WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Another Reset Button 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:06.520 The following. 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.560 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.320 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.320 Cowboys. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.880 This He's Talking Cowboys Straining live from. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.880 The Dallas Cowboys World head Boys at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:30.280 Touch On, take burners here, let's got kitson, Teddy Touchdown 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:36.920 and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.840 and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.400 It's sent off season edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.440 Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco, Texas. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.200 And the s w PC Studio. Welcome in, everybody. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.040 We've got the whole cast and crew ready for you 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.960 to rock today with Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Standback, 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.640 Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Welcome in 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:05.840 Cowboys Nation to the twenty twenty six NFL off season. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.480 As the twenty five campaign is in the books like 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.920 Stranger Things five and we are moving forward with this 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.200 Cowboys organization. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:17.119 I like those words. 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.120 You like those words? Why don't you you? I thought 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:22.920 you were going to say I don't like those words. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.080 We're moving on, yeah, but we could be in the playoffs. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.600 We could be in the playoffs, Kyle trapped in the 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.920 upside down at a moment, I'm being controlled by back 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.480 at the moment. Right at the moment, however, I think 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.720 they might have gotten the mind flair out of here. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:43.480 Oh is that correct? I mean I hate comparing that 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.440 to the mind fire. Let me be very clear. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.200 He was never that powerful one and two. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.280 So would you call him? Was it just a dema gorgan? 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.080 Yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, I'm I'm he is a 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.080 little bit worse than gog Yeah he was. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.600 He was a little bit more performance while I don't 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:01.920 want to. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.360 A little less effective, but not by much. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.840 Okay, So that leads us right into the breaking news 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:13.040 breaking First of all, for once, Cowboys. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:13.799 Didn't happened before the show. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.359 Cowboys delivered some breaking news before Talking Cowboys got what happened. Yeah, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:19.680 so Matt eber Flus was fired. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:22.160 I thought that was a rumor. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:23.960 Period, since. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.480 You've checked on Dallas Cowboys dot com. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.120 Exactly, or even just checked your push notifications that my 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.800 good friend Josh here sent out after the breaking news, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.680 are you didn't put good? You got to turn your notifications. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:38.280 On, bro. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.120 I'm not a big notifications guy. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.640 So yeah, Cowboys took all of two days following their 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:51.160 disappointing seven ninety one finish, which included another embarrassing defensive 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:52.639 outing against the Giants, to get. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.040 I thought it was gonna take ten to twelve days. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.600 The review every It was never going to take ten 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:56.720 to twelve days. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.240 To that days until they find a new defensive coordinator. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.919 Maybe you had about eighteen weeks to figure that one out. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.560 But no, he's saying that because I saw that kind 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.959 of circulating on Twitter, and I tried to debunk it 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.400 yesterday because a couple of followers were like, hey, no Ce, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:10.800 can you know is this timeline? 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:12.400 Trull was like, that's not a thing. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.200 Coach. The coach did say it's gonna take about ten 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:16.000 twelve days reviews. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.560 That was never a thing. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.000 Yeah, that was they were trying to get through their 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.400 exit interviews with players, and then once they got through 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.640 the exit interviews with players yesterday, they were going to 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.800 immediately turn their eyes towards the coaching staff to start 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.760 making decisions, and obviously the most prominent decision needed to 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.360 be made was on Matt Ebraflus. Hence the news landing 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.440 this morning that Matt Ebraflus is out and the coaching 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.240 search can begin, but they're not quite done, I'm told. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.680 So when you heard Jerry Jones saying things like, you know, 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.080 the defensive failings were quote unquote not all on Eberflus, 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.640 that was a glaring implication that he's going to review 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.640 the entirety of the defensive coaching staff to see who 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.520 stays and who goes. What will be interesting is the 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.800 timeline in which those decisions are made, Because now I'm 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.320 gonna go to my analyst hat. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:05.600 So that's the news portion of it. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.600 My analyst hat is as you're sifting through some of 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.560 these front runners for potential replacements from Matt Eberflus, I'm 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.760 curious how the Cowboys choose to handle it. Do you 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.760 go ahead and clean house on the defensive side of 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.200 the so that you can look at the new defensive 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.680 coordinator or these candidates and say you can come in 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.480 and build completely as Eberflues did. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.760 Or Edgy to keep on or Edgy keep on, I'm 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:30.840 come on with it. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.040 You want me to go ahead and say what I 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.880 want to say and say what some of the person 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:34.640 that I would like for you? 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.719 Yes, it along the defensive line, buddy. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.440 I would like for you to retain a Whitecotton. Yeah, okay, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.760 well on the same page, gotcha. So outside of that, 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.840 when I say clean house, it doesn't necessarily mean throwing 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.560 the baby out with the bath water. And I think 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.480 firing Aaron Whitecotton would be throwing the baby out with 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.200 the bath water. But we've talked about it on several 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.200 occasions here on the show. There are other position coaches 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.960 that absolutely have to be a part of that discussion. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.320 We talk about the lack of development with the linebacker corps, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.320 for example. We know that the cornerbacks were ravaged by injury, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.400 however there was still lack of development there ready, Stewart notwithstanding, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.960 So their position coaches on the defensive side of the 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.320 ball that are going to be under heavy scrutiny over 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:13.599 these next several days. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.080 And your most valuable acquisition that you picked up on 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.839 your roster this year plays well position defensive tackle. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:19.320 Yes, got you? 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.919 And he might say mainly, but I would say a 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.960 big reason why you sought him after that, after him was. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.360 Because of who Aaron? 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.120 Yeah, as is the James Houston acquisition right as was 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.680 you know, pushing well. Once they decided they were going 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.839 to trade Micah trying to include initially trying to include 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.320 Quentin Williams, because that was the initial try for Michael Parsons. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.279 They called the Jets and yeah, we wanted Quentin Williams, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.320 who was seening Michael Parsons at the time. The Jets 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.839 were like, no, it's not going to happen. So Kenny 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.880 Clark comes here. And then, fortuitous as it might turn out, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.480 the Jets were open for season open season, I should say, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.040 for Quentinn Williams and the Cowboys midseason, so it worked 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:58.960 out in Cowboys. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.080 Favorite yeah, or tuitous to David Clowning also, so yeah, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.560 I'm two, wow, Wow, that's. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.600 Very nicely done. Bar that might be the best hun 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:10.719 we've had all year. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:15.600 And it's crazy, all twenty twenty six, all of it. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.720 Kyle had to get it well done, dude. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.840 So Matt Eberflus is out and everyone else is under. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.240 It's going to do it for us here on top. Yeah, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:25.679 joined us today. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.080 It's downhill from there. 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.760 So yeah, fourth defensive coordinator on the way in as 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:31.400 many seasons. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.520 That's crazy to me to think about, and I think 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.080 it was the right decision. We had this conversation before 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.039 the adjustments that you anticipated from a guy like Matt Eberflus, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.200 who has been around the league, who has skins on 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:48.159 the wall, who has obviously had a reputation around the NFL. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.840 You anticipate some level of adjustment as the season goes on. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.400 That's where I feel like he faltered absolutely, because we've 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.360 talked about the personnel. The personnel is not good. And 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.120 if you're sitting at home as a cow and you're 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.400 watching this defense and you think this personnel is good 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.760 enough that just with one defensive coordinator and a new staff, 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.200 they're gonna be up and ready to go for twenty 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.520 twenty six, you got another thing coming because they got 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.120 to make some significant changes in the personnel element as well. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:20.240 But the one thing from Matt Eberflus's standpoint is when. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.280 He came in, saw what he had in training camp, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.040 thought he would have a guy named Micah Parsons outside, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.040 and then said, don't worry, we're gonna move on from 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.080 Micah Parsons, but I can scheme up pressure. And then 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.880 through seventeen games of NFL football, you failed to scheme 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.840 up pressure for the most part. I know there were 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.679 a couple games where they had pressure, but you failed 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:45.120 to scheme up pressure. The secondary faltered because of it, 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.480 the linebackers faltered because of it. Your defensive tackles. You 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.400 traded for two dogs on the inside, and you arguably 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.240 have two defensive tackles that would be in the top 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.160 ten or fifteen at the position in the NFL. That 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.000 was the one strength of your defense, but you still 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.440 couldn't adjust to make any sort of leeway. That's my 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.160 lasting influence or impression of what Matt Aberflus was here 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.680 on this Cowboys roster, because I think Ibraflues is a 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.720 great person. I think he's a good man. I think 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.440 he's a solid coach. But a coach needs to make adjustments, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.280 and in twenty twenty five he did not do that. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.320 And the lack of adjustments extends to the fact that 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:28.800 he was too rigid in scheme over personnel. So he's 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.240 very clearly a guy that says my scheme, my scheme, 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.080 my scheme, doesn't matter what the personnel is. That doesn't 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.520 work at the NFL level. And I said this to 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.440 Tom Yards before the show. I said, this might be 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.480 a situation where he needs to take his talents to 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.680 the collegiate ranks where you can recruit for your scheme, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.480 but you have to be able at the NFL level 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.960 to go into a situation and say, this is who 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.280 you got, this is what I'm going to do based 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:53.080 on who you got. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.719 And this is the cards of Dealton. This is the 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.440 scheme that is going in the best suit that personnel. 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.520 There's a great tweet by Nick Heir when he was 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.320 speaking to Dante Fowler yesterday about Eberflus in the scheme, 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.800 and I really like this quote from Dante Fowler. We 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.400 got the guys, we just need to put them in 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.839 the best position to make plays. That's it. I don't 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.200 care how good you think your scheme is. You just 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.120 got to evolve around your players, take your players' opinions 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.800 on some things, and try to put your players in 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.040 the best position to make plays. 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.240 Wow, that's from Zante. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.640 It's almost like some guys have been saying that. 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.760 But I still don't think we have the guys though. Yeah. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.080 And I think he was dealt a bad hand in 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.280 all of this too, because he expected to have Michael 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.800 Parsons on his team, and granted that didn't happen. The 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:42.280 decision was made unanimously. They said, So, I mean, that's 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.640 that's what was reported, that's what they said, So I'll 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:50.000 leave it there. But obviously that's going to hinder what 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.240 you're able to do as far as pressure goes, as 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.640 far as scheming of pressure goes, when you don't have 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.280 an all pro pass rusher like Michael Parsons. And granted 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.880 I think it ultimately it's going to be for the 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.680 because of the players that you're going to get. Me, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.160 Like we talked about, you get two ones, Quinn Williams 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.400 and Kenny Clark. I think that's an excellent trade in 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.679 my opinion, but it's. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.920 Well, now it would be one to one Kenny Clark 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:14.520 and Quinn one. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.560 That's true, But still that's three guys that you would 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:21.400 argue are going to make a magnificent impact on your defense. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:21.679 For years to come. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.640 And it's not all going to one player. You can 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.920 spread it around a little bit, which I think ultimately 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.079 is going to be fortuitous for us. But you have 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.040 to have the right scheme like we're talking about, and 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:32.960 you have to put your players in the best position. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.440 We talked about safety that position all year long and 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.000 how they were not set up for success the entire 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.199 year when you look at the players that these guys 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.040 are and literally putting them out of position all year long. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:46.720 That is the problem for me. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.960 Yeah, cool, Isaiah is not going to fly here today. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.880 Sir, I listen, I've spoken on this while. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.000 Yeah, what have we not said about this? 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.600 I mentioned it early in the season that they don't 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:02.720 have the guys that Matt Eberflus's scheme. I mentioned that 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:11.920 what he was doing was the lack of adjusting to 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.040 the to the talent that you have on a roster. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.360 Mentioned that, we mentioned the lack of execution on basic 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.400 schemes that he was trying to initiate because of the 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.679 guys on the field just weren't able to do it. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.240 Simple stuff. So that was not all Eberflus. This is 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.640 not all Eberfools. This Eberflus is responsible because it's his unit. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.480 This is not all Eberflus. To the point that we're 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.120 talking about, there will be there will be roster changes, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:46.280 and you have to adapt your roster to the scheme 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.720 that your coordinator is bringing in. I don't care who 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.160 you are. I mentioned it early on. These are dan 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:58.720 Quinn guys in a Matt Eberflus system. Doesn't work that way. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.200 You can't ask safety just because by position they're supposed 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.360 to possess certain capabilities. You can't ask them to do 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.400 things that traditional safeties would do if that's not what 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.680 they can, if that's not in their in their in 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.400 their wheelhouse. You didn't have corners that feel comfortable playing 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.840 a lot of his own. You have press man corners. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.920 You're asking them to play soft now, Yeah, can they 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:22.200 do it? 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:22.520 Yeah? 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.120 Are they gonna do it to the level that they 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:28.000 need to know? You didn't have pass rushers, you know, 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.520 you had two gap guys. These are all things that 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:36.160 were indicative of not working for that scheme. So, I mean, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.000 it's not an all fluse thing. It's unfortunate that he 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.440 is no longer with the Cowboys. He's a great human being, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.120 great father, all those things, great person, but it was 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:52.200 a combination of lack of adapta adaptation by him and 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.400 a lack of execution by the players, and ultimately it 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.920 resulting in him not no longer to be in here, 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.720 and that sucks, right, But we all saw it coming 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.680 and we knew that they needed to be changed. But 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.520 this organization call a spade a spade, This organization has 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.680 not done what they've needed to do in terms of 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.679 being aggressive enough at the coaching ranks to get the 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.200 guy that they need to get in here and change things. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:20.319 They have been. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.040 Throwing stuff against the wall and hoping that it sticks. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:29.240 I repeat, there is no salary caps on coaches, No 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:35.400 salaries caps on coaches. Go get somebody that you know 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.439 what the heck they are, and that when that person 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.120 steps and as soon as that person's name is mentioned, 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.920 there are going to be players that say, ooh, either 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.839 I can get with that or I ain't getting with 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.360 that at all, because I know all that's required to 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.240 go play for that person. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:54.000 Listen in or out. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.760 And there is only a handful of names that you 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.199 could mention that are those type of guys. I've said 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.360 it before. You guys know who I've sitt on the 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.640 table before stating that I would like Outside of that individual, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.640 everybody else that you would mentioned that is in that 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.920 realm is most likely up for a head coaching position. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.800 They're not gonna make an adjacent move. They're not gonna 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.640 come over here because because you're the Cowboys and you 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.400 have the star, you're either gonna get that guy or 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.840 you're gonna settle for somebody else that you are hopeful 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.160 can execute what it is. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:28.240 That you're hoping to get done. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:29.360 On defense, there. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.680 Are three things I want to mention with the last 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.440 three head coach or a defensive coordinator hires. They were 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:40.240 all guys with established track records as defensive coordinators. Yep, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:45.119 dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer, Matt Eberflus track records as defensive coordinators, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.760 went to become a head coach, had limited success, but 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.280 for the most part failed, especially with Matti Eberflu's he 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.720 never really had any limited success. Zimmer had some limited success. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.560 Of course, Quinn led the Falcons to a Super Bowl 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.720 and lost in that eight to three game. Both all 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.800 three of those guys had that they brought them back 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.840 on the back half of being a head coach returning 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.680 to be a defensive coordinator. One of them worked out 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.720 dan Quinn, two of them did not. So I would 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.800 argue they've gone with people that they feel like they 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.760 do know about, but there's been a buffer in between. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.160 They've felt like, Oh, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer, and Matt 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.320 Eberflus have all been successful as defensive coordinators enough to 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.560 be hired by another NFL organization. Because of that, they 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.920 felt like they said, oh right, they're going to be 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.920 successful as a defensive coordinator now in this league. So 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.760 my question to you becomes, when you're talking about a 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.040 sure thing, does it have to be a current defensive 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.720 coordinator that's had success or is it going to be 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.240 another guy who was once a head coach and has 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.240 had a buffer in between his time of being a 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.840 coordinator in this league. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.160 Let me backpedal a little bit. Dan Quinn had a 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.800 lot of success here as a defensive coordinator. Dan Quinn 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.160 became an head coach once again because of the success 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.560 that he had here. Absolutely, coordinator dan Quinn's defense would 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.960 have been dang near perfect had he had the personnel 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:15.480 he needed on. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:16.080 The defensive line. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:20.520 Absolutely, So that was a personnel thing. Yes, no questions 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:21.280 there are. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.360 He left here because he took a better opportunity, a 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:25.760 head coaching head coaching job. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.680 Since then, no, since then, no, since then? You you 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:31.920 took you. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.640 Got Zimmer, and you got Zimmer who hadn't coached in 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.760 a minute, and you had Zimmer who had something that 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.600 he was known for that wasn't very revolutionary. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.280 But it's like, okay, you know this is what he is. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.160 He is a He's an older version of. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:52.240 Brian Flores, right that scheme, Then you bring in Eberflus. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.920 Eberflus is legitimately came off the heels of getting fired, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.200 and you're like, as a head coach. As a head coach, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.680 you know, his defenses were considered to be solid, right, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.639 and the offense was always the issue out there for him, 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.000 So you brought him in thinking that he was going 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:06.919 to be the solution. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:08.040 The only thing with. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.280 Ebra Flus is ebra Flus didn't have an or about him. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.919 I mentioned that to you guys when I went out 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.639 there to do some off season stuff for voting. I 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.320 was like, I stepped in the room. Now you were 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.280 not He did not command the room. That was just 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.479 for the half hour that I was in the in 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.240 that space, I was like, probably a great dude. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.720 Doesn't command the room. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.160 So bringing him in as a defensive coordinator, I mentioned, 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.040 I was like, I don't see how that's gonna work. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.000 Hopefully it works, but I saw him in front of 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.440 a bunch of men and a bunch of all those 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.520 other guys looked at him like eh, So I. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.399 Didn't see it really working out. I didn't think it 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:40.160 was gonna be this bad. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.040 But the person I'm talking about, You guys know this, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.320 right Rex, Ryan, we can talk about this and I'm 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.479 gonna get laughed at all kinds of stuff. No, there 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.879 are no other I hear you. There are no other names. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.800 I don't care who you mentioned. You could say the 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.080 guy that we can't say right now because he's still 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.520 in a contract. He'll be a head coach. I'll tell 0:17:59.600 --> 0:17:59.960 you that right now. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:01.240 He will be a head coach. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.919 Somebody's gonna get most likely in Las Vegas. 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:04.639 He'll be a head coach in Las Vegas. I'll say 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:05.120 that right now. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.359 So that's a no. Also, there's no for other reasons 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.080 why he would never come here. There is nobody else 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.680 that you guys can bring up to me that you'd 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.560 be like, ooh, I know exactly what he stands for. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.399 I know exactly the type of players that you have 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.800 to be to play for that guy. You either get 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.399 with it or you get gone. Type of guys. Everybody 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.320 else that you would mention would probably be like, yeah, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.520 you know, I mean, don't don't work with what you have, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.639 you know, like they'll make it happen. No, No, no, I 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.439 want somebody's Like, when that person's name is mentioned, you're like, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.920 oh crap, okap okay, Yeah, I know this person's either 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.480 aggressive or this person has this style of play whatever 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.840 it is. Like, you know what the identity of their 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.760 of their scheme is before you even step in the room, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.560 before you even looked at the roster. You know what 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.400 you have to be in order to play for this individual. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:58.360 Please Okay, So capslock hell no on rix run. And 0:18:58.400 --> 0:18:59.560 for reasons that I've said. 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.720 Before, you you don't get grace from me after because 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.639 what are you talking about, right, You're saying, you know, 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.639 like a buffer has existed. Yeah, what buffer is is 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.800 thicker than a ten year hiatus from coaching. 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.360 Like you just criticize Mike Zimmer. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.000 Exactly my point. So sometimes let me continue. I was 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.800 never impressed by him, That's that's fine. The fact of 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:26.119 the matter is ten years going does not imply to 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.040 me that you can hit the ground running in four 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.359