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Speaker 3: Cowboys Nation to the twenty twenty six NFL off season.
Speaker 3: As the twenty five campaign is in the books like
Speaker 3: Stranger Things five and we are moving forward with this
Speaker 3: Cowboys organization.
Speaker 1: I like those words.
Speaker 4: You like those words? Why don't you you? I thought
Speaker 4: you were going to say I don't like those words.
Speaker 4: We're moving on, yeah, but we could be in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: We could be in the playoffs, Kyle trapped in the
Speaker 5: upside down at a moment, I'm being controlled by back
Speaker 5: at the moment. Right at the moment, however, I think
Speaker 5: they might have gotten the mind flair out of here.
Speaker 3: Oh is that correct? I mean I hate comparing that
Speaker 3: to the mind fire. Let me be very clear.
Speaker 4: He was never that powerful one and two.
Speaker 1: So would you call him? Was it just a dema gorgan?
Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, I'm I'm he is a
Speaker 4: little bit worse than gog Yeah he was.
Speaker 6: He was a little bit more performance while I don't
Speaker 6: want to.
Speaker 4: A little less effective, but not by much.
Speaker 5: Okay, So that leads us right into the breaking news
Speaker 5: breaking First of all, for once, Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Didn't happened before the show.
Speaker 5: Cowboys delivered some breaking news before Talking Cowboys got what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so Matt eber Flus was fired.
Speaker 7: I thought that was a rumor.
Speaker 1: Period, since.
Speaker 6: You've checked on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 5: Exactly, or even just checked your push notifications that my
Speaker 5: good friend Josh here sent out after the breaking news,
Speaker 5: are you didn't put good? You got to turn your notifications.
Speaker 1: On, bro.
Speaker 8: I'm not a big notifications guy.
Speaker 5: So yeah, Cowboys took all of two days following their
Speaker 5: disappointing seven ninety one finish, which included another embarrassing defensive
Speaker 5: outing against the Giants, to get.
Speaker 7: I thought it was gonna take ten to twelve days.
Speaker 1: The review every It was never going to take ten
Speaker 1: to twelve days.
Speaker 4: To that days until they find a new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 6: Maybe you had about eighteen weeks to figure that one out.
Speaker 5: But no, he's saying that because I saw that kind
Speaker 5: of circulating on Twitter, and I tried to debunk it
Speaker 5: yesterday because a couple of followers were like, hey, no Ce,
Speaker 5: can you know is this timeline?
Speaker 1: Trull was like, that's not a thing.
Speaker 7: Coach. The coach did say it's gonna take about ten
Speaker 7: twelve days reviews.
Speaker 1: That was never a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was they were trying to get through their
Speaker 5: exit interviews with players, and then once they got through
Speaker 5: the exit interviews with players yesterday, they were going to
Speaker 5: immediately turn their eyes towards the coaching staff to start
Speaker 5: making decisions, and obviously the most prominent decision needed to
Speaker 5: be made was on Matt Ebraflus. Hence the news landing
Speaker 5: this morning that Matt Ebraflus is out and the coaching
Speaker 5: search can begin, but they're not quite done, I'm told.
Speaker 5: So when you heard Jerry Jones saying things like, you know,
Speaker 5: the defensive failings were quote unquote not all on Eberflus,
Speaker 5: that was a glaring implication that he's going to review
Speaker 5: the entirety of the defensive coaching staff to see who
Speaker 5: stays and who goes. What will be interesting is the
Speaker 5: timeline in which those decisions are made, Because now I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go to my analyst hat.
Speaker 1: So that's the news portion of it.
Speaker 5: My analyst hat is as you're sifting through some of
Speaker 5: these front runners for potential replacements from Matt Eberflus, I'm
Speaker 5: curious how the Cowboys choose to handle it. Do you
Speaker 5: go ahead and clean house on the defensive side of
Speaker 5: the so that you can look at the new defensive
Speaker 5: coordinator or these candidates and say you can come in
Speaker 5: and build completely as Eberflues did.
Speaker 1: Or Edgy to keep on or Edgy keep on, I'm
Speaker 1: come on with it.
Speaker 7: You want me to go ahead and say what I
Speaker 7: want to say and say what some of the person
Speaker 7: that I would like for you?
Speaker 6: Yes, it along the defensive line, buddy.
Speaker 5: I would like for you to retain a Whitecotton. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: well on the same page, gotcha. So outside of that,
Speaker 5: when I say clean house, it doesn't necessarily mean throwing
Speaker 5: the baby out with the bath water. And I think
Speaker 5: firing Aaron Whitecotton would be throwing the baby out with
Speaker 5: the bath water. But we've talked about it on several
Speaker 5: occasions here on the show. There are other position coaches
Speaker 5: that absolutely have to be a part of that discussion.
Speaker 5: We talk about the lack of development with the linebacker corps,
Speaker 5: for example. We know that the cornerbacks were ravaged by injury,
Speaker 5: however there was still lack of development there ready, Stewart notwithstanding,
Speaker 5: So their position coaches on the defensive side of the
Speaker 5: ball that are going to be under heavy scrutiny over
Speaker 5: these next several days.
Speaker 8: And your most valuable acquisition that you picked up on
Speaker 8: your roster this year plays well position defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Yes, got you?
Speaker 8: And he might say mainly, but I would say a
Speaker 8: big reason why you sought him after that, after him was.
Speaker 1: Because of who Aaron?
Speaker 5: Yeah, as is the James Houston acquisition right as was
Speaker 5: you know, pushing well. Once they decided they were going
Speaker 5: to trade Micah trying to include initially trying to include
Speaker 5: Quentin Williams, because that was the initial try for Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5: They called the Jets and yeah, we wanted Quentin Williams,
Speaker 5: who was seening Michael Parsons at the time. The Jets
Speaker 5: were like, no, it's not going to happen. So Kenny
Speaker 5: Clark comes here. And then, fortuitous as it might turn out,
Speaker 5: the Jets were open for season open season, I should say,
Speaker 5: for Quentinn Williams and the Cowboys midseason, so it worked
Speaker 5: out in Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Favorite yeah, or tuitous to David Clowning also, so yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm two, wow, Wow, that's.
Speaker 4: Very nicely done. Bar that might be the best hun
Speaker 4: we've had all year.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy, all twenty twenty six, all of it.
Speaker 4: Kyle had to get it well done, dude.
Speaker 1: So Matt Eberflus is out and everyone else is under.
Speaker 4: It's going to do it for us here on top. Yeah,
Speaker 4: joined us today.
Speaker 1: It's downhill from there.
Speaker 5: So yeah, fourth defensive coordinator on the way in as
Speaker 5: many seasons.
Speaker 3: That's crazy to me to think about, and I think
Speaker 3: it was the right decision. We had this conversation before
Speaker 3: the adjustments that you anticipated from a guy like Matt Eberflus,
Speaker 3: who has been around the league, who has skins on
Speaker 3: the wall, who has obviously had a reputation around the NFL.
Speaker 3: You anticipate some level of adjustment as the season goes on.
Speaker 3: That's where I feel like he faltered absolutely, because we've
Speaker 3: talked about the personnel. The personnel is not good. And
Speaker 3: if you're sitting at home as a cow and you're
Speaker 3: watching this defense and you think this personnel is good
Speaker 3: enough that just with one defensive coordinator and a new staff,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be up and ready to go for twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six, you got another thing coming because they got
Speaker 3: to make some significant changes in the personnel element as well.
Speaker 4: But the one thing from Matt Eberflus's standpoint is when.
Speaker 3: He came in, saw what he had in training camp,
Speaker 3: thought he would have a guy named Micah Parsons outside,
Speaker 3: and then said, don't worry, we're gonna move on from
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons, but I can scheme up pressure. And then
Speaker 3: through seventeen games of NFL football, you failed to scheme
Speaker 3: up pressure for the most part. I know there were
Speaker 3: a couple games where they had pressure, but you failed
Speaker 3: to scheme up pressure. The secondary faltered because of it,
Speaker 3: the linebackers faltered because of it. Your defensive tackles. You
Speaker 3: traded for two dogs on the inside, and you arguably
Speaker 3: have two defensive tackles that would be in the top
Speaker 3: ten or fifteen at the position in the NFL. That
Speaker 3: was the one strength of your defense, but you still
Speaker 3: couldn't adjust to make any sort of leeway. That's my
Speaker 3: lasting influence or impression of what Matt Aberflus was here
Speaker 3: on this Cowboys roster, because I think Ibraflues is a
Speaker 3: great person. I think he's a good man. I think
Speaker 3: he's a solid coach. But a coach needs to make adjustments,
Speaker 3: and in twenty twenty five he did not do that.
Speaker 5: And the lack of adjustments extends to the fact that
Speaker 5: he was too rigid in scheme over personnel. So he's
Speaker 5: very clearly a guy that says my scheme, my scheme,
Speaker 5: my scheme, doesn't matter what the personnel is. That doesn't
Speaker 5: work at the NFL level. And I said this to
Speaker 5: Tom Yards before the show. I said, this might be
Speaker 5: a situation where he needs to take his talents to
Speaker 5: the collegiate ranks where you can recruit for your scheme,
Speaker 5: but you have to be able at the NFL level
Speaker 5: to go into a situation and say, this is who
Speaker 5: you got, this is what I'm going to do based
Speaker 5: on who you got.
Speaker 6: And this is the cards of Dealton. This is the
Speaker 6: scheme that is going in the best suit that personnel.
Speaker 6: There's a great tweet by Nick Heir when he was
Speaker 6: speaking to Dante Fowler yesterday about Eberflus in the scheme,
Speaker 6: and I really like this quote from Dante Fowler. We
Speaker 6: got the guys, we just need to put them in
Speaker 6: the best position to make plays. That's it. I don't
Speaker 6: care how good you think your scheme is. You just
Speaker 6: got to evolve around your players, take your players' opinions
Speaker 6: on some things, and try to put your players in
Speaker 6: the best position to make plays.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's from Zante.
Speaker 1: It's almost like some guys have been saying that.
Speaker 4: But I still don't think we have the guys though. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I think he was dealt a bad hand in
Speaker 6: all of this too, because he expected to have Michael
Speaker 6: Parsons on his team, and granted that didn't happen. The
Speaker 6: decision was made unanimously. They said, So, I mean, that's
Speaker 6: that's what was reported, that's what they said, So I'll
Speaker 6: leave it there. But obviously that's going to hinder what
Speaker 6: you're able to do as far as pressure goes, as
Speaker 6: far as scheming of pressure goes, when you don't have
Speaker 6: an all pro pass rusher like Michael Parsons. And granted
Speaker 6: I think it ultimately it's going to be for the
Speaker 6: because of the players that you're going to get. Me,
Speaker 6: Like we talked about, you get two ones, Quinn Williams
Speaker 6: and Kenny Clark. I think that's an excellent trade in
Speaker 6: my opinion, but it's.
Speaker 4: Well, now it would be one to one Kenny Clark
Speaker 4: and Quinn one.
Speaker 3: That's true, But still that's three guys that you would
Speaker 3: argue are going to make a magnificent impact on your defense.
Speaker 1: For years to come.
Speaker 6: And it's not all going to one player. You can
Speaker 6: spread it around a little bit, which I think ultimately
Speaker 6: is going to be fortuitous for us. But you have
Speaker 6: to have the right scheme like we're talking about, and
Speaker 6: you have to put your players in the best position.
Speaker 6: We talked about safety that position all year long and
Speaker 6: how they were not set up for success the entire
Speaker 6: year when you look at the players that these guys
Speaker 6: are and literally putting them out of position all year long.
Speaker 6: That is the problem for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, Isaiah is not going to fly here today.
Speaker 7: Sir, I listen, I've spoken on this while.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what have we not said about this?
Speaker 8: I mentioned it early in the season that they don't
Speaker 8: have the guys that Matt Eberflus's scheme. I mentioned that
Speaker 8: what he was doing was the lack of adjusting to
Speaker 8: the to the talent that you have on a roster.
Speaker 8: Mentioned that, we mentioned the lack of execution on basic
Speaker 8: schemes that he was trying to initiate because of the
Speaker 8: guys on the field just weren't able to do it.
Speaker 8: Simple stuff. So that was not all Eberflus. This is
Speaker 8: not all Eberfools. This Eberflus is responsible because it's his unit.
Speaker 8: This is not all Eberflus. To the point that we're
Speaker 8: talking about, there will be there will be roster changes,
Speaker 8: and you have to adapt your roster to the scheme
Speaker 8: that your coordinator is bringing in. I don't care who
Speaker 8: you are. I mentioned it early on. These are dan
Speaker 8: Quinn guys in a Matt Eberflus system. Doesn't work that way.
Speaker 8: You can't ask safety just because by position they're supposed
Speaker 8: to possess certain capabilities. You can't ask them to do
Speaker 8: things that traditional safeties would do if that's not what
Speaker 8: they can, if that's not in their in their in
Speaker 8: their wheelhouse. You didn't have corners that feel comfortable playing
Speaker 8: a lot of his own. You have press man corners.
Speaker 8: You're asking them to play soft now, Yeah, can they
Speaker 8: do it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Are they gonna do it to the level that they
Speaker 8: need to know? You didn't have pass rushers, you know,
Speaker 8: you had two gap guys. These are all things that
Speaker 8: were indicative of not working for that scheme. So, I mean,
Speaker 8: it's not an all fluse thing. It's unfortunate that he
Speaker 8: is no longer with the Cowboys. He's a great human being,
Speaker 8: great father, all those things, great person, but it was
Speaker 8: a combination of lack of adapta adaptation by him and
Speaker 8: a lack of execution by the players, and ultimately it
Speaker 8: resulting in him not no longer to be in here,
Speaker 8: and that sucks, right, But we all saw it coming
Speaker 8: and we knew that they needed to be changed. But
Speaker 8: this organization call a spade a spade, This organization has
Speaker 8: not done what they've needed to do in terms of
Speaker 8: being aggressive enough at the coaching ranks to get the
Speaker 8: guy that they need to get in here and change things.
Speaker 7: They have been.
Speaker 8: Throwing stuff against the wall and hoping that it sticks.
Speaker 8: I repeat, there is no salary caps on coaches, No
Speaker 8: salaries caps on coaches. Go get somebody that you know
Speaker 8: what the heck they are, and that when that person
Speaker 8: steps and as soon as that person's name is mentioned,
Speaker 8: there are going to be players that say, ooh, either
Speaker 8: I can get with that or I ain't getting with
Speaker 8: that at all, because I know all that's required to
Speaker 8: go play for that person.
Speaker 7: Listen in or out.
Speaker 8: And there is only a handful of names that you
Speaker 8: could mention that are those type of guys. I've said
Speaker 8: it before. You guys know who I've sitt on the
Speaker 8: table before stating that I would like Outside of that individual,
Speaker 8: everybody else that you would mentioned that is in that
Speaker 8: realm is most likely up for a head coaching position.
Speaker 8: They're not gonna make an adjacent move. They're not gonna
Speaker 8: come over here because because you're the Cowboys and you
Speaker 8: have the star, you're either gonna get that guy or
Speaker 8: you're gonna settle for somebody else that you are hopeful
Speaker 8: can execute what it is.
Speaker 7: That you're hoping to get done.
Speaker 1: On defense, there.
Speaker 3: Are three things I want to mention with the last
Speaker 3: three head coach or a defensive coordinator hires. They were
Speaker 3: all guys with established track records as defensive coordinators. Yep,
Speaker 3: dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer, Matt Eberflus track records as defensive coordinators,
Speaker 3: went to become a head coach, had limited success, but
Speaker 3: for the most part failed, especially with Matti Eberflu's he
Speaker 3: never really had any limited success. Zimmer had some limited success.
Speaker 3: Of course, Quinn led the Falcons to a Super Bowl
Speaker 3: and lost in that eight to three game. Both all
Speaker 3: three of those guys had that they brought them back
Speaker 3: on the back half of being a head coach returning
Speaker 3: to be a defensive coordinator. One of them worked out
Speaker 3: dan Quinn, two of them did not. So I would
Speaker 3: argue they've gone with people that they feel like they
Speaker 3: do know about, but there's been a buffer in between.
Speaker 3: They've felt like, Oh, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer, and Matt
Speaker 3: Eberflus have all been successful as defensive coordinators enough to
Speaker 3: be hired by another NFL organization. Because of that, they
Speaker 3: felt like they said, oh right, they're going to be
Speaker 3: successful as a defensive coordinator now in this league. So
Speaker 3: my question to you becomes, when you're talking about a
Speaker 3: sure thing, does it have to be a current defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator that's had success or is it going to be
Speaker 3: another guy who was once a head coach and has
Speaker 3: had a buffer in between his time of being a
Speaker 3: coordinator in this league.
Speaker 8: Let me backpedal a little bit. Dan Quinn had a
Speaker 8: lot of success here as a defensive coordinator. Dan Quinn
Speaker 8: became an head coach once again because of the success
Speaker 8: that he had here. Absolutely, coordinator dan Quinn's defense would
Speaker 8: have been dang near perfect had he had the personnel
Speaker 8: he needed on.
Speaker 1: The defensive line.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, So that was a personnel thing. Yes, no questions
Speaker 7: there are.
Speaker 8: He left here because he took a better opportunity, a
Speaker 8: head coaching head coaching job.
Speaker 7: Since then, no, since then, no, since then? You you
Speaker 7: took you.
Speaker 8: Got Zimmer, and you got Zimmer who hadn't coached in
Speaker 8: a minute, and you had Zimmer who had something that
Speaker 8: he was known for that wasn't very revolutionary.
Speaker 7: But it's like, okay, you know this is what he is.
Speaker 7: He is a He's an older version of.
Speaker 8: Brian Flores, right that scheme, Then you bring in Eberflus.
Speaker 8: Eberflus is legitimately came off the heels of getting fired,
Speaker 8: and you're like, as a head coach. As a head coach,
Speaker 8: you know, his defenses were considered to be solid, right,
Speaker 8: and the offense was always the issue out there for him,
Speaker 8: So you brought him in thinking that he was going
Speaker 8: to be the solution.
Speaker 7: The only thing with.
Speaker 8: Ebra Flus is ebra Flus didn't have an or about him.
Speaker 8: I mentioned that to you guys when I went out
Speaker 8: there to do some off season stuff for voting. I
Speaker 8: was like, I stepped in the room. Now you were
Speaker 8: not He did not command the room. That was just
Speaker 8: for the half hour that I was in the in
Speaker 8: that space, I was like, probably a great dude.
Speaker 7: Doesn't command the room.
Speaker 8: So bringing him in as a defensive coordinator, I mentioned,
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't see how that's gonna work.
Speaker 8: Hopefully it works, but I saw him in front of
Speaker 8: a bunch of men and a bunch of all those
Speaker 8: other guys looked at him like eh, So I.
Speaker 7: Didn't see it really working out. I didn't think it
Speaker 7: was gonna be this bad.
Speaker 8: But the person I'm talking about, You guys know this,
Speaker 8: right Rex, Ryan, we can talk about this and I'm
Speaker 8: gonna get laughed at all kinds of stuff. No, there
Speaker 8: are no other I hear you. There are no other names.
Speaker 8: I don't care who you mentioned. You could say the
Speaker 8: guy that we can't say right now because he's still
Speaker 8: in a contract. He'll be a head coach. I'll tell
Speaker 8: you that right now.
Speaker 7: He will be a head coach.
Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna get most likely in Las Vegas.
Speaker 7: He'll be a head coach in Las Vegas. I'll say
Speaker 7: that right now.
Speaker 8: So that's a no. Also, there's no for other reasons
Speaker 8: why he would never come here. There is nobody else
Speaker 8: that you guys can bring up to me that you'd
Speaker 8: be like, ooh, I know exactly what he stands for.
Speaker 8: I know exactly the type of players that you have
Speaker 8: to be to play for that guy. You either get
Speaker 8: with it or you get gone. Type of guys. Everybody
Speaker 8: else that you would mention would probably be like, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, I mean, don't don't work with what you have,
Speaker 8: you know, like they'll make it happen. No, No, no, I
Speaker 8: want somebody's Like, when that person's name is mentioned, you're like,
Speaker 8: oh crap, okap okay, Yeah, I know this person's either
Speaker 8: aggressive or this person has this style of play whatever
Speaker 8: it is. Like, you know what the identity of their
Speaker 8: of their scheme is before you even step in the room,
Speaker 8: before you even looked at the roster. You know what
Speaker 8: you have to be in order to play for this individual.
Speaker 8: Please Okay, So capslock hell no on rix run. And
Speaker 8: for reasons that I've said.
Speaker 5: Before, you you don't get grace from me after because
Speaker 5: what are you talking about, right, You're saying, you know,
Speaker 5: like a buffer has existed. Yeah, what buffer is is
Speaker 5: thicker than a ten year hiatus from coaching.
Speaker 4: Like you just criticize Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 5: Exactly my point. So sometimes let me continue. I was
Speaker 5: never impressed by him, That's that's fine. The fact of
Speaker 5: the matter is ten years going does not imply to
Speaker 5: me that you can hit the ground running in four
Speaker 5: defensive coordinators in four years. You need someone who's going
Speaker 5: to come in and hit the ground running. You don't
Speaker 5: need something Oh well Rex Ryan needs two or three
Speaker 5: years to get it going at Nope, not going to
Speaker 5: cut it right, obviously obviously for four for four your
Speaker 5: Wendy's right, your value meal at Wendy's right now, not
Speaker 5: a s now granted my front runner. I can't say
Speaker 5: the name again of the Nordic variety, right, We'll just
Speaker 5: leave it there. I feel like Aura commands the room,
Speaker 5: but likely will go and get you know, promotion somewhere.
Speaker 5: Okay from there, because you rather you like what's behind
Speaker 5: that option or not. You got to discuss those options, right.
Speaker 5: There's a guy in one of the cities in Ohio.
Speaker 5: I can't say the name, but he commands a room Cleveland, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and it could be anywhere. He commands Miami, respect from
Speaker 5: his locker room. I think we can agree to that
Speaker 5: now to a lesser degree as far as having that
Speaker 5: doggish Aura a little bit more of a subdued Aura,
Speaker 5: but still gets buy in immediately. Jonathan Gannon, who also
Speaker 5: has we can say his name because he has been fired.
Speaker 5: Jonathan Gannon has familiarity with guess who Clayton Adams on
Speaker 5: the other side of the ball. Okay, he's also not
Speaker 5: of the old Guard Rex Ryan, old Guard, Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 5: old Guard Dan Quinn. Still effective, but old guard that
Speaker 5: even flews old guard. Here's Jonathan Gannon right there in
Speaker 5: that sweet spot of the Brian Schottenheimer, the Clayton Adams.
Speaker 3: That would make a lot of sense. So much he's
Speaker 3: had success in this division recently.
Speaker 5: Recently with whom the Philadelphia Eagles. Doesn't he have a
Speaker 5: ring on his finger because of that defense? I believe
Speaker 5: he does?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Was he there in twenty seventeen?
Speaker 1: Wasn't he hold on?
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have been last year.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been last year.
Speaker 5: Okay, fair enough, But he coached one of the best
Speaker 5: defenses in consistently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they took him to a Super Bowl he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm okay.
Speaker 5: So and in that space he that defense that he
Speaker 5: coached to being one of and often the best in
Speaker 5: the league.
Speaker 1: What did they have?
Speaker 5: They had dogs up front, right, they had Jordan Davis
Speaker 5: and they had Okay, So, now he's coming into a
Speaker 5: situation and we're just speaking to guy. It doesn't mean
Speaker 5: that he's going to be the guy, but this is
Speaker 5: me offering him as a candidate. Those pieces are already in
Speaker 5: place here, Quinny Williams, Kenny Clark, we can talk about
Speaker 5: Osa Salomon Thomas, he's here on the contract next year.
Speaker 5: Those pieces are in place. Jonathan Gannon knows how to
Speaker 5: get the edges where they need to be as far
Speaker 5: as talking to the front office personnel wise, because they're
Speaker 5: going to have to do some edgework. Dante Fowler free agent.
Speaker 5: Don't know that you should bring him back, bring Jadavon
Speaker 5: Clowney back, Sam Williams not so much. You see what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, you have to develop Israku go back linebackers.
Speaker 5: He knows how to coach linebackers. That's one of the
Speaker 5: best things they did in Philadelphia and still to this
Speaker 5: day doing Philadelphia linebackers. But it also goes to having
Speaker 5: the right personnel there to undevelop those guys. Right, So
Speaker 5: names like Jonathan Gannon are going to be front runners
Speaker 5: because I'm telling you right now, a guy like Clayton Adams,
Speaker 5: he's already on the phone with the Schottenheimer and Jerry
Speaker 5: and saying you should give this guy and look, bring
Speaker 5: him in for an interview. So I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 5: but I feel like it's time to move on from
Speaker 5: the old guard.
Speaker 3: You know what's really kind of funny just not to interrupt,
Speaker 3: but just to take a look back at Jonathan Gannon's
Speaker 3: list of coaching hirres and where he's been. He was
Speaker 3: in Minnesota from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen under Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 3: Right after that, he was hired as the defensive backs
Speaker 3: coach in twenty eighteen by the Indianapolis Colts under and
Speaker 3: then he goes to and is the defensive coordinator. Had
Speaker 3: success with Philadelphia for two years there. Yeah, listen, kind
Speaker 3: of funny that to look at it that way when.
Speaker 5: You see I'll put it this way really succinctly, when
Speaker 5: you see Jonathan Gannon get fired by the Cardinals and
Speaker 5: players start tweeting images of them hugging him, telling them
Speaker 5: how much sty'll miss him. If you show me a
Speaker 5: single Cowboys defensive player that tweets that type of image
Speaker 5: from Matty.
Speaker 4: Maybe Kenneth Murray, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get me stuck. Which you know what, which, no, no, which,
Speaker 1: kind of going to another.
Speaker 5: Point I was going to say that was also Matt
Speaker 5: Eberflus's undoing is inconsistency and accountability. I talked to so
Speaker 5: many players on the defensive side of the ball in
Speaker 5: the locker room day in, day out, who just could
Speaker 5: not understand why they were not getting the rightful shot
Speaker 5: at ascending on the depth chart. When you have guys
Speaker 5: like Jack Samborn who was struggling, Nneth Murray was struggling. Hell,
Speaker 5: we just watched the Giants game where Osa got bent
Speaker 5: for an all size penalty, and then not long thereaft
Speaker 5: Solomon Ton Solomon, Tom, I'm sorry, and then not long thereafter,
Speaker 5: Kenneth Murray with the bone headed late hit out of
Speaker 5: bounds doesn't get pulled and doesn't get pulled. The message
Speaker 5: that sends to the locker room is outrageous. So there
Speaker 5: was no buy in immediately, and then everything just started
Speaker 5: to unravel once they realized eber Flu's had his guys,
Speaker 5: regardless of how poorly his guys played.
Speaker 4: I want to continue this conversation.
Speaker 3: I want to hear your thoughts that I rudely interrupted
Speaker 3: a moment ago on the other side of the break.
Speaker 3: Once again, Maddieberflues fired as the defensive coordinator after one
Speaker 3: season here with the Cowboys. Taking a look at what
Speaker 3: could possibly be next for this Cowboys defense when we
Speaker 3: come back with more talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys. Matt Eberflues fired as the defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: in Dallas. Isaiah, we were talking in the previous segment
Speaker 3: about how you can have stop and stop it, how
Speaker 3: you can find a guy worth replacing, because based on
Speaker 3: your initial reaction, and I don't disagree with you, by
Speaker 3: the way, I'm on the same page as you are.
Speaker 3: If you don't go get a guy, a proven commodity,
Speaker 3: somebody that you can bring in here and trust that
Speaker 3: despite having a lack of talent on your defense, which
Speaker 3: is fair right now, you have some high end guys
Speaker 3: and then you've got a bunch.
Speaker 7: Of nobody's on defense.
Speaker 4: Let's call a spade as bay.
Speaker 3: They've got to be welcome to doing something with that.
Speaker 3: If not, why even move on from Matt Eberflus if
Speaker 3: you don't have a possible replacement in mind?
Speaker 6: May I really quickly just jump in to say, I
Speaker 6: think a part of this conversation needs to include consistency,
Speaker 6: because we don't want to be here in a year's
Speaker 6: time saying and the Cowboys have moved on from there
Speaker 6: five to five defensive coordinator in five years and even
Speaker 6: if it's successful. I mean that also means if you're
Speaker 6: going after a guy that's you know, the best of
Speaker 6: the best currently that has you know, that hype behind them,
Speaker 6: they will also be considered for a head coaching job
Speaker 6: because of the platform they would be going forward, even
Speaker 6: if they're especially if they're being talked about in head
Speaker 6: head coaching realms right now and they don't want necessarily
Speaker 6: the Raiders job for instance, or the Cleveland six jobs available.
Speaker 8: There are six NFL head coaching jobs available as of today.
Speaker 6: But so when you do make this higher, are you
Speaker 6: are you guys considering the idea of making sure this
Speaker 6: is a consistent higher. This will be the higher that
Speaker 6: we will build around for the next That's three.
Speaker 5: Which also goes to getting away from the old guard.
Speaker 8: So my whole thing is when you start talking about coordinators,
Speaker 8: there has to be an identity like before, like you
Speaker 8: have that identity, and then you have to have a
Speaker 8: personality right right, because the identity in the personality can't
Speaker 8: be separated. You need the personality of the coach to
Speaker 8: be manifested through the players.
Speaker 6: This is where I feel you on Rex Ryan. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I genuinely do. Yeah, because that that personality that embodies
Speaker 6: their defense.
Speaker 8: Absolutely high energy, no nonsense, run through your face. We're
Speaker 8: gonna be uber aggressive.
Speaker 7: But we're gonna lose. We're gonna lose because.
Speaker 8: We just got beat on something while we're blitzing, you know,
Speaker 8: trying to get you, trying to get your quarterback one.
Speaker 8: It's one v one mono E mono. I'm calling you
Speaker 8: out as a man, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 8: Like there's an energy there or there I don't. I'm
Speaker 8: not saying that it doesn't exist otherwise other places, right,
Speaker 8: I'm not. I'm not saying that I don't know all
Speaker 8: these guys individually, but there isn't any other names that
Speaker 8: you guys could bring up to me. And I understand
Speaker 8: that he's been gone for it, and I understand that
Speaker 8: he's old school. I'm old school, So that's why I'm
Speaker 8: kind of leaning towards that direction. There aren't any other
Speaker 8: cordant defensive coordinators that when I hear their name, I
Speaker 8: know their scheme and I know what they're about, that
Speaker 8: are not going to be considered for head coaching jobs,
Speaker 8: and that who already do not possess defensive coordinator positions.
Speaker 8: Most of these guys, if they're very successful at their job,
Speaker 8: they're not going to leave where they're at to go
Speaker 8: for an adjacent.
Speaker 3: Job, because then in the next coaching style or coaching cycle,
Speaker 3: if they don't get a coaching job this cycle they
Speaker 3: have success in the place they've already been having a success,
Speaker 3: then you go again. Dan Quinn three years here with
Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys a great example of that.
Speaker 6: But that's unless they feel like they have that they
Speaker 6: can work with Dallas's personnel more and have more success
Speaker 6: making that lateral mode.
Speaker 7: I'm not doing it.
Speaker 8: I'm not leaving I'm not leaving a pie.
Speaker 7: I'm not leaving a.
Speaker 4: Defensive coordinator position to make a lateral move.
Speaker 8: Where to make it a lateral mo is just not happening, right,
Speaker 8: So that's what I'm saying. So the guys that you
Speaker 8: guys are most willing, Now you mentioned a coach who's fired, Okay,
Speaker 8: that's the potential, But everybody else that you respect in
Speaker 8: the coordinator defensive coordinator position.
Speaker 7: Has a job already. They already have a job.
Speaker 8: So you either have guys that have been waiting for
Speaker 8: the perfect opportunity, you have guys that have just got fired.
Speaker 8: Or you have guys that are waiting for the head
Speaker 8: coaching spot that's really the pools you're living. Or you're
Speaker 8: going to college and you're pulling somebody up.
Speaker 1: I think there's a caveat to that.
Speaker 5: The caveat to that would be example being you know
Speaker 5: the guy who lives in Ohio. If you if you're
Speaker 5: in a situation where yes, you're a defensive coordinator, but
Speaker 5: you don't like what's going on. You look around within
Speaker 5: that particular organization. It's a mess on that side of
Speaker 5: the ball. It's a mess whatever, whatever, and your future
Speaker 5: is uncertain and you just don't like the overall direction.
Speaker 5: I'd be willing to take a lateral move to something
Speaker 5: that is at least more promising, that might have more
Speaker 5: money attached.
Speaker 7: So I go to a place that just got rid
Speaker 7: of the last four.
Speaker 1: Guys that is at least more promising.
Speaker 5: It's true, you know, hold on, but the difference being
Speaker 5: look at what's happening in that particular organization on the
Speaker 5: other side of the ball versus what this side of
Speaker 5: the ball looks like, respectively.
Speaker 1: If you understand understand what there are no concerns.
Speaker 5: I should say they're little, little concerns because there's some
Speaker 5: some growth that shoty has to do, but there are
Speaker 5: little few concerns on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: So if I'm that defensive.
Speaker 5: Coordinator, I'm looking at the whole of the situation and saying,
Speaker 5: well the situation, I'm man, man, this house is burning down.
Speaker 8: And if you're that organization, are you going to allow
Speaker 8: that person to walk out the door without giving them
Speaker 8: the bag?
Speaker 5: You're gonna You're gonna offer it. But again, it's still
Speaker 5: on that person to say we're now still correct. It's
Speaker 5: a conversation within myself to say, Okay, well I could
Speaker 5: take a little bit more money here because they're up
Speaker 5: in the band for me to stay. However, that more
Speaker 5: money doesn't stop the fact that the house is burning down.
Speaker 8: Guys don't want to jump around. I'm just telling you
Speaker 8: that coaches do not. They have families. They don't want
Speaker 8: to be jumping from place to place. You have three
Speaker 8: little minions. If you move to three different cities in
Speaker 8: the last four years, your wife's gonna be like, sit down,
Speaker 8: what do we do?
Speaker 7: What are we doing? Right? Like?
Speaker 8: So I understand, I respect what you're saying, and I
Speaker 8: understand it that account balance.
Speaker 7: But guess what where we could make it.
Speaker 8: But wherever they're at, if there's home school, wherever they're at, wherever,
Speaker 8: whatever coaches were talking about, if they currently have positions
Speaker 8: with organizations, those organizations value them, they're going to give
Speaker 8: them the back there Again, I repeat, there are no
Speaker 8: salary caps when it comes to coaches.
Speaker 7: This is as a blank check.
Speaker 8: If the owner wants them and doesn't want them to leave,
Speaker 8: they will sign whatever they want to and you may
Speaker 8: or may not find out what they're making.
Speaker 6: That's tell you kept this Garrett's offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Candidates who will receive offers in some way, shape or
Speaker 5: form right whether they are currently under the contract or
Speaker 5: they were just fired, but they're going to get offers.
Speaker 5: Let me know when Rex Ryan starts taking a bunch
Speaker 5: of interviews, there's a reason he's not getting interviews.
Speaker 8: Is here He was interview here, Yes, when a couple
Speaker 8: of years ago, when when I talked about him last
Speaker 8: time you're talking about before you guys have that mean
Speaker 8: they hate brought him in for an interview. That's that's
Speaker 8: on the menu.
Speaker 3: I will say, I think over the last two hires
Speaker 3: Zimmer and Eberflus. This front office has consistently tried to
Speaker 3: find that same spark or that same experience level of
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn just to try and replicate some ounce of
Speaker 3: success that they've had with him in the past. Not
Speaker 3: saying Zimmer and Eberflus were the same person. They were not, however,
Speaker 3: trying to find a former head coach with skins on
Speaker 3: the wall, who has been around it, has had success
Speaker 3: as it even's coordinator.
Speaker 4: All of these elements here. You're talking about.
Speaker 3: Old school, you're talking about new school to a certain extent.
Speaker 3: Is this a time where a new school head coach
Speaker 3: with Brian Schottenheimer, who's going to have heavy influence on
Speaker 3: this higher is it time for him to go new
Speaker 3: school and give somebody a shot, give somebody that hasn't
Speaker 3: been a defensive course.
Speaker 1: Isn't that what he's been doing offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5: He has been Clayton Adams and Connor Reiley rights. He's
Speaker 5: giving guy titles. I'm just saying he's given guys a
Speaker 5: shot who otherwise may not have.
Speaker 4: Is a title I don't think he carries nearly as
Speaker 4: much a way.
Speaker 5: My point being to Cal's point, the defensive side of
Speaker 5: the ball for the most part, that eber flew was higher.
Speaker 1: That was not shoddy.
Speaker 4: So that and clearly it was not and neither was Zimmer.
Speaker 1: This will be a shoddy higher.
Speaker 6: Oh he'll yeah, the fingerprints will be all over it.
Speaker 6: I'm curious though, if the conversation at at any point,
Speaker 6: because this is going to be a long speculation between Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's gonna be like, it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, But
Speaker 6: I I kind of wonder if internal conversations start to
Speaker 6: happen as far as making a higher within.
Speaker 3: Curious making a higher within? Who would you hire within?
Speaker 3: We can talk about it.
Speaker 1: There's only one guy I would even consider consider.
Speaker 6: I mean, how would you guys feel about White Cotton.
Speaker 5: That's the only guy I would consider. But that's not
Speaker 5: the move I would make. But in the realm of consideration.
Speaker 6: In the realm of consideration, I think we have to
Speaker 6: I think we have to talk about I don't.
Speaker 8: Know his abilities to calling place same. I know he's
Speaker 8: an amazing defensive line coach, That's what I know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to.
Speaker 8: Keep Again, just like all positions, all all coordinators aren't
Speaker 8: head coaches, All position coaches aren't coordinating, So I can't
Speaker 8: speak to him and his abilities. I just know my
Speaker 8: biggest thing, again, when you mentioned a person's name, do
Speaker 8: you know the style of play that you're going to get?
Speaker 1: You do know the style of coaching you get with
Speaker 1: White Cotton?
Speaker 7: Oh, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: So he wasn't in the head coaching conversation whenever we
Speaker 6: had it, and then they had internal conversations, and guess
Speaker 6: who became the head coach. I'm just saying.
Speaker 8: And the person that I'm talking about, White Cotton fitten
Speaker 8: great with that person.
Speaker 3: There's also a defensive racks coach that was here for
Speaker 3: a little bit of time that left and went somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I can't say his name because he's under contract somewhere else.
Speaker 3: We've talked about him on the show a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Right now, would you even think about that possibility? That's
Speaker 3: not a lateral move.
Speaker 6: We thought about it last.
Speaker 3: That would be a promotion. Would you think about that?
Speaker 3: And would you know what type of style of play
Speaker 3: you would get from a guy, let's say that's on
Speaker 3: the Chicago Stauf not.
Speaker 7: When they're responsible for the entire defense. I don't. Okay,
Speaker 7: that's what I'm saying like, guys are great position coaches.
Speaker 8: I don't know, and none of us know what they
Speaker 8: would look like when they turn on Madden. You know, say, like,
Speaker 8: when you're responsible for all three levels, it's an entirely
Speaker 8: different thing. You have to have a scheme for all
Speaker 8: three levels. You can't just speak to your position of excellence.
Speaker 8: You have to speak to the linebackers. You gotta say
Speaker 8: the linebackers and you guys doing this because this is well,
Speaker 8: I need you to play, I need your defensive line.
Speaker 8: I need you guys, interior guys to play like this.
Speaker 8: Your defense is like you're commanding the defense. It's not
Speaker 8: just I get this title and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 8: position coaches, make your work with what I'm trying to
Speaker 8: do on the back end.
Speaker 7: Like you have. You have to know exactly all three
Speaker 7: levels through and through.
Speaker 3: Let me be very clear, I don't think that's a possibility,
Speaker 3: nor do I think the front office nor Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 3: would want that as a possibility. I'm just putting out
Speaker 3: a feeler for what that would scenario. Because the guy
Speaker 3: that was buddy buddy with him while he was here
Speaker 3: just left and got cut because of hostage.
Speaker 7: It was buddy buddy with him.
Speaker 6: Jordan Lewis too. I think like at this point, it's
Speaker 6: a different defense than he left.
Speaker 5: Great point, So I don't think different, but he just
Speaker 5: went to a defense that wasn't the same defense, and.
Speaker 6: There he's not. But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But discircles me to your point. Right.
Speaker 5: Granted, there are some position coaches that you just yeah,
Speaker 5: you don't know about, but I think this particular gentleman
Speaker 5: is above that particular take, by the because of Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy did this.
Speaker 5: Particular guy a huge favor by naming him assistant head
Speaker 5: coach and bringing him into those meetings so he can
Speaker 5: have the greater scope of things, right, So it made
Speaker 5: his uh, it expanded his thought process beyond just the
Speaker 5: defensive backs in Dallas. So that's why the name we're
Speaker 5: talking about I would be completely on board with, because again.
Speaker 1: Isaiah makes a valid take.
Speaker 5: However, I think this guy is above that take because
Speaker 5: he got the scope, the grand scope of things thanks
Speaker 5: to Mike McCarthy and how he chose to handle him
Speaker 5: when he was there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't know if it's a possibility.
Speaker 5: I don't know possible think would, and I know that
Speaker 5: somebody on Twitter brought up the guy in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 5: and I just I.
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Speaker 6: Moderica's team.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: My thought process with that is, I just don't see
Speaker 5: that gentleman, with the success that he's having, he ain't
Speaker 5: even turning around and coming back to an organization he
Speaker 5: felt slighted by by not giving him a rightful chance
Speaker 5: of being the DC here in the first place.
Speaker 4: It's been awesome, but he ain't leaving. All right, when
Speaker 4: we come back, I'm not leaving.
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Speaker 3: Look Who's back, Isaiah Standback No longer. Boy, just behind
Speaker 3: the curtain. You're dealing with sign.
Speaker 1: Us something I don't know, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't blame you.
Speaker 6: He's not coys to know.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 3: Pressure out. Pressure is pressure. Pressure makes diamonds.
Speaker 1: Right, that's what they say.
Speaker 5: That's what they say, scheming up pressure.
Speaker 4: At least somebody. Sorry, sorry less again.
Speaker 3: All right, I got a bit of an exercise, per se.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna name starters on this defensive side of the
Speaker 3: ball from twenty twenty five. I want you to tell
Speaker 3: me two things for each of these names, and we're
Speaker 3: gonna run through this pretty quickly. If you want to
Speaker 3: stop and debate over a player, let me know number one,
Speaker 3: would you bring them back and be a starter? Should
Speaker 3: they be a starter next year? Let's let's rephrase that,
Speaker 3: should they be a starter for this team next year?
Speaker 7: Two?
Speaker 3: Would they be a starter on any of the other
Speaker 3: all thirty one teams out there?
Speaker 6: This will be fun, all.
Speaker 4: Thirty one teams?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: All right, starting, I'm just gonna go down the list here.
Speaker 3: I know he's not an edge rusher, but I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna throw him out here as three defensive linemen.
Speaker 4: Oh so to Gizua yes, yes, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yes and yes, right, yes, yes, Kenny Clark, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: and yes, Quentin William Yes, yes, yes, Okay, so let's
Speaker 3: go ahead and move those guys out of the way.
Speaker 3: We're good there, Edge Rusher, I'm just gonna throw out
Speaker 3: Dante Faller Jr.
Speaker 6: No, yes, oh wait, sorry, yes, No.
Speaker 3: You would bring him back, but you would not see
Speaker 3: him as a starter on the other threat.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 6: He was very vocal about not being healthy this year,
Speaker 6: being hurt, and uh, of course vocal about the scheme.
Speaker 6: I would like to give him another year, a healthy
Speaker 6: off season and see what he can do. I would
Speaker 6: like to bring him back.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be in a discount too.
Speaker 6: Would he be starting?
Speaker 1: No, No, I think yeah. I think that's a progress
Speaker 1: stopper for Israk.
Speaker 4: Could be Donovan as rockerho that's yes, yes, yes, and
Speaker 4: maybe yes and maybe no.
Speaker 1: But it's a second question.
Speaker 7: Yeah no, yeah, it's not unfair.
Speaker 1: He's in the NFL. Okay, yes, no, and I agree
Speaker 1: and that and that might change, but he's been turned
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 7: Yes, in my opinion as of right now.
Speaker 4: Yes, you're right, Yesdavian.
Speaker 3: Clowney, Yes, yes, yes, and yes, yes, yes, Okay to
Speaker 3: Marve and overshow.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes and yes yes no.
Speaker 4: I think I'm merried with you.
Speaker 6: You got to be on the start.
Speaker 5: You gotta be on the field, on the field, heat start.
Speaker 5: Best ability is availability. When he's available heat start.
Speaker 7: When we could say when, when, where?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 10: How?
Speaker 5: Are we adding a third question? Can they be available? No,
Speaker 5: it's that's what I'm saying, so then yes, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Going to the base.
Speaker 5: I'm assuming every one of these guys are healthy at
Speaker 5: the time of this question.
Speaker 6: When he's healthy, he's starting for other time.
Speaker 5: I'm assuming every one of these guys are healthy at
Speaker 5: the time of this question.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 3: Uh Kenneth Murray, No no, no, no no, Isaiah L
Speaker 3: would you like.
Speaker 7: To No, No, I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 4: You would bring him back? Not a starter? Why would
Speaker 4: you bring him back?
Speaker 7: Because I think he he is a good player. I
Speaker 7: just think that he needs better coaching.
Speaker 4: Hmm, interesting, more accountability or better scheme.
Speaker 8: He doesn't have the vision. He's a hell of it.
Speaker 8: He's a tackler. He's a tackling machine. I don't care
Speaker 8: nobody says he's just his vision was terrible.
Speaker 6: So he's and he started off decent.
Speaker 4: Isn't part of that instinct.
Speaker 8: Though part of it is instinct, but part of it
Speaker 8: is coaching. We don't know what the heck's going on
Speaker 8: in that room in terms of keys and I vision.
Speaker 6: And I want to see more from your younger linebacker corps.
Speaker 5: No, no, he's not want to Maximo. If you ain't
Speaker 5: got the vision, you ain't got it.
Speaker 4: Donovan Wilson. Safety depends on the de coordinator.
Speaker 5: Yes, no, no, I'm saying no, no, I'm saying I
Speaker 5: think it depends on the decordinator. If it's if it's
Speaker 5: a Quinnesque coordinator that plays him downhill as opposed to
Speaker 5: in coverage. Donald can do some stuff for you. Maybe
Speaker 5: he's a coordinator that needs him to play coverage.
Speaker 4: Malie Cooker.
Speaker 6: Yes no, I'm say no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm there with I'm there with you.
Speaker 3: Going to court owners Kaal and Carson mm hmmm, yes, no, yes, no,
Speaker 3: I think there's a there's a development issue there.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, so yes, no, And you.
Speaker 4: Have to have a coordinator that's going to help develop them.
Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with Kevin Carson.
Speaker 12: Uhd ron Blane yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 12: yes no no, on the on the back, yes no,
Speaker 12: yes no, give me a healthy off season, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Okay, ready Steward yes no at safety, yes no, you're
Speaker 3: interested with him at.
Speaker 6: Safety, I'm gonna say yes, no a hard hitter.
Speaker 1: I like what you did there, but yes, no, I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: I'm cool with that. I would say no no.
Speaker 3: If you're going to pigeonhole him into corner as a
Speaker 3: nickel or whatever, I want poke him up a little
Speaker 3: bit seven pounds of muscles.
Speaker 7: I won't already I want him to.
Speaker 4: Sam Williams, Now, I'm going into the second girl.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no, yeah, and he's up
Speaker 3: on a contract years no no, you can possibly see
Speaker 3: h walk Logan Wilson no no.
Speaker 6: Yes, no no no, why yes, death wise, I want
Speaker 6: him on the team, okay.
Speaker 3: Solomon Thomas, yes, yes, yes, i'd say yes no, but
Speaker 3: I'm confident in yeah, yeah, I'm cool with that. Marquis
Speaker 3: Bell yes no, yes, no, okay. And these are all
Speaker 3: second tier guys anyway, so it should.
Speaker 1: Also that's also death and special team absolutely with yes.
Speaker 3: The reason for this exercise is to see how many
Speaker 3: no's we had in any capacity, whether you wanted him
Speaker 3: back or he would start on any of the other
Speaker 3: thirty one NFL teams. There's a lot of nose. There,
Speaker 3: lots of nose period. There's a lot of yes nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah you want to bring it back, Yes you want
Speaker 3: them as a part of your football team. Yes, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that I think can help you
Speaker 3: be better moving forward. But would they be starters in
Speaker 3: a starting role other than Dallas Texas?
Speaker 6: And I think that's probably the biggest problem that we're
Speaker 6: It's like we're used to a certain level of play
Speaker 6: on the defense when we're talking about how we need
Speaker 6: a total facelift, like you need to clean house on defense,
Speaker 6: you have ten pol guys. Absolutely the yes yes is
Speaker 6: but some of these yes nos, I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 6: then at what point do we expect them to make
Speaker 6: that next step coaching permitting all of these things permitting,
Speaker 6: I mean, let's let's clean house.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 5: This is why you have to attack this offseason in
Speaker 5: both the free agency and the NFL draft. And when
Speaker 5: I say free agency, I don't mean bargain ben shopping.
Speaker 5: I don't mean waiting until the you know, third and
Speaker 5: fourth wave of free agency. I mean, you need to
Speaker 5: be active in the first two waves of free agency.
Speaker 5: You got to walk away with this free agency with
Speaker 5: at least one whale, at least a whale a few
Speaker 5: and absolutely and now if that if that whale comes
Speaker 5: by way of trading in free agency to acquire the
Speaker 5: cap space, you can have the cap space.
Speaker 1: You go to make my freaking head explode.
Speaker 5: You can't have the cap space, I know, just because
Speaker 5: so many people are sins, so many people are like, oh,
Speaker 5: they're over. You can have the cap space even after
Speaker 5: you sign. You can have the CAPSA and please do
Speaker 5: not rely on the draft alone. You can have do
Speaker 5: everything you can to change this defense. You can have
Speaker 5: the cap space. I mean, there's so many ways to
Speaker 5: have the cap space. There are restructures on their restructures there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there are you know, preemptive extensions like on Kenny Clock
Speaker 5: and Quinny Williams that freeze up money immediately, things like that.
Speaker 1: You can get it done.
Speaker 5: And if you trade for a whale, you can then
Speaker 5: rework the contract with say it whale once you acquire him.
Speaker 5: There are so many ways to do what I don't
Speaker 5: want to talk about pot unless it's sweet potato or pelongs.
Speaker 3: Right now, you are projected to be thirty three million
Speaker 3: over the Caps in twenty twenty set, which is the
Speaker 3: worst number in the NFL.
Speaker 4: So I just want to put it out there the
Speaker 4: bestively did we have the best before?
Speaker 7: For one of the best.
Speaker 4: Now you have twenty three million of cap space now.
Speaker 7: But you can roll that over.
Speaker 1: You you can.
Speaker 4: There's there's ways to maneuver it.
Speaker 6: Make it enough, this, make it.
Speaker 4: This is the first off season episode. We got a
Speaker 4: long way to go. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: Maybe by the time we hit the airwaves next Tuesday
Speaker 3: at ten am Central time, we'll maybe have a new
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator to talk about us, or we'll at least
Speaker 3: have some interviews to talk about it. Ten days, ten days,
Speaker 3: we got a little bit of time. Thanks for watching
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