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Speaker 3: to rock today with Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah Standback,

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Speaker 3: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Welcome in

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Speaker 3: Cowboys Nation to the twenty twenty six NFL off season.

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Speaker 3: As the twenty five campaign is in the books like

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Speaker 3: Stranger Things five and we are moving forward with this

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Speaker 1: I like those words.

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Speaker 4: You like those words? Why don't you you? I thought

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Speaker 4: you were going to say I don't like those words.

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Speaker 4: We're moving on, yeah, but we could be in the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: We could be in the playoffs, Kyle trapped in the

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Speaker 5: upside down at a moment, I'm being controlled by back

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Speaker 5: at the moment. Right at the moment, however, I think

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Speaker 5: they might have gotten the mind flair out of here.

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Speaker 3: Oh is that correct? I mean I hate comparing that

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Speaker 3: to the mind fire. Let me be very clear.

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Speaker 4: He was never that powerful one and two.

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Speaker 1: So would you call him? Was it just a dema gorgan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, I'm I'm he is a

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Speaker 4: little bit worse than gog Yeah he was.

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Speaker 4: A little less effective, but not by much.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So that leads us right into the breaking news

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Speaker 5: breaking First of all, for once, Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Didn't happened before the show.

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Speaker 5: Cowboys delivered some breaking news before Talking Cowboys got what happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so Matt eber Flus was fired.

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Speaker 7: I thought that was a rumor.

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Speaker 1: Period, since.

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Speaker 6: You've checked on Dallas Cowboys dot com.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, or even just checked your push notifications that my

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Speaker 5: good friend Josh here sent out after the breaking news,

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Speaker 5: are you didn't put good? You got to turn your notifications.

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Speaker 1: On, bro.

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Speaker 8: I'm not a big notifications guy.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, Cowboys took all of two days following their

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Speaker 5: disappointing seven ninety one finish, which included another embarrassing defensive

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Speaker 5: outing against the Giants, to get.

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Speaker 7: I thought it was gonna take ten to twelve days.

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Speaker 1: The review every It was never going to take ten

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Speaker 1: to twelve days.

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Speaker 4: To that days until they find a new defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: Maybe you had about eighteen weeks to figure that one out.

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Speaker 5: But no, he's saying that because I saw that kind

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Speaker 5: of circulating on Twitter, and I tried to debunk it

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Speaker 5: yesterday because a couple of followers were like, hey, no Ce,

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Speaker 5: can you know is this timeline?

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Speaker 1: Trull was like, that's not a thing.

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Speaker 7: Coach. The coach did say it's gonna take about ten

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Speaker 7: twelve days reviews.

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Speaker 1: That was never a thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was they were trying to get through their

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Speaker 5: exit interviews with players, and then once they got through

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Speaker 5: the exit interviews with players yesterday, they were going to

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Speaker 5: immediately turn their eyes towards the coaching staff to start

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Speaker 5: making decisions, and obviously the most prominent decision needed to

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Speaker 5: be made was on Matt Ebraflus. Hence the news landing

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Speaker 5: this morning that Matt Ebraflus is out and the coaching

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Speaker 5: search can begin, but they're not quite done, I'm told.

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Speaker 5: So when you heard Jerry Jones saying things like, you know,

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Speaker 5: the defensive failings were quote unquote not all on Eberflus,

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Speaker 5: that was a glaring implication that he's going to review

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Speaker 5: the entirety of the defensive coaching staff to see who

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Speaker 1: So that's the news portion of it.

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Speaker 5: My analyst hat is as you're sifting through some of

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Speaker 5: curious how the Cowboys choose to handle it. Do you

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Speaker 1: Or Edgy to keep on or Edgy keep on, I'm

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Speaker 7: You want me to go ahead and say what I

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Speaker 6: Yes, it along the defensive line, buddy.

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Speaker 5: I would like for you to retain a Whitecotton. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 5: well on the same page, gotcha. So outside of that,

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Speaker 5: when I say clean house, it doesn't necessarily mean throwing

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Speaker 5: the bath water. But we've talked about it on several

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Speaker 5: occasions here on the show. There are other position coaches

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Speaker 5: that absolutely have to be a part of that discussion.

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Speaker 5: We talk about the lack of development with the linebacker corps,

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Speaker 8: And your most valuable acquisition that you picked up on

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Speaker 1: Yes, got you?

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Speaker 8: And he might say mainly, but I would say a

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Speaker 1: Because of who Aaron?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as is the James Houston acquisition right as was

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Speaker 5: you know, pushing well. Once they decided they were going

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Speaker 5: They called the Jets and yeah, we wanted Quentin Williams,

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Speaker 5: who was seening Michael Parsons at the time. The Jets

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Speaker 6: I'm two, wow, Wow, that's.

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Speaker 4: Very nicely done. Bar that might be the best hun

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Speaker 3: And it's crazy, all twenty twenty six, all of it.

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Speaker 4: Kyle had to get it well done, dude.

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Speaker 1: So Matt Eberflus is out and everyone else is under.

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Speaker 4: It's going to do it for us here on top. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's downhill from there.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, fourth defensive coordinator on the way in as

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Speaker 3: That's crazy to me to think about, and I think

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Speaker 3: it was the right decision. We had this conversation before

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Speaker 3: the adjustments that you anticipated from a guy like Matt Eberflus,

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Speaker 3: You anticipate some level of adjustment as the season goes on.

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Speaker 3: That's where I feel like he faltered absolutely, because we've

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Speaker 3: talked about the personnel. The personnel is not good. And

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Speaker 3: if you're sitting at home as a cow and you're

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Speaker 3: to make some significant changes in the personnel element as well.

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Speaker 4: But the one thing from Matt Eberflus's standpoint is when.

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Speaker 3: He came in, saw what he had in training camp,

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Speaker 3: Micah Parsons, but I can scheme up pressure. And then

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Speaker 3: through seventeen games of NFL football, you failed to scheme

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Speaker 3: up pressure for the most part. I know there were

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Speaker 3: a couple games where they had pressure, but you failed

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Speaker 3: to scheme up pressure. The secondary faltered because of it,

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Speaker 3: the linebackers faltered because of it. Your defensive tackles. You

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Speaker 3: couldn't adjust to make any sort of leeway. That's my

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Speaker 3: on this Cowboys roster, because I think Ibraflues is a

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Speaker 3: great person. I think he's a good man. I think

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Speaker 3: he's a solid coach. But a coach needs to make adjustments,

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Speaker 3: and in twenty twenty five he did not do that.

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Speaker 5: And the lack of adjustments extends to the fact that

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Speaker 5: he was too rigid in scheme over personnel. So he's

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Speaker 5: very clearly a guy that says my scheme, my scheme,

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Speaker 6: And this is the cards of Dealton. This is the

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Speaker 6: There's a great tweet by Nick Heir when he was

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Speaker 6: and I really like this quote from Dante Fowler. We

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Speaker 6: got the guys, we just need to put them in

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Speaker 6: the best position to make plays. That's it. I don't

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Speaker 6: care how good you think your scheme is. You just

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Speaker 6: got to evolve around your players, take your players' opinions

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Speaker 6: the best position to make plays.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's from Zante.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like some guys have been saying that.

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Speaker 4: But I still don't think we have the guys though. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And I think he was dealt a bad hand in

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Speaker 6: all of this too, because he expected to have Michael

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Speaker 6: Parsons on his team, and granted that didn't happen. The

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Speaker 6: decision was made unanimously. They said, So, I mean, that's

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Speaker 6: that's what was reported, that's what they said, So I'll

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Speaker 6: leave it there. But obviously that's going to hinder what

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Speaker 6: you're able to do as far as pressure goes, as

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Speaker 6: far as scheming of pressure goes, when you don't have

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Speaker 6: an all pro pass rusher like Michael Parsons. And granted

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Speaker 6: I think it ultimately it's going to be for the

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Speaker 6: because of the players that you're going to get. Me,

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Speaker 6: Like we talked about, you get two ones, Quinn Williams

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Speaker 6: my opinion, but it's.

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Speaker 4: Well, now it would be one to one Kenny Clark

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Speaker 3: That's true, But still that's three guys that you would

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Speaker 3: argue are going to make a magnificent impact on your defense.

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Speaker 1: For years to come.

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Speaker 6: And it's not all going to one player. You can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, Isaiah is not going to fly here today.

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Speaker 8: Simple stuff. So that was not all Eberflus. This is

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Speaker 8: not all Eberfools. This Eberflus is responsible because it's his unit.

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Speaker 8: You can't ask safety just because by position they're supposed

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Speaker 7: They have been.

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Speaker 8: I repeat, there is no salary caps on coaches, No

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Speaker 7: Listen in or out.

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Speaker 8: And there is only a handful of names that you

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Speaker 8: everybody else that you would mentioned that is in that

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Speaker 8: They're not gonna make an adjacent move. They're not gonna

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Speaker 7: That you're hoping to get done.

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Speaker 3: Are three things I want to mention with the last

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Speaker 3: all guys with established track records as defensive coordinators. Yep,

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Speaker 3: Of course, Quinn led the Falcons to a Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: They've felt like, Oh, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer, and Matt

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Speaker 3: my question to you becomes, when you're talking about a

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Speaker 8: Let me backpedal a little bit. Dan Quinn had a

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Speaker 1: The defensive line.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, So that was a personnel thing. Yes, no questions

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Speaker 8: He left here because he took a better opportunity, a

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Speaker 7: Since then, no, since then, no, since then? You you

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Speaker 8: Got Zimmer, and you got Zimmer who hadn't coached in

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Speaker 7: But it's like, okay, you know this is what he is.

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Speaker 8: Brian Flores, right that scheme, Then you bring in Eberflus.

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Speaker 8: you know, his defenses were considered to be solid, right,

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Speaker 8: So you brought him in thinking that he was going

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Speaker 7: The only thing with.

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Speaker 8: Ebra Flus is ebra Flus didn't have an or about him.

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Speaker 7: Doesn't command the room.

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Speaker 8: I was like, I don't see how that's gonna work.

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Speaker 7: Didn't see it really working out. I didn't think it

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Speaker 8: But the person I'm talking about, You guys know this,

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Speaker 8: are no other I hear you. There are no other names.

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Speaker 7: He will be a head coach.

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Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna get most likely in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 7: He'll be a head coach in Las Vegas. I'll say

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Speaker 8: So that's a no. Also, there's no for other reasons

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Speaker 8: Please Okay, So capslock hell no on rix run. And

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Speaker 8: for reasons that I've said.

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Speaker 5: Before, you you don't get grace from me after because

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Speaker 5: like a buffer has existed. Yeah, what buffer is is

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Speaker 4: Like you just criticize Mike Zimmer.

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Speaker 5: Exactly my point. So sometimes let me continue. I was

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Speaker 5: cut it right, obviously obviously for four for four your

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Speaker 5: the name again of the Nordic variety, right, We'll just

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Speaker 5: leave it there. I feel like Aura commands the room,

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Speaker 5: Okay from there, because you rather you like what's behind

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Speaker 5: There's a guy in one of the cities in Ohio.

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Speaker 5: and it could be anywhere. He commands Miami, respect from

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Speaker 5: now to a lesser degree as far as having that

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Speaker 5: but still gets buy in immediately. Jonathan Gannon, who also

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Speaker 5: Jonathan Gannon has familiarity with guess who Clayton Adams on

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Speaker 5: old Guard Dan Quinn. Still effective, but old guard that

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Speaker 3: That would make a lot of sense. So much he's

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Speaker 5: Recently with whom the Philadelphia Eagles. Doesn't he have a

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Was he there in twenty seventeen?

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he hold on?

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have been last year.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been last year.

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Speaker 5: Okay, fair enough, But he coached one of the best

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they took him to a Super Bowl he did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm okay.

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Speaker 5: So and in that space he that defense that he

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Speaker 5: coached to being one of and often the best in

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Speaker 5: the league.

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Speaker 1: What did they have?

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Speaker 5: They had dogs up front, right, they had Jordan Davis

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Speaker 5: and they had Okay, So, now he's coming into a

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Speaker 5: situation and we're just speaking to guy. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 5: that he's going to be the guy, but this is

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Speaker 5: me offering him as a candidate. Those pieces are already in

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Speaker 5: place here, Quinny Williams, Kenny Clark, we can talk about

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Speaker 5: Osa Salomon Thomas, he's here on the contract next year.

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Speaker 5: Those pieces are in place. Jonathan Gannon knows how to

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Speaker 5: get the edges where they need to be as far

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Speaker 5: as talking to the front office personnel wise, because they're

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Speaker 5: going to have to do some edgework. Dante Fowler free agent.

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Speaker 5: Don't know that you should bring him back, bring Jadavon

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Speaker 5: Clowney back, Sam Williams not so much. You see what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, you have to develop Israku go back linebackers.

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Speaker 5: He knows how to coach linebackers. That's one of the

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Speaker 5: best things they did in Philadelphia and still to this

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Speaker 5: day doing Philadelphia linebackers. But it also goes to having

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Speaker 5: the right personnel there to undevelop those guys. Right, So

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Speaker 5: names like Jonathan Gannon are going to be front runners

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Speaker 5: because I'm telling you right now, a guy like Clayton Adams,

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Speaker 5: he's already on the phone with the Schottenheimer and Jerry

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Speaker 5: and saying you should give this guy and look, bring

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Speaker 5: him in for an interview. So I hear what you're saying,

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Speaker 5: but I feel like it's time to move on from

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Speaker 5: the old guard.

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Speaker 3: You know what's really kind of funny just not to interrupt,

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Speaker 3: but just to take a look back at Jonathan Gannon's

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Speaker 3: list of coaching hirres and where he's been. He was

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen under Mike Zimmer.

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Speaker 3: Right after that, he was hired as the defensive backs

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Speaker 3: coach in twenty eighteen by the Indianapolis Colts under and

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Speaker 3: then he goes to and is the defensive coordinator. Had

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Speaker 3: success with Philadelphia for two years there. Yeah, listen, kind

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Speaker 3: of funny that to look at it that way when.

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Speaker 5: You see I'll put it this way really succinctly, when

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Speaker 5: you see Jonathan Gannon get fired by the Cardinals and

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Speaker 5: players start tweeting images of them hugging him, telling them

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Speaker 5: how much sty'll miss him. If you show me a

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Speaker 5: single Cowboys defensive player that tweets that type of image

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Speaker 5: from Matty.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Kenneth Murray, Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get me stuck. Which you know what, which, no, no, which,

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Speaker 1: kind of going to another.

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Speaker 5: Point I was going to say that was also Matt

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Speaker 5: Eberflus's undoing is inconsistency and accountability. I talked to so

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Speaker 5: many players on the defensive side of the ball in

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Speaker 5: the locker room day in, day out, who just could

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Speaker 5: not understand why they were not getting the rightful shot

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Speaker 5: at ascending on the depth chart. When you have guys

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Speaker 5: like Jack Samborn who was struggling, Nneth Murray was struggling. Hell,

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Speaker 5: we just watched the Giants game where Osa got bent

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Speaker 5: for an all size penalty, and then not long thereaft

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Speaker 5: Solomon Ton Solomon, Tom, I'm sorry, and then not long thereafter,

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Speaker 5: Kenneth Murray with the bone headed late hit out of

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Speaker 5: bounds doesn't get pulled and doesn't get pulled. The message

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Speaker 5: that sends to the locker room is outrageous. So there

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Speaker 5: was no buy in immediately, and then everything just started

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Speaker 5: regardless of how poorly his guys played.

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Speaker 4: I want to continue this conversation.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear your thoughts that I rudely interrupted

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Speaker 3: Once again, Maddieberflues fired as the defensive coordinator after one

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Speaker 3: season here with the Cowboys. Taking a look at what

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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys. Matt Eberflues fired as the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: in Dallas. Isaiah, we were talking in the previous segment

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Speaker 3: you can find a guy worth replacing, because based on

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Speaker 3: your initial reaction, and I don't disagree with you, by

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Speaker 3: the way, I'm on the same page as you are.

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Speaker 3: If you don't go get a guy, a proven commodity,

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Speaker 3: somebody that you can bring in here and trust that

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Speaker 3: despite having a lack of talent on your defense, which

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Speaker 3: is fair right now, you have some high end guys

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Speaker 7: Of nobody's on defense.

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Speaker 4: Let's call a spade as bay.

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Speaker 3: They've got to be welcome to doing something with that.

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Speaker 3: If not, why even move on from Matt Eberflus if

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Speaker 3: you don't have a possible replacement in mind?

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Speaker 6: May I really quickly just jump in to say, I

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Speaker 6: think a part of this conversation needs to include consistency,

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Speaker 6: because we don't want to be here in a year's

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Speaker 6: time saying and the Cowboys have moved on from there

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Speaker 6: five to five defensive coordinator in five years and even

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Speaker 6: if it's successful. I mean that also means if you're

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Speaker 6: going after a guy that's you know, the best of

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Speaker 6: the best currently that has you know, that hype behind them,

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Speaker 6: they will also be considered for a head coaching job

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Speaker 6: because of the platform they would be going forward, even

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Speaker 6: if they're especially if they're being talked about in head

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Speaker 6: head coaching realms right now and they don't want necessarily

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Speaker 6: the Raiders job for instance, or the Cleveland six jobs available.

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Speaker 8: There are six NFL head coaching jobs available as of today.

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Speaker 6: But so when you do make this higher, are you

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Speaker 6: are you guys considering the idea of making sure this

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Speaker 6: is a consistent higher. This will be the higher that

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Speaker 6: we will build around for the next That's three.

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Speaker 5: Which also goes to getting away from the old guard.

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Speaker 8: So my whole thing is when you start talking about coordinators,

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Speaker 8: there has to be an identity like before, like you

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Speaker 8: have that identity, and then you have to have a

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Speaker 8: personality right right, because the identity in the personality can't

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Speaker 8: be separated. You need the personality of the coach to

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Speaker 8: be manifested through the players.

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Speaker 6: This is where I feel you on Rex Ryan. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I genuinely do. Yeah, because that that personality that embodies

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Speaker 6: their defense.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely high energy, no nonsense, run through your face. We're

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Speaker 8: gonna be uber aggressive.

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Speaker 7: But we're gonna lose. We're gonna lose because.

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Speaker 8: We just got beat on something while we're blitzing, you know,

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Speaker 8: trying to get you, trying to get your quarterback one.

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Speaker 8: It's one v one mono E mono. I'm calling you

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Speaker 8: out as a man, like you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 8: Like there's an energy there or there I don't. I'm

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Speaker 8: not saying that it doesn't exist otherwise other places, right,

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Speaker 8: I'm not. I'm not saying that I don't know all

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Speaker 8: these guys individually, but there isn't any other names that

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Speaker 8: you guys could bring up to me. And I understand

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Speaker 8: that he's been gone for it, and I understand that

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Speaker 8: he's old school. I'm old school, So that's why I'm

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Speaker 8: kind of leaning towards that direction. There aren't any other

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Speaker 8: cordant defensive coordinators that when I hear their name, I

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Speaker 8: know their scheme and I know what they're about, that

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Speaker 8: are not going to be considered for head coaching jobs,

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Speaker 8: and that who already do not possess defensive coordinator positions.

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Speaker 8: Most of these guys, if they're very successful at their job,

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Speaker 8: they're not going to leave where they're at to go

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Speaker 8: for an adjacent.

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Speaker 3: Job, because then in the next coaching style or coaching cycle,

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Speaker 3: if they don't get a coaching job this cycle they

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Speaker 3: have success in the place they've already been having a success,

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Speaker 3: then you go again. Dan Quinn three years here with

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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys a great example of that.

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Speaker 6: But that's unless they feel like they have that they

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Speaker 6: can work with Dallas's personnel more and have more success

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Speaker 6: making that lateral mode.

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Speaker 7: I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 8: I'm not leaving I'm not leaving a pie.

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Speaker 7: I'm not leaving a.

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Speaker 4: Defensive coordinator position to make a lateral move.

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Speaker 8: Where to make it a lateral mo is just not happening, right,

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Speaker 8: So that's what I'm saying. So the guys that you

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Speaker 8: guys are most willing, Now you mentioned a coach who's fired, Okay,

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Speaker 8: that's the potential, But everybody else that you respect in

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Speaker 8: the coordinator defensive coordinator position.

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Speaker 7: Has a job already. They already have a job.

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Speaker 8: So you either have guys that have been waiting for

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Speaker 8: the perfect opportunity, you have guys that have just got fired.

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Speaker 8: Or you have guys that are waiting for the head

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Speaker 8: coaching spot that's really the pools you're living. Or you're

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Speaker 8: going to college and you're pulling somebody up.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a caveat to that.

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Speaker 5: The caveat to that would be example being you know

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Speaker 5: the guy who lives in Ohio. If you if you're

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Speaker 5: in a situation where yes, you're a defensive coordinator, but

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Speaker 5: you don't like what's going on. You look around within

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Speaker 5: that particular organization. It's a mess on that side of

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Speaker 5: the ball. It's a mess whatever, whatever, and your future

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Speaker 5: I'd be willing to take a lateral move to something

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Speaker 5: that is at least more promising, that might have more

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Speaker 5: money attached.

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Speaker 7: So I go to a place that just got rid

660
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Speaker 7: of the last four.

661
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Speaker 1: Guys that is at least more promising.

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Speaker 5: It's true, you know, hold on, but the difference being

663
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Speaker 5: look at what's happening in that particular organization on the

664
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Speaker 5: other side of the ball versus what this side of

665
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Speaker 5: the ball looks like, respectively.

666
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Speaker 1: If you understand understand what there are no concerns.

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Speaker 5: I should say they're little, little concerns because there's some

668
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Speaker 5: some growth that shoty has to do, but there are

669
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Speaker 5: little few concerns on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm that defensive.

671
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Speaker 5: Coordinator, I'm looking at the whole of the situation and saying,

672
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Speaker 5: well the situation, I'm man, man, this house is burning down.

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Speaker 8: And if you're that organization, are you going to allow

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Speaker 8: that person to walk out the door without giving them

675
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Speaker 8: the bag?

676
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Speaker 5: You're gonna You're gonna offer it. But again, it's still

677
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Speaker 5: on that person to say we're now still correct. It's

678
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Speaker 5: a conversation within myself to say, Okay, well I could

679
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Speaker 5: take a little bit more money here because they're up

680
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Speaker 5: in the band for me to stay. However, that more

681
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Speaker 5: money doesn't stop the fact that the house is burning down.

682
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Speaker 8: Guys don't want to jump around. I'm just telling you

683
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Speaker 8: that coaches do not. They have families. They don't want

684
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Speaker 8: to be jumping from place to place. You have three

685
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 8: little minions. If you move to three different cities in

686
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Speaker 8: the last four years, your wife's gonna be like, sit down,

687
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Speaker 8: what do we do?

688
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Speaker 7: What are we doing? Right? Like?

689
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Speaker 8: So I understand, I respect what you're saying, and I

690
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Speaker 8: understand it that account balance.

691
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Speaker 7: But guess what where we could make it.

692
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Speaker 8: But wherever they're at, if there's home school, wherever they're at, wherever,

693
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Speaker 8: whatever coaches were talking about, if they currently have positions

694
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Speaker 8: with organizations, those organizations value them, they're going to give

695
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Speaker 8: them the back there Again, I repeat, there are no

696
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 8: salary caps when it comes to coaches.

697
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 7: This is as a blank check.

698
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Speaker 8: If the owner wants them and doesn't want them to leave,

699
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Speaker 8: they will sign whatever they want to and you may

700
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Speaker 8: or may not find out what they're making.

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Speaker 6: That's tell you kept this Garrett's offensive coordinator.

702
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we're talking about.

703
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: Candidates who will receive offers in some way, shape or

704
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 5: form right whether they are currently under the contract or

705
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 5: they were just fired, but they're going to get offers.

706
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Speaker 5: Let me know when Rex Ryan starts taking a bunch

707
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Speaker 5: of interviews, there's a reason he's not getting interviews.

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Speaker 8: Is here He was interview here, Yes, when a couple

709
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Speaker 8: of years ago, when when I talked about him last

710
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Speaker 8: time you're talking about before you guys have that mean

711
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 8: they hate brought him in for an interview. That's that's

712
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Speaker 8: on the menu.

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Speaker 3: I will say, I think over the last two hires

714
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Speaker 3: Zimmer and Eberflus. This front office has consistently tried to

715
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Speaker 3: find that same spark or that same experience level of

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Speaker 3: Dan Quinn just to try and replicate some ounce of

717
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Speaker 3: success that they've had with him in the past. Not

718
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Speaker 3: saying Zimmer and Eberflus were the same person. They were not, however,

719
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Speaker 3: trying to find a former head coach with skins on

720
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Speaker 3: the wall, who has been around it, has had success

721
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Speaker 3: as it even's coordinator.

722
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Speaker 4: All of these elements here. You're talking about.

723
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Speaker 3: Old school, you're talking about new school to a certain extent.

724
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Speaker 3: Is this a time where a new school head coach

725
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Speaker 3: with Brian Schottenheimer, who's going to have heavy influence on

726
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Speaker 3: this higher is it time for him to go new

727
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: school and give somebody a shot, give somebody that hasn't

728
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Speaker 3: been a defensive course.

729
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Speaker 1: Isn't that what he's been doing offensive side of the ball.

730
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Speaker 5: He has been Clayton Adams and Connor Reiley rights. He's

731
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: giving guy titles. I'm just saying he's given guys a

732
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Speaker 5: shot who otherwise may not have.

733
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Speaker 4: Is a title I don't think he carries nearly as

734
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Speaker 4: much a way.

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Speaker 5: My point being to Cal's point, the defensive side of

736
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 5: the ball for the most part, that eber flew was higher.

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Speaker 1: That was not shoddy.

738
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Speaker 4: So that and clearly it was not and neither was Zimmer.

739
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Speaker 1: This will be a shoddy higher.

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Speaker 6: Oh he'll yeah, the fingerprints will be all over it.

741
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 6: I'm curious though, if the conversation at at any point,

742
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 6: because this is going to be a long speculation between Yeah,

743
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: it's gonna be like, it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, But

744
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 6: I I kind of wonder if internal conversations start to

745
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 6: happen as far as making a higher within.

746
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 3: Curious making a higher within? Who would you hire within?

747
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: We can talk about it.

748
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: There's only one guy I would even consider consider.

749
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Speaker 6: I mean, how would you guys feel about White Cotton.

750
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Speaker 5: That's the only guy I would consider. But that's not

751
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: the move I would make. But in the realm of consideration.

752
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 6: In the realm of consideration, I think we have to

753
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 6: I think we have to talk about I don't.

754
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 8: Know his abilities to calling place same. I know he's

755
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 8: an amazing defensive line coach, That's what I know.

756
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to.

757
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 8: Keep Again, just like all positions, all all coordinators aren't

758
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 8: head coaches, All position coaches aren't coordinating, So I can't

759
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 8: speak to him and his abilities. I just know my

760
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 8: biggest thing, again, when you mentioned a person's name, do

761
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 8: you know the style of play that you're going to get?

762
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: You do know the style of coaching you get with

763
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Speaker 1: White Cotton?

764
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Speaker 7: Oh, that's for sure.

765
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Speaker 6: So he wasn't in the head coaching conversation whenever we

766
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 6: had it, and then they had internal conversations, and guess

767
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 6: who became the head coach. I'm just saying.

768
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Speaker 8: And the person that I'm talking about, White Cotton fitten

769
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 8: great with that person.

770
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Speaker 3: There's also a defensive racks coach that was here for

771
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: a little bit of time that left and went somewhere else.

772
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Speaker 3: I can't say his name because he's under contract somewhere else.

773
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: We've talked about him on the show a couple of times.

774
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: Right now, would you even think about that possibility? That's

775
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: not a lateral move.

776
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 6: We thought about it last.

777
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: That would be a promotion. Would you think about that?

778
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 3: And would you know what type of style of play

779
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: you would get from a guy, let's say that's on

780
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: the Chicago Stauf not.

781
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 7: When they're responsible for the entire defense. I don't. Okay,

782
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 7: that's what I'm saying like, guys are great position coaches.

783
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 8: I don't know, and none of us know what they

784
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 8: would look like when they turn on Madden. You know, say, like,

785
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 8: when you're responsible for all three levels, it's an entirely

786
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 8: different thing. You have to have a scheme for all

787
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 8: three levels. You can't just speak to your position of excellence.

788
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 8: You have to speak to the linebackers. You gotta say

789
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 8: the linebackers and you guys doing this because this is well,

790
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 8: I need you to play, I need your defensive line.

791
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 8: I need you guys, interior guys to play like this.

792
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 8: Your defense is like you're commanding the defense. It's not

793
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 8: just I get this title and I'm like, all right,

794
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 8: position coaches, make your work with what I'm trying to

795
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 8: do on the back end.

796
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 7: Like you have. You have to know exactly all three

797
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 7: levels through and through.

798
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Speaker 3: Let me be very clear, I don't think that's a possibility,

799
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: nor do I think the front office nor Brian Schottenheimer

800
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: would want that as a possibility. I'm just putting out

801
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: a feeler for what that would scenario. Because the guy

802
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: that was buddy buddy with him while he was here

803
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: just left and got cut because of hostage.

804
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 7: It was buddy buddy with him.

805
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 6: Jordan Lewis too. I think like at this point, it's

806
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 6: a different defense than he left.

807
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: Great point, So I don't think different, but he just

808
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 5: went to a defense that wasn't the same defense, and.

809
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 6: There he's not. But I understand what you're saying.

810
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: But discircles me to your point. Right.

811
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Speaker 5: Granted, there are some position coaches that you just yeah,

812
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 5: you don't know about, but I think this particular gentleman

813
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 5: is above that particular take, by the because of Mike McCarthy.

814
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy did this.

815
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Speaker 5: Particular guy a huge favor by naming him assistant head

816
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Speaker 5: coach and bringing him into those meetings so he can

817
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 5: have the greater scope of things, right, So it made

818
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 5: his uh, it expanded his thought process beyond just the

819
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 5: defensive backs in Dallas. So that's why the name we're

820
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 5: talking about I would be completely on board with, because again.

821
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: Isaiah makes a valid take.

822
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 5: However, I think this guy is above that take because

823
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 5: he got the scope, the grand scope of things thanks

824
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 5: to Mike McCarthy and how he chose to handle him

825
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 5: when he was there.

826
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't know if it's a possibility.

827
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 5: I don't know possible think would, and I know that

828
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 5: somebody on Twitter brought up the guy in the Pacific Northwest,

829
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 5: and I just I.

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Speaker 6: Just love that we're doing.

831
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832
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Speaker 3: the coast to coast.

833
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Speaker 6: Moderica's team.

834
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

835
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Speaker 5: My thought process with that is, I just don't see

836
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 5: that gentleman, with the success that he's having, he ain't

837
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 5: even turning around and coming back to an organization he

838
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: felt slighted by by not giving him a rightful chance

839
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,359
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840
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Speaker 4: we come back, I'm not leaving.

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Speaker 3: on the defensive side. I've got a couple questions that

844
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Speaker 3: All right, I got a bit of an exercise, per se.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna name starters on this defensive side of the

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00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: ball from twenty twenty five. I want you to tell

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Speaker 3: me two things for each of these names, and we're

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Speaker 3: gonna run through this pretty quickly. If you want to

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Speaker 3: stop and debate over a player, let me know number one,

910
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: would you bring them back and be a starter? Should

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00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: they be a starter next year? Let's let's rephrase that,

912
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: should they be a starter for this team next year?

913
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 7: Two?

914
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: Would they be a starter on any of the other

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00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 3: all thirty one teams out there?

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Speaker 6: This will be fun, all.

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Speaker 4: Thirty one teams?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: All right, starting, I'm just gonna go down the list here.

920
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: I know he's not an edge rusher, but I'm just

921
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: gonna throw him out here as three defensive linemen.

922
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 4: Oh so to Gizua yes, yes, there you go.

923
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: Yes and yes, right, yes, yes, Kenny Clark, yes, yes, yes,

924
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: and yes, Quentin William Yes, yes, yes, Okay, so let's

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Speaker 3: go ahead and move those guys out of the way.

926
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Speaker 3: We're good there, Edge Rusher, I'm just gonna throw out

927
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Speaker 3: Dante Faller Jr.

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Speaker 6: No, yes, oh wait, sorry, yes, No.

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00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: You would bring him back, but you would not see

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Speaker 3: him as a starter on the other threat.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 6: He was very vocal about not being healthy this year,

933
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Speaker 6: being hurt, and uh, of course vocal about the scheme.

934
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Speaker 6: I would like to give him another year, a healthy

935
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Speaker 6: off season and see what he can do. I would

936
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Speaker 6: like to bring him back.

937
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Speaker 4: It's gonna be in a discount too.

938
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Speaker 6: Would he be starting?

939
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Speaker 1: No, No, I think yeah. I think that's a progress

940
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: stopper for Israk.

941
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Speaker 4: Could be Donovan as rockerho that's yes, yes, yes, and

942
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Speaker 4: maybe yes and maybe no.

943
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: But it's a second question.

944
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 7: Yeah no, yeah, it's not unfair.

945
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Speaker 1: He's in the NFL. Okay, yes, no, and I agree

946
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Speaker 1: and that and that might change, but he's been turned

947
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Speaker 1: into it.

948
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Speaker 7: Yes, in my opinion as of right now.

949
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Speaker 4: Yes, you're right, Yesdavian.

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Speaker 3: Clowney, Yes, yes, yes, and yes, yes, yes, Okay to

951
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Speaker 3: Marve and overshow.

952
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yes and yes yes no.

953
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Speaker 4: I think I'm merried with you.

954
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Speaker 6: You got to be on the start.

955
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Speaker 5: You gotta be on the field, on the field, heat start.

956
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 5: Best ability is availability. When he's available heat start.

957
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Speaker 7: When we could say when, when, where?

958
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Speaker 6: Why?

959
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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 10: How?

961
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Speaker 5: Are we adding a third question? Can they be available? No,

962
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Speaker 5: it's that's what I'm saying, so then yes, I'm just.

963
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Speaker 1: Going to the base.

964
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Speaker 5: I'm assuming every one of these guys are healthy at

965
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Speaker 5: the time of this question.

966
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Speaker 6: When he's healthy, he's starting for other time.

967
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Speaker 5: I'm assuming every one of these guys are healthy at

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Speaker 5: the time of this question.

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00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: Uh Kenneth Murray, No no, no, no no, Isaiah L

971
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Speaker 3: would you like.

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Speaker 7: To No, No, I'm gonna say yes.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 4: You would bring him back? Not a starter? Why would

975
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Speaker 4: you bring him back?

976
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Speaker 7: Because I think he he is a good player. I

977
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Speaker 7: just think that he needs better coaching.

978
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Speaker 4: Hmm, interesting, more accountability or better scheme.

979
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Speaker 8: He doesn't have the vision. He's a hell of it.

980
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Speaker 8: He's a tackler. He's a tackling machine. I don't care

981
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Speaker 8: nobody says he's just his vision was terrible.

982
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Speaker 6: So he's and he started off decent.

983
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Speaker 4: Isn't part of that instinct.

984
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Speaker 8: Though part of it is instinct, but part of it

985
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Speaker 8: is coaching. We don't know what the heck's going on

986
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Speaker 8: in that room in terms of keys and I vision.

987
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Speaker 6: And I want to see more from your younger linebacker corps.

988
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 5: No, no, he's not want to Maximo. If you ain't

989
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: got the vision, you ain't got it.

990
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 4: Donovan Wilson. Safety depends on the de coordinator.

991
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Speaker 5: Yes, no, no, I'm saying no, no, I'm saying I

992
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Speaker 5: think it depends on the decordinator. If it's if it's

993
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Speaker 5: a Quinnesque coordinator that plays him downhill as opposed to

994
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Speaker 5: in coverage. Donald can do some stuff for you. Maybe

995
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Speaker 5: he's a coordinator that needs him to play coverage.

996
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Speaker 4: Malie Cooker.

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00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 6: Yes no, I'm say no, no, no, no.

998
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm there with I'm there with you.

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00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: Going to court owners Kaal and Carson mm hmmm, yes, no, yes, no,

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Speaker 3: I think there's a there's a development issue there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, so yes, no, And you.

1002
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Speaker 4: Have to have a coordinator that's going to help develop them.

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Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with Kevin Carson.

1004
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 12: Uhd ron Blane yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, right, yes, yes,

1005
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 12: yes no no, on the on the back, yes no,

1006
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 12: yes no, give me a healthy off season, we'll see.

1007
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Speaker 3: Okay, ready Steward yes no at safety, yes no, you're

1008
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 3: interested with him at.

1009
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Speaker 6: Safety, I'm gonna say yes, no a hard hitter.

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Speaker 1: I like what you did there, but yes, no, I

1011
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: like that.

1012
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: I'm cool with that. I would say no no.

1013
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: If you're going to pigeonhole him into corner as a

1014
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: nickel or whatever, I want poke him up a little

1015
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 3: bit seven pounds of muscles.

1016
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Speaker 7: I won't already I want him to.

1017
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: Sam Williams, Now, I'm going into the second girl.

1018
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no, yeah, and he's up

1019
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: on a contract years no no, you can possibly see

1020
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Speaker 3: h walk Logan Wilson no no.

1021
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Speaker 6: Yes, no no no, why yes, death wise, I want

1022
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 6: him on the team, okay.

1023
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: Solomon Thomas, yes, yes, yes, i'd say yes no, but

1024
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Speaker 3: I'm confident in yeah, yeah, I'm cool with that. Marquis

1025
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Speaker 3: Bell yes no, yes, no, okay. And these are all

1026
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: second tier guys anyway, so it should.

1027
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Also that's also death and special team absolutely with yes.

1028
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 3: The reason for this exercise is to see how many

1029
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: no's we had in any capacity, whether you wanted him

1030
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: back or he would start on any of the other

1031
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 3: thirty one NFL teams. There's a lot of nose. There,

1032
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: lots of nose period. There's a lot of yes nose.

1033
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah you want to bring it back, Yes you want

1034
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: them as a part of your football team. Yes, there's

1035
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that I think can help you

1036
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: be better moving forward. But would they be starters in

1037
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: a starting role other than Dallas Texas?

1038
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 6: And I think that's probably the biggest problem that we're

1039
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 6: It's like we're used to a certain level of play

1040
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 6: on the defense when we're talking about how we need

1041
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 6: a total facelift, like you need to clean house on defense,

1042
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 6: you have ten pol guys. Absolutely the yes yes is

1043
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 6: but some of these yes nos, I'm like, okay, well,

1044
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 6: then at what point do we expect them to make

1045
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 6: that next step coaching permitting all of these things permitting,

1046
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 6: I mean, let's let's clean house.

1047
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 9: Man.

1048
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 5: This is why you have to attack this offseason in

1049
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 5: both the free agency and the NFL draft. And when

1050
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 5: I say free agency, I don't mean bargain ben shopping.

1051
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 5: I don't mean waiting until the you know, third and

1052
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 5: fourth wave of free agency. I mean, you need to

1053
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: be active in the first two waves of free agency.

1054
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 5: You got to walk away with this free agency with

1055
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: at least one whale, at least a whale a few

1056
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 5: and absolutely and now if that if that whale comes

1057
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 5: by way of trading in free agency to acquire the

1058
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 5: cap space, you can have the cap space.

1059
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: You go to make my freaking head explode.

1060
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 5: You can't have the cap space, I know, just because

1061
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 5: so many people are sins, so many people are like, oh,

1062
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 5: they're over. You can have the cap space even after

1063
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 5: you sign. You can have the CAPSA and please do

1064
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 5: not rely on the draft alone. You can have do

1065
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 5: everything you can to change this defense. You can have

1066
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 5: the cap space. I mean, there's so many ways to

1067
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 5: have the cap space. There are restructures on their restructures there. Yeah,

1068
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 5: there are you know, preemptive extensions like on Kenny Clock

1069
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 5: and Quinny Williams that freeze up money immediately, things like that.

1070
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: You can get it done.

1071
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 5: And if you trade for a whale, you can then

1072
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 5: rework the contract with say it whale once you acquire him.

1073
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 5: There are so many ways to do what I don't

1074
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 5: want to talk about pot unless it's sweet potato or pelongs.

1075
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: Right now, you are projected to be thirty three million

1076
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: over the Caps in twenty twenty set, which is the

1077
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: worst number in the NFL.

1078
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 4: So I just want to put it out there the

1079
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: bestively did we have the best before?

1080
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 7: For one of the best.

1081
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 4: Now you have twenty three million of cap space now.

1082
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 7: But you can roll that over.

1083
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: You you can.

1084
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 4: There's there's ways to maneuver it.

1085
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 6: Make it enough, this, make it.

1086
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: This is the first off season episode. We got a

1087
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: long way to go. We'll talk about it.

1088
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: Maybe by the time we hit the airwaves next Tuesday

1089
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Speaker 3: at ten am Central time, we'll maybe have a new

1090
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator to talk about us, or we'll at least

1091
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: have some interviews to talk about it. Ten days, ten days,

1092
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 3: we got a little bit of time. Thanks for watching

1093
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: Talking Cowboys. Hope you had some fun with us over

1094
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Speaker 3: the last fifty minutes. For Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez,

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