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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country.

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Speaker 2: Ah Yes, welcome Inside Inside the Draft here on colts

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Speaker 2: dot Com, the Colts Audio Network guy Matt Taylor inside

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday. It is the month of March. That means

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Speaker 1: it's draft season. We're about seven weeks away from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft coming up in late April, and each Thursday

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Speaker 1: between now and Draft Day, round number one coming up

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Speaker 1: on April twenty fifth, we're gonna give you some in

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Speaker 1: depth draft talk with insiders that cover this thing all

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Speaker 1: over the country. The Colts currently sit with the fifteenth

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Speaker 1: overall pick. They've got a pick in each round of

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Speaker 1: the upcoming draft as we sit here and talk right now,

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Speaker 1: seven picks overall. And this year's draft for the Colts

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Speaker 1: certainly looks a lot different than last year. Last year,

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Speaker 1: around this time, all the draft chattered centered around quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: with the Cold ultimately drafting Anthony Richardson fourth overall. But

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Speaker 1: this year's draft is no less important for the Colts,

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Speaker 1: who look to take the next step and improve upon

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Speaker 1: last year's nine to eight season. Narrowly missing out on

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Our guest today joined us last week at

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Draft analyst Lance Zerline from

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com and the NFL Network joined myself and

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Gorman on Radio Row, and NFL Draft insider Dane

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Speaker 1: Brugler from the Athletics sat down with Jeffrey and JJ

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Speaker 1: Stangowitz inside the Indianapolis Convention Center as well. And both

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Speaker 1: men are two of the most dialed in draft experts

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Speaker 1: in the industry, and we are incredibly excited to bring

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Speaker 1: you both of those interviews on our first weekly installment

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Speaker 1: of the draft series. So we're talking about quarterbacks, how

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in this draft class impact the Colts, the

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Speaker 1: depth at wide receiver, how much value can you get

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Speaker 1: at receiver on Day two of the draft. What's this

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Speaker 1: ceiling for intriguing prospect brock Bauers tight end coming out

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Speaker 1: of Georgia. Where can the Colts get a difference maker

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Speaker 1: at cornerback potentially, And why the NFL Combine it should

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Speaker 1: stay put in Indianapolis after twenty twenty five and beyond.

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Speaker 1: All of those topics are coming up here with Lance

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Speaker 1: and Dane here on inside the draft. So without further

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Speaker 1: ado lance Zerline beginning with with myself and Jeffrey Gorman

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Speaker 1: at the NFL combine.

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Speaker 3: If you're at the NFL combine, you want to talk

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Speaker 3: to this gentleman. We're talking at Lance Zerline right now.

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft analysts for NFL dot Com and the NFL

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Speaker 3: Network appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 4: How many is this for you?

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Speaker 5: Uh, probably thirteenth combine. It's my tenth in a row.

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Speaker 4: You learn more each year, you learn less each year?

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Speaker 5: Well you do, you do?

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Speaker 6: I guess you'll learn a little bit less the more

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Speaker 6: you go on because you start learning these lessons and

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Speaker 6: there's less to learn. But a lot of times you

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Speaker 6: take what you missed on the year before and you

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Speaker 6: look to correct it in your process and next year.

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Speaker 6: So I personally, I'm learning all the time.

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Speaker 4: Actually have to excellent. Well, give us your take on this.

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Speaker 3: The big story here is quarterbacks are gonna end up

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Speaker 3: going in the first round, let alone the first top

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Speaker 3: ten picks. There's a lot there's outsiders that are coming

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Speaker 3: up moving up. We saw that with Jayden Daniels from

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Speaker 3: the season he had at LSU. JJ McCarthy Michigan what's

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Speaker 3: his quarterback class? Look at you overall so far quarterbacks good,

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Speaker 6: JJ McCarty hasn't played a ton of football, and so

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Speaker 6: we still don't know what his best football looks like,

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Speaker 6: which I think makes him intriguing to teams in a way.

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Speaker 6: I think bo Nicks is a guy who had a

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Speaker 6: phenomenal season that people aren't even talking about. You look

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Speaker 6: had like forty eight touchdowns, three was it nine interceptions,

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Speaker 6: and then he threw for over seventy seven percent completion rate. Now,

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Speaker 6: there was plenty of dink and dunk type throws in there,

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Speaker 6: but he threw with accuracy, He threw a good velocity,

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Speaker 6: he showed poise. You know, he's got five year starting experience,

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Speaker 6: which teams aren't gonna worry how he's a twenty four

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Speaker 5: They don't care about that. What they care about is

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Speaker 6: So and you know, and we haven't even gotten to

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Speaker 6: the Big three, which would be Drake May and Jayden

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Speaker 6: been smart for Drake May to throw here, and kind

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Speaker 6: my grade is higher with Jayden Daniels over Drake mat.

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Speaker 6: I think Drake May's got some things he's got to

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Speaker 6: prove in terms of accuracy, touch and I know you're

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Speaker 6: Being a guy who's going to be the biggest prospect,

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Speaker 6: him absolutely, you know, throwing next to guys like bo

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Speaker 6: Nix and Pinnicks who both have live arms, but no

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Speaker 6: one's going to look like Drake May. So I think

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to stay there real quick, Matt, Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 3: everything that you've seen so far, there's comparisons to Mahomes,

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Speaker 6: But overall number one, done deal. He's the guy, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think so. I don't think he's the best prospect

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Speaker 6: the two wide receivers. But Caleb Williams is a good prospect.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he's generational. People throw that word around

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Speaker 6: all the time, and no, I don't think he's Pat Mahomes.

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Speaker 6: And I think there's a lot of issues on tape.

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Speaker 6: He's got to get cleaned up. But you project the talent.

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Speaker 6: You project who he's going to be with pro offensive

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Speaker 6: Kayleb Williams upside is extremely high.

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Speaker 5: Lance Zerline.

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Speaker 1: You know Chris Ballard really really well, What's what's going

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Speaker 1: through his mind when it comes to taking the Colts

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Speaker 1: to the next level. What do you think his biggest

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Speaker 1: mission is going to be starting in this draft?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think his first mission is taking a picture

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Speaker 5: Me before I got in. He's like a sniper.

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Speaker 6: I'm just sitting there walking in the combine and he

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Speaker 5: Thone on his ear that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, but uh, you know, Chris is in that

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Speaker 6: that precarious spot, but it's an exciting spot of hey,

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Speaker 6: knows the deal. But at the same time, you have

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Speaker 6: you've you've got the ability to get stronger with the draft,

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Speaker 6: and you've got some young players who are continuing to

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Speaker 6: come on. Love what Josh Downs did last year, and

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Speaker 6: I think he's he was much more excited about the

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Speaker 6: offensive line play than the year before. You know, it

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Speaker 6: to speed. But it's a big year for the Colts.

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Speaker 6: You really need Richardson and you know, to to take

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Speaker 1: What's then, hypothetically, the best play for the Colts with

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Speaker 1: so much top end talent on offense at the top

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Speaker 1: of the draft, is it drafting the fourth or fifth

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Speaker 1: best playmaker on offense or maybe the first or second

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Speaker 6: Perhaps, well, I mean, you know, we get Chris Ballader

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Speaker 6: draft a corner in the first, that will be fun.

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Speaker 6: I guess you rock Rock you send was the last?

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Speaker 6: Chris just doesn't draft wide receivers and cornerbacks in the first.

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Speaker 6: That's kind of how he learned. He likes to build

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Speaker 6: I would do is I am taking a look at

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Speaker 6: corner first thing I'm doing. At sixteen, I certainly look

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Speaker 6: at Brock Bauers. I think you can't have enough special playmaker.

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Speaker 6: I think that gives Anthony Richardson a real safety blanket

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Speaker 6: unique matchup player and he's gonna test well. Ballard's gonna

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Speaker 6: But the explosive testing and something Ballad really loves. And

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Speaker 6: then you know, for me, though, I would look at corner.

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Speaker 6: I think there's some pretty good cornerbacks at sixteen or

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Speaker 5: Now you've got to be good at But you know,

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Speaker 5: I know Chris loves building the fronts and we'll see

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Speaker 5: what happen. Grover.

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Speaker 6: I think Grover will stick, but we'll see. But you know,

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Speaker 6: for me, I probably go off script a little bit

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Speaker 6: a look at a cornerback if I'm the Colts, and

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Speaker 3: From NFL dot Com and the NFL Network, we're talking

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft analyst lands Zerline those receivers. Boy oh boy,

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Speaker 3: you got a fifteenth overall pick. The draft is apparently

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Speaker 3: very heavy in receivers, and you mentioned two guys earlier.

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Speaker 3: I want to stick with you there. You can kind

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Speaker 3: of see in your head where Harrison's going first off

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Speaker 3: Is that accurate to say where Neighbors is going or

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Speaker 3: is there gonna be fireworks galore for people to get

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Speaker 5: I don't know. You know, I think you'd be surprised.

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Speaker 6: There's gonna be some teams that have Neighbors ahead of

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Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 4: Really I say that, and people don't want to say that,

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Speaker 6: Teams who have neighbors ahead and when I wrote them up,

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Speaker 6: neighbors are gonna be faster, He's gonna be more explosive.

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Speaker 6: Martin's not gonna work out at all. Martin's a great prospect.

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Speaker 6: I just think Neighbors is right there. I think they're

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Speaker 6: or second is to me irrelevant. But they're both extraordinary talents.

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Speaker 6: Marvin's more polished. I think the higher upside due to

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Speaker 6: his explosiveness, is going to be neighbors and ability to

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Speaker 6: win deep balls. But Romadunze is one of the best

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Speaker 6: ball winners you're going to find. You know, sixty one

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Speaker 6: contested catch rate. So it is a deep But what

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Speaker 5: The Colts have second round pick.

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Speaker 5: Say not that big of a drop off.

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Speaker 3: This is a this is a good friend of Chris

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Speaker 3: Ballard can kind of give it us a little bit.

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Speaker 5: So I wouldn't take anything I say is what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, I know you're busy as all get out here.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you sitting down, taking the time, letting us

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Speaker 3: pick your brain a little bit. Land Zer Line from

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Speaker 3: the NFL Draft Analysts so much appreciated.

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Speaker 4: Could do this all day, brother.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, appreciate you joining us now. From the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 3: Dane Brugler from the Athletic. We heard Chris Ballard speak

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Speaker 4: How does that in your eyes lay.

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Speaker 3: Out as far as the fifteen pick goes and beyond

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Speaker 3: with this wide receiver deep draft, You're right about that,

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Speaker 7: Wide receiver is gonna be a strength of every draft.

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Speaker 7: It's just that's where all the athletes are going, and

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Speaker 7: it seems every year we're seeing these guys go earlier

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Speaker 4: There's a very go okay, I know two of those receivers,

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Speaker 7: I think it's'll be Brian Thomas from LSU who you know,

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Speaker 7: He led the FBS and he's gonna run a four

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Speaker 7: And so I think that, you know, he's a guy

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Speaker 8: So what I've just been kind of, you know, reading,

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Speaker 7: I think he's closer to that first here. But I

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: lad mccunky's your guy, field stretcher, Okay, Troy Franklin makes sense.

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Speaker 3: NFL draft analysts from The Athletic does a great job.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk tight ends. The bell of the ball, if

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Speaker 3: you will on this tight end class is Bowers from Georgia.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a big separation from him

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Speaker 4: What do you like about this young man? What's the upside?

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Speaker 7: What don't you like? You know, it's his weaknesses are

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Speaker 7: You can tell him the film, you know, and then

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Speaker 4: He's gonna do just fine.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then you fail the guy and not even

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Speaker 7: and I just am confused where all the the question

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Speaker 7: marks are coming from. You know, I I understand if

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Speaker 7: you watch a Clemson game, you watch the NC State tape,

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Speaker 7: I get it.

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Speaker 8: Why.

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Speaker 7: You know, some of these reckless decisions are kind of

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Speaker 7: drive you mad. But you know you watch those games. Dinners,

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Speaker 7: receivers aren't getting open, they're running lazy routes, his offensive

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Speaker 7: line's not helping him, and he felt like I had

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Speaker 7: to do everything. And so to see people kind of

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Speaker 7: be a little a little too hard on on Drake

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Speaker 7: May about some of these decisions, I'm like, guys, you're

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Speaker 7: I think you're missing on a really good quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 7: when you drop a quarterback, he's got a lot of

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Speaker 7: what you look for.

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Speaker 4: Could he be throwing here?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I ideally we have one hundred percent participation

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Speaker 7: participation rate. You know, I'm not gonna It's not gonna

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Speaker 7: be something that's like, oh, I'm not gonna draft him now,

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Speaker 7: but obviously it's it's it's a missed opportunity, is what

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Speaker 7: it is. Because you know c J Stroud watching him

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Speaker 7: throw last year, it's the best throwing session I ever

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Speaker 7: saw was And I've come in here Kim Newton twenty eleven.

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Speaker 7: That was my first year at the combine and Cam

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Speaker 7: Newton is probably the worst that I saw throw and

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Speaker 7: he went still what number one overall? But yeah, CJ

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Speaker 7: last year was the best I've ever seen. I would

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Speaker 7: have loved to see him throw up. At the same time,

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Speaker 7: I know what he can do with his arm. I

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Speaker 7: more important for him this week will be interviews, just

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Speaker 7: making sure he crushes those when teams put him on

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Speaker 7: the white board, making sure he shows how smart he is.

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Speaker 7: He's a really great kid. So the interview process, more

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Speaker 7: than anything, is what's important for these quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: From the athletic Nobody better than Dan Brugler, and I

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Speaker 3: want to talk about the guy that you see in

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Speaker 3: the middle rounds, the freak if he will, the defender.

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Speaker 4: May be on that guy.

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Speaker 3: Who is that guy out there that he's not a

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Speaker 3: first round talent, but he could be an all pro

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Speaker 3: type of guy.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a couple of guys like that?

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Speaker 7: You know? I Andrew Phillips, the corner from Kentucky. I

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Speaker 7: think he's getting overlooked because again, if you're drafting one

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Speaker 7: of these guys outside the first few rounds, there's something

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Speaker 7: wrong with her.

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Speaker 4: There's something in that.

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Speaker 7: And the guy like Phillips, he didn't have any interceptions

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Speaker 7: in college. But I watch a tape and I see

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Speaker 7: with corners especially, I want guys that are fast and

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Speaker 7: one guys that are competitive. Those two. If I have

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Speaker 7: those two things, I know I have something to work with.

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Speaker 7: He''s got both those things in spades. I mean he is,

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Speaker 7: he's got the speed, and he will compete his butt off.

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Speaker 7: Reminds me a lot of Roger McCreery and the Titans,

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Speaker 7: who you know, it doesn't have the size, it doesn't

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Speaker 7: check that box, but man, he competes his butt off

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Speaker 7: and he's he's there starting Nickel. He's a really good player.

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Speaker 7: Andrew Phillips fits that mold. Who else? I mean the

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Speaker 7: Kansas pass rusher, I think he's awesome. Booker. He's a

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Speaker 7: guy that has length, he's got speed, He's just played

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Speaker 7: five hundred snaps in college. You know, he's just it's

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Speaker 7: a really incomplete evaluation, but he's there's more to him

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Speaker 7: than just what the flashes say and what the measurable say.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I think he's a guy that should

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Speaker 7: be going higher than where he's currently slotted. You know,

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Speaker 7: a really good player. But yeah, Heale's got a left

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Speaker 7: tackle this year who I love, Karen Almageji. He is

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Speaker 7: a guy that is going to be overlook because he

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Speaker 7: went the IVY League. He had a quad tear and October,

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Speaker 7: so he's not going to work out here. There's some

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Speaker 7: things working against him. But for a team that's a

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Speaker 7: little more forward thinking, long term thinking, you draft him

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Speaker 7: and kind of wherever your third fourth round, wherever he

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Speaker 7: ends up going, and I think, you know, two three

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Speaker 7: years from now, you've got a starter because he has

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Speaker 7: He's got the athleticism, he one for the way he moved,

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Speaker 7: the movement skills, he's really long, he's got a basketball background.

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Speaker 7: Smart kid, So look for that Yale tackle. He's a

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Speaker 7: guy we'll be talking about down the road.

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Speaker 8: Last one I want to ask you here the combine

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Speaker 8: being here in Indianapolis. It'll be here again next year, thankfully,

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Speaker 8: I had, Yeah, right, I kind of have this pet

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Speaker 8: theory that if the Combine moves from Indianapolis, you know,

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Speaker 8: coaches there already are coaching staffs that aren't here, you know,

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Speaker 8: And maybe if you move to LA maybe fewer coaches

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Speaker 8: are going, maybe go to Dallas, fewer coaches go If

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Speaker 8: one big time prospect decides I'm not going to the Combine,

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Speaker 8: could you ever put the toothpaste back in the tube

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Speaker 8: and would that be more likely to happen if the

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Speaker 8: NFL plucked the Combine from where it should be here

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Speaker 8: in Indianapolis and moved it somewhere else.

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Speaker 7: Now it's interesting. Honestly, part of me doesn't want to

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Speaker 7: even think about it, because it's just I don't want

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Speaker 7: to disrupt things. First of all, I really hope the

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Speaker 7: Combine stays here. I lived in Frisco for ten years.

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Speaker 7: I worked, I'd spent a lot of time at that

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Speaker 7: Star doing stuff with the Cowboys. Loved the facility. But

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Speaker 7: I don't want it to move from here. And I

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Speaker 7: don't know, nothing is more equipped, No place is more

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Speaker 7: equipped than here when you factor in everything, not just

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Speaker 7: you know, the space and the medical equipment and all that.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, I think it's an interesting because every I

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Speaker 7: know people are up in arms about Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 7: not working out, and I went back to I saw

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Speaker 7: I have the nineteen ninety six Combine report because I

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Speaker 7: wanted to see if his dad worked out, and he didn't.

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Speaker 7: He didn't work out of the combine. But I'm looking

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Speaker 7: up and down this list and all the players that

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Speaker 7: didn't work out that year. So this is a thing

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Speaker 7: that has been going on for thirty years now. If

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Speaker 7: a player came out and said I'm just not going, yeah,

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Speaker 7: that is where it gets tricky because that player must

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Speaker 7: think he has leverage because the number one and two

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Speaker 7: reasons you come to the combine, the medicals, and the interviews.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you don't want to work out, that's

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Speaker 7: one thing, But if you don't come at all, that's

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Speaker 7: a red flag because what are you hiding? You know,

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Speaker 7: is there something with your medical stuff? Because you can't

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Speaker 7: draft a guy without medical information. Right the game of

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Speaker 7: football is too physical. You just don't know what happened

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Speaker 7: in their past. You could have started every game in college,

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Speaker 7: but you don't know. There might be something that is

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Speaker 7: going to prevent him from finishing his rookie contract. So

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Speaker 7: you can't draft a player without having that medical info.

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Speaker 7: So if a player decides not to come to combine,

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Speaker 7: that's that's an issue. I don't I don't think it'll

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Speaker 7: be a common theme. I think I think players and

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Speaker 7: agents understand that. You know, like agents are the voice

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Speaker 7: that really guide these decisions. If a player doesn't want

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Speaker 7: to work out, you work around it, you figure it out.

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Speaker 7: I can't see a player deciding I'm just not going

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Speaker 7: to come at all.

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Speaker 3: Dane Brugman from the Athletic NFL Draft Analysts Last one

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Speaker 3: for me, appreciate the time day and these quarterbacks. Where

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Speaker 3: when are you surprised at after this first round is done?

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Speaker 4: Four?

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Speaker 3: Five, six? And my question with that is are these

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Speaker 3: all legitimate first round talents in your eyes? After the

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Speaker 3: bow Nixes of the world.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I see I have three first round grades

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Speaker 7: with with Caleb Williams, Drake May and Jane Daniels, and

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Speaker 7: then JJ McCarthy. I have a second round grade. He's

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Speaker 7: one of my top second round players this year, but

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Speaker 7: I think he's going to be a first round right.

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Speaker 7: I think it'll be a top twelve pick. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I think there's too much need and the question, I think,

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Speaker 7: where do Bo Nix and Michael Panox go. That's what

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Speaker 7: I'm interested to see because all it takes is one team.

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Speaker 7: Thirty one teams can believe their fourth round picks. All

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Speaker 7: it takes is one team, and you know, we could

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Speaker 7: see them sneak into that first round, no question about it.

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Speaker 7: I think it's probably more likely we see them go

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Speaker 7: early Day two. But yeah, it's anyone's guest because again,

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Speaker 7: all it takes is one team to really like a player.

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Speaker 7: So over under five quarterbacks in the first round, right,

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Speaker 7: I don't know what I ought to say, I really don't.

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Speaker 7: It's tough at this point. I probably have a better

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Speaker 7: answer when we get closer to than I have to

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Speaker 7: get a better feel for how some of these teams

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Speaker 7: are thinking in the first round. But yeah, I'm good

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Speaker 7: to see him throw tomorrow. It'll be good to see

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Speaker 7: him out there and good chance for JJ to go

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Speaker 7: make a statement. With the top three guys not throwing,

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Speaker 7: JJ's got a real shot to separate himself.

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Speaker 3: You heard it right there, best in the business. Dame Brugler,

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Speaker 3: the NFL draft analysts from the athletic and follow him

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Speaker 3: on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: X at DP Brugler. If you like football again at

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Speaker 4: DP Brougler. Dane.

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Speaker 3: Sure appreciate the time, love talking to you, and we

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Speaker 3: will see you next year right here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 7: And for years to come. I can't wait for years

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Speaker 7: to come. Thanks so much, anytime, guys,