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Speaker 1: Apparently America wants more college football, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: a lot more if we get to it. But welcome, Ralph.

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Speaker 1: The season has officially ended, right, it's over it It

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Speaker 2: That feels like an insult toward Miami.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean there's.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm jogging. You know, we still got the National championship. Love.

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Speaker 1: But it's so funny because you everywhere, did you look, Ralph?

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Speaker 1: You see everybody talking college football is broken. College football

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Speaker 1: It has never been higher. And now there was an

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Speaker 1: And I absolutely love this, Ralph. I love it because

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Speaker 2: That there's definitely more drama. It's constant, and I feel

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Speaker 2: But eventually, if it ends up not being a big

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Speaker 2: That was fun, But there's you know, I had so

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Speaker 2: It is something every day. Yes, they got something every day.

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Speaker 2: You can pick and choose the storylines that you follow

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Speaker 2: And I feel like college football is reaching that WWE

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Speaker 2: I agree, man, I you know, I think there's great

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Speaker 1: The best part about college football is what we're experiencing.

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Speaker 2: They remember in the nineteen eighties when construction in Miami

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Speaker 2: That is a city that money has passed through many

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Speaker 1: To get them by some bonuses.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be great, especially if they are

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Speaker 2: I it is my personal belief that all Miami fans

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Speaker 2: Which brings me to my next question, George, this twenty million,

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Speaker 1: I wish that.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was doing things the right way, but they're not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now you know you got twenty million dollars

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Speaker 1: Yes? And and do you know what the stupidest thing

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Speaker 1: if if running us, if driving one hundred miles an hour,

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Speaker 1: if they post signed speed limit, do not go over

433
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: this line, do not go over this speed and you know,

434
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: and nobody ever gets tickets for driving one hundred miles

435
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: miles an hour. How many people are going to drive

436
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: the speed limit? Ralph oh, I feel you.

437
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: We've done this in this country a million different times.

438
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: It's very funny for you know, college football fans to

439
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: be frustrated, like we're asking Congress for help and they're

440
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: not helping us. We've been asking Congress for health care

441
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: and better roads and everything like that. And I do

442
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: believe there are a lot of abolitionists in this country

443
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: asking Congress for something really specific for about eighty years

444
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, no, I love that idea in theory,

445
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: and then it's like, well, you got to give up yours.

446
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: Then it's like, ah, I lost my pen a loss.

447
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 2: I can't sign today, wife has cholera, can't take the DC.

448
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh, we'll come back and do that tomorrow.

449
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: But the but the thing that this is done, Ralph,

450
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: is that the idea that there's no enforcement. We've had

451
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: the College Sports Commission for like seven months already eight

452
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: months already, and it's and and the and the leadership

453
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: of it. Oh, what's the what's the guy's name who

454
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: leads it? Who was like the the the college sports

455
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: commissions are that the guy who came over from MLB,

456
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: who dealt out all the punishments and everything. We ain't

457
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: heard this dude's name since he got announced. We ain't

458
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: heard a ruling, we ain't heard, and nobody getting it

459
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: nothing because there's no enforcement power. And until there's enforcement

460
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: power there there's two things that have to happen for

461
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: college football to be unbroken. Number one, this there has

462
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: to be some enforcement power. And number two, collective bargaining

463
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: is the only way forward. The the players have to

464
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: essentially unionize, whether you count them as employees, giving them

465
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: a special exemption, whatever. They have to be able to

466
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: unit unionize and have representation negotiate with one entity, not

467
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: with the SEC, not with the Big Ten, not with

468
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: the ACC because they all have different cont contracts. Think

469
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: about this, Miami's looking for a quarterback. Do you know what?

470
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: They're not looking for a quarterback at Ralph High School?

471
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: The Big Ten because them Big ten cont contracts are

472
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: pretty ironclad. And we learned that with Deman Williams. Guess

473
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: which conference they're they're they're they're looking for a quarterback out.

474
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: Of I guess the SEC or the Big twelve where

475
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: everybody's taking quarterbacks.

476
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: From the ACC. Buddy, they're they're trying to get people

477
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: to leave that have already re signed m M because

478
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: they believe that they can get them out of those

479
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: cont contracts we saw Miami doing with Xavier Lucas in

480
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and then the Big Ten then change their contract

481
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: after that.

482
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: So so you said we hadn't heard from Brian Seely.

483
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: He did give one quote yesterday and we'll read it

484
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: to you, and I think it reinforces everything that you

485
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: just said. This is this is Brian Seely. He said,

486
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: if there was a time to stick your neck out,

487
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: it's now. My sense is that the vast majority of

488
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: schools who want to sign that they want to sign this.

489
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: But I suspect if a school wants this, you're thinking,

490
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: why am I gonna stick my neck out if other

491
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: schools won't also sign if there was a time to

492
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: stick your neck.

493
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: Out party, they're gonna have to have a signing party. Hey, guys,

494
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: come on, come on, We're gonna have a signing party.

495
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Everybody sign it at the same time, and nobody's signature

496
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: counts unless everybody signs it. You guys gotta like a

497
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: game show where like there's like green, green, green greenh

498
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: what did you do, Syracuse? Well, like that's that's the

499
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: way it needs to be. But you also had another

500
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: acc team, Virginia Tech. They just got a boatload of money.

501
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: They just got a huge donation from a booster. UCLA

502
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: just got seventeen million dollars for football and basketball from

503
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: a donor who passed away. And then how much the

504
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech get donated.

505
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: I think it was like twenty million minus the eight

506
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: hundred thousand they just paid the James Madison and I

507
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: have to play them next year.

508
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: Yo, that's a lot of bread. But but the issue is, like, again,

509
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: how long does that bread go? Is that one year

510
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: worth of bread? That wu, that would be crazy. I

511
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna have to have some sort of

512
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: endowment system or private equity system to be able to

513
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: fuel these rosters, or you're gonna have to be able

514
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: to salary case. Because the the issue is this is

515
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: that the money just keeps going up and up and

516
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: up and up and up and up and up, especially

517
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: for premium positions like quarterback. Because if you're Miami, how

518
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: much you willing to pay for a quarterback for next year?

519
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Whatever it costs now, right because you don't have one.

520
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rate is what the for the high end

521
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: is six is what people can compare to, right yep.

522
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: So if someone says like I want what he got,

523
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: then you gotta pay it if you are to.

524
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: If somebody is making four and a half for three

525
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: and a half at their school and they're like, yo,

526
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: you want me to pick up and leave? I many seven? Man,

527
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: it's too much? Okay, Well I'll stay where I'm at

528
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: because I'm not leaving for an incremental pay raise. Nah, bro,

529
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: I like it where I'm at. They like me where

530
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm at.

531
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's just it. It's got to be back

532
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: pay too, because you're if you look at what happened

533
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: in Demon Williams. And I've known Demon Williams for a

534
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: long time. You've known Demon for a long time. I

535
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: think he's a good kid.

536
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: Yep.

537
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't love his decision making, but I'm not him,

538
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: so you know. But you are paying for someone's loss

539
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: of access to that city for the rest of their

540
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: life when you rip the heart out of these fans,

541
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: Because do a lot of these fans. It's not just

542
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: about the big money. You got people who were kicking

543
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: in out of their family budget. They're kicking in forty

544
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: five bucks a month to the local college football program,

545
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: hoping that it makes some sort of a difference than

546
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: that they get to take their kids to these games

547
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: and they get to see the same players from more

548
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: than one year. Those people, when they are upset, are justified.

549
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're justifying some of the stuff that

550
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: they say out loud. Everybody should make the right choice

551
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: all the time. I think we're all on the same

552
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: page there. Just treat people with kind You should treat

553
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: people with care. But there is weeping and gnashing and

554
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: teeth every time one of these athletes that says that

555
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: they're committed to a certain situation, backs up on that

556
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: and goes somewhere else where the resources are. And yeah,

557
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: it's gonna make a couple of big donors upset, but

558
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: it's really gonna hurt the people who are dipping into

559
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: their own food funds, healthcare funds, school supply funds to

560
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: support their alma monter. Because shit's tough out here, man.

561
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: So like, if you're gonna pay me to come to

562
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: your school, you're gonna pay for the fact that I

563
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: can't ever come back to this city, that my name

564
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: is going to be a curse in that land.

565
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. There's a premium on that. There's one

566
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: hundred percent of premium, and it should be because there

567
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: should be some level of I don't know, because I

568
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: think that a lot of these kids aren't placing value

569
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: on or don't understand the alumni value network worth right.

570
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: So had I transferred out, mind you, I left Oregon

571
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: my my junior year, But that's acceptable because I went

572
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Had I left like like uh, Travis

573
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: Dye and went to USC and then come back to

574
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: Oregon Like, hey, people ducks for life. They're how they

575
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: treat Travis Dye now? They're like, hey, where's your brother

576
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: at where's Troy? Bring Troy with you, Like, we don't

577
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: want want you unless Troy's there, and then we're gonna

578
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: put you next to the bathroom and we're gonna put

579
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: him at the best table in the restaurant.

580
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: So, well, let's talk about the actual process of this,

581
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: because ty Simpson's going through it. He gave a story

582
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 2: to Chris Lowe of On three and he went really

583
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: really into detail with the fact that people were trying

584
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: to get him in the in the portal. Uh. Miami

585
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: fans hate his quote about saying like, if I went

586
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: to Miami, I'd just be another guy that took the money.

587
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: And they, you know, they hate that because that's not

588
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: how they think of Carson Beck. That's not how they

589
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: think of cam Ward. But of course that's not how

590
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: they think of those guys. He's talking about everybody else, right,

591
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: So this is what ty Simpson had to say, and

592
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: he went into detail. Now, mind you, ty Simpson was

593
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: never in the portal, correct, correct? Okay, So ty Simpsons

594
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: said the offers were pouring into his agent. Miami and

595
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: Tennessee both said they would pay him four million. Ole

596
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: miss also jumped in around the four million mark. Eventually

597
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: Miami ran up the tab to six and a half.

598
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: Miami was kind of like, all right, we're moving on.

599
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 2: And then they lost out on Sam Levitt and came

600
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: back with the six and a half, and then Ole

601
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: Miss called back and said that they would match it.

602
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: And so you have all these people in a bidding

603
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: war for somebody who has said that like, I want

604
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: to be known as a member of the Alabama and

605
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: tied of the last Saban staff going into the Dibori staff.

606
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: I waited my turn to wear this uniform. Now I'm

607
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: getting first round grades and I want to be remembered

608
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: in Tuscaloosa.

609
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So the fact that he's getting first round grades,

610
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: that's an acceptable decision if you're quinn Ewers who got

611
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: drafted in the seventh round. And he said somebody offered

612
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: him eight million dollars, which I don't believe, but but

613
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: let's say it was six, say it was five. That's

614
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: more than it the value of his entire rookie contract. Man,

615
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: if you don't go, go go get that money. And

616
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: then and in that situation, I wouldn't have even blamed him,

617
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: because that was a unique situation because they wanted Arche

618
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: to play anyway. So Texas fans would have still embraced

619
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: him it particularly if he went out the right way.

620
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: If he were like Yo, I would love to stay

621
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: at Texas. I want to be here, but I know

622
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: it's Archer's tired right now.

623
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: So I want to read you two quotes.

624
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: Pr spent the hell out of that.

625
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: I want to read you two quotes because one of

626
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: them is I think the red meat that fans want

627
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: to hear from the people that they recruit at a

628
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: high school. This is he said, everybody would just remember

629
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: me as the guy who took all this money and

630
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: went to Miami or Tennessee for his last year. But

631
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: I was a captain. I put my hand in the

632
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: footprints in the cement at Denny Chimes. I would have

633
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: lost everything that I built at Alabama. I think that's

634
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: what fans want to hear. They want to believe that

635
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: that loyalty still exists. And the other thing he said,

636
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: George was that he asked Nick Saban for advice, and

637
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: you gotta love that people still going to save and

638
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: even though he's got a head coach at Alabama and

639
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: Kitlin devor, but he went to Nick Saban for advice.

640
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: And this is what Nick Saban told him. Let's say

641
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: that everyone who wants you, everyone who wants you, was

642
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: paying you zero dollars next year. Where would you go?

643
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: That was Saban's advice. Would you go to the NFL?

644
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: Would you go to Miami? Would you go to Tennessee?

645
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: Would you try to find a way to stay here

646
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: even though they're ready to move on because they got

647
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: great options behind you and his heart was in the NFL,

648
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: he'd been in college for a while.

649
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: Good decision. Yeah, yeah, I'm not mad at it. I'm

650
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: not mad at that decision at all.

651
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: But Peter Burns, Peter Burns says, George, they're gonna have

652
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: to up the rookie pay scale here in a minute,

653
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: do you think that's true that to coax guys into

654
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: the NFL because you got Dante more sticking around, you

655
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: got other guys saying that they're going to stay in college.

656
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: Is the NFL gonna have to adjust to compete with

657
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: college football?

658
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think so. Because ty Ty

659
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: Simpson just turned down the money, there's gonna be plenty

660
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: of people who turned down the money. But the but

661
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: the thing is is you're actually probably gonna get more

662
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: people back who don't need to go in the draft,

663
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: who need more seasoning, who need another season. Those are

664
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: the people that you're probably going to get back, which

665
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: is better for the NFL because now you're putting better

666
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: players in the NFL who are more prepared to go

667
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: into the league, and so you shrink the pool. It's

668
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: it's like when the NBA took high school players out

669
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: of the draft, Like, yes, there's the occasional Kevin Garnett,

670
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, you know, like those those guys, but the

671
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: majority of them don't pan out, so it makes it

672
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: very So you've wasted a draft pick, you've wasted money.

673
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: And then now the one and done's are easier to predict.

674
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: But just like older players are easier to predict, So

675
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: the more data and everything that you have on players,

676
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: the more efficient that your scouting process is going to be.

677
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: So I like it. I like it. I like it

678
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: a lot.

679
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: So when people say Dante will never be higher, he

680
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: made a mistake because his stock will never be higher,

681
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: that's what you're talking.

682
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: About, yes, which I think is foolish anyway, because the

683
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: idea that you need to go when your stock is highest.

684
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: That's not it. You need to go when you're ready,

685
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: because sometimes our talent takes us to places that we're

686
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: not mentally, spiritually, and emotionally ready for it. Now, if

687
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: you're Anthony Richardson and you're a quote unquote project, you

688
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: may not be If he went back to college, he

689
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: may not be a top pick the next year. Smashing,

690
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: grab baby, and hope that you work it out. I

691
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: would advise that smash and grab. So I I if

692
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: my kid were Anthony Richardson son, we gotta go, baby.

693
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: This is this is a robbery. Put hands up. And

694
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: if I am Dante More, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

695
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: whoa whoa son, Son, Son, Let's let's pump our breaks,

696
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: let's get paid. Let's be ready because ours because we're

697
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: focusing on second contract. When you worry about this first contract,

698
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: the first contract will be be there, and he's gonna

699
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: be a top five pick next year too, even though

700
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: people are like his stock will never be higher. If

701
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: you the truth, you'll be the truth next year too.

702
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: Well. Speaking of the truth, uh, you you are a

703
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: very good college player. You went in the NFL Draft.

704
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: You played for what I consider to be you know,

705
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: maybe not to the masses, but in college football. You know,

706
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 2: legendary college coach. What would you have done if before

707
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: your your junior year you got a letter from your

708
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: legendary college foot coach and I'm gonna read it to you.

709
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: Dated August third, nineteen seventy seven. This is from legendary

710
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: Florida State head coach Bobby Baden, winner of many many

711
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: national championships. This is the letter that he sent to

712
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: his players before they reported. I just want to know

713
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: how you would have reacted to this. Dear seminal, report

714
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: in top physical condition when you come in on August nineteenth.

715
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: We do not have time to wait for anyone to

716
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: get in shape. We depart for Southern Mississippi three weeks

717
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: after you report, and I'm looking for the fifty toughest

718
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: men to go with me. Fat people will be left

719
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: behind in their tracks. Kicking, kicking, conditioning, and execution will

720
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: win the opener. The only thing you must do is

721
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: be in better condition than your opponent, no matter how

722
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: good he is. Have your hair cut before you report.

723
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: No beards, no mustache below your upper lip, sideburns, no

724
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: lower than your ear lobes. No hair sticking out in

725
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: the front of your helmet and flaring out below the

726
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: back rim. Keep a rose normal or braid it. Bring

727
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 2: a coat and tie and dress shirt with you for trips.

728
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: We will dress like men, not children. Be sure to

729
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: have your head screwed on right when you get here.

730
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: We will work toward one common goal.

731
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Have your head screwed on right?

732
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: That's such an ambiguous term. That's like saying, don't come

733
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: over here with that BS, Like, what's the what's the b?

734
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: I do?

735
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this last sentence. We will work toward

736
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: one common goal when you report, and that is to

737
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: get the fifty best men ready to get after Southern Mississippi.

738
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: If you do not make the top fifty, be disciplined

739
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: enough to make us a better team through hustling, good morale.

740
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: We need everybody leave all pets at home. I do

741
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: not want them in our housing.

742
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Bro that that wasn't a letter. That was a conversation,

743
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: or Nick Saban would say that that's not a what

744
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: No conversation. That was ass chewing, Like that was a

745
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: talking to, that's what that was. That was a talking

746
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: to they let everybody.

747
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: Help me with this one. Keep afros normal? Help me there.

748
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. Does that mean

749
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: no gummy cut? Does that? I mean? I don't even

750
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: know what that means? Normal? What is what is a

751
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: normal afro? It's an afro, It's an actual hairstyle. So

752
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: does he mean like like like no swaggy swaggy pea

753
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: cut that didn't even exist at the time, No, a

754
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: fro hawk.

755
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy seven.

756
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know what that means, a normal

757
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: afro whatever, But I do know that he wrote them

758
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: individual well he didn't write it, but that somebody actually typed.

759
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if they photo copied these or if somebody

760
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: individually typed everyone or they put it well, actually, in

761
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: seventy seven, I think they had word processing then, right,

762
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: like the word processors. Yeah, yeah, so they might have

763
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: just had to just put it fifty copies and then

764
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: they can nail it to you.

765
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: I have a question for you, what do you think

766
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: Bobby Bowden would think of Caleb Williams.

767
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: What he had super long hair at first, had his

768
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: nails painted. Uh, you know.

769
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think Caleb Williams gets this

770
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: letter from Bobby Bowden.

771
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: He would have never recruited him. Actually, no, no, he

772
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: would have because he's a good player. He's a player.

773
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we might we might have seen Bobby Bowden

774
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: with some acrylics if you had Caleb william was on

775
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: his team back in the day, you might have had

776
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: a whole different Bobby Bowden.

777
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: You are right.

778
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: Would you have been offended by this your junior year

779
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: of college?

780
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: No? No, because I mean in nineteen seventy seven, this

781
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: is how people talk to people. So I would not

782
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: have been offended. I'd have been like, oh, well, coaches,

783
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: just like everybody else.

784
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: Like if your parents had got this letter, would they

785
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: have been like, oh, this is the right.

786
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: Man to be playing he Oh yeah, that'd have been like, yeah, yes, son.

787
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: I don't think this. I don't think this letter was

788
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: for the kids.

789
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: My dad, Ralph, he didn't even let me walk around

790
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: with my shirt untucked. So how do you think you

791
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: would have felt about this?

792
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: Same way?

793
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: My dad didn't like me wearing black shoes. He was

794
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: like bread supposed to wear white shoes. He didn't like

795
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: dark shoes.

796
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: It's the same way my dad would feel if he

797
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: saw this clip and my hat was on backwards, that's yeah,

798
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: he'd be like, what do you got an attitude like

799
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: matter of fact? I do.

800
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: My mom, Oh okay, so we were where are we going?

801
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: We were going somewhere last week and my wife goes,

802
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: oh that Oh. On Sunday, we had to take pictures.

803
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: I coach Romans six year old basketball team. Okay, it's

804
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: picture day. I go to own sweats and a black

805
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: T shirt and I had, like I always have on Oh,

806
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: oh is this your picture outfit that supposed to be?

807
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: Yes?

808
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: Actually, yes it is. What am I supposed to wear?

809
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: A six year old? Uh? Uh? Basketball? And you know

810
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: what the name of our team is? What the chicken Jockeys?

811
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: So you're dressed for the occasion exactly. All right, Let's hey,

812
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: let's skip this. Let's get this USC Notre Dame thing,

813
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: because it makes me upset to even think about. And

814
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: there never will be an answer as to who is

815
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: to blame, because both parties are stupid for canceling their game.

816
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: But I do want to bring up this Jordan Seaton thing.

817
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: You know, he's a number one offensive tackle coming out

818
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: of high school. He announced his commitment I believe was

819
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: on Pat mcavie's show. He went to Colorado with the

820
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: specific purpose of, you know, the attention, the ten million

821
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: viewers per game that they were getting was gonna be

822
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: big for him and his family situation. He's trying to

823
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: buy his mom a house after a year there. A

824
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: bunch of his teammates jumped in the portal and he

825
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: issued a statement about how like the that's not brotherhood,

826
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: and he's been an interesting cat this whole time, and

827
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: now he's in the portal and this is something you

828
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: told me was gonna happen a couple of weeks before

829
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: it even happened. But the brotherhood stuff is interesting in

830
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: the light of him being in the portal right now.

831
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: Colorado fans are definitely a little upset that he seemed

832
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: to have solicited his cousin from Ohio State they thought

833
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: to come play with him at Colorado. Turns out, you know,

834
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: he's just to play with him in general, at maybe

835
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: some other destination. Colorado fans feel played. There's a few

836
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: Colorado fans I'm not sure if they're head screwed on straight.

837
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: They were posting pictures of Travis Hunter saying this is

838
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: what loyalty looks like and you know, Jackson State fans

839
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: are looking at that tweet like, and Florida State too,

840
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: Florida State too, and so you know where everybody everybody

841
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: is either the thief or the victim in modern college football.

842
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: But I think Jordan Seaton is a fascinating kid. He

843
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: might have gotten himself into a little bit of hot

844
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: water on the way out the door soliciting a graphic

845
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: that he I'd have applied for him to announce. I

846
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: got some people who work in graphic departments and college

847
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: football programs. They are pissed. This is their like hot top,

848
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: Like how journalists we're all talking about that Jacksonville reporter,

849
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: this is their hot topic, like they he is enemy

850
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: number one right now of the graphic design folks. But

851
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: I just want to get your thoughts on this whole

852
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: Jordan's seat and saga. I think he was only at

853
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: Colorado because that's where all the attention was at the time,

854
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: And he does have clear goals as far as what

855
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: he's trying to accomplish before he gets to the NFL.

856
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: The program doesn't look so good right now, you know,

857
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: I don't feel like he's really switched up his energy.

858
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: I think he's just young and he's made some statements

859
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: that are looking back, are going to be a little unfortunate.

860
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Yes, it's hard because he wants to win, I believe,

861
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: and he's like, we're far away from winning right now.

862
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: At college at Colorado, they're doing the same thing for

863
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: the third year in a row with the with the

864
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: transfer portal, like bringing everybody in in the or just

865
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: the fourth year in a row. Either either way, bringing

866
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: everybody in in the portal, running everybody out, running everybody

867
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: like it's like a revolving damn door. It's like the

868
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: coach got got fired. And so he probably wants to

869
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: win and play for something significant, and that's why he

870
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: may end up elsewhere. So I can't be upset for that.

871
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: But the price tag, it was gonna cost at least

872
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: two and a half million dollars to get him out

873
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: of the portal. He's a stone cold first round NFL tackle,

874
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: and there are people who want that, there are people

875
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: who need that, and so we're gonna see where he

876
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: lines up. I ends up. I have a filly where

877
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: he lined where he ends up. Texas was trying to

878
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: get a tackle. They were they were after him too,

879
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: But they just signed a tackle from Wake Forest who's

880
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: a good pass blocker, no sacks this year, giving up,

881
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: so that that may mean Seaton might might be on

882
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: the way to the Pacific Northwest. So you know, so

883
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: if you didn't see it on if you're listening to

884
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: this on audio, I pointed toward a helmet of a

885
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: very good college football team. It's no longer playing right

886
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: right now, but they're one of the biggest brands of

887
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: college football.

888
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 2: Quack quack, all right, what's our last topic of the day.

889
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: You want to talk about? Uh, you want to talk

890
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: about Kyle Whittingham peeling back the onion a little bit

891
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: on Oh my god, you.

892
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Year this this this this Ralph. I was shocked when

893
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: I heard Kyle Whittingham when he was on talking to

894
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: Irvin Meyer and said that he was talking about Bryce

895
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: Underwood and the regression that happened from the beginning of

896
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: the season to the end of the season. Footwork was bad,

897
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: everything was just bad. Kyle Whittingham said that he did

898
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: not have a dedicated quarterback coach this season, and that

899
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: is if true, that is that's a fireable offense for

900
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 1: Sharon Moore. I know he got fired for something else,

901
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: but they should hire him back just so they can

902
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: fire him for cause. Actually never never mind, they did

903
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: fire him for cause. Never mind, but that you spend

904
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: all that money on a quarterback, you play him probably

905
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: before he's ready, and then you don't even give him

906
00:54:53,960 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: the tools to grow. That's six levels of silly.

907
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: So you and I have had this and shout out

908
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: to if anybody is a long time listener to the

909
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: Pac twelve slash college football apostles. You and I have

910
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: had this conversation. I guess I'm a little bit confused

911
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: by your reaction because you have said the expectation. The

912
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: expectation is that quarterbacks are trained outside of college. That

913
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get necessarily better in season or at

914
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: school like you, you gotta be getting trained up on

915
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: your own, dedicated, whether it's Taylor Kelly or you know

916
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: some of these guys out and out in Arizona that

917
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: have a bunch of guys.

918
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: Like trained with Now. In addition to Taylor who camp

919
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: Cam Rising, hell of a quarterback coach. Hell of a

920
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: quarterback coach.

921
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: That's cool. I didn't know that he was that that's

922
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 2: where he had dedicated his his energy. That's very good.

923
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: He's the officer coordinator in in high school.

924
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: And yeah, I was about to say, is he even

925
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: old enough to be offensive coordinator? But yes, he definitely,

926
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: he definitely is. Yes, he was alive in at least

927
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: for part of the nineteen hundreds, I believe.

928
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: Yes.

929
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 2: So so you think you think that that Kyle Whittingham

930
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 2: can get a dedicated quarterback coach in there, that we're

931
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: going to see the Bryce Underwood that after about three

932
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: weeks of the season you were saying he could be.

933
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Yes, bro, Yes, I think that's what Beck is going

934
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: to do. Their office coordinator. I think he's a quarterback

935
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: coach too. Yes, somebody's got to coach. And when when

936
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: I say that, you got to get trained up outside

937
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: of it. Yes, but during the season, somebody's got to

938
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: be breaking down film with you, talking about where your

939
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: reads are. Those types of things the quarterback coaches can't

940
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: really help you with. That's where the quarterback coach is

941
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: for your in season stuff, the stuff that has to

942
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: do in particular with this offense, not your mechanics necessarily

943
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. They're there to help you with

944
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: the on field performance and the knowledge part of it,

945
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: not necessarily the mechanical part of it.

946
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: So my question for you is this, George, do you

947
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: think when it is all said and done, Bryce Underwood

948
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: will break Michigan's single season passing touchdown record?

949
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: How many?

950
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: And do you know what that number is? Take a guess.

951
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: So it ain't that big. I'm gonna go with let

952
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: me see best Michigan quarterbacks of all time to Tom

953
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: Brady is not gonna come up on that.

954
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: The record is tied between Chad Henny and Elvis Kirbach.

955
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so the record technically been old since

956
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: now you're gonna be like thirty two, probably little less

957
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: than that. Yeah, twenty eight, keep going, twenty five, twenty five.

958
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: Wait, nobody in Michigan history has ever thrown more than

959
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: twenty five touchdowns in a season.

960
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: That is correct that only two people have thrown twenty

961
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: five touchdowns. John navar Is tied for is third with

962
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: twenty four touchdowns in two thousand and three.

963
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: How many did the great JJ McCarthy throw twenty two?

964
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 2: Will he get it? I'm rooting for him.

965
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: Okay, let me see Cam rising Utah stats. Okay, so

966
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: Cam Rising at Utah. Oh he threw for twenty six

967
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: touchdowns in twenty twenty two. Okay, and uh, let's see

968
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley. I know he ain't throw no more than that, right.

969
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: Maybe I think we're supposed to call him snoop?

970
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: Now, no, his most was nineteen Ooh.

971
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: Do you think if Bobby Bowden coach Tyler Huntley he

972
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: would call him snoop?

973
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: Hell no? Hell no? All right, so I'm gonna go

974
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: with yes, he will break it, but not this season

975
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: the following season.

976
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So would you put a bet on that on polymarket?

977
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: And should we be able to do this.

978
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: If you put it on polymarket, Ralph, It's not a bet,

979
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: it's a prediction market. And this thing that people have

980
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: to understand the difference in. So you have poly markets

981
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: and you got caut you right, those are prediction sites.

982
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: Those are not betting sites. Prediction sites, and they don't

983
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: have the same regulation as like prize picks or or

984
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: DraftKings or FanDuel who they have to report suspicious betting

985
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: habits or betting patterns, but they're federally regulated in that

986
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: way prediction markets. Oh and on those you're paying you're

987
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: playing against the house in the prediction market. You're playing

988
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: against other prediction betters, wagers, excuse or whatever the proper

989
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: for non term is, so for that you're going against them.

990
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: So it's totally different. And now there's attempt to be

991
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: regulation because there's no difference in that than prop betting

992
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: if we're really being honest, because it can be manipulated.

993
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: And now today they got announced that all sorts of

994
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: that twenty people got arrested surrounding betting. Now, the funny

995
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: part about this is is when you look at the

996
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: teams that are named, you got like somebody A and

997
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: T Kennesaw State, McNiss, like, you got smaller schools, black

998
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: college schools, stuff like that that are underfunded, and you

999
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: got hundreds of thousands of dollars betting put on these games,

1000
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: which is a complete outlier. Right, nobody's betting on these

1001
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: games at such a high level unless they have some

1002
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: sort of inside information on it. Well, do you know

1003
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: what used to be the most corrupt sport ralph in

1004
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: terms of betting?

1005
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: Tell me.

1006
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: Tier two tennis? Yes, bro, like the like Like, we're

1007
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: not talking about the people that play in the French Open.

1008
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: We're talking about the people that like play in the

1009
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: Miami Open Indian Wales, but don't really win. They don't

1010
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: go to the majors, like like those like they're good players.

1011
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: Like we're talking about people from like one hundred and

1012
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: one to like two hundred and fifty ranked. Those people

1013
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: are susceptible because if you offer them one hundred thousand

1014
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: dollars to throw a match, it don't matter to them.

1015
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: They're ranked number two hundred and eighty anyway.

1016
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could retire. Yeah, They're like, I'm paying to

1017
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: go to these tournaments.

1018
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: Yes, so now that means that, Okay, if I take

1019
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: a bribe here, then I can go play play normal

1020
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: after that, and maybe that's the thing that I need

1021
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: to pay for my training to get to the next level.

1022
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: It's a bad oy. This is a tough situation.

1023
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: This type of splitting hairs feels very much George, and

1024
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. But like your girl coming

1025
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: up to you and being like, hey, why did I

1026
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: see you were hanging out with your ex and your

1027
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: response is like, well, technically we were never dating.

1028
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1029
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: That's what's you're trying to explain the difference between everything.

1030
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: We were. We were just hanging out, we were friends,

1031
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: but occasionally we would, you know, have a little flesh time.

1032
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,479
Speaker 2: Well, so that's I hate that phrase so much.

1033
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: What did you I knew I said it like that

1034
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: on purpose. I knew you'll bug you.

1035
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: You know what though, you know what, though we have

1036
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: ended this podcast so many times with me flustering you

1037
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 2: that I think now is a good time for you

1038
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: to get your get back start twenty twenty six off

1039
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: right and just call it because.

1040
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: I do not show sober people like share, subscribe, get

1041
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: notification forgot to tell you that earlier, and get some

1042
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: flesh time when you can't.

1043
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: Jesus stop