Speaker 1: Colson Media.
Speaker 2: Oh, who's got ed?
Speaker 3: That's not how we start these episodes.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's how we're starting this one, Garrison, it's already begun.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening
Speaker 3: in the White House, the krumbling world, and what it
Speaker 3: means for you.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's right, motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: That's Robert Evans. I'm Garrison Davis. I'm also joined by
Speaker 3: Mia Wong and James Stout. This week, we are covering
Speaker 3: the week of June eighteen to June twenty five.
Speaker 2: That's right, a good week where nothing but good things happened,
Speaker 2: assuming you are someone who manufactures thirty pound gravity utilizing
Speaker 2: bunker busting bombs.
Speaker 4: Thirty pound, that's quite a small one. Thirty thousand, thirty thousand,
Speaker 4: that's a thirty thousand. Sorry, Anyway, we're talking about Iran.
Speaker 4: We're gonna start with Iran. We're gonna start with a
Speaker 4: nuclear program, and I think we should start.
Speaker 2: We need to start by giving the Cool Zone Media
Speaker 2: cool kid's guide for how to enrich uranium.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't want to get arrested robbers, now, Mia,
Speaker 1: it's not illegal to tell people how to enrich uranium.
Speaker 2: Google will do it, and I assume they're correct. Robert,
Speaker 2: it is legal for white people to do this.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's legal for me to do this.
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Look, if I've learned
Speaker 2: one thing, it's that it's okay for white people to
Speaker 2: talk about any kind of bomb on the internet. So
Speaker 2: we'll be fine. I'll be fine. That's what matters, Robert.
Speaker 2: Do I have kidnapping insurance? Do we have an extraction
Speaker 2: team for me when I go to ice prints?
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 2: We have an extraction team, but it's not the cool
Speaker 2: kind anyway. So let's talk about how to make nukes.
Speaker 2: Because one thing you'll constantly hear whenever the US or
Speaker 2: is Reel talks about Aron's nuclear program is that they're
Speaker 2: just three to eight months away, right, there are weeks
Speaker 2: so way, this is what you'll hear sometimes just takingly
Speaker 2: if you three months is a number of weeks away whatever.
Speaker 3: And they've been saying this for longer than I've been alive.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. It's technically correct, not in a way
Speaker 2: that like is correct in the way they are trying
Speaker 2: to push it, but in a way that is like
Speaker 2: literally correct, which is that Iran paused their nuclear program
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three. The current Ayatola has not
Speaker 2: given the command to start it up again. There is
Speaker 2: no evidence that it is currently operative. Back in March,
Speaker 2: US military intelligence the DIA concluded that there was no
Speaker 2: indication Iran had decided or attempted to restart their nuclear program.
Speaker 2: That said, it has been true since two thousand and
Speaker 2: three that they are potentially about three months or so
Speaker 2: away from having a nuke because of the way that
Speaker 2: making nukes work. So in order to make the standard
Speaker 2: kind of nuclear weapon that we're talking about here, you
Speaker 2: need a bunch of enriched uranium, right, and there's two
Speaker 2: kinds of uranium. There's two thirty five in the two
Speaker 2: thirty eight, and naturally they always show up together, and
Speaker 2: there's always a lot more two thirty eight than two
Speaker 2: thirty five, and two thirty eight is fucking bullshit. If
Speaker 2: you're trying to make yourself a bomb, right, you want
Speaker 2: the two thirty five. And I'm not going to go
Speaker 2: into a ton of detail about like how you do this,
Speaker 2: but because of just the nature of how uranium two
Speaker 2: thirty five and two thirty eight work. They're chemically identical,
Speaker 2: so you can't use chemical reactions to separate them, right,
Speaker 2: So you can't use any of the easy ways that
Speaker 2: you would like separate one from the other in order
Speaker 2: to concentrate the kind of uranium that they want. The
Speaker 2: only way to actually do that is by using a centrifuge,
Speaker 2: which is, in short, uses the magic of spinning in
Speaker 2: order to separate out the uranium that you want from
Speaker 2: their uranium that's not very useful to you. And Iran
Speaker 2: has a substantial quantity of like sixty percent enriched uranium,
Speaker 2: which is basically one step away from ninety percent, which
Speaker 2: is like what you need to actually build the bomb
Speaker 2: that they need. And they've had a shitload of this
Speaker 2: uranium sitting around for a while, right, because it keeps well,
Speaker 2: and theoretically, if they were to start their program up again,
Speaker 2: it would be theoretically possible to enrich it in fairly
Speaker 2: short order to the concentration that you need. Right And
Speaker 2: at that point, once you have a sufficient quantity, and
Speaker 2: you'll hear slightly different numbers, but generally agreed that they
Speaker 2: have a sufficient quantity of uranium that is fairly enriched
Speaker 2: that if they were to finish the process, they can
Speaker 2: make somewhere between like eight to ten warheads with it, right,
Speaker 2: like something somewhere in that vicinity, and they could have
Speaker 2: a functional warhead within a matter of weeks after enriching,
Speaker 2: because enriching the uranium is the hard part. Once you've
Speaker 2: done that, it's very easy to make a nuclear weapon, right,
Speaker 2: sufficiently skilled people could do it with like fairly minimal
Speaker 2: technology if they like. Getting the rich uranium is the
Speaker 2: hard part. So it's technically true that Iran is that,
Speaker 2: you know, close to having a weapon. They have been
Speaker 2: since two thousand and three. But the more important part
Speaker 2: of the story is that they have not been working
Speaker 2: on a weapon, and there's no evidence even for the
Speaker 2: DA concluded in March that they were not actively working
Speaker 2: on a nuclear weapon. So what's actually been going on
Speaker 2: here is that while the Ayatola has not reauthorized the
Speaker 2: program in quite some time, pressure has been It's been
Speaker 2: generally agreed by people watching you know, Iranian politics, that
Speaker 2: pressure has been building on him in order to reauthorize
Speaker 2: the program. Right. There's a good CBS News article on
Speaker 2: this that notes that the US Intelligence Community assessment stated
Speaker 2: that there was an erosion of a decades long taboo
Speaker 2: on discussing nuclear weapons in public, brought on by all
Speaker 2: of the pressure against Iran by Israel. Right. In other words,
Speaker 2: the more Israel in the United States threaten and actually
Speaker 2: do bomb Iran, the more public support there is, and
Speaker 2: the more acceptable it comes to talk about restarting the program, right,
Speaker 2: because continuing to bomb and attack them makes the case
Speaker 2: strongly that well, we probably need one of these fucking things, right,
Speaker 2: because otherwise they're simply not going to stop. And that's
Speaker 2: been the lesson of the twenty first century, which is,
Speaker 2: if you are a country that has beef with the
Speaker 2: United States or any other nuclear power, the safest thing
Speaker 2: to do is get a nuke and then get more
Speaker 2: nukes as quickly as possible. Right. So that's the situation
Speaker 2: that we're in. Iran has not moved any closer to
Speaker 2: having a nuclear weapon over the last twenty some years,
Speaker 2: but because they've got this uranium, you could always technically say, well,
Speaker 2: they could be months away. Right. So this all leads
Speaker 2: us up to last week's strikes on Iran. These were
Speaker 2: using a wing of B two bombers. Actually, there was
Speaker 2: quite a few aircraft involved. Prior to the bombing attack,
Speaker 2: there was a lot of discussions, like the United States
Speaker 2: preparing for much more extensive action in Iran because we
Speaker 2: flew all of these different, like refueling planes all around
Speaker 2: the world, and we're like setting up very clearly this
Speaker 2: like massive set of infrastructure to refule and keep a
Speaker 2: bunch of planes in the air. Now, the reality is
Speaker 2: that all of these refueling planes and whatnot were part
Speaker 2: of this bombing mission. And the bombing mission did not
Speaker 2: just include the seven bombers that actually struck Iran, but
Speaker 2: another wing of B two bombers that flew in the
Speaker 2: opposite direction as part of a feint, as well as
Speaker 2: fighter jets and reconplanes that were necessary to help set
Speaker 2: up and protect the whole apparatus that we were setting
Speaker 2: up to get these seven B twos to the target area.
Speaker 2: Right now, the actual mission was about thirty seven hours,
Speaker 2: which is not the longest mission B two crews have flown.
Speaker 2: That was forty four hours, and it was over Afghanistan
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one. And keep a pin in
Speaker 2: that because we will be talking about how successful that
Speaker 2: mission was, because there's some similarities between it and what
Speaker 2: was done in Iran. Now, the B twos that we
Speaker 2: flew over Iran were armed with these big thirty thousand
Speaker 2: pound bunker busting bombs, and we'll talk about these as
Speaker 2: well in a while, but I want to I found
Speaker 2: out there's a very interesting article on a CNN Politics
Speaker 2: by Michael Williams that interviews one of the guys who
Speaker 2: was part of the longest B two mission, that mission
Speaker 2: over Afghanistan, who talked about like what you have to
Speaker 2: do in order to carry out a mission like this.
Speaker 2: And I want to bring it up because, you know,
Speaker 2: in the middle of this very shameful episode for the
Speaker 2: United States, it reminds me of what makes me proud
Speaker 2: of this country. And what makes me proud of this
Speaker 2: country is our tendency to dose bomber pilots with massive
Speaker 2: quantities of amphetamines so that they can be absolutely spun
Speaker 2: off their asses when bombing a foreign country. And that's
Speaker 2: exactly how you get bomber teams over to a country
Speaker 2: like Iran for thirty seven hours of flight time is
Speaker 2: everybody is prescribed amphetamines and they are high as shit.
Speaker 2: They are pissing in ziploc bags full of kitty litter,
Speaker 2: they've got a chemical toilet in the back. They're just
Speaker 2: spun off of their asses, pissing into cat litter. And
Speaker 2: that's that's how strikes like this are managed, which I
Speaker 2: think is beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, except for the whole you know, Trump starting a
Speaker 3: little war aspect of end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, the massive civilian casualties are always a tragedy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the death of Minicent.
Speaker 2: But you know it also, it was from fighter pilots
Speaker 2: that we get swinger culture, and it's from fighter pilots
Speaker 2: and swinger culture that we get popularized amphetamines in the
Speaker 2: United States. And without that, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: we actually probably wouldn't miss out on much that was
Speaker 2: very good, But the.
Speaker 4: Seventies would have been different.
Speaker 2: The value was lost.
Speaker 4: Might be better, Yeah, it might have been better.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like Jefferson Airplane wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been as good.
Speaker 4: But maybe they'd be cool something else. Yeah, maybe they'd
Speaker 4: been called something else.
Speaker 2: So the primary munition that these B twos were supposed
Speaker 2: to be dropping over Iran and the whole reason why
Speaker 2: the United States was needed because Israel had carried out
Speaker 2: a bunch of strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities. But Basically, Iran,
Speaker 2: being intelligent, knew that, like, well, they're going to bomb
Speaker 2: these facilities like as long as they exist, and it's
Speaker 2: very difficult to get like these centrifugias made right like that.
Speaker 2: That's the hardest part of getting a nuclear weapon is
Speaker 2: getting the equipment that will allow you to enrich uranium.
Speaker 2: And so it's very precious and you you don't just
Speaker 2: have you can't just remake it super easily. So Aron
Speaker 2: buried this shit, right. They had a number of different
Speaker 2: sites which were hit by both the US and Israel,
Speaker 2: the most deeply buried of which was a place called
Speaker 2: at a place called Fourdoh, and the actual facilities were
Speaker 2: buried underneath like the ridge of a mountain, beneath ninety
Speaker 2: meters or about three hundred feet of rock. Right. And
Speaker 2: we have this tendency in the West in part because
Speaker 2: of generations of military industry propaganda and in part because
Speaker 2: the Air Force really wants you to believe this that
Speaker 2: bombs are a lot more powerful than they are now.
Speaker 2: Bombs are great at blowing up buildings that are just
Speaker 2: hanging around on the surface of the earth, and they're
Speaker 2: great at killing people. They're great at killing civilians, people
Speaker 2: who are not armored or defended against them. They're awesome
Speaker 2: at that. You know, what bombs suck at is going
Speaker 2: more than a couple of feet below the earth. They're
Speaker 2: terrible at it. Even really big bombs, even the scariest
Speaker 2: bombs we've ever made, absolute dog shit at getting through,
Speaker 2: especially like stone and rock. And so Israel was like,
Speaker 2: we don't have the capacity, we don't have the technology
Speaker 2: to actually like crack a facility like fourdoh. The only
Speaker 2: thing that can is these bombs that can only be
Speaker 2: carried by the B two, which are these thirty thousand
Speaker 2: pounds bunker busters. Right. And the question that comes up
Speaker 2: then is like, okay, well, this four to doah is
Speaker 2: ninety meters. It was beneath ninety meters of rock. How
Speaker 2: deep can these GBU fifty sevens, these massive ordnance penetrator
Speaker 2: bombs which had not been used in combat before. How
Speaker 2: deep can these fuckers go? Right? That seems like a
Speaker 2: simple question. You will usually see most of the graphics
Speaker 2: on the news will show that it penetrates sixty meters
Speaker 2: right or two hundred feet, and then it detonates right,
Speaker 2: which you know could do damage to a facility that's
Speaker 2: buried deeper. Right, If you're detonating it like sixty meters
Speaker 2: down and it goes down ninety meters, that explosion could
Speaker 2: do enough extra damage that could damage a facility that's
Speaker 2: just like another thirty meters below.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Theoretically, however, that doesn't tell the full story. And I'm
Speaker 2: very indebted in this part to it in PA article
Speaker 2: by Joff Brumfell, who did actually like the math. Right,
Speaker 2: So we figured out a long time ago when we
Speaker 2: started bombing things, there's like a mathematical equation to how
Speaker 2: far a bomb that's a given weight and dropped from
Speaker 2: a given height and has a given explosive payload can
Speaker 2: penetrate through different kind of substrates, right, that you can
Speaker 2: just kind of plug that equation in. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to quote from Jeff's article right now because it
Speaker 2: does a very good job of like looking at kind
Speaker 2: of why this was sort of a dogshit plan from
Speaker 2: the start. I went back to take a look at
Speaker 2: the math from those early studies, and I found it
Speaker 2: was actually straightforward. The so called penetration equations have existed
Speaker 2: since the nineteen sixties and depend on a limited number
Speaker 2: of factors. Including the shape of the nose cone, the
Speaker 2: weight and diameter of the weapon, the speed at which
Speaker 2: it hits the ground, and crucially, the type of earth
Speaker 2: it gets dropped on. It depends enormously on the kind
Speaker 2: of rocks, as Raymond gene Laws, the professor at the
Speaker 2: University of California, Berkeley and one of the original authors
Speaker 2: of the two thousand and five National Academic Study and
Speaker 2: Earth Penetrators, When I ran the calculations using a key
Speaker 2: equation from that study, I found that the GBU fifty
Speaker 2: seven could go up to eighty meters underground if it
Speaker 2: was dropped in salty clay. In medium strength rock, things
Speaker 2: looked far different. The GBU fifty seven could only go
Speaker 2: around seven point nine meters beneath the earth. So that's
Speaker 2: not nearly the sixty meters that you're seeing claimed on
Speaker 2: most and it's nowhere close to ninety, right, And there's
Speaker 2: a good amount of data we already have. Trump obviously
Speaker 2: claimed as soon as we did this bombing run, because
Speaker 2: we dropped a fairly heavy cluster of these bombs, twelve
Speaker 2: on four to zero, and Trump's claim was that, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was completely destroyed. His press secretary said when you
Speaker 2: dropped twelve thirty thousand pound bombs with perfect precision on
Speaker 2: a target, there's only one result, complete destruction. And that's
Speaker 2: not true even if you just like look at the
Speaker 2: past of us using these weapons. I mentioned earlier that
Speaker 2: two thousand and one mission to Afghanistan that was US
Speaker 2: trying to blow up that's purported like cave fortress that
Speaker 2: been laden had.
Speaker 4: You may have seen the diagram in Tora Bora, and
Speaker 4: we didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't work because it's really hard for all of
Speaker 2: our technological might, it's very hard to blow up something
Speaker 2: buried under rock. Like it doesn't matter how many of
Speaker 2: these giant bombs you have, we're shit at it. Right now,
Speaker 2: there's still some debate. The DIA assessment says that basically
Speaker 2: we did damage, but it was at most maybe enough
Speaker 2: to knock them back by eight months, and probably less
Speaker 2: than that. Right, it's kind of debatable, and we don't
Speaker 2: have perfect data on this, right, I don't know that
Speaker 2: Iran has perfect data on this, because one thing we
Speaker 2: can confirm is that the bombing sealed the entrances, so
Speaker 2: it's possible they can't get into fod Oh quite yet. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: there's going to be some work needed to do to
Speaker 2: be able to get these facilities if they were to
Speaker 2: do that, which again they were not based on US
Speaker 2: military intelligence, we're not doing prior to the bombing, But
Speaker 2: based on satellite imagery, it does not look like there's
Speaker 2: not really good evidence that we did any kind of
Speaker 2: significant damage. There's some reports that some centrifugias were damaged,
Speaker 2: but those reports state that other centrifugions were intact. It's
Speaker 2: one of those things where like there's not any strong evidence,
Speaker 2: and in fact, the DIA's report suggests that, like the
Speaker 2: damage done was fairly minimal, given the extreme cost of
Speaker 2: this operation and the brags that the administration has been
Speaker 2: making that like they totally destroyed these facilities, right, right,
Speaker 2: We simply did not totally destroy these facilities. Now, it's
Speaker 2: a little too early to say so precisely, like how
Speaker 2: bad is this? Right, But you know, again that's kind
Speaker 2: of the early data, is that, like the DIA assessment says,
Speaker 2: we set them back maybe a few months at most.
Speaker 2: One of the fun things about this is that Iran
Speaker 2: moved their uranium prior to the bombing, right, Like, you
Speaker 2: can't really move these giant centrifuges or these big underground facilities.
Speaker 2: But you can take the uranium and you can just
Speaker 2: drive at places and we don't know exactly where they
Speaker 2: hit it. The head of the IAEA, which is the
Speaker 2: International Atomic Energy Commission, has already come out and said, like,
Speaker 2: I have no idea where Iran's uranium is. And it's
Speaker 2: the job the IEA's job is to account for every
Speaker 2: fucking gram of uranium held by every country in the world.
Speaker 2: Right they are supposed to know at all times where
Speaker 2: it is. And he's like, I have no fucking idea, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't know where it is, and we don't know
Speaker 2: how much dammage is double, we don't know where this is.
Speaker 2: There is at least one report stating that Iron's plan
Speaker 2: was basically load this up into the trunks of a
Speaker 2: bunch of cars and park them in public parking lots,
Speaker 2: because they probably they're not going to bomb a public
Speaker 2: parking lot.
Speaker 1: Outside of like a store, which is really funny, actually fair,
Speaker 1: the US might do that.
Speaker 4: A Israel will send me bomb a fucking parking they
Speaker 4: hit a press which park there's so many yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and they'll pray a shell game, right like they will
Speaker 4: send hundreds of trucks and vans from every location. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: they'll send.
Speaker 2: It's just the funniest thing in terms of it also
Speaker 2: points out how doomed efforts like this are where you're
Speaker 2: just like, well, with our technology and our fancy stealth bombers,
Speaker 2: we clearly we should be able to figure this out.
Speaker 2: And it's like, nah, we're just gonna park We need
Speaker 2: one hundred cars. We'll bring in six hundred cars and
Speaker 2: we'll park them randomly all around the country. Fuck you,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? Bomb every parking lot? Like,
Speaker 2: it's very funny quote.
Speaker 3: From parking lot bombed? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, that's uh. What's going on with us bombing Iran?
Speaker 2: And so again? Very expensive? Yeah, probably did not do much.
Speaker 4: Trump the dove strikes again the peace Maker? They going
Speaker 4: them the peace Maker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk about the peace bullshit after this. We
Speaker 2: should throw to ads first.
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Speaker 2: We're back. So like the four to oh nuclear enrichment facility,
Speaker 2: Trump is between a rock and a hard place with
Speaker 2: with this whole carrying out illegal stripes on a sovereign
Speaker 2: nation thing of a jig in that he came. He
Speaker 2: came to power a large part by promising, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do a World War three. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: all these democrats are crazy warmongers, but not old Donnie t.
Speaker 2: You know you can you can trust me to be
Speaker 2: a peacemaker. And then he fucking bombs Iran, which is
Speaker 2: kind of a major escalation, right, so, and we're not
Speaker 2: gonna There's been people arguing with this have happened under
Speaker 2: Kamala Yaddia. I don't don't. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: I don't read a shit. It's happening now, fucking fuck off,
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not worth talking about that. We're
Speaker 2: talking about what's happening, which is that this is a
Speaker 2: major escalation. But Trump has had to He's kind of
Speaker 2: been hedging between like, yeah, look at how fucking cool
Speaker 2: our weapons are. We fuck them up so bad and
Speaker 2: also and now it's time for peace. We have to
Speaker 2: stop the violence. Why don't you guys come to the table,
Speaker 2: let's all be friends.
Speaker 3: And getting pretty pissed at the Israeli governments.
Speaker 2: Yes, because he announced a ceasefire and Iran was like
Speaker 2: after striking back and hitting US bases in a number
Speaker 2: of countries, was like, okay, we're done. Like we did
Speaker 2: the thing we had, we did the face saving thing.
Speaker 2: We have to launch missiles after youbamas. We can't not
Speaker 2: do that. But we did it. We got our strike off,
Speaker 2: and we're not going to continue if you guys don't continue, right,
Speaker 2: And Trump was like, I did it. I made peace.
Speaker 2: Look at look at how good I am. And then
Speaker 2: Israel immediately starts carrying out more strikes, and Trump is,
Speaker 2: are we gonna play the audio of in cursing on TV?
Speaker 2: Because it's very good. Here's here's Trump being confronted about this, Like,
Speaker 2: within hours of this Israeli strikes.
Speaker 1: You know what we have? We basically have two countries
Speaker 1: that have been fighting so long and so hard that
Speaker 1: they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 3: Do you understand that? What?
Speaker 2: So that's a pissed off man, and he's pissed off again.
Speaker 2: I do think people are generally wrong when they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: Trump's much better on Israel because he can confront net Yahoo.
Speaker 2: That hasn't really proved to be the case yet. But
Speaker 2: unlike Biden, Trump clearly doesn't care about like he's willing
Speaker 2: to be pissed at net Yahoo, and he was really pissed.
Speaker 3: In this openly, like absolutely openly.
Speaker 2: Very yet because again he's hanging a lot on like
Speaker 2: nobody would dare go back to war when I said
Speaker 2: they were at peace? Right, Like that's that this is
Speaker 2: like an ego thing for him more than anything. He
Speaker 2: certainly doesn't give a shit about the human cost of
Speaker 2: any of this. But yeah, and so that's where we
Speaker 2: are right now. Are we done? Will there continue to
Speaker 2: be more strikes and retaliation strikes. Something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: It's not done right, None of it's done no. But
Speaker 2: you know, also, Iran's not stupid, right. This is a
Speaker 2: country that has been in these circumstances and in variations
Speaker 2: of this conflict for a long time. And they are
Speaker 2: neither foolish nor suicidal. So they're not going to be
Speaker 2: completely reckless here, right, Like I think you're seeing in
Speaker 2: what you've seen is pretty calculated responses where they are
Speaker 2: aware of how much they think they can push when
Speaker 2: and where right, And so you know, I think we're
Speaker 2: likely to like I don't know that. I think the
Speaker 2: escalation ladder is in like a runaway state. I don't
Speaker 2: see that evidence right now. But this is not the
Speaker 2: end of this, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something we got news of today in the last
Speaker 1: this is Wednesday. We got this in the last hour
Speaker 1: or so. Is that Trump like said on TV the
Speaker 1: thing that you're not actually supposed to say, which is
Speaker 1: that the US and Iran coordinated to have the Iran
Speaker 1: shoot these bases.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's.
Speaker 1: Like okay, like they like we literally went on TV
Speaker 1: and said, quote, you saw that working vessels were shot
Speaker 1: at us the other day, and Iran was very nice.
Speaker 1: They said, we're gonna shoot them at one at one Okay,
Speaker 1: I said, it's fine, everybody evacuated, not the basis. Like
Speaker 1: obviously the US has always done this, but like we've
Speaker 1: never had the president go on TV and just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we let Iran shoot empty military basis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we worked it out with them.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: This highlights something that's so interesting when I when I
Speaker 2: say this, I don't mean to ignore the fact that
Speaker 2: real people are dying, like particularly in Iran. It's horrifying,
Speaker 2: But there is a massive degree of this at the
Speaker 2: at the that the nation state level that is cafe, right,
Speaker 2: and that that proves it, like Iran is like okay, look.
Speaker 3: K fa with the cost of like yeah, thousands of lives.
Speaker 2: People will die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's dick measuring.
Speaker 2: The fact that Iron is only to talk with you
Speaker 2: us about like okay, what can we strike that's not
Speaker 2: going to escalate things for you, like yeah, we'll pull
Speaker 2: you know whatever. And also that's to a degree that
Speaker 2: was going on with the strikes on Iran, right where
Speaker 2: they got enough of a warning that they were able
Speaker 2: to move their physical material right, like this is there,
Speaker 2: Which is not to say that like things are like
Speaker 2: copasetic and friendly, but everybody's got everybody, but Israel has
Speaker 2: like a vested interest in things not escalating too much.
Speaker 2: Even the Trump administration, right has a vested interest in
Speaker 2: like there's a line we don't want to cross because
Speaker 2: we just don't see any like benefit in it, right,
Speaker 2: And that is that is a part of what's going
Speaker 2: on here. Yeah, anyway, that's probably enough talk about Iran
Speaker 2: and news and stuff. But anyway, remember folks, you too
Speaker 2: could be a nuclear power if you can just figure
Speaker 2: out how to make a functional centrifuge and get a
Speaker 2: shitload of uranium, you know, it's not that hard. It
Speaker 2: just comes out of the ground.
Speaker 4: Youah, depending on where that ground is.
Speaker 2: Depending on where that ground is.
Speaker 4: Should we talk about immigration? Sure, all right?
Speaker 2: I love immigration.
Speaker 4: Sadly Robert Congress does not agree with you.
Speaker 2: They rarely do.
Speaker 4: They rarely do. Yeah, that is one of the things
Speaker 4: they say about Robert Evans. I want to start, actually
Speaker 4: with a little disclaimer rant. Almost every day for the
Speaker 4: past six months, someone has sent me a tip saying
Speaker 4: that ICE are raiding a hospital. This has happened almost
Speaker 4: every month for the past ten years. I have received
Speaker 4: this tip thousands of times. To my knowledge, it has
Speaker 4: never been true. Nonetheless, this rumor persists, and especially among
Speaker 4: people who might be newer to migrant advocacy or newer
Speaker 4: to observing immigration enforcement. What is happening in one hundred
Speaker 4: percent of these cases that I have looked into, is
Speaker 4: Customs of Border Protection or ICE or some other immigration
Speaker 4: detention agency is taking somebody who is in their custody
Speaker 4: to the hospital, and then that person is getting treatment
Speaker 4: and then they are released again to that immigration agency. Normally,
Speaker 4: those immigration agents can't enter non public areas of the hospital,
Speaker 4: i e. Treatment rooms, but it can enter public areas,
Speaker 4: I e. Lobbies. This rumor, which continues to spread, which
Speaker 4: I've seen people including journalists sharing on social media, kills people, right.
Speaker 4: I'm aware of one incident in which someone was having
Speaker 4: a medical emergency and didn't want to go to hospital,
Speaker 4: a medical emergency which could very well have killed them
Speaker 4: within hours, and didn't want to go to hospital because
Speaker 4: they had heard the ice was at the hospitals. I
Speaker 4: understand that people are coming to this with varying levels
Speaker 4: of experience. It's cool, it's great that people are showing
Speaker 4: up for migrants, but people need to exercise caution around
Speaker 4: this because it is not harmless to spread that rumor
Speaker 4: unless you are absolutely certain that it is true. It
Speaker 4: hurts people, and I keep seeing it, and I think
Speaker 4: it's important to say something about it, including two other journalists. Okay,
Speaker 4: with that said, let's start with some good news about immigration.
Speaker 4: Ice agents in San Diego scattered from the San Diego
Speaker 4: Court when the newly appointed San Diego Bishop Michael Farm,
Speaker 4: who is himself a refugee. He was an accompanied miner
Speaker 4: from Vietnam, entered the court to accompany people to their
Speaker 4: immigration hearings. Bishop Farm was joined by Immam Taha Hassane.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that correctly. Of the Islamic Center of San
Speaker 4: Diego and our Lady of Guadaloupe Church, Pastor Scott Santa Rossa,
Speaker 4: they say they're going to keep doing this quote as needed.
Speaker 4: So this is actually one of the very few things,
Speaker 4: at least in court houses that seems to have worked. Right.
Speaker 4: We've covered this in previous weeks that what is happening
Speaker 4: is that the government is dismissing the case against people
Speaker 4: and then in me detaining them and forcing them to
Speaker 4: fight for their asylum well detained. Right, this has been
Speaker 4: happening all across the country. San Diego is the only
Speaker 4: place I'm aware of where religious leaders right from across
Speaker 4: the religious community are accompanying migrants to their detention hearings.
Speaker 4: So we saw Brad Lander doing this in New York politician,
Speaker 4: but this is the only instance I'm aware of where
Speaker 4: clerics are doing it, and it seems to have worked.
Speaker 4: It seems to have in this incidence or in these instances,
Speaker 4: prevented ice from detaining people. And like, I'm not a
Speaker 4: religious person myself, but I will say that I respect this.
Speaker 4: I think this is this is cool. I've reported before.
Speaker 4: I spoke a lot about Jesuits in the Darien Gap
Speaker 4: and the how impressed and in awe of their work
Speaker 4: with migrants. I am, and I think this is another
Speaker 4: example of like people organizing with groups that they might
Speaker 4: not normally organize with, but that having really beneficial results.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Huge win for the woke Marxist pope as well, So
Speaker 4: it's good to see.
Speaker 3: Yep, hell yeah, huge one for Marxism this week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, generally a big week for Marxism in other years.
Speaker 4: A district court has ordered another man, Geordian and Alexander
Speaker 4: Melga Saint Maron, returned from El Salvador. He's Salvadorean, but
Speaker 4: he was removed thirteen minutes after a court order barred
Speaker 4: his removal, and thus he was removed in violation of
Speaker 4: that court order. Right, and the district court has ordered
Speaker 4: him returned. I'm not aware if he's being returned yet.
Speaker 4: On Wednesday, we shall see, I guess. Because the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court has allowed the Trump administration this week to continue
Speaker 4: removing migrants to countries which are not specifically noted on
Speaker 4: their removal orders.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: We spoke about this before in the case of the
Speaker 4: attempt of the DODA to remove people to South Sudan.
Speaker 4: We've spoken about it in terms of removing people to
Speaker 4: El Salvador who are not themselves Salvadorean. Right, this isn't
Speaker 4: really deportation. I think rendition is a more accurate way
Speaker 4: to describe it, and it will certainly result in people
Speaker 4: facing hardship and more likely than not, people facing torture
Speaker 4: and probably being killed. It is a disaster. It was
Speaker 4: a very short and unsigned order, and the justices it
Speaker 4: wasn't a final decision that they paused the Massachusetts District
Speaker 4: Court ruling, which had in turn paused the process. So
Speaker 4: the process is now ongoing again. It's worth noting that
Speaker 4: the Massachusetts District Court ruling didn't stop them doing it.
Speaker 4: It allowed them a meaningful attempt at expressing their reasonable
Speaker 4: fear of torture.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Three justices dissented, so to Mayor, Keegan and Jackson. So
Speaker 4: to Mayor wrote the descent I'm just going to quote
Speaker 4: from it here briefly, apparently quote the court finds the
Speaker 4: idea that thousands will suffer violence in far flung locals
Speaker 4: more palatable than the remote possibility that a district court
Speaker 4: exceeded its remedial powers when it ordered the government to
Speaker 4: provide no and process to which the plaintiffs are constitutionally
Speaker 4: and statutorily entitled. As she pointed out, the government was
Speaker 4: seeking relief from this order in Supreme Court, but had
Speaker 4: also been openly flouting here. Right. This flouting of lower
Speaker 4: court orders lines up with Ares Ruveni, a DOJ lawyer
Speaker 4: who was fired for I guess not following the DJ
Speaker 4: line in the Aberagogavcia case. He filed a whistleblower complaint
Speaker 4: in Congress this week that the NAT has seen. You
Speaker 4: can read the whole article in the show notes, but
Speaker 4: in there you can hear Emil Bouvet, who's he was
Speaker 4: Trump's personal laurre in twenty twenty three. Trump is now
Speaker 4: nominated him to be a judge. That he tells DOJ
Speaker 4: lawyers that they need to be open to responding fuck
Speaker 4: you to court orders. The allegations in a whistleblower complaint
Speaker 4: are pretty concerning, right, in terms of the ability of
Speaker 4: the courts to stop the DOJ doing anything. I would
Speaker 4: urge you to read it. It's going to be linked
Speaker 4: in the show notes. We don't really have time to
Speaker 4: summarize all of it. Here, but I think I think
Speaker 4: the fuck you comment summarizes it pretty well.
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Speaker 4: One of the people who we have interviewed on this
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Speaker 4: So far, he's been taking care of all of his
Speaker 4: legal paperwork himself, which is very admirable, but obviously, like
Speaker 4: many migrants, he understands his chance of the success will
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's time for Gehar's good news roundup,
Speaker 3: and let's start with some actually like fantastic news. My
Speaker 3: mood Khalil has been released after one hundred and four
Speaker 3: days in ice custody. He missed the birth of his
Speaker 3: first child. Was it his first time meeting his child
Speaker 3: or did he get to meet his child?
Speaker 2: I think he'd gotten one visit where he got to
Speaker 2: meet his kid, if I'm if I'm remembering directly. It's
Speaker 2: still kind of about two thirds of the way through
Speaker 2: his detainment.
Speaker 3: But now he is back in New York right as
Speaker 3: his case will continue. This is a good step in
Speaker 3: the fight against disappearing people for political differences, Like this
Speaker 3: is important fight. This is possibly like the one of
Speaker 3: the most important like national pieces of news. That's still
Speaker 3: a developing story right now.
Speaker 2: I've seen some responses that are like, yeah, so after
Speaker 2: one hundred and four days of being illegally detained, you know,
Speaker 2: a guy finally got released. This is still a bad thing,
Speaker 2: and like that's true. This is a bleak story. But
Speaker 2: like it's actually kind of like foolish to not acknowledge
Speaker 2: this as a significant win, right, Like it's important.
Speaker 3: They did not want to release him. They wanted to
Speaker 3: keep him forever.
Speaker 2: They did not want to release him. Yes, this is good.
Speaker 2: This is a good thing, and it's proof that it
Speaker 2: is worth fighting because you can win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like every day he's not in jail and that
Speaker 4: he's with his family is a better day.
Speaker 2: Yes, is a win. Yeah, it's a victory. Yes.
Speaker 3: Also some good news in New York. It is so quover.
Speaker 3: Zoran Mamdani won the Democratic primary for the mayor of
Speaker 3: New York City Tuesday night. This is quite exciting. I
Speaker 3: got to announce to a massive room full of trans
Speaker 3: people that Quomo conceded to Zoron, and I have not
Speaker 3: felt better in months. It was like the one of
Speaker 3: the brightest rays of hope that we've had and a
Speaker 3: rejection of like the old Democratic Party establishment. Yes, Zoron
Speaker 3: had to beat like thirty million dollars of super Pac
Speaker 3: funding against him. He mobilized the youth vote in ways
Speaker 3: we've never seen before in New York. A quarter of
Speaker 3: early voters for first time that Democratic primary participants. Zoran
Speaker 3: ran a very very solid campaign with slick videos online
Speaker 3: and on TV multil which outreach fifty thousand like on
Speaker 3: street volunteers, canvassing, door knocks, phone baking, and a distinct
Speaker 3: focus on affordability, including freezing rent, free buses, pilot program
Speaker 3: for city run grocery stores, free to low cost childcare,
Speaker 3: raising minimum wage, and resisting Trump's efforts to use ice
Speaker 3: to deport New Yorkers. Myself and Mia did a full
Speaker 3: episode yesterday if you want to have a more in
Speaker 3: depth look at the New York mayor role primary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We should also note here that per a CBS
Speaker 2: New York interview with former Governor Cuomo, he has stated
Speaker 2: that he is considering running against Mom Donnie as an independent.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes. We might get to
Speaker 2: see Cuomo lose twice in a year, which would be
Speaker 2: pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I would be surprised if he
Speaker 3: actually decides to run in the general. A lot of
Speaker 3: like like Ackman is going behind Adams. It seems they're
Speaker 3: certainly going to be targeting from like Republicans and maybe
Speaker 3: even some den establishments.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, sure, definitely.
Speaker 4: So to like.
Speaker 3: Remove zoran as like a viable candyate, they're going to
Speaker 3: pull out some crazy like red scare communist shit from
Speaker 3: the fifties. Absolutely, they might try to remove his legal
Speaker 3: status as a citizen, like they're gonna pull out the stops.
Speaker 3: But this is like after the twenty twenty four elench
Speaker 3: this is like the first first like clear look at
Speaker 3: what a new Democratic party could look like. And right
Speaker 3: now is the face of Zorrong. Yeah that's all I have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's nice to see a win again.
Speaker 2: It's like the Mahud Khalil thing. Right, It's it's nice, absolutely,
Speaker 2: like this is this is good things can happen. Now
Speaker 2: does this mean is this a part of a fucking
Speaker 2: progressive wave that's sweeping the country? Does this prove that,
Speaker 2: you know, being pro Palestine and pro trans is the
Speaker 2: best electoral strategy in one hundred percent of districts? Now,
Speaker 2: like this is this is New York. We like, this
Speaker 2: is one election, but it's like good news and it
Speaker 2: it I think there's a very solid possibility that we
Speaker 2: will see this as like part of a growing trend
Speaker 2: that when candidates are actually left wing and unabashedly so
Speaker 2: when they don't try to tack to the middle, when
Speaker 2: they don't try to embrace, you know, a hodgepodge of
Speaker 2: like contradictory policies in order to please some sort of
Speaker 2: like farcical median theoretical median voter, that they do better.
Speaker 2: I do think that, like maybe that's what we'll see.
Speaker 2: But you know, obviously one election in New York City
Speaker 2: is not a one one primary in New York City
Speaker 2: isn't enough to prove that like this is going to
Speaker 2: be the same kind of thing we see nationwide.
Speaker 3: I mean, but it did show how to mobilize like
Speaker 3: a huge number of like young people and like a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of like young men, which which
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party has been like whining about for the
Speaker 3: past few months terrible about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a big deal.
Speaker 3: Like how how how do we reach out to the
Speaker 3: young men in this country? And like Zoron showed you
Speaker 3: how to do this. It's actually fighting for like real
Speaker 3: things that make your life.
Speaker 2: You can get people excited about your candidacy. If you're
Speaker 2: standing for something and getting people excited, it's even more
Speaker 2: important than just being like, well, this theoretically polls the best,
Speaker 2: because if you do take all the positions that poll well,
Speaker 2: but nobody gives a shit and you don't have any
Speaker 2: kind of excitement or the ability to build like a
Speaker 2: grassroots ground game, then you'll do worse. Like if you
Speaker 2: have that behind you, if you have all that enthusiasm,
Speaker 2: you can make less popular positions more popular. That's how
Speaker 2: politics works, right, Look at Trump, you know, like the
Speaker 2: whole everyone's always wondering, like how does he get away
Speaker 2: with all these things that were forbidden for so long?
Speaker 2: Is because he had a lot of enthusiasm behind them,
Speaker 2: and that wave allowed him to push a bunch of boundaries.
Speaker 4: And like, that's how it works.
Speaker 2: It can work the other way too, if you try,
Speaker 2: if you're not just gutless, if you're not a fucking shumer.
Speaker 1: So in less good news and the less good news,
Speaker 1: I mean really really horrible news.
Speaker 2: Terrible news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So last week we got the results of the
Speaker 1: United States versus Crimmetti. I think most trans people have
Speaker 1: been expecting that this was going to be really bad,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was, I guess technically not as
Speaker 1: bad as it theoretically could have been, but this ruling
Speaker 1: was there was a six' three ruling that Upholds tennessee's
Speaker 1: yeah ban on gender affirming care for. Minors that ban,
Speaker 1: IS i, mean just like hideously. Illegal it's like very
Speaker 1: obviously sass. Discrimination The Supreme court gave Genuinely LIKE i
Speaker 1: had a friend described it as like we're just in
Speaker 1: Pure calvin ball, Land like it's if you read the,
Speaker 1: decision it's fucking. Nonsense it's. Gibberish that also makes it
Speaker 1: hard to figure out what it's gonna do because the
Speaker 1: legal reasoning is just so unbelievably.
Speaker 3: Nonsense like it leaves it it leaves in place the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty ruling on sex discrimination in the workplace for
Speaker 3: trans people, intact but it invents this new justification that
Speaker 3: you can discriminate against trans people if you're discriminating against
Speaker 3: gender dysphoria as a, diagnosis specifically not necessarily them being,
Speaker 3: trans but the ability to treat gender.
Speaker 1: Dysphoria, yeah it's really really fucking. Weird i'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: do like a full episode looking at like like bringing
Speaker 1: into actual legal people to talk about what the legal
Speaker 1: impacts are going to. Be this is really. Bad this
Speaker 1: means that like twenty five states bans on gender firm
Speaker 1: and care go into. Effect one of the worst parts
Speaker 1: of this right is that you, know and this is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues with like targeting and trans
Speaker 1: kids in, general is that just the structure of the
Speaker 1: family and if childhood makes it really hard to help
Speaker 1: these kids because they're significantly more isolated than trans. Adults,
Speaker 1: right it's harder for trans kids to find. Community it's
Speaker 1: harder for the community to find.
Speaker 2: Them.
Speaker 1: Yep and because of the structures in place, here, like
Speaker 1: they are denied the autonomy to keep. Living and if
Speaker 1: their parents decide to just be, like fuck, you we're
Speaker 1: just Doing we're going to do conversion therapy on you
Speaker 1: by refusing to let you, transition they can do, that
Speaker 1: and it's extremely hard to resist.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah the root of so much, AUTHORITARIANISM i would all,
Speaker 2: argue like the absolute core of the fascist movement is
Speaker 2: the idea that parents own their. Children, yeah and that
Speaker 2: like that is the most that is the single most
Speaker 2: important property right that, exists is your ownership of.
Speaker 4: Kids i'm going to, say it's bed time if we
Speaker 4: really get to the core of, it isn't, It, Rob,
Speaker 4: yeah it's.
Speaker 3: No rubert's going full like no future queer, Theory LIKE
Speaker 3: I i agree with.
Speaker 4: You, no he's, Right, no.
Speaker 2: This is THE i don't think this is even debatable
Speaker 2: as someone who has raised in. It it's, this and
Speaker 2: it's it's not a simple, problem right because like kids
Speaker 2: are not adults and shouldn't like have full autonomy about,
Speaker 2: choices like you, know because they'll they don't understand the world.
Speaker 2: Fully there's a degree to which kids need to be like.
Speaker 3: Guided, yeah you should stop a child if they're going
Speaker 3: to walk into the street and get hit by a,
Speaker 3: bus right, yeah like grab a, fire or.
Speaker 2: If they only want to eat candy for, dinner right like,
Speaker 2: That there are, limits but the idea of, it like
Speaker 2: and so parents own their. Kids they're like that that
Speaker 2: is just it's pure poison and it's killing us all
Speaker 2: and like more, broadly like guys who hate that kids
Speaker 2: are the fucking forefront of fascism right, Now like, Yeah
Speaker 2: Elon musk Bought twitter because he hates his, daughter, yes
Speaker 2: more more than if any any other.
Speaker 4: Thing like it's, uh, yeah it's a repugnant. Ideology it's.
Speaker 2: Disgusting, yeah, yeah, anyway we'll do some sort of more
Speaker 2: detailed look at this that like that at some, point
Speaker 2: BUT i think we've you, know covered the.
Speaker 1: News, YEAH i, MEAN i think the last the last
Speaker 1: THING i want to say about that is, like if
Speaker 1: your trans AND i know this was a bigger thing
Speaker 1: in the immediate wake of last, week but keep.
Speaker 4: Living yeah, yeah, yeah stay.
Speaker 2: Alive maybe get a passport because you can do that right.
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of benefit even if you're not
Speaker 2: going to, travel if you don't have the money to,
Speaker 2: travel there's a lot of benefit in having THAT. Id.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah we're all going to see the sun rice
Speaker 1: together like we, are and it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Beautiful but do you know who won't is a man
Speaker 3: From norway who will probably never be seeing The United
Speaker 3: states ever.
Speaker 2: Again, god oh my. God, Okay, Garrison.
Speaker 3: So to finish this, episode we're going to talk about
Speaker 3: the one deportation we're kind of allowed to laugh. At
Speaker 3: not because the guy is. Bad the guy seems perfectly,
Speaker 3: fine but the circumstances around the deportation are so. Bizarre
Speaker 3: it's wild, shit and it Affects. Norway so it's you,
Speaker 3: know it's like, Whatever garrison Anti norwegian action over no
Speaker 3: offense To. Norway i'm just, like it's it's not, like
Speaker 3: this guy's getting deported to a place where he's in.
Speaker 4: DANGER i love You, norwegians even If garrison. Doesn't this
Speaker 4: is not a guy who's going to. Suffer he's not
Speaker 4: going To South, suda, beer.
Speaker 2: Life threatening or. Whatever he's. Fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah norwegian man was coming to The United states for
Speaker 3: vacation and at the border check point AND i Think,
Speaker 3: newark he was questioned and handed over his. Phone on the,
Speaker 3: phone porter agents found a photoshopped picture of BABY jd
Speaker 3: v sorry of bald BABY Jd. Vance. Yeah, Yeah and
Speaker 3: for this reason was BABY jd denied entry into into
Speaker 3: The United states and deported back.
Speaker 1: To Your.
Speaker 4: Thomas country On.
Speaker 2: Earth, anyway said photo has now been shown in The
Speaker 2: Irish parliament because we live in a it's, beautiful the world's.
Speaker 3: Beautiful they're Deporting norwegians FOR Jd vance. Memes, now this
Speaker 3: is the level that we are, at like The party
Speaker 3: Of Free speech deporting people who has OF Jd vance
Speaker 3: memes on their.
Speaker 1: Phone, like on the one, HAND i think you can
Speaker 1: make the argument that fascism has always been this, Stupid
Speaker 1: like Google Google mussolini's headquarters and look at that.
Speaker 4: Building it is this dumb but like good, lord LIKE
Speaker 4: i just oh my, god personal.
Speaker 1: Vanity there's such fucking tiny babies about. It like that's,
Speaker 1: like that's like the really defining characteristic of this era
Speaker 1: of fascism is that if you make fun of them
Speaker 1: the tiniest, bit it is the worst Consequences i've ever
Speaker 1: suffered in their entire. Lives and they fucking lose their
Speaker 1: mind that everyone doesn't fucking love.
Speaker 3: Them, yeah they they're they're fully like willing and like
Speaker 3: desire to use the complete mte of the states to
Speaker 3: uh to step on anyone who dares defy their, authority
Speaker 3: even even when that defiance is manifested through having a
Speaker 3: picture of BABY. Jd evans with a bald head like,
Speaker 3: that that is too. FAR i DON'T i don't know
Speaker 3: what else to say about baldy ju.
Speaker 2: You, know get get a, tattoo get a full facial,
Speaker 2: tattoo or like a bin afflet guy.
Speaker 3: Denaturalized for YOUR jd events back.
Speaker 2: Tattoo you can't punish you not for a. Tattoo Uh,
Speaker 2: no it, is it.
Speaker 3: Is it is funny how much vance in The Border
Speaker 3: patrol do not understand the barber strikes in. Effect this
Speaker 3: picture is now everywhere it shows how how hurt Jd
Speaker 3: vance is by these, photoshops even though he's tried to
Speaker 3: laugh along in the.
Speaker 4: Past, Yeah i'd love to, Know, like how is there
Speaker 4: a directive that has come down like, No vonce streams
Speaker 4: did some like off it's a field operations.
Speaker 3: Guy did they send it up To Stephen miller with, like, Hey,
Speaker 3: steven is this? Okay it seems like, no, no, no
Speaker 3: it's not somewhere at.
Speaker 4: The take offense on behalf Of Von's like that could
Speaker 4: be very.
Speaker 2: LIKELY i think that is what, Happened like that all
Speaker 2: of the data suggests that's what.
Speaker 4: Happened roberts talked about this like working towards the furor stuff,
Speaker 4: before but like it we're seeing a version of that, here,
Speaker 4: Right like.
Speaker 3: Oh, YEAH i mean like all of the current border
Speaker 3: agents are Like trump cultists, Essentially like they're they're the
Speaker 3: most evil people you will you will ever.
Speaker 4: MEET i, mean of the of all the federal, agencies,
Speaker 4: right IT'S cbp that has had the lowest vaccination. Rate
Speaker 4: they're playing One american use in their break, rooms like
Speaker 4: they are more ideologically sympathico with what's. Happening THEN i
Speaker 4: would imagine most other feeds are certainly Like ice are
Speaker 4: pretty much in lockstep with The trump. Administration, yeah if
Speaker 4: you want to help, US i guess don't send A
Speaker 4: Jd vince baby, meme but you can send your money
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