1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Caf I Am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 3: In the studio with me is Michael Monks from KFI 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 3: News talking about charges file against a suspected target shooter. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 3: We're talking about the target and seventh and figure zero 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 3: of part of a shopping center in downtown Los Angeles, 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: and Michael and I were talking. This is the same 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: store I remember covering the story back in November of 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, where a homeless man just walked in, 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: grabbed a knife off the shelf and stabbed a nine 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: year old boy and a twenty five year old woman. 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 3: So it's a little bit of the wild West still 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 3: in downtown Los Angeles, despite efforts to clean things up. 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it. I mean, this is a 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 4: busy mall. This is actually a pretty nice mall. I 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 4: live downtown. I can walk to this target. You know, 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 4: there are nice stores, there's a Nordstone wrack. You know, 18 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 4: you can buy candles, you can have a nice food court. 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 4: But occasionally you have to deal with this nonsense. And 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 4: what we have that's different today that wasn't the case 21 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, is that there's a different district attorney. 22 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 4: I raise that issue because some points were emphasized during 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 4: the press conference about the charges now being faced by 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 4: Jabrill Matoyer, who's the suspect in this shooting. So we 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 4: shot two security guards back on December thirtieth, exactly, and 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 4: Nathan Hawkman, the new DA, says that he is making 27 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 4: sure that there is a gun enhancement on these charges 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: that include attempted murder attempted robbery because he says that 29 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: that could extend a potential sentence to life, and with 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 4: that he hopes it becomes a deterrent for folks like 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: the Jabrill is accused of being from ever doing these 32 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 4: things in the first place. He also says that this 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 4: is not something that would have happened before. 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: With Gascon because Gascon was against enhancements, which lengthened sentence 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 3: is saying it may make people who want revenge feel good, 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: but doesn't really make the community any safer. 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Nathan Hakman ran against George Gascon, not 38 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 4: just as a candidate, but also with all of the 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 4: messaging that came out of Gascon's office. So Nathan Hawkman 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 4: has appeared before news media times since taking office very recently. Yeah, 41 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: and constantly emphasizes basically as you noted before we went 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 4: back on the air that you didn't say there's a 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: new sheriff. 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: In town, that they get the sound go ahead, do 45 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: we have it. 46 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 5: So in the past four years, if someone engaged an 47 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 5: attempted murder using a firearm, that as part of it, 48 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 5: the gun enhancement that would have been implied would have been, 49 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 5: if it would have been implied at all, would have 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 5: been a lower gun enhancement. We are using a gun 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: enhancement that basically treats this crime as a potential life sentence. 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 5: And again we're doing that on purpose because we want 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 5: to send a very strong message anyway, who thinks they 54 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 5: can use a gun in connection with a violent crime 55 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 5: as this has turned out to be, that they will 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 5: deal with a potential maximum consequence if we in turn 57 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 5: proved that case beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, 58 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 5: if they show request and then make the argument to 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 5: a judge. So again we are going the use of 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 5: that gun enhancement we are hoping will deter further criminals 61 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 5: for using guns in the future. 62 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: Well, he said it about as clear as it. 63 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: You're being you know, and they love these pronouncements like 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: this type of violence will not be tolerated, and so 65 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: on and so forth. It's unacceptable, will not be tolerated 66 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles County, brazen thievery because we've all done 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: so many stories on people's shoplifting and essentially just strolling 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: out of the store, and the policy is to let 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: them go. 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: And to that point, this is really why a lot 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: of corporations have those policies, right, Like, Okay, it looks 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: ridiculous to us on the street to see surveillance video 73 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: of somebody walking in, taking a bunch of stuff and 74 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 4: walking back out with no interruption or all whatsoever. But 75 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: this is the argument from the corporate executives is you 76 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: never know what could happen, So in terms of keeping 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: their employees, the guards safe, you want to keep them safe. 78 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: So in this instance, you did have a security guard 79 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: from the loss prevention department at Target and also a 80 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: security guard there at fig at seventh come out and 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: they both ended up wounded from this. This is a 82 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 4: guy who walked in and was trying to walk out 83 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: with two suitcases full of stuff that he hadn't paid for. 84 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 4: Is that worth losing your life over I don't know, 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: but the message now is this type of stuff is 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 4: not going to be tolerated in La County anymore with 87 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 4: the new DA and also California state wide with Prop 88 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: thirty six. 89 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: And it also was interesting and not unexpected that the 90 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: LAPD chief was by Hawkman's side sending the message that 91 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: we're partners in this. 92 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been the sheriffs as well. 93 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: It just seems like there is a unified effort to 94 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: I guess you'd say, get tougher. 95 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: There's certainly a concern from the community that what had 96 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 4: been happening in La and across other California cities, that 97 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 4: the lifestyle was just unacceptable. You know, there's just not 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: enough deterrence from people to feel like they would face 99 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 4: serious consequences if they did what they do. That's why 100 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: you're seeing the emphasis on deterrence and the emphasis on 101 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 4: enhanced charges and potentially lengthy prisons at So. 102 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: I don't know any criminals like personally that I could 103 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: ask this question to, But. 104 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: We were talking a little bit before we came back 105 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: on the. 106 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 3: Air about this is do they go through the thought 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: process of, well, there's a new juststrict attorney in Los Angeles. 108 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: If I get caught, I may be going away for 109 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: a much longer time. Or if I'm in Orange County. 110 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: You know that Todd Spitzer, he doesn't fool around. I mean, 111 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: do the bad guys like sort of evaluate the risk 112 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: or do they just go for it. I mentioned this 113 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: to you. 114 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: I don't know what was going through Jabril Matoyer's mind 115 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 4: when he went in and allegedly tried to walk out 116 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 4: with these things and then allegedly fired in these guards. 117 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: But there was that viral video from a couple of 118 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: weeks ago out of Seal Beach where you saw on 119 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 4: video three women walking through coles walking through an all 120 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 4: to beauty and taking whatever they wanted and then walking out. 121 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: But they got arrested, and then there's a clip of 122 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 4: them Orange County, exactly an Orange county, So this is 123 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: more relevant to Prop thirty six. You hear them talking 124 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: in the back that this is a felony now, and 125 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: also they say, hey, this is Orange County. 126 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: Don't play in Orange County. 127 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: So some of this messaging is clearly if that video 128 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 4: is any any indication starting to resonate with folks who 129 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 4: might have bad behavior on their mind. 130 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: Which for us who are law abiding citizens just trying 131 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: to live our lives and stay. 132 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: Safe, that's great. It is it's you know, I mean. 133 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: That's why sorry, that's why Hawkman was overwhelmingly elected over Gascone. 134 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: Because statistics aren't as relevant to people as the lifestyle experience. 135 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: You know, you could possibly point to stats, and of 136 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: course there's arguments over which stats people are using, who's 137 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 4: padding what or saying what. But you can say no 138 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 4: loan well, robberies are down, a retail theft is down. 139 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: But if you're going into places and it feels unsafe, 140 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: that matters to you. I went to Burlington last night, downtown. Okay, 141 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 4: no crime took place in front of me, but you 142 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 4: you basically are walking into a stadium. It feels like 143 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: the way that you're padded down almost. There's a security 144 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: guard at the door there on Bride on Broadway, okay, 145 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: to get into just the Burlington store. So you go 146 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: through one guard and then there's another guard on the 147 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: inside who the gate locked or has you know, a 148 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 4: sort of a blockade that you can't go through until 149 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 4: they say you can go through. That's how challenging it is. 150 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 4: Just to shop downtown because of the perception that bad 151 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: things are going to happen. 152 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: Well, people that live downtown should get some type of metal, 153 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: I think, or some type of recognition because you're you're 154 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: making a statement. 155 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean, downtown is great. It's gorgeous. 156 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: The buildings are spectacular, the older buildings, the newer buildings. 157 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right there. 158 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: All the action is, whether it's shopping, whether it's restaurants, 159 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: whether it's crypto and you know, the soccer. 160 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: There's so much to do there. 161 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: Yet you feel like you're like in a little bit 162 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: of you know, zombie land, especially after dark. 163 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 4: Zombie land is exactly the way to describe it. If 164 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: you watch The Walking Dead, you know the noises that 165 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: the walkers make, and those are the noises that I 166 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: hear outside my window all the time. And I had 167 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: this conversation with my spouse just last night as we 168 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: were leaving Burlington about how much I love downtown. If 169 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 4: you're looking up, you see the beautiful buildings, You see 170 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: a plane fly and there's just a beautiful shot of 171 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: an image of a plane flying in the air. You 172 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: see the silhouttes of the trees and all that. You 173 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: hear the music, you can smell the food, But once 174 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 4: you're looking down where you're walking on the sidewalks, you 175 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: see the garbage, you see the trash, you see the 176 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: bodies of people who are sleeping are odeed. 177 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: And this is two. 178 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: Years after Mayor Bass took office with homelessness as priority 179 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: number one. 180 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 181 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: And the argument that we don't hear enough is a 182 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: lot of these folks who are homeless, like the ones 183 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: we encounter downtown every day, So probably not folks who 184 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 4: are ever going to return to any type of productive 185 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: position in society. So it's not about the cost of 186 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: housing for them. It's a lot more intentional health, drug alcohol. 187 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 4: But what about for the rest of us who are 188 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 4: living down there, what is the incentive or what is 189 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 4: the encouragement to stay when that is the environmental You. 190 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: Know, I have said this so many times. If I 191 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: was an elected official, is that Hernandez's district downtown. 192 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: Or the new woman that. 193 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: If it's baths, I mean, I would rent one of 194 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: those mobile office trailers and I would park it in 195 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: the middle of the encampment, and I would put out 196 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: a sign, you know, homelessness services, and I wouldn't move 197 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: that trailer till every person in that area was taken 198 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: care of. And I know that's over simplistic, and you know, 199 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: sounds easy for me to say, but you know, we 200 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: talk about this urgency, and we talk about this being priority, 201 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: the top priority. Yet you know when you go home 202 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: this evening, you're gonna step around a dozen homeless people 203 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: who are in desperate need of help and it just 204 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: goes on indefinitely. 205 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: You're not exaggerating, and yes, they are in need of help. 206 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 4: The question is do they want it in their state 207 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: of mind currently? Do they want help that could rehabilitate them, 208 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: or do they just want to get higher or do 209 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: they just want to go hang out with their buds 210 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 4: on the street and their tents. 211 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: Which then brings up the question, of course, of how 212 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: you force people into treatment that don't want it. 213 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: And those who are advocates. 214 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: Of homelessness rights, I guess you would say, or individual 215 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: rights like the council members you just love it. Yeah, 216 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: like the liberal members of the Los Angeles City Council say, hey, 217 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: you know, we can't force them into treatment unless they're 218 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: you know, an immediate danger to themselves. 219 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: That fifty one to fifty. We've talked about. 220 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: Boy, I don't think we're going to resolve this issue 221 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: like in the next couple of minutes. But it just 222 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: I've said it here over and over again. I think 223 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: the problem ultimately be maybe too big to solve. I 224 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: have a press release from loss of the Los Angeles 225 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 3: Homeless Services Authority touting all the progress they've made, which 226 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: is accurate in terms of numbers. 227 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: But you know, you live like crime. It's like the 228 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 4: crime stats. You can point to the numbers all you want, 229 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 4: but what is the experience that people are having. I 230 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 4: know for a fact, just by looking out my window 231 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: where I live in the Fashion District, there are more 232 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 4: tens outside the back of my building than there were 233 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: a few months ago. 234 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: And if you ever want to be like shocked out 235 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 3: of your mind, go to skid Row. 236 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm too black, I mean from it. 237 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: It's it's a tragedy that that neighborhood continues to exist, 238 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: apparently indefinitely. 239 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: But it's so BEAUTIFU when you're looking up. 240 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: All right, that's Michael Monk's motto, Downtown Los Angeles, look up. 241 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael. Always good to talk to you. I'm 242 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: Phil Schuman, back after a break. 243 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 244 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 6: six forty. 245 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: Phil Schuman from Fox eleven News sitting in for John 246 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: coe Belt. Really enjoy the opportunity to do this. Always 247 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 3: a big listener in KFI, the old AMFM clock radio 248 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: with the airpiece by my bed, or in the app 249 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app, or in the car on that iHeartRadio app. 250 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: I know you have an opinion about this question. 251 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: Should Lyle and Eric Menendez be released after thirty plus years? 252 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: You click on the microphone icon and you can record 253 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: a message and then we'll play them on the air. 254 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: I mentioned this because as we speak, relatives of the 255 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: parents of Eric and Lyle Menandez Menandez, about two dozen 256 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: of them, are meeting with new District Attorney Nathan Hakman 257 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: to try to push for him to support his predecessor, 258 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: George Gascon's efforts to resentence Eric and Lyle and which 259 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 3: would practically speaking result in their immediate release. 260 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: The quote from the. 261 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: Members of Jose and Kitty Menendez family are is this, 262 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: we are all united in support for a re sentencing 263 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 3: process that reflects Eric and Lyle's abuse, trauma, and demonstrated 264 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: rehabilitation over the last thirty five years. Now, if you're 265 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: listening to us here on KFI, we certainly don't need 266 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: to recap the case in detail, but you remember that 267 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: back in nineteen eighty nine, they shotgunned their parents, Jose 268 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 3: and Kitty Menendez, to death. 269 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: Their first trial was ended in a hung jury. That 270 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: was in. 271 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety three, and then in nineteen ninety six the 272 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: second trial, both Eric and Lyle, who were twenty one 273 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: and eighteen, respectively when the murders happened, were convicted and 274 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Remember, 275 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: during the first trial, they argued that they killed their 276 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: parents after years of sexual and emotional abuse from the father, 277 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: which they claimed the mother ignored. They also claim they 278 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: somehow feared for their lives when they committed the murders. 279 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: And this past fall, even though he says it was unrelated, 280 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: after this really dramatic and graphic Netflix series on the 281 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: Menendez brothers as well as an unrelated documentary, former DA 282 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 3: George Gascone supported resentence resentencing the brothers, which would make 283 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 3: them immediately. 284 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Eligible for parole. 285 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: But after that, you know what happened to Gascone, he 286 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: was voted out of office, and new DA Nathan Hockman 287 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: said he wanted to review the evidence before making any 288 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: decisions on supporting the resentencing. So this afternoon I'm reading 289 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: that at four point thirty we will be I will 290 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: be off the air here, but Tim Conway June will 291 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: be on that Hawkman is going to have yet another 292 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: press conference to give an update on the meetings with 293 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: the family members. No doubt we'll hear from the family 294 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: members well as well. And is it shocking to you, 295 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: I mean, as it is to me that it's the 296 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: family members of Kitty, and in particular Kitty, the mom 297 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: and Jose that are pushing for the brothers to be released. 298 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: I mean, logically or emotionally, you might think that the 299 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: relatives of the ones who were shotgun to death would 300 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: be pushing for Lyle and Eric to stay behind bars 301 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: and serve their sentence of life without parole, even if, 302 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: and again you could make arguments on both sides of this, 303 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: even if there had been abuse physical and psychological, and 304 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: in particular when it comes to murdering Kitty, who at 305 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: worst is accused of turning a blind eye, towards the 306 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: abuse or not do anything, doing anything to stop it, 307 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: which of course is reprehensible. But does that deserve do 308 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: you deserve to be murdered as a result of that? 309 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: And can they be considered separately? That might be a 310 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: question that Hawkman could be asked. I mean, could one 311 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: be released and the other not? I doubt it, but 312 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: he did something. He did say something really strange earlier 313 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: this month. He said, we've always thought of Eric and 314 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: Lyle Menendez as a package deal, the Menendez brothers, when 315 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: they could be handled separately. The quote from Hawkman at 316 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: the time was that's how it should have been done. 317 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily know why he's saying that, since they 318 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: were both tried together, both the first trial and the 319 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: second trial. So it's just a very emotional, controversial, sensational 320 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: subject to discuss. If I had my vote, I say 321 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: their original sentence stands. 322 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean, were they abused? I don't know the answer 323 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: to that question. 324 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: If you watched the documentary, if you watch the Netflix series, 325 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: it certainly supported and showed the abuse, not technically showing it, 326 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: but implied it. 327 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: And it was just gut wrenching. 328 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: I mean, this one of the most powerful scenes of 329 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 3: all was Remember it was Eric recounting the abuse by 330 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: his dad in the interview room at La County Men's 331 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: Central Jail, in which from a cinematic point of view, 332 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: was remarkable and that the camera never moved for like 333 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: a half an hour. It was like a two shot 334 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: from behind the head of the defense attorney focused on 335 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: Eric as he and Lyle, and it was Eric or Lyle, 336 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: you have to forgive me, maybe it was Lyle as 337 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: he recounted this incredibly traumatic story of years of abuse, 338 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: and Gascone talked about, well, now we understand that males 339 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: can be abused as well as females. Well, we understood 340 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: this in the nineteen eighty nine it's not like we're 341 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 3: talking about, you know, nineteen fifty. So this is one 342 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: of the most scrutinized decisions that new District Attorney Nathan 343 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: Hawkman will have to make. Will he support the efforts 344 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: to re sentence the Menendez brothers and result essentially in 345 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: their immediate release ultimately? From the lawyers that we've talked 346 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: to about this, from all the research we've done, it's 347 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: not really up to the district attorney, of course, it's 348 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: up to a judge. There was a hearing earlier or 349 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: earlier in December that was continued till later in January, 350 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: and that's when we're going to learn a lot more. 351 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: But again today it's significant because family members and like 352 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: two dozen family members of Kitty and Jose the victims here, 353 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: are going to meet with d. A. Hawkman in what 354 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: they say is quote an open and fair discussion, they hope, 355 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: and they're saying, despite the abuse they endured as children, 356 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: the unfairness of their current sentence, I reckon Lyle Menendez 357 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: have spent the last three decades taking responsibility for their 358 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: actions and contributing positively to their community through leadership and rehabilitation. 359 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: And remember when we were with you earlier in the week. 360 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 3: We talked about the potential of this not going their 361 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 3: way because one of the key advisors to Nathan Hawkman, 362 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 3: who's going to head his Bureau of Victims Rights, as 363 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: Kathleen Katie, who's a former deputy district attorney who for 364 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: a time represented another relative of Kitty Menendez. I believe 365 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 3: one of her brothers who one hundred percent disagrees with 366 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 3: the rest of his family and says that the Menendez 367 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: boys should stay behind bars, should serve out their sentence 368 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: of life without parole. That was the opinion of one 369 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 3: relative of Kitty Menendez, who was represented by Kathleen Katie, 370 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 3: who's now a key advisor to Nathan Hawkman, which not 371 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 3: to make things a little bit more complicated, but then 372 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: that led them to appeal to California Attorney General Rob 373 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 3: Bonta to take over this case because of this perceived 374 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: or alleged conflict now between Hawkman Kathleen Katie, and the 375 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: questions their ability to render an unbiased opinion about the 376 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: chances or the wisdom of letting the Menendez brothers out. 377 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: So it's a lot to keep track of, and that's 378 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: that's our job here at KFI, right, we kind of 379 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: sort of lead you through the ins and outs of 380 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 3: these bizarre twists and turns of a case like the 381 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: Menendez brothers that impacted so many of us here in 382 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: southern California and continues to be this source of I 383 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: guess you'd call it sort of voyeuristic entertainment. All right, 384 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 3: I'm Phil Schimman. We're going to take a break. 385 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI. 386 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 3: A six forty Back to reality when you look at 387 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: the headlines today, going back to New Orleans on New 388 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: Year's morning, barricades were supposed to keep Bourbon Street Revelus safe. 389 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: Here's why they weren't operational. Worst case scenario when needed, 390 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: most New Orleans ballards because of those steel posts were 391 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: missing in action headline on CNN new warnings about potential copycats. 392 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: Knew of the possibility of car ramming attacks. So my 393 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: question that I was talking about earlier was can the victims' 394 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 3: families sue the city of New Orleans or another entity 395 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: over this and here to sort of sort this out. 396 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 3: I appreciate you being with us on short notice. Brian Claypool, 397 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: Pasadena slash Los Angeles based attorney Brian always good to 398 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: talk with you. 399 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: Hey's so great to see you again, and Happy New Year. 400 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: Happy New Year too, do I mean? 401 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: I know it might sound cold, it's relatively soon after 402 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: the tragedy, but with all these allegations of negligence on 403 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: the part of officials in terms of maintaining an adequate 404 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: security perimeter and taking adequate precautions, can say the families 405 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: of the victims sue? 406 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: And who would they sue? 407 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: Good question. There's good news and some potential bad news 408 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: for families of those who perished and those who were injured. 409 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: The good news is yes they can sue. And remember 410 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: I was a victim of the Las Vegas shooting. 411 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: I remember that, Yes. 412 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I saw people shot and killed. And before 413 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: I even talk about the legal analysis, want to send 414 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: my heartfelt you know, love and support to all those impacted, 415 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: because this trauma felt sears your soul forever, it never 416 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: goes away. So but back to the legal part. You know, 417 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 2: in Vegas, we sued the you know, we sued the 418 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: Mandalay Bay MGM because it's their duty, much like it's 419 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: the City of New Orleans duty to safeguard in the 420 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: area right where people are are congregating. So here, the 421 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: city New Orleans clearly had at its fingertips these cement 422 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what to call them, these cement barriers 423 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: that could have blocked you know, this guy's truck from 424 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: driving through there, and and and and a quick analysis 425 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: is the city would have to owe a duty. It's 426 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: a duty negligence and then causation. Clearly they owe a 427 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: duty right because there have been prior incidents of car 428 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: ramming into people. Uh, something happened I think in Germany 429 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago with that. So there's clearly 430 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: a duty ode and where they were they negligent. My 431 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: argument would be absolutely, they had these these cement barriers 432 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: and they were they were being I guess, uh, rehabilitated 433 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: for the Super Bowls I've done. That doesn't help the 434 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: city pill because that actually shows that it's on their 435 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 2: radar screen. Right, we knew we had to have these 436 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: out there. We didn't have them there. We didn't spend 437 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: enough money to have more out there, and that's going 438 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: to be the argument of these families. And then the 439 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: last element, though, is causation. That gets a little dice, 440 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: he felt, because you clearly it's the fault of the city. 441 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: The city would argue in a lawsuit, well, it's also 442 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: the fault of the perpetrator. And in almost every jurisdiction 443 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: you get what's called an apportionment of fault. What's that mean. Well, 444 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: in the verdict form, a jury would say, who's your fault? 445 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: The city one hundred fifty is the killer fifty percent responsible? 446 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: A jury would find the killer, you know, responsible for 447 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: somewhat of a percentage, which would reduce the award. But 448 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: here's the bad news I think for the for the 449 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: victims pill real quick. In Louisiana, there's a cap on 450 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: damages for personal injury against government municipalities that you can 451 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: believe that I found out the hard way a few 452 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: years ago. I had a case against Baton Rouge, the 453 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: city of Baton Ruse I see the police department for 454 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: police officer allegedly raping an LSU college student after he 455 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: pulled her over for suspective DUI and I found out 456 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: in the middle of that case, I was taking the 457 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: cops deposition found out that there was a cap of 458 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars on recovering money for victims of 459 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: personal injury against cities and government entities. So that's kind 460 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: of the bad news for the family. 461 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: We're talking live with Brian Claypool, attorney, and Brian, you 462 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: were the survivor of that October twenty seventeen mass shooting 463 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: in Las Vegas when that mad man opened fire on 464 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: the Route ninety one Harvest music festival from the Mandalay 465 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 3: Bay Hotel. And so you mentioned there were lawsuits after that, 466 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: I'm sure, And so how did that work out? And 467 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 3: is that analogous to say the New Orleans situation? 468 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question, Phil, Absolutely, So the lawyers who are 469 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 2: going to be representing these family members should use the 470 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: template that we used and really felt what to simplify 471 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: these cases in Vegas are hardest hurdle, which is going 472 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: to be the hurdle for the victims in New Orleans, 473 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: is proving what's called reasonable foreseeability. What does that mean? 474 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: You've got to prove You've got to prove that it 475 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: was reasonably foreseeable, for example, to the Mandale Bay, to MGM, 476 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: that somebody could get access to the thirty second floor 477 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: and you know, pull out of some automatic weapons shoot 478 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: and kill people. Here. You've got to show that there's 479 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 2: reasonably foreseeable that somebody would take a truck or a 480 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 2: car and drive through and kill people. How do you 481 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: prove that fell You prove it prior incidents's prior reports 482 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: right all throughout the country. 483 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: That to me would seem that would seem obvious. 484 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: I mean they've had specific threats and they and they 485 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: guard against that specifically. 486 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, in New Orleans, you're right right in New Orleans, 487 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: if heart present agree with you. In Vegas. In Vegas still, man, 488 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: it was it was daunt It was a lot harder 489 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: because think about it, you got to get proved that 490 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: somebody could go up in a room. But by the 491 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: grace of God, we dug deep and found out that 492 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: there was a prior report with the Mandalei Bay six 493 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: years prior where a guy actually went up on a 494 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: high floor and had a semiotic we automatic weapon that 495 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: was pointing it at the Las Vegas Strip. That's all 496 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: we needed Phil to win that case. That's how we 497 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: help win. But in Orleans, man, that's a slam dunk. 498 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: The city's gonna get sued. There is reasonable foreseeability that 499 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: some lunatic would do what they did. I just feel 500 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: bad for family members that this cap, this monetary cap, 501 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: might limit, you know, what they should really be entitled 502 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: to recover. 503 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: And now, looking ahead, of course, we got the super 504 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: Bowl coming up there February ninth, I would imagine security 505 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: would be unprecedented, even though Super Bowl is already what 506 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: they call a national security special event and the FEDS 507 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: are in charge. Could you imagine what it would be 508 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 3: like to be in New Orleans in advance of the 509 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: Super Bowl. 510 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, so you know, I'll go one stuff further. 511 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: I was pretty upset that the Notre Dame Georgia football 512 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: game took place the next day. Right, think about it. 513 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: Do you think that local and federal law enforcement was 514 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: able to parse out everything that happened, and you know, 515 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: for example, serve search warrants to get his phone and 516 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: get access to his computer, and you know, find out 517 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: the text messages, to find out whether there was any 518 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: other people helping. I thought it was patently irresponsible of 519 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: the NCAA to allow this football in the city, to 520 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: allow that football game to go forward for that reason, 521 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 2: and the second reason is to allow people to grieve. 522 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: Right died and you're having a football game. 523 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: Well, at least they postponed it one night. They weren't 524 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: even going to do that initially. 525 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: I know, dude, I mean, I mean, really, it was 526 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: less than twenty four hours. But look, look at the 527 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: end of the day, let's call it what it is. 528 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: I mean that this was a catastrophic failure in New Orleans. 529 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: You had resources available. You should have had him out there. 530 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: What are you going to do now for the Super Bowl? 531 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: What I've learned pil is in these mass tragedies it's 532 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: really an opportunity to learn. Every setback is a set 533 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: up to make things better in our world, and we 534 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: have to learn from this. Right, what are the feds? 535 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: What are the local government? What's law enforcement going to 536 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: do for the Super Bowl to make sure that everybody's safe? 537 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: And they they better get on it pretty quick. Right, 538 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: You're not only barriers, but but but for example, Phil, 539 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: are they are they serving social media? That's been my 540 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: big beat since Vegas. You people, look, this guy posted 541 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: on social media too. Correct, All these mass killers post 542 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: ahead of time, like a manifesto that they're going to 543 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: do something bad. What are we doing to canvass that, 544 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: to find out what somebody nefarious might be up to 545 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: try to prevent it. That's a separate layer of security 546 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: that really needs to get into place for the Super Bowl. 547 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 3: No, you're one hundred percent correct, And we spent some 548 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: time talking about that earlier this afternoon and then yesterday 549 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: as well. It's all of this discussion about he was radicalized, 550 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: was he self radicalized, was he recruited? And you know, 551 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: all that sort of a pure and detail. But the point, 552 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, is not just to learn what happened 553 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: to this guy but how you prevent it from happening 554 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: to the next person. And what about this massive security 555 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: apparatus from the local, state, and national level of Terrorism 556 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 3: task Force and the National Security Agency which opposedly listens 557 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: in on all of our communications and has computer programs 558 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 3: that can pick out red flags and key phrases. I mean, yes, 559 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: in a country of a three hundred and thirty five 560 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: million people, it's not easy to stop one bad guy. 561 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: But as you mentioned, it seems like this was just 562 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: a failure on so many levels. 563 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: Well, and still one last point that you just maybe 564 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: think of another point, which is where's the federal government's 565 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: responsibility in this And that's where some of these families 566 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: and uros might they might be able to go after 567 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: the federal government and where there is no CONFI damages. 568 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: What do I mean by that? Well, like you just said, 569 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: you made a great point. This was if this was 570 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: deemed a terrorist attack. Even if it's not, it's the 571 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: duty of the federal government as well to help state 572 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: and local officials prevent terroristic acts. Right for example, with 573 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: the Rose Bull I live in Pasadena. 574 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, just the other day from the Rose Bull. 575 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 2: Dude, you don't think that the fed was involved in 576 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: safeguarding the Rose Bowl parade in the football game the 577 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: other day. I mean the federal government should be involved. 578 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: Are they involved? Do we know? Is there transparency? How 579 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: involved was the federal government in helping local officials in 580 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: New Orleans in advance of the Sugar Bowl? What is 581 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: the federal government going to do to help prevent a 582 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: similar act for the Super Bowl? So we need two 583 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: layers of government, and I think we need more transparency 584 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: in what they're doing. Federal government needs to be doing 585 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: more in terms of trying to, you know, ferret out 586 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: these lunatics, and they have the resources to do that, 587 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: and that's you know, we need both both of that 588 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: to prevent this from happening. Again. 589 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: Amen to that. 590 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 3: Brian Cleaypool passiting a base attorney. I appreciate your insight 591 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: as always, good to talk to you and look forward to. 592 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: Talking with you again. 593 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: You bet take care for it. 594 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: But I'm Phil human In for John Coblt. 595 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am 596 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 6: six forty. 597 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: I'm Phil human In for a John Cobelt with you 598 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 3: till four o'clock this afternoon. The news can tines to 599 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: be dominated by the fallout from the New Orleans terror attack. 600 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: The suspect motivated inspired by by ISIS is the choice 601 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: that the FBI is using one hundred percent inspired by 602 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: is their terminology. And then the investigators are trying to 603 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: figure out, based on a search of him, his electronics, 604 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: of his life, of his friends, of his family, when 605 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: this Jabbar fellow became quote radicalized. And again, if you 606 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: use Google these days, which we do a lot. I 607 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: do a lot because I'm constantly like searching for information. 608 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: And when then when we're here on KFI, you know, 609 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: with hours to fill a lot of what we depend 610 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: on is the Internet to be honest, researching articles, gathering information. 611 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: And when you use Google these days, and I don't 612 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 3: know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. 613 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 3: The first thing that pops up right is what they 614 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: call an AI overview. I guess it's a good thing 615 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: if you accept the fact that AI in this instance 616 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 3: serves to scour the Internet, scour available resources and then 617 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: quickly compile the best information available as opposed to doing 618 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: a Google search. And we've all done this, right, And 619 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 3: you search, say radicalization, and you come up with, you know, 620 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 3: a thousand different sources of information and how. 621 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: Do you pick them? 622 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: So what AI does is consolidate and summarize them, which 623 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: quite frankly I appreciate. So this radicalization concept because we're 624 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: trying to figure out how someone becomes radicalized, How someone 625 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 3: born in this country, grew up in this country, becomes 626 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 3: so disillusioned with the way of life that we have, 627 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: with the freedoms that we have, with the customs that 628 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: we have. Whether it's music, whether it's alcohol, whether it's entertainment, 629 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: whether it's dating. I mean, something pushed this guy over 630 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: the edge. So how does one become radicalized? And what 631 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 3: is radicalized means? It means basically adopting extreme beliefs or ideologies, 632 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: often through you know, we've seen this exposure to extremist narratives. 633 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: This could be someone that has a personal grievance, it's 634 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: someone that has a sense of isolation. It's someone that 635 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: has a desire for belonging to a different group. 636 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: It could be someone that's recruited. 637 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 3: By an extremist group, or they're exposed to propaganda online 638 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 3: and then they're searching for a community that validates their 639 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: extremist views and gives them some sense of larger purpose. 640 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: And so here's some key points. 641 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 3: About radicalization vulnerability factors. And again I say this because 642 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: our goal in and covering these stories is not just 643 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: to report on the sensational, on the sad, on the dramatic, 644 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: on the outrageous, on the loss, but it's to try 645 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 3: to educate ourselves. We talked yesterday about to see something, 646 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 3: say something, try to educate ourselves about who is committing 647 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 3: these kinds of outrageous acts, terrorist acts, crimes. How do 648 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 3: we identify them if they're our neighbor or our friend, 649 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: or our work colleague or our family member. And then 650 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 3: what is our responsibility to report that to try to 651 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 3: prevent the next truck attack that kills fourteen people of 652 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 3: New Year's morning in city blank. So key points about 653 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: radicalization vulnerability factors. Individuals experiencing personal challenges like job loss, 654 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 3: relationship issues which apparently was this suicide bomber in the 655 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 3: cyber truck in Vegas, discrimination trauma, and then they're more 656 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: SUSCEPTI doable to radicalization because you're frustrated and you're like 657 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: searching for some kind of greater meaning in your life. 658 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 3: And then of course we know that extremist groups use 659 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: online platforms to spread propaganda, to target individuals that might 660 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 3: have a grievance against America, against society, against whatever it 661 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 3: is that you feel offended by. I've talked about this 662 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 3: many times that I feel strongly that when the history 663 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 3: of our time is written, whether it's a couple of 664 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: hundred years from an hour or five hundred years from now, 665 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 3: if the Earth survives, that the Internet as a whole 666 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: will turn out to be a net negative. I just 667 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 3: think as great as it is that you can google 668 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 3: things or send a picture of your dinner on Instagram 669 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: to all of your followers, or you know, buy a 670 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 3: car online, or pick your favorite Internet application, I just 671 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 3: think the downside the negative. The dark web is so 672 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 3: costly and so damaging, especially the young people who whose 673 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 3: minds aren't yet fully formed yet, spend hour after hour 674 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 3: with their heads down staring at their phone or their 675 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: laptop alone, not talking to people. The downside of the 676 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 3: Internet is just overwhelming to me. So we're talking about 677 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 3: key points about radicalization. Obviously we know that people can 678 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 3: be recruited. It's interesting, and it's that it's a gradual process. 679 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 3: This isn't something that happens overnight. So it's hard necessarily 680 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 3: you're seeing somebody on a regular basis to get that 681 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: sense that they're going down the wrong path, they're going 682 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 3: down into a deep dark hole. And we do know that, 683 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 3: you know, radical groups, really, any group, but radical groups 684 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: in particular give people a strong sense of identity and purpose, 685 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 3: and especially if you feel like you're marginalized somehow or 686 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 3: you're discriminated again, so you're disconnected from mainstream society. Again, 687 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 3: all of this wisdom coming from the Internet that I'm 688 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 3: denouncing with like a really quick AI overview of how 689 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 3: someone becomes radicalized. 690 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: How does someone become get behind the wheel of. 691 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 3: A truck and plow through crowds of innocent people celebrating 692 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 3: New Year's Eve in New Orleans? I mean, how does 693 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 3: that happen? This is just a question that is fascinating 694 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 3: to me. And then as individuals, it says, become more radicalized, then, 695 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 3: as you can imagine, they sort of justify almost anything 696 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 3: to achieve their goals. And their goals might be to 697 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 3: strike out against Western society, to strike out against a 698 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 3: particular group. If you're a white supremacist, if you're an 699 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: anti Semiti, and there's lots of written. I mean, what 700 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 3: are the four stages of radicalization? Why extremist acts? The 701 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 3: National Institute of Justice as articles that go on in 702 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 3: all about five things about the role of social network 703 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 3: and domestic terror, how do people radicalize, radicalism and extremism, 704 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 3: how children may be at risk. In other words, there 705 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: is a wealth of information about this, but what we 706 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 3: haven't seen is an equal amount of information about how 707 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 3: you prevent people who become radicalized from taking that next 708 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 3: step into violent acts that kill innocent people. It's a 709 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 3: lot to think about it on a Friday afternoon, the 710 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 3: first Friday of January twenty twenty five. But these are 711 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 3: things that we unfortunately have to deal with. 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