1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined with 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: our super producer, Paul Decant. Give him an audio nod 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: or clap at the spirit so moves you. But most importantly, 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: you are here, and you are you, and that makes 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. We hope 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: this podcast finds you in good spirits. We hope you 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: find our voices. Uh, if not soothing, tolerable, just get 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: some room tone, some hom tone. See now, what we'll 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: do is take that and then run it through a 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: program that specifically deletes all of that. Yeah, because we're 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: all about noise reduction here on stuff they don't want 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: you to know, it's correct. We also link many podcasters 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: put in our due diligence when it comes to finding 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: isolating and erasing strange or extraneous noises. And this brings 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: us to maybe an opening question for today's show. Have 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: you ever heard a sound that bugs you? Now, we're 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: not We're not referencing something like miss aphonia, where certain 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: noises push you into a blind rage, like snoring or 23 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: the sounds of forks on ceramics. That's a big one 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 1: for people. Uh, we're talking about something you just can't 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: quite put your finger on in some cases, as in 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: my case. In our home, there's a leaky faucet that 27 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: I have yet to fix, and I keep putting it off. 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: But man, that sound, it just feels like it reverberates 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: throughout my smile, my small home. Man, there's these sounds 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: happening again. It's almost like they're haunting me. But there 31 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: are other things, like maybe a fan in it's oscillating 32 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: just slightly as it's spinning around just a little too much. 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: You know, I have a family of rabid squirrels that 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: live in my attic. Oh wow, they make all kinds 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: of sounds. Oh yeah, they do. I've had that before. 36 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: We actually just fixed it, but I was really worried 37 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: that my landlord was gonna block off the whole while 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: the squirrels were still in there. And then the smell. 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: You didn't think of the smell, you know, Well, I 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: I texted him, please please don't close up the whole 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: while the squirrels are still in there. And he seemed 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: a little offended that I would think you would be 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: so stupid. But only response was sure, Oh, I thought 44 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: it was a reply was lull? No, it was sure. 45 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Actually unclear about what that response, uh implied if he 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: was annoyed with me, or if he really hadn't considered 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: it right right. It's tough to tell in text, but 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: there is regardless of the source of the sound, there's 49 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: an immense satisfaction we can all agree and identifying it 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: and stopping it, you know, and you find a leaky faucet, 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: you fix it. The squirrels are out of the attic. 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: But in some cases, that wine, that creek, that hum or, 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: that odd bump every every night at three seven am, 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: regardless of what you do. In some cases, they can 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: continue indefinitely. And for years, the entire city of Windsor, Ontario, 56 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: has been haunted by an unidentified noise. Locals compare it 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: to the sound of distant thunder, which actually sounds sort 58 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: of romantic and when you first think about it, or 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: a subwoofer at a concert which sounds torturous, or a 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: fleet of diesel engines idling and they call this the 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: Windsor hum So. Windsor, Ontario is right across the river 62 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: from Detroit, Michigan. It is the southernmost city in Canada 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: and actually due south of Detroit due to the way 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: the river bends. And it's counterintuitive on the map, it's 65 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: it's not a huge metropolis, you know, it's New New 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: York City, Shanghai or Chicago. But it's it's certainly not 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: a tiny town. It has a pretty pretty robust population, 68 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: has a metro area, right, yeah, And it is strange 69 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: to see it when you see Lake St. Clair and 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: then just this river, the Detroit River going down and 71 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: how really close these two cities are Detroit and Windsor. 72 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: It's it's odd. Yes, yes, it's odd. And they're so 73 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: close that they cannot not affect each other. Correct. The 74 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: total population of the Windsor metro area as of was 75 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: around three DT four thousand, seven seven people. It feels 76 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: weird to say around and then give the exact number, 77 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: but that probably has changed over time because we're in now. 78 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: As Noll pointed out, that metropolitan area includes more than 79 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: just Windsor has Tecumsa, Amherstburg, LaSalle and Lake shore included there, 80 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: and the a city has had its ups and downs. 81 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: The recession hit the area very hard. We're talking about 82 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: an automotive industry that went and declined steelmaking as well, 83 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: and this led a vice journalist named Minisha Krishnan to 84 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: compile a series of let's call them unflattering depictions of 85 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: the town. It was described as again, this is not us. 86 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 1: I don't think any of us have been to Windsor. 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: Have we not yet? No, No, I've never been to 88 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: Canada that I recall. We'll get up there. Let's get 89 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: up there together, guys. How about that? Sure, let's take 90 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: a trip. If we go to Windsor, According to some 91 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: of its critics, we will be visiting Canada's armpit, a 92 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: place known for car robberies, drug dealing, and quote zero 93 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: to little culture. One person poetically noted Windsor smells like 94 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: desperate American youth mixed with dirty Canadian hosers. Who are 95 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: these people talking such trash about Windsor? They're people from 96 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: winds of Windsor. One one student at the University of 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: Windsor said the city may smell and the university maybe, 98 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: but who gives up once you're drunk. Not a ringing endorsement, 99 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: but the city has been on the up and up recently. Yeah, 100 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: there's been some urban revitalization. Um the thing we call 101 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: you notice that down there. Gentrification maybe is another word 102 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: to to call it, but hey, it's been in full swing. 103 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: All kinds of things, you know, um, are are being 104 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: created there that used to be on the rebels of 105 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: someone else's troubles. There we go, that was well done. 106 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: That Yeah, Art Galleries and Windsor is also known for 107 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: its pizza. Apparently the secret is they cut the pepperoni 108 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: into small bits. Do you think it's sort of like 109 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: the New York New York pizza dough and bagels? Because 110 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: there's something weird going on in the water. Quite possibly, 111 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: I would. I would love to check it out, take 112 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: some tests to samples, yes, us for science. We can 113 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: pitch it to our bosses. If you live in the area, 114 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: right in and let them know that you'd love to 115 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: see us on the road. Foreshadowing. It's also known for 116 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: its strip clubs, and according to some more cynical locals, 117 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: the best thing about it is that it's close to Detroit, 118 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: really really close. Yeah. Atlanta is also known for its 119 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: strip clubs, just putting it out there because we have 120 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: something in common. Oddly enough, Portland is known for that too. Yeah. 121 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: The well, the last time I was there, the uber 122 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: driver told me he was listing facts about Portland's you know, 123 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: and uh he one of the facts he listed, somewhat awkwardly, 124 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: he said, I, you know, I don't know if you're 125 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: into this or what kind of trip you're on, but 126 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Portland has the highest per capita amount of strip clubs. 127 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: And it's like, you mean in Oregon And he said, 128 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, no, in the US. I 129 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: have not verified that. I'm not no judgment. I'm not 130 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: really strip club aficionado. I just picture the strippers in 131 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: Portland wearing all handmade clothes, right birds on it. I 132 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: don't know. Sorry, I love that. Sorry. We could only 133 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: hope you know that that sounds pretty interesting. Of course, 134 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: there is one other local phenomenon, and that is the 135 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: subject of today's episode, the hum Because, along with several 136 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: other small towns, Windsor, Ontario, has been plagued by this 137 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: humming sound in unpredictable ways, at least since two thousand eleven. 138 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: No one seems to know the origin of it. And 139 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: as of yet, as we record, no one has been 140 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: able to accurately predict when it will occur. And do 141 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: you want to let everybody hear what it sounds like. 142 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna play a quick clip here. But if you 143 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: don't have some some pretty good headphones with frequency response 144 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: that goes well into the deep registers, you may not 145 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: be able to hear this um your phone. Definitely, if 146 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: you're playing with your phone speakers, you're not gonna be 147 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: able to hear it. So prepare yourselves with some either 148 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: headphones or speakers and listen to this. And that's it. 149 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: And I totally get the the whole sound of a 150 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: sub wiffer out in the distance, like there's a concert 151 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: occurring somewhere that you can't see, but you can totally 152 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: hear the base. I get that with this place called 153 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: Plaza Fiesta that's near my home, which is great. That's 154 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: my favorite place in Atlanta. It's one of the coolest 155 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: places in Atlanta. But if they have an outdoor concert 156 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: or something, you can totally hear the sub wolfer like 157 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: way way far away. Yes, yeah, because that sound carries 158 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: so powerfully, and we know that for many people listening 159 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: It may sound like you just sat through a couple 160 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: of seconds of silence, but as my fellow co Ho, 161 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: both of whom are noted audio experts, can assure you, 162 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: we really did play a clip that had a sound 163 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: in it, right, it was real. I mean Paul was 164 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: supposed to stick it in and post. He did his job, right. Then, 165 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: we did play a clip. We didn't make it happen manually, though. 166 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: We got the We got the drug. Yeah he did. 167 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: He did. Like to think. You know, he's the only 168 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: person on our show who gets introduced with the last name. 169 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of strange? I feel like if somehow 170 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: he's way more important than us. You can use any 171 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: last name you want on the show man. Oh yeah, 172 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: they call you Ben, all right, gotcha. You can use 173 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: any name you want. And you know, no, now that 174 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: I think about it, we've never checked to see whether 175 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: Matt's real name is Matt. I mean, he's kind of real, trustworthy. 176 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: Face that's true. He's doing it. He's doing it right now, 177 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 1: don't face you stop. It's kind of like it's it's 178 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: kind of like in Primal Fear, Edward Norton's character for 179 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: most of the movie yeh, did you see that till 180 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: the term I don't wantice while it, but but we do. 181 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: We do know that this thing is apparently real nowadays. 182 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: If you're a person given to Facebook and you're interested 183 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: in this thing, there's good news. First, you can go 184 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: to our community page. Here's where it gets crazy, where 185 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: you can find where you can find us and your 186 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: fellow listeners sharing strange, bizarre stories and sometimes some really 187 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: solid jokes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Come for the creepy stories, 188 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: stay for the memes. That's what we've always said, every time, 189 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: every time. And the second thing you could do if 190 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: you are interested in this is check out Some of 191 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: the Facebook groups dedicated to solving the mystery of the 192 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: hum have not conclusively solved it yet, and we'll we'll 193 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: tell you why in a moment. But the individuals in 194 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: these groups and other forms online share information about the phenomenon, 195 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: recordings of the actual sound as best they can record it, 196 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: descriptions of where they were when they encounter something in 197 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: the time of day, and so on. And we should 198 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: say that not all residents of the affected communities claimed 199 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: to have heard this, so you'll you'll run into people 200 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: who say, well, my dad heard it or my significant 201 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: other did, but I have not personally encountered it. But nonetheless, 202 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: it is a well known phenomenon in this area, and 203 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: virtually everyone believes it's real. There's no one at this 204 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: point saying it's hocus pocus or a load of hocum. Yeah, 205 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: the ranges, those people like you said, maybe my dad 206 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: heard it to other people who have four recording like 207 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: recorders set up on their property somewhere recording every day, 208 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: just listening to this hume and trying to figure it out. 209 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: And this made us think, you know, off air, we 210 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: had talked about this a little bit. This made us 211 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: think of how many strange noises we just encounter and 212 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: accept in our day to day. Now, the four of 213 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: us live in a city, we live in a metro area, 214 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: and really it's startling how many noises we just don't 215 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: consciously registered that surround us at all times. And Paul 216 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: was mentioning earlier that when he or when other filmmakers 217 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: stopped for room tone and everybody quiets down for a moment, 218 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: that's when you hear this strange you know, I don't know, 219 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: a chuff, whatever it is, it's always something, especially if 220 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: you're outdoors, that's when you'll hear the construction equipment that's 221 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: going on miles away that you had no idea what 222 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: was happening, but you can totally hear it. And so 223 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: it's not unusual to have strange noises in our lives. 224 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: But the hum is a little bit different in this 225 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: case because it has been linked to detrimental health effects. Yeah, 226 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this's that's definitely changes the game a little bit. 227 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: It's been linked to actual physical symptoms like depression, which 228 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: seems broad to me, But we can move on from that, 229 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: and here's some more measurable ones. I would say nausea, 230 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: sleep problems, heart palpitations, ear aches, headaches, not to mention 231 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: another one that's a little broad, but I love it, 232 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: wide spread annoyance. That pro that's probably the most easily understood. Yea, yeah, 233 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: I guess. I guess when I say broad, it just 234 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: mean like one person's base level is another person's hyper annoyed. Um. 235 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: But I'm more interested in the you know, the hard 236 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: palpitations and the ear aches and anything physical like that. 237 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: You know. I mean, it sounds like most of the 238 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: people that live in winds Are, Ontario are probably pretty 239 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: depressed and annoyed already. If if the descriptions are any indication, 240 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: just putting that out there, no judgment on you. Wins 241 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: are these are in your words? Right? Yeah? These again 242 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: we haven't we haven't been there. But I appreciate the 243 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: point you mentioned all about baselines being radically different. You know, 244 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: some people are just real pills. That's a tragedy of 245 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: the human condition. But some experts have started calling this 246 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: a vibro acoustic disease, which sounds cool but a little 247 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: redundant in my opinion. There's a medical opinion we found 248 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: from a Dr. Darius Kohen, who is the director of 249 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: Autology and Neurotology at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan Eye, Ear, 250 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: and Throat Hospital, and he said that the low frequency 251 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: hume was unlikely to cause long term hearing damage, similar 252 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: to what we had talked about in our previous episode 253 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: on sonic weapons in Cuba, but it could be as 254 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: debilitating as tonitis. Tonitus is that persistent ringing in the 255 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: ears that just ruins life for some people, which I 256 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: think you get from pretty slow and steady hearing damage 257 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: over time. That's certainly one way, Like if you're a 258 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: sound guy, for example, and you're constantly exposing your ears 259 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: to you know, above recommended decibel levels, you know, on 260 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the regular, you could develop something like this. I could 261 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: see how this relatively imperceptible low frequency sound to to 262 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: most or you know, obviously it's perceptible, but it's certainly 263 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: kind of it's not to the point where you can't 264 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: year over it. It's just sort of like this base 265 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: level kind of buzz. I could see how over time, 266 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: if it was strong and a frequency, it could probably 267 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: damage your hearing well. And the other thing is, since 268 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: it's such a low frequency, it penetrates things like walls 269 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: when you're in your home. It's their reports of being 270 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: able to hear it sitting in the middle of your 271 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: living room or in your bedroom when you're trying to sleep. 272 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: So and if you imagine that sound of if there 273 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: was a subwoff for somewhere outside of your house, just 274 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: just going I'm picturing this sound as like a personification 275 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: of some sort of creepy dude and like a trench 276 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: coat just like coming into your house while you're sleep, 277 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: just humming in your ear. Jeez, I would take the dude, honestly, 278 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: because you can do something about it. You can put 279 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: down some just do what you said about You're like, 280 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, it couldn't come through walls, it's coming in 281 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: while you're sleeping, It's constantly outside knocking on your Yeah. 282 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's a great point. And another worthwhile point 283 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: to make is that this is not a case of 284 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: people imagining and noise. This is not mass hysteria. This 285 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: is not a shared audio hallucination, at least not all 286 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: the time. Because surely when you have a population this size, 287 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: there are going to be a couple of people who 288 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: are mistaken. Maybe it really was just their neighbor's sub moover. Yeah, 289 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: if it's just a couple of residents around the town 290 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: talking about, hey, I kind of heard this thing, maybe 291 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: open can I clarify with you? So this Dr Cohen Cohan, 292 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: he is he saying that the sound itself, when experienced, 293 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: could be as debilitating as tonitis. Just this the existence 294 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: of it constantly in your life, or that it could 295 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: cause the kind of effects that tonitus would cause over time. 296 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: Great question. Know that it would be equally as much 297 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: of a pain in the key stor as tonitus thought 298 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: that it would cause it. Okay, well, I think I 299 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: mischaracterized it entirely then, But um, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, 300 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: I bet you there's a there's an alternate opinion too, 301 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: probably or probably many. Oh yes, so we will encounter 302 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: them this thing. Here's how real it is. This thing 303 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: is so painful to part of the population that they've 304 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: packed up, they've moved, they've raised their tent stakes and 305 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: tried to escape the HUM. So what on earth is 306 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: this thing? Where does it come from? We'll tell you 307 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy, 308 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: because you see, the concern about the HUM went beyond 309 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: chatter a town hall and angry posts on forums. The 310 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: authorities got involved. Yeah, the Canadian government itself did. There 311 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: was a months long investigation by Natural Resources Canada in 312 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: the summer of and it identified the HUM as a 313 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: prominent airborne frequency of approximately thirty five hurts. And there 314 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: is a report that you can read on this that 315 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: you can find online by the Geological Survey of Canada 316 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: to it was performed inn and uh it goes through 317 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: exactly what they found. Yeah, And there was another fourteen 318 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: investigation carried out by the University of Western Ontario or 319 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: u w O and the University of Windsor, and they 320 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: were supported in this study by the Canadian Department of 321 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs and International Trade or de fight UH Fight 322 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: the Fight Uh. They also confirmed the existence of the 323 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: home in their study, and both of these endeavors were 324 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: able to prove that there was something weird going on, 325 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: something amiss, even if they could not conclusively discern the source. 326 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: They feel like they got close though. They feel like 327 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: they got close. And in that study they even look 328 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: at the hume in general that we've spoken about on 329 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: this show before, in all these various places of the world, 330 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: which you know, you imagine that the Windsor home is 331 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: a very specific thing that probably has a source, But 332 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: then they're all these other places in the world in Wales, 333 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: in British Columbia, in Mexico, Alabama, England, New Mexico too. Yeah, 334 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: just all these places that experienced something like this, And 335 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: the question then becomes what could be causing the sound. 336 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: That's what they were attempting to answer in this case. 337 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: And they had the benefit, at least the residents of 338 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: Windsor had the benefit of a government that took this seriously. 339 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: Because other reports of hums have been investigated with much 340 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: less rigor, you know, and you can also when you 341 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: read these studies, you can dig into the technical details 342 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: of the array they use, the algorithms they use, and 343 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: how they attempted to remove any alarmism or hysteria and 344 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: keep it all objective. But despite that, according to an 345 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: excellent article by The Guardian, the hums persistent presence in 346 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: the city has inspired a slew of their words not ours, 347 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories yep, from a PhD thesis that seeks to 348 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: incorporate or the noise into song or figure out what 349 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: kind of musical pattern, like you could sample the hum 350 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: like you could or maybe it's and some other grand 351 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: song like a whale song or something. Gotcha, it's coming 352 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: but coming from the Rouge River or maybe the Detroit River, right, yeah, 353 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: so not maybe not a whale, but some sort of yes, 354 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: some sort of musical phenomenon. There are also theories, of course, 355 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: that link the hum too unidentified flying objects or UFOs, 356 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: or possibly covert tunneling by the Canadian military. However, these studies, 357 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: although again they didn't definitively get their kaiser SoSE here, 358 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: they did pick what they would call a place of interest. 359 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: It's a little place called Zug Island. It's not real. 360 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 1: It is is very much real, and it's an amazing 361 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: name for an island. It's a terrible name, Zug. What 362 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: is it like? I am king of the Zog's. Yeah, 363 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a space slug. Ye, strange. 364 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: They sound like enemies of the Upampas. Indeed, it's it's 365 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: got a different name, the whole island. It is kind 366 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: of It is an island now, it wasn't always an island, 367 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: but it's a fascinating place. I'm sorry, I how to 368 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: something have not always been an island. I'm so glad 369 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: you asked. So. Originally the land, the land that would 370 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: become Zug Island, was a peninsula, and for thousands of years, 371 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: it was this uninhabited area that was also a Native 372 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: American burial ground. True story. Yeah, an uninhabited Native American 373 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: burial ground. What do we mean by uninhabited? We mean 374 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: that native populations would go there to bury their dead 375 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: and would not live there because they would be living 376 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: on a sacred grave site. Yeah, and then you know, wow, 377 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm picturing like a pet cemetery kind of situation. Well 378 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: just wait, So then it becomes an island after a 379 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: canal is dug. Okay, so if you're looking at it 380 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: on Google Maps, um, Detroit is just above it. And 381 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: then across the river, of course, you've got windsor and 382 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: you're traveling down the Detroit River, there's this tiny little thing. 383 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't even look like an island at all. Um. 384 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: And that's because this canal was dug around this peninsula 385 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: area where the Rouge River goes into the Detroit River. Right. Yes, 386 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: So now with this canal, the idea was that the 387 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: ships would be able to save some time. That's that's 388 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: all it was meant for. That's all it is. It's 389 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: a shortcut, and this allowed ships to bypass not even 390 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: that much of a distance, like several hundred yards. Maybe. 391 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: The island is named after a specific guy, Sammy Old Zug, 392 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: a bookkeeper and turned into a furniture magnet. I went 393 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: to Michigan to become a furniture magnet, and he turned 394 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: into a real estate mogul. And originally he and his 395 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: wife were going to live on Zug Island. It didn't 396 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: really suit them, so he ended up selling it and 397 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: it became a place where a lot of industries originally 398 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: dumped stuff again on this burial ground, big industries to 399 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: we're talking iron and steelworks, and uh, it really has 400 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: The work that's gone on on top of this land 401 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: has really taken a toll on it, oh the years. 402 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: And if you look at it in Google maps from above, 403 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: it looks just like a darkness, like a dystopian vision. Yeah, 404 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: from a steampunk novel. Yeah, yeah, it does have an 405 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: environmental toll. According to an article in the January edition 406 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: of the Detroit Free Press, the neighborhoods around the area 407 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: comprised six of the ten most polluted zip codes in Michigan. 408 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: Six of the ten cheese. The air quality samples contain lead, 409 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: high levels of methyl ethel keytone. Large numbers of cancer 410 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: and asthma cases occur there. There are foul smells with 411 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: sparkly dust that have to be removed with toilet cleaner cheese. 412 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: But the good news is local businesses, communities, and governments 413 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: have so far kept part of the island undeveloped and 414 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: otherwise scarce. Wildlife can thrive in those areas right now. 415 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: One of the big business on the island is US Steel, 416 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: which you may recall, friends and neighbors, especially American friends 417 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: and neighbors from recent conversations about steel tariffs here in 418 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah, still in business. It's a big business. 419 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: You might not hear about it much unless it pops 420 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: up in a political sphere or unless you are involved 421 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: in the steel or iron making industry. But yes, it 422 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: is a big deal. And US Steel. You might be 423 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: asking yourself, well, hey, guys, what do they do on 424 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: the island? We don't know. Well, according to US Steel 425 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: their website us steel dot com, this facility is called 426 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: Great Lakes Works, and on there it says this is 427 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: just what it says, steelmaking occurs here. It has finishing 428 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: facilities and uh. Products manufactured at the plant include hot rolled, 429 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: cold rolled, and coated sheet steels that are used primarily 430 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: by customers in the automotive industry. However, if you look 431 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: at the thing and you look at the place, it 432 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: doesn't look like much as going on there. That's the 433 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: other thing that's this is the primary beef people have 434 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: with it. They say that U. S Steel is uncooperative 435 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: in terms of allowing access to the island, and that 436 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: breeds of course, that breeds suspicion. Right, Yeah, But We've 437 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: run into this before with any kind of utility or 438 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: large uh corporate entity or manufacturer. They don't want you 439 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: coming around their place. Right like with the we were 440 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: looking for the secret buildings, the hidden buildings in New 441 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: York and we found this power substation that was disguised 442 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: as like a you know, apartment. We wanted around there 443 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: for five minutes, and someone came out and told us 444 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: to get I mean in a very polite way. That 445 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: was that's very nice guy. That's fair. I'm say I 446 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: don't think necessarily implies a conspiracy right off the bat um, 447 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: but you know, there's a probably good reason they don't 448 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: want people coming around. Yeah, this is a great point. 449 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: So the con Ed substation, Uh, the Motte substation with 450 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: Haven Mott Haven, thank you with two tease. Uh, that 451 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: place looks like in a fancy condo or apartment building 452 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: that takes up an entire block, and they don't want 453 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: you there. This place is the literal garbage island. They 454 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: don't and they don't want you there, and it's it's 455 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: a great point. It doesn't mean that something the far 456 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: is going on. It just means that, look, they're not 457 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: going to be selling to the public. The four of 458 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: us aren't going to walk there and buy you know, 459 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: two tons of cold rolled steel for our purposes. Not 460 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: this year, not this year saving up for that big 461 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: d I y home improvement project. I'm gonna build a 462 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna build a mech. But this is a great point. 463 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't secrecy does not necessarily imply any 464 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of uh, any kind of untoward activity. But we 465 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: can totally see how people would think that because the 466 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: big question is, you know, if you're not doing anything wrong, 467 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: why can't we see it. One of the arguments, by 468 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: the way, from Mott Haven that substation is an argument 469 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: about security of infrastructure. So we we were able to 470 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: find it because we're you know, we're fairly intrepid. And 471 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: the big question for someone who's trying to protect that 472 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: or keep a secret is, well, if these yea who's 473 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: could find this thing on their own, what would a 474 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: professional you know, militia or a group of spies or terrorists, 475 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: what would stop them from doing the same thing. Just 476 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: to jump on the arguments you guys are talking about 477 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: with the secrecy and everything, the other issue here is 478 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: that it's an international problem, right, Yes, I mean We're 479 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: talking about two different countries that are separated by this 480 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: tiny little body of water going across and what people 481 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: on one side are being affected potentially by what's going 482 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: on on the other side. Yeah, as as you mentioned earlier, Matt, 483 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: they are going to inevitably affect one another regardless of 484 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: what sort of political borders exist. They don't change the geography. 485 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: And that's also part of the reason why the Canadian 486 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: studies could not make definitive conclusions, right. They couldn't get access. 487 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam said, nah, Well the U S. Steel said nah, 488 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: and then Uncle Sam said, that's right. That's my boy 489 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: got his back. So so they did their best isolated 490 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: and again the science here is really solid and they're 491 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: pretty transparent about where they feel. Their study came up 492 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: short due to the unpredictable nature of the HUM. They 493 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: had all this equipment out, sometimes the HUM just wouldn't 494 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: show up. It does what it will. But they were 495 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: able to possibly trace the HUM to kind of a 496 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: specific area, and we'll talk about that right after a 497 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor and we're back, Matt. You're 498 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: absolutely correct. They traced it to Zug Island specifically, and furthermore, 499 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: they traced it to a blast furnace. Ye, dude, these 500 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: headings on this outline sound like the chapters of a 501 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: of a young adult fiction book. We've got like Zug 502 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: Island and then the blast furnace, like episodes of Stranger 503 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: Things or something. This is a creepy location. Yeah, let's 504 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: pitch that Stranger Things season four Zug Island. I like it. 505 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: I would watch it, or maybe a reality show sort 506 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: of like The Bachelor in Paradise. But you're on this 507 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: like Toxic Waste Island. I know there's no actual toxic waste. 508 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: It just strikes me as like some sort of like 509 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: Russian toxic waste dumping site that time forgot. Kind of well, 510 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this does have the workings of a horror 511 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: movie for me, because there is a native Native American 512 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: burial ground on top of which a giant industrial structure 513 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: is place that's polluting all the land below it, and 514 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: it's part of the industrial machine of the United States 515 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: that killed all of the ancestors. So the Native people 516 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: come back from the dead and they're like have super 517 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: mutant strength and zombie powers, and they come to exact 518 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: their revenge on those that polluted there and and this 519 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: is in the movie, right, And the reason they rise 520 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: up is because they had to wait for the stars 521 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: and the planets to be in the right order. Maybe 522 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: that's the source of the hum Yeah, it is the 523 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: slow movement of the heavens. And they all say, then 524 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: that's too far. Maybe they all hum that would be scary. 525 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: Oh that's the sound. They're all humming at the same time. 526 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: And then they've got to create the sympathetic vibration. Then 527 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what we'll work. It opens up the 528 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: darkness between the stars rights itself. Right. But but aside 529 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: from our fantastic pitch, Paul, are you in for this 530 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: horror movie that we just pitched? All right, Great, he's in. 531 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. That was a trefidatious Yes, I don't know. 532 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: We'll sell him on it. We'll get well, this is 533 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: just we're just spit volume. We'll get a treatment. We'll 534 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: do a one page. So while we're at it, let's 535 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: examine this this blast furnace. These furnaces are huge, They're 536 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: they're gigantic. They are as powerful as they sound. Essentially, 537 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: here's what occurs. Few also known as coke ores and 538 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: limestone are continuously supplied through the top of the furnace 539 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: and at the bottom there's this blast of hot air, 540 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: sometimes with oxygen enriched inside of it, and it blows 541 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: through the lower section of the furnace through a series 542 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: of pipes, and the chemical reactions take place throughout the 543 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: furnace as the material, the oars and stuff fall downward. 544 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: This has immense pressure. The end products are supposed to 545 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: be molten metal and various what they call slag phases 546 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: tapped from the bottom and then gases exiting the top 547 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: of the furnace. There's the thing at the top is 548 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: called a bell, and one of the blast furnaces on 549 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: Zug Island has a cracked bell top. This increases the 550 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: amount of pollution it emits. It still works, but it's 551 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: not up to code. In U s Steel was fined 552 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: and told to make repairs on that infrastructure, specifically that 553 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: cracked bell. We know that from documents from the US government, 554 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: but this wasn't a huge story outside of the area. 555 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: And this this altogether leads people to say that despite 556 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: the studies, despite the lack of a definitive conclusion, we 557 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: have our culprit. But now other people are not helping them, 558 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: helping the residents of Windsor investigate this specifically the town 559 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: of River Rouge. Yeah, this is a U S suburb, 560 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: this downstream from Detroit, and they claiming their city council 561 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: already spent over a million dollars to help Windsor to 562 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: find the source of this noise. However, they did say 563 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: the hume likely comes from the steel mill facilities on 564 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: Zug Island. So they're saying, look, we already gave you 565 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of money, we already try to help. We're 566 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's a zug, right right, And they're trying 567 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: to be as on the up and up as they 568 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: can and say, you know, we're not sure, but you know, 569 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: but it is ug. It is look at it right right. 570 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: Zug should be a word we used for either describing 571 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: something that's super cool or super messed up, and we 572 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: should always we should always be vague about it. Yeah, 573 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: sort of like ZEF. You know that group and everything ZEF. 574 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: I think that means it's cool. Nice for me. It's 575 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: all about warcraft. To the Orcs, if you clicked on them, 576 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: they'd go zug Zug. Oh So that okay, that's not 577 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: out a whole cloth. Then yeah, yeah, you know what, 578 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: maybe I'll get into the world of Warcraft one day. 579 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking about with the original one, like the top down, 580 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: top down command and Conquer style. Only Command and Conquer 581 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: was it's you can kill little buildings too, write like 582 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: temples and stuff. Remember StarCraft. I played StarCraft. That was 583 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: sort of the next level one, right, yeah, post Warcraft two, 584 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: post Wow, I really want to get a magic game 585 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: together with you guys. The only problem is, Man, I 586 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: know you would probably wipe the floor with me, so 587 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: it might not be fun. Ben, I I can't say 588 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: I know you'd be great. I know Matt would would 589 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: be the greatest because he's got the most experience. I 590 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: would be the worst, but I would still enjoy it. 591 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: Maybe we could start easy and play Munchkin first and 592 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: then look our way up to Nat got me a 593 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: this is a very kind thing. Years and years ago, 594 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: Matt and our friend Tyler, a super producer here at 595 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: how Stuff Works got made a magic deck for me 596 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 1: for birthday. If they picked the right cards they thought 597 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: would suit you and gave you a good balanced deck. 598 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: It was a pretty powerful black like and green. I 599 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: do you still have it? Yeah? Of course, I keep 600 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: it at my desk in case, in case the opportunity 601 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: ever rises on a deck. That's cool. I'm gonna make 602 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: my own deck and then we can deck up nice. 603 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: And hopefully we can do that sooner rather than later. Speaking, 604 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, hopefully this mystery will be solved. 605 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I in your task you all, do 606 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: you feel like it's solved? Do you think they've they've 607 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: found this noise, this low frequency sound would therefore be 608 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: gas of some sort escaping the blast furnace, or it 609 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 1: would be just the operation of a specific blast furnace, 610 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: likely the one with the broken belltop. Well, you know, 611 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: at first, Well, I'd like to get your opinion on something. 612 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you pull up this link on YouTube 613 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: that's actually it's actually got a spectral wave form of 614 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: the home recording, and I just want you to tell 615 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: me what you see here. Well, I mean this is 616 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: that what we're looking at here is a spectral wave form, 617 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: which is a very specific type of view. Um it's 618 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: a little more precise, and you can use it to 619 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: isolate sounds that you wouldn't normally see, so you can 620 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: see things almost like as events. For example, So if 621 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,479 Speaker 1: I wanted to get rid of a particular sound and 622 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: leave other sounds, I could look at the spectral wave 623 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: form and see, oh, here, at this moment, this other 624 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: event happens. If you're just looking at a standard wave form, 625 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: everything's kind of tied together, so there's really no differentiating 626 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: one type of sound from another. It's all like one 627 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: thing that makes sense. So in this spectral wave form, 628 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 1: you can see that the sound is a very low 629 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: frequency sound um between thirty and forty hurts, just very 630 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: very low in the spectrum um and it goes along 631 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: for about forty seconds, and then around the fifty second mark, Matt, 632 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: you pointed this out to me off Mike, it pitches 633 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: up a little bit to about eighty two a hundred 634 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: hurts and then stays there kind of plateaus there. And 635 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: in that spectral view you can also kind of see 636 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: a couple of little extra events happening above that base 637 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 1: level of the of the sound, whereas in that zero 638 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: to thirty portion of it there's nothing. Yeah, I I 639 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: found this strange, and I thought maybe you'd have some 640 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: inside on it. It feels to me like something possibly 641 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: metal or mechanical that is ceasing a process that is ceasing, 642 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: which too good to your question, I mean this is 643 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not catch that from far away though, 644 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: you would only hear the part of the sound that 645 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: would carry You would only hear the low low, low, low, 646 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: low frequency part that would carry the long distance. Any 647 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: little extra clang you would only perceive that. I think 648 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: if you were close. Well, I guess if I'm imagining 649 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 1: the furnace, the way I'm imagining it is as you're 650 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: like shutting the process down, if you're just running it 651 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: for a certain time, as you're shutting it down, perhaps 652 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: there are some sounds with a cracked like you said, 653 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: cracked bell that just makes this higher pitch frequency if 654 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: you're really getting all the resonance because they said it's 655 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: aerial sound, so it's like resonance that's hitting the atmosphere 656 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: and coming back down. Well, that's true. And I will 657 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: say we're not looking at a cycle. I mean we're 658 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: we're obviously cycles consistently, because we're looking at about a 659 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: minute of this sound, and then at the end of 660 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: that minute that's where this other event happens. So you 661 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's not like on a loop 662 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: there's something that changes in the sound. And I see 663 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Matt. This isn't We're not looking at 664 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: a super spike and high frequencies. It's just like a 665 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: couple of you know, ten hurts higher, so it would 666 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: be it would still carry, but it could maybe represent 667 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: some change in process or something that happens physically to 668 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: make the sound contort in some way. And I see 669 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: what you're saying that doesn't make sense. And this builds 670 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: a great case if that, if that is always what 671 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: we see each in each instance of the hum. For now, 672 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: just bite the research. Despite the effect this phenomenon has 673 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: the quality of life people in and around Windsor, Ontario, 674 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: the hum continues as we record, There's not much that 675 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: winds Or can do. They are at a stand still 676 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: because even if the hum is caused by this blast furnace, 677 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: Windsor has no jurisdiction over the area. The community organizations 678 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: in charge of the river have been very clear and 679 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: saying that they're not going to continue pouring money into 680 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: the instigation. U S Steel is not worried about this 681 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: thing or really responding to increase. Do you think it's 682 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: really affecting people's quality of life. Ben like, do you 683 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: do you get the sense from the research here that 684 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: it really is a problem. Yeah, when I was, when 685 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: I was looking into it, I mean, obviously, the entire 686 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: city hasn't moved, so it's not as if people are 687 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: bleeding out of their ears and eyes or whatever. But yeah, 688 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: this stuff can have a debilitating effect, is Dr Kohen 689 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: pointed out. And it may sound strange, folks, as you're 690 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: listening to this, It may sound strange to think that 691 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: you might one day be in a situation where a 692 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: noise bugs you so much that you move. But take 693 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: that initial impression and play it out for seven years. Now, Well, 694 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: do you guys remember that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where 695 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: they move into this new house and there's a house 696 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: sound every night there Larry and Cheryl are reading in 697 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: bed and there's just this little and it just happens 698 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: like once every now and then at night, and they 699 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,479 Speaker 1: like have a workman come in, but he only comes 700 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: to night because that's the only time they hear it. 701 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: And then the episode ends with them like laying in 702 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: bed and they're talking and you can hear him the 703 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: other boy quiet quiet. I can't hear the sound. You know, 704 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: they do end up moving because of the house sounds. 705 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: So you know, well Larry David is also rather sensitive. 706 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: It was more. It was more Cheryl. I think, well, 707 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: those noises can can of course, they get drive you mad, 708 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: have a bad effect, especially psychologically. It's difficult to have 709 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: an unpredictable noise. That's one of the reasons why if 710 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: you're ever already kind of in an edgy mood and 711 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: you have to spend time with strangers and this probably 712 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: Matt probably drives you crazy as a talented percussionist. Like 713 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: let's say you're on a train somewhere or weighing an 714 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: elevator and someone's just gotta yeah, and it's off, especially 715 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: if it's a little off. And as you know, I 716 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: wish you could see Matt's expression, we are we are 717 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: speaking to the choir on this one. But yeah, that 718 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: unpredictability is part of it, you know, that lack of 719 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: agency in your own home. So that is the case 720 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: as it stands today. And thank you to everybody wrote 721 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: in and asked us to take a look at this. 722 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: I was really impressed Nonal and Matt by your your 723 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: audio digging here. As always, it was a fun moment. 724 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing that up man, it was it was neat. 725 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 1: You were very much welcome and humes similar to windsors 726 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: have been reported in, as Matt said earlier, at least 727 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: a dozen communities worldwide, Australia, England, Scotland, Wales. Uh. You 728 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: can check out our earlier video we did on stuff 729 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know fayable on YouTube and 730 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: Amazon where we look at the Tao hump. If there's 731 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: a rattle connected with the hum, then I blame the 732 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: popular Irish band you too, there's a little rattle in there. Well, 733 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: if there's a you know they have that album Rattle 734 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: and Hum, it's a bad joke. I didn't even know that. 735 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: It's a deep cut. Well, we've finally made it to 736 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: our customary YouTube reference. Yeah, so what are your thoughts 737 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: on YouTube? Um, what are your thoughts on YouTube? Talking 738 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: You two to Me? I haven't listened to that one, 739 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: but I love, Love Love Josh. Are you talking R 740 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: A M? Reamy? With Scott Ackerman and Adam Scott. It's 741 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: their continuation of the are you talking You two to Me? 742 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: But they talk about R A M and they it's it. 743 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't really even listen to podcast that much, you guys, 744 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: This one lights up my life. I love it so much. 745 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: Thank you Adam and Scott. Yeah, so send us um 746 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: and your correspondence will make sure they get it right. 747 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: And also, speaking of correspondents, have you encountered the winds 748 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: or hums specifically, or something like the hum in your 749 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: day to day life and your neck of the global woods. 750 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,399 Speaker 1: We would like to hear from you. It don't feel obligated, 751 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: but if you happen to catch it, we'd also love 752 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: to hear an audio snippet of the sound you are describing, 753 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: because one thing we found was that this this hume, 754 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 1: in particular, it was not affecting certain genders more than others, 755 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 1: nor people of a certain age more than others, which 756 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: is fascinating because it ties into our earlier thing that 757 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: Matt brought to us from listener mail about using sound 758 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: to deter loiterers and ne'er dwells from a leisure center 759 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: smoking out on the streets and smoking out on the 760 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: streets playing craps, bobbing for apples prefer smoking in the 761 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: boys room. That's probably where are you? That makes more sense, 762 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's a leisure center. The rules are different. 763 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: It's like the Vegas of community centers. Folks. We have 764 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: built since that listener mail episode, we have we have 765 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: built this image of leisure center in our minds that 766 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: that Honestly, I don't know if the real things will 767 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: ever compare. I think we need to raise some money 768 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: to build one right here in Atlanta. Atlanta stuff. They 769 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 1: don't want you to know a leisure center. Yeah, we'll 770 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: write to our sponsors, Illumination Global Unlimited. It will be 771 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: our legacy. Yeah, there we go. You know what, we've 772 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: earned it and uh, presidents get libraries, maybe podcasters should 773 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: get leisure centers. There has to be a water slide though, 774 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm putting my foot down, So tell us what you 775 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: think waterslide? Yes or no. You can find us on Facebook. 776 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter where conspiracy stuff, conspiracy 777 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: stuff show on Instagram. Uh. If you don't want to 778 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: do those things, but you still want to send us 779 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: a message, you can call us what I was that 780 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: that was a bait and switch. Yeah, you can call 781 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: He's not kidding, folks. One eight three three st d 782 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: w y t K. That's one eight three three seven 783 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: eight three, nine eight five. We've got plans for the 784 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: He's a missives, big plans we want. This was inspired 785 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: by the folks who wrote in and attached audio clips 786 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: of themselves talking to us. We thought this was a 787 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: great idea, and as we often say, you are the 788 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 1: most important part of the show, we want to hear 789 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 1: from you. Pick up your phone, drop us a line. 790 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: Nothing weird and if phones totally freak you out. In 791 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: addition to the Internet, well let's still got to use 792 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: the Internet a little bit to do this next part. 793 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: You can write it's an email. We are conspiracy at 794 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: how stuff Works dot com.