Speaker 1: Be Around the l Podcast invented social distancing. Welcome to
Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name
Speaker 1: is Dan Hans is coming to you from a city
Speaker 1: filled with some heroes in Bunker's Mark Sessler, Greg ros Atal.
Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hi Dan. We'll get to the
Speaker 1: originator of Hey Diane in a minute and it's progeny.
Speaker 1: But first I want to introduce one more hero joining
Speaker 1: us today. He is the host of the Dave dama
Speaker 1: Check Football program. There's a hint for you. He's also
Speaker 1: the brains behind and the voice behind good Sports on
Speaker 1: Ada dot Com and of course what buddy, one half
Speaker 1: of the Great Dave's of Thunder podcast. You know who
Speaker 1: it is, baby Dave damashek Welcome to Be Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. Wow era appropriate guitar riff? There? So am
Speaker 1: I Mark Ring or my name Damna Hick? That a
Speaker 1: man from the name wormhole in American history. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show. Thanks so much what. I'm glad to
Speaker 1: see you guys are still doing this show. Good for you, guys.
Speaker 1: Where's the Where's the fourth guy? Wow? It's funny you
Speaker 1: should ask Dave because uh, the man, the myth, the
Speaker 1: legend Chris Westling predisposed, you know why, because he's on
Speaker 1: the way back from the hospital because he's got a kid. Now,
Speaker 1: how about that Lincoln Westling? Anybody want to help me
Speaker 1: pronounce the middle name r O U X drew like
Speaker 1: like like wrestling born. That's Friday, seven pm, seven pounds,
Speaker 1: two ounces long, baby and mama Lakisha healthy. It's a
Speaker 1: cause for celebration. You can sell right now. We can't
Speaker 1: don't know there's like a dong coming. I just figured
Speaker 1: it's so much, so much production value. It's amazing. Um.
Speaker 1: I already saw him like tweeting back to someone like
Speaker 1: I've been sleeping on how how tough it is on
Speaker 1: moms and Dad's all these years. It's like, okay, I
Speaker 1: like I don't know whether I'm so. I was so
Speaker 1: excited for him, I like, for a second was almost jealous,
Speaker 1: but not not really ultimately jealous that experiment because it's
Speaker 1: such an exciting not not jealous of like having them up,
Speaker 1: but it's it's such an exhilarating week, month, whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever period you want to say it is. You're just
Speaker 1: on a high. And I'm sure he is right now
Speaker 1: between here there was a little quad right here. There
Speaker 1: was a period of time where we were on a
Speaker 1: you know, a thread with Lakisha and Wesley and he
Speaker 1: was offering some I would call it inside information. We
Speaker 1: were getting it before the you know, social media and
Speaker 1: the public was getting it, but then went dark for
Speaker 1: like eight or nine periods stretch where you just knew that,
Speaker 1: um like and it was confirmed late Lakisha put in
Speaker 1: the work here UM And I just remember my wife
Speaker 1: when we first simone, when we had Luke, like she
Speaker 1: had like a thirty something our labor, and I changed
Speaker 1: my opinion of what women are capable of. UM. And
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be that guy because I think
Speaker 1: that's a you know, I just don't know what they're
Speaker 1: what they're capable of, but it was increased in my mind,
Speaker 1: and I like, I will say the second thing the baby.
Speaker 1: When the baby photos released, a lot of babies you know,
Speaker 1: eight or six, you know, sixty seventy minutes out of
Speaker 1: the womb or not looking too sharp. They've been through
Speaker 1: something right, and they just don't often look like human beings.
Speaker 1: Little Lincoln had one of the better um early baby
Speaker 1: spreads that I've ever seen because you can't say anything
Speaker 1: other than this, This is shit real like it's a
Speaker 1: good looking baby right out of the shoot. As a
Speaker 1: guy who has produced children human children with with multiple women, um,
Speaker 1: I can say that it is a mean of what
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler just said to the mother of of the
Speaker 1: little ones, but controversial hot take right out of the
Speaker 1: gate for the first month, to you know, two months,
Speaker 1: a human baby is quite unattractive. Mamas don't like here
Speaker 1: in that. But they look like hairless little rodents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're unattractive. One to your spot on human if
Speaker 1: if um the if the existence of humanity depended on
Speaker 1: men making the babies, society would shut down soon and
Speaker 1: we would be ruled by the apes or some other creatures.
Speaker 1: Human men would not go through that. We're far too
Speaker 1: shout for threat paying threshold. Aside, we're way too selfish.
Speaker 1: Who were really gonna stop boozing in such for ten months?
Speaker 1: Chance it would be a major issue, the idea that
Speaker 1: you would have to curb all of your worst habits
Speaker 1: for that extensive amount of time. Women are the superior
Speaker 1: um sex let's bed. I mean maybe once, maybe you
Speaker 1: do it once for the experience, but after that it's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's kind of like, uh, youth is
Speaker 1: wasted on the young. It's like West and Lakisha muzzle
Speaker 1: tough to them, Uh sincerely, but having one is pretty breezy, Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: The real trouble begins once you double up, once you
Speaker 1: go to it becomes times. Maybe not the birth process,
Speaker 1: but yes, yeah, that's well, never forget. Steve jama Check
Speaker 1: gave me the best advice ever, or it was more
Speaker 1: of a warning when we had our second. He basically said,
Speaker 1: and I think you got this from Bill Simmons that
Speaker 1: you know when you've got when you when it's two
Speaker 1: parents and one child, and life is tough because you've
Speaker 1: added one child. When you have one, it's tougher than
Speaker 1: your previous life in many ways and joyful and all
Speaker 1: that other business. But you're playing man coverage are his
Speaker 1: own coverage? Got two people on one baby? Will you
Speaker 1: throw that second one in? It's two parents and two kids.
Speaker 1: You can get exposed real quick to that guy. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's like one kid is is
Speaker 1: like I've heard someone say, one kids not really like
Speaker 1: having kids. It's like having a pet. But you know,
Speaker 1: only children don't like that yeah, Check was like um,
Speaker 1: Check was like our uncle who taught us about what
Speaker 1: what was to come, because I remember getting similar um
Speaker 1: having similar conversations with Dave where you kind of laid out,
Speaker 1: here's what's coming up next, so get ready, and you
Speaker 1: remember you telling me, you know that it gets really
Speaker 1: fun when they start to understand what's going on and
Speaker 1: getting that range you know what, was it like three
Speaker 1: to five six where they become actual human beings. So
Speaker 1: that West and Lukisha, that's all the great stuff to
Speaker 1: look forward to. And I told West texting with them today,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite moments is taking the baby home
Speaker 1: for the first time. All of a sudden, this this
Speaker 1: thing is now a member of the family in the house,
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of fun. I'm very happy for
Speaker 1: both of them, and uh, I know we all are
Speaker 1: on the same page with that. This is a very
Speaker 1: exciting time for the podcast. I would also say that
Speaker 1: that trip on I ten with a with a baby
Speaker 1: that's like a day old in the back seat was
Speaker 1: as a non driver, one of the more excruciating, like
Speaker 1: twelve minutes of my life. Just get me off the
Speaker 1: highway and get him to the house without and it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy, it's extra special. I would imagine for West
Speaker 1: and Keisha, because it's Tuesday that we're taping this. They've
Speaker 1: been there since Thursday, a long time. And because of
Speaker 1: the nineteen it was not h Chris was not allowed
Speaker 1: to leave the hospital the whole time, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: He's been there, he hasn't been able to leave. I
Speaker 1: dropped off something on on Sunday night, just some you know,
Speaker 1: sunduras and stuff, you know, some from resources for him
Speaker 1: and the hospitals right nearby here, and uh, it did
Speaker 1: get me thinking, it's the same hospital. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: thought about this a lot, the same hospital Chris did everything, um,
Speaker 1: you know, with his cancer treatments and his diagnosis and
Speaker 1: everything happened. We we've all been at the hospital, like
Speaker 1: and what a feeling it must be for them. What
Speaker 1: a difference just a few years of spending all that
Speaker 1: time at that hospital now compared to uh, compared to
Speaker 1: just a few years ago. Yeah, So what a time,
Speaker 1: What a time? And now we look forward to today's show.
Speaker 1: What I just say, Can I just say, when you guys,
Speaker 1: if if you leaned on my counsel previously with these matters, Um, um,
Speaker 1: your sounding board when you're ready to get remarried and
Speaker 1: uh and have a second pair of children. I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm here for you. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you did it, check how you're doing it. But
Speaker 1: you're still alive. So that that's a good sign. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, So Wessell join us on Thursday. By the way,
Speaker 1: maybe even Lakisha who knows uh to talk about where
Speaker 1: he's at in his new journey. Today's show is a
Speaker 1: good one. We got I mean we got checked with
Speaker 1: us what what an exciting time it is. And with
Speaker 1: check here we figured let's, uh, let's talk about one
Speaker 1: of the most fun subjects, you know, breaking down the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and not just breaking down the quarterbacks, the world famous
Speaker 1: a Dalton scale. Where are we at in Dalton scale?
Speaker 1: In fact, Greg Rosenthal, are we post Dalton scale at
Speaker 1: this stage? And what does that mean for this exercise
Speaker 1: for us? Um, well, we're gonna have to find out.
Speaker 1: I think we got to talk it out. It feels
Speaker 1: like it Dalton is not even a starter. But that's
Speaker 1: what's called the tease, A little bit of a tease
Speaker 1: there in a little industry jargo. Also, we're gonna spend
Speaker 1: the wheel. Teams that find out who will be will
Speaker 1: be covering on Wednesday for a deep dive, A team
Speaker 1: deep dive. That's uh, that's exciting. But before that, Shack
Speaker 1: joining us for the news that two past quarterbacks of
Speaker 1: all time don't try to have fun when the rest
Speaker 1: of us might be sected houses with kids and wives
Speaker 1: the next night. But stumbled across the great Chris Russo,
Speaker 1: who came on our one of our Super Bowl shows,
Speaker 1: the mad Dog going absolutely insane for fifteen minutes on
Speaker 1: the Tom Brady Peyton man in golf match, which you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like something that you don't need to really
Speaker 1: need to go crazy about, but that's what the mad
Speaker 1: Dog does. Anybody watched that, by the way, I watched
Speaker 1: the whole thing, which is more golf than I've watched
Speaker 1: in the last years combined. Well, I sat and well,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, did I did? I did I
Speaker 1: track every single the arc of every shot? No, But
Speaker 1: I mean I I followed it best I could. That's
Speaker 1: the worst take, by the way, I think I've ever
Speaker 1: heard that from christ I don't even know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. Watch it if you're not gonna win any
Speaker 1: one over here with that take. But it's like he
Speaker 1: raised twenty million dollars. People want to watch. You don't
Speaker 1: have to watch. You watch that you don't even like golf. Well,
Speaker 1: I would not have watched if we're Phil Mickelson and
Speaker 1: three filling the golf people. But I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see the Brady Peyton thing and if it would be
Speaker 1: on a scale of one to tend very annoying or enjoyable,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty enjoyable. It take, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Chris Russo expressing an opinion that very
Speaker 1: few other people had really made me think that's, uh,
Speaker 1: that's that's someone who's mastered his craft. Um. Now, while
Speaker 1: I I'm not with Chris Russo on this one, I
Speaker 1: think what it proves. I think people are swooning a
Speaker 1: little too hard over the specifics of the event, um
Speaker 1: the going into it. I I said, this is gonna
Speaker 1: put up a huge rating, just like last Dance did,
Speaker 1: And what it should do is let Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: know they better figure something out. And I am all
Speaker 1: in favor of player safety. I am always gonna side
Speaker 1: player over ownership and uh and all those provisos um
Speaker 1: out there. But baseball better come back, because if basket
Speaker 1: ball and and or hockey is out there playing its playoffs,
Speaker 1: baseball will very quickly slide deep into the recesses of
Speaker 1: sports fans. Cal, that's exactly right. I think we will
Speaker 1: forget that. Cal Ripken kind of save baseball after the strike. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five years ago, I don't know the
Speaker 1: baseball would have bounced back where it is now. Is
Speaker 1: kind of in the Yankees obviously reasserting themselves as the
Speaker 1: dominant force. UM had a big hand in it too.
Speaker 1: But man, baseball better figure this thing out. Because if
Speaker 1: golf with Peyton Manning and Booby Phil Mickelson is enough
Speaker 1: to capture the imagination of sports fans, imagine what hockey
Speaker 1: and basketball are going to do when they come back.
Speaker 1: People will forget about baseball right quick. I had this
Speaker 1: very conversation with somebody in the downtown Culver City area
Speaker 1: when I went for a walk with my kids this weekend.
Speaker 1: Masks involved, Um that what you're hearing about baseball right
Speaker 1: now is that there is a lot of internal squabbling
Speaker 1: between the ownership and the players union about how this
Speaker 1: is gonna work financially. And yes, if the season, if
Speaker 1: that season got wiped out because they couldn't come to
Speaker 1: a financial agreement, I don't think it recovers nationally because
Speaker 1: it would be it would be such a black eye.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they're smarter than that. And everything I hear is
Speaker 1: that this is a big week in terms of them
Speaker 1: figuring out whether it's gonna happen or not. And along
Speaker 1: those same lines, uh, there seems to be more and
Speaker 1: more optimism about football being played this year. And we'll
Speaker 1: start right here with Governor Phil Murphy in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: He announced that all professional sports teams in the state
Speaker 1: can begin training camps. Forty eight hours earlier, Andrew Cuomo,
Speaker 1: the governor of New York, gave the go ahead for
Speaker 1: sports to return in New York. So of course it's bills, jets,
Speaker 1: giants all cleared, once all the proper health measures established
Speaker 1: at their facilities, and you're gonna I would imagine where
Speaker 1: we're gonna start here and here, Greg, is this this
Speaker 1: announcement popping up across the country, rebarring some type of
Speaker 1: national or local setback. And this again, getting these buildings
Speaker 1: open is the first big step. And we're starting to
Speaker 1: sense a little bit of positive momentum here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the fact that it was New Jersey and New
Speaker 1: York making these statements, which don't you know, necessarily mean
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, because all the teams and have
Speaker 1: to satisfy all sorts of health rows. But just the
Speaker 1: fact that the two states that have been hit the
Speaker 1: hardest they're saying this right now and may to me
Speaker 1: is is noteworthy and it gets you wondering like our
Speaker 1: is the NFL gonna be back for many camps or
Speaker 1: you know, any time before the O t A s
Speaker 1: could possibly be done. They aren't saying anything yet, and
Speaker 1: it's still confusing because places like Washington have totally different
Speaker 1: rules and they don't want any team to have an advantage.
Speaker 1: So I think that part of the off season still
Speaker 1: is very much in the air. But it feels like
Speaker 1: if New Jerky, New Jersey and New York, if things
Speaker 1: don't change, if they're already opening, I mean that is
Speaker 1: a great sign for for training. I mean, I can
Speaker 1: see it on this this very show that everyone's ready
Speaker 1: to they gotta bouncing their step. Two of you have
Speaker 1: completely shaved your beards. We had we made an agreement
Speaker 1: check and we would not do that until we met again,
Speaker 1: and look what happened here. I'm not surprised that Greg
Speaker 1: jump ship without telling anyone, um right before a network show.
Speaker 1: But Dan, I'm I'm appalled that you've been I'm a
Speaker 1: paul that you show up today with no notice in
Speaker 1: a cleanly shaven face. I'm ready to walk up that set.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it, and I have to
Speaker 1: say something Mark. I apologize. I apologize, but I I
Speaker 1: want to say my side of it, which is this
Speaker 1: quarantine has been tricky for the old juicer and I
Speaker 1: tried to put up a brave face and it's business
Speaker 1: as usual on the pod. But in my quiet moments,
Speaker 1: in my lockdown home with the children and the wife
Speaker 1: and trying to manage life day to day, I have
Speaker 1: some ups and downs. I get the blues sometimes and
Speaker 1: I kind of thought think about some stuff, maybe getting
Speaker 1: into some unhealthy habits and just feeling a little bit down.
Speaker 1: I needed a quarantine reboot, and I ought that shaving
Speaker 1: the beard was the first step in that, even symbolically
Speaker 1: of Okay, Dan, it's time to get going on the
Speaker 1: right direction, get back to who you are, and get refocused,
Speaker 1: because maybe I was falling into bad habits. So that's
Speaker 1: why it happened. And I apologize. I should have cleared
Speaker 1: it with you first, but that's the reasoning why. And
Speaker 1: I'm being I don't know, I don't need you to
Speaker 1: clear it. I mean, you put me into a position
Speaker 1: where I have no counterpoint to what you've just said.
Speaker 1: And I'm very happy for you. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: been an absolute breeze over here. Beard and no beard.
Speaker 1: It's just been absolutely a joy riding hey right through
Speaker 1: an autumn field. Please, that's what I heard was a
Speaker 1: bunch of white noise from from there, or green noise,
Speaker 1: gang green noise. That's thinking thinking, that's why he's he's
Speaker 1: he lacks the commitment to excellence. That's here. That here,
Speaker 1: that was my that was my issue. I had a
Speaker 1: sub Dalton scale beard. I was totally sick of. After
Speaker 1: guarding Super Bowl and seeing every single sportswriter there that
Speaker 1: had a beard, it made me sort of hate myself
Speaker 1: even more than I usually do and hate beards. And
Speaker 1: then three weeks and so I did. I shaved it
Speaker 1: right after the season. Three weeks later. You know, it's
Speaker 1: this group thing. Okay, I'm not gonna say now, but
Speaker 1: I had. I did not want to do it, and uh,
Speaker 1: you like my it's my my, like my significant other.
Speaker 1: She she hates it. She doesn't she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be near me in general, and that's that's not helping.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like it. So I'm a surprise
Speaker 1: that Greg was first off the train. And I will
Speaker 1: say I would not have done it if Greg hadn't
Speaker 1: done it already, essentially breaking the links. Classic blame shifting there. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I I I agree with you. Uh that is the
Speaker 1: worst beard um since Sydney Cross. Right, there's no point
Speaker 1: and like, what's the point that I'm running and I'm
Speaker 1: running with it? It's it's just like who hands? So
Speaker 1: if I may, I mean, one size doesn't fit all.
Speaker 1: It's like grew carry. Just because weight loss looks good
Speaker 1: on a lot of people doesn't mean it took for him.
Speaker 1: He looked weird when he lost all that way. Yeah, yeah, hands,
Speaker 1: Who's I think for you? I'd like to see you
Speaker 1: go foo manchu. You know, I think that would be
Speaker 1: a strong look with your mane of hair. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that like name of Turk. That's right, you
Speaker 1: get met You almost had that going on a little bit,
Speaker 1: but now you know it's gone. Now, well, I wish
Speaker 1: you luck, God speed to the two of you that
Speaker 1: cut cut bait on this. So what is this? You
Speaker 1: can't you can't grow It was mostly an excuse because
Speaker 1: Dan wanted to grow a beard, you know, and like
Speaker 1: you didn't want to do it. And that's not how
Speaker 1: I That's not how I viewed That's not how I
Speaker 1: viewed it either. It really wasn't. It is kind of
Speaker 1: a statement. We are we are brothers and we and
Speaker 1: you know we it's until it's inconvenient then it's just
Speaker 1: your brothers and every other person on in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Some prety with Sam Donald because I I suspect he
Speaker 1: can't grow a beard or even a single facial whiskers.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty two still, somehow, speaking of the Jets,
Speaker 1: Uh and Sam Donald, he has a new backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: It is Joe Flacco, the veteran Fluco Flacco Super Bowl
Speaker 1: m v P, thirty five years old, coming off of
Speaker 1: pretty woeful one year run in Denver. But the Jets
Speaker 1: had to upgrade off Uh David Fails, who is currently
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback. They drafted a fourth round rookie James
Speaker 1: Morrigan in April. So you add Flacco to the room
Speaker 1: and it does feel like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: lot more security, to be honest. Uh. Now, Flacco's health
Speaker 1: situation you have to monitor that is he gonna be
Speaker 1: ready coming off back surgery could defeat the purpose if
Speaker 1: he's not ready by week one. But Flacco's no, not
Speaker 1: even close to who he was uh check uh five
Speaker 1: seven years ago. But he's an adult in the room,
Speaker 1: something that just didn't have when Donald went down last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I coming from Black and Gold Quarters, a
Speaker 1: lot of people floating some exotic names like famous Jamison
Speaker 1: cam Newton to serve as Roethlisberger's back up in two
Speaker 1: I thought here on planet Earth a much more reasonable
Speaker 1: um possibility was as much as might as um the
Speaker 1: A F C. North walks two heads to explode. I
Speaker 1: thought Flacco is a backup major sense. Well, like you say,
Speaker 1: I think it's neither here nor there because of the
Speaker 1: health issue. We don't know that Flacco is gonna be
Speaker 1: ready to roll. It seems like he's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the so called grown up in the room for for
Speaker 1: the callow talented youngsters that are gonna be actually taking
Speaker 1: snaps come September. If anyone's taking snap they had the worst,
Speaker 1: they had the worst backup situation in the league, or
Speaker 1: one of them. And Rosenthal, sure, I mean mentioned Black
Speaker 1: and Gold right, I would take I would take Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolf over over who is who is number three right
Speaker 1: now and in New York behind h David fails, David fails. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take all the I'll take Rudolph. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make you think too Okay, they didn't want they
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to go after Cam Newton or whatever, but
Speaker 1: it makes sense for Sam Donald. It's like you bring
Speaker 1: Josh McCown there for one year, Okay, it's like that
Speaker 1: that it's helpful to have someone there, and then last
Speaker 1: year it's like you need someone other than Adam Gaze
Speaker 1: who's been through it. It feels like you need an
Speaker 1: adult in the room because I don't know their coach
Speaker 1: sometimes isn't that guy? Like you need a quarterback who's
Speaker 1: been through it. In other Jets news, Jamal Adams is
Speaker 1: once again at odds with the team over his contract status.
Speaker 1: He has two years left on his rookie deal, but
Speaker 1: he wants to get paid. He wants to get paid
Speaker 1: like one of the best safeties in the league, and
Speaker 1: the Jets are not willing to do it. And every
Speaker 1: report you're hearing from the plugged in beat reporters from
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport is that the Jets aren't gonna shop Jamal Adams.
Speaker 1: Adams is probably not gonna get paid either, though, because
Speaker 1: of a new a number of factors, including what COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen UH is doing financially to the league and what
Speaker 1: it could mean for the salary cap next year. Given
Speaker 1: the fact that the Jets have three and perhaps four
Speaker 1: years of control, it behooves them to sit tight here.
Speaker 1: But if Jamal Adams continues to be angry about this,
Speaker 1: he may force their hands. So we'll see how it
Speaker 1: plays out. Mark your thoughts on this, well, I just
Speaker 1: I U Jamal Adams the ratio of how talented is
Speaker 1: to how much he's annoying me um with his name
Speaker 1: coming up in the news every fifteen and twenty minutes
Speaker 1: because he's disgruntled about his paycheck. I mean, it's on
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas, who I really think is is an a
Speaker 1: potentially down cut down the road could be like a
Speaker 1: top ten GM to hold his ground. I'm tired of
Speaker 1: these bad teams losing power struggles with star players, and
Speaker 1: suddenly star player is in the Dallas Cowboys helmet on
Speaker 1: Sunday Night football. It's like I'm exhausted with it. Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams is the centerpiece of the Jets defense. You gotta
Speaker 1: pay him at some point. I wouldn't wiggle it into here.
Speaker 1: I would not allow Jamal Adams any leveraging. He doesn't
Speaker 1: really have any any leverage right now. I like the
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years ago shutdown corn or
Speaker 1: was the splashy position to talk about in that offseason,
Speaker 1: or a tight end or otherwise. This here, it is
Speaker 1: the safety. Those are the guys in the news for good,
Speaker 1: bad or ugly. Earl Thomas shout out to you, um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm in an overarching sense. I agree with
Speaker 1: you about Joe Douglas. Just imagine, though I suspect Joe
Speaker 1: Douglass would have loved nothing more than to blow out
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze and bring in somebody like Eric B. Enemy
Speaker 1: And think about how excited Jets fans. Well, we can
Speaker 1: ask one here how excited they would be if Eric B.
Speaker 1: Enemy had taken the reins. They just couldn't do it
Speaker 1: because purging yet another coach given the last decade or
Speaker 1: so would have looked shot even by Jet standards. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the the you know, Jamal Adams figure it out because
Speaker 1: if this team has a chance to to go somewhere,
Speaker 1: and I suspect that Adam gaze is uh is the
Speaker 1: reason that some some of those guys are kind of, um,
Speaker 1: not terribly enthused about still wearing that that new look
Speaker 1: green hat. Yeah, and I read this and it came
Speaker 1: up in you know the articles. The Jets ranked tenth
Speaker 1: in defense d v o A last year. Greg Williams,
Speaker 1: despite being an unpopular figure, really does tend to get
Speaker 1: the best out of guys and and Adams is such
Speaker 1: a great fit, uh and he knows how to use them,
Speaker 1: so they this marriage needs to stay intact. I just hope,
Speaker 1: I don't want. I know, nobody wants to ever take
Speaker 1: the side of management and the sports world, either on
Speaker 1: Twitter or the sportswriters, it seems. But it comes off
Speaker 1: as a little bit I'm gonna drop the word here,
Speaker 1: like the warden from shawsh obtuse of Jamal Adams to
Speaker 1: be really going nuts right now, considering all the factors
Speaker 1: and the lack of leverage he has. But I love
Speaker 1: the guys, just calm down. This is the time. What
Speaker 1: is the leverage? Ultimately, though, I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: time to exert it. I guess to to to say
Speaker 1: how the hold out of training camp or whatever, because
Speaker 1: he's stuck looking. Part of it is the fifth year option.
Speaker 1: He's stuck looking that he's under control for two years
Speaker 1: maybe three if you count the franchise tag. That he's
Speaker 1: a long way away from getting that big money. And
Speaker 1: so the off season is the time to do it
Speaker 1: because they're not happy with it, and it is annoying
Speaker 1: that you send out you know, it's so transparent that okay,
Speaker 1: ten teams would be interested in him. You know, his
Speaker 1: agent is sending out trying to get any trade interest.
Speaker 1: But you know he is underpaid, like this is It's
Speaker 1: just like Howard. But that's also the that's what the
Speaker 1: union agreed to when they uh the ownership and the
Speaker 1: union did the rookie pay scale. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: And I'll just say this is perhaps far too simplistic,
Speaker 1: but Patrick Mahomes drafted the same year as Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten his new deal yet either. If Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes isn't getting his new deal yet, Deshaun Watson is
Speaker 1: not getting his new deal yet. You want to hear
Speaker 1: them honking about it, You're always gonna have Jamal Adams
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's and it's and it's there's nothing
Speaker 1: else happening. But it's like, I feel like nine out
Speaker 1: of ten times when we hear from this guy, it's
Speaker 1: money contract, it's agent whispers. It's just exhausting. I just
Speaker 1: want to have a button where I can just remove
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams from all life until he actually is playing football,
Speaker 1: because he's a delight on that front. We agree with
Speaker 1: all that, and but imagine also it's a little bit
Speaker 1: like those stretched over a full year. But it's a
Speaker 1: little bit analogous to like fifteen years ago. Remember when
Speaker 1: Baron Davis signed with the Clippers on the assumption that
Speaker 1: because Elton Brand said, let's go to l A and
Speaker 1: readefined pro basketball in Los Angeles, let's go will be
Speaker 1: the will be the cornerstones of the resurgence of the Clippers.
Speaker 1: And then Baron Davis signs, and then Elton Brand signs
Speaker 1: with the Sixers like Levan Bell must be like you do.
Speaker 1: You never stopped with the social media about how I
Speaker 1: need to come here and I'm gonna be the finishing
Speaker 1: piece now you want out. Not very presidential, but finally
Speaker 1: in the news, Carlos Carlos Hyde has a job. The
Speaker 1: running backs signed with the Seattle Seahawks. It's a one
Speaker 1: year deal. He's added to a backfield that has Cris Carr,
Speaker 1: Chris Carson and Rashod Penny both coming off injuries. DeVante
Speaker 1: Freeman was apparently an option as well Mark initially, but
Speaker 1: but the Seahawks go with Hide, who's had a nice
Speaker 1: season with the Texans and gives them some depth and
Speaker 1: another um solid option, especially if the injury issues, uh
Speaker 1: you know, shorten out that depth chart again. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: thought the bigger piece of news was Mike Silver reporting
Speaker 1: that DeVonta Freeman is perfectly content to sit out for
Speaker 1: the entire year if he doesn't get the kind of
Speaker 1: money he wants. And I don't imagine he's going to
Speaker 1: get the kind of money he wants. Carlos Hide. I
Speaker 1: assume he makes the roster because these guys are banged up.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're it's basic feels like a a patch
Speaker 1: until they there top backs get healthy. Well, yeah, Chris
Speaker 1: Carson coming off a hip surgery, Pennies coming off with
Speaker 1: to ourn a c l Yeah, I did that. The
Speaker 1: projected starter series and the Seahawks are one of them.
Speaker 1: Is that you look at you look at their raster
Speaker 1: and it's it's got so many problems other than Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: they just count on and I think the backfield could
Speaker 1: have been one of them. So Hide is a good
Speaker 1: pickup to to add to those two injured guys. But
Speaker 1: it's like the offense. The line is terrible. They have
Speaker 1: two great receivers, but that's it. Then a total nothing
Speaker 1: after that and all sorts of you know, holes on
Speaker 1: their defensive line. And okay, so you know, but they're
Speaker 1: asking Russell Wilson to be a hero here. I don't
Speaker 1: think Carlos Hide is gonna change anything. I may be
Speaker 1: the world's only out well, at least outside of Columbus, Ohio,
Speaker 1: the only uh Carlos Hide stand And somebody somebody got
Speaker 1: after me by the way, on social media. Am I
Speaker 1: too old to use the word stand? Because I'm not?
Speaker 1: Am I I think you're I don't I think Ban
Speaker 1: and I are on the bubble and you're over it,
Speaker 1: and I think we're we're over it too, even I
Speaker 1: think fair I because you know you know what to
Speaker 1: side with you. It doesn't feel right and I and
Speaker 1: part of that is because I'm not exactly sure what
Speaker 1: it means. But I think I get the essence of it.
Speaker 1: You're not sure what it means. I think I get.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm fully supportive. Right, You're like a huge
Speaker 1: You're a huge fan. It means like you're you're you're
Speaker 1: putting the cape on. You know, you're caping for him.
Speaker 1: Isn't that another way to see? Right? Yeah, you're writing
Speaker 1: and you're writing letters to M and M, just like
Speaker 1: standard way back when in two thousand and one. That's
Speaker 1: the origins, right. I like Carlos Hide very much, and
Speaker 1: I was happy to see him finally fulfill his what
Speaker 1: I perceived to be his potential with the Houston Texans.
Speaker 1: Is he the difference? Though? Up with you Rosenthal and
Speaker 1: you say they're expecting him. He already did it for
Speaker 1: him that past year. I I that gets him to
Speaker 1: the final eight, It doesn't get him. I agree. I
Speaker 1: think no one has you know, I always say, to
Speaker 1: the chagrin of many smart football people, I say, QB
Speaker 1: wins do matter when they only hand out the one
Speaker 1: Lombardi at the end of every year. It does matter
Speaker 1: if you succeed in the postseason. But yes, I'm I
Speaker 1: think Russell Wilson assumes the same position as John Elway
Speaker 1: once had, which is that their greatest deeds are not
Speaker 1: in winning Lombardies. Rather, it's carrying these these rosters that
Speaker 1: have no business being in the mix this deep in
Speaker 1: the January. I mean when Elway was doing that with
Speaker 1: those but with Sammy Winder and Vance Johnson sorts back
Speaker 1: in the in the mid eighties, that's akin to what
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has been doing these last couple of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they never had a run game. Their defense had some stars,
Speaker 1: but they were far from dominant. And it was Elway
Speaker 1: and I Russell Wilson done it three or four years
Speaker 1: in a row. It feels like, hold that thought on,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. That's what's happening in the news. Alright, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: it is time now to get into the two thousand,
Speaker 1: twenty Dalton scale conversation and what it means to be
Speaker 1: a quarterback in where you where you fit on the
Speaker 1: list when it comes to who's great, who's bad, who's
Speaker 1: good enough? And if you've never heard us talk about
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale, and what does the Dalton scale mean?
Speaker 1: And why does Andy Dalton such a I'm gonna figure
Speaker 1: in this conversation and what does that mean going forward?
Speaker 1: With Andy Dalton maybe holding a clipboard for sixteen weeks, Well,
Speaker 1: let me throw it to you, Chris Westling from a
Speaker 1: prior podcast. What is the Dalton scale? Andy Dalton is
Speaker 1: the primary indian of NFL quarterbacks. He represents quarterback purgatory.
Speaker 1: If you are ranked below Andy Dalton, your franchise needs
Speaker 1: a quarterback. If you ranked above Andy Dalton, you're in
Speaker 1: ship shape. Everything's figured out, You're good to go. There
Speaker 1: you go. So what does it mean when Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: is no longer a starter? And that's where we're gonna
Speaker 1: start this conversation right now? Is there a replacement for
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton? Or uh? Dave Damna check? And we were
Speaker 1: texting about this earlier. Has the very setup of the
Speaker 1: quarterback position shifted enough now where that conversation doesn't make
Speaker 1: as much sense anymore? Check your thoughts, um way too
Speaker 1: nuanced for me to figure out the word sequence to
Speaker 1: explain it in short order. But you know, about five
Speaker 1: six years ago, we all talked about the fact um
Speaker 1: that that that it's weird than in a world of
Speaker 1: seven billion people that we can't find thirty two Nate
Speaker 1: twenty human beings to successfully play quarterback in the NFL
Speaker 1: and one of the most successful bits, or at least
Speaker 1: most used bits lifetime analysis. Life's not a bit, friend,
Speaker 1: that's spot up. And and the football gods heard me,
Speaker 1: as did the personnel guys and the high school and
Speaker 1: college systems that develop quarterbacks. They all combine. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: is that a coincidence? Probably? Maybe not either way. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy theories are all the rage now. Either way, however,
Speaker 1: we got here, we have achieved pretty close to, if
Speaker 1: not spot on. QB saturay Asian And I'll throw this
Speaker 1: one out here. Maybe that guy who you're talking about
Speaker 1: above and below is the guy who has no job
Speaker 1: right now. His name is Cam Newton. Cam Newton is
Speaker 1: interesting because how many guys can you rightly say, go
Speaker 1: through the list to presume starters for how many of
Speaker 1: those guys would you say, for one season and of
Speaker 1: course I'm being a little glass half full about the
Speaker 1: about number one's medicals checking out and everything. But how
Speaker 1: many of those guys would you say are definitely better
Speaker 1: than Cam Newton right now? Go through that list? I
Speaker 1: actually was doing it, and I think there's maybe it's
Speaker 1: roughly about half the league that I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll roll with that guy over Cam Newton if if
Speaker 1: it's my team and I get to anoint the starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think there are decent options in the starting group,
Speaker 1: and Cam makes sense. I do think the Dalton lines
Speaker 1: still makes sense because ultimately, difference makers still matter at
Speaker 1: core her back. So if you're around average, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be worse than having a Russell Wilson. And I think
Speaker 1: there's a pretty big middle class. But the names that
Speaker 1: kind of stand out, and maybe it's more than fifteen,
Speaker 1: I don't think we're at saturation. To me, it's more
Speaker 1: like eight. And it's it's Derek Carr, It's Golf maybe
Speaker 1: who i'd put just above it. It's Tannehill, could be
Speaker 1: in that mix. Those are I hold that thok right.
Speaker 1: Because we we all as part of this put together
Speaker 1: our list of quarterbacks, we kept out the rookies, but
Speaker 1: included guys like Andy Dalton, Mike Jameis Winston that have
Speaker 1: have had extended starting experience and are currently headed toward
Speaker 1: a backup role. My list was thirty four guys. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you guys are in the same range, and Derek
Speaker 1: Carr is a natural guy to talk about in this conversation.
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, guys, where you had car and
Speaker 1: then tell me the two guys on either side of him,
Speaker 1: starting with you, Sessler, Well, I always find it every
Speaker 1: time that I bring I'm lower on Derek Carn. Always
Speaker 1: had been than a lot of people on Twitter scene
Speaker 1: to be. And whenever you negatively discuss Derek Carr, you
Speaker 1: get all these people that are hitting you with these
Speaker 1: metrics about how Derek Carr performs in certain spaces. I
Speaker 1: kind of just look at quarterbacks is the overall experience,
Speaker 1: and he just doesn't do it for me. Um, Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: I had down you and I had him above Nick Foles,
Speaker 1: who I think, when he's healthy and in the right
Speaker 1: situation is is a solid quarterback. I don't trust him
Speaker 1: at all to stay healthy as a starter at all.
Speaker 1: And I can't believe the money he gets over and over,
Speaker 1: and I had Teddy Bridgewater below that, and I have
Speaker 1: Car And again I'm like, I'm looking at the whole
Speaker 1: experience I have below Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew and
Speaker 1: some of these young guys maybe are worse than Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: but from a team building angle, you don't just give
Speaker 1: up on someone like Daniel Jones because Cam Newton is available.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with some But that's the thing of
Speaker 1: like who would I rather have or the Dalton scale.
Speaker 1: To me, Car is kind of perfectly in the middle
Speaker 1: of the starters because he rises and falls I think
Speaker 1: based on what's around him, and maybe he will get
Speaker 1: a lot better and he does have some talent, But
Speaker 1: to me, I'm gonna take the guess that this is
Speaker 1: about who he is, that he's going to be the
Speaker 1: product of the people around him. And uh, I think
Speaker 1: he's better at this point than some of those young players,
Speaker 1: Like I think he'd be better. I'd rather have him
Speaker 1: than than Gardner Minshew right now, or or Nick Foles certainly.
Speaker 1: And so I had him around nineteen and it was
Speaker 1: those names writer right around Tannehill and golf kind of
Speaker 1: in a in a Sandwich or any one of them
Speaker 1: could be the Tanna scale. I have him a twenty one,
Speaker 1: and I think that going off what we're what you
Speaker 1: were saying, uh, Greg, which I I agree with that
Speaker 1: it feels like that's right around the number of the
Speaker 1: drop off two where you begin to have an issue,
Speaker 1: and to me, he's right at that point where I
Speaker 1: start to get worried. So I have I have Dalton
Speaker 1: ahead of Car though right on my list at nine
Speaker 1: Team Tannahill, it's twenty. I have Car twenty one, and
Speaker 1: then I have Josh Allen may Yield. Donald fits magic
Speaker 1: beneath right now. Right now is where I so I
Speaker 1: I guess I'm you're saying you would rather have Derek
Speaker 1: Carr than Sam Donald or Baker Mayfield. I'm saying right now,
Speaker 1: in terms of what he brings, what we know for
Speaker 1: his ceiling, what he can do if surrounded by the
Speaker 1: right guys, He's more of a known entity than those
Speaker 1: guys at that point at this point to me, which
Speaker 1: is why I have him higher, even though I obviously
Speaker 1: has a Jets fan. I'm betting on Donald's upside, but
Speaker 1: I simply haven't seen enough yet. It just it seems
Speaker 1: like Mayfield is a guy that had such a bad
Speaker 1: year last year that now he's shaken me a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I also could see him being obviously better. But
Speaker 1: right now car is a safer bet to me. Just
Speaker 1: it's quarterback into vacuum because I'm thinking about we don't
Speaker 1: know the ceilings of son of these people, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I kind of know Derek Carr's ceiling. I
Speaker 1: don't know where you're on with with with this one check.
Speaker 1: I feel like that, Yeah, I basically slot him where
Speaker 1: you guys do I. I'm sorry, hands who's tried as
Speaker 1: I did to rank them one through thirty two? Ish,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't assert numbers specifically I had I I
Speaker 1: had to go tears at something. How did you do it?
Speaker 1: Why did it tears there? What's interesting too, and we'll
Speaker 1: get to that, is uh is that there is a
Speaker 1: brand new, clear cut top three that does not include
Speaker 1: any of the usuals that would have been there five
Speaker 1: years or so ago. Those guys now all kind of
Speaker 1: gather in a second tier. But yeah, Derek Carr and
Speaker 1: I have him right around the name you guys were
Speaker 1: throwing out there. I would put Jimmy g in there.
Speaker 1: Teddy b and there Jared Goff is a fascinating one
Speaker 1: going into as far as I'm concerned, Um, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess a tick above that is Kirk
Speaker 1: is Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz. I am much hipper on
Speaker 1: Josh Allen than most of the world is. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you have Josh Allen among the second you have
Speaker 1: Josh Allen way above car and you have meang and
Speaker 1: that right if people well, if people listen, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna call me out on saying like, what's Josh Allen done,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you know that he is not close to
Speaker 1: his ceiling yet. Whereas as Sessler says, other guys we've
Speaker 1: we've seen them, Baker in the top ten or twelve. Baker,
Speaker 1: to me, it was way above the line because I've
Speaker 1: seen them already. I'm not gaining him that much for
Speaker 1: for the second year. Maybe the guy, maybe the middle
Speaker 1: guy is now for Andy Dalton is Ryan Tannehill. And
Speaker 1: not just because anybody below that you can call untannable.
Speaker 1: Um in terms of winning a Super Bowl. But I
Speaker 1: got I got into a social media debate with many
Speaker 1: Titans fans who knew that there were so many Tennessee
Speaker 1: Titans fans out there, they got very It's always it's
Speaker 1: always the new Vaux reach. It's all that when people
Speaker 1: do these debates about which fan bases are the most
Speaker 1: annoying and everything, it's people who just found a little
Speaker 1: bit of loot. And these Titans fans of Bill think, yeah,
Speaker 1: they think, they they think, But these Titans fans see
Speaker 1: confused by what what was actually achieved in this most
Speaker 1: recent playoffs. You didn't at least Joe Flacco left the
Speaker 1: Ravens in a spot where they had to resign him.
Speaker 1: They had no choice because as much as you knew,
Speaker 1: and as much as no doubt as he knew, someone
Speaker 1: down new like, all right, Joe Flacco is not on
Speaker 1: par with all these other guys that make it to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls with a fair amount of regularity. But
Speaker 1: he's now, especially after we let Dilford go in favor
Speaker 1: of Elvis Gerban, we have to as a franchise bring
Speaker 1: Flacco back. The Ryan Tannehill thing. I get why you
Speaker 1: have to sign him, but I advocated over the weekend
Speaker 1: that what they should do if they really want to
Speaker 1: put themselves in line for a Lombardi in is signed
Speaker 1: Cam Newton for a little competition there, and uh, people
Speaker 1: went crazy, You think Cam Newton is as good as
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. Yes, I do, Yes, I I think he's
Speaker 1: quite a bit superior to Ryan Tannehill. People sending me
Speaker 1: um uh QB ratings of of Ryan tanne You never
Speaker 1: watched him. Never mind the fact that I said last
Speaker 1: August one. If they make the switch soon enough in
Speaker 1: the season, they will go to the playoffs on the
Speaker 1: right arm Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry and people want crazy, Um,
Speaker 1: but that is a one off. Joe Flacco, Jimmy g
Speaker 1: these guys that get you deep. If not to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, Jared Goff, you can thread the needle if
Speaker 1: everything goes just right, but still not good enough to
Speaker 1: be a perennial contender. Let me throw Let me throw
Speaker 1: another name out there, by the way, go ahead for it,
Speaker 1: go for I wanted to throw out not again, because
Speaker 1: I think this is important for branding purposes. If we
Speaker 1: are post Thaulton scale, what about the River's Edge Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers joining the Cults obviously coming off a disappointing year
Speaker 1: where he was a turnover machine. But still I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, including myself. Matt money Smith,
Speaker 1: who watched him very closely, thinks very highly of Rivers
Speaker 1: as Chances Indiana, Indianapolis. Where does he fall for you, guys?
Speaker 1: I have him personally at fifteen on my list, which
Speaker 1: puts you comfortably in that second tier where you're still
Speaker 1: the answer. But also I imagine he could be lower
Speaker 1: for some people, and anybody had him lower than fifteen
Speaker 1: and closer to that kind of twenty range. I had
Speaker 1: him right where you did. I love the name rivers Edge.
Speaker 1: To me, he doesn't feel like a natural one, kind
Speaker 1: of like Tannehill doesn't either. Right just right now, because
Speaker 1: Tannehill is coming off set a small sample size where
Speaker 1: he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league,
Speaker 1: I think that you just have to like accept that.
Speaker 1: I know it was a strange situation, but especially in
Speaker 1: the regular season, he was the top five quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's no doubt in my mind for that stretch
Speaker 1: of play, and it was just like unlike anything we've
Speaker 1: ever seen from him. So you just gotta see it again.
Speaker 1: And it was like seven or eight games with a
Speaker 1: new team. Who knows that he doesn't quite work like
Speaker 1: I want a guy in the middle to be more
Speaker 1: like Alex Smith maybe Jared Goff, where you you kind
Speaker 1: of know what he is. He's the same season, whereas
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. You know, I'm I'm out here just hoping
Speaker 1: it's all going to click for him and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be amazing and he could be a top seven or
Speaker 1: eight guy. But if you told me that that's all
Speaker 1: just wishful thinking and he ends up bombing, like I
Speaker 1: would believe that too, like he's going to be up
Speaker 1: or down. I'm close to you, then I had him
Speaker 1: at fourteen. Here. Here's why. Outside of an incredible catchy
Speaker 1: slogan there, I'm not sure it works because to me,
Speaker 1: it's a great quarterback just simply at the end of
Speaker 1: his rope to some degree where I I For me,
Speaker 1: the reason the Dalton scale clicks in in everyone's mind
Speaker 1: is because Andy Dalton, from beginning to end, had a
Speaker 1: very defined ceiling and you're either um okay with that
Speaker 1: or you're not. Philip Rivers could go produce a thirty
Speaker 1: five touchdown campaign, I wouldn't be surprised. He could also
Speaker 1: throw thirty interceptions. But it's because we're getting Dalton or
Speaker 1: rivers at the very end of the of the career. Here.
Speaker 1: It's funny, though we're throwing out Jimmy G as a possibility.
Speaker 1: Are we already losing some hope of like him as
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna be way better than he has been?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like he He he was
Speaker 1: about as everyone was about as excited, including me about
Speaker 1: Jimmy G three years ago as anyone, and now we're
Speaker 1: thinking he's like the Dalton scale guy. I hated that
Speaker 1: they hit him in the playoffs, and then when he
Speaker 1: had the chance to win the game, uh, the big game,
Speaker 1: he couldn't. He couldn't do it. I'm not digging him
Speaker 1: forever on it, but it did plant the seed of
Speaker 1: doubt a little bit with me that he is the guy,
Speaker 1: just because Kyle Shannon didn't seem comfortable with him being
Speaker 1: the guy as the season went down the stretch last year.
Speaker 1: So it hasn't it has led to a change of
Speaker 1: thinking a little bit. I I I'll throw out this
Speaker 1: little analogy though, where Jimmy G and Ryan Tannehill and
Speaker 1: those guys are Jared Goff are concerned. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit like when Matt Leiner was out there and people
Speaker 1: were saying, why doesn't any why you know who where
Speaker 1: he should go? Why doesn't Pete Carroll go get him?
Speaker 1: The fact that Pete Carroll, his college coach, didn't get him,
Speaker 1: should have been and probably was a red flag to
Speaker 1: the rest of pro football. Well, if he's college coach
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in him, If the if the offensive coaches
Speaker 1: for the Niners saw fit to hide Jimmy g well
Speaker 1: then there's probably a decent reason why they were doing that.
Speaker 1: Same goes for Ryan Tannehill can have whatever passer rating
Speaker 1: he wanted, and I believed in his talent and still do.
Speaker 1: But it's a little bit of a red flag that
Speaker 1: the Titans coaching staff was like, yeah, let's let's not
Speaker 1: put the game on him. I mean when they're winning
Speaker 1: comfortably against good teams, and he played well in the
Speaker 1: a f C Championship, So I don't buy that at all,
Speaker 1: Like they're they were winning, like he was doing what
Speaker 1: they needed to do. But it's all predicated with with
Speaker 1: a certain class of QB and I'm not denigrating them,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just comparing them to Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: level quarterbacks. These guys that we're talking about. It's it's
Speaker 1: not a coincidence that they're pretty much if I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it right, are all their success is based around
Speaker 1: play action and it's a funny thing. Like Jimmy G specifically,
Speaker 1: and Jared Goff is another one in the same division,
Speaker 1: both strug This is just the anecdotal nonsense to what
Speaker 1: my eyes pick up watching these guys is that when
Speaker 1: they that you need to play action for them to
Speaker 1: succeed at this level. However, when they turned their back
Speaker 1: to the defense and then they picked their head back
Speaker 1: up and have to release the ball, they're not quick
Speaker 1: enough or talented enough to read those defenses and they
Speaker 1: throw a lot of interceptible passes. Jimmy Gee specifically, Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan absolutely positively knows that he has to deal Jimmy
Speaker 1: G throwing two or three pickable balls over sixty minutes
Speaker 1: and he has to work his way around that. That's
Speaker 1: clear and was clear through January and into the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And why Jared Goff Jared what That's what Flories and
Speaker 1: Belichick figured out. And that's why I suspect with all
Speaker 1: the changes and injuries and other excuses, you might make
Speaker 1: what the template that was provided by those guys in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl was oh, yeah, just don't yeah, just
Speaker 1: don't suck up when uh dropped that safety late, when
Speaker 1: Jared Goff turn puts his head back up, he won't
Speaker 1: know what to do. And we saw that all through
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. That's why the Patriots only allowed three
Speaker 1: points to the Mighty l A Ram's offense. All right,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna I'm gonna put Dave on his heels.
Speaker 1: But Dave, you're not allowed to talk initially on this
Speaker 1: one because I want to hear from the other guys
Speaker 1: because I know you have thoughts on this guy. Wi
Speaker 1: her Ben Roethelisberger, don't you do it? I think it's
Speaker 1: a fair question. Is he above the Dalton scale right now?
Speaker 1: I mean Dave's tweeting about that he'd rather have Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger than LaVar Jackson. So we know Dave is off
Speaker 1: his rocker when it comes to Ben. I I um,
Speaker 1: I still put him above it. But he wasn't much
Speaker 1: better than average the last full season he played. And
Speaker 1: he's a thirty eight year old with you know, questionable
Speaker 1: workout habits over his career, coming off an elbow surgery,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, like, there's not a great history
Speaker 1: of guys coming off elbow surgery at thirty eight. Uh,
Speaker 1: and suddenly slang it I have been, I have been
Speaker 1: at number twelve, and it's maybe it's it's almost twenty
Speaker 1: years of watching him. Um, take my Sundays which start
Speaker 1: with the nice sun rising in the sky and then
Speaker 1: shooting like a poison laced arrow right through my face. Um,
Speaker 1: it's happened so many times with Big Ben that I
Speaker 1: don't um, I don't. I don't buy this idea that
Speaker 1: like he's um washed up unless it's injury related to
Speaker 1: his body is breaking down. But he's healthy, he can
Speaker 1: be a top ten quarterback in my books. That yeah,
Speaker 1: I had him right next to We all agree with healthy.
Speaker 1: So the question is he ever gonna be healthy? Is
Speaker 1: he ever gonna be healthy again? He says he's in
Speaker 1: great shape right now. I mean, unless he's totally fibbing
Speaker 1: a white lie. I we've never known. Well, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not sorry they've state your case why Ben Roethlisberger is
Speaker 1: actually better than ever now. Yeah, I don't care for
Speaker 1: his fitness as as somebody who is running yet opt
Speaker 1: more physical peak. I looked my look down my nose
Speaker 1: at number seven. Um, listen for I mean, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not getting paid, I'm not getting bid. Maybe maybe we'll
Speaker 1: send number seven up to TV twelve and uh they'll
Speaker 1: fix them all up with some uh with some sage
Speaker 1: burning over his uh, his ailing elbow. I know. The
Speaker 1: bottom line is what Roethlisberger is. This has been I
Speaker 1: thought you couldn't get any weirder on the National Football
Speaker 1: Analyst thing than than the reaction to Antonio Brown was like,
Speaker 1: you have no special insight into what's going on there,
Speaker 1: and yet you know enough to weigh in on on
Speaker 1: what Ben Roethlisberger is doing in the life was just
Speaker 1: a bunch of pap a year ago, and here we
Speaker 1: are once again with with black and gold related matters,
Speaker 1: people projecting I don't know, I don't what's his elbow? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't And you know who else
Speaker 1: doesn't know? Anybody else, nobody else has any idea what's gone? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do have faith. Though I grew up. I love
Speaker 1: Billy Sims. He ruined his knee and his early in
Speaker 1: his career what would have been a Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: all time running back career. And they couldn't fix it.
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson Conversely, thirty years later, Oh yet a knee
Speaker 1: and drink. We fixed that thing right up there, back
Speaker 1: out there, ready to roll. The same goes for Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet I'm gonna bet on twenty one century
Speaker 1: medicine over Lamar Jackson's ability to response, to respond to
Speaker 1: to your your bile, your snark, Rosenthal, I'm gonna bet on.
Speaker 1: I know that I am in the vast minority on
Speaker 1: this one, but I do I I am suspicious that.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'll go back to to Warren Sapp
Speaker 1: what he said forever ago. Defensive coordinators in pro football
Speaker 1: adapt very quickly. They have now, just like I mentioned
Speaker 1: what Flora's Belichick cooked up to slow down Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: Same goes this offseason. Everybody saw what the Titans did
Speaker 1: now Jeffrey season about the Chargers, I mean, they could
Speaker 1: have stopped during the regular season. You know they were
Speaker 1: they made you know that they made a whole sale
Speaker 1: commitment to their credit. The Ravens did around Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: skill set. Now, the next challenge is to respond to
Speaker 1: the adjustments that the defenses of the NFL are gonna
Speaker 1: make to Lamar Jackson. I loved it. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I said all through last offseason and and into September
Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson in ten that offense was gonna thrive
Speaker 1: and dominate the NFL, and so it did. Now, though,
Speaker 1: come the adjustments, and now can Lamar Jackson. I love
Speaker 1: that big eight style wishbone attack, but it has its limitations. Namely,
Speaker 1: it's always weird when people say, well, this offense doesn't
Speaker 1: want to get behind, it has a hard time. Well
Speaker 1: that's a that's a problem. Isn't it that your that
Speaker 1: your offense isn't built to come from behind, You assume
Speaker 1: you're always gonna play with the lead. Weird, especially it's
Speaker 1: high end teams come January. Um I I worry about that.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I do legitimately worry about is man.
Speaker 1: He looks like he Lamar Jackson looks like he's six
Speaker 1: too and and a hundred and twenty eight pounds. I
Speaker 1: don't think that leaves him well suited for long term success.
Speaker 1: I know that the weirdest thing is the high end
Speaker 1: physical I don't love his I don't like his build
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He's gonna get smacked. And now it
Speaker 1: comes down to the weird incalculable thing in calculated big
Speaker 1: fatties as as why are you projecting whether Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: can stay healthy in the NFL when we've had almost
Speaker 1: two seasons of evidence that he can and he's six
Speaker 1: two to twelve. I I don't. I was I was
Speaker 1: being extreme, but the the the I guess that the
Speaker 1: weird thing is that for the superhuman athlete, even amidst
Speaker 1: other superhumans, when you stand out with that kind of speed,
Speaker 1: you can run away from NFL defenders. It's striking stuff.
Speaker 1: And we've seen Michael Vick do it, and RG three
Speaker 1: do it, and Colin Kaepernick do it. And now it
Speaker 1: comes down to, like Colin Kaepernick never got lit up,
Speaker 1: Michael Vick and RG three better. The difference is he's
Speaker 1: just way better at what he does than any of
Speaker 1: those players ever were already, and the and the Ravens
Speaker 1: will adjust. They're not going to roll out the same offense.
Speaker 1: They know everything you're saying. Remember this is the this
Speaker 1: is the post Dalton Scale conversation. Lamar Jackson is not
Speaker 1: part of this conversation. Ultimately, right, we're all in agreement
Speaker 1: that he's in that top tier or than the number
Speaker 1: top three right now, the most crime right now, I
Speaker 1: don't know with you you guys all listen then then
Speaker 1: count me in the minority. And for whatever people and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're you're a Ravens hat whatever nonsense. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't mean crazy to say Lamar Jackson might not
Speaker 1: be one of the top five quarterbacks this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not It certainly happens like that, but but you
Speaker 1: know it, Dand's right, it's way far away from the
Speaker 1: Dalton scale market accent. For if I get to choose
Speaker 1: my starting quarterback, I will take seven over eight and
Speaker 1: I and you can all laugh at me and we'll
Speaker 1: see how things turn. That's your in this until the
Speaker 1: next offseason and see how that take looks. Mark, give
Speaker 1: us one more name before we before we move on here. Well,
Speaker 1: I you know, if I were listening to this, knowing
Speaker 1: you Dan and knowing what I'm into, I want to
Speaker 1: know where you had Baker and Sam. I just I
Speaker 1: can't get out of here without knowing that I had.
Speaker 1: And this was, as Dave said, a very unscientific lists
Speaker 1: that I whipped together amidst trying to teach geometry shapes
Speaker 1: to an eight year old. But I have Baker at
Speaker 1: fourteen and I have Sam, and I think he could
Speaker 1: rise off of this at twenty. But I have I
Speaker 1: promise I would just listed leave than you guys. I
Speaker 1: am thinking, like I believe in these guys. There's no
Speaker 1: way they'd never be below a Dalton line. To me,
Speaker 1: the story is not told in either one of these players.
Speaker 1: Yet I have almost the exact same rankings as you.
Speaker 1: Baker is a little higher than Darnald a little lower,
Speaker 1: but about the same. I have them both just below
Speaker 1: Derek Carr so um, which is essentially for me jury's out.
Speaker 1: Didn't you say that you were starting a fan club
Speaker 1: on our Around the NFL Broadcast TV show last night?
Speaker 1: You are one of the thirteen people that still believed
Speaker 1: in Baker Mayfield and you just buried him well that
Speaker 1: you're talking about matters of their heart versus me now
Speaker 1: being just cold blooded blooded and clinical. And I think
Speaker 1: that Baker Mayfield, based off two years, is a mystery
Speaker 1: figure to me, and I want him to be successful
Speaker 1: for Mark's sake, but also I can't ignore it. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't just for me. The step back and play
Speaker 1: last year. It was the lack of maturity and the
Speaker 1: feeling that, oh, I hope this guy is not a
Speaker 1: knuckle head, and that that is on my radar with
Speaker 1: Baker about whether or not he really has the head
Speaker 1: on his shoulders to be a true franchise quarterback star.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I don't believe in him.
Speaker 1: Uh And and like I said, I want him to
Speaker 1: do well, but there is a seed of doubt that
Speaker 1: was planted based off last year. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't see how it Campy, Greg. You've completely basically absolved
Speaker 1: him of all sins basically. But I said consistently, I
Speaker 1: should be not the other way last year. I should
Speaker 1: be the other the one that's in the Baker's does.
Speaker 1: And my thing is I've seen him play at an
Speaker 1: extremely high level, so he's shown that he can do that.
Speaker 1: And even last season, I think if you watched every
Speaker 1: snap he tuck and compared it to Donald and Josh Allen, Baker,
Speaker 1: Mayfield is miles ahead of those two. Last year, even
Speaker 1: in his down year, I really think like he was
Speaker 1: he was okay, he was not good. He made some mistakes,
Speaker 1: but that's where I see him right now, it's fair
Speaker 1: to see is a combustible persona to some degree, like
Speaker 1: when things are not going well and then he piles on.
Speaker 1: It was not helpful to eleveland and like he said,
Speaker 1: he's matured. So either he has. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: your Kyler Murray's who like don't say a single word
Speaker 1: over the course of a calendar year, just lift weights, work,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what you want, but um, I don't
Speaker 1: mind in the a f C North by Cleveland, Brown's
Speaker 1: quarterback with a little bit of personality, Um, if it
Speaker 1: doesn't cost them, and it doesn't totally the personality though
Speaker 1: doesn't like being a knucklehead and being having a person
Speaker 1: that's Greg Dan that that's you judging him as a
Speaker 1: knucklehead versus the general population scene in the way is
Speaker 1: like you were calling him you were worried that he
Speaker 1: was Johnny Manziel when we when during the draft process,
Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with Johnny Manziel. So
Speaker 1: I think that's the probably the fairest criticism though of Baker.
Speaker 1: I think that is the concern because to me, just
Speaker 1: in terms of the football skill set and what we've seen,
Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of questions, So I understand
Speaker 1: Dan's questions about that. That's exactly right. Rosendal's right. The
Speaker 1: football in part of it is there the thing that
Speaker 1: if you weren't already aware the Imperfect Jordan documentary mind,
Speaker 1: you of what make what really cuts it For a
Speaker 1: real competitor, swagger all you want when things are going well.
Speaker 1: Baker has not shown the ability to rise when there's adversity.
Speaker 1: That's the issue for him. I will just say, though,
Speaker 1: in an overarching way, I I really think it's remarkable
Speaker 1: as you try to cobble these lists together. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are fully twenty or so guys that you can
Speaker 1: see at least that are capable of winning the Lamartiney Trophy, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think you would have said that five years ago.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's amazing, Like I said, the Big
Speaker 1: three to me or Mahomes, Russell and Deshaun Watson, and
Speaker 1: then there's a a meaty second tier of really high
Speaker 1: end quarterbacks. The guy who nobody has mentioned in this
Speaker 1: conversation and hasn't probably mentioned in about a year is
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. But if he comes back, right, he's another
Speaker 1: guy who's capable of being nothing less once you get
Speaker 1: past that three of Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, It's not like Rogers, Roethlisberger, Breeze, Brady,
Speaker 1: Dak Matt Ryant have as many question marks around them
Speaker 1: as Matt Stafford does. There's a chance Matt Stafford could
Speaker 1: by the by this time February be like see Matt
Speaker 1: Stafforde going to the Hall of Fame. It's always been
Speaker 1: like he's on the edge of like he's on the
Speaker 1: edge of like is he j Cutler Park two? But
Speaker 1: I think there's still room for him to ascend a
Speaker 1: little bit further. But I got a long way to
Speaker 1: go before Hall of Fame, and I have here down
Speaker 1: my rankings. I have him sandwich between Brady and big
Speaker 1: Ben at number ten. I haven't see his potential as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with I have him higher than those guys in
Speaker 1: my top ten. I mean, he he's someone if he
Speaker 1: actually had been available. I don't think he was, but
Speaker 1: he would admit like I would rather have Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: than Sam Donald, Like I guess that's why he's that
Speaker 1: that high on this list. Like I I am not
Speaker 1: betting on unknown upside of Gardner, Minshew or whatever over
Speaker 1: or or Donald over Old Maddie Stafford. But would you
Speaker 1: take Stafford? Would you take Stafford over Baker? That's a
Speaker 1: tough one. I think about how many ascendant guys though
Speaker 1: there are in the league. All of a sudden between Darnald,
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen, the synesis, always sprays the ball
Speaker 1: around too much. As I always say, if Cam Newton
Speaker 1: and Ben Roethlisberger had a baby, it would be Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: They it's the same skills as those two guys. Inaccuracy
Speaker 1: is not an end all. You have no chance of
Speaker 1: succeeding in the NFL if you lack act. Roethlisberger came
Speaker 1: into the league one of the best deep off throwers
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Josh Allen couldn't is the worst. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it is. Maybe Cam Newton is half,
Speaker 1: but the other half. It's like maybe the brain shout
Speaker 1: of Tyler Thigpen and Cam Newton. You're just giving him
Speaker 1: too good of a second father. What a sorry. Let's
Speaker 1: put a button on it, though, what let's try to
Speaker 1: put it? I think it might be impossible to put
Speaker 1: a button on this conversation. But what would be kind
Speaker 1: of Our big takeaway at the end of this conversation,
Speaker 1: is there a clear cut successor to Dalton? Maybe it
Speaker 1: is still Dalton. Maybe the fact that he's the backup
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Cowboys doesn't change the fact that that's
Speaker 1: still still who it is. Like that, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the guy that you want to be on the right
Speaker 1: side of the ledger with him as the breaking play. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think Andy Dalton. We all decided last year
Speaker 1: that Dalton was still the Dalton scale. Did Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: get worse as a quarterback last year or was he
Speaker 1: just in a horrendous situation and it was time for
Speaker 1: him to go. I still think he's still the same guy.
Speaker 1: So shouldn't he still be the Dalton scale? Should the
Speaker 1: Dalton scale live? Ultimately? Okay, you just sold me. West
Speaker 1: would agree. I don't want to put words in his mouth,
Speaker 1: but I would think he would. He would maybe say
Speaker 1: the same thing. Maybe we'll ask him about that when
Speaker 1: he comes back. I'd say, the Bengals, I mean basically
Speaker 1: looked at the Dalton scale and said he's fallen below it.
Speaker 1: We we want something better. Finally, I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: if if I had to pick someone the person that
Speaker 1: feels right the same way that Ryan Tannehill with the
Speaker 1: Dolphins did a few years ago is Derek Carr. We've
Speaker 1: discussed it, we've gone through it. I just feel like
Speaker 1: that's the guy for me. I guess I will stick
Speaker 1: with where I went there with Ryan Tannehill because to me,
Speaker 1: the cut off point is if everything breaks right around
Speaker 1: this guy, can you see him hoisting a Lombardi Trophy.
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill was thirty minutes and a few seconds away
Speaker 1: from getting to Miami a year ago, so he we
Speaker 1: know he's that guy. Jared Goff is that guy. Um,
Speaker 1: I have my doubts about a number of guys below that,
Speaker 1: and uh, but yeah, it's an interesting it's really only
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look at how many names I have here.
Speaker 1: There may be ten names that right now I wouldn't say, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're there. They don't win in the Super Bowl. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: I think we're sixteen games away from Teddy Bridgewater having
Speaker 1: like an Alex Smith in Kansas City like season and
Speaker 1: saying it's like the Teddy Bridge quarterback over Chad Waters line.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he could be the guy we need a little more. Yes,
Speaker 1: so we did a few more starts that he is
Speaker 1: the guy to keep an eye on. Alright, good conversation, guys,
Speaker 1: before we go, before we say goodbye, it is time
Speaker 1: to revisit the Wheel of teams. Yes, what is the
Speaker 1: wheel of teams? We decided check. I know you are
Speaker 1: a every show listener to the news to you, but
Speaker 1: we have decided, in the time of a pandemic, in
Speaker 1: the deep off season, with no spring activities, that we're
Speaker 1: gonna start devoting our Wednesday show in part to a
Speaker 1: single team. We we track down one of the best
Speaker 1: beat writer or coverage people, we talked to them, and
Speaker 1: then we all do a study and then really break
Speaker 1: down that particular team. It's started when the wheels spun
Speaker 1: for the first time with Arizona Cardinals. And yes, there
Speaker 1: are concerns Mark Seessler into Earnally at NFL Media that
Speaker 1: when we put the ask out to the graphic team
Speaker 1: that they accidentally did not randomize it, so it landed
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals with the first team because they're the
Speaker 1: first in the alphabet, which would make the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: the team that will land on in week two. That
Speaker 1: is what we're hoping to avoid, Mark, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out right now. One of the reasons there was concerned,
Speaker 1: you know, check we all guest which team it would
Speaker 1: land on, and I randomly, with no nothing behind it,
Speaker 1: just guests the Arizona Cardinals. And we thought, well, that's
Speaker 1: a nice little moment, and we thought, wait, if this
Speaker 1: is going alphabetically, we're in big trouble. So we're about
Speaker 1: to find out. I think we should do we want
Speaker 1: to predict again? Or well, do you want to avoid that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you okay, Dave? I'm so excited
Speaker 1: that your respiratory system is I don't have the nineteen.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. I'm gonna predict in honor of
Speaker 1: Hansom Hank the London Monarchs. All right, let's set it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's swing, Let's spin the wheel, Ricky, let
Speaker 1: loose right and spinning is landing on? Oh this is
Speaker 1: exciting new Wow like that. We haven't talked about that
Speaker 1: that much. It's funny. In the post Eli era, they've
Speaker 1: been more under the radar than they've ever been on
Speaker 1: this show. So they're a good team to talk about.
Speaker 1: That's great. Big Blue will be the subject, and we
Speaker 1: will put our heads together and figure out who is
Speaker 1: a good outside source to bring onto the show and
Speaker 1: try to reel them in to talk a little Giants
Speaker 1: football as they begin spaghetti. How about that with l Jones,
Speaker 1: high gods all the way, idea we'll get talk on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we didn't touch on Tyrod Taylor. Who's
Speaker 1: got who perhaps is on the best roster? Uh? Below it?
Speaker 1: That's I can't hear Tyrod Taylor because I was thinking,
Speaker 1: what if the Chargers come up here and we didn't
Speaker 1: even talk about Tyrod? There. I'll see you guys when
Speaker 1: it's time for for the Steelers. One, yes, that sounds good.
Speaker 1: David and and Kirk Cousins didn't come up in that
Speaker 1: conversation either, which was a bit of an upset. But
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So the Giants will be the subject on
Speaker 1: on Wednesday or Thursday. Excuse me, on our Thursday show.
Speaker 1: We have a little bit of a different schedule because
Speaker 1: of the holiday Memorial Day on Monday. Uh Dave, damascheck
Speaker 1: you you've said it all. You came in and uh
Speaker 1: as you always have and you always will. You brought
Speaker 1: high energy and great analysis and as the originator of
Speaker 1: mirth at NFL Media, we we thank you as always
Speaker 1: for bringing that as well. Don't you patronize me, No,
Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate it. Over the moon for you
Speaker 1: guys with with the ongoing success, keep it going and
Speaker 1: uh muzzle tav of course to uh to weston Lakisha
Speaker 1: over the moon times ten for them, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: all right, and yes we will talk to West on Thursday.
Speaker 1: So another exciting thing to look forward to. All right.
Speaker 1: That's it, Dan hands a signing off for Quiet Storm.
Speaker 1: The old Boss shack Check Republic is gonna be plugged
Speaker 1: in on today's show. That's another reason to be excited. Everybody,
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening until Thursday. Yes,