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Speaker 1: Be Around the l Podcast invented social distancing. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hans is coming to you from a city

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Speaker 1: filled with some heroes in Bunker's Mark Sessler, Greg ros Atal.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hi Dan. We'll get to the

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Speaker 1: originator of Hey Diane in a minute and it's progeny.

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Speaker 1: But first I want to introduce one more hero joining

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Speaker 1: us today. He is the host of the Dave dama

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Speaker 1: Check Football program. There's a hint for you. He's also

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Speaker 1: the brains behind and the voice behind good Sports on

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Speaker 1: Ada dot Com and of course what buddy, one half

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Speaker 1: of the Great Dave's of Thunder podcast. You know who

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Speaker 1: it is, baby Dave damashek Welcome to Be Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. Wow era appropriate guitar riff? There? So am

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Speaker 1: I Mark Ring or my name Damna Hick? That a

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Speaker 1: man from the name wormhole in American history. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show. Thanks so much what. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: see you guys are still doing this show. Good for you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Where's the Where's the fourth guy? Wow? It's funny you

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Speaker 1: should ask Dave because uh, the man, the myth, the

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Speaker 1: legend Chris Westling predisposed, you know why, because he's on

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Speaker 1: the way back from the hospital because he's got a kid. Now,

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Speaker 1: how about that Lincoln Westling? Anybody want to help me

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Speaker 1: pronounce the middle name r O U X drew like

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Speaker 1: like like wrestling born. That's Friday, seven pm, seven pounds,

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Speaker 1: two ounces long, baby and mama Lakisha healthy. It's a

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Speaker 1: cause for celebration. You can sell right now. We can't

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Speaker 1: don't know there's like a dong coming. I just figured

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Speaker 1: it's so much, so much production value. It's amazing. Um.

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Speaker 1: I already saw him like tweeting back to someone like

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Speaker 1: I've been sleeping on how how tough it is on

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Speaker 1: like I don't know whether I'm so. I was so

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Speaker 1: excited for him, I like, for a second was almost jealous,

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Speaker 1: but not not really ultimately jealous that experiment because it's

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Speaker 1: such an exciting not not jealous of like having them up,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's such an exhilarating week, month, whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: like eight or nine periods stretch where you just knew that,

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Speaker 1: um like and it was confirmed late Lakisha put in

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Speaker 1: when we first simone, when we had Luke, like she

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Speaker 1: my opinion of what women are capable of. UM. And

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Speaker 1: what they're capable of, but it was increased in my mind,

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Speaker 1: and I like, I will say the second thing the baby.

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Speaker 1: Who were really gonna stop boozing in such for ten months?

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Speaker 1: having similar conversations with Dave where you kind of laid out,

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Speaker 1: Douglass would have loved nothing more than to blow out

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Speaker 1: Adam Gaze and bring in somebody like Eric B. Enemy

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Speaker 1: And think about how excited Jets fans. Well, we can

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Speaker 1: ask one here how excited they would be if Eric B.

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Speaker 1: Enemy had taken the reins. They just couldn't do it

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Speaker 1: because purging yet another coach given the last decade or

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Speaker 1: so would have looked shot even by Jet standards. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: the the you know, Jamal Adams figure it out because

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Speaker 1: if this team has a chance to to go somewhere,

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Speaker 1: and I suspect that Adam gaze is uh is the

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Speaker 1: reason that some some of those guys are kind of, um,

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Speaker 1: not terribly enthused about still wearing that that new look

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Speaker 1: green hat. Yeah, and I read this and it came

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Speaker 1: up in you know the articles. The Jets ranked tenth

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Speaker 1: in defense d v o A last year. Greg Williams,

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Speaker 1: despite being an unpopular figure, really does tend to get

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Speaker 1: the best out of guys and and Adams is such

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Speaker 1: a great fit, uh and he knows how to use them,

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Speaker 1: so they this marriage needs to stay intact. I just hope,

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Speaker 1: I don't want. I know, nobody wants to ever take

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Speaker 1: the side of management and the sports world, either on

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Speaker 1: Twitter or the sportswriters, it seems. But it comes off

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Speaker 1: as a little bit I'm gonna drop the word here,

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Speaker 1: like the warden from shawsh obtuse of Jamal Adams to

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Speaker 1: be really going nuts right now, considering all the factors

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Speaker 1: and the lack of leverage he has. But I love

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Speaker 1: the guys, just calm down. This is the time. What

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Speaker 1: is the leverage? Ultimately, though, I mean, this is the

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Speaker 1: time to exert it. I guess to to to say

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Speaker 1: how the hold out of training camp or whatever, because

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Speaker 1: he's stuck looking. Part of it is the fifth year option.

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Speaker 1: He's stuck looking that he's under control for two years

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Speaker 1: maybe three if you count the franchise tag. That he's

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Speaker 1: a long way away from getting that big money. And

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Speaker 1: so the off season is the time to do it

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Speaker 1: because they're not happy with it, and it is annoying

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Speaker 1: that you send out you know, it's so transparent that okay,

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Speaker 1: ten teams would be interested in him. You know, his

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Speaker 1: agent is sending out trying to get any trade interest.

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Speaker 1: But you know he is underpaid, like this is It's

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Speaker 1: just like Howard. But that's also the that's what the

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Speaker 1: union agreed to when they uh the ownership and the

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Speaker 1: union did the rookie pay scale. That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just say this is perhaps far too simplistic,

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Speaker 1: but Patrick Mahomes drafted the same year as Jamal Adams,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten his new deal yet either. If Pat

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Speaker 1: Mahomes isn't getting his new deal yet, Deshaun Watson is

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Speaker 1: not getting his new deal yet. You want to hear

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Speaker 1: them honking about it, You're always gonna have Jamal Adams

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's and it's and it's there's nothing

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Speaker 1: else happening. But it's like, I feel like nine out

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Speaker 1: of ten times when we hear from this guy, it's

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Speaker 1: money contract, it's agent whispers. It's just exhausting. I just

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Speaker 1: want to have a button where I can just remove

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Speaker 1: Jamal Adams from all life until he actually is playing football,

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Speaker 1: because he's a delight on that front. We agree with

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Speaker 1: all that, and but imagine also it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: like those stretched over a full year. But it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit analogous to like fifteen years ago. Remember when

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Speaker 1: Baron Davis signed with the Clippers on the assumption that

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Speaker 1: because Elton Brand said, let's go to l A and

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Speaker 1: readefined pro basketball in Los Angeles, let's go will be

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Speaker 1: the will be the cornerstones of the resurgence of the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: And then Baron Davis signs, and then Elton Brand signs

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Speaker 1: with the Sixers like Levan Bell must be like you do.

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Speaker 1: You never stopped with the social media about how I

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Speaker 1: need to come here and I'm gonna be the finishing

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Speaker 1: piece now you want out. Not very presidential, but finally

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Speaker 1: in the news, Carlos Carlos Hyde has a job. The

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Speaker 1: running backs signed with the Seattle Seahawks. It's a one

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Speaker 1: year deal. He's added to a backfield that has Cris Carr,

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Speaker 1: Chris Carson and Rashod Penny both coming off injuries. DeVante

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Speaker 1: Freeman was apparently an option as well Mark initially, but

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Speaker 1: but the Seahawks go with Hide, who's had a nice

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Speaker 1: season with the Texans and gives them some depth and

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Speaker 1: another um solid option, especially if the injury issues, uh

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Speaker 1: you know, shorten out that depth chart again. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: thought the bigger piece of news was Mike Silver reporting

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Speaker 1: that DeVonta Freeman is perfectly content to sit out for

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Speaker 1: the entire year if he doesn't get the kind of

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Speaker 1: money he wants. And I don't imagine he's going to

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Speaker 1: get the kind of money he wants. Carlos Hide. I

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Speaker 1: assume he makes the roster because these guys are banged up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're it's basic feels like a a patch

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Speaker 1: until they there top backs get healthy. Well, yeah, Chris

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Speaker 1: Carson coming off a hip surgery, Pennies coming off with

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Speaker 1: to ourn a c l Yeah, I did that. The

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Speaker 1: projected starter series and the Seahawks are one of them.

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Speaker 1: Is that you look at you look at their raster

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Speaker 1: and it's it's got so many problems other than Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: they just count on and I think the backfield could

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Speaker 1: have been one of them. So Hide is a good

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Speaker 1: pickup to to add to those two injured guys. But

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Speaker 1: it's like the offense. The line is terrible. They have

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Speaker 1: two great receivers, but that's it. Then a total nothing

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Speaker 1: after that and all sorts of you know, holes on

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Speaker 1: their defensive line. And okay, so you know, but they're

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Speaker 1: asking Russell Wilson to be a hero here. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Carlos Hide is gonna change anything. I may be

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Speaker 1: the world's only out well, at least outside of Columbus, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: the only uh Carlos Hide stand And somebody somebody got

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Speaker 1: after me by the way, on social media. Am I

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Speaker 1: too old to use the word stand? Because I'm not?

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Speaker 1: Am I I think you're I don't I think Ban

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Speaker 1: and I are on the bubble and you're over it,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're we're over it too, even I

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Speaker 1: think fair I because you know you know what to

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Speaker 1: side with you. It doesn't feel right and I and

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Speaker 1: part of that is because I'm not exactly sure what

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Speaker 1: it means. But I think I get the essence of it.

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Speaker 1: You're not sure what it means. I think I get.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I'm fully supportive. Right, You're like a huge

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Speaker 1: You're a huge fan. It means like you're you're you're

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Speaker 1: putting the cape on. You know, you're caping for him.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that another way to see? Right? Yeah, you're writing

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Speaker 1: and you're writing letters to M and M, just like

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Speaker 1: standard way back when in two thousand and one. That's

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Speaker 1: the origins, right. I like Carlos Hide very much, and

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Speaker 1: I was happy to see him finally fulfill his what

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Speaker 1: I perceived to be his potential with the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 1: Is he the difference? Though? Up with you Rosenthal and

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Speaker 1: you say they're expecting him. He already did it for

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Speaker 1: him that past year. I I that gets him to

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Speaker 1: the final eight, It doesn't get him. I agree. I

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Speaker 1: think no one has you know, I always say, to

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Speaker 1: the chagrin of many smart football people, I say, QB

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Speaker 1: wins do matter when they only hand out the one

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Speaker 1: Lombardi at the end of every year. It does matter

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Speaker 1: if you succeed in the postseason. But yes, I'm I

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Speaker 1: think Russell Wilson assumes the same position as John Elway

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Speaker 1: once had, which is that their greatest deeds are not

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Speaker 1: in winning Lombardies. Rather, it's carrying these these rosters that

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Speaker 1: have no business being in the mix this deep in

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Speaker 1: the January. I mean when Elway was doing that with

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Speaker 1: those but with Sammy Winder and Vance Johnson sorts back

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Speaker 1: in the in the mid eighties, that's akin to what

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has been doing these last couple of years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they never had a run game. Their defense had some stars,

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Speaker 1: but they were far from dominant. And it was Elway

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Speaker 1: and I Russell Wilson done it three or four years

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Speaker 1: in a row. It feels like, hold that thought on,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. That's what's happening in the news. Alright, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: it is time now to get into the two thousand,

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Speaker 1: twenty Dalton scale conversation and what it means to be

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Speaker 1: a quarterback in where you where you fit on the

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Speaker 1: list when it comes to who's great, who's bad, who's

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Speaker 1: good enough? And if you've never heard us talk about

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Speaker 1: the Dalton scale, and what does the Dalton scale mean?

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Speaker 1: And why does Andy Dalton such a I'm gonna figure

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Speaker 1: in this conversation and what does that mean going forward?

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Speaker 1: With Andy Dalton maybe holding a clipboard for sixteen weeks, Well,

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Speaker 1: let me throw it to you, Chris Westling from a

578
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Speaker 1: prior podcast. What is the Dalton scale? Andy Dalton is

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Speaker 1: the primary indian of NFL quarterbacks. He represents quarterback purgatory.

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Speaker 1: If you are ranked below Andy Dalton, your franchise needs

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. If you ranked above Andy Dalton, you're in

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Speaker 1: ship shape. Everything's figured out, You're good to go. There

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Speaker 1: you go. So what does it mean when Andy Dalton

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Speaker 1: is no longer a starter? And that's where we're gonna

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Speaker 1: start this conversation right now? Is there a replacement for

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton? Or uh? Dave Damna check? And we were

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Speaker 1: texting about this earlier. Has the very setup of the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position shifted enough now where that conversation doesn't make

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Speaker 1: as much sense anymore? Check your thoughts, um way too

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Speaker 1: nuanced for me to figure out the word sequence to

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Speaker 1: explain it in short order. But you know, about five

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Speaker 1: six years ago, we all talked about the fact um

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Speaker 1: that that that it's weird than in a world of

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Speaker 1: seven billion people that we can't find thirty two Nate

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Speaker 1: twenty human beings to successfully play quarterback in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and one of the most successful bits, or at least

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Speaker 1: most used bits lifetime analysis. Life's not a bit, friend,

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Speaker 1: that's spot up. And and the football gods heard me,

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Speaker 1: as did the personnel guys and the high school and

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Speaker 1: college systems that develop quarterbacks. They all combine. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that a coincidence? Probably? Maybe not either way. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy theories are all the rage now. Either way, however,

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Speaker 1: we got here, we have achieved pretty close to, if

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Speaker 1: not spot on. QB saturay Asian And I'll throw this

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Speaker 1: one out here. Maybe that guy who you're talking about

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Speaker 1: above and below is the guy who has no job

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Speaker 1: right now. His name is Cam Newton. Cam Newton is

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Speaker 1: interesting because how many guys can you rightly say, go

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Speaker 1: through the list to presume starters for how many of

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Speaker 1: those guys would you say, for one season and of

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Speaker 1: course I'm being a little glass half full about the

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Speaker 1: about number one's medicals checking out and everything. But how

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Speaker 1: many of those guys would you say are definitely better

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Speaker 1: than Cam Newton right now? Go through that list? I

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Speaker 1: actually was doing it, and I think there's maybe it's

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Speaker 1: roughly about half the league that I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll roll with that guy over Cam Newton if if

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Speaker 1: it's my team and I get to anoint the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think there are decent options in the starting group,

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Speaker 1: and Cam makes sense. I do think the Dalton lines

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Speaker 1: still makes sense because ultimately, difference makers still matter at

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Speaker 1: core her back. So if you're around average, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be worse than having a Russell Wilson. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a pretty big middle class. But the names that

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Speaker 1: kind of stand out, and maybe it's more than fifteen,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're at saturation. To me, it's more

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Speaker 1: like eight. And it's it's Derek Carr, It's Golf maybe

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Speaker 1: who i'd put just above it. It's Tannehill, could be

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Speaker 1: in that mix. Those are I hold that thok right.

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Speaker 1: Because we we all as part of this put together

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Speaker 1: our list of quarterbacks, we kept out the rookies, but

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Speaker 1: included guys like Andy Dalton, Mike Jameis Winston that have

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Speaker 1: have had extended starting experience and are currently headed toward

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Speaker 1: a backup role. My list was thirty four guys. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you guys are in the same range, and Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr is a natural guy to talk about in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, guys, where you had car and

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Speaker 1: then tell me the two guys on either side of him,

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00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: starting with you, Sessler, Well, I always find it every

640
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: time that I bring I'm lower on Derek Carn. Always

641
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: had been than a lot of people on Twitter scene

642
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: to be. And whenever you negatively discuss Derek Carr, you

643
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: get all these people that are hitting you with these

644
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: metrics about how Derek Carr performs in certain spaces. I

645
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: kind of just look at quarterbacks is the overall experience,

646
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: and he just doesn't do it for me. Um, Derek Carr,

647
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: I had down you and I had him above Nick Foles,

648
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: who I think, when he's healthy and in the right

649
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: situation is is a solid quarterback. I don't trust him

650
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: at all to stay healthy as a starter at all.

651
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: And I can't believe the money he gets over and over,

652
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: and I had Teddy Bridgewater below that, and I have

653
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: Car And again I'm like, I'm looking at the whole

654
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: experience I have below Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew and

655
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: some of these young guys maybe are worse than Cam Newton,

656
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: but from a team building angle, you don't just give

657
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: up on someone like Daniel Jones because Cam Newton is available.

658
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: That's the problem with some But that's the thing of

659
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: like who would I rather have or the Dalton scale.

660
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: To me, Car is kind of perfectly in the middle

661
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: of the starters because he rises and falls I think

662
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: based on what's around him, and maybe he will get

663
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: a lot better and he does have some talent, But

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00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: to me, I'm gonna take the guess that this is

665
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: about who he is, that he's going to be the

666
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: product of the people around him. And uh, I think

667
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: he's better at this point than some of those young players,

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00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: Like I think he'd be better. I'd rather have him

669
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: than than Gardner Minshew right now, or or Nick Foles certainly.

670
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: And so I had him around nineteen and it was

671
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: those names writer right around Tannehill and golf kind of

672
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: in a in a Sandwich or any one of them

673
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: could be the Tanna scale. I have him a twenty one,

674
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: and I think that going off what we're what you

675
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: were saying, uh, Greg, which I I agree with that

676
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: it feels like that's right around the number of the

677
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: drop off two where you begin to have an issue,

678
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: and to me, he's right at that point where I

679
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: start to get worried. So I have I have Dalton

680
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: ahead of Car though right on my list at nine

681
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: Team Tannahill, it's twenty. I have Car twenty one, and

682
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: then I have Josh Allen may Yield. Donald fits magic

683
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: beneath right now. Right now is where I so I

684
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: I guess I'm you're saying you would rather have Derek

685
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: Carr than Sam Donald or Baker Mayfield. I'm saying right now,

686
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: in terms of what he brings, what we know for

687
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: his ceiling, what he can do if surrounded by the

688
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: right guys, He's more of a known entity than those

689
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: guys at that point at this point to me, which

690
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: is why I have him higher, even though I obviously

691
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: has a Jets fan. I'm betting on Donald's upside, but

692
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I simply haven't seen enough yet. It just it seems

693
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: like Mayfield is a guy that had such a bad

694
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: year last year that now he's shaken me a little bit.

695
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: But I also could see him being obviously better. But

696
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: right now car is a safer bet to me. Just

697
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 1: it's quarterback into vacuum because I'm thinking about we don't

698
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: know the ceilings of son of these people, and I

699
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: feel like I kind of know Derek Carr's ceiling. I

700
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: don't know where you're on with with with this one check.

701
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that, Yeah, I basically slot him where

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00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: you guys do I. I'm sorry, hands who's tried as

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00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: I did to rank them one through thirty two? Ish,

704
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: I just couldn't assert numbers specifically I had I I

705
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: had to go tears at something. How did you do it?

706
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: Why did it tears there? What's interesting too, and we'll

707
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: get to that, is uh is that there is a

708
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Speaker 1: brand new, clear cut top three that does not include

709
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Speaker 1: any of the usuals that would have been there five

710
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: years or so ago. Those guys now all kind of

711
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: gather in a second tier. But yeah, Derek Carr and

712
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: I have him right around the name you guys were

713
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: throwing out there. I would put Jimmy g in there.

714
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: Teddy b and there Jared Goff is a fascinating one

715
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: going into as far as I'm concerned, Um, and uh,

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00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: you know, I guess a tick above that is Kirk

717
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: is Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz. I am much hipper on

718
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: Josh Allen than most of the world is. Um. Yeah,

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00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: So you have Josh Allen among the second you have

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen way above car and you have meang and

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00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: that right if people well, if people listen, if you're

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00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna call me out on saying like, what's Josh Allen done,

723
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you know that he is not close to

724
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: his ceiling yet. Whereas as Sessler says, other guys we've

725
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: we've seen them, Baker in the top ten or twelve. Baker,

726
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: to me, it was way above the line because I've

727
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: seen them already. I'm not gaining him that much for

728
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: for the second year. Maybe the guy, maybe the middle

729
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: guy is now for Andy Dalton is Ryan Tannehill. And

730
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: not just because anybody below that you can call untannable.

731
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Um in terms of winning a Super Bowl. But I

732
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: got I got into a social media debate with many

733
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: Titans fans who knew that there were so many Tennessee

734
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: Titans fans out there, they got very It's always it's

735
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: always the new Vaux reach. It's all that when people

736
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: do these debates about which fan bases are the most

737
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 1: annoying and everything, it's people who just found a little

738
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: bit of loot. And these Titans fans of Bill think, yeah,

739
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: they think, they they think, But these Titans fans see

740
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: confused by what what was actually achieved in this most

741
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: recent playoffs. You didn't at least Joe Flacco left the

742
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Ravens in a spot where they had to resign him.

743
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: They had no choice because as much as you knew,

744
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: and as much as no doubt as he knew, someone

745
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: down new like, all right, Joe Flacco is not on

746
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: par with all these other guys that make it to

747
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls with a fair amount of regularity. But

748
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: he's now, especially after we let Dilford go in favor

749
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: of Elvis Gerban, we have to as a franchise bring

750
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Flacco back. The Ryan Tannehill thing. I get why you

751
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: have to sign him, but I advocated over the weekend

752
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: that what they should do if they really want to

753
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: put themselves in line for a Lombardi in is signed

754
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Cam Newton for a little competition there, and uh, people

755
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: went crazy, You think Cam Newton is as good as

756
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. Yes, I do, Yes, I I think he's

757
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: quite a bit superior to Ryan Tannehill. People sending me

758
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: um uh QB ratings of of Ryan tanne You never

759
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: watched him. Never mind the fact that I said last

760
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: August one. If they make the switch soon enough in

761
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: the season, they will go to the playoffs on the

762
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: right arm Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry and people want crazy, Um,

763
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: but that is a one off. Joe Flacco, Jimmy g

764
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: these guys that get you deep. If not to the

765
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: super Bowl, Jared Goff, you can thread the needle if

766
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: everything goes just right, but still not good enough to

767
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: be a perennial contender. Let me throw Let me throw

768
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: another name out there, by the way, go ahead for it,

769
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: go for I wanted to throw out not again, because

770
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: I think this is important for branding purposes. If we

771
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: are post Thaulton scale, what about the River's Edge Philip

772
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: Rivers joining the Cults obviously coming off a disappointing year

773
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: where he was a turnover machine. But still I think

774
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, including myself. Matt money Smith,

775
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: who watched him very closely, thinks very highly of Rivers

776
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: as Chances Indiana, Indianapolis. Where does he fall for you, guys?

777
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: I have him personally at fifteen on my list, which

778
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: puts you comfortably in that second tier where you're still

779
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: the answer. But also I imagine he could be lower

780
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: for some people, and anybody had him lower than fifteen

781
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: and closer to that kind of twenty range. I had

782
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: him right where you did. I love the name rivers Edge.

783
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: To me, he doesn't feel like a natural one, kind

784
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: of like Tannehill doesn't either. Right just right now, because

785
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: Tannehill is coming off set a small sample size where

786
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league,

787
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: I think that you just have to like accept that.

788
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: I know it was a strange situation, but especially in

789
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: the regular season, he was the top five quarterback. I mean,

790
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: there's there's no doubt in my mind for that stretch

791
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: of play, and it was just like unlike anything we've

792
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: ever seen from him. So you just gotta see it again.

793
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: And it was like seven or eight games with a

794
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: new team. Who knows that he doesn't quite work like

795
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: I want a guy in the middle to be more

796
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: like Alex Smith maybe Jared Goff, where you you kind

797
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: of know what he is. He's the same season, whereas

798
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. You know, I'm I'm out here just hoping

799
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: it's all going to click for him and he's gonna

800
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: be amazing and he could be a top seven or

801
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: eight guy. But if you told me that that's all

802
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: just wishful thinking and he ends up bombing, like I

803
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: would believe that too, like he's going to be up

804
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: or down. I'm close to you, then I had him

805
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: at fourteen. Here. Here's why. Outside of an incredible catchy

806
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: slogan there, I'm not sure it works because to me,

807
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: it's a great quarterback just simply at the end of

808
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: his rope to some degree where I I For me,

809
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: the reason the Dalton scale clicks in in everyone's mind

810
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: is because Andy Dalton, from beginning to end, had a

811
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: very defined ceiling and you're either um okay with that

812
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: or you're not. Philip Rivers could go produce a thirty

813
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: five touchdown campaign, I wouldn't be surprised. He could also

814
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: throw thirty interceptions. But it's because we're getting Dalton or

815
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: rivers at the very end of the of the career. Here.

816
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: It's funny, though we're throwing out Jimmy G as a possibility.

817
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: Are we already losing some hope of like him as

818
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna be way better than he has been?

819
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like he He he was

820
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: about as everyone was about as excited, including me about

821
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy G three years ago as anyone, and now we're

822
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: thinking he's like the Dalton scale guy. I hated that

823
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: they hit him in the playoffs, and then when he

824
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: had the chance to win the game, uh, the big game,

825
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: he couldn't. He couldn't do it. I'm not digging him

826
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: forever on it, but it did plant the seed of

827
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: doubt a little bit with me that he is the guy,

828
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: just because Kyle Shannon didn't seem comfortable with him being

829
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: the guy as the season went down the stretch last year.

830
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: So it hasn't it has led to a change of

831
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: thinking a little bit. I I I'll throw out this

832
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: little analogy though, where Jimmy G and Ryan Tannehill and

833
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: those guys are Jared Goff are concerned. It's a little

834
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: bit like when Matt Leiner was out there and people

835
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: were saying, why doesn't any why you know who where

836
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: he should go? Why doesn't Pete Carroll go get him?

837
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: The fact that Pete Carroll, his college coach, didn't get him,

838
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: should have been and probably was a red flag to

839
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: the rest of pro football. Well, if he's college coach

840
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in him, If the if the offensive coaches

841
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: for the Niners saw fit to hide Jimmy g well

842
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: then there's probably a decent reason why they were doing that.

843
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: Same goes for Ryan Tannehill can have whatever passer rating

844
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: he wanted, and I believed in his talent and still do.

845
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: But it's a little bit of a red flag that

846
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: the Titans coaching staff was like, yeah, let's let's not

847
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: put the game on him. I mean when they're winning

848
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: comfortably against good teams, and he played well in the

849
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: a f C Championship, So I don't buy that at all,

850
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: Like they're they were winning, like he was doing what

851
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: they needed to do. But it's all predicated with with

852
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: a certain class of QB and I'm not denigrating them,

853
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just comparing them to Hall of Fame

854
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: level quarterbacks. These guys that we're talking about. It's it's

855
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: not a coincidence that they're pretty much if I'm looking

856
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: at it right, are all their success is based around

857
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: play action and it's a funny thing. Like Jimmy G specifically,

858
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: and Jared Goff is another one in the same division,

859
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: both strug This is just the anecdotal nonsense to what

860
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: my eyes pick up watching these guys is that when

861
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: they that you need to play action for them to

862
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: succeed at this level. However, when they turned their back

863
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: to the defense and then they picked their head back

864
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: up and have to release the ball, they're not quick

865
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: enough or talented enough to read those defenses and they

866
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: throw a lot of interceptible passes. Jimmy Gee specifically, Kyle

867
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: Shanahan absolutely positively knows that he has to deal Jimmy

868
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: G throwing two or three pickable balls over sixty minutes

869
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: and he has to work his way around that. That's

870
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: clear and was clear through January and into the Super Bowl.

871
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: And why Jared Goff Jared what That's what Flories and

872
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: Belichick figured out. And that's why I suspect with all

873
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: the changes and injuries and other excuses, you might make

874
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: what the template that was provided by those guys in

875
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl was oh, yeah, just don't yeah, just

876
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: don't suck up when uh dropped that safety late, when

877
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Jared Goff turn puts his head back up, he won't

878
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: know what to do. And we saw that all through

879
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. That's why the Patriots only allowed three

880
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: points to the Mighty l A Ram's offense. All right,

881
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: now we're gonna I'm gonna put Dave on his heels.

882
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: But Dave, you're not allowed to talk initially on this

883
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: one because I want to hear from the other guys

884
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: because I know you have thoughts on this guy. Wi

885
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: her Ben Roethelisberger, don't you do it? I think it's

886
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: a fair question. Is he above the Dalton scale right now?

887
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: I mean Dave's tweeting about that he'd rather have Ben

888
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger than LaVar Jackson. So we know Dave is off

889
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: his rocker when it comes to Ben. I I um,

890
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: I still put him above it. But he wasn't much

891
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: better than average the last full season he played. And

892
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: he's a thirty eight year old with you know, questionable

893
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: workout habits over his career, coming off an elbow surgery,

894
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: so I don't know, like, there's not a great history

895
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: of guys coming off elbow surgery at thirty eight. Uh,

896
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: and suddenly slang it I have been, I have been

897
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: at number twelve, and it's maybe it's it's almost twenty

898
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: years of watching him. Um, take my Sundays which start

899
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: with the nice sun rising in the sky and then

900
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: shooting like a poison laced arrow right through my face. Um,

901
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: it's happened so many times with Big Ben that I

902
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: don't um, I don't. I don't buy this idea that

903
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: like he's um washed up unless it's injury related to

904
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: his body is breaking down. But he's healthy, he can

905
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: be a top ten quarterback in my books. That yeah,

906
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: I had him right next to We all agree with healthy.

907
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: So the question is he ever gonna be healthy? Is

908
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: he ever gonna be healthy again? He says he's in

909
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: great shape right now. I mean, unless he's totally fibbing

910
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: a white lie. I we've never known. Well, I'm I'm

911
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: not sorry they've state your case why Ben Roethlisberger is

912
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: actually better than ever now. Yeah, I don't care for

913
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: his fitness as as somebody who is running yet opt

914
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: more physical peak. I looked my look down my nose

915
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: at number seven. Um, listen for I mean, maybe I'm

916
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: not getting paid, I'm not getting bid. Maybe maybe we'll

917
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: send number seven up to TV twelve and uh they'll

918
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: fix them all up with some uh with some sage

919
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: burning over his uh, his ailing elbow. I know. The

920
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: bottom line is what Roethlisberger is. This has been I

921
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: thought you couldn't get any weirder on the National Football

922
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: Analyst thing than than the reaction to Antonio Brown was like,

923
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: you have no special insight into what's going on there,

924
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: and yet you know enough to weigh in on on

925
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: what Ben Roethlisberger is doing in the life was just

926
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of pap a year ago, and here we

927
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: are once again with with black and gold related matters,

928
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: people projecting I don't know, I don't what's his elbow? Like,

929
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't And you know who else

930
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: doesn't know? Anybody else, nobody else has any idea what's gone? Yeah?

931
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: I do have faith. Though I grew up. I love

932
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: Billy Sims. He ruined his knee and his early in

933
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: his career what would have been a Hall of Fame

934
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: all time running back career. And they couldn't fix it.

935
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson Conversely, thirty years later, Oh yet a knee

936
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: and drink. We fixed that thing right up there, back

937
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: out there, ready to roll. The same goes for Ben Roethlisberger.

938
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet I'm gonna bet on twenty one century

939
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: medicine over Lamar Jackson's ability to response, to respond to

940
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: to your your bile, your snark, Rosenthal, I'm gonna bet on.

941
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I know that I am in the vast minority on

942
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: this one, but I do I I am suspicious that.

943
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: First of all, I'll go back to to Warren Sapp

944
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: what he said forever ago. Defensive coordinators in pro football

945
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: adapt very quickly. They have now, just like I mentioned

946
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: what Flora's Belichick cooked up to slow down Jared Goff.

947
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: Same goes this offseason. Everybody saw what the Titans did

948
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: now Jeffrey season about the Chargers, I mean, they could

949
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: have stopped during the regular season. You know they were

950
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: they made you know that they made a whole sale

951
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: commitment to their credit. The Ravens did around Lamar Jackson

952
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: skill set. Now, the next challenge is to respond to

953
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: the adjustments that the defenses of the NFL are gonna

954
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 1: make to Lamar Jackson. I loved it. And by the way,

955
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: I said all through last offseason and and into September

956
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson in ten that offense was gonna thrive

957
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: and dominate the NFL, and so it did. Now, though,

958
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: come the adjustments, and now can Lamar Jackson. I love

959
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: that big eight style wishbone attack, but it has its limitations. Namely,

960
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: it's always weird when people say, well, this offense doesn't

961
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: want to get behind, it has a hard time. Well

962
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: that's a that's a problem. Isn't it that your that

963
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: your offense isn't built to come from behind, You assume

964
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: you're always gonna play with the lead. Weird, especially it's

965
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: high end teams come January. Um I I worry about that.

966
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: And the other thing I do legitimately worry about is man.

967
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: He looks like he Lamar Jackson looks like he's six

968
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: too and and a hundred and twenty eight pounds. I

969
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: don't think that leaves him well suited for long term success.

970
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I know that the weirdest thing is the high end

971
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: physical I don't love his I don't like his build

972
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He's gonna get smacked. And now it

973
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: comes down to the weird incalculable thing in calculated big

974
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: fatties as as why are you projecting whether Lamar Jackson

975
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: can stay healthy in the NFL when we've had almost

976
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: two seasons of evidence that he can and he's six

977
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: two to twelve. I I don't. I was I was

978
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: being extreme, but the the the I guess that the

979
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: weird thing is that for the superhuman athlete, even amidst

980
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: other superhumans, when you stand out with that kind of speed,

981
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: you can run away from NFL defenders. It's striking stuff.

982
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: And we've seen Michael Vick do it, and RG three

983
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: do it, and Colin Kaepernick do it. And now it

984
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: comes down to, like Colin Kaepernick never got lit up,

985
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Michael Vick and RG three better. The difference is he's

986
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: just way better at what he does than any of

987
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: those players ever were already, and the and the Ravens

988
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: will adjust. They're not going to roll out the same offense.

989
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: They know everything you're saying. Remember this is the this

990
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: is the post Dalton Scale conversation. Lamar Jackson is not

991
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: part of this conversation. Ultimately, right, we're all in agreement

992
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: that he's in that top tier or than the number

993
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: top three right now, the most crime right now, I

994
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: don't know with you you guys all listen then then

995
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: count me in the minority. And for whatever people and

996
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're you're a Ravens hat whatever nonsense. Uh,

997
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: I don't mean crazy to say Lamar Jackson might not

998
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: be one of the top five quarterbacks this year. I mean,

999
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: that's not It certainly happens like that, but but you

1000
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: know it, Dand's right, it's way far away from the

1001
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: Dalton scale market accent. For if I get to choose

1002
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: my starting quarterback, I will take seven over eight and

1003
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: I and you can all laugh at me and we'll

1004
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: see how things turn. That's your in this until the

1005
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: next offseason and see how that take looks. Mark, give

1006
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: us one more name before we before we move on here. Well,

1007
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: I you know, if I were listening to this, knowing

1008
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: you Dan and knowing what I'm into, I want to

1009
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: know where you had Baker and Sam. I just I

1010
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: can't get out of here without knowing that I had.

1011
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: And this was, as Dave said, a very unscientific lists

1012
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: that I whipped together amidst trying to teach geometry shapes

1013
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: to an eight year old. But I have Baker at

1014
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: fourteen and I have Sam, and I think he could

1015
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: rise off of this at twenty. But I have I

1016
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: promise I would just listed leave than you guys. I

1017
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: am thinking, like I believe in these guys. There's no

1018
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: way they'd never be below a Dalton line. To me,

1019
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: the story is not told in either one of these players.

1020
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: Yet I have almost the exact same rankings as you.

1021
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: Baker is a little higher than Darnald a little lower,

1022
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: but about the same. I have them both just below

1023
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: Derek Carr so um, which is essentially for me jury's out.

1024
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: Didn't you say that you were starting a fan club

1025
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: on our Around the NFL Broadcast TV show last night?

1026
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: You are one of the thirteen people that still believed

1027
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: in Baker Mayfield and you just buried him well that

1028
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: you're talking about matters of their heart versus me now

1029
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: being just cold blooded blooded and clinical. And I think

1030
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: that Baker Mayfield, based off two years, is a mystery

1031
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: figure to me, and I want him to be successful

1032
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: for Mark's sake, but also I can't ignore it. And

1033
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't just for me. The step back and play

1034
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: last year. It was the lack of maturity and the

1035
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: feeling that, oh, I hope this guy is not a

1036
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: knuckle head, and that that is on my radar with

1037
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: Baker about whether or not he really has the head

1038
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: on his shoulders to be a true franchise quarterback star.

1039
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I don't believe in him.

1040
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: Uh And and like I said, I want him to

1041
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: do well, but there is a seed of doubt that

1042
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: was planted based off last year. I don't know. I

1043
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: don't see how it Campy, Greg. You've completely basically absolved

1044
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: him of all sins basically. But I said consistently, I

1045
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: should be not the other way last year. I should

1046
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: be the other the one that's in the Baker's does.

1047
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: And my thing is I've seen him play at an

1048
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: extremely high level, so he's shown that he can do that.

1049
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: And even last season, I think if you watched every

1050
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: snap he tuck and compared it to Donald and Josh Allen, Baker,

1051
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: Mayfield is miles ahead of those two. Last year, even

1052
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: in his down year, I really think like he was

1053
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: he was okay, he was not good. He made some mistakes,

1054
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: but that's where I see him right now, it's fair

1055
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: to see is a combustible persona to some degree, like

1056
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: when things are not going well and then he piles on.

1057
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: It was not helpful to eleveland and like he said,

1058
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: he's matured. So either he has. I mean, you have

1059
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: your Kyler Murray's who like don't say a single word

1060
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: over the course of a calendar year, just lift weights, work,

1061
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what you want, but um, I don't

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00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: mind in the a f C North by Cleveland, Brown's

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00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: quarterback with a little bit of personality, Um, if it

1064
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: doesn't cost them, and it doesn't totally the personality though

1065
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: doesn't like being a knucklehead and being having a person

1066
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: that's Greg Dan that that's you judging him as a

1067
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: knucklehead versus the general population scene in the way is

1068
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: like you were calling him you were worried that he

1069
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: was Johnny Manziel when we when during the draft process,

1070
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with Johnny Manziel. So

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: I think that's the probably the fairest criticism though of Baker.

1072
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: I think that is the concern because to me, just

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: in terms of the football skill set and what we've seen,

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00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of questions, So I understand

1075
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: Dan's questions about that. That's exactly right. Rosendal's right. The

1076
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: football in part of it is there the thing that

1077
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: if you weren't already aware the Imperfect Jordan documentary mind,

1078
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: you of what make what really cuts it For a

1079
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: real competitor, swagger all you want when things are going well.

1080
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: Baker has not shown the ability to rise when there's adversity.

1081
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: That's the issue for him. I will just say, though,

1082
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: in an overarching way, I I really think it's remarkable

1083
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: as you try to cobble these lists together. I mean,

1084
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: there are fully twenty or so guys that you can

1085
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: see at least that are capable of winning the Lamartiney Trophy, right.

1086
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you would have said that five years ago.

1087
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it's it's amazing, Like I said, the Big

1088
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: three to me or Mahomes, Russell and Deshaun Watson, and

1089
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: then there's a a meaty second tier of really high

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00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: end quarterbacks. The guy who nobody has mentioned in this

1091
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: conversation and hasn't probably mentioned in about a year is

1092
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. But if he comes back, right, he's another

1093
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: guy who's capable of being nothing less once you get

1094
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: past that three of Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, It's not like Rogers, Roethlisberger, Breeze, Brady,

1095
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: Dak Matt Ryant have as many question marks around them

1096
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: as Matt Stafford does. There's a chance Matt Stafford could

1097
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: by the by this time February be like see Matt

1098
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: Stafforde going to the Hall of Fame. It's always been

1099
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: like he's on the edge of like he's on the

1100
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: edge of like is he j Cutler Park two? But

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00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: I think there's still room for him to ascend a

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00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: little bit further. But I got a long way to

1103
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: go before Hall of Fame, and I have here down

1104
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: my rankings. I have him sandwich between Brady and big

1105
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Ben at number ten. I haven't see his potential as well. Yeah,

1106
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm with I have him higher than those guys in

1107
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: my top ten. I mean, he he's someone if he

1108
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: actually had been available. I don't think he was, but

1109
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: he would admit like I would rather have Matthew Stafford

1110
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: than Sam Donald, Like I guess that's why he's that

1111
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: that high on this list. Like I I am not

1112
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,479
Speaker 1: betting on unknown upside of Gardner, Minshew or whatever over

1113
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: or or Donald over Old Maddie Stafford. But would you

1114
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: take Stafford? Would you take Stafford over Baker? That's a

1115
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: tough one. I think about how many ascendant guys though

1116
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: there are in the league. All of a sudden between Darnald,

1117
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen, the synesis, always sprays the ball

1118
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: around too much. As I always say, if Cam Newton

1119
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: and Ben Roethlisberger had a baby, it would be Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: They it's the same skills as those two guys. Inaccuracy

1121
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: is not an end all. You have no chance of

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01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: succeeding in the NFL if you lack act. Roethlisberger came

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01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: into the league one of the best deep off throwers

1124
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Josh Allen couldn't is the worst. So

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01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it is. Maybe Cam Newton is half,

1126
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: but the other half. It's like maybe the brain shout

1127
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: of Tyler Thigpen and Cam Newton. You're just giving him

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: too good of a second father. What a sorry. Let's

1129
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: put a button on it, though, what let's try to

1130
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: put it? I think it might be impossible to put

1131
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: a button on this conversation. But what would be kind

1132
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: of Our big takeaway at the end of this conversation,

1133
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: is there a clear cut successor to Dalton? Maybe it

1134
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: is still Dalton. Maybe the fact that he's the backup

1135
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Cowboys doesn't change the fact that that's

1136
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: still still who it is. Like that, that's kind of

1137
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: the guy that you want to be on the right

1138
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: side of the ledger with him as the breaking play. Like,

1139
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Andy Dalton. We all decided last year

1140
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: that Dalton was still the Dalton scale. Did Andy Dalton

1141
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: get worse as a quarterback last year or was he

1142
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: just in a horrendous situation and it was time for

1143
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: him to go. I still think he's still the same guy.

1144
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: So shouldn't he still be the Dalton scale? Should the

1145
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: Dalton scale live? Ultimately? Okay, you just sold me. West

1146
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: would agree. I don't want to put words in his mouth,

1147
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: but I would think he would. He would maybe say

1148
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: the same thing. Maybe we'll ask him about that when

1149
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: he comes back. I'd say, the Bengals, I mean basically

1150
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: looked at the Dalton scale and said he's fallen below it.

1151
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: We we want something better. Finally, I mean, for me,

1152
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: if if I had to pick someone the person that

1153
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: feels right the same way that Ryan Tannehill with the

1154
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: Dolphins did a few years ago is Derek Carr. We've

1155
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: discussed it, we've gone through it. I just feel like

1156
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: that's the guy for me. I guess I will stick

1157
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: with where I went there with Ryan Tannehill because to me,

1158
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: the cut off point is if everything breaks right around

1159
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: this guy, can you see him hoisting a Lombardi Trophy.

1160
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill was thirty minutes and a few seconds away

1161
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: from getting to Miami a year ago, so he we

1162
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: know he's that guy. Jared Goff is that guy. Um,

1163
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: I have my doubts about a number of guys below that,

1164
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: and uh, but yeah, it's an interesting it's really only

1165
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look at how many names I have here.

1166
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: There may be ten names that right now I wouldn't say, like, yeah,

1167
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: they're there. They don't win in the Super Bowl. I think, uh,

1168
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: I think we're sixteen games away from Teddy Bridgewater having

1169
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: like an Alex Smith in Kansas City like season and

1170
01:02:53,800 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: saying it's like the Teddy Bridge quarterback over Chad Waters line.

1171
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it. I don't know

1172
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: that he could be the guy we need a little more. Yes,

1173
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: so we did a few more starts that he is

1174
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: the guy to keep an eye on. Alright, good conversation, guys,

1175
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: before we go, before we say goodbye, it is time

1176
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: to revisit the Wheel of teams. Yes, what is the

1177
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: wheel of teams? We decided check. I know you are

1178
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: a every show listener to the news to you, but

1179
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: we have decided, in the time of a pandemic, in

1180
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: the deep off season, with no spring activities, that we're

1181
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna start devoting our Wednesday show in part to a

1182
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: single team. We we track down one of the best

1183
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: beat writer or coverage people, we talked to them, and

1184
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: then we all do a study and then really break

1185
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: down that particular team. It's started when the wheels spun

1186
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 1: for the first time with Arizona Cardinals. And yes, there

1187
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: are concerns Mark Seessler into Earnally at NFL Media that

1188
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: when we put the ask out to the graphic team

1189
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: that they accidentally did not randomize it, so it landed

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01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals with the first team because they're the

1191
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: first in the alphabet, which would make the Atlanta Falcons

1192
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: the team that will land on in week two. That

1193
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: is what we're hoping to avoid, Mark, but we're gonna

1194
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: find out right now. One of the reasons there was concerned,

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01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, check we all guest which team it would

1196
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: land on, and I randomly, with no nothing behind it,

1197
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: just guests the Arizona Cardinals. And we thought, well, that's

1198
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: a nice little moment, and we thought, wait, if this

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Speaker 1: is going alphabetically, we're in big trouble. So we're about

1200
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: to find out. I think we should do we want

1201
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: to predict again? Or well, do you want to avoid that?

1202
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you okay, Dave? I'm so excited

1203
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: that your respiratory system is I don't have the nineteen.

1204
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. I'm gonna predict in honor of

1205
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: Hansom Hank the London Monarchs. All right, let's set it.

1206
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's swing, Let's spin the wheel, Ricky, let

1207
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: loose right and spinning is landing on? Oh this is

1208
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: exciting new Wow like that. We haven't talked about that

1209
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: that much. It's funny. In the post Eli era, they've

1210
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: been more under the radar than they've ever been on

1211
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: this show. So they're a good team to talk about.

1212
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: That's great. Big Blue will be the subject, and we

1213
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: will put our heads together and figure out who is

1214
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: a good outside source to bring onto the show and

1215
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: try to reel them in to talk a little Giants

1216
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: football as they begin spaghetti. How about that with l Jones,

1217
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: high gods all the way, idea we'll get talk on Wednesday.

1218
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe we didn't touch on Tyrod Taylor. Who's

1219
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: got who perhaps is on the best roster? Uh? Below it?

1220
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,959
Speaker 1: That's I can't hear Tyrod Taylor because I was thinking,

1221
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: what if the Chargers come up here and we didn't

1222
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: even talk about Tyrod? There. I'll see you guys when

1223
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: it's time for for the Steelers. One, yes, that sounds good.

1224
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: David and and Kirk Cousins didn't come up in that

1225
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: conversation either, which was a bit of an upset. But

1226
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So the Giants will be the subject on

1227
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: on Wednesday or Thursday. Excuse me, on our Thursday show.

1228
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: We have a little bit of a different schedule because

1229
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: of the holiday Memorial Day on Monday. Uh Dave, damascheck

1230
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: you you've said it all. You came in and uh

1231
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: as you always have and you always will. You brought

1232
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: high energy and great analysis and as the originator of

1233
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: mirth at NFL Media, we we thank you as always

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01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: for bringing that as well. Don't you patronize me, No,

1235
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate it. Over the moon for you

1236
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: guys with with the ongoing success, keep it going and

1237
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: uh muzzle tav of course to uh to weston Lakisha

1238
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: over the moon times ten for them, thank you, thank you,

1239
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: all right, and yes we will talk to West on Thursday.

1240
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: So another exciting thing to look forward to. All right.

1241
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: That's it, Dan hands a signing off for Quiet Storm.

1242
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: The old Boss shack Check Republic is gonna be plugged

1243
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: in on today's show. That's another reason to be excited. Everybody,

1244
01:07:19,320 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening until Thursday. Yes,