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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with the one and

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Speaker 1: only Beau Martinic. All Right, folks, welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. You

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Speaker 1: guessed it. This is not Mark Kenyon's voice. It's your

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Speaker 1: old backup quarterback, Tony. Mark is off. I guess you

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Speaker 1: could say, fighting the good fight with his friend Spencer.

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Speaker 1: They are actually in West Hollywood, but probably not for

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Speaker 1: any of the reasons you're thinking. West Hollywood happens to

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Speaker 1: be where ticket Master's headquarters are located. The boys are

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Speaker 1: out there protesting that company after sitting in a virtual

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Speaker 1: queue for like fifteen hours only to not get tickets

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Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift's new tour. I know it's a shame.

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Speaker 1: I know those guys are big, big fans of hers,

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Speaker 1: and I hope the picketing and they're harshly worded signs

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Speaker 1: will do them some good and they get their tickets.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of doing you some good, I have Beau

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Speaker 1: Martonic on this episode to talk about public land hunting

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Speaker 1: in the late season. You know bo is Aware to

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Speaker 1: Hunt contributor. He's a podcast host and he's a Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: native who devotes a stupid amount of time to mountain

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Speaker 1: bucks that anyone can theoretically hunt, but very few kill

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Speaker 1: like he does. But whether you're a public land hunter

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Speaker 1: yourself or have something a little more cushy for your

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Speaker 1: late season endeavors, this show is just full of good advice.

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Speaker 1: Martonic is one of the best hunters out there, and

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Speaker 1: it's safe to say if you listen to this all

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Speaker 1: the way through, you'll pick up a thing or two

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Speaker 1: at least that you could put to good use on

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Speaker 1: a buzzer beater book no matter where you live or hunt.

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Speaker 1: How are you, buddy, good talk to you again, Dude,

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Speaker 1: you're looking skinny. Nothing nothing, you weren't skinny before? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I uh, I just I actually just got back from

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Speaker 1: the gym because this is my first week back in it,

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Speaker 1: and I am one of those people that I try

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Speaker 1: every year to stay in the gym and working out

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Speaker 1: during hunting season, and it's just traveling back and forth

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Speaker 1: and try to get work done in between. Wasn't working

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Speaker 1: and um, yeah, I lost about I think it was

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Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen pounds since uh late August when when

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Speaker 1: I kind of started my my trips out west and

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Speaker 1: then white tail hunting. So yeah, I'm I'm definitely looking

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Speaker 1: a little skinny cheeseburger. Man. Uh, this is not what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about on this podcast, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about it a little bit. When when you yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know you you you've worked out for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Is it like, is it something for you where you're like,

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm going elk hunting every year, so I

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Speaker 1: gotta stay in shape for it, or was it something

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Speaker 1: even before maybe you started traveling to hunt where you're

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Speaker 1: just like it was sort of a part of your life.

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Speaker 1: It's always been a part of my life. Like that's

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Speaker 1: been something since high school when I was in sports,

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Speaker 1: and then even in college when I had no real

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Speaker 1: reason to do it. I just like I like working out.

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Speaker 1: I feel good when I do it, and I just

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Speaker 1: when I have like a routine of just doing it

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Speaker 1: every day, Like it's even say something little like my

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Speaker 1: my workouts have changed. I went through different I guess

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Speaker 1: different parts of my life where there's parts where I

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Speaker 1: got in a real high intensity stuff and like just

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Speaker 1: beating yourself down every day, and I realized that wasn't

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Speaker 1: really sustainable. And my goal is just like I want

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Speaker 1: in my sixties seventies, and I just want to I

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Speaker 1: of the mentality I've had. But definitely elk hunting and

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Speaker 1: stuff gives me a little more motivation when I'm not

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Speaker 1: feeling like it to to make myself do something, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's that's kind of the way that that I look

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Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, it's uh, I mean people use different reasons,

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Speaker 1: do it. And it's like, man, that's great. But if

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Speaker 1: like things change, and it's it's tough to do, but

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Speaker 1: and and just enjoying life. Like just in general, I

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Speaker 1: feel so much better. I have more energy when I'm

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Speaker 1: all the time. Once you get later in the season

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Speaker 1: and you've been hunting for two months, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: all my you know white tail months or spots that

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Speaker 1: physically exerting. But at the same time, it just helps me,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it definitely does. And yeah, just like you said,

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Speaker 1: otherwise otherwise you'll be absolutely miserable if you don't go

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Speaker 1: going on? Do you? Is that what you're talking about

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Speaker 1: a little bit here where you're like, I'm coming into this,

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Speaker 1: getting forced to go find him anyway. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: that powder ignites it, it's not the same time it's

431
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: going to go off every time. And maybe there's there's

432
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 1: probably better ones out there than I have that do

433
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: fire the same every time, but it's just you know,

434
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: if it's wet or sometimes it doesn't go off, and

435
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to flinch. And it's always been like, uh,

436
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: clean miss or perfect shot. And that's kind of how

437
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: how that that has been with it, And that's that's

438
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: how I struggle. So let's let's take the clean miss

439
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: versus the perfect shot. Was it like, do you remember

440
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: the difference being tied to the delay in the fire? Yeah? Yeah, definitely,

441
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: Like and that's where I've been practicing as far as

442
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: trying to understand that you just gotta get a hold

443
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: hold even when you got this flash of flame in

444
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: your eyes, that which is hard to just continue holding

445
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 1: because sometimes you have that flash and then it'll still

446
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: take a little bit before it goes off and uh yeah,

447
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 1: that's it's the people that do the flint lock stuff

448
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: is I mean, I have a lot of respect for

449
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: them that that do it every year, and I think

450
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool um to do that. But I'm going

451
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna have two different strategies for that late season.

452
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: One is if we get a lot of to know,

453
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: do some tracking um, and then other than that kind

454
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: of stand sitting like like I would if I was,

455
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, using a bow at that time of year.

456
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: So those are the kind of like the two different

457
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: approaches to it. Are you are you hunting those doughs

458
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 1: in the same places you're hunting these bucks in the mountains? Are?

459
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: And p A, yeah what what? So? This is this

460
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: is something we struggle with all the time because when

461
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: you talk about late season advice, it always defaults to

462
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: the food sources, right, you know, get on the cut

463
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: corn and get on the brassicas whatever. But there's so

464
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: many situations out there with people who are like I

465
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: don't have you know, I'm out in public land, I

466
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: don't have a Brassica food plot, right, So what what

467
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: are your dear you like you you're gonna go out

468
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: there with that primitive weapon. You're gonna hunt these places.

469
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: You scout a lot for bucks. What are those doughs

470
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna be keying on? So it's a lot of woody brows. So,

471
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, especially if there's if there's leftover acorns, that

472
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: will be that's definitely a hot, hot ticket item. But

473
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: if there's not, it's a lot of woody brows so,

474
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: and a lot of clear cuts. Um really targeting the

475
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: younger cuts, even some that are freshly being logged. You know,

476
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: even if there's skinners still in there. Those deer will

477
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: come out before dark and start working the edges and

478
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: then as those people go home for the night, they

479
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: work their way into the rest of the cut and

480
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: eating the tops. Um. So, a lot of those brows.

481
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: If the weather is really bad and it's hard for

482
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 1: them even to even dig up even black cherry seeds,

483
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: those are things, but as that gets bad, they'll even

484
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: feed on you know, hemlock and pine branches and and

485
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: mountain laurel, the twigs and stuff like. It's just it's

486
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: a lot of that browse, but also an area that

487
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of cuts or actually even in

488
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: combination of cuts is where you can find grasses. Um

489
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of natural grasses that don't have

490
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: to be you know, necessarily food plots that will be

491
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: able to do that. A lot of our creek bottom

492
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 1: systems have openings with grasses in it, and that that

493
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: tends to be you know, a little bit wetter areas.

494
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't freeze as quick so as you start getting

495
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: into January and stuff, those areas can be good. And

496
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: I've really learned that from shed hunting, where you know

497
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 1: that that where the places that I'm finding sheds on

498
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: some of those bad weather years. I tend to find

499
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: the bucks in uh in the late season as well.

500
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: But um so those are kind of the areas of

501
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: focusing on. But like the my if I could put

502
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: an ideal situation out there for you, it would be

503
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: kind of a um anywhere from a tune of five

504
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: year old clear cut that's got some briars coming up,

505
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: you know that that has like a lot of that

506
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: browse that's readily available. They're probably laying down almost in

507
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: the same spots that they're gonna get up. Um But

508
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: you're just trying to be just off it kind of

509
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: on those edit edges and being able to get them

510
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: as they come by feeding or even in the center

511
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: where you get like a log landing that has a

512
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: bunch of grasses from where they used to have a

513
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: log landing, and and then also a bunch of brows

514
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: around those areas are places that that I've learned from

515
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: a lot of it too. In addition to shed hunting,

516
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: was just tracking deer in the late season eve when

517
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have attack, just kind of following tracks and

518
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: seeing what they're doing. And uh, I've learned a lot

519
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I think you get a real crash

520
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: course on how deer actually feed when you watch them brows,

521
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: like through clear cuts and when you do the big

522
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: woods thing, and you see, just especially this time of year,

523
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: how important those soft edges are, Like you just like

524
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of change in habitat. It's it's so

525
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 1: important to them and it's so easy to overlook if

526
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: you have destination food sources that are like really reliable,

527
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: but many they teach you a lot when you watch

528
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: the mill through those clear cuts. Well I learned, I

529
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: mean just even this week, so our guns season ended

530
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: on Saturday, and then that was coincided with some cold

531
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 1: weather and some snow that we got the Sunday right

532
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: after it ended. Thankfully, I didn't have a buck tag,

533
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: so I was glad that we had a pretty terrible

534
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: rifle season weather wise. But anyways, I so I don't

535
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: have many spots that I can run like cell cameras

536
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: just because the signal for the most part. But I

537
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: do have a couple of cell cameras out and I

538
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: have them on like a hemlock, so like a conifer

539
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: edge right where it goes into a cut that had

540
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: been cut two years ago. And the last two days

541
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: has been crazy with the amount of deer movement. And

542
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: this is you know, in a lower deer density area,

543
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: but it seems like all these deer I've had more

544
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: movement on my cameras the last few days than I

545
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: did um because it's actually a good rut spot too,

546
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: but even more than I did during the rut. Um

547
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: some younger bucks moving in, a bunch of does hanging

548
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: out around that area, basically coming up into that cut

549
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: to feed um. And they've they've a lot of a

550
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: lot of clear cuts now on this I learned this

551
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: from my forestry buddy. But they'll lead of the tops

552
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: down because the and I was I almost thought, there's

553
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: just being lazy, But what I learned was it's to

554
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: help keep the deer out of the center so they

555
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: can regrow the trees. So they'll keep them kind of

556
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, laying down and make it kind of nasty

557
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: in there, but that does provide good bedding on the

558
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: edges of it, and they'll feed the edges of those

559
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: instead of going in the center of all these blowdown

560
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: or tops. They're gonna feed on those edges. And that

561
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: was something that I've that I've learned, and it really

562
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: clicked when he told me the reason for doing that

563
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: and what the intention of it was, and that's kind

564
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: of how the deer are are using it. And so

565
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: those are those are things that I really look at.

566
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: You mentioned something earlier that I wanted to touch on

567
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: when you said if there were acorns left. You know

568
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: that's that's a big draw, do you guys out there,

569
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: because we get this big time. It's one of my

570
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: favorite late season things. If I if I have the

571
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: opportunity where if you've got to mix a white and

572
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: red oaks, and you know, they're clean up those white

573
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: oaks in October whenever they're falling, and then they kind

574
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: of if they have enough good food. And I've even

575
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: seen this up in northern Wisconsin and some or central

576
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: I should say, where it's kind of big woods ish

577
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: where they won't target those red okay corns nearly as

578
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: much until it gets to like December and we get

579
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: a foot of snow on the ground, and then the

580
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: turkeys and the deer and everybody's like, well, I guess

581
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: we better get back to those. Is that what you're

582
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And and

583
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: also like so chest not oaks, so I in October,

584
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: it'd be hard pressed to find a deer to even

585
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: pick up a chest not oak acorn. You know, they

586
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: just don't like it. And and as as my buddy Kenny,

587
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: my forestry buddy, calls them the sheets hot dog of

588
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: the deer woods. So if you're if you're from eastern

589
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, the Eastern United States, the sheets gas station

590
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: that are going up, it's like, okay, you'd prefer the

591
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: flame and yon, which is the white oak, but the

592
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: sheets hot dog is kind of your last resort, like

593
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: you got you gotta eat, Okay, I'm gonna stop in here,

594
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: real quick, I'm gonna hit the touch screen, I'm gonna

595
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: order it. I'm gonna have my hot dog and in

596
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: a short amount of time. And that's kind of the

597
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: way looking at Chestnut oaks, which there seemed to be

598
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: a good um crop of those, even in West Virginia

599
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: where I was at, and and in Pennsylvania versus even

600
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: the Reds this year, so that was that's interesting. But

601
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: this this is the time of year when they might

602
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: start hitting that versus um, you know, earlier, when they

603
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: have better food available, They're gonna they're gonna pick that.

604
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: You know, do you do you feel because I'm trying

605
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to look at this stuff, like what

606
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: what are the positives that we have going on? Because

607
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: we we always focus on the negatives, right, you know,

608
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: like it's too hot or it's too windy, or the

609
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: full moon or whatever bullshit, or there's too many people out.

610
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at late season hunting,

611
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: I I don't maybe you disagree, but I think it's

612
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: the hardest hunting of the season. Just generally, Like I've

613
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 1: never had like really like awesome ladies. It's always been

614
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: a kind of a grind. I've had good hunts, but

615
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: it's it's work. So you know, like looking at that,

616
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: I go, Okay, what's the benefit? And I know for me,

617
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot of competition out there,

618
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: And it feels like a part of the season where

619
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: you can sort of just work the deer and and

620
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: not think about constantly like who's coming in to hunt

621
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: this spot or how many people are gonna be out

622
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: there on the weekends. And I feel like you get

623
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: a pretty decent advantage that way over the rest of

624
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: the season if you're a public land hunter, and I

625
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: think maybe that doesn't get a whole lot of credit. Yeah, yeah,

626
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: you're you're spot on, And there's there's a couple of

627
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: things I look at with that and as an advantage,

628
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: because like you said, there are a bunch of disadvantages

629
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: that we don't need to to harp on. It's hard.

630
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: It's hard hunting late season, the weather just dear being pressured.

631
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: But as you get later on, they start acting like

632
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: deer again. It's they start acting like deer supposed to

633
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: and they're not you know, they might even come out

634
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: and feed on those acorns um an hour and a

635
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: half two hours before it gets dark, rather than barely

636
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: coming out of that cover at the last minute, if

637
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: at all, you know, and when there's more pressure. But

638
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, even in a heavily hunted state like Pennsylvania,

639
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't see too many people out other than maybe, uh,

640
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: the occasional guy walking around with a with a muzzleloader.

641
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of pressure, so you can

642
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: find you can get away from people a lot easier

643
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Uh. And if you're willing to grind

644
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: it out through the weather and everything else, that's kind

645
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: of dealing with it. There's a lot of opportunities not

646
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: to mention that, you know, there's not any vegetation on

647
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: the trees now. The bedding cover, even in areas that

648
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: are all look like bedding cover, are narrowed down, and

649
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, and and if you if you're getting in

650
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: some nasty weather, say you're getting you know, temperatures ten

651
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: fifteen degrees depending on where you're at, like that's now,

652
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna they want to be closer to that food.

653
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: So you find some cover that's close to that food.

654
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: They're probably betting in that area, and you might even

655
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: be able to set up a little bit more of

656
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: an open spot um with you know, just some briers

657
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: around or whatever that's you know, right there available and

658
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: not not overthink it like you like you have to.

659
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: And times of the year when there's there's more pressure. Yeah,

660
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: and that's a good point. And there there's something else too.

661
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's a little bit different out where

662
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: you live, but I know that a lot of the

663
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: places I hunt, some of the best geothermal cover you're

664
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: gonna find in an entire county is going to all

665
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: be public land. Like if you take some of this

666
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: egg heavy stuff, you know, like some of the stuff

667
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: that I hunted for one week in November in Minnesota here,

668
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's flat prairie egg everywhere type of stuff.

669
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: And if it can be farmed, it's gonna be farmed,

670
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be private. And if it can't be farmed,

671
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: it might be public. And so all of the you know,

672
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: willow creek bottoms and freaking cattails, slews and these little

673
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: bands of timber that are just like in these places

674
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: that they can't run a plow through. Those you know

675
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: might look at them and go, well, yeah, there's people

676
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: peasant hunting the neurial of time or deer hunting. They're

677
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: all guns season well now when most people are kind

678
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: of out of the woods, those places offer those deer

679
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: the best cover. So they might have been riding it

680
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: out in a private fence line or a little homestead

681
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: or something for much of the season, or a CRP field,

682
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: and now they need real geo thermal cover and in

683
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: so many different places the best cover available to them

684
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: will be public. Yeah, and and and I've also I've

685
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: all always thought that you needed like the really thick,

686
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, geothermal cover basically that to hold those deer,

687
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: to keep the wind block. But what I've learned is

688
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: even mature hamlock and pine forest that may cover a

689
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: side hill or creect bottom or whatever it is, it

690
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: offers such a blanket over the top. You know, I've

691
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: noticed it by just dropping milkweed. So like in and

692
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: earlier in the season, I like those bots because it's

693
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: very dependent that if I dropped my if I dropped

694
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: my milkweed, it's gonna run downhill no matter even what

695
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: time of day it is. Because it blocks out the

696
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: sun as much it keeps it cool. But as you

697
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: get in a late season, it actually does the opposite

698
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: and you start seeing it coming up, which means it's

699
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: a little warmer in there. You might not you as

700
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: a person might not be able to feel it as much,

701
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: but that's offering that wind break, that's offering a little

702
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: bit of warmth extra for those deer. So anything with

703
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: with that, with having like the conifers and having that

704
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: thermal cover, uh, that's you know, you butt that up

705
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: against food. And when I say food as far as

706
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: like good brows or whatever, man like, those are those

707
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: are the spots that I'm that that get me excited

708
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to the late season. Yeah, I don't.

709
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: I think that we are really disconnected from like an

710
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: awareness of those spots out there, because I noticed, like we,

711
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, we do so much late season pheasant hunting

712
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: and we jump deer all the time, doing it right,

713
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: like all the freaking time, and it's almost always like,

714
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, the wind's blowing thirty miles an hour, so

715
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, the pheasants are probably gonna stack up

716
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: here or there or whatever, and you know, you get

717
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: out it's brutal, brutal cold, and you get into some

718
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: of these spots where you jump a good buck right

719
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: next to you, and it's almost always one of those

720
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: places where you didn't even notice it, but you got

721
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: in there and it was way calmer, and you immediately

722
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: felt way warmer, and there was like all these little

723
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: advantages to those spots that if you were just standing

724
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: there looking at this land, or especially if you're scrolling

725
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: over at looking at aerial photography, like you wouldn't probably

726
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: get this because it's you know, it's like two situationally

727
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: variable right, Like you're not it's not zero degrees when

728
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: you're looking at it, you're not standing out there in wins.

729
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: But you get into him and you go, this is

730
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: this makes so much sense why he was here, And

731
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: I think that stuff so valuable. Oh yeah, it is

732
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: so valuable. And it's it's for example, like Ohio is

733
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: one of those states that runs a very late season

734
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: that you know goes from you know, all runs all

735
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: into February, I believe. And I remember years ago I

736
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: was working in Ohio and I just used this, I'm like,

737
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hunt lay season. I've hunted Ohio during

738
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: the a lot, which is super busy on on public

739
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: land anymore, and that late season, I didn't run into

740
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: a single person, and I was not using my normal

741
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: rules of thumb of trying to stay away from city areas,

742
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, population. It was in a very populated area.

743
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't run into anybody that was out there. And

744
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: you know places like that that have still have they

745
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: have big deer every year, but they have a lot

746
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: of hunting pressure makes it a a little bit difficult during

747
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: some of the prime times. But you can take advantage

748
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: of that later on. Or if you say you did

749
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: go on that rout trip and you didn't fill your tag,

750
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: you can go back and in late season and you know,

751
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: with with some leg work and getting around, especially if

752
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: you have snow. That's gonna tell you right now kind

753
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: of where they're spending their time. And uh, I think

754
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a big advantage to that. And

755
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: I do a lot of um the week after Christmas

756
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: here we have a snowshoe hair hunting and I like,

757
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: I love going out doing that. It's just fun to me.

758
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: And a lot of places they live in or some

759
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: of those cuts and I'm always just blowing deer out

760
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: and uh, and that that's that taught me a lot

761
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: kind of with with where they were living at at

762
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: that time. Man, I'll tell you what, if you want

763
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: to become a good big woods hunter, you go out

764
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: and sneak around and try to shoot snowshoe hairs. So fun.

765
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean not not only for just training your eye.

766
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you get those days where they're out sunning,

767
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, because they don't they don't go underground like

768
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: a cotton tail will like there. They're a different thing.

769
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: And you get those times where they're out like sun

770
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: and in the afternoon and you see them sitting on

771
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: the edge of a you know, the edge of the

772
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: conifers or something, but it's always like an edge, like

773
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: they're always in those places where it's like the clear

774
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: cut met the evergreens or whatever. And the deer always

775
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: there too. Yep. That's yeah, you're and and it's not

776
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: to get off topic with it, but they're fun to

777
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: hunt because they just do big circles. They they're just

778
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: fun to hunt because hunting any kind of rabbit is

779
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: is fun. Yeah, And I've never done it so and

780
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: I'd love to do it with dogs sometimes, so I

781
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: just I'm basically the dog and the hunter at the

782
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: same time as I'm going and doing it. But it's

783
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch them. And you're right, they live

784
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: in those same places a lot of the edges of

785
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: of the hemlocks and the clear cuts, you know, speaking

786
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: specifically in Pennsylvania, and they just you know, kind of

787
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: go around and and and do big loops there. But

788
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: I've learned so much about deer and I also use

789
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: it to scout new places for deer uh and and

790
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: I've found some of my best deer hunting spots by

791
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: hunting snowshoe hair. So man, I think, you know, maybe

792
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: this is a topic for a different one, but maybe

793
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: it is actually a good late season topic. Is when

794
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: you go try to run rabbits or hairs, or you

795
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: do some squirrel hunting, or we used to do a

796
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: lot of gross hunting in January when or when Wisconsin

797
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: kept their season open through January. The amount of antlers

798
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: you find and the amount of stuff you run across,

799
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: and the rub lines that are laid bare, it is

800
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: such a valuable time to be out there. And I

801
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: think that, you know, we we preach a big game

802
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: about winter scouting, right, but I think a lot of

803
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: people don't really buy into it. Like they don't either,

804
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, like it just gets to be that time

805
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: of year. They maybe they like the idea, but I

806
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people are out there like

807
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: really winter scouting. But if you can find an excuse

808
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: to be out there, that's a hell of a lot

809
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: of fun, like chase and snowshoe hairs, do it. It'll

810
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: help everything. Yeah, at that point that you know, sometimes

811
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: I get tired of sitting in the tree, you know,

812
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: and when you can go around and do something that's

813
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: different than deer hunting and and uh walk around me.

814
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: My favorite thing to do is scouting. So like as

815
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: you're combining a couple of those different things, it's uh,

816
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of fun and and you

817
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: can honestly with you know, even if you are hunting

818
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: deer in that late season and a lot of a

819
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: lot of times you're going to be at least I

820
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time walking versus the actual sitting

821
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to find where those deer hanging out at.

822
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not putting all day sits in or anything.

823
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: It's not they're not moving it all day. Maybe a

824
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: little bit within their bedroom there, but it's hard to

825
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: get close without any cover, without any leaves or anything

826
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: on the trees at that time of year. So I

827
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: think that's a a's super valuable. You and I talked

828
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: about it all the time, but that that winter, that

829
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: winter scouting is is critical, uh to being able to

830
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: help you out. And you know, and as we just

831
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: talked about earlier with struggling based off that historical data

832
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: that you find. But to put it this way is

833
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: like that gives you a really good starting point and

834
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: places to be able to check and see if it's hot.

835
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: You know. That's that's how I look at it, Yeah,

836
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: for sure. And I mean having those spots that are

837
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: sort of historically good, figuring those out from year to

838
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: year helps you. And you know, if one of them

839
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: goes cold because a bunch of people move in or something,

840
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: finding another one gets a little easier if you've already

841
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: found one in your life, you know. But I think

842
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the the small game thing

843
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: and the winter scouting thing a little bit more because

844
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: I think when you know, when we talk about this stuff,

845
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times we paint this picture of like, Okay,

846
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: you're winter scouting, You're you're going out, you're looking for

847
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: giant beds in the swamp, you're looking for rubs, you know,

848
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: if there's no snow, you're looking for scrapes, whatever last

849
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: year's sign. But we are like super predictable, Like humans,

850
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: how we enter the woods and where we walk and

851
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: how we like to walk through the woods were super predictable.

852
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: And when you go with a different purpose in mine,

853
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: if you're like, I'm gonna go find some snowshoe hairs

854
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not out here just to scout, dear, You're

855
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: gonna go where you think those snowshoe hairs are gonna be,

856
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: and it probably take you into different little spots than

857
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: a pure scouting mission would. And I think I think

858
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: some of that stuff is maybe like the undermost underrated

859
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: aspect of becoming better at figuring out a deer. Yeah. No,

860
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: And and no matter how much you do it or

861
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: how long you've done it, you do get predictable. I

862
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: mean I get predictable, especially in spots that I feel

863
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: like I know from hunting it for so long. You start,

864
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: you park the same place as you walk the same

865
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: way in, or you might be like, oh, I have

866
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: a destination to get to before you start scouting. But

867
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: once you once you're you know, doing something different, Like

868
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: when I'm hunting snowshoes, I'm basically hunting them from the

869
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: time I'm off the road, especially if there's you know,

870
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: cuts right there or whatever. And it might be a

871
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: spot that I'm like, oh, there's gonna be people there

872
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: for you know, deer season, and I overlook in my

873
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: own head. But then you figure out like, oh, this

874
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: is actually everybody's overlooking it, and you bump some deer,

875
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: you find some sign in there, and whether you actually

876
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: throw a hunt at it or you just set up

877
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: a trail camera and learn like, there's there's so much

878
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: value in that. And and that's that's why I mean,

879
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: even when I'm not small game hunting, when i'm you know,

880
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: shed hunting or winter scouting or whatever and just walking

881
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: whatever you learn, you learn ton because you know, when

882
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm actively hunting, a lot of the times,

883
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're thinking about the wind you don't

884
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: want to blow, and deer out you don't want you know,

885
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you do where when

886
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: you're not hunting, you don't think about those things, and

887
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: you can find some pretty cool spots yeah, I mean

888
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I think there is. I think maybe the biggest benefit

889
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: of winter scouting is just simply because you're not that

890
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: concerned with what happened, you know, like you just you

891
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: can go scored stirth a little bit and and look

892
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: at some stuff. But I also think, you know, like

893
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I know, not a lot of people are gonna listen

894
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: to this and go snowshoe hair hunting to get better

895
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: at deer hunting. But I'll tell you, we had my buddies,

896
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: and I had some years where we hit them hard

897
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: like we we would, you know, And and obviously it

898
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: was tied to some grouse hunting and some contentails whatever

899
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: we're but but the snowshoe thing was always kind of

900
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: a novelty to us because we never grew up with that.

901
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget some of the some of the

902
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: public land spots at bow Hunt, you know, they got

903
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: they have snowshoe hairs in them. So we've in there

904
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: and you know, you you picture like a older growth conifers,

905
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: like you've got a bunch of pine trees that maybe

906
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: we're planted or whatever, and then you've got that clear

907
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: cut next to it, and you think about like a

908
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: two year old clear cut, and you're like, you're not

909
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: gonna walk through there. You're gonna walk the edge, and

910
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: the snow shoes are gonna be somewhere, you know, the

911
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: hairs are gonna be somewhere there. But then you get

912
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: like that five year old clear cut or six seven

913
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: year old clear cut that's like starting to get some

914
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: trees in it and some space, and you know, so

915
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: you put it. You put somebody on the edge of

916
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: the pines and that clear cut, and then you cut

917
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: in fifty yards into that clear cut where you might

918
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: not have gone in there if you were just walking

919
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: through there, because it's a hell of a lot easier

920
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: to stay in those pine trees. And now you're looking

921
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: at a different forest, like you're looking at something that's

922
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: security cover everywhere and brows everywhere and bedding cover, and

923
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: you go, there's a different vibe to this than even

924
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: that edge, and then definitely than that open pine tree.

925
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, desert that's like a hundred yards away from me,

926
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff is like it's not even

927
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: like an intentional way to get out of your comfort zone.

928
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: It's just doing something else. And then going where the

929
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: deer have already figured out they want to be and

930
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: you can learn so much. Yeah, I mean, think about

931
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: when you walk the edge of like a cut like

932
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: you're talking about with the conifers on one side, and

933
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: you look in you kind of just see a wall

934
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: of trees. You know, you just even if it's not

935
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: even if it's starting to get some space. But once

936
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: you get in there and you look, you can kind

937
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: of picture how you know, you might find a bed

938
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: in there and you're like, holy cow, he can lay here.

939
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: I can't see him from the outside, but he's watching

940
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: me walk that edge. Even like just flipping your roles

941
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: as far as that that point of view can change,

942
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: can change things a lot. And you know, like when

943
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: I feel like, like you know, we talk about you know,

944
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: bucks like liking edges and bedding on those edges, but

945
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: sometimes that doesn't mean right on that edge too. It

946
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: can be in a little bit but where they can

947
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: see that that edge out there in front of them,

948
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: And that's what that what I've found in And And

949
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: also you know, talk to a bunch people, um, you know,

950
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: growing up hunting, these types areas like all those big

951
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: box living those those big those big thickets, you know,

952
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: they live in those thickets, well, they might not be

953
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: in that direct center of it. They might just be

954
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: in a little bit. And you find that by being

955
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: able when you're hunting hairs or whatever else by doing it,

956
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: and I spend time in the winter, I'll walk every

957
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: not literally every square inch, but you know, every forty

958
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: fifty yards through those cuts and kind of go back

959
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: and forth and learn how they're using them, because not

960
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: not every cut or every or every thicket is treated

961
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: the same from the deer. And there might be something

962
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: that you're not picking up on from an aial photograph

963
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: that you have to get in there and see it. Yeah,

964
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: I think I think some of the hardest ground to

965
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: really scout with aerial is that big wood stuff where

966
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: you're dealing with clear cuts, because it's it looks like

967
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: such mono habitat you know so often from satellite imagery,

968
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: and then you get in there and you realize how

969
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: much is going on, and then you know, like you're

970
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, it's like I always picture those

971
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: spots like there's an access, you know, if you have

972
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: that older growth for us, and then you have the

973
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: clear cuts like you're already talking about, like two layers

974
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: from the easy access, and it might be a situation

975
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: where there are only two yards from where everybody parks,

976
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter because they're they're back in that

977
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: security cover and they know it. And we always kind

978
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: of get it in our head that you know, all

979
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: the public land got hunted so hard by the gun

980
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: hunters and it's gonna be all blown out. They're all

981
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: gonna be on the private place down the road that

982
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: only hunts trophies or whatever. And then you go out

983
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: right now and you see all the sign that's out there,

984
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: and you find those beds and you jump those deer,

985
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: and you go, no, no, no no. They rowed this out

986
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: right here where they got hunted hard every single day,

987
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: and they just figured out how to make it through.

988
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: And it might be as simple as being the first

989
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: layer into that clear cut. Well I learned it this year.

990
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: Um during gun season. They had some buddies up hunting

991
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: with me, and and I was putting on some couple

992
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: man like bump drives going through some of these areas

993
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: and the you know, not finding deer. It was it

994
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: was difficult, Like man, they're you know normally here, but

995
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: what I you know, I was like all right, let

996
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: me just do like I would see, like a little

997
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: group of blowdowns. It might only be sixty yards for me,

998
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna do another a little sweep through there

999
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: and see and all of a sudden you jump a

1000
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: dough up, or you might jump a small buck or

1001
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And they're so used to that pressure

1002
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: that they'll just lay down and they're not They're just

1003
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: not moving unless you're almost stepping on them. Literally, And

1004
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: you have to be super close because you know, when

1005
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: it comes to gun season and you go in there

1006
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: and you start hearing the shots and and there's all

1007
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: this stuff going, You're like, how do these deer make it?

1008
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: But every year I'm getting deer, you know, getting a

1009
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: little older. You know these five years, always six years,

1010
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: already seven years old. I'm like, this area is funt

1011
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: a hard is He's not you know, he's not going

1012
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: to another county during this time. He's finding some good,

1013
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: good places to hide, and it's trying to figure out

1014
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: where those little places to hide. And sometimes it's not

1015
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: not even what you what you think there was. I

1016
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: remember finding a shed uh off a buck I was

1017
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: hunting years ago. I found it Christmas Eve so it

1018
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: was he dropped early. And but where it was laying

1019
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: in a bed, and this bed was on there was

1020
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: kind of a swampy big woods area, pretty flat, and

1021
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: there was one little tiny group of trees like a

1022
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: triple cherry tree, and it was all kind of open

1023
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: swamping this around there, and there was a blown down

1024
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: log that was there and he was laying right up

1025
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: against it, and he could watch this access trail that

1026
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: went by. And it was a spot that I never

1027
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: thought of. I didn't even think it was enough cover

1028
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: to hold a deer there, and I wouldn't doubt that

1029
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: he didn't lay there. A lot of times when you

1030
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: walked out to the trail, you couldn't see where he

1031
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: was laying at. But you got to where his bed

1032
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: was and looked out, it's like, okay, he had he

1033
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: had an advantage here. And that that that taught me

1034
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, think about think about I mean,

1035
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen very often, but think about the time

1036
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: was when you've been on a stand and watched the

1037
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: deer walking that bedded down and you're like, that deer's

1038
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: forty seven yards away from me right there, and if

1039
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: you look away and you look back, you're like, oh,

1040
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: let's go on, and then the ear flicks and you go, oh,

1041
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: it's it never moved. I mean, and that's a deer

1042
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: that you have every advantage over possible because you watched

1043
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: it walk in there. And then now you think about

1044
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: the average person walking through the woods, and there's a

1045
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: deer that's better than a blowdown like that, with every

1046
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: advantage in the world. Yeah, like they're they're so safe

1047
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: from most people, it's not even funny. Yeah, oh yeah.

1048
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: And and and as you're walking, think about as you're walking,

1049
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: you're looking, you look at something for a short period

1050
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: of time. It's you know, even if you're pretty good

1051
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: at still hunting and walking through, you're not You're not

1052
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: staring at a spot for three minutes. You know, you're

1053
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of glazing over things as you go unless

1054
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: you catch that ear flicker at that time or you

1055
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: catch that antler at that time. There's a lot of

1056
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: times that you know, even the most seasoned people walk

1057
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: past deer that they don't even see. And and when

1058
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: they're used to that pressure there that they know how

1059
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: to how to handle it, especially if they get to

1060
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: an older age, like they're not they're not dumb about it.

1061
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: Just because there's a ton of pressure doesn't mean that

1062
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: they're all dead like that. They figure it out. Yeah, well,

1063
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you this because that kind

1064
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: of reminds me of something I wanted to bring up. Um,

1065
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're hunting for years and years and years,

1066
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania was like sort of the gold standard for pressure, right,

1067
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it still is, and you know,

1068
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: you hear so much. So many people say, like where

1069
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: I hunt, none of the bucks get past two and

1070
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: a half. They get killed off. And I've heard that

1071
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: place so many places. I've hunted, so many places I've lived,

1072
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: and I've never found it to be true anywhere. Like

1073
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: I literally I'm like, there's bucks out there in the

1074
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: most heavily hunted place that are big enough for anyone

1075
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: to be pretty happy with. It's just there's not that

1076
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: many of them, and they're awful good at like not

1077
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: letting you know they're there. Yeah. Oh yeah, And it's

1078
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: it's funny, you know, with and Pennsylvania. You know, I

1079
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: I run a lot of cameras, So I got ever

1080
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: run in p a alone thirty five or forty cameras,

1081
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: maybe even uh more than that. I can't even I

1082
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: don't even know exactly what my inventory looks like. But

1083
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: I run a lot of cameras, and I bet on

1084
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: any given year, I get you know, bucks that are

1085
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: five plus, you know, years old. I bet there's eight

1086
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: or ten of them that I can find, sometimes more,

1087
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: sometimes a little bit less. But on some areas that

1088
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: are really heavily haunted, like not, I would say, like

1089
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: our rifle season, our guns season isn't as pressured as

1090
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: it used to be when I was a kid. Um,

1091
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: the there used to be a there used to be

1092
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot more deer and uh not any there wasn't

1093
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: really any big deer then. It was just higher populations

1094
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: a deer and not as many and they just they

1095
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: get kind of wiped out. But as you as the

1096
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: deer density dropped down, um, it did reduce pressure a

1097
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: little bit. But still you'll go into a spot um

1098
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: where there's people everywhere, but they're still you'll still find

1099
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: these deer in this place, like the one area I'm

1100
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: thinking of, um that I mentioned earlier with that buck

1101
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: land there, like this is a very flat, easy access

1102
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: type spot with roads everywhere, and there's always people in there.

1103
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: And guns season, but I find the biggest oldest deer

1104
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: there every year, and it's just it's even bogged with

1105
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: my mind like that, even though I've seen it before,

1106
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Like it just it boggles my mind how they do

1107
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: that and they do And I think it's just trying

1108
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: to figure out what your area looks like. You know,

1109
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: I can't give a specific situation that's going to be

1110
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: exactly relatable to somebody in Michigan or somebody in Wisconsin.

1111
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: But if you use you kind of look at that

1112
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: mindset or you think about it from the standpoint of

1113
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: all right, how how are they living, what are they doing,

1114
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: how are they working through this? And try to figure

1115
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: out what that looks like in your area. I think

1116
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: it's I think you can be surprised on what you find. Well,

1117
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I think it's just the more time you spend out there,

1118
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: and you know, if you have the chance to run

1119
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: cameras like you're talking about, or do a lot of

1120
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: shed hunting, you just figure out that there's there's a

1121
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: lot more going on out there than people give it

1122
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: credit for. It's like easy, it's really easy to be

1123
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: dismissive about, you know, like big Bucks in an area

1124
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: or overall deer population or anything like that. And it's like,

1125
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: man in in so many situations, you have more to

1126
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: work with than you think. It's just not going to

1127
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: be easy. Yeah, yeah, you're yeah, there's there's no easy

1128
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: part about that. And like I can check out, you know,

1129
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: I can, especially you know winter in the spring. The

1130
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: amount of miles I put on it in the woods

1131
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: are crazy, and there's a lot of things that just

1132
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: aren't good. Like I'm not always just all of a

1133
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: sudden going in every area and finding the best of

1134
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: the best. But you just got to keep doing it.

1135
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: It's like, what when I had um these guys hunting

1136
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: with me the other day, It's like, you know, there's

1137
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: two days of like not seeing any deer and it's like,

1138
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of see him looking at me,

1139
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: like is there any deer around here? It's like it's

1140
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: just repetition. It's just like, you know, even though that

1141
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: was different with the way we were gunn hunting, but

1142
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: it's the same way with scouting. It's just continually just

1143
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: moving and checking different places and trying to trying to

1144
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: figure it out. And you know, there's and maybe there's

1145
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: some places that are good that I'm just not recognizing it.

1146
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: But it's the more time you spend out there, obviously

1147
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna find more. And it's it's sounds super simple,

1148
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: and it kind of is, but it takes a lot

1149
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: of work too to be able to figure that out.

1150
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: And that's where I've always struggled on the late season

1151
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: side of not being able whether it was time or whatever,

1152
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: to put that in to be able to find them.

1153
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: But I think and the way I look at late

1154
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: season now, it's spending more time scouting than that actual hunting,

1155
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: which really that kind of coincides with most times of

1156
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: the year, but like spending more time scouting and finding

1157
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: where the deer are before you uh, before you set up. Essentially, Yeah,

1158
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: and I think that what you're talking out there a

1159
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: little bit with the late season hunting, I mean, one

1160
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: of the lessons that's really important there is you know

1161
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: these deer that you're hunting here now these doors you're

1162
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna go try to shoot with that flint lock. They

1163
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: maybe weren't there for a couple of weeks during rifle season.

1164
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean they may be went and hold up a

1165
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: little bit someplace else, or they might be concentrated in

1166
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: a spot now because it's some food source or something.

1167
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's another thing with the white tailed

1168
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: world that we have trouble with, is we we assume

1169
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: like a constant presence, like, well, the deer have a

1170
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: home range of this, so they they're gonna be here.

1171
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if you're hunting forty acres or eighty

1172
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: acres or something, it's like there, it's nothing for them

1173
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: not to be where you're hunting, you know. Or if

1174
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: you have one part of this big chunk of public

1175
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: that you really like, that concentration might only be there

1176
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: a week a year, and it might be because of

1177
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: those red oaks in the late season or something like that.

1178
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: And just the more time you spend out there and

1179
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: the more time you hunt now when it's the hardest,

1180
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be the more you learn that

1181
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: you've got to show any time. Like if you can

1182
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: go out there on public land and some of these

1183
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: states that get really pist pounded and you can go

1184
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: find a concentration to deer, and even if it's you're

1185
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: hunting for a scrapper or a doll or whatever, and

1186
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: you can get on those deer right now, you can't

1187
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: tell me that you're not gonna have an easier time

1188
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: next September October, you know what I mean. Like it

1189
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: all feeds into itself. But if you decide that it's

1190
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: like not worth it and don't go, then it's like

1191
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: it works the other way too. Yeah, and and and

1192
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: you made a really good point there that uh, and

1193
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to Andy May about this was like,

1194
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's very rare that you find an area

1195
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: that's good all year, like even even just like a

1196
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: general area, Like I have places that have better food

1197
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: that I know there's gonna be oak trees and if

1198
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: there's acorns, it's a better early season spot. Where I

1199
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: have spots that are have no oak trees at all

1200
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: and no mass crop that are better during the rout

1201
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: because it's more consistent as far as where the deer

1202
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: hanging out and doing that, and then late seasons a

1203
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: whole another game that might be that's more of me

1204
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: being mobile and seeing what the cuts are doing. You

1205
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: know that that changes every couple of years on finding

1206
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: good late season spots, and it's like it's it's just

1207
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: trying not getting so in tune with uh, you know,

1208
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: this is my spot and this is where I need

1209
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: to be. And if you can kind of open your

1210
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: mind up to it, I think you can can find

1211
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: success in the late season. Again, doesn't matter if you're

1212
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: hunting an old deer, if you're hunting any buck that

1213
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: comes by or any dough you know, that's I think

1214
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: it's it's just a different mindset and you and you've

1215
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: got to think too, kind of you know, on being mobile,

1216
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: being open to where they're going to be right now,

1217
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: is you might you might have to think about this

1218
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: like where are they going to be? You know, kind

1219
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: of like skate to where the puck is going to

1220
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: be type of strategy. You know that that goes for

1221
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: all year, and we sort of take it for granted.

1222
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, if it's late season, they're gonna be

1223
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: really patternable and they're gonna be on this food source

1224
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: and they're gonna bed here. And it's yes, yes, especially

1225
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: if you're if you're hunting public land and it's you know,

1226
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: if you're on a browse pattern or something that some

1227
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: kind of food source that's gonna get cleaned up, whether

1228
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: it's today or next week, and it's not you know,

1229
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: not to draw anymore that stuff is going to change

1230
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: out there, and I think it's really hard to get

1231
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: tuned into that stuff. Like I had. This happened to

1232
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: me right at the end of the Minnesota muzzleloader season.

1233
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: I had hunted, I had hunted Wisconsin, I had hunted

1234
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: southern Minnesota. A little bit got my ass kicked. I

1235
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: came home and I have permission to doll hunt this

1236
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: farm by my house here in the Cities, and I

1237
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: go out there and we have a long season here

1238
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: started November five and went till like November for the

1239
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: general gun season. Then we have sixteen days of you

1240
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: know whatever, So it's it's a long season. They get

1241
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 1: piss pounded, and this farm they hunt them so hard

1242
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: every day. There are people out there, and so when

1243
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: I talk to the landowner, he's like, yeah, you know,

1244
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: they're they're pushed out pretty good. But you know what,

1245
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I go ahead. So I go out there and kind

1246
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: of just observe first, see what's what's going on, because

1247
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: there's a pick bean field on there, and I'm like,

1248
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hunting for eight year like I want to do.

1249
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: To walk by right and I can see a group

1250
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: of like fifteen of them across the road, which they

1251
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: might as well be on Mars there. I can't hunt

1252
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: over there. It's nobody's hunting over there or whatever. And

1253
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there's all my dear. But I ended

1254
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: up having he's sitting this spot to just kind of

1255
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: observe and cover this cattail slew and some other some

1256
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: of the other better cover on there that I know

1257
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: doesn't get hunted. And the only deer I see that night,

1258
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: it's like a hundred and thirty and shade pointer gets

1259
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: up out of his bed out in these cat tails

1260
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 1: and walks right by me a d rs. I can't

1261
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: shoot him because the landowner won't let me, and so

1262
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: I have to let a late season and thirty inchrigo

1263
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: and it's yeah. I was like I saw it coming,

1264
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: and I texted him. I was like, hey, hey, bro,

1265
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: I got a really good one, and he's like nope.

1266
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, you know, it's his land whatever whatever.

1267
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: So then the only deer I see, and I'm like, man,

1268
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, this is like a place on paper should

1269
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: have everything. It's got food, it's got cover, it's got

1270
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: suburbs right next to it. So there's some sanctuary. But

1271
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: the pressure on there was enough where those deer are

1272
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: mostly gone. But that buck, who's been haunted pretty freaking hard,

1273
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: just he's got his little thing figured out there in

1274
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: that little security cover. And so I went out the

1275
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Speaker 1: next night and the landowner told me. He's like, he's like, listen,

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: if you want to shoot a little buck, go ahead,

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01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: not that one. And I'm like, are you sure, because

1278
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: if I have a little book, come on, I'm gonna

1279
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: freaking lace him. He's whatever. I go back out, get

1280
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,479
Speaker 1: into a different stand, to get back into the cover

1281
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: a little more, and I'm just like, you know, we

1282
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: have fresh snow, there's no tracks. I'm watching turkeys. I'm like,

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: I I as soon as I get into my stand,

1284
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: I can see fifteen deer, including bucks, across the road,

1285
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: all the deer that I'm hunting, And it's just like

1286
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: one of those deals where I'm like, I know they're

1287
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: gonna come back, like they'll work their way back here.

1288
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: But those deer are effectively just it's like you picked

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: them up and you put him in a place you

1290
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: can't freaking touch him anymore. And it's so wild to

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01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: see that on private and and then you go into

1292
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: public land and you think Okay, well the rifle season

1293
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: just came through here, Like yeah, it's gonna affect things,

1294
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: but they're gonna like normalize again, you know, like they're

1295
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna it's it's gonna happen. It's just like you gotta

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01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: be in tune enough to know, like, is this are

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01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: they coming back together here now that most people have

1298
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: left them alone. If they have, you're gonna have badass hunting.

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: If not, you gotta keep looking. Yeah, And I want

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: to go back to something that you said with the

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01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: pattern the pattern ability of them, So should we air

1302
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: called that the patterns they have, the patterns that you're

1303
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna buy air quotes and like, so I've gotten messages

1304
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: from people that are like newer to hunting big woods

1305
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, how many days in a row

1306
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: is this buck need to show up on camera before

1307
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: you think I should hunt them? I'm like, One, I

1308
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't I don't ever have I don't

1309
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: ever have a buck that shows up multiple days in

1310
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: a row. That just doesn't happen. And it's like a

1311
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: lot of that comes down to your intuition on you know,

1312
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: and find that sign. And that's where people can use

1313
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: trail cameras to a detriment of themselves. And I use

1314
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: a lot of trail cameras, but I don't for the

1315
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: most part, I don't even use it for that season

1316
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: other than knowing that a bus they're like, that doesn't

1317
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: that's that's past until it don't matter. The Big Woods

1318
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: is a little bit different, and there's a lot of

1319
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: other scenarios that are probably similar to this, but this

1320
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: is kind of what I'm familiar with. And you gotta

1321
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: you gotta use kind of your gut instinct when you

1322
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: see that sign of like hunting it. And just because

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: you don't see anything one day doesn't mean that, you know,

1324
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: if you're good and you didn't blow anything out, you

1325
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: can go back in there that next day and hunt

1326
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: it again. It might take a few sits before you

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01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: see anything, and that's just the nature of it. And

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01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: and uh, I just but I will say that I do.

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01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't sit the same spot like I

1330
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: do during the rut for four days in a row

1331
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: or anything a lot of times, especially if it starts

1332
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: getting again. I keep referring to, you know, bad weather,

1333
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: but they will kind of hurt up a little bit.

1334
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: So it's trying to find where the concentration a deer

1335
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: are and then and then putting yourself in the game.

1336
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: But I just I think trill cameras um can't can

1337
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: be a detriment when you're looking at big woods hunting,

1338
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 1: like you're just not you're not gonna find that pattern. Well,

1339
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: I think in general there's there's a high potential for

1340
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: misuse there and in a way to hurt yourself. But

1341
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: I think the late season two, you can you can

1342
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: get yourself into trouble thinking that you're gonna get pictures

1343
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: of them over and over and over again, and it's

1344
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: just not gonna break that way. I want to ask

1345
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: you another thing. So like when I when I told

1346
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: you that that landowner Green let me on shooting a

1347
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: scrapper or a doll. It was so freaking fun because

1348
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: I knew. I'm like, actually I knew there was a

1349
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: little buck living in this one spot. I'm like, if

1350
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: that sucker walks out, I'm gonna shoot him. And he did.

1351
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: He was the only deer that came out and I

1352
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: killed him and I was so freaking happy, a little

1353
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: three point It was awesome. Uh, But what what I

1354
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: love about that? What I love about the late season,

1355
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: especially on public Land or you know, this flintlock hunt

1356
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: you're doing, is you get to go hunt deer. It's

1357
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: not like I'm waiting for that great big buck to

1358
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: show up on camera on that scrape or whatever, or

1359
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: it's prime time and I want to just tiptoe around

1360
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: the woods and not not make the wrong move. You

1361
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: just get to carry that flint knock out there, and

1362
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: now you're hunting deer like you're just like you see

1363
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: some doughes coming through the woods. That's that's awesome. And

1364
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: I think I think we were kind of forgetting about

1365
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: that in hunting, like the trophy. The push for trophies

1366
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: is like so heavy now that people are kind of

1367
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: skipping a lot of steps to get good at hunting

1368
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: and forgetting like, yeah, okay, if you have the right

1369
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: scenario and you've worked your way into it, and you

1370
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: and that's what what blows the wind up your skirt,

1371
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: great one sixties or bust. But there's a lot of

1372
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: situations where you're just setting yourself up for a horrible

1373
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: season or a horrible hunt if your standards are just

1374
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: so out of whack with your situation. And it's so

1375
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: nice you know, when you're down to this fourth quarter,

1376
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: last couple of minutes of the fourth quarter, and you're like,

1377
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm going out on public land now for something. It's

1378
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: fun to just go hunt year. No, You're You're so right,

1379
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: And I think about this all the time, and and

1380
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: so I had, I had. Uh. I started kind of

1381
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: filming some of my hunts uh recently, and I put

1382
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: out a couple of videos this year for me self

1383
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: filming some hunts. And I went from shooting a pretty

1384
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: well one of my best books in Pennsylvania to the

1385
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: next video of me shooting this little seven pointer in

1386
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: New York that was like, you know, a year and

1387
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: a half, two year old maybe, uh. And it's like,

1388
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: how how do you have these different standards? Like I

1389
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: don't like, I'll have like really high standards in places

1390
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: if I if that's what I feel like I want

1391
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: to do, but I also want to have fun and

1392
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: like and I do have fun. Like in West Virginia

1393
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: this year, I put very high standards on on myself

1394
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: and I let some really nice bucks go that that

1395
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: um that I would have been happy with anywhere else.

1396
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: But I was like, I just wanted to shoot something

1397
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: really big there, but that doesn't mean that, you know,

1398
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: and when it comes to Pennsylvania, I've also been targeting

1399
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: older deer, especially in the last five six years. But

1400
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to late season, if I want to

1401
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: go out and have fun and shoot a scrap buck,

1402
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: I'll do that. And that's like I'm and I don't

1403
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: fault anybody that has the different mentality of like it's

1404
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: this or bust throughout the whole thing. That's just not

1405
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: where I'm at, And that doesn't seem fun to me.

1406
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: If I'm like, oh, I'm setting a hundred and sixty

1407
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: standards across the board. And then I I also like

1408
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: shooting deer and I have fun doing that, and and

1409
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: I have just as much fun shooting smaller bucks I

1410
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: do older ones. And it's it's, uh, you're you're right.

1411
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 1: You can't get caught up, and especially um when you're

1412
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: especially you when you're newer to it, Like it's one

1413
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: thing too, you know, say someone like yourself that's hunted

1414
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: for a while, and I want to challenge myself and

1415
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to hunt some big deer and that's like

1416
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: that's a new challenge for you. But when you're new

1417
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: to it, like there's nothing like repetition and and and

1418
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: getting yourself in that scenario of going back to full

1419
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: draw or pulling a gun up on something and seeing

1420
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: how your emotions react to any deer. Like that's I

1421
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: And that's you know, the way I looked at elk

1422
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 1: hunting for since I've started with it. Um, you know,

1423
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: I've been doing it now for five years, but it's

1424
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: not or maybe even six years, but it's not. I

1425
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: still feel brand new to it. Like that's to me,

1426
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to kill, you know, elk. And that's

1427
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: that's the way that it that it comes down to it,

1428
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: and I think it I think you can get caught

1429
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: up in seeing what so and so is doing or

1430
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: this or that and try to make that your goal,

1431
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: and it can be frustrating. Yeah. Well, and you know

1432
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: I mean that that's another good point, Like the elk thing.

1433
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever, do what people can do, whatever they

1434
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: want to set their standards wherever. I just see a

1435
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: lot of people set pretty high standards for elk hunting

1436
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: that when they don't know what they're doing and end

1437
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: up not going back, end up taking one trip. And

1438
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: I just look at this and I'm like you know

1439
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: what you said about it's just fun to shoot deer. Dude,

1440
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm to the point now where I'm like, I I

1441
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: look at these situations. My my favorite things about deer

1442
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: hunting a couple of them are. I like looking into

1443
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: I have two freezers now, how to buy an extra

1444
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: one from my elk this year, And I like looking

1445
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: in those freezers and seeing ship tons of meat, like

1446
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna freaking run out for the year. I

1447
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: love it. But I realized, I'm like, I just like

1448
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: shooting deer, Like I like when you when you have

1449
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: that situation where it's like whatever, dear it is that

1450
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: you see it and you're like, I'm gonna try to

1451
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: kill that one and it starts getting into your red zone.

1452
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 1: That's the best, Like there's there's nothing better like you,

1453
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: and you don't get that very often. And I noticed that,

1454
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: Like it kind of really hit home for me with

1455
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: my daughters taking them this year, because when I took

1456
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: my I took one daughter out skill spike right away

1457
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 1: and that was done. There was a quick little encounter.

1458
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: But my other daughter we went out. She shot a

1459
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: dough in the morning and she had another dough tag

1460
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's go sit. We got a

1461
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: doll in a buck tag and we had these does

1462
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: really cagy like they were like I don't think, I

1463
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: don't think we're going through there, and you could see them,

1464
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: and I remember just like the whole time because I'm

1465
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: like I can't whisper to her or anything. I'm like,

1466
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: we're just she's got to read this situation and we

1467
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: have to stay no noise, no movement, and just hope

1468
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: they settled down and come in. And it was like

1469
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: a long encounter with them close before this one dough

1470
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: finally broke and came in, and I just remember thinking

1471
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: like that was so freaking fun, Like just just that

1472
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: like like anticipation of like is this shot gonna happen?

1473
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: Is this gonna blow up? And I just can't Like

1474
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: this is just me personally. I don't want to go

1475
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: into a season where if I know I'm targeting really

1476
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: big deer, which can be super fun in some situations,

1477
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna feel that. Like I might go

1478
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: my entire season and maybe only feel that once or

1479
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: twice and it might not break my way. Or I

1480
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: can get into these situations where you're talking like you

1481
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: go hunt late season does on public land, like you're

1482
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna your heart rates gonna spike at some point during that.

1483
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that as much as any hunt

1484
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: this year. And it was. It was funny and I

1485
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: got to see it again where um what I kept

1486
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: reffort thing this this recent gun hunt that I did

1487
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: with somebody. So Lee ellis from Sequan. He's killed three

1488
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: d seventy in plus dear in other states. This year.

1489
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: He came to Pennsylvania with me and he told me,

1490
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: he's like, I want to have fun, like I want

1491
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: to learn your style hunting. And he's like, what should

1492
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: I be looking at? I said, any legal buck as

1493
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: like yeah, three days like and he end up shooting

1494
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: a nice three year old and but I was and

1495
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: he was like he goes bo. I was excited as

1496
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: excited as shooting any of those big deer and had

1497
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: just as much fun of doing that. Um, even though

1498
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: this doesn't, you know, compare as far as chips on

1499
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: the on the wall. And I thought that was really

1500
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: cool to see that and be a part of it.

1501
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: And I was even the one pulling the trigger and

1502
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: I was just ecstatic, like and then my buddy shot

1503
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: another buck later a younger deer, and just like we

1504
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: had him hanging at the pole camp. We cooked tender

1505
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: loins at night because we've done a podcast, and then

1506
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: afterwards cooked up a bunch of tender loins and it

1507
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: was just like this is fun, Like that's that's a

1508
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: really cool experience. And that's why I'm looking forward to

1509
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: this late season and just getting out there and hunting

1510
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: deer and just and to be honest, I mean, trying

1511
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: to shoot a dough. When you're trying to shoot dough

1512
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: is not easy. Sometimes it's it could be just as hard,

1513
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: if not harder, when you don't want to shoot a dough.

1514
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: They're they're everywhere. But that's the well, I mean, that's

1515
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: that's a really good point there that nobody ever talks about,

1516
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: is like we we take dose so for granted, right, Like, oh,

1517
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: I could kill those anytime I want, because you're condensing

1518
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: an entire season of not trying to kill them into

1519
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: your head and you're going I was all over him,

1520
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: you know. It's kind of like the dude, it's like, oh, yeah,

1521
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: I could have shot the one thirty but you look

1522
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: kind of young, and it's like yeah, and he was

1523
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: fifty four yards away in the brush and you never

1524
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: had a shot, you know what I mean, Like when

1525
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 1: you actually get out there and you're like, Okay, I'm

1526
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill one. I'm not just gonna sit here

1527
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: and watch him and not pick up my bow or

1528
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: not pick up my gun. Totally different. You know that

1529
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: farm that I killed that little buck on here with

1530
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: a muzzle, or last year I did a bunch of

1531
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: late season bow hunting on there for a dough and

1532
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: I never killed one. And I mean I would see

1533
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: those doughs coming in and I had a lot of

1534
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: encounters and I would be like, oh my god, I'm

1535
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: gonna get busted drawn again because they're gonna hear it,

1536
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, like dead calm, And every freaking time I

1537
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: had a chance, something went wrong. And I was like,

1538
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: if you think you're really, really good, like there's some

1539
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: situations where you'll go out and you'll try to kill

1540
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: a late season dough in a place where a lot

1541
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: of people hunting. You go like, this is not this

1542
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: is not easy, This is not what we make it

1543
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 1: out to seem. It's freaking tough. Yeah, I know, and

1544
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm concerned about that part like I when I

1545
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: don't know if it was it was last year. Yeah,

1546
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 1: last year I tried and I failed, Like I didn't.

1547
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: I didn't do any good one. I was targeting a

1548
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: dough specifically, and it was just like and I had

1549
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: like a decent amount of time to put towards it,

1550
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: and I was like, how is this the case? Like

1551
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: it it's not. It's not as easy as you put

1552
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: it out too. And I had a guy messaged me

1553
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: about that too. It's like I'd love to hear like

1554
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: some talks on just shoot hunting does and I'm like

1555
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, I don't really think

1556
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: about that that much. And and you know, in my

1557
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: own head other than when all of a sudden I

1558
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: have tags filled, then I go out and try to

1559
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: do it and it's a struggle. It's not just because

1560
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: it's a dough doesn't mean it's easy. You know, some

1561
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: of those some especially you can start getting some of

1562
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: those old does whole. They're they're smarter than those Bucks are. Dude.

1563
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,759
Speaker 1: I actually just wrote about this, like I I honestly

1564
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: think that we give Bucks too much credit and do

1565
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: is not enough credit because you know, people talk about

1566
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 1: how big books are a different species and all this stuff,

1567
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: and we we've always had a vested interest in making

1568
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: them seem like mythical, right, like it does guys like

1569
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: you and I. It serves us well if people think

1570
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: that bucks have a sixth sense and they're impossible to

1571
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: kill in all this bullshit, right, But when you think

1572
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: about their life, you know, most of the time, those

1573
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 1: big bucks, the reason that they're so hard to kill

1574
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: is they're pretty freaking rare, right, compared to a lot

1575
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: of the other deer, Like, they just aren't that many

1576
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 1: of them. And yeah, like listen, they're good at surviving,

1577
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, Like I fully believe that. But

1578
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: when you start dealing with a lot of doughs, they

1579
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: get a lot of pressure, they're just as good at surviving. Like,

1580
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: they're just as good at figuring out where the pressure

1581
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: is and reacting to it. And I mean, I think

1582
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: that I have more dose pick me off or you know,

1583
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: blow up a set up than bucks do. Like bucks

1584
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: seem like when you get them to move, they're pretty

1585
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 1: confident and sometimes not as cage as those doughes. And

1586
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times those pressure does especially they're a

1587
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: couple of years old man, they will get you every time. Yeah, No,

1588
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're spot on and and trying not so.

1589
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: Another thing about late season I think would be a

1590
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: good thing to hit on is when you're hunting in

1591
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: that cold and say it's still, it's a lot tougher

1592
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: to after you've been sitting in a while to draw

1593
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: your bow, if your bow hunting, to even get your

1594
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: bow back, and then everything starts making creaking noises and

1595
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's your stand or saddle platform, wherever

1596
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: you're using, like, there's a lot of things that can

1597
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: go wrong, and it seems so much more still, and

1598
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: it's harder and there's not as much cover, so even

1599
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: when your trees stick out a little bit more, it's

1600
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: tougher to to make that happen. And you know, I

1601
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: was up in Alberta recently and when I was hunting

1602
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: up there, it was negative. The cold is really freaking cold.

1603
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: Try drawing your bow back if you have it at

1604
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: seventy pounds, no matter how strong you think you are,

1605
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: when you've been sitting there not moving for hours on end,

1606
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: and then try to do that. It takes a different level.

1607
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: And I'm actually in the process of setting up a

1608
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: specific bow for hunting cold weather that's an in shorter

1609
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 1: draw length and set it sixty pounds in to the

1610
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: seven and so it's just easier to be able to do.

1611
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: And when you start having layers on, um, you know,

1612
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: practicing with all that stuff on, because it's different, and

1613
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: it's everything is different. You know, when I and when

1614
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: I shoot, I shoot a thumb release, uh for most

1615
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: of the season. When it comes to late season, I

1616
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: use a trigger style again because I can't have that

1617
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: close to my face because I have the the potential

1618
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: to hit the trigger and I've done that in practice

1619
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: by hitting my caller or doing you know something, And

1620
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: those are all things that I think it overlooked as

1621
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to late season, but are the things

1622
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: that you should you know, practice and make sure you're

1623
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: you're competent and um. And it's it's it's hard, yeah,

1624
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: when you when you hunt cold late season like calm conditions,

1625
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: you you get reminded of all the holes in your

1626
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: game pretty quick when you've got to go, like when

1627
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 1: you've got to draw and just like a hood scrape

1628
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: in the tree or your your elbow or something just

1629
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: a little bit or a little tiny creek in your

1630
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: cams or anything like that. It's a it's a different deal,

1631
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: and it you know, it's one of those situations where

1632
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: if you do get caught drawing, like, they're not going

1633
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: to stick around, like if they pick you up there,

1634
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna get like that stomp and

1635
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: walk around and position themselves a little better. It's like

1636
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: those days that was two months ago. This is a

1637
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: different world. Now, yeah, you're the you're the nineteen guy

1638
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: that they've saw since that time two months ago. They're

1639
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: not they're not sticking around and looking at they're they're

1640
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: they're bolting at that at that point. So it's yeah,

1641
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a good point. It's just uh,

1642
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a different time a year, and you've got

1643
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: to kind of look at it that way. And that's

1644
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: why it's that's why it's fun too. Like I I

1645
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: I look at you know, these different situations and it

1646
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: took trying to change in my mindset. Like even when

1647
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: like this year with the run, I think mostly across

1648
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: the country people dealt with warm weather at the beginning

1649
01:18:56,040 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: of November and I I feel like everyone gets really

1650
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: down about it, and you know, including myself, I don't.

1651
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather have cold weather. Everybody would. But it's like, Okay,

1652
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: look at this as a different thing, like what can

1653
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: I do differently to be able to kill something in

1654
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: this this scenario, especially if you're on like public ground

1655
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: and and you know, and and you have limited time

1656
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: to hunt, Like you have a specific time. You can't pick.

1657
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: You can't be like, oh, I'm not gonna hunt these

1658
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: days because they're not perfect. You know, change up your

1659
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: strategy a little bit. You know, your high wind days,

1660
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: maybe you want to just still hunt. You want to

1661
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: be on the ground and do that. And I think

1662
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: late season offers a little bit of that, that challenge

1663
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: and that those differences, And I think no matter what

1664
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: time of year, it is using those different scenarios that

1665
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: you're kind of dealt with and looking at as a

1666
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: game and trying to to to figure it out. And

1667
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of that, and even recently I

1668
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: was reminded of it. I guess is what I should say.

1669
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: Zach Farenball Uh. He he was talking to me about it,

1670
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 1: and he's just like, man, I just whatever condition they

1671
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,480
Speaker 1: are thrown at me, just figure it out. Try something new,

1672
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, and and I think you can learn so

1673
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 1: much of that even if it doesn't work out for you. Yeah, well,

1674
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: I mean, and the reality is it mostly won't. But

1675
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: that's okay because it mostly doesn't anyway. I mean, I

1676
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: look at this and I go because I'm like that,

1677
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: Like I just I just want to hunt. If it's hot, cold, whatever,

1678
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: If I have a chance to go, I'm gonna go.

1679
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: And you know, you see people make excuses to not

1680
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,839
Speaker 1: go in those conditions a lot, and I get it.

1681
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: But then you look at like the success rate when

1682
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: the conditions are perfect, and still most people are not

1683
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: killing deer, and so it's like, well, why not go

1684
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: try when it should maybe theoretically shouldn't be the best

1685
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: because when you think, you know, especially talking about coming

1686
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 1: from public land, I love really shitty conditions for deer

1687
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: hunting when I'm hunting public land because people are gonna

1688
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: just not go, you know, like if you're if you're

1689
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: there in September and it's ninety degrees, people are gonna hunt.

1690
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: You know. If you're there during the rut, some people

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: will be there, but if it's seventy five degrees in

1692
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: the day, you'll have less pressure than you would if

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01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: it was twenty five degrees. You know, like you have that,

1694
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: you have that to work with, and you go out

1695
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: there and realize that, like this stuff can still happen.

1696
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: It can happen early season, late season, it can happen

1697
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: right now on public plan. It's still worth going. Yeah,

1698
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: like in guns season, that's actually my favorite. When you

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: get like a lot of rain. Yeah, it doesn't make

1700
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: favorable conditions as far as hunting, and it kind of

1701
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: sucks sometimes, but that's gonna keep people out of the woods.

1702
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: It's it's and even if at first light you have

1703
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people out, they're gonna be wet cold.

1704
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: By nine am, they're going back. They have lunch and

1705
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: then they sit back camp or whatever. They Yeah, you know,

1706
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 1: maybe they'll just go out tomorrow. I'm not. I'm not

1707
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: gonna go out for the evening or whatever. It's like, man,

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01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 1: that's fine, keep doing that. That's that's great. Like you

1709
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,480
Speaker 1: guys stay in and watch the Packers game. Yeah, exactly,

1710
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: maybe not this year, but but we gotta wrap this

1711
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: sucker up. Where can everybody finds you out there? You're

1712
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: doing all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I say that I say,

1713
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: the main thing that kind of links to everything is

1714
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: my upsite, East Meat to West Hunt dot com. If

1715
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: the East Meat to West Hunt podcast anywhere podcasts are found.

1716
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: My YouTube channel is just under my name Beaumar Tonic.

1717
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: If you search either of those things on social media,

1718
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: you'll find me. They're kind of stay active in all

1719
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 1: the all those places. So a bunch of scouting videos

1720
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: and stuff on YouTube, video podcasts, and then uh, but

1721
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: the podcast is probably my main main gig. So a

1722
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of big woods, white tail stuff, planning Western hunts,

1723
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: those types of things, a lot of good info there.

1724
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: It's always a blast talk any man. Thanks so much

1725
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 1: for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me on, Tony,

1726
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That's it for this week, folks. Be

1727
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: sure to tune in next week for more white tail goodness.

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01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: This has been the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your

1729
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: guest host, Tony Peterson. As always, thank you so much

1730
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: for listening. And if you're looking for more white tail content,

1731
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: be sure to check out the metator dot com slash

1732
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: Wired to see a pile of new articles each week

1733
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,479
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1734
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,000
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1735
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,840
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