Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today
Speaker 2: and joined by James Stout and Sophie Lichterman. This episode,
Speaker 2: we are covering the week of November twenty fourth to
Speaker 2: December fourth, an extra long week. Somehow they squeezed a
Speaker 2: few more days in there to open us up. James,
Speaker 2: what are some what are some important small stories we
Speaker 2: don't want to overlook?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, a lot because of our extra long week, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The United States is flying manned ISR flights over Nigeria
Speaker 3: and possibly parts of the Sahel as well. It's not
Speaker 3: entirely clear because the flights kind of go dark once
Speaker 3: they take off. Sources familiar with the matter have suggested
Speaker 3: that you AV strikes might begin soon. It seems that
Speaker 3: the ISR flights are targeting ISWAP and j and I.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write about this on my Patreon, probably because
Speaker 3: I think it requires visuals and I think it's it's
Speaker 3: too much to go into in depth here, But if
Speaker 3: you want to check that out, you can.
Speaker 2: Can you explain some of those acronyms.
Speaker 3: No, I just love to fight. It's great when you
Speaker 3: report on military ship because it's just a wall of acronyms. Okay,
Speaker 3: IR flights, These are intelligence flights, right, intelligence surveillance reconnaissance.
Speaker 3: I believe it's an acronym. They're looking for stuff for
Speaker 3: ua V. On manned aerial vehicle, there's a gender neutral
Speaker 3: term and I can't remember unpiloted aerial vehicle walk is
Speaker 3: back hard. That's the bid nearer thing, right when you
Speaker 3: get killed by an n agatable drone. But it's gender neutral.
Speaker 3: The it's what that's the Islamic State willie in that
Speaker 3: part of the world, so like Province, West Africa Province.
Speaker 3: I think it stands for.
Speaker 2: These are the targets of these flights and.
Speaker 3: Strikes and Jay and I am being another jahardest group
Speaker 3: that is not associated with the so called Islamic State.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 1: Got it? Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, hit you with another acronym, A foyer.
Speaker 2: I think I think we know that.
Speaker 3: One fire by the Cato Institute has revealed that the
Speaker 3: FBI under Biden was investigating the SRA that's a socialist
Speaker 3: rifle association. It didn't bring charges against any of the members,
Speaker 3: but it did apparently investigate him for some time. Finally,
Speaker 3: the National Park Service has announced a new fee schedule
Speaker 3: and quote unquote modernized graphics for passes.
Speaker 1: Is this the horrific image you sent us?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a picture of Donald Trump. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 3: they've modernized it. It's it's not very nice. I I
Speaker 3: know there are better things in the parks. I feel like, like,
Speaker 3: you know, half Dome is nice. The Yosemite Valley, Yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty cool. Shit in wrangle sint Elias that you could
Speaker 3: do instead.
Speaker 1: That's like him trying to rename that East Institute after himself.
Speaker 1: He just keeps trying to put his face and name
Speaker 1: on everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, when you're a dying man, legacy becomes very important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, But that's exactly it. The US Institute
Speaker 1: of Peace is being renamed for Trump.
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, oh I know, I miss that. Great cool.
Speaker 1: It's feeling very similar to that, whether he's just putting
Speaker 1: his face and name on everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So two things, right, electronic passes for parks its
Speaker 3: phoby a good thing, and a hundred dollars up charge
Speaker 3: for non United States I think it's residents as opposed
Speaker 3: to citizens in the eleven most popular parks.
Speaker 1: How can they even check that?
Speaker 2: I might just ask like this, this sounds like a
Speaker 2: tourism thing, right, like they just wanted people to that
Speaker 2: are like visiting the States to pay more.
Speaker 3: To be clear, other countries do this. I still think
Speaker 3: it's bad. Like some of the Grand Canyon is part
Speaker 3: of a cultural patrimony of all of humanity. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: National Park Service itself is an exercise in set colonialism.
Speaker 3: But we can talk about that forever. Yeah, I've seen
Speaker 3: some stuff with gate ranges, be like, I'm absolutely not
Speaker 3: asking for your green cord. Yeah, no, that's silly fear ranges.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think they were just kind of assuming
Speaker 3: good faith. A lot of other countries do do this,
Speaker 3: It's not unusual. I still think it sucks. There's also
Speaker 3: an interagency pass. It's two fifty for non residents and
Speaker 3: eighty dollars for residents. So those are they're the big
Speaker 3: changes there.
Speaker 2: Speaking of big changes, a pretty big update in a
Speaker 2: case that has lasted nearly five years. This morning, Thursday,
Speaker 2: December fourth, a suspect was arrested in connection to the
Speaker 2: pipe bombs placed around the Capital the night before January sixth,
Speaker 2: specifically at the DNC and RNC headquarters in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: This suspect has been identified as thirty year old Brian
Speaker 2: Cole Junior, from a Woodbridge, Virginia. Federal law enforcement sources
Speaker 2: have told The New York Posts that the suspect may
Speaker 2: have had quote unquote anarchist leanings unquote. This could mean anything, right,
Speaker 2: This could be anything from like anti government, violent extremism
Speaker 2: like militia movement type extremism, boogaloo boys, accelerationist, as well
Speaker 2: as possible left wing anarchist leanings. Sure, it could be
Speaker 2: any number of things. There's still very limited information about this.
Speaker 2: Even in the like boj press conference that just wrapped
Speaker 2: up a few minutes before we started recording. They're being
Speaker 2: pretty tight left about details. And I think about his gait, well, yes,
Speaker 2: people are asking about his gait. And allegedly he had
Speaker 2: begun building explosive devices in twenty nineteen. Okay, okay, So
Speaker 2: like some some background, This arrest does partially discredit a
Speaker 2: report from The Blaze, which Robert has talked about on
Speaker 2: this show before, which falsely identified a former Capitol police
Speaker 2: officer as the bomber based on gate analysis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they prosecute someone else, the Blaze is going
Speaker 3: to get sued out of existence.
Speaker 2: So I would imagine the critical support to former Capital
Speaker 2: police officer puts the Blaze out of business. Wow, pour
Speaker 2: one out for Glenn Beck. But this suspect that lives
Speaker 2: at a home associated with both their parents. It's unclear
Speaker 2: if their parents are still married. Suspect's dad runs a
Speaker 2: bail bond business which the Sun is supposed to have
Speaker 2: worked for, and the mom is a real estate agent.
Speaker 2: Not much online presence can be found yet on Brian
Speaker 2: Cole Junior. I've spent hours looking and so far not
Speaker 2: much there. But we'll see if that changes over time.
Speaker 1: A developing story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll do a whole episode if it marriage
Speaker 3: it later, I guess sure. Talking of terrible indictment, Garrison,
Speaker 3: would you like to hear about a terrible indictment out
Speaker 3: of Texas?
Speaker 2: I'm going to say yes, but no, I don't know
Speaker 2: if i'd like to for what reasons. I feel like
Speaker 2: you're going to do it anyway, so I'll play along.
Speaker 3: Two Texas men have been indicted for a plan to
Speaker 3: invade a small island off Haiti, kill all the men
Speaker 3: and sexually enslave all the women and children.
Speaker 1: What I'm sorry? What?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a wild one. The indictment
Speaker 3: says they we hope to quote lead an unlawful expeditionary
Speaker 3: force to the island of Gonave, which is part of
Speaker 3: the Republic of at for the purpose of carrying out
Speaker 3: their rape fantasies. Weisinberg and Thomas plan to purchase a sailboat,
Speaker 3: firearms and ammunition, then recruit members of the District of
Speaker 3: Columbia area homeless population to serve as a mercenary force
Speaker 3: as say invader Gnave Island and stage Acudaita. Weisenberg and
Speaker 3: Thomas intended to murder all of the men on the
Speaker 3: island so they could turn all of the women and
Speaker 3: children into their sex slaves. That is what is alleged
Speaker 3: in the indictment. Right be an interesting case. One of
Speaker 3: them had joined the Air Force in twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: to get some military experience, or was in the Air
Speaker 3: Force this year to get some military experience and has
Speaker 3: successfully been transferred to nearer to d C from where
Speaker 3: they hope to recruit unhoused people to service merceries.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely insane. Who are who are these two
Speaker 1: Texas men? Why do they think this is like a
Speaker 1: thing that can be Like, all.
Speaker 3: Right, it's borderline something I considered not including because like
Speaker 3: the people are probably pretty unwell. It seems like are they.
Speaker 1: Just obsessed with like Eric Prince, Like I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't understand. I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if the guy hadn't passed all the background
Speaker 3: checks to get into the air Force, I feel like
Speaker 3: this would be less remarkable. Right, but while planning to
Speaker 3: invade a small island and enslave everybody he got into
Speaker 3: the air Force, that that in itself like like should
Speaker 3: be a story. And of course it is all alleged, right,
Speaker 3: it's all in an indictment. We don't know what the
Speaker 3: evidential basis for a lot of this is.
Speaker 1: Well, that was disturbing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild one. I guess we'll keep you informed.
Speaker 4: What Garson Garrison I like, I like can't even compute,
Speaker 4: Like that's one of the most insane things I've heard
Speaker 4: in a really long time.
Speaker 2: Well, first of economic news, let's has thrown to tariffs.
Speaker 1: Let's glow to tariff. Talk with me A.
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Speaker 6: This is me a wong with tariff talk. So obviously,
Speaker 6: the biggest tariff news right now is the impending Supreme
Speaker 6: Court ruling on the legality of a broad swath of
Speaker 6: the terroriffts that Trump has imposed using unbelievably dubious legal
Speaker 6: and economic authority. And by unbelievably dubious, I mean it
Speaker 6: is so patently illegal. It is an astounding demonstration of
Speaker 6: the complete advocation of the Supreme Court's pretensions at being
Speaker 6: one of the branches of government that this hasn't already
Speaker 6: been overturned, But this is ruling has not dropped yet.
Speaker 6: Everyone's waiting. So in the meantime, what we have is
Speaker 6: a bunch of Trump administration officials have been going on
Speaker 6: TV and talking about trade policy, and they're saying something
Speaker 6: that we've been hearing for a while now, which is
Speaker 6: that they believe that they can use different set of
Speaker 6: legal authority to impose the same tariffs. Whether they can
Speaker 6: do this or not, is I mean, they shouldn't be
Speaker 6: able to do this, like all of that, All of
Speaker 6: the authority they're using is pretty ridiculous, But this has
Speaker 6: been This has been their strategy. They've been reiterating their strategy.
Speaker 6: On the other side, we've seen some interesting movement in
Speaker 6: terms of the opposition, which is that Costco has become
Speaker 6: sort of the biggest company to join in this trend
Speaker 6: of company he's like going to court with lawsuits to
Speaker 6: try to recoup the money that they've spent on these tariffs,
Speaker 6: because if the Supreme Court ruling like overturns the legality
Speaker 6: of these terriffs, these companies can get their money back retroactively.
Speaker 6: Costco is the biggest company we've seen so far short
Speaker 6: of moved to attempt to do this remedy to the courts.
Speaker 6: So we will, we will, we will keep an eye
Speaker 6: on this. And this is you know, I think I think,
Speaker 6: especially if this comes overturned, we're going to see a
Speaker 6: lot of companies trying to make moves for this. This
Speaker 6: is something that is going to piss off the Trump
Speaker 6: administration because they've been talking a giant game about how
Speaker 6: oh these are going to fund the like two thousand
Speaker 6: dollars tariff checks you're never getting Trump is literally talking
Speaker 6: about And this is the you know, this is an
Speaker 6: old sort of right wing thing. But he's talking about
Speaker 6: how oh, terriff's revenue is going to replace income tax,
Speaker 6: which no, it's not like I just nonsense, gibberish numbers
Speaker 6: don't work. Orders the magnitude off just nonsense can't work.
Speaker 6: But you know this is there. These are things that
Speaker 6: they're saying, and there's probably going to be increasing conflict
Speaker 6: between the sectors of capital that just want their money
Speaker 6: back from these tariffs and the Trump administration, which you know,
Speaker 6: wants there's money for its you know, nebulas political purposes.
Speaker 6: There's been some sort of interesting political developments in terms
Speaker 6: of Trump and Lula. So people will probably remember from
Speaker 6: listening to the show that there have been very very
Speaker 6: high turiffs on Brazil that are effectively political tariffs for
Speaker 6: actually putting one gi Air Bolscenaro in prison for you know,
Speaker 6: the mere crime of attempting to overthrow the government to
Speaker 6: install himself as the ruler of Brazil. Now there has
Speaker 6: been over the past few weeks there's been some sort
Speaker 6: of ratcheting down of a lot of the tariffs. There's
Speaker 6: been a bunch of goods that have been exempt from
Speaker 6: the teriffs as part of Trump's sort of widespread efforts
Speaker 6: to like lower food prices because there's a bunch of
Speaker 6: food goods that are being exempt from this stuff. And
Speaker 6: there was also very recently we got an actual call
Speaker 6: between Trump and Lula which seems to have gone fairly well.
Speaker 6: You know, at least this seems to have been cordial.
Speaker 6: The two seem to both be coming out of it
Speaker 6: saying like, oh, we agree on things. It's gonna go great.
Speaker 6: And this is to a large extent, an attempt to
Speaker 6: do a replay of Lula's positive relationship with the Bush
Speaker 6: administration the last time he was in power where and
Speaker 6: this is you know, this has been a trend in
Speaker 6: the in the sort of the original pink tide and
Speaker 6: in this government where you have a kind of mix
Speaker 6: of the sort of pink tie center left governments in
Speaker 6: Latin America, where you know, Lula has traditionally been the
Speaker 6: one who's been sort of playing with the US more.
Speaker 6: And you know, as we're saying, right now, you have
Speaker 6: the US gearing up for, you know, like potentially a
Speaker 6: war in Venezuela, and there's been a whole bunch of
Speaker 6: conflict with Columbia. But Lula seems to be trying to
Speaker 6: sort of play the role that he played in the
Speaker 6: two thousands. We'll see how that goes. Trump is astonishingly
Speaker 6: significantly more unstable than George W. Bush, which is just
Speaker 6: good lord, oh god, Okay, with enough, Oh my god.
Speaker 6: They finally found a president who is less coherent and
Speaker 6: more unhinged than George W.
Speaker 2: Bush.
Speaker 6: The final piece of news that we need to touch
Speaker 6: on is the US's chief trade negotiator gave an interview
Speaker 6: with Politico. And this is Perya who news basically talked
Speaker 6: to Politico and told them that Trump is considering, you know,
Speaker 6: is talking about leaving or renegotiating the USMCA, which is
Speaker 6: the trade agreements that he negotiated to replace NAFTA in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty. Roll this back again.
Speaker 2: This is his deal. He's talking about leaving or renegotiating
Speaker 2: his deal.
Speaker 6: This was his big thing in twenty twenty, is big.
Speaker 6: One of his big things was oh I abolished NAFTA.
Speaker 2: Oh I created this deal.
Speaker 6: And you know, i'veyone at the time was like, well,
Speaker 6: this is just like NAFTA with like the edges filed off,
Speaker 6: you know, but like this is sort of the point
Speaker 6: that we're at in Trumpian trade policy. Where it's like, ah,
Speaker 6: we're getting ripped off by Mexico and Canada in the
Speaker 6: trade deal that I signed. And as Garrison is fond
Speaker 6: of saying the defining political question of our time as
Speaker 6: he was president in twenty twenty, brother, you you did this.
Speaker 6: This this, this was your trade deal. And somehow, somehow
Speaker 6: now you know into interests of real terms, right, this
Speaker 6: is actually a massive deal. So this deal has a
Speaker 6: six year term. It was negotiated in twenty twenty, which
Speaker 6: means just coming up next year. And this is a
Speaker 6: big enough deal that there's already sort of a full
Speaker 6: court press and the press. You can see the New
Speaker 6: York Times running it where every single faction of capital
Speaker 6: ni vesicle fashion, but a whole bunch of factions of
Speaker 6: the capital are getting every single think tank and lobbying
Speaker 6: group and you know, like Policy Research Institute or whatever
Speaker 6: together to be like, please don't get rid of this.
Speaker 6: Because the thing about the us MCA, and this something
Speaker 6: we've talked about to some extent in terms of Canada
Speaker 6: and Mexico tariffs. But one of the really important things
Speaker 6: about the teriffs that have been imposed on Mexico and
Speaker 6: Canada on the terrorifraces are extremely high, is that those
Speaker 6: tariffs haven't been applied to goods that are covered by
Speaker 6: the USMCA, And this has been a crucial lifeline to
Speaker 6: allow trade to not be annihilated by those American tariffs.
Speaker 6: And if Trump pulls out of it and suddenly those
Speaker 6: goods are covered by these tariffs, it's going to be
Speaker 6: a really, really significant economic hit for everyone in the
Speaker 6: world eventually, but for the US and Mexico and Canada,
Speaker 6: this is going to be a massive deal. And I
Speaker 6: want to kind of close on a kind of broader
Speaker 6: point about this for a second, which is that like
Speaker 6: we're not pro NAFTA, Like no NAFTA was bad. Part
Speaker 6: of the reason their administration was able to do this
Speaker 6: was because of the ways that NAFTA sort of hauled
Speaker 6: out and destroyed fast sections of the American working class
Speaker 6: and also the Mexican working classes has not been good
Speaker 6: for anyone really involved in this. One of the things
Speaker 6: that happens if you if you go into the economic literature.
Speaker 6: One of the episodes I did a while back talking
Speaker 6: about US and Mexico in history of like trade policy,
Speaker 6: they're sort of talks about this, which is that if
Speaker 6: you go back into the economic literature, all of the
Speaker 6: economics people have had to admit that the leftists from
Speaker 6: the nineties or whatever were right that this was not
Speaker 6: going to benefit the Mexican working class. It hasn't, you know.
Speaker 6: But on the other hand, Trump's sort of this is
Speaker 6: also not benefiting the Mexican or American working classes. Nothing
Speaker 6: that these people do on either side really do. If
Speaker 6: you want to look at what actual sort of resistance
Speaker 6: in NAFTA looks like, and what effective resistance NAFTA looks like,
Speaker 6: look at the Zapatistas whose rebellion was sparked by NAFTA
Speaker 6: and who went into revolt on the day that NAFTA
Speaker 6: went into effect. But Trump has been able to very
Speaker 6: effectively kind of be the person who comes in as
Speaker 6: I'm the champion of the workers, etc. Etc. Because I'm
Speaker 6: renegotiating the evil trade deals and now like our good
Speaker 6: American workers would no longer be exploited by like evil
Speaker 6: Mexican or Chinese workers, which you know, has been an
Speaker 6: extremely effective political strategy for him, and is you know,
Speaker 6: also this sort of this sort of like national fascist
Speaker 6: program that he's running is sort of based on you know,
Speaker 6: on this kind of trade policy and on manipulating the
Speaker 6: sentiments of people who got like actually screwed over by
Speaker 6: by NAFTA. So yeah, that's where we're gonna kind of
Speaker 6: close on this as Trump is thinking about pulling out.
Speaker 6: That is a huge deal. And yeah, this has been
Speaker 6: teriff talk.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go to an ad break real quick. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back, Harrison, tell me, tell
Speaker 1: me something less horrific than what James just told us
Speaker 1: before me as tariff textion.
Speaker 3: I missed a pot. I missed a pot. Okay, do
Speaker 3: you do? You want to guess how they were making
Speaker 3: money for part of this and coding to the indictment.
Speaker 2: This is the Texas many why's been made the island?
Speaker 2: How are they making money?
Speaker 1: Crypto?
Speaker 3: No, it's worse than that.
Speaker 2: That's a good guest, Sophie. Mm, but you've said it's
Speaker 2: worse than that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, manipulating camgirls.
Speaker 3: In a sense it appears they were producing child sexual
Speaker 3: abuse material.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, wow, this is I mean, obviously it's still allegedly,
Speaker 7: but like, this is one of the worst things I've
Speaker 7: ever heard, and I don't even know how to react.
Speaker 3: Huh. Yeah, he was he received. He was prosecuted under
Speaker 3: U C MJUH for that previously this year. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was prosecuted in UH. I'm just reading a Task and
Speaker 3: Purpose article which builds on the indictment. But they says,
Speaker 3: so he's arrested in July and has since been court martialed.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: So good times, good times in the air the Air Force.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can't. I can't believe the Air Force
Speaker 2: has done something wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, finally, the.
Speaker 2: First blaze on our proud and Laurie is Air Force.
Speaker 2: Maybe the biggest national news story kicked off the day
Speaker 2: before Thanksgiving, not just because of what happened, but then
Speaker 2: all of the fallout that has resulted from this incident,
Speaker 2: which James will report on afterwards. But let's go back
Speaker 2: to the day before Thanksgiving or Two National Guard troops
Speaker 2: from West Virginia on assignment in Washington, d C. It's
Speaker 2: a part of Trump's crime crackdown were shot on patrol
Speaker 2: a few blocks away from the White House. Other Guard
Speaker 2: members fired back and tackled the shooter. One of the
Speaker 2: National Guard members, a twenty year old named Sarah Beckstrom,
Speaker 2: died from gunshot injuries on Thanksgiving. The other twenty four
Speaker 2: year old Andrew Wolfe has so far survived remains hospitalized.
Speaker 1: Wow Yeah.
Speaker 2: A twenty nine year old man, Romanula Locknwall is charged
Speaker 2: with first degree murder and assault with intent to kill.
Speaker 2: The criminal complaint alleges he shouted a la Akbar as
Speaker 2: he fired. Lockawall came to the United States as a
Speaker 2: part of Operation Allies Welcome in twenty twenty one, which
Speaker 2: moved US assets out of Afghanistan as the Taliban gain
Speaker 2: control of the region. Lockinwall was later granted formal asylum
Speaker 2: under Trump. This past April, friend of the alleged shooter
Speaker 2: told The New York Times that Lockerwall joined the CIA
Speaker 2: backed paramilitary squad Unit zero three to earn money for
Speaker 2: his family and get medical training, rather than for ideological reasons,
Speaker 2: and when he returned from stints with the zero unit,
Speaker 2: his personality changed and he was less socially outgoing. To
Speaker 2: quote from the Times quote, Blockenwall told others in his
Speaker 2: village that he had been shaken by seeing so many
Speaker 2: bodies and bloodshed in his role with the zero three unit.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 2: According to a volunteer who worked with his family, Blockenwall's
Speaker 2: mental health started rapidly declining. In early twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: he began self isolating, withdrawing from work and family, stopped
Speaker 2: paying rent, and face deviction. In twenty twenty four, this
Speaker 2: volunteer wrote in an email to an immigrant nonprofit group,
Speaker 2: which was obtained by the AP in the New York Times,
Speaker 2: which reads that lock Andwell quote has not been functional
Speaker 2: as a person, father, and provider since March of last year,
Speaker 2: twenty three. His behavior has changed greatly unquote. When lock
Speaker 2: Andwell emerged from quote unquote dark isolation, it was to
Speaker 2: engage in quote unquote reckless travel, according to this volunteer,
Speaker 2: long seemingly pointless road trips across the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he seems to be behaving in a way that,
Speaker 3: like you said, suggest he has some PTSD or like.
Speaker 2: No PTSD from engaging in combat. This is very common
Speaker 2: among veterans and mental health support for specifically these people
Speaker 2: in this in this paramilitary unit probably doesn't exist, right,
Speaker 2: does not exist the same way it does for veterans
Speaker 2: of the United States military, which already is a lacking service.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that, yeah, I mean these the ship that
Speaker 3: these guys did was dark. I've included in the in
Speaker 3: the show notes a linked to Human Rights Watch report.
Speaker 3: But like, there's a reason that they weren't specifically under
Speaker 3: In theory, they were under the Afghan like Ministry of
Speaker 3: Defense Command, but in practice they operated outside either chain
Speaker 3: of control. They did kill or capture missions. There are
Speaker 3: multiple reports of them killing everybody in a house and
Speaker 3: then it being the wrong house, Like really, stuff that
Speaker 3: is going to stay with someone, right and let unless
Speaker 3: they're like, you know, pretty nuts, No, extremely horrifying, Yeah,
Speaker 3: terrifying stuff. Pretty much immediately after, the Trump administration began
Speaker 3: calling for various immigration restrictions based on this. Right Now,
Speaker 3: it's worth noting that luck Andwell entered the United States
Speaker 3: as part of Operation Allied Welcome, right, but then he
Speaker 3: received US asylum under the Trump administration, so that would
Speaker 3: have been this year, right, Like, I'm not entirely sure
Speaker 3: why he went asylum rather than a special immigrant visa,
Speaker 3: but both the pathways that are opened to Afghan people, right,
Speaker 3: SIV has some benefits, but also it had some different
Speaker 3: things so that they'd have to jump through, Like one
Speaker 3: of them would be a believe to get an officer
Speaker 3: to write a recommendation and maybe CIA folks on into
Speaker 3: doing that. So following this, the US immediately began to
Speaker 3: call for a crackdown on Afghan migrants, and as we'll
Speaker 3: see more broadly on migrants. I think it's important to
Speaker 3: contextualize this globally because it's part of a crackdown on
Speaker 3: a nation which has seen nearly half a century of war. Right.
Speaker 3: Ninety percent of the ten million people who fled Afghanistan
Speaker 3: reside in Pakistan or Iran. I've reported on this before
Speaker 3: on this show, but Iran has deported more than a
Speaker 3: million Afghan people since twenty twenty three, right, and they
Speaker 3: have very few pathways to permanent residency anywhere. Among refugees,
Speaker 3: Afghan people have it particularly difficult. On Tuesday, the us
Speaker 3: CIS Citizenship and Immigration Services issued a memo ordering its
Speaker 3: employees to place on hold all asylum, green card and
Speaker 3: citizenship form applications from quote unquote high risk countries and
Speaker 3: to investigate all arrivals from them since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: They are also placing a hold on all forms I
Speaker 3: five eight nine, which is the application for asylum and
Speaker 3: for withholding of removal, regardless of where the person is from.
Speaker 3: So we have this specific halt on asylum for Afghan nationals.
Speaker 3: That comes first, and then following that we have these
Speaker 3: nineteen high risk countries. The high risk countries are listed
Speaker 3: in Presidential Proclamation one oh nine four nine, which was
Speaker 3: issue back in June. I'll just read out the name,
Speaker 3: so people who are aware, Aganistan, Burma, Chad, Republic of
Speaker 3: the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Barundi, Cuba, Laos,
Speaker 3: Sierra Leone, Togo, Tookmenistan, and Venezuela. If you recall us
Speaker 3: covering this back then you will remember that the reason
Speaker 3: cited in that proclamation is percentage of visa overstays. This
Speaker 3: doesn't have anything to do with risk, right, other than
Speaker 3: risk of overstaying one's visa. They do not justify the
Speaker 3: inclusion of these countries based on the potential for people
Speaker 3: there to do terrorism, right, at least not all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's worth pointing out. I guess that percentages visa overstates
Speaker 3: isn't that useful of a figure, because if you have
Speaker 3: ten people and one over stays, then that's only one person.
Speaker 3: But it's also a ten percent overstay rate, right, So
Speaker 3: it doesn't look at like raw numbers. Nonetheless, this would
Speaker 3: mean from the way I'm reading it, that any application
Speaker 3: with these people on it might be paused. So that
Speaker 3: could include like if someone had applied to have a
Speaker 3: spouse or family member come over and obtain legal status,
Speaker 3: right or if someone was sponsoring someone, or they were
Speaker 3: a duel national they're like a Borndian American for example.
Speaker 3: We will see how long this lasts. Trump has previously
Speaker 3: failed to get a total asylent ban, but for the meantime,
Speaker 3: like this is catastrophic for people attempting to seek asylum
Speaker 3: or permanent residency in the US. The only sort of
Speaker 3: upside that I can see on upside, but like you know,
Speaker 3: not terrible thing is that I don't think this would
Speaker 3: pause the work permit clock. So people have been listening
Speaker 3: to my series this week, they will have learned about
Speaker 3: the work permit clock. Right, Because this is a government action,
Speaker 3: non action from individuals, I don't think it would pause
Speaker 3: that clock. I guess to just wrap up the migrant
Speaker 3: crackdown stuff, Trump announced via a truth that quote, I am,
Speaker 3: as President of the United States here by terminating, effective immediately,
Speaker 3: the Temporary Protected Status program for Somalis in Minnesota. In
Speaker 3: the Thanksgiving message, he also repeated a number of claims
Speaker 3: about migrants and used a slurt to described him Walls. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he called him R word, and I think it is
Speaker 3: worth saying. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He has reiterated this multiple times on camera when Aspire reporters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 2: And this is specifically in reference to reporting which has
Speaker 2: come out of Minnesota about a series of like fraudulent
Speaker 2: claims based on like COVID nineteen food and housing assistance
Speaker 2: programs this state was running, and people who were abusing
Speaker 2: those programs for their own financial benefit, and some of
Speaker 2: these specific instances are now being used to attack the
Speaker 2: entire Somali community in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's worth noting that the percentage of the Somali
Speaker 3: community which is on TPS is very small. It's probably
Speaker 3: a few hundred people. I don't know how those COVID
Speaker 3: assistance programs like overlap with once immigration status, right, but
Speaker 3: it's worth noting that. It's also worth noting, like I've
Speaker 3: linked to the statue in the show notes, the Somali
Speaker 3: TPS extends until March of twenty twenty six. It probably
Speaker 3: won't be renewed then, right, that's what the Trump administration
Speaker 3: has been doing, is sunsetting TPS is for all kinds
Speaker 3: of people. The statute does not give the president power
Speaker 3: to end the TPS, certainly not on a state by
Speaker 3: state basis. Right, Yeah, that's a good point. The notice
Speaker 3: of revocation would appear in the Federal Register, and the
Speaker 3: TPS would then have sixty days if it was being revoked,
Speaker 3: that people would have sixty days to act on that information. Right,
Speaker 3: you can't just post it. That's not how this works.
Speaker 3: As of today, when I check the Federal Register, the
Speaker 3: last entry for the Somali TPS with its renewal last year.
Speaker 3: So there appears to have been no actual legal action
Speaker 3: taken on this. But nonetheless there has been ICE enforcement. Right.
Speaker 3: There are videos of ICE officers specifically asking people if
Speaker 3: they are Somali in Minnesota, which is troubling. I think
Speaker 3: that's about all the ICE crackdown stuff. I have guess
Speaker 3: Greg Bavino's in Louisiana. No, So, there's been a lot
Speaker 3: of discussion this week and House hearings about the drone
Speaker 3: strike that began the United States campaign of drone strikes
Speaker 3: against small boats in both the Caribbean and the Pacific, right,
Speaker 3: so called narco terrorists jam, yeah, so yeah, I think
Speaker 3: so called is doing a lot of work there. There
Speaker 3: seems to be a lot of debate about whether Pete
Speaker 3: Hegscess directly ordered a second strike on survivors from the
Speaker 3: first strike. Excess had denied this, saying, quote, the thing
Speaker 3: was on fire and it exploded. You can't see anything.
Speaker 3: This is called the fog of war.
Speaker 2: That's not the fog before yet. It's nobody means you're
Speaker 2: not at war.
Speaker 3: You're in a suit in a room watching a TV screen.
Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't revert to like literal smoke edge fog.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is like absurd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a ludicrous claim, right. Yeah. There have been
Speaker 3: times where I have been in places like for instance,
Speaker 3: I was in Java a couple of years ago and
Speaker 3: we were being bombed. Right the way for me to
Speaker 3: get information it was better for me to like go
Speaker 3: online and find stuff because the access to information on
Speaker 3: the ground in conflict times can be difficult. That's not
Speaker 3: the case when you're in DC watching a screen readout right.
Speaker 3: That is why we have people who are not in
Speaker 3: combat making these decisions. The White House has claimed that
Speaker 3: Admiral Bradley, who was JSOCK commander at the time, ordered
Speaker 3: the strike. Cotton today claimed that two people in the
Speaker 3: video were trying to roll the boat to get back
Speaker 3: in the fight. What that's not a thing that one
Speaker 3: can do. Like they're not in Just to be clear,
Speaker 3: they're not in like a kayak here, Like this is
Speaker 3: in what I would call a cigarette boat, like a
Speaker 3: fast speedboat. You can't roll those like that.
Speaker 2: I don't understand they were not engaged in combat.
Speaker 3: No, Like I don't see any evidence that these people
Speaker 3: were equipped to like certainly not to fight against a drone. Right.
Speaker 2: No, why does this matter? Right? Because these people are
Speaker 2: dead regardless. Yeah, Why does the emphasis on this second
Speaker 2: strike matter more than simply attacking them the first time?
Speaker 2: Why is could this result in haig Seth being in
Speaker 2: a degree of trouble? Why are there so defensive about
Speaker 2: the second strike?
Speaker 3: Fair question. It is a very clear violation of the
Speaker 3: US military's own Law of War manual, which I have
Speaker 3: linked and the Geneva Conventions to kill someone who's demonstrably
Speaker 3: or to combat right out of combat i e. A
Speaker 3: shipwrecked sailor, i e. A wounded soldier who's thrown away
Speaker 3: their weapon. These people were very clearly not fighting. From
Speaker 3: every report that we've seen, this has been part of
Speaker 3: the way that war is conducted for centuries, like picking
Speaker 3: up shipwrecked sailors after sinking about, etc. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: this has always happened. The US has done double tap
Speaker 3: strikes for a long time. Yeah, there has been I
Speaker 3: should just clarify. I guess there has been some debate
Speaker 3: about the Semana takes of the word double tap. First
Speaker 3: of all, that's not important. What is important is that
Speaker 3: they killed people who were not fighting, who are out
Speaker 3: of combat, and who are clinging to a burning shipwrecked boat.
Speaker 3: A double tap does generally refer to a strike and
Speaker 3: then a subsequent strike which is focused on killing the
Speaker 3: people who came to rescue the people hitting the first strike.
Speaker 3: There was no one to rescue these people. But I
Speaker 3: don't think that, like, that's not what's at stake here, right,
Speaker 3: That is, it doesn't matter what term we use to
Speaker 3: describe this other than war crime. There were double tap
Speaker 3: strikes at the time that I spoke about when I
Speaker 3: was in ri Java, where they did bomb ambulance crews
Speaker 3: and yeah, that shit is absolutely reprehensible. But what happened
Speaker 3: here is also reprehensible as it's being recounted to us.
Speaker 3: Eventually this video will come out, I'm sure. More broadly,
Speaker 3: the United States seems to be signaling intent to continue
Speaker 3: its campaign against my daughter, saying it will begin land
Speaker 3: strikes uote unquote soon. What Yeah, like this is extremely worrying,
Speaker 3: right like, Yeah, tramp becourse a great peace president who
Speaker 3: has ended what is it like nine wars? Trump the Dove,
Speaker 3: I think is what you personally called perfect. It's a
Speaker 3: hell of a visual. The people of Venezuela are the
Speaker 3: ones who are going to suffer, right Like, It's not
Speaker 3: going to be the regime officials for the most part. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Venezuela's a vast, mountainous jungle country. It's an easy place
Speaker 3: for us to do land war, not a particularly easy
Speaker 3: place for US to do drone warfare either. You know,
Speaker 3: I've written a lot about the the United States Duran
Speaker 3: campaign in Syria and the disaster that was, right in
Speaker 3: the amount of what they considered to be acceptable civilian casualties.
Speaker 3: We don't have any indications from this DoD or like
Speaker 3: from hexth that like he will seek to minimize those,
Speaker 3: right like this, This could be shaping up to be
Speaker 3: a disaster for the people of Venezuela.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I find it unlike that haig Seth
Speaker 2: will actually fall into trouble international law. Because of this,
Speaker 2: people always get away. And I mean you can see
Speaker 2: how Trump already pardoned number of work criminals earlier this
Speaker 2: year and in his first administration, right, and in his
Speaker 2: first administration. Yeah, as much fun as it is to
Speaker 2: be like haha, I like this. I like to see
Speaker 2: old pet hag Seth wiggles way out of this jam.
Speaker 3: Yes he will. I think he's expected to do so
Speaker 3: quite easily. I mean, international doesn't exist for people in
Speaker 3: the global North. It's a thing that they do to
Speaker 3: prosecute African people for the most part. But yes, very
Speaker 3: unlikely that we will see hag Seth in the Hague
Speaker 3: for this. Still bad though.
Speaker 2: We'll go on another ad break and be right back.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back. We would like to now
Speaker 2: expand and clarify some of our previous previous discussion of
Speaker 2: Zoron's White House meeting with Donald Trump and some statements
Speaker 2: around ice raids and ice detainers. Let's start by clarifying
Speaker 2: this one hundred and seventy serious crimes number.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: While answering a question, Zoran said, quote, we discussed Ice
Speaker 2: and New York City, and I spoke about how the
Speaker 2: laws we have in New York City allowed the city
Speaker 2: government to speak to the federal administration about roughly one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy serious crimes.
Speaker 3: Unquote.
Speaker 2: This one hundred and seventy number is in reference to
Speaker 2: Local Law fifty eight Administrative Code nine Dash one three
Speaker 2: to one, which was passed in twenty fourteen and strengthened
Speaker 2: New York sanctuary laws and required that they only honor
Speaker 2: ICE detainers when presented with the judicial warrant issued by
Speaker 2: an Article three federal judge or Federal magistrate judge based
Speaker 2: on probable cause, and when the subject of the detainer
Speaker 2: and warrant is either listed in a terrorist database or
Speaker 2: has been convicted of a violent or serious crime. Now,
Speaker 2: the term violent or serious crime refers to a list
Speaker 2: of approximately one hundred and seventy crimes, which is listed
Speaker 2: in Local Law fifty four.
Speaker 3: I think there's a five year limit as well, right,
Speaker 3: Like it has to be within five years.
Speaker 2: So there's a number of like they like stack on
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, Like there's This is just a one
Speaker 2: of many like amendments strengthening their sanctuary laws. And I'm
Speaker 2: mentioning it specifically to clarify where one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: number comes from and where people can find all of
Speaker 2: the criminal codes that are listed, which is again approximately
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy crimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: Change this local law did is that this person doesn't
Speaker 2: have to just be accused of one of these crimes,
Speaker 2: but actually be convince or listed in a terrible stateabase. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and these are mostly like violent felons.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The law that Garrison refers to lists them by
Speaker 3: penal code number. So I'm working on expanding those into
Speaker 3: a list of words that human beings can understand. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: just because I think people generally don't understand sanctuary protections.
Speaker 3: Sanctuary laws are not like a They're not the same
Speaker 3: in every state, They're not the same in every city
Speaker 3: in every state, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: have an understanding of them which could do with being improved.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to probably do a whole episode on that.
Speaker 3: I think with regard to the list of crimes in
Speaker 3: New York, I would prefer to do that as a
Speaker 3: print piece, because it's just better if someone could find
Speaker 3: it on the internet, and that doesn't work as well
Speaker 3: with podcasts other stuff regarding this if just so people
Speaker 3: are aware, right, like, federally, one could be deported for
Speaker 3: a huge range of crimes, from violent crime to thefto
Speaker 3: over ten thousand dollars to a vast range of quote
Speaker 3: unquote crimes involving moral turpitude. The problem, of course, is
Speaker 3: that we have fifty different states with fifty different sets
Speaker 3: of laws, and we have to map federal regulations onto them.
Speaker 3: There is some Supreme Court case law about how we
Speaker 3: do that. Crimes involving moral turpitude can be things that
Speaker 3: you might consider extraordinarily minor, like turnstile hopping.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a whole episode on these because
Speaker 3: again I think you could see in that press conference,
Speaker 3: so when Zoran spoke about immigration, Trump tried to move
Speaker 3: the topic to deporting criminals. Yeah, and the people who
Speaker 3: are being deported as criminals, whilst the DHS twitter feed
Speaker 3: wants to highlight people who've been convicted of murder and things,
Speaker 3: and that's by far look at an EDU case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's why he mentioned the one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy like serious urvolent crimes, and like specifically
Speaker 2: that those are the ones that the New York Sentuary
Speaker 2: laws you do have this quote unquote cooperation on, and
Speaker 2: like in a meeting, Zorn said that he and Trump
Speaker 2: talked about how current ICE operations in New York City
Speaker 2: I quote unquote very little to do with serious crime
Speaker 2: with these built crimes listed on these detainers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a broad thing across the United States, right,
Speaker 3: Like even we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: But like, if you look at Charlotte right where they
Speaker 3: have they are legally bound to honor all ICE detainers
Speaker 3: by HB ten, you've still got Ice out and about
Speaker 3: raiding people, and you have sheriffs complaining about Ice not
Speaker 3: picking people up right. The detainer, I guess I should
Speaker 3: explain what a detainer is as well. A detainer is
Speaker 3: an extra forty eight hour hold. It doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: you just like lock them up forever. It means that
Speaker 3: you hold them for forty eight hours such that ICE
Speaker 3: can come in and collect the person. Because ICE is
Speaker 3: so focused on I don't know what you want to
Speaker 3: call it, grabbing people off the street. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 3: that they're not collecting these people. There's been some pushback,
Speaker 3: like on straight up economic grounds in some states because
Speaker 3: like detaining people is quite expensive, right, so detaining people
Speaker 3: for long periods of time and it's just not showing up.
Speaker 3: I can see how not to give support to sheriff's
Speaker 3: departments or whatever, but like rural sheriff's departments, which are
Speaker 3: on limited budgets, would start to get pissed off after
Speaker 3: a time about holding people. But that is what a
Speaker 3: detainer is, got it. Ice doesn't necessarily have to abide
Speaker 3: by local sanctuary laws. And what we have seen is that,
Speaker 3: like cops are cops, and they will make mistakes, and
Speaker 3: if someone gets handed over, you can't take them back
Speaker 3: if the cops fuck that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And this is part of the other
Speaker 2: things that Zaron campaigned on to like strength and sanctuary protections,
Speaker 2: And specifically in the section of his policies on quote
Speaker 2: unquote trump proofing New York City, he talks about like
Speaker 2: ending illegal ICE cooperation on Riker's Island or ICE is
Speaker 2: currently stationed, which does go against sanctuary laws, and you've
Speaker 2: talked about ending that as well as providing one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty five million dollars in funding for immigration legal
Speaker 2: defend services in the cities, which would be a massive
Speaker 2: increase and what is currently provided. Yeah, as well as
Speaker 2: just like limiting interactions with police, right is, the more
Speaker 2: you interact with the police, the more likely is that
Speaker 2: you might accidentally or quote unquote accidentally get put into trouble,
Speaker 2: even though you know, police in New York are not
Speaker 2: supposed to ever ask someone that what their immigration status
Speaker 2: is or or cooperate with ice requests that do not
Speaker 2: you know, fall under this specific container law. But I
Speaker 2: mean in terms of like ways to limit interactions with police,
Speaker 2: this goes back to some very basic ideas on like,
Speaker 2: you know, addressing the economic conditions that create crime in
Speaker 2: the first place, as well as the Department of Community Safety,
Speaker 2: which Souron intends to create, which will provide new mental
Speaker 2: health services, crisis response, and homeless outreach outside of the NYPD.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, not criminalizing homelessness and not criminalizing parking are
Speaker 3: probably two of the most meaningful things that you can
Speaker 3: do to limit police interaction and specifically police interactions from
Speaker 3: documented people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean in terms of like turnstile hopping
Speaker 2: or like fair evation. It's it's complicated in New York. Mean,
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna be something that they honor a detainer for.
Speaker 2: But in terms of like you know, just talking about
Speaker 2: like the Yeah, how weird and specific each state's laws are.
Speaker 2: Like turnstile hopping can be a misdemeanor crime in New
Speaker 2: York due to like theft of services. It can also
Speaker 2: just be a civil in fracture. It can, but it's
Speaker 2: up to the officer to decide whether they want this
Speaker 2: to turn into a criminal misdemeanor or a civil infraction
Speaker 2: and just pay one hundred dollars fine. Even this is
Speaker 2: like cause confusion among like immigrants and immigrant rights attorneys
Speaker 2: over like dealing with like old old fair ofvation cases
Speaker 2: and being like does this now like disqualify me from
Speaker 2: certain things or does this like you know, present a
Speaker 2: threat of being deported if I if I declare this
Speaker 2: and like whatever like citizenship or a green card meeting,
Speaker 2: they may they may have scheduled. Yeah, and yeah, not
Speaker 2: not criminalizing fair ovation would be huge. And if someone's
Speaker 2: able to make you know, free buses that all, do
Speaker 2: you know a considerable dent in preventing cases where ferivation
Speaker 2: could be used as a pretext federally reports someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because that person or that person could leave
Speaker 3: New York and be somewhere else, right, or they could
Speaker 3: just get swept up in ice workplace raid, and that
Speaker 3: could be used as a pretext, like there are many
Speaker 3: reasons why even if it's sanctuary protected, that person could
Speaker 3: still be vulnerable because of that prosecution.
Speaker 2: Like you said, yeah, I mean, and then those sorts
Speaker 2: of raids are still happening in New York. An attempted
Speaker 2: rate happened in Connell Street. Yeah, last week. It was
Speaker 2: prevented from being carried out by people who literally blocked
Speaker 2: Ice from leaving the parking garage that they were in,
Speaker 2: and that NYPD then arrested a few protesters. It remains
Speaker 2: to be seen how Zoron will handle incidents like this
Speaker 2: going forward. He still does not become the mayor for
Speaker 2: but thirty days, right, but a spokesperson for the mayor
Speaker 2: elect has said that zoren Quote has made it clear,
Speaker 2: including to the President, that these raids are cruel and
Speaker 2: inhumane and failed to advanced genuine public safety. New York
Speaker 2: City's more than three million immigrants are central to our
Speaker 2: city strength. Vitality and access the mayor Electromaine Steadfast and
Speaker 2: his emumitment to protecting the rights and dignity of every
Speaker 2: single New Yorker of holding our sanctuary laws. And de
Speaker 2: escalation rather than use of unnecessary force unquote. I believe
Speaker 2: that last sentence could be read as in reference to
Speaker 2: the police conduct while handling antiites protests. Yeah, quote unquote,
Speaker 2: de escalation rather than use of unnecessary force. But this
Speaker 2: is not something that they have talked about much.
Speaker 1: Curious to see when he's actually the mayor, what will
Speaker 1: happen here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, and that's that's that's a part
Speaker 2: of like what governing is going to look like in
Speaker 2: this case, which is kind of sure, it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: We've never really had a high profile like you know,
Speaker 2: dsa person who previously advocated like defunded or abolishing the
Speaker 2: police become the mayor of a city.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Think this kind of relates to like so much of
Speaker 2: what the project in New York is around New York
Speaker 2: City DSA and zoron to rather than just like you know,
Speaker 2: be like chasing electoral cars and then crashing once you
Speaker 2: have control. Igxort's orange like actually running the city and
Speaker 2: providing a legitimate example the democratic socialst policies can deliver
Speaker 2: on promises for workers and improve life in New York.
Speaker 2: And if this project succeeds, it can be pointed to
Speaker 2: and replicated by others. And there's a very strict focus
Speaker 2: on like making sure that he's able to succeed on
Speaker 2: a section of like economic policies. He's not in a
Speaker 2: federal position, right, He's not running on abolishing ice, as
Speaker 2: you can't as the mayor of New York. And like,
Speaker 2: I think it's very unclear right now, like what a
Speaker 2: politics of abolishing ice really looks like outside of like
Speaker 2: this like contemplative, like reflective and like judgmental politics, which
Speaker 2: falls further and further away from like taking steps to
Speaker 2: do action.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean a politics abolishing guys looks like
Speaker 3: the United States up until two thousand and one, right,
Speaker 3: we didn't have ice.
Speaker 2: Well, but like from now, like what would it mean
Speaker 2: to actually stop de quotations completely? Like what will that look? Like?
Speaker 2: What can be done politically to do that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And Zorin's not doing this because Son's the mayor of
Speaker 2: New York City. He cannot run for president. People in
Speaker 2: his orbit could run for the House and set it
Speaker 2: and push forward bills to do this, and they might
Speaker 2: over time. But like, there is a difference between being
Speaker 2: the mayor of a local municipality and like, what are
Speaker 2: legitimate politics of actually stopping for our current process of deportations,
Speaker 2: what that really looks like and how to actually achieve that,
Speaker 2: which a very little thought is being put towards among
Speaker 2: the American left right now, And it kind of it
Speaker 2: falls back on these like reflective or like contemplative statements.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there have been proposals put forward for a long
Speaker 3: time on what it would look like to create better
Speaker 3: legal pathways and fewer deportations, right, like those who existed. Sure,
Speaker 3: like you can look specifically at what people were trying
Speaker 3: to get Biden to do in twenty twenty, right, which
Speaker 3: he obviously completely failed to do and in effect made
Speaker 3: things much worse. But like, those policy proposals exist, and
Speaker 3: they're well thought out and well planned from people who've
Speaker 3: been working into space for decades. Right, Dannie can do
Speaker 3: is like what they call in political science, like the
Speaker 3: coattails effect totally right, as a very popular candidate, people
Speaker 3: can ride on his coattails I think it's important in
Speaker 3: that sense that he continues rhetorically to oppose what Ice
Speaker 3: is doing, which like that statement you read did right,
Speaker 3: But it's very important that he if he's able to
Speaker 3: successfully have his administration in New York, and we will
Speaker 3: see how shit goes in that regard, but if he
Speaker 3: is and there is an electoral project that can arise
Speaker 3: based on that, then like it is very important that
Speaker 3: they remain in lockstep that like, we are not going back.
Speaker 3: We're not going to have a Democrat come president in
Speaker 3: twenty eight and just do a Joe Biden again right
Speaker 3: where things get worse. So in that sense, I think
Speaker 3: it like it needs to be something that everyone in
Speaker 3: that movement retains. I guess, like not uniformity is the
Speaker 3: wrong word, you know, but you know what I mean
Speaker 3: literally that it continues to be something of a norse
Speaker 3: staff for whatever is emerging to the left of the DNC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I also, like I guess clarify some
Speaker 2: things I would have said last week and not claiming
Speaker 2: that sheerly the the process of honoring these detainers will
Speaker 2: like vaguely in a causal sense, results in less ice
Speaker 2: raids in the city. I mean these detainers are they
Speaker 2: are legally required, even unders sanctuary laws, to be to
Speaker 2: be followed. And I think part of what Zora was
Speaker 2: doing was trying to redirect the president's thought away from
Speaker 2: these larger raids to these specific serious crimes. And I
Speaker 2: think in some of this is based on Trump kind
Speaker 2: of has like the last person in the room syndrome
Speaker 2: off He kind of just likes or or follows or
Speaker 2: parrots whoever the last person in the room was. And
Speaker 2: like what they've told him, I'm not saying that like
Speaker 2: honoring these these legally required detainers is like is simply
Speaker 2: harmon direction in that sense. This is more so in
Speaker 2: reference to the ongoing negotiations between Momdani and Trump to
Speaker 2: limit ICE action in the city outside of these detainer requests,
Speaker 2: which do address serious crime. Which Trump and Mom Donnie
Speaker 2: saw as a point of commonality on is they want
Speaker 2: New York to be a safe place for people, focusing
Speaker 2: on that as opposed to these general ICE raids. And
Speaker 2: there's been like some slight movement on this. Raids have continued,
Speaker 2: but there's been slight movement in terms of Trump, at
Speaker 2: least for now, pulling out of his plans to deploy
Speaker 2: National Guard to assist ICE, and like that is the
Speaker 2: single point where we see some movement on and this
Speaker 2: will be something that in terms of raids like on
Speaker 2: Conall Street. Well, we'll see if this actually makes a
Speaker 2: larger impact once he takes office and continues these negotiations.
Speaker 3: If National Guard or assisting ICE, is that like because
Speaker 3: they can't directly do the immigration enforcement right, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean assisting ICE in the way that they have washed
Speaker 2: in DC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like in terms of like quot unquote protecting officers
Speaker 3: or quote yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know the proposals to do so in Chicago
Speaker 2: and Portland, which are cotton like legal limbo. But I
Speaker 2: mean that the Portland was more specifically for the ICE facility.
Speaker 3: Yeah, protecting federal building this kind of deal, versus in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. They were like on patrol with ICE, Like
Speaker 3: they were like roving around and doing roadblocks and shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like much of this quote unquote crime crackdown,
Speaker 2: as bridgets reported on our show, really is actually a
Speaker 2: way to do like enhanced immigration enforcement. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of fear in New York and discussions with people
Speaker 2: in New York and like how are we going to
Speaker 2: handle this happening here. Yeah, and this is like the
Speaker 2: one point of movement that we've seen is Trump pulling
Speaker 2: out of these plans which previously were quite certain. He
Speaker 2: wants to like go one by one and like invade
Speaker 2: these cities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, New York. You also have the like the added
Speaker 3: factor that like New York is technically in that border
Speaker 3: enforcement zone, right, so I mean as is Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess most of these places have been Chicago, Portland
Speaker 3: is Los Angeles is because of the Licton and Los
Speaker 3: Angeles they deployed border patrol. Right Now, that's another thing
Speaker 3: that it could happen in New York, but like thus
Speaker 3: far hasn't on a massive scale. But yeah, it remains
Speaker 3: to be seen. Right, Like, Trump has this like operation
Speaker 3: at Large that Boveno controls that he could deploy to
Speaker 3: New York and it'll be yeah, provided to Boston, where
Speaker 3: Michelle Bouch has like taken a different approach, right Like,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I guess we'll we'll have to continue waiting
Speaker 3: and seeing. It's really heartening to me that people showed
Speaker 3: up in New York as well, you know, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that people in New York showed up on Canal Street
Speaker 3: like that is uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and prevented ICE from doing any detentions or arrests.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think like they, like the ICE eventually
Speaker 3: had to leave to New Jersey, Is that right, Like
Speaker 3: they had to go through the tunnel or whatever, like
Speaker 3: the tunnel, yeah, the Tunnel of Shame. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 3: like that that is like that is what kept those
Speaker 3: people safe, rightly. They didn't have to wait for Eric
Speaker 3: Adams or Mandanni or anyone else, like it was members
Speaker 3: of their community.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is cool talking of commune ease to want
Speaker 3: to talk about the campus campus community and have freedom
Speaker 3: of speech. He's under threat on our campuses.
Speaker 2: Well, freedom of religion is under threat, James, Okay, religion to.
Speaker 3: Freedom to so tired, fed to tire, to cite a
Speaker 3: vibe space interpretation of the religion.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, this unfortunately, this story did infringe upon
Speaker 2: my freedom to not read horrible college essays Garrison.
Speaker 3: That is a freedom that I have not had for
Speaker 3: many years.
Speaker 2: No, no, and this is why I interested in your
Speaker 2: thoughts on this. A transgraduate instructor has been suspended from
Speaker 2: the University of Oklahoma after issuing a failing grade to
Speaker 2: a students assignment right a six hundred and fifty word
Speaker 2: response to a study on if gender conformity is linked
Speaker 2: to popularity or bullying in middle school. This twenty year
Speaker 2: old psychology major a junior, wrote in her response that
Speaker 2: she does not consider bullying a problem because quote God
Speaker 2: made male and female and made us different from each
Speaker 2: other on purpose and for a purpose unquote. The response
Speaker 2: was entirely personal opinion. It does not even properly cite
Speaker 2: specific like scriptures in the Bible. If, like, if I
Speaker 2: was to write like an unhinged like like a Christian response,
Speaker 2: least the least you could do is site specific things.
Speaker 2: Should that be valid?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: But even this was not done.
Speaker 1: It's like Bible fanfic.
Speaker 3: These are the vibes I get from Genus.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she just gestured her own interpretation of biblical gender.
Speaker 1: Roles, right sure, sure.
Speaker 2: Quote women naturally want to do womanly things because God
Speaker 2: created us with those womanly desires in our heart unquote.
Speaker 3: So she's women and like like females. I guess maybe
Speaker 3: maybe she was going for a It's.
Speaker 2: It's all circular reasoning like this all based on based
Speaker 2: on these like biblical gender roles and later, the essay
Speaker 2: goes on to self contradict itself ideas of gender norms
Speaker 2: versus gender stereotypes, and it's all just very poorly written. Names.
Speaker 2: Did you read the whole essay? No, okay, it's not
Speaker 2: it's not long. We are not going to read it
Speaker 2: all on air. I'll read it right now. I want
Speaker 2: you to read the whole thing and just just give
Speaker 2: me your immediate thoughts. I dropped it in the zoom chat.
Speaker 3: You have to understand that I might experience like what's
Speaker 3: called a trauma reaction.
Speaker 2: It's only two pages.
Speaker 3: So it's based on a review of an article, based
Speaker 3: on a review of an academic study. Yeah, on if
Speaker 3: gender conformity impacts bullying or popularity in middle school. Okay,
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, that's what she said, but not yet she
Speaker 3: has excited him specifically. No, she never said Jesus yeah God,
Speaker 3: mm hm ah hell yeah. I love it when they
Speaker 3: get into like Hebrew. Oh yeah, yeah, yes, I'm just
Speaker 3: getting a penulta paragraph. Yeah, what class is this in psychology?
Speaker 3: A psychology course? I'm would assign this for a psychology close.
Speaker 1: Uh wow yeah, can I just read like the last
Speaker 1: part out loud?
Speaker 2: Okay, Sophia, you can you can read the last part.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My prayer for the world and specifically for American
Speaker 1: society and youth is that they would not believe the
Speaker 1: lies being spread from Satan that make them believe they're
Speaker 1: better off as another gender than what God made them.
Speaker 1: I pray that they feel God's love and acceptance as
Speaker 1: who He originally created them to be.
Speaker 3: So if you ready inhabited that role beautifully.
Speaker 1: Like thank you, thank you previously and like the paragraph
Speaker 1: of four, do you want me to do it?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I unfortunately feel like I could really embody this horrific person.
Speaker 1: Society pushing the live that there are multiple genders and
Speaker 1: everyone should be whatever they want to be is demonic
Speaker 1: It severely harms American youth. I do not want kids
Speaker 1: to be teased bullying stuff.
Speaker 2: Yet, So, James, as a college college professor, what is
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3: It's just a bad response to the question right that
Speaker 3: there is not a single citation the person has not
Speaker 3: done what they were instructed to do. They have just
Speaker 3: it's a classic example of that you have answered the
Speaker 3: question you wanted me to ask, not the question I
Speaker 3: have asked. Genre Sure, and in this case, Like, I'm
Speaker 3: presuming there was some kind of rubric for grading, Like
Speaker 3: it seems like a like a the sort of assignment
Speaker 3: that you would set once a week, right. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's an online course or they're just using
Speaker 3: an online LMS, but the comment is clearly from an
Speaker 3: online LMS.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have the rubrick and that TPUSA published.
Speaker 2: The rubrick was that you must write this six hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty word reaction demonstrating that you have read the
Speaker 2: assigned article and includes a thoughtful reaction to the material
Speaker 2: presented in the article. Please remember that your reaction paper
Speaker 2: should not be a summary, but rather a thoughtful discussion
Speaker 2: of some aspect of the article. Possible approaches to reaction
Speaker 2: papers include a discussion of why you feel the topic
Speaker 2: is important and worthy of study or not, or an
Speaker 2: application of the study or results to your own experiences.
Speaker 3: That's a broader prompt than I had otherwise imagined.
Speaker 2: Other section is Reaction papers are graded on a twenty
Speaker 2: five point scale and are evaluated based on the following
Speaker 2: Does the paper show a clear tie to the assigned
Speaker 2: article ten points? Does paper present a thoughtful reaction or
Speaker 2: response to the article rather than a summary ten points
Speaker 2: and is the paper clearly written five points? The best
Speaker 2: reaction papers illustrate the students have read the assigned materials
Speaker 2: and engaged in critical thinking about some aspect of the article.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the way you would do that is
Speaker 3: to reference the article more than in the first line
Speaker 3: of your paper and then never again, right sure, which
Speaker 3: is what this person has done here. Look, at no
Speaker 3: point do they quote from the article mention anything specifically
Speaker 3: the article says, other than that it was very thought provoking,
Speaker 3: and then like they've seen the word gender and just
Speaker 3: gone off like a dog after a squirrel, right like, yes,
Speaker 3: and then completely gone off on one about god. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty broad prompt. It's broader than I would
Speaker 3: generally write a prompt, but that's okay with different approaches.
Speaker 3: They haven't specifically said in the prompt that they want
Speaker 3: people to cite their sources, which I normally do. But yeah,
Speaker 3: they haven't really shown any engagement with the article.
Speaker 2: Right like, this isn't a freshman, this isn't a software
Speaker 2: this is this is a junior well well into this semester.
Speaker 2: The response from the instructor was quote, please note I'm
Speaker 2: not deducting points because you have certain beliefs, but instead
Speaker 2: I'm deducting points where you're posting a reaction paper that
Speaker 2: does not answer the questions for the assignment to contradicts itself,
Speaker 2: heavily uses personal ideology over empirical evidence in a scientific class,
Speaker 2: and is at time offensive. While you are entitled to
Speaker 2: your own personal beliefs, there is an appropriate time or
Speaker 2: place to implement them in your reflections. I encourage all
Speaker 2: students to question or challenge the course material with other
Speaker 2: empirical findings or testable hypotheses, but using your own personal
Speaker 2: beliefs to argue against the findings of not only this article,
Speaker 2: but the findings of countless articles across the echology, biology, sociology,
Speaker 2: et cetera is not best practice. Unquote yeah, so again
Speaker 2: this is a science class. I guess right late, Like,
Speaker 2: this is not a scientific response. It is, Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: entirely vibes based before becoming a national news story. This
Speaker 2: grade was reviewed and approved by another instructor. This isn't
Speaker 2: just one instructor who happens to be trans This isn't
Speaker 2: just their personal grade. This was reviewed by another instructor.
Speaker 2: But on Thanksgiving TPUSA used this story to start a
Speaker 2: media blitz targeting this quote unquote mentally ill professor, this
Speaker 2: graduate student instructor, which is resulted in her being placed
Speaker 2: on leave as the university reviews this incident concerning illegal
Speaker 2: discrimination based on religious beliefs.
Speaker 3: That's not what that is, right, Like, like, I have
Speaker 3: watched the short form video about discrimination many times of
Speaker 3: my years instructing students, and like, this person wasn't discriminated
Speaker 3: against because of their beliefs. They were discriminated. They weren't
Speaker 3: discriminated against. So they were graded for their response which
Speaker 3: was poor.
Speaker 2: For failing to follow the rules of these and again
Speaker 2: not not even as like a freshman who needs more
Speaker 2: clear like you know, first year uniche, Like no, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is this is a psychology major in
Speaker 2: her junior year. Yeah, writing this response as a part
Speaker 2: of it as a part of a pscientic as a
Speaker 2: scientific psychology course where it's not about science at all.
Speaker 2: You're just talking about your own impression of what God
Speaker 2: wants out of gender roles and citing not not even citing,
Speaker 2: but like pointing towards the Holy Spirit and the Heavenly Father.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some Hebrew shit that you've translated. I know
Speaker 3: that most instructors who teach at universities now are very
Speaker 3: concerned about exactly this, right, about a student writing a
Speaker 3: paper which is just bad and then them going to
Speaker 3: the pretty much tp USA SpeI right and being like, yes,
Speaker 3: it came against me because they hate Jesus. And I
Speaker 3: can imagine that that is worse for trans in genderal
Speaker 3: conforming and otherwise absolutely instructors from conversations right, like.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, and like TPUSA first gained popularity for its
Speaker 2: like professor watch lists where people could report their like
Speaker 2: woke liberal professors. And this is this is the core
Speaker 2: part of the TPUSA model, is attacking academics and people
Speaker 2: who work in university in this instants like cause speculation
Speaker 2: of like how much of this essay was genuine versus
Speaker 2: was this intentionally bad essay to provoke this response, which
Speaker 2: we can't we can't wonder that. But the student has
Speaker 2: like risen to the ranks of like a minor conservative
Speaker 2: celebrity in these in these past two weeks, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: of this incident and is doing like TPUSA like speaking
Speaker 2: speaking appearances, news appearances. There's been dozens of articles across
Speaker 2: right wing outlets on this. It's it's turned into a
Speaker 2: legitimate story for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to say, well, like it appears Garrison,
Speaker 3: I discussed this before, but it appears that this person
Speaker 3: is a grad student and not like a ten year
Speaker 3: professor adjunct, Yes, certainly not tenured right, Sure, therefore they
Speaker 3: are much more vulnerable and they have many fewer protections
Speaker 3: than a tenured professor would have. I don't know if
Speaker 3: they unionize. It depends on where they're teaching, right, but.
Speaker 2: Like University of Oklahoma, that is questionable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean possibilities points to know, But like, this
Speaker 3: is area is fucking problem for anybody teaching in these fields, right,
Speaker 3: especially graduate students. Like I say especially, I mean imagine
Speaker 3: you're a graduate student on a student visa, right, Like,
Speaker 3: how do you approach teaching this when you know that
Speaker 3: you could end up on the TPUSA instagram.
Speaker 2: It's trying to chill speech, right, This is this is
Speaker 2: part of what they're doing. They're turning this into a
Speaker 2: free speech crusade for religious discrimination. But what this is
Speaker 2: actually doing is chilling speech at universities by making it
Speaker 2: so you can't teach certain topics, especially if you happen
Speaker 2: to be trans to yourself. Otherwise, tepa USA in the
Speaker 2: right wing media system is going to turn your life
Speaker 2: into a living nightmare.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've repeatedly seen a First Amendment cited ref to this.
Speaker 3: This has not got anything to do with the First Amendment. Like,
Speaker 3: the First Amendment doesn't give you the right to get
Speaker 3: a good grade for saying what the fuck you want?
Speaker 3: That's that's not in the First Amendment. But yeah, like
Speaker 3: Garrison said, it is chilling speech. Good news. Oklahoma University
Speaker 3: Workers United is a union sick okay, cool, and it
Speaker 3: includes grad student instructors unclear okay? Hit us up oh
Speaker 3: uwu and let us know before we close.
Speaker 2: I do want to mention another story that's happened this
Speaker 2: week which is gonna prompt of a future episode probably
Speaker 2: next week. The online gambling platform cals I've never said
Speaker 2: it before. I'm saying Calshi has that a serial partnered
Speaker 2: with c Kashi. I you don't even know what you're
Speaker 2: talking about anymore, But the online gambling platform cal she
Speaker 2: is partnered with CNN and CNBC this past week to
Speaker 2: allow the news companies to use quote unquote real time
Speaker 2: prediction data for TV news segments and online content. This
Speaker 2: is not entirely surprising if people have been watching CNN
Speaker 2: like I have, like a complete maniac. Because specifically this
Speaker 2: this past November and like this whole election season, news
Speaker 2: pundits on CNN have been using betting odds in place
Speaker 2: of polling data to weigh the likelihood of candidate's winning elections.
Speaker 2: This has become an increasingly common practice, specifically at CNN,
Speaker 2: and now it appears spreading to other news platforms like CNBC.
Speaker 2: How she announcement of the CNN partnership reads quote. CNN
Speaker 2: chief data analyst Harry Enton is an expert in translating
Speaker 2: what data and polling are saying on any given issue,
Speaker 2: and through this integration, he can tap into real time
Speaker 2: prediction markets data to better inform and fact check his reporting.
Speaker 2: Unquote what fact checking his reporting with gambling data? Gambling
Speaker 2: odds from people who are betting on like if people
Speaker 2: are going to starve in Gaza?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: This is this is the sort of stuff that they
Speaker 2: bet on on. Caliche, not just who wins elections. Absurd Jesus,
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: That you've pronounced the day of this company several.
Speaker 2: Different see I used to call it Kelly, this is
Speaker 2: the problem.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's Calshi. I think I
Speaker 3: think Calshi is correct. There's one possible benefit to this.
Speaker 3: Will it stop Nate Silva being so fucking annoying? No,
Speaker 3: It'll cause them to be more annoying games. How can
Speaker 3: you not see that?
Speaker 2: This is this is a part of the nay cerverification
Speaker 2: of everything God and this this is what I want
Speaker 2: to talk about in the full piece. But but no,
Speaker 2: there was there was a Sena news segment in October
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five where this data analyst talked about how
Speaker 2: the odds of Democrats winning the midterms are going down
Speaker 2: via citing the Calshi odds, and then he did like
Speaker 2: three minutes of analysis using selective midterm voting data from
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen to support the movement in
Speaker 2: the gambling odds. Like that was the core piece of data.
Speaker 2: He was trying to explain, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: How big is this marketplace?
Speaker 2: Pretty big?
Speaker 3: Pretty big? Okay? So I couldn't just come in with
Speaker 3: like five hundred bucks and tip it.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean it depends on what you're doing
Speaker 2: for Like these sorts of big these like big races. Know,
Speaker 2: but part of the real problem is is if you're
Speaker 2: just tuning in to CNN and reading the graphics, it's
Speaker 2: really hard to tell that this that these are gambling ods.
Speaker 2: You're just seeing big percentages and they're only gonna mention
Speaker 2: that it's from quote unquote betting markets or prediction markets
Speaker 2: like once at the beginning of the segment. After that
Speaker 2: they treat the numbers like actual polling data. So it's
Speaker 2: really really manipulative. And unless you're like super paying attention
Speaker 2: to this whole segment, it'd be very easy to interpret
Speaker 2: these gambling numbers as genuine as genuine poll information. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's incredibly dangerous to democracy and uh overall kind of
Speaker 2: bad and fucked up, and it's gonna be spreading.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Calshi competitor poly Market partnered with X the Everything
Speaker 2: app and Yahoo Financed earlier this year to integrate their
Speaker 2: quote unquote prediction data into content on X and Yahoo Finance.
Speaker 2: It's only going to become more and more common.
Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna do a long form episode on this.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this sucks. I'm just looking at this website now.
Speaker 1: It sucks. I don't like this at all.
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