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Speaker 1: Also media.

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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today

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Speaker 2: and joined by James Stout and Sophie Lichterman. This episode,

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Speaker 2: we are covering the week of November twenty fourth to

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Speaker 2: December fourth, an extra long week. Somehow they squeezed a

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Speaker 2: few more days in there to open us up. James,

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Speaker 2: what are some what are some important small stories we

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Speaker 2: don't want to overlook?

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, a lot because of our extra long week, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The United States is flying manned ISR flights over Nigeria

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Speaker 3: and possibly parts of the Sahel as well. It's not

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Speaker 3: entirely clear because the flights kind of go dark once

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Speaker 3: they take off. Sources familiar with the matter have suggested

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Speaker 3: that you AV strikes might begin soon. It seems that

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Speaker 3: the ISR flights are targeting ISWAP and j and I.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna write about this on my Patreon, probably because

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Speaker 3: I think it requires visuals and I think it's it's

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Speaker 3: too much to go into in depth here, But if

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Speaker 3: you want to check that out, you can.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain some of those acronyms.

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Speaker 3: No, I just love to fight. It's great when you

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Speaker 3: report on military ship because it's just a wall of acronyms. Okay,

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Speaker 3: IR flights, These are intelligence flights, right, intelligence surveillance reconnaissance.

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Speaker 3: I believe it's an acronym. They're looking for stuff for

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Speaker 3: ua V. On manned aerial vehicle, there's a gender neutral

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Speaker 3: term and I can't remember unpiloted aerial vehicle walk is

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Speaker 3: back hard. That's the bid nearer thing, right when you

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Speaker 3: get killed by an n agatable drone. But it's gender neutral.

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Speaker 3: The it's what that's the Islamic State willie in that

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Speaker 3: part of the world, so like Province, West Africa Province.

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Speaker 3: I think it stands for.

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Speaker 2: These are the targets of these flights and.

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Speaker 3: Strikes and Jay and I am being another jahardest group

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Speaker 3: that is not associated with the so called Islamic State.

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Speaker 3: Got it?

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Speaker 1: Got it? Wow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, hit you with another acronym, A foyer.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we know that.

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Speaker 3: One fire by the Cato Institute has revealed that the

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Speaker 3: FBI under Biden was investigating the SRA that's a socialist

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Speaker 3: rifle association. It didn't bring charges against any of the members,

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Speaker 3: but it did apparently investigate him for some time. Finally,

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Speaker 3: the National Park Service has announced a new fee schedule

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Speaker 3: and quote unquote modernized graphics for passes.

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Speaker 1: Is this the horrific image you sent us?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a picture of Donald Trump. Yeah, that's how

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Speaker 3: they've modernized it. It's it's not very nice. I I

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Speaker 3: know there are better things in the parks. I feel like, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, half Dome is nice. The Yosemite Valley, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: pretty cool. Shit in wrangle sint Elias that you could

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Speaker 1: That's like him trying to rename that East Institute after himself.

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Speaker 1: He just keeps trying to put his face and name

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Speaker 1: on everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, when you're a dying man, legacy becomes very important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, But that's exactly it. The US Institute

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Speaker 1: of Peace is being renamed for Trump.

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Speaker 3: Really Yeah, oh I know, I miss that. Great cool.

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Speaker 1: It's feeling very similar to that, whether he's just putting

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So two things, right, electronic passes for parks its

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Speaker 3: phoby a good thing, and a hundred dollars up charge

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Speaker 3: to citizens in the eleven most popular parks.

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Speaker 1: How can they even check that?

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Speaker 2: I might just ask like this, this sounds like a

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Speaker 3: To be clear, other countries do this. I still think

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Speaker 3: it's bad. Like some of the Grand Canyon is part

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Speaker 3: National Park Service itself is an exercise in set colonialism.

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Speaker 3: But we can talk about that forever. Yeah, I've seen

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Speaker 2: Speaking of big changes, a pretty big update in a

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Speaker 2: case that has lasted nearly five years. This morning, Thursday,

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Speaker 2: December fourth, a suspect was arrested in connection to the

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Speaker 2: This suspect has been identified as thirty year old Brian

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Speaker 2: Cole Junior, from a Woodbridge, Virginia. Federal law enforcement sources

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Speaker 2: have had quote unquote anarchist leanings unquote. This could mean anything, right,

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Speaker 2: This could be anything from like anti government, violent extremism

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Speaker 2: like militia movement type extremism, boogaloo boys, accelerationist, as well

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Speaker 2: like some some background, This arrest does partially discredit a

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Speaker 2: report from The Blaze, which Robert has talked about on

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Speaker 2: this show before, which falsely identified a former Capitol police

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if they prosecute someone else, the Blaze is going

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Speaker 2: So I would imagine the critical support to former Capital

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Speaker 2: one out for Glenn Beck. But this suspect that lives

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Speaker 2: at a home associated with both their parents. It's unclear

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Speaker 2: if their parents are still married. Suspect's dad runs a

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Speaker 2: worked for, and the mom is a real estate agent.

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Speaker 2: Not much online presence can be found yet on Brian

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Speaker 2: Cole Junior. I've spent hours looking and so far not

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Speaker 2: much there. But we'll see if that changes over time.

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Speaker 1: A developing story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll do a whole episode if it marriage

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Speaker 3: it later, I guess sure. Talking of terrible indictment, Garrison,

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Speaker 3: would you like to hear about a terrible indictment out

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say yes, but no, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if i'd like to for what reasons. I feel like

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Speaker 3: Two Texas men have been indicted for a plan to

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Speaker 1: What I'm sorry? What?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a wild one. The indictment

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Speaker 3: says they we hope to quote lead an unlawful expeditionary

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Speaker 3: their rape fantasies. Weisinberg and Thomas plan to purchase a sailboat,

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Speaker 3: as say invader Gnave Island and stage Acudaita. Weisenberg and

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Speaker 3: Thomas intended to murder all of the men on the

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Speaker 3: they hope to recruit unhoused people to service merceries.

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Speaker 1: This is absolutely insane. Who are who are these two

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Speaker 3: Right, it's borderline something I considered not including because like

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Speaker 3: the people are probably pretty unwell. It seems like are they.

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Speaker 1: Just obsessed with like Eric Prince, Like I don't, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if the guy hadn't passed all the background

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Speaker 3: this would be less remarkable. Right, but while planning to

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Speaker 3: it's all in an indictment. We don't know what the

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Speaker 1: Well, that was disturbing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild one. I guess we'll keep you informed.

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Speaker 4: What Garson Garrison I like, I like can't even compute,

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Speaker 4: Like that's one of the most insane things I've heard

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Speaker 2: Well, first of economic news, let's has thrown to tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Let's glow to tariff. Talk with me A.

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Speaker 5: Rocky jazz rocking jazz boar Lock, rocky jazz, rocky jazz bock.

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Speaker 6: This is me a wong with tariff talk. So obviously,

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Speaker 6: the biggest tariff news right now is the impending Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court ruling on the legality of a broad swath of

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Speaker 6: the terroriffts that Trump has imposed using unbelievably dubious legal

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Speaker 6: is so patently illegal. It is an astounding demonstration of

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Speaker 6: terms of the opposition, which is that Costco has become

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Speaker 6: try to recoup the money that they've spent on these tariffs,

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Speaker 6: because if the Supreme Court ruling like overturns the legality

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Speaker 6: Costco is the biggest company we've seen so far short

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Speaker 6: of moved to attempt to do this remedy to the courts.

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Speaker 6: So we will, we will, we will keep an eye

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Speaker 6: especially if this comes overturned, we're going to see a

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Speaker 6: oh these are going to fund the like two thousand

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Speaker 6: about And this is the you know, this is an

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Speaker 6: old sort of right wing thing. But he's talking about

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Speaker 6: how oh, terriff's revenue is going to replace income tax,

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Speaker 6: which no, it's not like I just nonsense, gibberish numbers

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Speaker 6: This was his big thing in twenty twenty, is big.

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Speaker 3: I missed a pot. I missed a pot. Okay, do

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Speaker 2: This is the Texas many why's been made the island?

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Speaker 2: How are they making money?

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Speaker 1: Crypto?

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Speaker 3: No, it's worse than that.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, manipulating camgirls.

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Speaker 3: In a sense it appears they were producing child sexual

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Speaker 3: So good times, good times in the air the Air Force.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can't. I can't believe the Air Force

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Speaker 2: First blaze on our proud and Laurie is Air Force.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the biggest national news story kicked off the day

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Speaker 2: A twenty nine year old man, Romanula Locknwall is charged

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Speaker 2: According to a volunteer who worked with his family, Blockenwall's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he seems to be behaving in a way that,

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Speaker 3: but both the pathways that are opened to Afghan people, right,

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Speaker 3: SIV has some benefits, but also it had some different

436
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Speaker 3: things so that they'd have to jump through, Like one

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Speaker 3: of them would be a believe to get an officer

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Speaker 3: to write a recommendation and maybe CIA folks on into

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Speaker 3: doing that. So following this, the US immediately began to

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Speaker 3: call for a crackdown on Afghan migrants, and as we'll

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Speaker 3: see more broadly on migrants. I think it's important to

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Speaker 3: contextualize this globally because it's part of a crackdown on

443
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Speaker 3: a nation which has seen nearly half a century of war. Right.

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Speaker 3: Ninety percent of the ten million people who fled Afghanistan

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Speaker 3: reside in Pakistan or Iran. I've reported on this before

446
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Speaker 3: on this show, but Iran has deported more than a

447
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Speaker 3: million Afghan people since twenty twenty three, right, and they

448
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Speaker 3: have very few pathways to permanent residency anywhere. Among refugees,

449
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Speaker 3: Afghan people have it particularly difficult. On Tuesday, the us

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Speaker 3: CIS Citizenship and Immigration Services issued a memo ordering its

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Speaker 3: employees to place on hold all asylum, green card and

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Speaker 3: citizenship form applications from quote unquote high risk countries and

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Speaker 3: to investigate all arrivals from them since twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: They are also placing a hold on all forms I

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Speaker 3: five eight nine, which is the application for asylum and

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Speaker 3: for withholding of removal, regardless of where the person is from.

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Speaker 3: So we have this specific halt on asylum for Afghan nationals.

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Speaker 3: That comes first, and then following that we have these

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Speaker 3: nineteen high risk countries. The high risk countries are listed

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Speaker 3: in Presidential Proclamation one oh nine four nine, which was

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Speaker 3: issue back in June. I'll just read out the name,

462
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Speaker 3: so people who are aware, Aganistan, Burma, Chad, Republic of

463
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Speaker 3: the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Barundi, Cuba, Laos,

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Speaker 3: Sierra Leone, Togo, Tookmenistan, and Venezuela. If you recall us

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Speaker 3: covering this back then you will remember that the reason

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Speaker 3: cited in that proclamation is percentage of visa overstays. This

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Speaker 3: doesn't have anything to do with risk, right, other than

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Speaker 3: risk of overstaying one's visa. They do not justify the

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Speaker 3: inclusion of these countries based on the potential for people

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Speaker 3: there to do terrorism, right, at least not all of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's worth pointing out. I guess that percentages visa overstates

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Speaker 3: isn't that useful of a figure, because if you have

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Speaker 3: ten people and one over stays, then that's only one person.

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Speaker 3: But it's also a ten percent overstay rate, right, So

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Speaker 3: it doesn't look at like raw numbers. Nonetheless, this would

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Speaker 3: mean from the way I'm reading it, that any application

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Speaker 3: with these people on it might be paused. So that

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Speaker 3: could include like if someone had applied to have a

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Speaker 3: spouse or family member come over and obtain legal status,

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Speaker 3: right or if someone was sponsoring someone, or they were

481
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Speaker 3: a duel national they're like a Borndian American for example.

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Speaker 3: We will see how long this lasts. Trump has previously

483
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Speaker 3: failed to get a total asylent ban, but for the meantime,

484
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Speaker 3: like this is catastrophic for people attempting to seek asylum

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Speaker 3: or permanent residency in the US. The only sort of

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Speaker 3: upside that I can see on upside, but like you know,

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Speaker 3: not terrible thing is that I don't think this would

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Speaker 3: pause the work permit clock. So people have been listening

489
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Speaker 3: to my series this week, they will have learned about

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Speaker 3: the work permit clock. Right, Because this is a government action,

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Speaker 3: non action from individuals, I don't think it would pause

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Speaker 3: that clock. I guess to just wrap up the migrant

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Speaker 3: crackdown stuff, Trump announced via a truth that quote, I am,

494
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Speaker 3: as President of the United States here by terminating, effective immediately,

495
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Speaker 3: the Temporary Protected Status program for Somalis in Minnesota. In

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Speaker 3: the Thanksgiving message, he also repeated a number of claims

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Speaker 3: about migrants and used a slurt to described him Walls. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he called him R word, and I think it is

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Speaker 3: worth saying. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He has reiterated this multiple times on camera when Aspire reporters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great stuff.

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Speaker 2: And this is specifically in reference to reporting which has

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Speaker 2: come out of Minnesota about a series of like fraudulent

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Speaker 2: claims based on like COVID nineteen food and housing assistance

505
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Speaker 2: programs this state was running, and people who were abusing

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Speaker 2: those programs for their own financial benefit, and some of

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Speaker 2: these specific instances are now being used to attack the

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Speaker 2: entire Somali community in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's worth noting that the percentage of the Somali

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Speaker 3: community which is on TPS is very small. It's probably

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Speaker 3: a few hundred people. I don't know how those COVID

512
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Speaker 3: assistance programs like overlap with once immigration status, right, but

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Speaker 3: it's worth noting that. It's also worth noting, like I've

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Speaker 3: linked to the statue in the show notes, the Somali

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Speaker 3: TPS extends until March of twenty twenty six. It probably

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Speaker 3: won't be renewed then, right, that's what the Trump administration

517
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Speaker 3: has been doing, is sunsetting TPS is for all kinds

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Speaker 3: of people. The statute does not give the president power

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Speaker 3: to end the TPS, certainly not on a state by

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Speaker 3: state basis. Right, Yeah, that's a good point. The notice

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Speaker 3: of revocation would appear in the Federal Register, and the

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Speaker 3: TPS would then have sixty days if it was being revoked,

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Speaker 3: that people would have sixty days to act on that information. Right,

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Speaker 3: you can't just post it. That's not how this works.

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Speaker 3: As of today, when I check the Federal Register, the

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Speaker 3: last entry for the Somali TPS with its renewal last year.

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Speaker 3: So there appears to have been no actual legal action

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Speaker 3: taken on this. But nonetheless there has been ICE enforcement. Right.

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Speaker 3: There are videos of ICE officers specifically asking people if

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Speaker 3: they are Somali in Minnesota, which is troubling. I think

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Speaker 3: that's about all the ICE crackdown stuff. I have guess

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Speaker 3: Greg Bavino's in Louisiana. No, So, there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: of discussion this week and House hearings about the drone

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Speaker 3: strike that began the United States campaign of drone strikes

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Speaker 3: against small boats in both the Caribbean and the Pacific, right,

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Speaker 3: so called narco terrorists jam, yeah, so yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: so called is doing a lot of work there. There

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Speaker 3: seems to be a lot of debate about whether Pete

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Speaker 3: Hegscess directly ordered a second strike on survivors from the

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Speaker 3: first strike. Excess had denied this, saying, quote, the thing

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Speaker 3: was on fire and it exploded. You can't see anything.

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Speaker 3: This is called the fog of war.

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Speaker 2: That's not the fog before yet. It's nobody means you're

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Speaker 2: not at war.

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Speaker 3: You're in a suit in a room watching a TV screen.

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Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't revert to like literal smoke edge fog.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is like absurd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a ludicrous claim, right. Yeah. There have been

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Speaker 3: times where I have been in places like for instance,

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Speaker 3: I was in Java a couple of years ago and

551
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Speaker 3: we were being bombed. Right the way for me to

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Speaker 3: get information it was better for me to like go

553
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Speaker 3: online and find stuff because the access to information on

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Speaker 3: the ground in conflict times can be difficult. That's not

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Speaker 3: the case when you're in DC watching a screen readout right.

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Speaker 3: That is why we have people who are not in

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Speaker 3: combat making these decisions. The White House has claimed that

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Speaker 3: Admiral Bradley, who was JSOCK commander at the time, ordered

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Speaker 3: the strike. Cotton today claimed that two people in the

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Speaker 3: video were trying to roll the boat to get back

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Speaker 3: in the fight. What that's not a thing that one

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Speaker 3: can do. Like they're not in Just to be clear,

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Speaker 3: they're not in like a kayak here, Like this is

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Speaker 3: in what I would call a cigarette boat, like a

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Speaker 3: fast speedboat. You can't roll those like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand they were not engaged in combat.

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Speaker 3: No, Like I don't see any evidence that these people

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Speaker 3: were equipped to like certainly not to fight against a drone. Right.

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Speaker 2: No, why does this matter? Right? Because these people are

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Speaker 2: dead regardless. Yeah, Why does the emphasis on this second

571
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Speaker 2: strike matter more than simply attacking them the first time?

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Speaker 2: Why is could this result in haig Seth being in

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Speaker 2: a degree of trouble? Why are there so defensive about

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Speaker 2: the second strike?

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Speaker 3: Fair question. It is a very clear violation of the

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Speaker 3: US military's own Law of War manual, which I have

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Speaker 3: linked and the Geneva Conventions to kill someone who's demonstrably

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Speaker 3: or to combat right out of combat i e. A

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Speaker 3: shipwrecked sailor, i e. A wounded soldier who's thrown away

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Speaker 3: their weapon. These people were very clearly not fighting. From

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Speaker 3: every report that we've seen, this has been part of

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Speaker 3: the way that war is conducted for centuries, like picking

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Speaker 3: up shipwrecked sailors after sinking about, etc. I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: this has always happened. The US has done double tap

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Speaker 3: strikes for a long time. Yeah, there has been I

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Speaker 3: should just clarify. I guess there has been some debate

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Speaker 3: about the Semana takes of the word double tap. First

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Speaker 3: of all, that's not important. What is important is that

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Speaker 3: they killed people who were not fighting, who are out

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Speaker 3: of combat, and who are clinging to a burning shipwrecked boat.

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Speaker 3: A double tap does generally refer to a strike and

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Speaker 3: then a subsequent strike which is focused on killing the

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Speaker 3: people who came to rescue the people hitting the first strike.

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Speaker 3: There was no one to rescue these people. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think that, like, that's not what's at stake here, right,

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Speaker 3: That is, it doesn't matter what term we use to

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Speaker 3: describe this other than war crime. There were double tap

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Speaker 3: strikes at the time that I spoke about when I

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Speaker 3: was in ri Java, where they did bomb ambulance crews

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Speaker 3: and yeah, that shit is absolutely reprehensible. But what happened

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Speaker 3: here is also reprehensible as it's being recounted to us.

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Speaker 3: Eventually this video will come out, I'm sure. More broadly,

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Speaker 3: the United States seems to be signaling intent to continue

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Speaker 3: its campaign against my daughter, saying it will begin land

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Speaker 3: strikes uote unquote soon. What Yeah, like this is extremely worrying,

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Speaker 3: right like, Yeah, tramp becourse a great peace president who

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Speaker 3: has ended what is it like nine wars? Trump the Dove,

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Speaker 3: I think is what you personally called perfect. It's a

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Speaker 3: hell of a visual. The people of Venezuela are the

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Speaker 3: ones who are going to suffer, right Like, It's not

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Speaker 3: going to be the regime officials for the most part. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Venezuela's a vast, mountainous jungle country. It's an easy place

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Speaker 3: for us to do land war, not a particularly easy

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Speaker 3: place for US to do drone warfare either. You know,

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Speaker 3: I've written a lot about the the United States Duran

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Speaker 3: campaign in Syria and the disaster that was, right in

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Speaker 3: the amount of what they considered to be acceptable civilian casualties.

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Speaker 3: We don't have any indications from this DoD or like

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Speaker 3: from hexth that like he will seek to minimize those,

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Speaker 3: right like this, This could be shaping up to be

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Speaker 3: a disaster for the people of Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I find it unlike that haig Seth

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Speaker 2: will actually fall into trouble international law. Because of this,

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00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: people always get away. And I mean you can see

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Speaker 2: how Trump already pardoned number of work criminals earlier this

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Speaker 2: year and in his first administration, right, and in his

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Speaker 2: first administration. Yeah, as much fun as it is to

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Speaker 2: be like haha, I like this. I like to see

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Speaker 2: old pet hag Seth wiggles way out of this jam.

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Speaker 3: Yes he will. I think he's expected to do so

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Speaker 3: quite easily. I mean, international doesn't exist for people in

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Speaker 3: the global North. It's a thing that they do to

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00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: prosecute African people for the most part. But yes, very

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Speaker 3: unlikely that we will see hag Seth in the Hague

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Speaker 3: for this. Still bad though.

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Speaker 2: We'll go on another ad break and be right back.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are back. We would like to now

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Speaker 2: expand and clarify some of our previous previous discussion of

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Speaker 2: Zoron's White House meeting with Donald Trump and some statements

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Speaker 2: around ice raids and ice detainers. Let's start by clarifying

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Speaker 2: this one hundred and seventy serious crimes number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: While answering a question, Zoran said, quote, we discussed Ice

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Speaker 2: and New York City, and I spoke about how the

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Speaker 2: laws we have in New York City allowed the city

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Speaker 2: government to speak to the federal administration about roughly one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy serious crimes.

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Speaker 3: Unquote.

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Speaker 2: This one hundred and seventy number is in reference to

650
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Speaker 2: Local Law fifty eight Administrative Code nine Dash one three

651
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: to one, which was passed in twenty fourteen and strengthened

652
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: New York sanctuary laws and required that they only honor

653
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: ICE detainers when presented with the judicial warrant issued by

654
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: an Article three federal judge or Federal magistrate judge based

655
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: on probable cause, and when the subject of the detainer

656
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: and warrant is either listed in a terrorist database or

657
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: has been convicted of a violent or serious crime. Now,

658
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: the term violent or serious crime refers to a list

659
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: of approximately one hundred and seventy crimes, which is listed

660
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 2: in Local Law fifty four.

661
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: I think there's a five year limit as well, right,

662
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: Like it has to be within five years.

663
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: So there's a number of like they like stack on

664
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, Like there's This is just a one

665
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: of many like amendments strengthening their sanctuary laws. And I'm

666
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Speaker 2: mentioning it specifically to clarify where one hundred and seventy

667
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: number comes from and where people can find all of

668
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: the criminal codes that are listed, which is again approximately

669
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy crimes.

670
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.

671
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: Change this local law did is that this person doesn't

672
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: have to just be accused of one of these crimes,

673
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: but actually be convince or listed in a terrible stateabase. Yeah,

674
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: and these are mostly like violent felons.

675
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. The law that Garrison refers to lists them by

676
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: penal code number. So I'm working on expanding those into

677
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: a list of words that human beings can understand. Yeah, sure,

678
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: just because I think people generally don't understand sanctuary protections.

679
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: Sanctuary laws are not like a They're not the same

680
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: in every state, They're not the same in every city

681
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: in every state, and I think a lot of people

682
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: have an understanding of them which could do with being improved.

683
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: So I'm going to probably do a whole episode on that.

684
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: I think with regard to the list of crimes in

685
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: New York, I would prefer to do that as a

686
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: print piece, because it's just better if someone could find

687
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: it on the internet, and that doesn't work as well

688
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: with podcasts other stuff regarding this if just so people

689
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: are aware, right, like, federally, one could be deported for

690
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 3: a huge range of crimes, from violent crime to thefto

691
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: over ten thousand dollars to a vast range of quote

692
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: unquote crimes involving moral turpitude. The problem, of course, is

693
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: that we have fifty different states with fifty different sets

694
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: of laws, and we have to map federal regulations onto them.

695
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 3: There is some Supreme Court case law about how we

696
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: do that. Crimes involving moral turpitude can be things that

697
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: you might consider extraordinarily minor, like turnstile hopping.

698
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

699
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a whole episode on these because

700
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: again I think you could see in that press conference,

701
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: so when Zoran spoke about immigration, Trump tried to move

702
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: the topic to deporting criminals. Yeah, and the people who

703
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: are being deported as criminals, whilst the DHS twitter feed

704
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: wants to highlight people who've been convicted of murder and things,

705
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: and that's by far look at an EDU case.

706
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's why he mentioned the one

707
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy like serious urvolent crimes, and like specifically

708
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: that those are the ones that the New York Sentuary

709
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: laws you do have this quote unquote cooperation on, and

710
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: like in a meeting, Zorn said that he and Trump

711
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: talked about how current ICE operations in New York City

712
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: I quote unquote very little to do with serious crime

713
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: with these built crimes listed on these detainers.

714
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a broad thing across the United States, right,

715
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: Like even we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago.

716
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: But like, if you look at Charlotte right where they

717
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: have they are legally bound to honor all ICE detainers

718
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: by HB ten, you've still got Ice out and about

719
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: raiding people, and you have sheriffs complaining about Ice not

720
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: picking people up right. The detainer, I guess I should

721
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: explain what a detainer is as well. A detainer is

722
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: an extra forty eight hour hold. It doesn't mean that

723
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: you just like lock them up forever. It means that

724
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 3: you hold them for forty eight hours such that ICE

725
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: can come in and collect the person. Because ICE is

726
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: so focused on I don't know what you want to

727
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: call it, grabbing people off the street. Yeah, it seems

728
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: that they're not collecting these people. There's been some pushback,

729
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: like on straight up economic grounds in some states because

730
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: like detaining people is quite expensive, right, so detaining people

731
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: for long periods of time and it's just not showing up.

732
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: I can see how not to give support to sheriff's

733
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: departments or whatever, but like rural sheriff's departments, which are

734
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: on limited budgets, would start to get pissed off after

735
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: a time about holding people. But that is what a

736
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: detainer is, got it. Ice doesn't necessarily have to abide

737
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: by local sanctuary laws. And what we have seen is that,

738
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: like cops are cops, and they will make mistakes, and

739
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: if someone gets handed over, you can't take them back

740
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: if the cops fuck that up.

741
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And this is part of the other

742
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: things that Zaron campaigned on to like strength and sanctuary protections,

743
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 2: And specifically in the section of his policies on quote

744
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: unquote trump proofing New York City, he talks about like

745
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: ending illegal ICE cooperation on Riker's Island or ICE is

746
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: currently stationed, which does go against sanctuary laws, and you've

747
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: talked about ending that as well as providing one hundred

748
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: and sixty five million dollars in funding for immigration legal

749
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: defend services in the cities, which would be a massive

750
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: increase and what is currently provided. Yeah, as well as

751
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: just like limiting interactions with police, right is, the more

752
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: you interact with the police, the more likely is that

753
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: you might accidentally or quote unquote accidentally get put into trouble,

754
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: even though you know, police in New York are not

755
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: supposed to ever ask someone that what their immigration status

756
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: is or or cooperate with ice requests that do not

757
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: you know, fall under this specific container law. But I

758
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: mean in terms of like ways to limit interactions with police,

759
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: this goes back to some very basic ideas on like,

760
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: you know, addressing the economic conditions that create crime in

761
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: the first place, as well as the Department of Community Safety,

762
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: which Souron intends to create, which will provide new mental

763
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: health services, crisis response, and homeless outreach outside of the NYPD.

764
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, not criminalizing homelessness and not criminalizing parking are

765
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 3: probably two of the most meaningful things that you can

766
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: do to limit police interaction and specifically police interactions from

767
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: documented people.

768
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean in terms of like turnstile hopping

769
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: or like fair evation. It's it's complicated in New York. Mean,

770
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna be something that they honor a detainer for.

771
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: But in terms of like you know, just talking about

772
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: like the Yeah, how weird and specific each state's laws are.

773
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: Like turnstile hopping can be a misdemeanor crime in New

774
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: York due to like theft of services. It can also

775
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: just be a civil in fracture. It can, but it's

776
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: up to the officer to decide whether they want this

777
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: to turn into a criminal misdemeanor or a civil infraction

778
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: and just pay one hundred dollars fine. Even this is

779
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: like cause confusion among like immigrants and immigrant rights attorneys

780
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: over like dealing with like old old fair ofvation cases

781
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: and being like does this now like disqualify me from

782
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: certain things or does this like you know, present a

783
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: threat of being deported if I if I declare this

784
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: and like whatever like citizenship or a green card meeting,

785
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: they may they may have scheduled. Yeah, and yeah, not

786
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: not criminalizing fair ovation would be huge. And if someone's

787
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: able to make you know, free buses that all, do

788
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: you know a considerable dent in preventing cases where ferivation

789
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: could be used as a pretext federally reports someone.

790
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because that person or that person could leave

791
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: New York and be somewhere else, right, or they could

792
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: just get swept up in ice workplace raid, and that

793
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: could be used as a pretext, like there are many

794
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: reasons why even if it's sanctuary protected, that person could

795
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: still be vulnerable because of that prosecution.

796
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: Like you said, yeah, I mean, and then those sorts

797
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: of raids are still happening in New York. An attempted

798
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: rate happened in Connell Street. Yeah, last week. It was

799
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: prevented from being carried out by people who literally blocked

800
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Ice from leaving the parking garage that they were in,

801
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: and that NYPD then arrested a few protesters. It remains

802
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: to be seen how Zoron will handle incidents like this

803
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: going forward. He still does not become the mayor for

804
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: but thirty days, right, but a spokesperson for the mayor

805
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: elect has said that zoren Quote has made it clear,

806
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: including to the President, that these raids are cruel and

807
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: inhumane and failed to advanced genuine public safety. New York

808
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: City's more than three million immigrants are central to our

809
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: city strength. Vitality and access the mayor Electromaine Steadfast and

810
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: his emumitment to protecting the rights and dignity of every

811
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: single New Yorker of holding our sanctuary laws. And de

812
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: escalation rather than use of unnecessary force unquote. I believe

813
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: that last sentence could be read as in reference to

814
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: the police conduct while handling antiites protests. Yeah, quote unquote,

815
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: de escalation rather than use of unnecessary force. But this

816
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: is not something that they have talked about much.

817
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: Curious to see when he's actually the mayor, what will

818
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: happen here?

819
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, and that's that's that's a part

820
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: of like what governing is going to look like in

821
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: this case, which is kind of sure, it's hard to say.

822
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: We've never really had a high profile like you know,

823
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: dsa person who previously advocated like defunded or abolishing the

824
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: police become the mayor of a city.

825
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I.

826
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: Think this kind of relates to like so much of

827
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: what the project in New York is around New York

828
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: City DSA and zoron to rather than just like you know,

829
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: be like chasing electoral cars and then crashing once you

830
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: have control. Igxort's orange like actually running the city and

831
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: providing a legitimate example the democratic socialst policies can deliver

832
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 2: on promises for workers and improve life in New York.

833
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: And if this project succeeds, it can be pointed to

834
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: and replicated by others. And there's a very strict focus

835
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: on like making sure that he's able to succeed on

836
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: a section of like economic policies. He's not in a

837
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: federal position, right, He's not running on abolishing ice, as

838
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: you can't as the mayor of New York. And like,

839
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: I think it's very unclear right now, like what a

840
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: politics of abolishing ice really looks like outside of like

841
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: this like contemplative, like reflective and like judgmental politics, which

842
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: falls further and further away from like taking steps to

843
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: do action.

844
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean a politics abolishing guys looks like

845
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: the United States up until two thousand and one, right,

846
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: we didn't have ice.

847
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: Well, but like from now, like what would it mean

848
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: to actually stop de quotations completely? Like what will that look? Like?

849
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: What can be done politically to do that?

850
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: Right?

851
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: And Zorin's not doing this because Son's the mayor of

852
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: New York City. He cannot run for president. People in

853
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: his orbit could run for the House and set it

854
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: and push forward bills to do this, and they might

855
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: over time. But like, there is a difference between being

856
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: the mayor of a local municipality and like, what are

857
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: legitimate politics of actually stopping for our current process of deportations,

858
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: what that really looks like and how to actually achieve that,

859
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: which a very little thought is being put towards among

860
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: the American left right now, And it kind of it

861
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: falls back on these like reflective or like contemplative statements.

862
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, there have been proposals put forward for a long

863
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: time on what it would look like to create better

864
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: legal pathways and fewer deportations, right, like those who existed. Sure,

865
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Speaker 3: like you can look specifically at what people were trying

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Speaker 3: to get Biden to do in twenty twenty, right, which

867
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Speaker 3: he obviously completely failed to do and in effect made

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Speaker 3: things much worse. But like, those policy proposals exist, and

869
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Speaker 3: they're well thought out and well planned from people who've

870
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Speaker 3: been working into space for decades. Right, Dannie can do

871
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: is like what they call in political science, like the

872
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: coattails effect totally right, as a very popular candidate, people

873
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: can ride on his coattails I think it's important in

874
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: that sense that he continues rhetorically to oppose what Ice

875
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Speaker 3: is doing, which like that statement you read did right,

876
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Speaker 3: But it's very important that he if he's able to

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Speaker 3: successfully have his administration in New York, and we will

878
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: see how shit goes in that regard, but if he

879
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 3: is and there is an electoral project that can arise

880
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: based on that, then like it is very important that

881
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: they remain in lockstep that like, we are not going back.

882
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: We're not going to have a Democrat come president in

883
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: twenty eight and just do a Joe Biden again right

884
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: where things get worse. So in that sense, I think

885
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: it like it needs to be something that everyone in

886
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: that movement retains. I guess, like not uniformity is the

887
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: wrong word, you know, but you know what I mean

888
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Speaker 3: literally that it continues to be something of a norse

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Speaker 3: staff for whatever is emerging to the left of the DNC.

890
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I also, like I guess clarify some

891
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Speaker 2: things I would have said last week and not claiming

892
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Speaker 2: that sheerly the the process of honoring these detainers will

893
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Speaker 2: like vaguely in a causal sense, results in less ice

894
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: raids in the city. I mean these detainers are they

895
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Speaker 2: are legally required, even unders sanctuary laws, to be to

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Speaker 2: be followed. And I think part of what Zora was

897
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Speaker 2: doing was trying to redirect the president's thought away from

898
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Speaker 2: these larger raids to these specific serious crimes. And I

899
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Speaker 2: think in some of this is based on Trump kind

900
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Speaker 2: of has like the last person in the room syndrome

901
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: off He kind of just likes or or follows or

902
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: parrots whoever the last person in the room was. And

903
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: like what they've told him, I'm not saying that like

904
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Speaker 2: honoring these these legally required detainers is like is simply

905
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Speaker 2: harmon direction in that sense. This is more so in

906
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Speaker 2: reference to the ongoing negotiations between Momdani and Trump to

907
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Speaker 2: limit ICE action in the city outside of these detainer requests,

908
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Speaker 2: which do address serious crime. Which Trump and Mom Donnie

909
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Speaker 2: saw as a point of commonality on is they want

910
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Speaker 2: New York to be a safe place for people, focusing

911
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Speaker 2: on that as opposed to these general ICE raids. And

912
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Speaker 2: there's been like some slight movement on this. Raids have continued,

913
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Speaker 2: but there's been slight movement in terms of Trump, at

914
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Speaker 2: least for now, pulling out of his plans to deploy

915
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Speaker 2: National Guard to assist ICE, and like that is the

916
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Speaker 2: single point where we see some movement on and this

917
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Speaker 2: will be something that in terms of raids like on

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Speaker 2: Conall Street. Well, we'll see if this actually makes a

919
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Speaker 2: larger impact once he takes office and continues these negotiations.

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Speaker 3: If National Guard or assisting ICE, is that like because

921
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Speaker 3: they can't directly do the immigration enforcement right, Well, I.

922
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Speaker 2: Mean assisting ICE in the way that they have washed

923
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Speaker 2: in DC.

924
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like in terms of like quot unquote protecting officers

925
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Speaker 3: or quote yes, yeah.

926
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Speaker 2: And you know the proposals to do so in Chicago

927
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Speaker 2: and Portland, which are cotton like legal limbo. But I

928
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Speaker 2: mean that the Portland was more specifically for the ICE facility.

929
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Speaker 3: Yeah, protecting federal building this kind of deal, versus in Washington,

930
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Speaker 3: d C. They were like on patrol with ICE, Like

931
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Speaker 3: they were like roving around and doing roadblocks and shit.

932
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like much of this quote unquote crime crackdown,

933
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Speaker 2: as bridgets reported on our show, really is actually a

934
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Speaker 2: way to do like enhanced immigration enforcement. Yeah, there's a

935
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Speaker 2: lot of fear in New York and discussions with people

936
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Speaker 2: in New York and like how are we going to

937
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Speaker 2: handle this happening here. Yeah, and this is like the

938
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Speaker 2: one point of movement that we've seen is Trump pulling

939
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Speaker 2: out of these plans which previously were quite certain. He

940
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Speaker 2: wants to like go one by one and like invade

941
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Speaker 2: these cities.

942
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Speaker 3: Yeah, New York. You also have the like the added

943
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Speaker 3: factor that like New York is technically in that border

944
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Speaker 3: enforcement zone, right, so I mean as is Chicago. Yeah,

945
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Speaker 3: I guess most of these places have been Chicago, Portland

946
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Speaker 3: is Los Angeles is because of the Licton and Los

947
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Speaker 3: Angeles they deployed border patrol. Right Now, that's another thing

948
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Speaker 3: that it could happen in New York, but like thus

949
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: far hasn't on a massive scale. But yeah, it remains

950
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Speaker 3: to be seen. Right, Like, Trump has this like operation

951
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Speaker 3: at Large that Boveno controls that he could deploy to

952
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Speaker 3: New York and it'll be yeah, provided to Boston, where

953
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Speaker 3: Michelle Bouch has like taken a different approach, right Like,

954
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 3: and yeah, I guess we'll we'll have to continue waiting

955
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 3: and seeing. It's really heartening to me that people showed

956
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: up in New York as well, you know, like, oh yeah,

957
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 3: that people in New York showed up on Canal Street

958
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: like that is uh.

959
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and prevented ICE from doing any detentions or arrests.

960
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think like they, like the ICE eventually

961
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Speaker 3: had to leave to New Jersey, Is that right, Like

962
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Speaker 3: they had to go through the tunnel or whatever, like

963
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: the tunnel, yeah, the Tunnel of Shame. Yeah yeah, but

964
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: like that that is like that is what kept those

965
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: people safe, rightly. They didn't have to wait for Eric

966
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: Adams or Mandanni or anyone else, like it was members

967
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Speaker 3: of their community.

968
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

969
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is cool talking of commune ease to want

970
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Speaker 3: to talk about the campus campus community and have freedom

971
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Speaker 3: of speech. He's under threat on our campuses.

972
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Speaker 2: Well, freedom of religion is under threat, James, Okay, religion to.

973
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: Freedom to so tired, fed to tire, to cite a

974
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Speaker 3: vibe space interpretation of the religion.

975
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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, this unfortunately, this story did infringe upon

976
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: my freedom to not read horrible college essays Garrison.

977
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Speaker 3: That is a freedom that I have not had for

978
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: many years.

979
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Speaker 2: No, no, and this is why I interested in your

980
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: thoughts on this. A transgraduate instructor has been suspended from

981
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: the University of Oklahoma after issuing a failing grade to

982
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: a students assignment right a six hundred and fifty word

983
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: response to a study on if gender conformity is linked

984
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: to popularity or bullying in middle school. This twenty year

985
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: old psychology major a junior, wrote in her response that

986
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: she does not consider bullying a problem because quote God

987
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: made male and female and made us different from each

988
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: other on purpose and for a purpose unquote. The response

989
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: was entirely personal opinion. It does not even properly cite

990
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: specific like scriptures in the Bible. If, like, if I

991
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Speaker 2: was to write like an unhinged like like a Christian response,

992
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: least the least you could do is site specific things.

993
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 2: Should that be valid?

994
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 6: No?

995
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: But even this was not done.

996
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: It's like Bible fanfic.

997
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: These are the vibes I get from Genus.

998
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she just gestured her own interpretation of biblical gender.

999
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: Roles, right sure, sure.

1000
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: Quote women naturally want to do womanly things because God

1001
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: created us with those womanly desires in our heart unquote.

1002
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: So she's women and like like females. I guess maybe

1003
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: maybe she was going for a It's.

1004
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: It's all circular reasoning like this all based on based

1005
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: on these like biblical gender roles and later, the essay

1006
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: goes on to self contradict itself ideas of gender norms

1007
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: versus gender stereotypes, and it's all just very poorly written. Names.

1008
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: Did you read the whole essay? No, okay, it's not

1009
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: it's not long. We are not going to read it

1010
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: all on air. I'll read it right now. I want

1011
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: you to read the whole thing and just just give

1012
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: me your immediate thoughts. I dropped it in the zoom chat.

1013
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 3: You have to understand that I might experience like what's

1014
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: called a trauma reaction.

1015
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: It's only two pages.

1016
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Speaker 3: So it's based on a review of an article, based

1017
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 3: on a review of an academic study. Yeah, on if

1018
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: gender conformity impacts bullying or popularity in middle school. Okay,

1019
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, that's what she said, but not yet she

1020
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: has excited him specifically. No, she never said Jesus yeah God,

1021
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: mm hm ah hell yeah. I love it when they

1022
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: get into like Hebrew. Oh yeah, yeah, yes, I'm just

1023
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: getting a penulta paragraph. Yeah, what class is this in psychology?

1024
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Speaker 3: A psychology course? I'm would assign this for a psychology close.

1025
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: Uh wow yeah, can I just read like the last

1026
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: part out loud?

1027
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: Okay, Sophia, you can you can read the last part.

1028
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. My prayer for the world and specifically for American

1029
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: society and youth is that they would not believe the

1030
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: lies being spread from Satan that make them believe they're

1031
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: better off as another gender than what God made them.

1032
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: I pray that they feel God's love and acceptance as

1033
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: who He originally created them to be.

1034
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: So if you ready inhabited that role beautifully.

1035
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: Like thank you, thank you previously and like the paragraph

1036
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Speaker 1: of four, do you want me to do it?

1037
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1038
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: I unfortunately feel like I could really embody this horrific person.

1039
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: Society pushing the live that there are multiple genders and

1040
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: everyone should be whatever they want to be is demonic

1041
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: It severely harms American youth. I do not want kids

1042
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: to be teased bullying stuff.

1043
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: Yet, So, James, as a college college professor, what is

1044
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this?

1045
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: It's just a bad response to the question right that

1046
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: there is not a single citation the person has not

1047
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: done what they were instructed to do. They have just

1048
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: it's a classic example of that you have answered the

1049
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: question you wanted me to ask, not the question I

1050
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: have asked. Genre Sure, and in this case, Like, I'm

1051
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: presuming there was some kind of rubric for grading, Like

1052
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: it seems like a like a the sort of assignment

1053
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: that you would set once a week, right. I don't

1054
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: know if it's an online course or they're just using

1055
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: an online LMS, but the comment is clearly from an

1056
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: online LMS.

1057
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have the rubrick and that TPUSA published.

1058
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: The rubrick was that you must write this six hundred

1059
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: and fifty word reaction demonstrating that you have read the

1060
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: assigned article and includes a thoughtful reaction to the material

1061
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: presented in the article. Please remember that your reaction paper

1062
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: should not be a summary, but rather a thoughtful discussion

1063
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: of some aspect of the article. Possible approaches to reaction

1064
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: papers include a discussion of why you feel the topic

1065
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: is important and worthy of study or not, or an

1066
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: application of the study or results to your own experiences.

1067
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Speaker 3: That's a broader prompt than I had otherwise imagined.

1068
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Speaker 2: Other section is Reaction papers are graded on a twenty

1069
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: five point scale and are evaluated based on the following

1070
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: Does the paper show a clear tie to the assigned

1071
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: article ten points? Does paper present a thoughtful reaction or

1072
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: response to the article rather than a summary ten points

1073
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: and is the paper clearly written five points? The best

1074
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: reaction papers illustrate the students have read the assigned materials

1075
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: and engaged in critical thinking about some aspect of the article.

1076
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the way you would do that is

1077
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: to reference the article more than in the first line

1078
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: of your paper and then never again, right sure, which

1079
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: is what this person has done here. Look, at no

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Speaker 3: point do they quote from the article mention anything specifically

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Speaker 3: the article says, other than that it was very thought provoking,

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Speaker 3: and then like they've seen the word gender and just

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00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 3: gone off like a dog after a squirrel, right like, yes,

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Speaker 3: and then completely gone off on one about god. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a pretty broad prompt. It's broader than I would

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00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: generally write a prompt, but that's okay with different approaches.

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Speaker 3: They haven't specifically said in the prompt that they want

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Speaker 3: people to cite their sources, which I normally do. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: they haven't really shown any engagement with the article.

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Speaker 2: Right like, this isn't a freshman, this isn't a software

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00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: this is this is a junior well well into this semester.

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Speaker 2: The response from the instructor was quote, please note I'm

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00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: not deducting points because you have certain beliefs, but instead

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00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm deducting points where you're posting a reaction paper that

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00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: does not answer the questions for the assignment to contradicts itself,

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00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: heavily uses personal ideology over empirical evidence in a scientific class,

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00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: and is at time offensive. While you are entitled to

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01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: your own personal beliefs, there is an appropriate time or

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Speaker 2: place to implement them in your reflections. I encourage all

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Speaker 2: students to question or challenge the course material with other

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01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: empirical findings or testable hypotheses, but using your own personal

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01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: beliefs to argue against the findings of not only this article,

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: but the findings of countless articles across the echology, biology, sociology,

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Speaker 2: et cetera is not best practice. Unquote yeah, so again

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Speaker 2: this is a science class. I guess right late, Like,

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: this is not a scientific response. It is, Yeah, no,

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: entirely vibes based before becoming a national news story. This

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01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: grade was reviewed and approved by another instructor. This isn't

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Speaker 2: just one instructor who happens to be trans This isn't

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: just their personal grade. This was reviewed by another instructor.

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: But on Thanksgiving TPUSA used this story to start a

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Speaker 2: media blitz targeting this quote unquote mentally ill professor, this

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01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: graduate student instructor, which is resulted in her being placed

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: on leave as the university reviews this incident concerning illegal

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01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 2: discrimination based on religious beliefs.

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01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 3: That's not what that is, right, Like, like, I have

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01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: watched the short form video about discrimination many times of

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01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: my years instructing students, and like, this person wasn't discriminated

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: against because of their beliefs. They were discriminated. They weren't

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01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: discriminated against. So they were graded for their response which

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01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: was poor.

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Speaker 2: For failing to follow the rules of these and again

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Speaker 2: not not even as like a freshman who needs more

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: clear like you know, first year uniche, Like no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is this is this is a psychology major in

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01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: her junior year. Yeah, writing this response as a part

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: of it as a part of a pscientic as a

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01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: scientific psychology course where it's not about science at all.

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Speaker 2: You're just talking about your own impression of what God

1130
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: wants out of gender roles and citing not not even citing,

1131
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: but like pointing towards the Holy Spirit and the Heavenly Father.

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01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some Hebrew shit that you've translated. I know

1133
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 3: that most instructors who teach at universities now are very

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01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 3: concerned about exactly this, right, about a student writing a

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01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 3: paper which is just bad and then them going to

1136
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: the pretty much tp USA SpeI right and being like, yes,

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01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: it came against me because they hate Jesus. And I

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01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: can imagine that that is worse for trans in genderal

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01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 3: conforming and otherwise absolutely instructors from conversations right, like.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, and like TPUSA first gained popularity for its

1141
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 2: like professor watch lists where people could report their like

1142
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: woke liberal professors. And this is this is the core

1143
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: part of the TPUSA model, is attacking academics and people

1144
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: who work in university in this instants like cause speculation

1145
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: of like how much of this essay was genuine versus

1146
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: was this intentionally bad essay to provoke this response, which

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01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: we can't we can't wonder that. But the student has

1148
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: like risen to the ranks of like a minor conservative

1149
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: celebrity in these in these past two weeks, Yeah, because

1150
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: of this incident and is doing like TPUSA like speaking

1151
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: speaking appearances, news appearances. There's been dozens of articles across

1152
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: right wing outlets on this. It's it's turned into a

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01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: legitimate story for them.

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01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to say, well, like it appears Garrison,

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 3: I discussed this before, but it appears that this person

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01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: is a grad student and not like a ten year

1157
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: professor adjunct, Yes, certainly not tenured right, Sure, therefore they

1158
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: are much more vulnerable and they have many fewer protections

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: than a tenured professor would have. I don't know if

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01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: they unionize. It depends on where they're teaching, right, but.

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: Like University of Oklahoma, that is questionable.

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01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean possibilities points to know, But like, this

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01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: is area is fucking problem for anybody teaching in these fields, right,

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Speaker 3: especially graduate students. Like I say especially, I mean imagine

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01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 3: you're a graduate student on a student visa, right, Like,

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01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: how do you approach teaching this when you know that

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Speaker 3: you could end up on the TPUSA instagram.

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Speaker 2: It's trying to chill speech, right, This is this is

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: part of what they're doing. They're turning this into a

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01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: free speech crusade for religious discrimination. But what this is

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01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: actually doing is chilling speech at universities by making it

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01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: so you can't teach certain topics, especially if you happen

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01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: to be trans to yourself. Otherwise, tepa USA in the

1174
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: right wing media system is going to turn your life

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Speaker 2: into a living nightmare.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've repeatedly seen a First Amendment cited ref to this.

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Speaker 3: This has not got anything to do with the First Amendment. Like,

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Speaker 3: the First Amendment doesn't give you the right to get

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,479
Speaker 3: a good grade for saying what the fuck you want?

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 3: That's that's not in the First Amendment. But yeah, like

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01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 3: Garrison said, it is chilling speech. Good news. Oklahoma University

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: Workers United is a union sick okay, cool, and it

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: includes grad student instructors unclear okay? Hit us up oh

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01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 3: uwu and let us know before we close.

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Speaker 2: I do want to mention another story that's happened this

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Speaker 2: week which is gonna prompt of a future episode probably

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Speaker 2: next week. The online gambling platform cals I've never said

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: it before. I'm saying Calshi has that a serial partnered

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Speaker 2: with c Kashi. I you don't even know what you're

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Speaker 2: talking about anymore, But the online gambling platform cal she

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01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 2: is partnered with CNN and CNBC this past week to

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Speaker 2: allow the news companies to use quote unquote real time

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Speaker 2: prediction data for TV news segments and online content. This

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: is not entirely surprising if people have been watching CNN

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: like I have, like a complete maniac. Because specifically this

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Speaker 2: this past November and like this whole election season, news

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Speaker 2: pundits on CNN have been using betting odds in place

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Speaker 2: of polling data to weigh the likelihood of candidate's winning elections.

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Speaker 2: This has become an increasingly common practice, specifically at CNN,

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: and now it appears spreading to other news platforms like CNBC.

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01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: How she announcement of the CNN partnership reads quote. CNN

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01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: chief data analyst Harry Enton is an expert in translating

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: what data and polling are saying on any given issue,

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01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: and through this integration, he can tap into real time

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Speaker 2: prediction markets data to better inform and fact check his reporting.

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01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: Unquote what fact checking his reporting with gambling data? Gambling

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Speaker 2: odds from people who are betting on like if people

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Speaker 2: are going to starve in Gaza?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: This is this is the sort of stuff that they

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Speaker 2: bet on on. Caliche, not just who wins elections. Absurd Jesus,

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Speaker 2: I like.

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Speaker 1: That you've pronounced the day of this company several.

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Speaker 2: Different see I used to call it Kelly, this is

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Speaker 2: the problem.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's Calshi. I think I

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 3: think Calshi is correct. There's one possible benefit to this.

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01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 3: Will it stop Nate Silva being so fucking annoying? No,

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01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: It'll cause them to be more annoying games. How can

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Speaker 3: you not see that?

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Speaker 2: This is this is a part of the nay cerverification

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01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: of everything God and this this is what I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about in the full piece. But but no,

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01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: there was there was a Sena news segment in October

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five where this data analyst talked about how

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Speaker 2: the odds of Democrats winning the midterms are going down

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Speaker 2: via citing the Calshi odds, and then he did like

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Speaker 2: three minutes of analysis using selective midterm voting data from

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen to support the movement in

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Speaker 2: the gambling odds. Like that was the core piece of data.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to explain, what the fuck?

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Speaker 3: How big is this marketplace?

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Speaker 2: Pretty big?

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Speaker 3: Pretty big? Okay? So I couldn't just come in with

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Speaker 3: like five hundred bucks and tip it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean it depends on what you're doing

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01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 2: for Like these sorts of big these like big races. Know,

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Speaker 2: but part of the real problem is is if you're

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: just tuning in to CNN and reading the graphics, it's

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01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: really hard to tell that this that these are gambling ods.

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01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,479
Speaker 2: You're just seeing big percentages and they're only gonna mention

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01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: that it's from quote unquote betting markets or prediction markets

1243
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: like once at the beginning of the segment. After that

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01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: they treat the numbers like actual polling data. So it's

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01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: really really manipulative. And unless you're like super paying attention

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01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,919
Speaker 2: to this whole segment, it'd be very easy to interpret

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: these gambling numbers as genuine as genuine poll information. Wow,

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Speaker 2: it's incredibly dangerous to democracy and uh overall kind of

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01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: bad and fucked up, and it's gonna be spreading.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The Calshi competitor poly Market partnered with X the Everything

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01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: app and Yahoo Financed earlier this year to integrate their

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01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:55,879
Speaker 2: quote unquote prediction data into content on X and Yahoo Finance.

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01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 2: It's only going to become more and more common.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna do a long form episode on this.

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01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: I will.

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, this sucks. I'm just looking at this website now.

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01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: It sucks. I don't like this at all.

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Speaker 3: If you would like to email us, you can do

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 3: so by reaching out to cool Zone Tips at proton

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Speaker 3: dot me.

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Speaker 2: That does for us that it could happen here. We

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Speaker 2: reported the news, and now you can bet on the news.

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Speaker 3: We reported the news.

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Speaker 8: It could happen here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 8: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

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Speaker 8: now find sources where it could happen here listed directly

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Speaker 8: in episode descriptions.

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