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Warren, and each week on this show, 16 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, 17 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 4: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 18 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 4: lot more on this edition of the show. Who was 19 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: the Pink Lady of the Grove Park Inn? Now I'm 20 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: talking about a ghost at a hotel in Asheville, North Carolina, 21 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: and listen to this. About thirty years ago, I was 22 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: actually threatened with legal action and if I talked publicly 23 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: about certain things related to this case. But now that 24 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 4: I'm thirty years older, with some of the best lawyers 25 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 4: in the world, I'm finally going to reveal some things. 26 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 4: Don't worry, I understand boundaries, and I might here to 27 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 4: take anybody off. I just think that you might be 28 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: able to help me finally solve a mystery, perhaps a 29 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: cold case really that has been around for one hundred years. 30 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 4: So this is about true history. Now. Of course, I 31 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 4: grew up in the mountains of Asheville, North Carolina, and 32 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 4: I started publishing articles and books when I was just 33 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 4: a teenager. And I was very fortunate to be contacted 34 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 4: by the Grove Park when I was a teenager and 35 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 4: given this great opportunity to invest gate the fact versus 36 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: the fiction of this Pink Lady story that had been 37 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 4: around since the nineteen twenties. Now, let me just tell 38 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 4: you right off the bat, the Grove Park in is 39 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 4: the big old Grand Venerable hotel in Asheville, built from 40 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 4: granite boulders, that opened in nineteen thirteen. It's the kind 41 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: of place where if the most famous people came to town, 42 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: they would stay at the Grove Park in I'll tell 43 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 4: you more about the Grove Park in a little bit later, 44 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: but first let me just jump right into the traditional 45 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: legend of the pink Lady that haunts that place. And 46 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: this is from my book Haunted Ashville, the first book 47 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 4: of Asheville ghost stories ever published. I published it in 48 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six. And here is how the chapter begins, 49 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 4: Called the Pink Lady of the Grove Park. In the legend, 50 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: the November night was crisp and cold. A hint of 51 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: smoke drifted in the thin air of the hotel's palm 52 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: Court as mammoth fireplaces roared in the great Hall two 53 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: floors below. The blaze from the fire sent forth a 54 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 4: jovial warmth that mingled with the nature of the guests 55 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: merely conversing before it. A jazzy nineteen twenty two bounced 56 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: around the massive stones and pillars of the hall. As 57 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: chuckles and murmured conversation filled the center of the mighty hotel. 58 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 4: She could hear them from the fifth floor of the 59 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 4: Palm Court, a desolate place that night. She was young 60 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: and beautiful, a slender neck and graceful features. Her long, 61 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 4: lustrous hair fell around the shoulders of the pink evening 62 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 4: gown she'd worn for the special night. She was such 63 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: a pretty girl, But why did she seem so melancholy? 64 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 4: Her bright eyes sparkled as she stared from the edge 65 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: of the fifth floor. From such a height, the tiles 66 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: far below seemed so strangely welcoming. It was almost as 67 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: though they beckoned to her. They called her name in 68 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 4: a soft whisper, and she was drawn. It was such 69 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: a subtle moment, such a quiet moment. She was hypnotized 70 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: by the expanse below. The danger must have registered somewhere 71 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: in her mind, but she ignored it. She was drawn. 72 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 4: The security of the low wall was there, holding her back, 73 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 4: and it was trying to tell her, no, no, there 74 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 4: is danger here. Lean back, But the warning fell on 75 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: deaf ears. The hugeness of the room invited her to join. 76 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: The air, even in its thinness, seemed strong enough to 77 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 4: support her. She rested upon it more and more, Her 78 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 4: arms reached for it. Farther and farther. A silent crescendo 79 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: arose in the sky and then at once, the strength 80 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: of the floor below her dainty feet was there no more. 81 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 4: What had happened? Had she shifted her weight too far? 82 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 4: Had a malicious force shoved her just enough? Had she 83 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 4: seen the cure to her depression on the cold floor 84 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 4: far below? It was like slow motion, the wind rushing 85 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: through her thick hair one last time, her long pink 86 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 4: gown pressed against her body by the air that had 87 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: sworn to support her. The spell had been broken. Her 88 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: enchantment was now gone, but it was too late. The 89 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: floor became larger and larger, as the tiles she was 90 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 4: to swiftly meet showed their hardness. Once again, Horror flashed 91 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 4: in her deep eyes. A scream arose in her delicate throat, 92 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: but there was no time for it to escape. One 93 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: last impression, the laughs, the murmurs, the smoke, the music, 94 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 4: the chill in the air, the hardness of the floor, 95 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 4: and then the impact in the great hall. The conversation 96 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: didn't flinch, the band didn't miss a note. The fireplace 97 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 4: kept right on, burning as brightly and warmly as ever. 98 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: But something had changed. Everyone knew it. No one could 99 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 4: quite place it, no one even mentioned it, but they 100 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 4: knew it. Had changed. It was a sort of new 101 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: weight on their shoulders. A ghost of a grimace showed 102 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: behind their smiles. But what was it, What had caused 103 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: this new sensation? They would find out later that night. 104 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: The moon would show brightly when they entered the silence 105 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: of the palm court. There they would find the pale 106 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: girl in her shapely pink gown, as cold and lifeless 107 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 4: as the tiles. Then they would know tragedy. It was 108 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: tragedy that had weighed so heavy in the air of 109 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: the growth park in that chilly night. Time would pass 110 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,359 Speaker 4: and the night would become forgotten. The body would disintegrate 111 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: in the soil, along with the pink gown. The hardened 112 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 4: bones of the pitiful lady would disappear, but something seemed 113 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: to be left behind. At first, no one knew exactly 114 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 4: what it was, but they continued to hear the stories. 115 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: I've seen it, someone would say, I've seen it with 116 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: my own eyes. I was working late one night up 117 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 4: there in the main inn. It was quiet and there 118 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 4: was no one else around, and then all at once 119 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 4: I got the strangest feeling. I wasn't alone anymore. I 120 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 4: felt like someone was watching me. When my head was 121 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: turned the other way. It sort of sent a chill 122 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: up my spine, and the hair began to stand on 123 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 4: the back of my neck. I got a real cold shiver. 124 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 4: And when I looked up, there she was just standing there. 125 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: It was a lady in a long pink dress. She 126 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: seemed sad and dreary, maybe even a little bit lost. 127 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: And then almost as soon as I had seen her, 128 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 4: she just disappeared into thin air. It was like she 129 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: was never there. Generation after generation, the stories continued to 130 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: pour from the massive walls of the Grove park In. 131 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 4: Someone would see her from a distance, gliding across a hallway. 132 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: Someone else would round a corner and meet her face 133 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 4: to face just before she would vanish. And then there 134 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 4: were the mischievous things. Someone would watch the elevator being 135 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 4: buzz to the fifth floor, but the operator, much to 136 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: his surprise, would answer the call to meet an empty hallway. 137 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: Vacant rooms would be locked from the inside, and hotel 138 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,239 Speaker 4: lights would turn on and off with seemingly no controlling 139 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: hand in sight. Bellman maids, doctors, chiefs of police, children 140 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: and adults. The experiences spanned all walks of life. There 141 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 4: was a ghost in the Grove Park in Some would 142 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: exclaim as though it was a bad thing hotel administration 143 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: forbade conversation of the topic to avoid frightening guests. But 144 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 4: many more people who had picked up the story and 145 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: rumor came to the timeless end with the hopes of 146 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 4: catching a glimpse themselves. Some did, most did not, but 147 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 4: still once in a blue moon, a lucky someone would 148 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 4: see her, and those who did, in that single instance 149 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: that they saw the phantom glide away realized once and 150 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 4: for all its significance to the grow Park in In 151 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: most places people come and go, history presents itself and 152 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 4: then dies away, But not the Grow Park in the past. 153 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: The hotel's rich historical integrity is as alive and active 154 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 4: as ever. It literally roams the halls, and what better 155 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,359 Speaker 4: place to spend eternity than within the halls of the 156 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: world's greatest resort. 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Getting 248 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 4: back to the Pink Lady of the Grove Parkain, I 249 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 4: continued writing about the legend. Her identity remains a mystery. 250 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: Her very existence is shrouded with mystique. She is elusive, 251 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 4: forlorn and benevolent. She is beautiful yet sad. She is 252 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 4: welcomed by many, but feared by a few. To those 253 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 4: who see her often, she is a peaceful and comforting sight. 254 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 4: Yet even to them, she remains an enigma, misunderstood yet timeless. 255 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 4: She is an integral part of the culture of the 256 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 4: Grove Parkain. The mere mention of her name will wrinkle 257 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: a furrowed brow and revive a thousand dusty stories. The 258 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 4: workers of the Grove park In know her all too well. 259 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 4: They call her simply the Pink Lady, and so goes 260 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: the most familiar legend of the Grove park In. Since 261 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: its construction and by E. W. Grove in nineteen thirteen, 262 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 4: the famous hotel has seen a countless number of personalities 263 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 4: safeguarding guests, from Thomas Edison, Henry Ford and F. Scott 264 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 4: Fitzgerald to Harry Houdini, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Richard Nixon. 265 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 4: It's become a twentieth century American time capsule. And there 266 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: is so much I could tell you about this place. 267 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 4: Books have been written about the Grove Park in But 268 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 4: for so many years, up until the hotel contacted me 269 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: in the nineteen nineties, it was, like I say, it 270 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: was a topic that was taboo. You could not discuss 271 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: the pink Lady that the attitude was that it would 272 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 4: frighten away guests. Supposedly that was the explanation. And so 273 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 4: but they had some changes in management, and they realized 274 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 4: that haunted hotels were becoming popular in their own way, 275 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: especially like you know, around Halloween. Some of the people 276 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 4: who worked there had seen my work in the local newspaper, 277 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: the Ashville Citizen Times, and they hired me to go 278 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: in and have full access to the entire hotel and 279 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 4: all of its property for at least six months. I 280 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 4: think it was more than that, and I could interview 281 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 4: anybody I wanted to. They were authorized to speak with me. 282 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 4: I was able to spend the night in hotel rooms. 283 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 4: It was amazing. I mean, I think you could basically 284 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 4: make a movie. Out of that period of time I 285 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: was doing my research there. I interviewed hundreds of people, 286 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 4: and I could sit here and just tell you pink 287 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: ladies stories. One of my favorites, though, that I remember hearing, 288 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 4: was from a woman who had arrived at the Grove 289 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: Park in because she was there for a business conference. 290 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 4: They have a lot of those there, and she was 291 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: running kind of late, and she went into her room 292 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: and had to get changed very quickly so that she 293 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 4: could so that she could make it to a dinner, 294 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 4: and so she just kind of threw all of her 295 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 4: luggage on her bed there. And this is a fairly 296 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 4: recent story because you know, this includes a digital camera. 297 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 4: So she threw her all of her goods there on 298 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 4: this bed. She went to dinner, had her meetings, and 299 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 4: then when she came back, she was surprised to find 300 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: that her camera on the bed was turned on, and 301 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 4: she went to look to see how what the battery 302 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 4: level was, and she realized that while she was gone, 303 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 4: the camera had taken a picture and it was a 304 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: picture of her room from the ceiling looking down. Now, 305 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 4: was that the pink Lady? I don't know. Like I mentioned, 306 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: a lot of people say The Pink Lady just seems 307 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 4: kind of sad. There are other ghosts that are seen 308 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 4: at the Grove Park in as well, not surprisingly, and 309 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 4: I did write about that in my book. So the 310 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 4: idea was, okay, I was going to go out and 311 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: do all this research and put together an official report 312 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: for the marketing and the management team there so that 313 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 4: they could see if there was enough to this story 314 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 4: to take it and promote it as a positive thing 315 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: and get some free publicity out of it. And this 316 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 4: just it was miraculous. It dovetailed with me already in 317 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 4: the process of writing my book Haunted Ashville, and so 318 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 4: one of the things that I insisted on was that 319 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 4: they would let me use the story that I used 320 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 4: the work that I'd found in my book Haunted Ashville, 321 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 4: and they were fine with that. And that's why the 322 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: Pink Lady is on the of the first edition of 323 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 4: this book as actually my friend Ashley Simpson, who modeled 324 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: back in the day, and everybody knew her as the 325 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 4: Pink Lady after that. So I put this report together, 326 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 4: and when I sat down finally with some of the 327 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: big wigs there after they had read the report, I 328 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 4: was told, first off, this is amazing. You've done a 329 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: fantastic job. This is just what we were looking for. 330 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 4: You're one of the best writers that I've ever read. 331 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 4: I mean, like, they're just give me all these rat compliments. 332 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: And then one of the chief guys said, but nobody 333 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 4: will ever hear about Theory C. And he said, don't 334 00:23:54,920 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 4: forget we sue easily, and I bet you're wondering what 335 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 4: theory C is. Well in my report. Now you have 336 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 4: to remember I wrote this over thirty years ago. In 337 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: my report, I had a section at the back and 338 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 4: this was a private report just for the hotel. This 339 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 4: is something they had hired me to create for them. 340 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 4: There was a section at the back where I said, well, 341 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 4: who was the Pink Lady? You know, we've got all 342 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 4: these great stories. When I was doing my investigation, I 343 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 4: got all these spooky pictures and I documented a lot 344 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: of weird stuff. But I never saw the Pink Lady myself, unfortunately. 345 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 4: But you know, I had just a lot of really 346 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 4: good content there. But you know, the big question at 347 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: the end of the day is well, who was this woman? 348 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 4: Or is this a story that was just somehow made 349 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: up and like a topa that was created so I 350 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: listed I believe it was three theories A, B and C. 351 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: These were I think you call it E theory or hypothesis. 352 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 4: These are explanations, and I'm pretty sure it was theory 353 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: C that they didn't like. And I said, okay, no problem, 354 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 4: I will never talk about that, and I never did. 355 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 4: But now everything has changed because years ago the Growth 356 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: park In was bought out by a whole new company. 357 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 4: They call it the Omnigro Park In. A whole different 358 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 4: group of people own it and manage it now. And 359 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 4: I have wondered all this time if there was something, 360 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 4: if I touched a nerve with this theory C. Right, 361 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 4: So when we come back from this break, I'm going 362 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 4: to be very careful because I seriously I do not 363 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: want to intrude on anybody's privacy or anybody's legacy. But 364 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: I am going to give you some information that might 365 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 4: help you help me solve this if it is indeed 366 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 4: a cold case of some kind, you know, like a murder. 367 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 4: I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to strange things on 368 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coach Am Paranormal podcast network, 369 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: and I will be right back after these important messages. 370 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. 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Warren, 386 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. 387 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: When the Grove park End put together their official report 388 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 4: back there in the nineties again, I guess it was 389 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: right around ninety five. Ninety six when my book came out, 390 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 4: we produced a big media day and I'm telling you, 391 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 4: reporters came from all around the country and it was 392 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 4: just a huge hit. I got my face put all 393 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 4: over TV, which was big for me at that time. 394 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 4: I started selling bookoos of copies of Haunted Ashville became 395 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 4: the regional bestseller. To this day, I believe it is 396 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 4: the most stolen book from the Bunkhom County Library System. 397 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 4: So that's some kind of a compliment, even though I'm 398 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 4: not encouraging that. It was just a huge hit and 399 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 4: it did a lot to launch what became my career, 400 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 4: my bizarro career, and I will be absolutely forever grateful 401 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: to the people, the staff and the management there at 402 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 4: the Grove park In who gave me that opportunity. So 403 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: I'm certainly not here to say anything bad about anybody. 404 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 4: I'm simply saying that times change, and thirty years ago, 405 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: the people there, I don't believe wanted to get wanted 406 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 4: this particular idea to maybe distract from what they were 407 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 4: trying to market. And let me tell you one thing 408 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 4: that makes me very proud is that to this day, 409 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 4: even though the grow park In is owned by a 410 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 4: whole different group, a whole different company, et cetera. The 411 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 4: Pink Lady is still celebrated there. The last time I 412 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 4: was at the Grove park In, they had a big 413 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: exhibit about the Pink Lady with like, you know, a 414 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 4: mannequin wearing a pink dress. They were making Pink Lady 415 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 4: drinks at the bar. Kids would go to Room five 416 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 4: forty five, which I determined was the most likely room 417 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: where the Pink Lady was staying or at least died 418 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 4: outside of, and kids will to this day. They'll leave 419 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 4: notes outside Room five forty five, little notes and letters 420 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: and cards and gifts for the Pink Lady as if 421 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 4: they are writing to Santa Claus or the Tooth Theory. 422 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 4: It's amazing how that's happened. And if you've never been 423 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 4: to the Grove park In, you need to do yourself 424 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 4: a favor and go there. Have a hefty budget on hand. 425 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: It is not an inexpensive place by any means, but 426 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 4: it is breathtaking. And the spa there is the best 427 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 4: spa that I've ever been to. And that's you know, 428 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: you're talking to a guy here or hearing from a 429 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 4: guy who lives in Las Vegas, and I've been to 430 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 4: all the big spas in Las Vegas. But when we 431 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: did this investigation, I wrote this report. And you know 432 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 4: what the funny thing is, I don't even I can't 433 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: even find a copy of my report. I apparently I 434 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: don't have it scanned in on a drive or anything. 435 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: I'm assuming that my copies of this report are in 436 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 4: some of my storage units in Asheville, because you know, 437 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 4: I've moved around a lot. I moved from Ashville to 438 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 4: Puerto Rico. I lived for a while in Texas with 439 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 4: my wife, and then you know, we ended up out here. 440 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 4: And so I have too many possessions and a lot 441 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: of my stuff is stored away. So I can't even 442 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 4: put my hands on this report that I wrote thirty 443 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 4: years ago. So I can't guarantee you that what I'm 444 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 4: about to tell you is absolutely accurate. But I'm going 445 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 4: to do my best from memory, all right, So here 446 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 4: is the idea. The Grove Park in was built by E. W. 447 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 4: Grove and he was born in eighteen fifty and he 448 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 4: died in nineteen twenty seven. He was an American businessman, 449 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 4: magnet entrepreneur, a self made millionaire. He founded the Paris 450 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 4: Medicine Company, creating and producing its most well known patent 451 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 4: medicine products like Grove's tasteless chill tonic. And then then 452 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 4: later on he started investing and developed all of these 453 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 4: properties in the Southern United States, properties in Atlanta, Georgia, 454 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 4: and of course the jewel of the crown is the 455 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: Grove Park in in Asheville, North Carolina. So he was 456 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 4: a very impressive man who had a lot of power. 457 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 4: And E. W. Grove had a daughter who was apparently 458 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 4: quite in demand, and she ended up marrying this younger man, 459 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 4: a young man who worked for E. W. Grove. And 460 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 4: that man's name was Fred Seely. And Fred Seely was 461 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 4: born in eighteen seventy one and he died in nineteen 462 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: forty two. And he met W. Grove when he was 463 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 4: a young man and started working for him, and EW 464 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 4: Grove was so impressed Fred Seely was. He was a newspaperman, 465 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 4: a chemist, an inventor, a philanthropist. He quickly became Grove's 466 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 4: right hand man. So it made perfect sense that Fred 467 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 4: Seely would end up marrying ed Grove's daughter. I don't 468 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 4: think that Grove would have wanted anything else than that 469 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 4: that was like the perfect natural thing for Seely to 470 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 4: marry Grove's daughter. Grove and Seely were working together all 471 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 4: the time on everything, and Seely was the person who 472 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 4: actually sat down and sketched out the rough design for 473 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 4: the Grove park In. I know, so he was considered 474 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 4: sort of an architect. He was a very magnetic, charismatic person. 475 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 4: In fact, he was the first manager of the Grove 476 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 4: park In, and boy, he took that job seriously. And 477 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 4: he would go out and treat all the guests like 478 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 4: gold and you know, butter everybody up and provide for 479 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 4: them whatever they wanted. And back in those days, the 480 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 4: Grove park In was a much more private place because 481 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 4: there were so many high profile people there. There was 482 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 4: a big fence around the property. Access was restricted, Information 483 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 4: about what happened there was much more limited. And for 484 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 4: a while there it seemed like there was the perfect scenario. 485 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 4: Grove was happy, He's getting to be an old, rich 486 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 4: guy and everybody respects him. His daughter is happy to 487 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 4: be married to Fred Seely. Fred Seely loves being out 488 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 4: there as the center of attention. I mean, it's just 489 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 4: a really great dynamic. And then one day something goes wrong, 490 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, Grove and Sealy have some 491 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: big falling out and nobody knows exactly what happened. But 492 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 4: this falling out became so bad that by the time 493 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 4: Grove well, when Grove died and his will came out, 494 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 4: he didn't leave a single penny to fred Ceely. And 495 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 4: he had promised fred Ceely that he would leave him 496 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 4: some money in return for getting the rights to some 497 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 4: of fred Seely's innovations, and that was a crushing blow. 498 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 4: He left everything directly to his daughter, and it's very 499 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 4: like explicitly cut Fred Seeley out of the will. So 500 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 4: something went really bad toward the end of that relationship, 501 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 4: and nobody ever understood what went wrong. But you know, 502 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 4: these rich folks like that, you know, these kind of 503 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 4: dynastic figures, there's always some kind of drama going on. 504 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 4: And so when I was doing my research, I knew 505 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 4: that Fred Seely had been cut out of the wheel. 506 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 4: So I ended up going to the Buncome County Courthouse 507 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 4: because back when I was doing my research, I was 508 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 4: looking through every type of you know, old file and 509 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 4: old archives. There's no telling how many pieces of old 510 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 4: paper I put my hands on and when you read 511 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 4: this will all of a sudden there is this mysterious 512 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 4: little girl who is mentioned, and Grove leaves this little 513 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 4: girl quite a bit of money for the rest of 514 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 4: her life. And I thought that was really weird because 515 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 4: I was like, well, you know, this is a famous guy. 516 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 4: Where did this little girl come from? And you know 517 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 4: why was Seay cut out of the wheel? But this 518 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 4: little girl that nobody knows about is getting all this 519 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 4: money for the rest of her life. Now. I do 520 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 4: remember her name, but I'm not going to say it 521 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 4: because it is possible. It's unlikely, but it is possible 522 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 4: that she is still alive. She would have to be 523 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 4: very elderly at this point if she were still alive. 524 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 4: But I started looking at all this and I thought, well, 525 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 4: you know something else that's kind of odd is that, Okay, E. W. 526 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 4: Grove and his wife, as they got older, they didn't 527 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 4: really seem to care too much about each other. They 528 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 4: would go travel to different places and spend months apart, 529 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 4: and they just I wouldn't say they had a bad marriage, 530 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 4: but you know, they just kind of it seemed like 531 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 4: that they just sort of fell out of love. I 532 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 4: think that happens to a lot of people, especially when 533 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 4: they've got enough money to go and kind of do 534 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 4: their own thing. So I wondered, is it possible that 535 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 4: when Grove, okay, let me put this a way, is 536 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 4: it possible that somehow Fred Seely was involved in a 537 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 4: situation that resulted in the death of this young woman 538 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 4: at the Grove Park End, and somehow there was this 539 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 4: kid involved. And E. W. Grove was so angry about it, 540 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 4: especially since that Seely was married to his daughter, that 541 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 4: he decided to just sever tize with Seely and cut 542 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,959 Speaker 4: him out of the will. And yet this money goes 543 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 4: to this little girl. So what could have happened there? 544 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 4: What could have happened now? I think again, Cely, very charismatic, 545 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 4: magnetic man that everybody wanted to be around, entertaining all 546 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 4: kinds of people in the hotel. Could he have met 547 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 4: a young woman and somehow ended up in a bad situation. 548 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 4: We got to take a break when we come back 549 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 4: more on this, and I might be able to squeeze 550 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 4: in a listener email. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening 551 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 4: to strange things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast. 552 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 4: I AM Parianormal Podcast Network and I will be right back. 553 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere. 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Warren, 571 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 4: and you must realize that back in those days in Asheville, 572 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 4: when you had some of the richest, most powerful, most 573 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 4: well protected men in the world all coming together to 574 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 4: hang out and have a retreat, and some of them 575 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 4: would just outright live at the hotel. Well, it's no 576 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 4: secret that they're were lots of high class ladies of 577 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 4: the night in Ashville swirling around that culture. And you know, 578 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 4: some were pretty blatant prostitutes and some were just very 579 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 4: expensive girlfriends. And if you have any doubt of that, 580 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 4: it's quite well documented. There is this great book that 581 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 4: was published in the seventies by a man named Tony Batita, 582 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 4: and he I believe he owned a bookstore in Asheville 583 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 4: at that time, and he was he came into contact 584 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 4: with all these many of these figures, but especially f. 585 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 4: Scott Fitzgerald, who was constantly bringing ladies to his room. 586 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 4: That book is called after the Good Gay Times, Ashville 587 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 4: Summer of thirty five, a season with F. Scott Fitzgerald 588 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 4: in which some of this kind of activity is documented. 589 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 4: So there were lots of women going in and out 590 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 4: of the Grove parkin and it was common for a 591 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 4: lot of these men to not have their wives around 592 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 4: back then. So let's just face the reality. It's possible 593 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 4: that the Pink Lady was one of these types of women, 594 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 4: and that that is one of the real reasons that 595 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 4: this whole story has been shrouded in mystery, that for 596 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 4: so many decades it was like, do you do not 597 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 4: breathe a word about this ghost of this woman because 598 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 4: if people start probing into it, it's going to expose 599 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 4: some secret. And I am not suggesting that Fred Seely 600 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 4: did something with one of these women, but he may 601 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 4: have somehow been involved in a situation where one of 602 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 4: these women tried to blackmail him or somebody else, and 603 00:43:53,920 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 4: there was a child involved. I just don't know. That's 604 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 4: as far as I could take it based upon the 605 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 4: information that I had at the time. And so here 606 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 4: here's what I would like for you to do. If 607 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 4: you're the type of person who likes to get online 608 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 4: and be a sleuth, because that's very popular these days. 609 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 4: Find E. W. Grove's will, his last will and testament 610 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 4: there right and read through it, and you will find 611 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 4: the name of this little girl. Again, I'm not gonna say, 612 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 4: but you will find it's public record in the will. 613 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 4: If you figure out who that little girl was, where 614 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,399 Speaker 4: she came from, and how her life ended up, that 615 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 4: may be a clue that will open up the doors 616 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 4: to finally figuring out who the Pink Lady was. That's 617 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 4: what you can do if you're interested in this sort 618 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 4: of thing. And I don't know if his will is 619 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 4: I just did a cursory search online. I couldn't find 620 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 4: his will online. I know, you know, like I say, 621 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 4: back in my archives in one of my storerooms in Asheville, 622 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 4: I have copies of all this kind of stuff. But 623 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 4: I believe that, you know, that's a great tip. I've 624 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 4: never heard anybody talk about that before. And maybe there's 625 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 4: a reason, Maybe other people were told back in the day, 626 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 4: like hey, if you even breathe a word of this, 627 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 4: you know you might be facing some legal action. But look, 628 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 4: we're talking about guys who were public figures who died 629 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 4: a long time ago, and a mystery that's been around 630 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 4: for one hundred years. This is all speculation. Nobody's pointing 631 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 4: fingers at anybody, and we're dealing with a public record, 632 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 4: which is a will. Now, maybe this is just a 633 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 4: dead end, but so far, I mean it, What if 634 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 4: it's not, I mean, like, if nothing else has panned out, 635 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 4: nothing else has worked out, What if this is the 636 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 4: key to solving this great mystery? What a story that 637 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 4: would be So I hope that one of you out 638 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 4: there will take an interest in this and you know, 639 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 4: let me know what you find out. Just you can 640 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,880 Speaker 4: always contact me through my website. Go to Joshua Peewarren 641 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 4: dot com, scroll down and you'll find my email address. 642 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 4: But I'm easy to find. I'm all over the internet, 643 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 4: and I do my best to read every single message. 644 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 4: Uh oh, and it's impossible for me to read everyone, 645 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 4: but I do my best, especially if you've bought a 646 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 4: product or something like that. You know, either Mobius, my 647 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 4: shipper or I. You know, we will get back to you. 648 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 4: And if we don't, that means something's gone wrong and 649 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 4: we haven't gotten your message. So I hope that you 650 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 4: enjoyed that story and some of my thoughts about how 651 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,760 Speaker 4: we might actually you know, go back and change history. 652 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 4: I do, however, want to just include this. I've been 653 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 4: looking for an opportunity to bring this up for a 654 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 4: long time, and I keep forgetting and maybe the because 655 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 4: I'm talking about me writing books and about you know, 656 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 4: legal issues and all that. Well, you know. Back in 657 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 4: I guess it was twoenty fifteen, I published my book 658 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 4: called Use the Force, a Jedi's Guide to the Law 659 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 4: of Attraction, and that book eventually became published by Simon 660 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 4: and Schuster and it's done very well. And at one 661 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,240 Speaker 4: point the publisher asked me if I wanted the foreign 662 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,359 Speaker 4: language rights. They did that because that there were some 663 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 4: concerns at the company because they were selling when the 664 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 4: first publishing company was selling to another publishing company, and 665 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,760 Speaker 4: there were some issues about like clearing rights in other countries. 666 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 4: It's a long story, but I said, yes, I would 667 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 4: love to have the foreign language rights to the book. 668 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 4: And so I put the word out there that I 669 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 4: could sell the rights of this book in any language. 670 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 4: And I got contacted by this publisher in Canada, in Quebec, 671 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 4: and he just said, oh, I love this book. I 672 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 4: definitely want to publish it. You know, let's make a deal. 673 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 4: And I said, great, you know, sounds good. You know, 674 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 4: he wants to publish this thing in French. So we 675 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 4: corresponded for a while. I sent him all the files 676 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 4: to be translated, and then it was just crickets. Never 677 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 4: heard anything back. And I got my agent involved and 678 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 4: she contacted him and he wouldn't get back to her. 679 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 4: And then one day, boom, here is my book published 680 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 4: in French on Amazon. I don't speak French, but it's 681 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 4: called utilizes la force lelchon, I guess something like that. 682 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 4: And so he's selling my book. This the same selling 683 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 4: my book. Now I got on Amazon and bought my 684 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 4: own book. It was actually a nice print job, did 685 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 4: a very good job reproducing my book in French. He 686 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 4: even got on YouTube and shot a video of him 687 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 4: standing there holding this book that he is illegally published 688 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 4: and talking about what a great book it is. And 689 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 4: I just could not believe it. I mean, like my 690 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 4: agent and I were saying, we've never seen such a 691 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 4: blatant example of like copyright violation ever. So I contacted 692 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 4: a lawyer in Canada and we went after this guy 693 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 4: and he was just screwed. There was nothing he could 694 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,880 Speaker 4: do or say, and I mean he was on the 695 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 4: line for a lot of money and damages. And so 696 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,880 Speaker 4: we worked it out and he sent me a check. 697 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 4: But he also part of the deal was he had 698 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,839 Speaker 4: to send me his remaining stock of books, and he'd 699 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 4: been selling them in Europe as well as in Canada. 700 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 4: So one day I get this truck that pulls up 701 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 4: and it's full of all these boxes that have copies 702 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 4: illegally printed copies of my book Use the Force, and 703 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 4: they're all in French. I don't remember how many there are. 704 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 4: There's probably less than a thousand that we're still remaining, 705 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 4: but you know, it's a good chunk of books in French. 706 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,399 Speaker 4: So I've had these dropped off at my storage unit 707 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 4: here in Las Vegas, and I have no idea what 708 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 4: to do with these books. I don't really know anybody 709 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,400 Speaker 4: who is deep in the French world who would have 710 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 4: also like book knowledge, and so I guess here's what 711 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 4: I'm telling you. If you're listening to this show and 712 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 4: you have any ideas about how we can sell I 713 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,720 Speaker 4: don't know, four or five hundred copies have used the Force, 714 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 4: nicely printed copies in French, please contact me and let 715 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,879 Speaker 4: me know. My mind is open to all possibilities, and 716 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,719 Speaker 4: I hate to just see them sitting there onread but 717 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,320 Speaker 4: I just don't have a connection to distributing physical books 718 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 4: like that to the French speaking world. So let me know. 719 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 4: Go to my website and email me. All right, Well, 720 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 4: what a show. 721 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 5: You know. 722 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 4: I kind of wing stuff like this, so I feel 723 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 4: good when it feels like it kind of works out, 724 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 4: but I definitely am ready to end the show the 725 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 4: right way, taking that big deep breath. Close your eyes 726 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 4: if you can. We are going to meditate on the 727 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 4: twenty second, one and only original good Fortune tone, and 728 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 4: let's try to make our next week the best, most prosperous, 729 00:51:48,560 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 4: abundant and healthy ever here it is. That's it for 730 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,879 Speaker 4: this edition of the show. 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