1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to. Now, welcome 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and I'm Ben, 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: and we've got Noel Brown with us, super producer Noel Brown. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: He's just hanging out over there. Hey are you? Are 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: you making beat Snol? No? Okay, all right, better not 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: be what's Snol's nickname today, Matt? His name is flashing 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Light Noel Flashing lights, Flashing lights Brown, No one, Okay, 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: let us not get sued, uh, Matt. Before we jump 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: into today's show. Let's let's have a little bit of 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: of the story time, if you will, absolutely now, all right, 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: So this comes from a commencement speech I heard a 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: long long time ago, and it may be familiar to 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: some of you listeners out there. So, in the days 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: before refrigeration in the northeastern United States, there were these 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: companies that would transport ice via trucks. So they would 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: drive up to Canada or wherever the next big batch 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: of ice was. They would cut the blocks of ice, 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: they would throw hay over those blocks, and they would 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: drive back down to Boston and New York and other 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: cities in the Northeast. And you know, they'd lose a 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: lot of ice along the way. But people loved ice, 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: so they did. UH. They did pretty well for themselves. 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: They became an industry, a big industry. And then the 26 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: invention of refrigeration, right, a magic little box within which 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: you can place food, water that's cold enough to freeze. 28 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: You can make ice on your own. This was a 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: revolutionary thing for pretty much everybody. It made things safer, 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: it made things more convenient, It made UH, Canada just 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: a fingertip away everyone, that is, except for the ice 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: trucking companies and the ice trucking industry. UH could have 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: done a couple of things, could have started embracing refrigeration 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: or maybe building refrigerators something like that. But what they 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: did instead was invested in faster trucks, different types of hay. UH. 36 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: And what they did instead of working with refrigeration companies 37 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: was tried to shut them down by any legal means necessary, 38 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: and yes, because they were a threat to a status quo. 39 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: This is a tale as old as time. We see 40 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: it often that companies spend more time investing in maintaining 41 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: their status quo rather than innovating it, and that by 42 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: way of uh a circuitous UH family circus style comic 43 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: strip route brings us to today's topic, net neutrality the Internet. 44 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: How much control should a government have over the Internet 45 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: and people's access to it? And how should companies be 46 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: able to treat this precious thing that all of us 47 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: now rely on so heavily that we all need access 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: to arguably? Right? Yeah, how much control should a business 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: have over the Internet? How much control should a government 50 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: have over the Internet? Why is net neutrality just the 51 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: key word, the thought terminating cliche of net neutrality? Why 52 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: is it such a big deal? Why do why do 53 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: people care to answer that? We have to look at 54 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: the history of the Internet first, that's right, We have 55 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: to go all the way back to nineteen fifty seven. 56 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, a lot of the information you're 57 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: gonna be hearing right here comes from our buddy Jonathan Strickland, 58 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: who was on our show not long ago. You might 59 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: remember him. You can find him over at tech Stuff 60 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: and Forward Thinking, Thank you, sir. So Way back in 61 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven, the US was pretty terrified that the 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: U S. S R could launch a missile at North 63 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: America because they launched sput Nick, this satellite that they 64 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: shot up into space, and everybody over here just went, 65 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: oh boy, they can do that, and what else can 66 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: they do? That's a little scary. Yeah, they said. They 67 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: were sitting around, probably eating pizza or something, and one 68 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: of them said, ah, man, space is pretty far away. 69 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: If they could get something in space, could they get 70 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: it in Washington exactly? Could they could hit my house? 71 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: This led President Dwight D. Eisenhower to create the Advanced 72 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: Research Projects Agency or ARPA in nineteen fifty eight as 73 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: a direct response to this launching the spot Nick. And 74 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: the purpose of this agency was to give the US 75 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: some kind of technological advantage over other countries, like to 76 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: be the leading edge in all of these technologies. Um. 77 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: And one important part of ARPA's mission was computer science 78 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: because these were this is a brand new field that 79 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: was emerging, and you know, how can we use these 80 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: machines to become even better? Right? Yeah. ARPA, which is 81 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: a predecessor beginner of what is now known today is 82 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: dark and a couple other agencies. ARPA itself was the 83 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: think tank for mad science, and one of those most 84 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: mad science things at the time was was the computer. Now, 85 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: computers in the nineteen fifties. You may remember some of you, 86 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: and then some of you may just remember seeing these 87 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: on television or something. But point his computers in the 88 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties were not mac air books. They were enormous, 89 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: size of rooms, size of buildings. They could only read 90 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: magnetic tape or punch cards. Uh. Shout out to IBM 91 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: and World War two. Google it if you'd like to 92 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: learn more. And they could not network at all, like 93 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: the Haggard anti heroes in action films and westerns. Uh. 94 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: These computers worked alone, only work by myself. Well, that's 95 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: a huge and important point here, that computers were self 96 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: involved things that you you couldn't even imagine that all 97 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: of these computers could talk to one another one day 98 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: in the future, back in the day, but a few 99 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: people could. Now ARPA wanted to change this with the 100 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: help of a company called Bolt, Barneck and Newman. They 101 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: networked four of these computers with four different operating systems 102 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: os is working together in this thing that they called 103 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: ARPA net. Uh. The ARPA network one of the first networks. 104 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead. And also while we're here, correct the 105 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: commonly misquoted Al Gore thing, Okay, I like the idea 106 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: of one person venting the Internet. It's hilarious and impossible. 107 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: But he said he took the initiative in it usually 108 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: taken a mean that as a senator he pushed for 109 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: funding of that. So there you go, Al stop right, 110 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: and they hate mail, We get it. I'm kidding. Al 111 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: Gore is probably a nice person, is not to my 112 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: knowledge written to our show. Uh, But he doesn't really 113 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: come up in this because, of course one person could 114 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: never invent the Internet. There's already so many people involved. 115 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: Just to get to ARPA. But the evolution continues because 116 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three, some of these people engineers started thinking, 117 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: could we connect our pannette to other networks. They started 118 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: with pr net, the Packet Radio Network, and the idea 119 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: here Matt was that they could send data across radio 120 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: waves transmitters receivers rather than phone lines. And it took 121 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: a few years, but in nineteen seventy six they connected 122 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: these networks and then they said we need more inteventy 123 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: seven they joined with the satellite network, which called what 124 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: do you Think? What do you think? That's called listeners Yep, 125 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 1: it's sat Net and the engineers called this connection between 126 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: the multiple networks internetworking or the Internet. And now we 127 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: come to uh, let's fast forward. The closest you can 128 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: get to one single person inventing quote unquote the Internet 129 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: is a guy named Tim berners Lee who created a 130 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: system to simplify web navigation. This is what we call 131 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: the world Wide Web, and the Internet and the world 132 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: Wide Web are different things that are often confused. Now, Matt, 133 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: you and I at different times for a show called 134 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Stuff of Genius. We did we did a little bit 135 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: of history about this guy, right, Yeah, we did. He's fascinating, 136 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: great story. Check out Stuff of Genius on the How 137 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: Stuff Works YouTube channel. Yeah, and uh, Jonathan might even 138 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: narrate that episode. We've got a couple of different narrators here. 139 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: You were one. Yeah, recently, I've been on there a lot. Yeah, 140 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: your episodes of popping up. It's a bit strange, but 141 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: it's cool. Check it out, especially if you have kids 142 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: who want to learn about little loon inventors. Uh. It's 143 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: a show that I wrote for a long time. You 144 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: did voice on, Tyler did some editing. Yeah, our by 145 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: our buddy the producer for stuff to blow your mind. 146 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: Uh did the editing. It's kind of like a almost 147 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: Monty Python esque good stuff. But back to the history 148 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: of the Internet. Yes, yeah, so from here's here's some 149 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: really neat stuff. Uh the recent history internet usage from 150 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand fourteen, Internet usage sky rocketed 151 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: matt from almost three hundred and sixty one million Internet 152 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: users across the world in two thousand to get this 153 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: three just over three billion, So three billion, thirty five million, 154 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: seven home forty nine, three and forty people. Geez, seven thousand, 155 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: three and forty people. What's the what's the growth rate there? 156 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: You know? Uh, let's see. I could get out some paper, 157 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: but you're good at math. What do you think it is? 158 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Just give me a second here, let me just for 159 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: us to carry the one that's seven hundred. A growth 160 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: rate of seven hundred that is bonkers. And for those 161 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: of you who like specific numbers, that Internet usage stat 162 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: from two thousand was three hundred and sixty million, nine 163 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five thousand, four hundred and ninety two. Uh. 164 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Those are just estimates, of course. But there's something else 165 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: that's weird here. As of two thousand thirteen, at least 166 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: the Internet remained a largely English language domain. Yeah, that's right. 167 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Of the Internet's content is in English. Only twenty seven 168 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: percent of Internet users speak English. Isn't that a little weird? Uh? Yeah, 169 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: that is. That is strange, And I think there's a 170 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's a disconnect between those stats. 171 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: But we'll have to look into it some more because 172 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 1: let me and get to the part I'm sure everybody's 173 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: waiting for, and that is the part where we complain 174 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: about the Internet in the United States. Friends, Romans, Canadians, countrymen, 175 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: anyone who is not in the United States. Uh may 176 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: not be as aware of this as you are in 177 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: the US. But compared to other countries South Korea, definitely, Uh, 178 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: the United States is every customer in the United States, 179 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: with a few exceptions, is paying way more for way 180 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: less and uh. Part of this is because cable companies 181 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: need a new infrastructure. But another part is that when 182 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, when you're a small town that says, well, 183 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: we don't want to participate, we want to build our 184 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: own broadband, then all of a sudden, the cable company 185 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: that refused your service, or the telecom rather, uh is 186 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: right up there on Main Street in the courthouse telling 187 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: the judge you shouldn't be allowed to do it. And 188 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: that's something we'll talk about a little bit more when 189 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: we talk about this neutrality stuff. And I want to 190 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: be clear here. I think Matt, you and I should 191 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: both be clear. For a lot of people, including us, 192 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: the Internet, whatever that means to you, is more than 193 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: a pastime primary source of information for a lot of people. 194 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: The days of reading micro fish are done. Uh. For 195 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people, it's ah, in our case, it's 196 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: a career. Yeah, it's what we do every day. Everything 197 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: we do goes onto the Internet. So clearly, you and 198 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: I and NOL as well, we have a bias of 199 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: sorts because we want people to be able to go 200 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: onto the internet find whatever they want, uh and well, okay, 201 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: find and whatever legal stuff they want, and we want 202 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: we want it to be as easy as possible for uh, 203 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: you guys to check out our show, because you know, 204 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: we're very fortunate that you would take your free time 205 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: to check out this crazy thing that we're doing. So 206 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: we love the Internet. Oh yeah, and by the way, 207 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: we might have to have a little conversation later about 208 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: you spending all your time with us. I mean, what 209 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: are you thinking. We appreciate it, but man, don't listen 210 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: to that. Hang out as long as you want, Okay. 211 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: So so that's that's some recent history. That's a quick 212 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: and dirty here um. And now the Internet, this amazing 213 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: thing allows you to find almost anything if you look 214 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: hard enough. One fee to your I s P let 215 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: you go anywhere online that you legally want to go. 216 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: Uh So, but how long could this last? I just 217 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: want to say, I love that one fee to your 218 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: I s P. It really felt like you were about 219 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: to bust into a larger rhyme. Oh hey, thank you man. 220 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Sometimes, you know, sometimes the poetry just 221 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: finds you. Right. But yeah, how long could this last? Well? 222 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: For not long, apparently, because the current debate over neutrality, 223 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: it's framed up as a fight between big business and government. Right, 224 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: these are the two opposing sides that we are presented with, 225 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: at least if you watch the news and the supporters 226 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: of each side, they like to claim that their team 227 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: represents the true interests of the common American man. But 228 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: how much of that is true? Ben? This is that 229 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: thing that we've talked about before, the Galien dialect where 230 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: you've got two opposing sides and you're only really you're 231 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: supposed to only be allowed to choose one. But really 232 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: there's much more middle ground there. And it's also then 233 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: you you call Chomsky's framing debate. Yeah, it's just both 234 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: of what these are really are false dichotomys or the idea. 235 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: I guess what you're talking about, um, specifically is the 236 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: the idea that people are only allowed to choose between 237 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: two things. The framing debate is more like there are 238 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: things that are not allowed to be in the conversation. So, um, 239 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: you can have a framed debate with more than two sides. 240 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: But our question, our our question here today is is 241 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: really about this, uh, this whole debate over net neutrality 242 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: and why are we doing this? Well, because there was 243 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: a recent ruling by the FCC or Federal Communications Commission 244 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: that changes the game. Yeah, on February of this year, 245 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: the f SEC approved the Open Internet Order. It's a 246 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: three ruling that most importantly reclassifies the Internet under Title two. 247 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: It's the same power that's used to regulate phone lines, 248 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: phone companies and how they use that infrastructure. Right, And 249 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: it ultimately comes from our originally comes from I should say, uh, 250 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: some laws regarding railroads that you can learn more about 251 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: if you check out our video this week where we 252 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: actually have an interview with Jonathan he's our he's our 253 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: go to guru for tech stuff and uh, this this, 254 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about this open Internet or a little 255 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: bit later in more depth. But at the top level, 256 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: here's what it did. It requires some more transparency on 257 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: the part of your I, S P S or telecoms. 258 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: It prohibits blocking websites and what they call unreasonable discrimination, 259 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: which is a slippery slippery term legally speaking. And also, 260 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: and this is a huge part, it allows municipalities to 261 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: offer a public option for their broadband accent. Now that's 262 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: huge in places like where I live, pretty close to 263 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: our office. Yeah, you, I think the only two options 264 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: right now are A T and T and Comcast, which 265 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: I use. And if there was a public option, and 266 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: I would hop on that, I would only do it 267 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: if it were a better deal. But see what I 268 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: I think I would do it. This is maybe if 269 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: this is playing my hand too early, but I think 270 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: I would do it out of I don't know, some 271 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: principle and I you know, I've been. I've been a 272 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: customer of Comcast for a long time and I you know, 273 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: arguably they've treated me pretty well, but man, I've paid 274 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: out the law zoo for that stuff. Yeah. So, the 275 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: situation that people were finding themselves in, and we've all 276 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: read reports about this in the United States, was that 277 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: there would be towns or communities that were kind of 278 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: in a rural area, and the telecom that had blocked 279 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: them off in its territory would say, we're not going 280 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: out there. It's not worth our investment to make that connection. 281 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: But then when those communities tried to build their own 282 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: broad band, all of a sudden, we're up in court. 283 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: So on the offset. This sounds like stuff every everybody 284 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: would like, right, even whatever your ideological bent is, I 285 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: think we can all get behind the idea that if 286 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: a group of people wants to build their own thing 287 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: for themselves, it seems fairly fairly cut and dry. However, 288 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: that's just one piece. That's not the piece that's being 289 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: um I guess quoted the most. What's being quoted the 290 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: most is this idea of the open carrier title common 291 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: carrier UH title to stuff. And we have an op 292 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: ed that objects to Uh, some of this ruling. It's 293 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: from Jeffrey a Man. He had an op ed and 294 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: wired and it says quote Title to reclassification also allows 295 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: the FCC to impose a general conduct or catch all provision. 296 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: Under this standard, the FCC asserts its authority over literally 297 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: anything else that, in the eyes of three commissioners seems unreasonable. 298 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: As former Commissioner Robert McDowell has pointed out, reasonable is 299 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: perhaps the most litigated word in American history, which is 300 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: a valid, valid point. So Jeffrey Man goes on to 301 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: say that now the I s p s are regulated 302 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: under this Title two thing as common carriers, the Federal 303 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: Trade Commission can't enforce consumer protection laws against them anymore. 304 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: So this is not all you know, this is not 305 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: all good guys bad guys kind of stuff. But here's 306 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: here the big questions. Who actually owns the Internet? Uh, 307 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: it's it's tough to say, right, Yeah. Is it the 308 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: people who own the fiber optic wires that go underneath 309 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: the oceans and throughout you know, the continents? Right? Is 310 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: it the most successful online companies like Google for instance? Yeah, 311 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: the ones who make all the money. There? Is it 312 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: you and your friends who owns the Internet. We do 313 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: know that the people regulating it. There's an organization called 314 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: I CAN. Isn't that precious? And it stands for the 315 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: Internet Corporation for Signed Names and Numbers. Uh. This is 316 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: a nonprofit that coordinates maintains the name of names of 317 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: the Internet. Is the reason ww dot How Stuff Works 318 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: dot Com is just ww dot how Stuff Works dot 319 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: com or even stuff They don't want you to know 320 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: dot Com. Uh. They have a contract with the Department 321 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: of Commerce to do this. Still enormously controversial. People have 322 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: beef with I CAN. I love that name so much 323 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: and you you made a little joke about it, But 324 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: it is a it is a cute name. I CAN. Yeah, 325 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: I would totally. I would totally name a company I 326 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: CAN if it hasn't been covered. So now let's talk 327 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: about the definition of net neutrality, which you know, usually 328 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: when you hear a word having a definition, you expect 329 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: it will be one thing. But this has a very 330 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: different nuance depending upon whom you're talking to. Who you're 331 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: talking to, I can never figure out who and whom. Yeah, 332 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a question that will remain throughout time. Then 333 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: we speak American English, it's fine, everything's a verb, and 334 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: if you just make the same mistake consistently, it becomes 335 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: the rule. That's right. It will be put into Webster's 336 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: little book that he wrote sometime a long time ago. 337 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: Who knows, the definition of net neutrality changes depending on 338 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: which one of these sides you happen to exist. For 339 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: For businesses, UH, they would say that net neutrality is 340 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: the freedom of businesses to grow and innovate without the 341 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: hampering of any kind of invasive regulation from a government. 342 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: But then on the other side, the governments would argue 343 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: that net neutrality is the freedom of Internet users to create, access, play, work, 344 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: and live online without the hampering of invasive or manipulative 345 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: business practices. Okay, so we've got two groups each saying 346 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: the other one is the bad guy, yes, and that 347 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: net neutrality like kind of co opting that that term 348 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: for their own means right. And if you look at 349 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: what the FCC is saying, or the common party line, 350 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: we hear about net neutrality or open internet, which is 351 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: the UH phrase they've been using more and more. This 352 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: is defined as requiring all Internet service providers to allow 353 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: users or customers equal access to legal content and applications 354 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: or apps. Uh, instead of doing a couple of things 355 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: that are possible now, like requiring users or other businesses 356 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: to pay extra for faster speed, which is a glass 357 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: half full way to phrase. The actual danger and the 358 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: actual danger is that users or other businesses website owners 359 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: would be throttled if they refuse to pay for a 360 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: premium service. Uh. But this wouldn't just be a slowdown 361 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: or speed up on your Internet connection. There would be 362 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: the question of what you could access at all. Right, Yeah, 363 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: the one of the biggest problems would be if these 364 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: I s He's decided to start carving up the Internet. 365 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: The way if you have a cable subscription right now, 366 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: there are different packages that you can buy, and you 367 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: have to pay a little bit more money if you 368 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: want to increase and get a couple more channels, Like 369 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: if you want the sports package, then hey, you can 370 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: get that. And in this case it would be let's 371 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: say you you've got the basic Google package, but then 372 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: you want to add on the Reddit sub package or whatever, 373 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: so you get Reddit Premium, you get Google Premium, Reddit 374 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: Google Premium Fast Lay now with Reddit, yes, extra blast CNN, 375 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, yeah, um, which is a possibility there's 376 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: also the possibility that there would be UH no access 377 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: to some websites at all. Maybe maybe somebody had a 378 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: website that was like down with I, S P S 379 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: or something, and you would never know it because you 380 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: would not be allowed to see it. You have to 381 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: pay a month just to see that website. And of 382 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: course the A C l U H predictably has a 383 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: big problem with this because they're concerned as man ampilization. 384 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: They say that most people get their high speed internet 385 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: access from only a few telecoms rise in A T 386 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: and T, Comcast, Time, Warner, Cox, and Charter UH. They 387 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: say that these other smaller groups, and there are a few, 388 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: have to rely on the big guys, the big companies, 389 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: to serve their customers. When we send and received data 390 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: over the net, we expect these companies to transfer that 391 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: from one end to the network to the other, not 392 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: to analyze or manipulate it. And for a while, the 393 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: FCC had protections in place to stop these providers from 394 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: doing that. However, in January, a federal court said that 395 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: the FEC had overstepped its bounds, but while it also 396 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: said the FEC could impose new and potentially even stronger rules. 397 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: It took a while, but in uh, they just did 398 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: it right, I think, yeah, February awesome. So uh, well, 399 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: we'll see. I would feel I would feel much better 400 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: about that ruling if I had read it. It's true, guys. Uh, 401 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: this is a podcast on something that we have never read, 402 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: which we actually avoid. So let's let's save that part. 403 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: Let's save that part for a second, because we should 404 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: say that this but this idea of that neutrality, this 405 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: idea of using governmental powers to prevent monopolies of cable 406 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: providers turning into even worse businesses, uh, also runs the 407 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: risk of creating this Orwellian big brother Internet like uh 408 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: could the questions could government control the net be worse 409 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: than an oligarchist corporate regime? I mean, anonymity could be 410 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: gone completely, the government might not allow certain websites to 411 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: be accessed, just like in our other hypothetical thing with governments. 412 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: But there's an important point about that that we will 413 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: also make at the end. The question now is why 414 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: does it matter who should control the game, which, if 415 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 1: any side governed, business, etcetera, represents the interest of the 416 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: common people. You know, Jane Doe out there or Jane 417 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: knew you in out there just searching for the closest 418 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: barbecue place. We've all been there. It's desperate times, you know. 419 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: Or John P. Wallfopter, which I don't think is real, 420 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: last name out out there trying to navigate on his phone, 421 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: Like what, who represents these people? Well, let's go with 422 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: option A. Okay, let's say, just for argument's sake, that 423 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: the Internet service providers own the Internet. Okay, the businesses then, well, 424 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: they're not perfect, right, They've done some they've done some 425 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: pretty shady stuff right. Well, yeah, one of the things 426 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: they did is, well they do they tend to have 427 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: these mono let's let's I guess we'll just call it 428 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: monopolistic practices. They tend to exist in areas where they're 429 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: really the only choice and there aren't many other there are. 430 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: There really is a competition in a lot of places. 431 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: And part of that is it's proven that the leadership 432 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: of these companies has in some cases agreed to rope 433 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: off turf for each other. Well yeah, especially as they're 434 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: buying up other companies, as they're getting larger and larger, 435 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: which drives opponents crazy. Which again, but the the legal 436 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: basis of this hasn't hasn't resulted in these companies not 437 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: doing it, And then you know some people who are 438 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: supporters would say, well that's you have to be able 439 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: to guarantee a predicted income of some sort, so there's 440 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: money coming in. Uh. Speaking of money, they've also been 441 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: accused of unethical billing practices. You'll see these stories pop 442 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: up online all the time. Someone says, I just found 443 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: out I was getting charged, you know, ten to fifteen 444 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: dollars a month for a modem that I have never 445 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: touched or seen or something like that. You know, that's anecdotal, 446 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: but we hear those stories all the time. We hear 447 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: them and they we have experienced them me. So uh. 448 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: There they go through constant litigation to make sure that 449 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: their customers can't get around some of the regulations and 450 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: rules that they have sh when you're a customer, like 451 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: improving their situation. They banned band broadband like municipal like 452 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, and they'll they'll use data capping 453 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: so you can only use x amount of the Internet 454 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: and data capping on some applications but not on others. 455 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: So if you watch something via your Xbox, to pay 456 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: on which app you use it may or may not 457 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: count towards your data cap Uh. This is this is 458 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: something that is still being like handled in courts. People 459 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: are talking about how how data capping translates. What do 460 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: people actually get when you're paying for it? What is 461 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: the expectation? Right? Uh? They also of course throttle have 462 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: throttled access US two websites or services they don't like. Um. 463 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: One of the big things we always hear about this 464 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: is Netflix. Right, Yeah, there there is a a correlation there. 465 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: Oh so I guess that means that clearly the government 466 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: is the best uh watchman or gatekeeper of the Internet, 467 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: right absolutely. I mean they're already watching everything that happens 468 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: on the Internet right from that data center in Utah. 469 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: That's a good point to say, Yes, let's introduce it 470 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: this way. The US government in particular is no angel, 471 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: and that is not is not a conspiracy theory. It's 472 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: not some uh weird, overly dramatic thing to say the 473 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: United States government is monitoring everybody like that old Gift 474 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: where it's Gary Oldman screaming everyone. That's what they're doing. Yeah, 475 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: if you've got privacy somewhere and you think that it exists, 476 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: they're invading it. You can just assume that uncle's Sam 477 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: knows where you're going, what you ate for lunch, probably yeah, 478 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: on that credit card receipt and transaction that went through. 479 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: And you know, they just know about your phone's location data, 480 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: and that's all they need to know for to to 481 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: tell where someone's going. The phone's location data can be 482 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: enormously revealing. There's some fantastic reporting done recently about law 483 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: enforcement cell tower cloning, which is another another way to 484 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: get this information. So so we're worried about corporations tracking us, 485 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: but uh, we're worried about government invasion of people's personal 486 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: rights that already occurred more than a year ago. It 487 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: already the cat is out of the bag, the badgers 488 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: out of the can. I made that one up. So 489 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: also there's a possibility of burying. There's a little bit 490 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: more conspiratorial, the possibility of burying a a story that 491 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: they don't care for, suppressing a conversation. And you know what, 492 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: if too many people start saying, hey, the Federal Election 493 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: Commission is kind of weird, then uh, they could say oh, 494 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: or they say, oh, Trayvon Martin was shot a year 495 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: ago today, which uh, happened just very recently as we 496 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: record this, And I'd like to thank our Twitter listener 497 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: who pointed this out because I thought that was an 498 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: astute point. Or whichever government shill posted that white and 499 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: gold dress picture right, which I still haven't read about. 500 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: But what are the people who believe that the government 501 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: is actively manipulating what goes viral, what is and is 502 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: not buried? Believe that that picture of address was part 503 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: of it? Are those llamas on Twitter part of a distraction? Now? 504 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: I think that is possible, if only because we don't 505 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: know very much about a lot of social media algorithms. 506 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, Ben, by denying it, you automatically become a 507 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: target of what of the uh the ire of people 508 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: who would believe these things? You know, I would love 509 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: to know if it is true. I really would. I 510 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: think it's completely I think it's possible. I do think 511 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: it's possible to control through those bottlenecks what people see. 512 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: Facebook spends a lot of time just Facebook spends a 513 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: lot of time doing that. Or or it could be 514 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: that this is all completely random. Maybe just one person 515 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: found that dress and when they posted it, the next 516 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: person said, oh no, it's this way and they were fascinated. 517 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: And then our populist is just more interested in that 518 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: dress than whether or not their Internet is going to 519 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: be available to them and how and how much they're 520 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: gonna have to pay for it. Now, if you ask me, Matt, 521 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: that is a much more disturbing possibility. But Okay, speaking 522 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: of disturbing, let's get to the good stuff. Matt Frederick, 523 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: what is the stuff they don't want you to know 524 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: about the Internet. Well, the first thing is that it 525 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: is extremely difficult to be completely truly anonymous when accessing 526 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: the Internet in any sense. Check out our our Tech 527 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: Stuff episode that we specifically focused on this. Yeah, how 528 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: to access the Internet anonymously? Yeah, or just it's a 529 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: fairy tale. You really can't do it, even if you're 530 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: using the Onion router tour because it was developed by 531 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: the government. By the government, just say, well you can. 532 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: You can do it, but it is just incredibly inconvenient. 533 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: It's spy stuff, to the point of dressing differently in 534 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: a nondescript costume, going to a computer you've never used 535 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: before in a public place, not carrying a cell phone, 536 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: and then never touching that computer again. Yeah, if you 537 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: want to go full ed snowden with it. You can, um, 538 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: but good luck it it's not. It's not a fun 539 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: thing to do. And there's so if we know that 540 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: this anonymity is out the window, uh, we know that 541 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: there's no way around this, regardless of your personal feelings 542 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: or your ideological bent. The fact of the matter is 543 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: that several large telecoms have not all the time, but 544 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: have in the past actively worked to hamper uh what 545 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: consumers want. Part of this is is lobbying, right, Yeah. 546 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: They lobby to prevent all kinds of follow through on 547 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: infrastructure updating, so we can't have faster access to the internet. Uh. 548 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: Comcast is one of the biggest lobbying groups in terms 549 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: of cost how much money they spend, only beaten by 550 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: Northrop Grumman, the defense contractor. So, and we've already talked 551 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: about the legislating against communities. Now at the time of 552 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: this recording, this is one of the things you wanted 553 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: to hold for a second. At the time of this recording, 554 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: it is true, Matt, for the very first time in 555 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: the lifetime of our show, you and I are doing 556 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: an episode about something that we we haven't really read. 557 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: We've read news stories about it. Yeah, but those people 558 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: writing those news stories, guess what, they haven't read it either. 559 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: That's because the big FCC agreement that happened on February 560 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: is called the Open Internet Order, and at the time 561 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: of this recording, ladies and gentlemen, the Open Internet Order, 562 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: all three d pages of it, is not available to 563 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: the public. One last time, the Open Internet Order is 564 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: not available for public reading. Now that might change. I 565 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: hope it does, but maybe pick a different name when 566 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: you're gonna do stuff like that. So, so here's the thing. 567 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about all this stuff. And now I 568 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: know it sounds like we are taking shots at everybody, 569 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: but we haven't said, to our knowledge anything about these 570 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: companies or these governments that is untrue. Right there. Here's 571 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: one of the weird things. Though. As much as people 572 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: love to vilify these larger companies, right, everybody loves an underdog, 573 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: everybody hates a big, faceless company, right, But the corporations, Matt, 574 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: they couldn't have had these sweetheart lobbying deals unless they 575 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: worked with way Oh, the big opponent in the debate, 576 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: the government. And furthermore, the government couldn't have done all 577 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: this crazy, spooky or Willian, let's look into everybody's phones. Thing, 578 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: if they didn't work directly with corporations and other I 579 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: s p s to you know, to figure out how 580 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: to do it and to gather all this information, right 581 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: like those old A T and T switch rooms that 582 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: we hear about. And so so this is a good question, 583 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: like are there really two sides here? Considering that wheel 584 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: are the current FCC chairman who put this through, uh 585 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: came from a lobbyist position. There is a revolving door here. 586 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: So if that is all true, If if these people 587 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: that are being portrayed as ideological opponents big government versus 588 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: big business, if the teams they're rooting for are so 589 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: closely cooperating, Now, what's going on here? Like, what what 590 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: would net neutrality actually do or excuse me, open internet? Well, 591 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: in theory, it would allow society humans in general to 592 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: take advantage of this pretty badass technology that the Internet 593 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: is without the powerful muddying things up. And it would 594 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: it pretty much allow you to talk and talk to 595 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: and instantly access information with someone across the globe or 596 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: even somebody who's up there in your Earth orbit, just 597 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,959 Speaker 1: at any time. The in theory, if the Internet was open, 598 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: you could use it to talk to anyone or access 599 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: anything at any time. Now here's one of the things 600 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: that people don't often bring up, which is, you know, 601 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,919 Speaker 1: although we can vilify I, S P S, uh, they 602 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: are the reason that those things are working the way 603 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: they are now, and it would cost money to maintain things. Right. 604 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: I think every time a fiber optic cable is busted 605 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: somewhere in the ocean, entire countries can lose Internet access. Well, 606 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: and you gotta yes, I think that's a really great 607 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: point that is lost on me many of the times. 608 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: It's that these corporations spent craploads of money to make 609 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: sure it works. There's a lot of taxpayer money in 610 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: there too, Right, there's a lot of taxpayer money. But 611 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: these corporations, well, and they did it, and I don't 612 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: give them, Uh, those corporations the benefit of that fact. 613 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: Very often. Well, this net neutrality thing, it stops what 614 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: John Oliver, who had a great piece on this and 615 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: last week tonight, it stops what he calls cable company 616 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: will paraphrase and say shenanigans, okay, in exchange for giving 617 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: the f c C the power to decide what it 618 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: considers reasonable that word reasonable reasonable? What is a reasonable 619 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: interpretation of the word reasonable. That's the that's the tautology 620 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: that is as restricted so much in as sure is. 621 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: It's an oor Boro solids own. Um. So these are 622 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: some of the things we know, and we wanted to 623 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: ask you all a question that I just want to 624 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: put in your heads right now. What what is the 625 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: relationship here? Is? Is this Open Internet Order which we 626 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: will publicize if we can find a copy to read. 627 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: Is the Open Internet Order? Um? A good thing for people, 628 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: a good thing for government, a good thing for business? 629 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: Are these forces really opposed? You know? What's what's the 630 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: real story? We want to know what you think the 631 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know about the internet is. 632 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: And now one of our favorite parts of the show, 633 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: well we just talk about the future. Yes, the future, 634 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: great Orwellian future of an open internet that can that 635 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: the government can see into at all times and every 636 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: part of it, which again I feel like that's already happened. 637 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 1: And this is just me too. I think the Internet 638 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: at some point it's going to be that it really 639 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: is the lifeblood of commerce. Now, the Internet, it's it's 640 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: the way that we access almost everything, and if we don't, 641 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: if humans don't have access to it cheaply and a 642 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: very strong signal, then I think we fail as a society. 643 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: We will fail in the future. So I think eventually 644 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: this act I think will maybe change a couple of things. 645 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: But this isn't gonna be you know, the cure all pill. 646 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: It's going to make the Internet open, truly open. But 647 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: I think it will happen in the future. But when 648 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: it does happen, it's going to be so controlled by 649 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: whatever governmental entity that exists at that time, the most 650 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: powerful global one that it's gonna be. It's gonna be 651 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: this uh, pretty dark thing. I think it's I'm really 652 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: interested to see how this changes and how that movie 653 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: Hackers way back in the day becomes more of a 654 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: reality with this weird under class of people who just 655 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: hacked the Internet and fight back against these powers. Yeah, 656 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see this to know a lot of 657 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, some of that is already happening. 658 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: Anymous um. I think one of the great social experiments 659 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: of our time is going to be applying psychological manipulation 660 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: on mass scales, like the idea of propaganda is is 661 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: changing fundamentally. Um, this is a little bit aside from 662 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: the point about net neutrality. But the scary thing that 663 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: happened possibly is that if a group, you're a hypothetical 664 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: the most powerful force if that group, whether a company 665 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: or government, uh garners enough influence. I think there will 666 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: be a social experiment where we'll move from the age 667 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: where authorities tried to control people into the age where 668 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: authorities taught people to control themselves, which is a frightening thing. 669 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: And when I say control themselves, I don't mean like 670 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: not urinate in public. You know exactly what I mean 671 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: I do. And it feels like we're in a way 672 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: brave new world. Nice nice, Well you know what that 673 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: music means. Later to each other. Uh, it is time 674 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: for us to check out here. Hopefully we will be 675 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: back at the same bat time, same bat channel. I 676 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: will just say, Matt, time there we go. I don't 677 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: know it loses something with the bin at it in there. 678 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: We want to know what you think, so hit us 679 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: up while you still can't on Facebook and Twitter, visit 680 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: our website stuff they want you to know dot com 681 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: where you can see everything we've ever done, maybe a 682 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: few exceptions, and we want to know what what do 683 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: you think is the I'll be honest, I think the 684 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: idea of net neutrality overall is a good thing. And 685 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: I think that because a lot of the stuff that 686 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: opponents of this of this order are saying already happened. 687 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: There's no point in pretending that the US government does 688 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: not already have vast monitoring and capabilities. I don't know 689 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: about censorship. That's something I'd love to ask about. State 690 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: governments throughout the world have that already. And we have 691 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: to remember that the the Internet is global and it's 692 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: it really is this world thing, right, And we sometimes 693 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: because we're dealing with it here in our U S courts, 694 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 1: that we think that it's a US centric thing that 695 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: maybe we got the blinders on, but maybe it's a 696 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: much bigger issue. So we want to know where you 697 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: think the Internet is headed in the future, not just 698 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: in the United States, but in the world and beyond. 699 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: I guess it's fair to say, you know, people in 700 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: space use the Internet, so technically it's beyond. Some folks 701 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: will be heading to Mars pretty soon. They're gonna need something, 702 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: I hope, So I hope those people actually do head 703 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: to Mars. And that is a podcast by friend for 704 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: another day. In the meantime, if you don't want to 705 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: do the social media bigger Mo role, you can send 706 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: us an email directly. We are conspiracy at how stuff 707 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: works dot com. From more on this topic and other 708 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: unexplained phenomenon, visit YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You 709 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: can also get in touch on Twitter at the handle 710 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 1: at conspiracy stuff.