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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kaylie Short and this is too much

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Speaker 1: to say. A question it out you. I got a

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Speaker 1: really interesting response to last week's episode about being opposer

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Speaker 1: So I really appreciated you guys, you know, listening and

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Speaker 1: supporting and you know, being willing to hear from the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I haven't really commented on things that

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Speaker 1: with the music industry, and don't trust people on TikTok

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Speaker 1: who don't know what they're talking about. And there's plenty

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Speaker 1: information and just spread it like wildfire. It's It's hilarious

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Speaker 1: to watch, but sometimes very damaging. On this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the Chicks formally the Dixie

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Speaker 1: Chicks now the Chicks and their influence on me as

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Speaker 1: and the Fly CD that my sister gave me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as an adult now I know that that's not what

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Speaker 1: But when I was listening to Fly as a kid,

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