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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball. Obviously, since the last recording of this year podcast,

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Speaker 1: a lot has happened. What hasn't happened is we haven't

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Speaker 1: won a game. And to those of you who are

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Speaker 1: coaches who are listening, you're like, man, that's got to

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Speaker 1: be really har right, And the answer is yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's hard. And the you know, the thing that I

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Speaker 1: take pride in is there's there's no quitting anybody in

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Speaker 1: their staff. There's no quit in our players. We have.

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Speaker 1: We have a new big guy, Yonatan Levy, who I

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Speaker 1: think we'll get him to join us in a podcast,

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Speaker 1: probably this upcoming week, who came over from Israel. He's

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Speaker 1: still kind of rounding into shape, although round is the

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Speaker 1: shape he fouled out in nine and a half minutes

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Speaker 1: against Northern Kentucky. I am, I am. I'm doing my

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Speaker 1: a whistle during the game, but I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: that's not why we lost. But it was disconcerting that, man,

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Speaker 1: we really didn't feel like that was a game in

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Speaker 1: which we had we were at a competitive disadvantage on

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Speaker 1: some level in that aspect of it. But here's the

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Speaker 1: part that you got to take ownership of and I

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Speaker 1: actually like is that we're getting better. We're getting better.

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Speaker 1: And I know this is not horseshoes and hand grenades.

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Speaker 1: I know that people look at final scores, and there

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Speaker 1: were some final scores early in the season which looked

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Speaker 1: closer than they actually were. This last one looked worse

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Speaker 1: than it actually was. We were up ten and it

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Speaker 1: was this six or eight point game and you know,

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Speaker 1: kid actually from Wisconsin D two transfers are really good player,

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Speaker 1: hit three threes late. Kind of that was that. But

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Speaker 1: we're starting to figure out how to play better defensively.

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Speaker 1: We're playing a little bit different often, and I'm improving

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Speaker 1: as a coach in leaps and mountains, my use of timeouts,

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Speaker 1: my substitutions, all those other things. And look, I know

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Speaker 1: that that. You know, somebody with it has to be

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Speaker 1: like a black heart, or maybe they thought it was

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Speaker 1: just funny to do. They clipped the nobody you thing

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Speaker 1: and made it out like I was saying that about

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Speaker 1: one of our opponents, which was the opposite of what

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Speaker 1: I said. I knew our schedule was too difficult, right,

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Speaker 1: like we needed in my first year to have at

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Speaker 1: least two games where we're playing traffic cones, you know,

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Speaker 1: just anything. And look at the schedules of other teams

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Speaker 1: in our league and everybody plays them, and we did not.

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Speaker 1: It was a mistake, and you know our scheduling. But

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Speaker 1: the point is that between scheduling, who we take player wise,

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Speaker 1: assignments of roles on coaching staffs, my approach in the summer,

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Speaker 1: my approach in the fall, my approach during the games,

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Speaker 1: manipulation of the clock, manipulation of timeouts, substitution pattern, all

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Speaker 1: these things. I really am learning a ton and I

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Speaker 1: felt super comfortable early on. I've never felt uncomfortable, but

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Speaker 1: I also knew that I had a lot to learn.

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Speaker 1: And you know, maybe the thing I've learned the most

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Speaker 1: is not just my staff's good. You can lean on

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Speaker 1: them and they're helpful, but you do need an old head.

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Speaker 1: You need somebody who's seen every war and seen everything.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've brought in several people to help

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Speaker 1: out during the year, but not fully on staff, and

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Speaker 1: that part is hard and is a miss and something

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Speaker 1: that I'll have to try to adjust to going forward.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: It's good to be back on All Ball, and I

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Speaker 1: think you will love our guest because he went through

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Speaker 1: his own early struggles as a head coach. His name

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Speaker 1: is Jared Calhoun. He's the head coach at Utah State,

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Speaker 1: the fifteen one of the year, having an unbelievable season,

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Speaker 1: including beating Sandy Use State at San New State, which

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Speaker 1: never happens. Let's get to his journey and how he

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Speaker 1: went from being a player at Cleveland State to now

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Speaker 1: being the hottest head coach at Utah State. Here's my

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Speaker 1: conversation with Jared Calhoun before we get to your current

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Speaker 1: job or even the Youngstown job. How'd you get to

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Speaker 1: Cleveland State to play?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Doug, good question. I was a decent

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Speaker 3: high school player in the Cleveland area Villa Angelas Saint Jose,

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Speaker 3: to get into coaching, Doug. I was really at about

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Speaker 3: the age of thirteen, I kind of knew I wanted

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Speaker 3: that stuff is from coach mas Aminos. So that that's

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Speaker 3: how I ended up in the conference that you're coaching

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well it was so wait, thirteen, where were

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Speaker 1: you when you're thirteen? And why did you say? Because

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Speaker 1: I have my own story and we were telling it

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Speaker 1: today on radio, give me your thirteen year old story,

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Speaker 1: and why you decided, Hey, this is what I want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Doug, So, I grew up with a

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Speaker 3: guy named Maverick Carter. He and I became best friends.

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Speaker 3: He's now running Lebron's Empire. Actually talked to him last night, man,

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Speaker 3: just praying that the people in California are okay. He

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Speaker 3: you know, just every weekend we were at the parks,

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Speaker 3: And I just kind and knew that, you know, I

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Speaker 3: and I just wanted to learn. So that's really kind

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Speaker 3: of why I went there. What was your experience, Like,

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Speaker 3: I loved it, very very difficult. I'll say this, Doug.

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Speaker 3: You know I told you off air man, Uh, it

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Speaker 3: was rough as a player at Cleveland State. We didn't

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Speaker 3: You learn a lot when you're struggling, So you know,

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Speaker 3: But you come out, you know, much better from some

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Speaker 3: of how you build your culture.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I think, and you know, we'll get into

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Speaker 1: kind of some of these things I'm learning, but I

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the hardest thing is a player.

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Speaker 1: I only went through one tough season as a player

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Speaker 1: remember a game even at Notre Dame that I didn't

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Speaker 1: By my point was what was what do you remember

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Speaker 1: And that's the craziest thing. I mean, you think about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, cle Thick fires him.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you'd love to say it's his fault, but

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Speaker 1: just you know, we just had a bad year. And

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Speaker 1: like you can't coach it. Obviously was a lot of things,

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Speaker 3: Of it, right, Yeah, I think you know, the players

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Speaker 3: losing seasons of those thirteen, so been very fortunate, Doug.

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Speaker 3: that's why we develop a leadership team and certain things

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Speaker 3: As you know, it can really wear on you throughout

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you get done and you decide to go

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Speaker 1: and what be a grand assistant Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was kind of a student assistant. I was

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Speaker 3: coaching AAU basketball and coach Huggins was recruiting two of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you had a great you had a great episode.

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Speaker 1: talking uh three lottery picks on Kentucky just a dominant

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Speaker 1: team and they could do nothing with the one three nothing. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you, and I mean I know your

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Speaker 1: guys at Youngstown. I mean they'll, they'll, we're we're tinkering

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Speaker 1: with it. So my high school coach became a junior

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Speaker 1: college coach and won four state titles in cal Point.

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Speaker 1: And he says he was the only guy that bee

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Speaker 1: Line ever let stay with this team. That he was

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Speaker 1: there for like two weeks. So he became kind of

441
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Speaker 1: a savant with the one three one funneling guys, baking

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Speaker 1: and fanning, and so we've been it's we we broke

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Speaker 1: it out for two possessions Wright State and gave them

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Speaker 1: to Lambs.

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Speaker 3: But you guys play them Sunday, right, Doug? Do you

446
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Speaker 3: play Youngstown next Sunday?

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Speaker 1: We do? We do? We played, We played on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: We have you know, and as you know, the Horizon

449
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Speaker 1: League kind of weird schedule, no games this week, which

450
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Speaker 1: we needed. Then we played Milwaukee. Then we don't play

451
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Speaker 1: until Friday, Friday, Sunday, Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: So uh so, well, yeah, your league is full of zone.

453
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Speaker 3: It's a people don't realize. The Horizon League is a clunky,

454
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Speaker 3: kind of a weird league to coach, and it makes

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Speaker 3: you really think you got the Northern Kentucky zone, you

456
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Speaker 3: got the Oakland zone, you got Cleveland State playing a

457
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Speaker 3: million defenses. You know, it's a weird league, Doug, I

458
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Speaker 3: think it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a weird league. But I'm really impressed

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Speaker 1: by the level of toughness and competitiveness for these teams.

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Speaker 1: Like they're just one team is is is tougher than

462
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Speaker 1: the next, you know it. So as we kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, learn from what we need to get. Obviously

464
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Speaker 1: we need to get older, but now older doesn't do it.

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Speaker 1: You need just really tough minded, super competitive kids, because

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Speaker 1: we just we just get beat up on the boards.

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Speaker 1: And just like again, I look, I look at Milwaukee

468
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Speaker 1: we're playing Saturday. I like their team because they're just tough,

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Speaker 1: you know, even when things aren't.

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Speaker 3: But I've coached against bart and they're gonna play fast

471
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Speaker 3: and in free and you know, so you got to

472
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Speaker 3: probably slow them down, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: So so you get all the way to being the

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Speaker 1: runner up right in the at Fairmount, Yeah, what's that like?

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Speaker 1: Where you've built this thing into do you know, four years,

476
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Speaker 1: three straight tournaments going all the way to the championship

477
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Speaker 1: game and then you got an opportunity to go to

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Speaker 1: Division One. But as you point out at Youngstown, at

479
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Speaker 1: the time hadn't won. What's that like to the competitor

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Speaker 1: and you wants to finish it and wants to win

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Speaker 1: the national title as you did at the NAIA level,

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Speaker 1: and yet you always wanted to be a Division one

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Speaker 1: head coach. What was that like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Great question, man. Frustrating right, Uh, you know I

485
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Speaker 3: lost to Ben McCollum, very very good coach at Drake,

486
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Speaker 3: good buddy of mine. Do you play those guys, Drake?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we actually we ran a We didn't guard

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Speaker 1: two of them and we kept it. We were down

489
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Speaker 1: four with four to go. Man, they are so connected defensively.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all those kids have played for him.

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Speaker 3: That's obviously a competitive advantage. But you know we we

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Speaker 3: lost to them by eight or nine points in national championship. Frustrated.

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Speaker 3: I think we had one of our worst offensive games.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if he just tells me this,

495
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Speaker 3: but he said if we played ten out of ten,

496
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Speaker 3: he thought we'd beat him nine out of ten, he said,

497
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Speaker 3: by far the hardest national title that he won, but

498
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Speaker 3: he won four of them. But I get the nicest texts, Doug.

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Speaker 3: So I go back to my hotel room and I

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Speaker 3: get a text from Jim Tressel, who is the president

501
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Speaker 3: at Youngstown State, wanting to talk and talking about him

502
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Speaker 3: losing I believe two or three national championships at Youngstown

503
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Speaker 3: and would you have interest in the job. So fast

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Speaker 3: forward twenty four hours after the game, I'm on the

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Speaker 3: phone with Joe Missoula at my house basically asking him

506
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Speaker 3: if he's going to take you leave the G League

507
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Speaker 3: and take the job. Because we were so tight knit,

508
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Speaker 3: our coaches and our players that we really wanted Joe

509
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Speaker 3: to get the job. So I felt relieved and I

510
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Speaker 3: felt like it was the right thing to do, take

511
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Speaker 3: a new challenge with Joe getting the opportunity to run

512
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Speaker 3: Fairmount State. So it worked out really well.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

514
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Speaker 2: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox

515
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: So you get to you, you get the Youngstown What

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Speaker 1: was it like?

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Speaker 3: Oh, first two years, Doug. That's why I'm rooting for you.

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00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: I love guys that have to have to figure things out.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're you're at a historical place that I

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Speaker 3: think could be good. Right, you got to get your inprint.

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Speaker 3: You gotta you know, and that's what we did. You know,

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Speaker 3: the first year we won eight games. We were not

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Speaker 3: very good. We were two and eleven in the non league.

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Speaker 3: What's crazy is we start on the Horizon League three

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Speaker 3: and zero and we think here we come right. And

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Speaker 3: I think we ended up winning five or six games

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Speaker 3: that year, and I learned more about running a program

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Speaker 3: during those trying times. The biggest mistake I didn't do

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Speaker 3: was work out. I got I became very, very depressed,

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Speaker 3: almost bottomed out. But I found new life at the

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Speaker 3: end of the year, and we came back and we

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Speaker 3: improved on eight wins. I believe we won thirteen or

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Speaker 3: fourteen the next and then we went for five straight

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Speaker 3: winning seasons. But you know, those kids went through a

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Speaker 3: lot with me, and I'll cherish that, and they've made

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Speaker 3: me the person and the coach. And it was tough, man,

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Speaker 3: it was really really tough losing like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you had won previously, so you knew what

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Speaker 1: you were doing would work. But I do think that

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Speaker 1: anybody who's reasonable you get that crisis and confidence. Is

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Speaker 1: this going to work here? Or is it gonna How'd

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Speaker 1: you overcome that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just looking for you know, small wins.

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Speaker 3: You know, in fact, we played out here at Utah

546
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Speaker 3: State and we got excited about about our team diving

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Speaker 3: on the floor because we hadn't We hadn't dove on

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Speaker 3: the floor for the last three games. So we finished

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Speaker 3: two and eleven first year, and at halftime I was

550
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Speaker 3: going nuts because they were diving on the floor. You know,

551
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Speaker 3: things like that. Trying to keep a positive outlook, not

552
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Speaker 3: lose the team, and just really try to state mentally

553
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Speaker 3: locked in and not burn out, because I think you

554
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Speaker 3: see a lot of coaches, especially in our world today,

555
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Speaker 3: that can fizzle out. So I just tried to from

556
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Speaker 3: year one to year two, get the kids that really

557
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Speaker 3: wanted to be there, kind of fit who we are,

558
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Speaker 3: and developed a leadership team and just not look back.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Horizon League championship team of two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I saw that team because close with my boy

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Speaker 1: and they played you guys in the n it at

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Speaker 1: your place. What's that like? Because we always you know,

563
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Speaker 1: when I'm working on TV, we always champion the team

564
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Speaker 1: that wins it, right, but we never talk about the

565
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Speaker 1: other side. You take the worst team in the league,

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Speaker 1: you turn them over six years into a league champion

567
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Speaker 1: and your reward is you have to go beat everybody

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Speaker 1: again and win the Horizon League tournament and you don't

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Speaker 1: what's that feeling like from a guy who had you know,

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Speaker 1: you've been in the National Championship game, you'd won a

571
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Speaker 1: national championship at the NA level, but to win the

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Speaker 1: league and to build, because that's really what you're trying

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Speaker 1: to build, Like then tournament's great, but you want to

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Speaker 1: win your league? What what is what are those emotions like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's a great, great point. You know,

576
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Speaker 3: it was frustrating. I felt like, you know, at our level,

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Speaker 3: at your level, there needs to be a little more

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Speaker 3: of a home court advantage. I always thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: back in the day, you know, the Horizon League champion,

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Speaker 3: when Brad Stevens and Gary Waters were in the league,

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Speaker 3: if you won the regular season, it was at the

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Speaker 3: host site. Right. I feel like at the Horizon League level,

583
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Speaker 3: you've got to protect a one seat a little better.

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Speaker 3: Right at the end of the day, where college sports

585
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Speaker 3: are headed, the power for us are going to own

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Speaker 3: uh the the NCAA tournament. It's just the reality. So

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Speaker 3: if you get a team that's older connected can go

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Speaker 3: win a game in the tournament. You got to protect

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Speaker 3: that seed. And you know, Indy's a great experience. Doug.

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Speaker 3: I think Julie your commissioner. Now I've been, you know,

591
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Speaker 3: part of the Big East, have been part of the

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Speaker 3: Mountain West. I think she's big time. I think she's

593
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Speaker 3: really really good. I think she could, you know, continue

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Speaker 3: to climb. I think the Horizon League does the best

595
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Speaker 3: they can, but I think it needs to go back

596
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Speaker 3: to the host site and protect that because there was

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Speaker 3: definitely very very deflated and now with the n i

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Speaker 3: T that being cut for load to mid majors as well.

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Speaker 3: I was very thankful that we got to host an

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Speaker 3: n i T first round game against Oklahoma State and

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Speaker 3: we just happened to be able to do it because

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Speaker 3: you know, Oklahoma State had something in their arena. But

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Speaker 3: it was deflating, you know it was. It still sits

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Speaker 3: in my stomach to this day that I didn't win

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Speaker 3: a Division two national championship. We're eight points away and

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Speaker 3: I wasn't able to get Youngstown to the NCAA Tournament.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like I left it in a good place.

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Speaker 3: I have great friends. My one of my good friends

609
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Speaker 3: was able to get the job again, you know, and

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Speaker 3: he you know, he was able to get a couple

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Speaker 3: of guys that are in my wedding on his staff

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Speaker 3: hired there. So it's just a neat thing when you

613
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Speaker 3: can leave a place and you kind of see like

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Speaker 3: other guys get their opportunity and.

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Speaker 1: You know it.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, I think that that was very frustrating.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you you get the job at you toasting. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a place that I know really well. I've

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Speaker 1: done a ton of their games. They've had an Actually,

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Speaker 1: my the high school coach I told you about to

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Speaker 1: be given a junior college coach. He sent several players

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Speaker 1: there back when coach Morril was there. They have had

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Speaker 1: quality coach after quality coach after quality coach. There's a

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Speaker 1: really high bar set there, but especially with this day

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Speaker 1: and age sprinkles there a year and he's gone and

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Speaker 1: he takes he takes the best players. What's it like

627
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Speaker 1: to take over Utah State? Now you finally get to

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Speaker 1: essentially a high major with their success and you've been

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Speaker 1: winning a different part of the country and the coupver

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Speaker 1: wasn't bear but it definitely has been rated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the first thing we had to do,

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Speaker 3: Doug was was really do our research on the current roster.

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Speaker 3: I think so many guys come in and really spend

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Speaker 3: you know, I've done this three times and I've made

635
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Speaker 3: mistakes every stop. So I said, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: make the same mistake. The biggest mistake I made at

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Speaker 3: Youngstown I spent too much time with the donors raising

638
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Speaker 3: money because we had no locker room, we had no this,

639
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Speaker 3: we had no that, no budgets. I wanted to spend

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Speaker 3: the first two weeks really getting to know every player

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Speaker 3: so great O Sabor, Joshua Duje, good big time players

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Speaker 3: that transferred out of here. I had countless meals with

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Speaker 3: I worked them out. I gave everything I had to

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Speaker 3: everybody in the program for the first two weeks and

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Speaker 3: tried to figure out who wanted to stay, who wanted

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Speaker 3: to be a part of this. And we did a

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Speaker 3: really good job of building those relationships, trying to sell

648
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Speaker 3: our vision of how we want to play offensively and defensively.

649
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 3: Did the research with Coach Morrell. He was my first call.

650
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: Talked to Coach Sprinkle, talked to Craig Smith, talked to

651
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 3: Ryan Odom and it was really neat Doug. I thought

652
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: one thing here that they nailed. They had four players

653
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: on the interview process. So when I walked into a room,

654
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: I had one hour with these kids, and I had

655
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: watched thirty one games on Utah State. It was a

656
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: job that I always wanted. I feel like you can

657
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 3: win a national championship here because the home court advantage,

658
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: the location. We have great high school basketball in Utah.

659
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: We're starting to get a lot of prep schools. There's

660
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: some really good juke goes in the area. And we

661
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: just hit the ground run and the kids were brought

662
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: in in the portal, you know from you know, the

663
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: returning guys and the new guys. It's been an incredible,

664
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 3: incredible story. You know, we lost great Osibor to the

665
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: portal and Nil and obviously his relationship with Coach Sprinkle.

666
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: We lost Joshaduje. We did lose some guys. We didn't

667
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: keep them all, but the ones we kept, I'd tell

668
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: you they really want to be here.

669
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: I noticed behind you are all the Mountain West trophies,

670
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: right the recent mouse most trophies. And what's interesting about

671
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: that to me is it's like, I there's some Coach

672
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: Bennett stuff and I was like, I didn't earn that.

673
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: Let's not put that in my office. I didn't earn that.

674
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: How do you handle that? How do you handle you know,

675
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Ryan had great success, Sprinkle had great success, Craig had

676
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: great success. Coach more obviously incredible historic success. How do

677
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: you handle just the awards and what you decided to

678
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: keep and what you said to us in your new office.

679
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really funny. So I told our staff the

680
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: other day, Doug, I said, why are these trophies not

681
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: in the trophy case inside the spectrum? Well, the trophy

682
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: case is so old. We don't think it'll be able

683
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: to hold the trophies because these newer trophies wait so much.

684
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 3: And they said, Coach, every time we bring in a recruit,

685
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: we need to sell our history. One thing you feel

686
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: about this job, Doug every day, and Danny you know,

687
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: told me this and we talk quite a bit, is

688
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 3: it's a pressure cooker. Right, So you know, I think

689
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: they just think we're going to win in the spectrum

690
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: and we're just going to go to the NCAA tournament.

691
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: And you know we've been able to do it. We've

692
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: had a niche here, right, We've had great international players.

693
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: We've had great high school players. Our fan base is elite.

694
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: Now we're in a whole new ballgame. Right, I'm the

695
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: first coach to actually coach in the NIL world. You know,

696
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: we're we're middle tier in the NIL. Right, We're probably

697
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: six or seventh in total dollars for our roster. Right,

698
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: We've got to continue to move the needle on that.

699
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: In two years, we're going to opt into revenue sharing.

700
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 3: We're going to be in the same league as Gonzaga, Right,

701
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: So we got to keep changing and keep growing with

702
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: this job. And I think you know, it's a storied program.

703
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: It really is, and it's it's an honor to be here, man,

704
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: Like I wake up every day really really, you know,

705
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: just proud to come in. And when you have good

706
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: players Doug and good kids that buy into your offensive

707
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: system and defense. It's been unbelievable really, because I've had

708
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 3: two jobs.

709
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: How do you identify in the portal who can play

710
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: for you?

711
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we have a kind of a metrics you know,

712
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: the point guard position. We really really value winning at

713
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: that point guard position. We really value speed. Right, So

714
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: we took Date and Allberry from Queen's. He didn't win

715
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: a ton of games, but he's really really fast. We

716
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: really study efficiencies. We talk with the kids about efficiency, right.

717
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: So one thing that I learned from Joe, it's not

718
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's not the minutes, it's not the points.

719
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: We don't ever talk about that during the recruiting. We

720
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: talk about how much better can we make you and

721
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: your decision making in offense? Right, So we assist on

722
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: sixty five percent of our makes. So we do a

723
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: ton of red drills that I got from Joe, whether

724
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: that's a pick and roll, read an off ball screen,

725
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: read a drive, read a post read. We want our

726
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: guys to make high level decisions on the basketball court.

727
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: We want to play at a certain tempo. You know,

728
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: we have certain criteria for every position. This is the

729
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: first year that I've had a non shooting starting five,

730
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: So our backup is a shooting five. I got to

731
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: have one big guy that can stretch the d. We

732
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: want a lob threat. We want rim protection from the five,

733
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: and then we want three point guards on the roster.

734
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: I think so many teams are handcuffed because they only

735
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 3: recruit two. You got to have three, and then versatile

736
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: wings that can not only play out of pick and rolls,

737
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: but you know, read defenses, drive the ball, make threes

738
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 3: and interchangeable, right, the two, three and four is very

739
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: interchangeable for us.

740
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: What is the one thing you do better now than

741
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: you did five years ago at Youngstown as a coach?

742
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, great question, more patient, better plan? You know, I

743
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: would say, communicate better with our guys. Don't overreact. You know,

744
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: I think you know you're there's a time you have

745
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: to show emotion. There's a time you have to get

746
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: on guys. I coached very angry two games ago, and

747
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: I didn't like it. After the game, I couldn't sleep,

748
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: but the kids, I couldn't get him to move. We

749
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: were playing Fresno State coach Wahlberg had his team more

750
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: ready than mine. So I became very angry, very angry

751
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: during the game at halftime. That's not me, That's not

752
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: who I am. So I got to be kind of

753
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: consistent how we're going to run the daily operation. I

754
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: rely on my assistance a lot more. Doug, I would say,

755
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're going to learn that.

756
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: You know.

757
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 3: Empowering others is I think one of the greatest gifts

758
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: we can do as head coaches have them take ownership

759
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: of things, whether it's you know, skill work development, you know,

760
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: empowering your ops guy, making sure our players think our managers,

761
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: you know, our student managers. Two of my best friends

762
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: were managers. I started off as a manager at Cleveland

763
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: State and worked my way as a walk on. So

764
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: you know, you have to acknowledge everybody in the program

765
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: a lot and give thanks to those people. And I

766
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: think that rubs off on your team, and then everybody,

767
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, really enjoys being around each other.

768
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned that the Horizon is a lot of zone,

769
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of a Mucket up league. He in out West.

770
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: You got a little bit of everything there. I was you, Sandy,

771
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: the State has built theirs with defense and rebounding, scoring

772
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: in it. Just in that points to win. Coach Wahlberg,

773
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned at Fresno, right, he's the dribble, he's the

774
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, dribble, drive motion, shoot a ton of threes,

775
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of a quirky style. What have you

776
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: noticed that's different about Mountain West basketball from Horizon League

777
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: basketball or Big East basketball?

778
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did a study, you know, in the offseason

779
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: on every team, uh kind of you know, how they

780
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: guarded pick and rolls, how they guarded off ball screening,

781
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of different things. The thing that

782
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: I've noticed in the Mount West offensively with teams very deliberate,

783
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: a lot of pick and roll, slower paced league outside

784
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 3: of New Mexico, UH coaches want to you know, kind

785
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: of call a lot of sets. They want to get

786
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: the ball to their best players. Defensively at just a

787
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: huge emphasis on gap defense over helping. You have to

788
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: make below the free throw line reads. You have to

789
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: have the bill to make decisions at the rim, late kickouts,

790
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: a physical presence, Doug. The biggest difference between your league,

791
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: which I think is really really good. Lot of good

792
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: like upcoming coaches, those middle age type of coaches that

793
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: have their niche, and then you throw a great campy

794
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: in there that is going to throw a million sets

795
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: at you and play this the weirdest son I've ever seen.

796
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: I still can't figure it out. And he spoke at

797
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: my clinic when we were in the league together and

798
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: he's one of my best friends of this day. Just

799
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 3: a lot of things, you know, like so you gotta

800
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: I think you got to do this as a head coach.

801
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: You've got to have a system. You can't be a

802
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 3: control freak. I think you've got to be great in ATOS.

803
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 3: We have really done a good job in ATOS. If

804
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: you look at our efficiency, our baseline out of bounds,

805
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: I think we're in one of the best teams in

806
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 3: the country at executing and we do a tremendous job

807
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: in our off ball screening actions. I think everybody lives

808
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: in picking rolls. We've done more off ball screens this

809
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: year than I've ever done, and I got a lot

810
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: of that from Joe with the Tatum and Brown, those

811
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: wide pinned downs, those screen of ways. You know, there's

812
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: a lot of things you can do and be creative

813
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: with some of those off ball screens, but physical and

814
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: just a really good league.

815
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: Has it setting yet? You know that that how easy

816
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: this transition, at least perception wise, has been. Has it?

817
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: Has it? I mean you're thirteen and one.

818
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, when you're winning, it's it's really easy.

819
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: Right.

820
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: I think everybody thinks that Tim Miles can coach vance

821
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: can I mean every is.

822
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: A perfect example, right, Tim Elevant coach in the same

823
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: league obviously different resources now, right, but dominated the league

824
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: when he's at Calorio State, and now it's really hard

825
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: in San Jose. So but I mean my point is, like,

826
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's apprehension with anything, and obviously you know

827
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: all the benefits to Utah State, but my goodness, the

828
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: start has to has to feel really good as it

829
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: as it set in. When you look around, you're like,

830
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: this is this works here, it'll work anywhere.

831
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what it does, Doug. It just kind

832
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: of reaffirms to your players that hey, what we're doing,

833
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 3: you know, can can work in the game. And we've

834
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: been elite in the last three to four minutes of

835
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 3: every game we've won. You know, really what gave us confidence.

836
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: We went into Saint Mary's and won on the road,

837
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: right then the San Diego State, which hadn't been done

838
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: here in eighteen years, went on the road. Then we

839
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: go on the road, you know, to Nevada and placed

840
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: you know, Coach Alford, which has been awesome to me.

841
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: We have the same age and he's kind of you

842
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: know him and Coach Dutcher been really good to me.

843
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: Those guys are awesome guys. Have admired them from Afar.

844
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: You know, we're all fans of each other, and you know,

845
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: me being a you know, a younger coach, and I've

846
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: always watched the Mountain West. Those guys been great, So

847
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: it just kind of shows you, you know, we've we've

848
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: adjusted it to the game of basketball. Our players are

849
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: efficient players. And when you put we over me, and

850
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: everybody has all the different slogans and all the different signs,

851
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: and ours is real simple, we over me. The third

852
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: bulletin of every game is put the team over yourself, right,

853
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: and that can go a million ways. Right, make the

854
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: extra assists, make a screen assist, make a one more assist,

855
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: you know, defensively, communicate the coverage right, stop the ball

856
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: that's putting the team over yourself. And you know, these

857
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: kids have really embodied that and we were able to

858
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: do that at Fairmounty and Youngstown. And you know, if

859
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: we're lucky enough, fortunate enough to get in the NCAA tournament,

860
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: I think will be a really hard out because the

861
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: way we play, we're really good on both sides. Those

862
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 3: are the good mid major teams that make a run

863
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: at it. Doug, I think you've been doing it so long,

864
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: from your playing days to your you know, your coverage

865
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: of the tournament and your your show and now obviously coaching,

866
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: you've seen it. You got I have connectivity on both sides.

867
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: Because you could have a bad shooting night. We've been

868
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: able to overcome that. You could have a grand offensive

869
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: night and not guard, which we had the other night

870
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 3: at San Jose. You got to win in a variety

871
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 3: of ways, and I think those are the best teams.

872
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: What would it mean to you to make that NZA tournament.

873
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: It'd be incredible. You know. I've been wanting to get

874
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: back there for some time, you know, but not only

875
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: make it, Doug. You know, I think I truly believe this.

876
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: At Utah State you can win a national championship. You know.

877
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: I've talked to Dusty May, He's a good friend of mine.

878
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 3: Almost did it at Florida Atlantic coach Dutcher, at San

879
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: Diego State coach Larnaga, at George Mason Brad at obviously

880
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: Butler twice. There's been a whole slew of teams that

881
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 3: not only made it at our level, but also almost

882
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: won a national championship. And I think moving forward we

883
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: can do that.

884
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of people that you know, some

885
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: of the older guard getting out because for a myriad

886
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: of reasons, but one reason they don't like the road

887
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: we're on. You know, the portal is a lot. You

888
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: go to transfer out right away, makes it really hard.

889
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: You mentioned you're a locker room wh you're at Cleveland State.

890
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: You know guys that quit, guys that were staying. Now

891
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: you have Hey are guys wearing about next year where

892
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: they're going to play next year when you're in the

893
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: middle of your year. What about you? What are your

894
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on on where college basketball is, where we're headed,

895
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: and what you would like to see evolve out of

896
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: this path?

897
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Doug, So the show that I loved you did

898
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: the show in Lara Andega, I believe a couple of

899
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I listened to that when we were on

900
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: the road, and you know, I agree with a lot

901
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: of the things that you have said about it. It's

902
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: not going anywhere, it's not changing, but just a couple things. Right. So,

903
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: we're fifteen and one. We're top twenty five in the country.

904
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: I think we're the only mid major team in the

905
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: country right now to be ranked. San Diego State's been there,

906
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: Drake's been there, whoever, But right now, as of today,

907
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: then it'll change, right I ask my guys. Today there's

908
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: fourteen guys on my roster. Eight of them have been

909
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: contacted by NIL agents. Eight of the fourteen. Various schools

910
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: have tried to try to get involved, right one being

911
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: not too far from here. It's totally out of control.

912
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: It's off the rails. Anybody that thinks it's not they're crazy, right,

913
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: So it's not going anywhere. How can we change it?

914
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: You know? Hopefully the revenue sharing is going to be

915
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: really good. We're not going to that till twenty five,

916
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: twenty six. You know, I really really worry about the

917
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: Horizon League and schools like yourself, that coaches like yourself

918
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: that are doing it the right way, developing players, you know,

919
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: out raising money, you know, really taking care of your players,

920
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: and you guys just being a feeder system. You know,

921
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: I worry about that with us, with my current roster.

922
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: It's on my mind every day. Can we keep this

923
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: team together, you know, because I think if we can,

924
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: it can be special. But I think, you know, with

925
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: the ni L, we have to have multi year contracts.

926
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: If a kid leaves, it has to be a buyout,

927
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: and there needs to be a whole restructure of the

928
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: landscape there.

929
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think the multi year deal

930
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: is a big thing, I think. I honestly, the hard

931
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: part is and look, you know, do you contacted, kid?

932
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: Do you not contact I haven't contacted anybody. My guys

933
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: are told do not contact they kid, we have players

934
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: that have been contacted despite the fact that we're two

935
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: and fifteen or the opposite of the inverse of it.

936
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: But I think that's the hard part is everyone tells you, hey,

937
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: once they hit the portal, it's too late, right, But like, okay,

938
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: but I thought we're not supposed to talk to him

939
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: before they hit the portal. Like, I don't even know

940
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: how that works. And obviously you have the nil agents,

941
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: you have the parents, you have the au coaches, and

942
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: then you have the rumors of or this guy's leaving,

943
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: Like where did you hear that from? You know, I

944
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: think that the contacting of players on your roster. I

945
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: think that's the part that and the multi year deals. Uh,

946
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, they got got to have the multi year deals,

947
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: and then the contacting of players your roster just has

948
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: to has to be eliminated. I don't know how.

949
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, Doug, I'll lose my lose my mind,

950
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: and I'm sure you would too. I think that's just

951
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: totally unethical. You can't do it. Uh, they back channel,

952
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: they're going through the AAU coaches that sort of thing.

953
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: You know, we have two really good players that are

954
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: trying to be poached now, and I just take it

955
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 3: ahead on. I asked the guys, I explained to them

956
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: what the NIL agent can do for him. I do

957
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: think some guys it's good for But a lot of

958
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: guys can negotiate these deals themselves, right, So I see

959
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: both sides to it. But certainly, uh, the older coach

960
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: uh is is definitely there's a frustration level around the country.

961
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: You're seeing Hall of famers get out. But like guys

962
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: like yourself and I, we got to figure this out, right.

963
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: We gotta be a voice. Certainly with your platform you

964
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: can have a bigger voice. But I do think there'll

965
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: there'll be some changes here in the next couple of years.

966
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: With it.

967
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: Last thing moving from your West Virginia and Ohio for

968
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: such a period of time. What's in Utah been like

969
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: for you?

970
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: You know, Doug, It's beautiful. I wake up every day

971
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 3: we face mountains, the Wellsville Mountains. It's the most peaceful,

972
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: one of the safest safest environments. College Town. Just it

973
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: looks like a postcard, right, It literally looks like a

974
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 3: post guard of the mountains. Every day it's been different.

975
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 3: I have grown a lot bit, you know, I always

976
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: dreamed of coaching on the West coast, you know, in

977
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: the Mountain West. Never in a million years what I

978
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: think I'm in Logan, Utah coaching the Utah State Aggie.

979
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: So sometimes times, you know, it is so real and

980
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: I think it's.

981
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: So much better where you are. And look, I'm a

982
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: Southern California got but the care factor is so minimal

983
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: in comparison to where you are. Your league cares right

984
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: New Mexico they care, you know, sunny at Wyoming as

985
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: they start winning, they care. You know, when I did

986
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: the Mountain West Tournament, there was a year there where

987
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: when coach Hi had a going at Wyoming where between Wyoming,

988
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: New Mexico Utah State, you know Utah back then was

989
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: in it in San Diego State. And then you know,

990
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: if you U and OLV is good, that place is

991
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: just alive. I actually, I think the Mountain West is

992
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: the best because people legitimately care and show up. Obviously

993
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Utah State being you know at the top end of it,

994
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: along with New Mexico, but you kind of end up

995
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: nailing it, whereas the West coast, you get too far west.

996
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: There's too many things to do and basketball is just

997
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: kind of far down the list. And that's really why

998
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: I left as a player. Was my sister was a

999
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: UCLA cheater leader. My brother went there. We were season tickelovers.

1000
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: But I can't tell you how many games I went to,

1001
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: like nobody cared. Yeah, you know, and USC famously nobody cared.

1002
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: And everywhere I went on a visit, they cared. So

1003
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: I think there is a but Utah is a special

1004
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: place and they love basketball.

1005
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: They absolutely love ball here. You know, it's.

1006
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: Neat never a Mormon church that doesn't have a hoop.

1007
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: Everyone, every single every single street we got a hoop.

1008
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: You're right, hey, listen, I I really appreciate. I know

1009
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: how how valuable time is in the season. Uh, it's

1010
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: great to catch up with you. Let's do so in

1011
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: person at some point in time. But you guys are

1012
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: killing it, and thanks for joining me.

1013
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 3: Coach, I'm rooting for you. Just don't don't beat my penguins.

1014
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: On Sunday, I'm going to tune into that get my number.

1015
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man, it's a big honor for me.

1016
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: Well, what a great conversation with coach Calhoun. And obviously

1017
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: you can hear like he has thought of everything in

1018
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: terms of who, what and where and why they're recruiting,

1019
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean like, look, there's a guy

1020
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: who's put together a plan and executed that plan at

1021
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: now three different locations. And as a as a young coach,

1022
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: I learned a lot in that conversation. I think you

1023
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: probably learned a lot and listening to it as well.

1024
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening and reminded. The Doug Gottlieb

1025
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: Show airs daily three to five Eastern twelve to two

1026
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app. You can also

1027
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: download that podcast. We have a daily pod and the

1028
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: radio show is pod pod version as well. Just type

1029
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: in Doug we ever get pods in the meantime. Thanks

1030
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: for listening. We'll be back soon. This is all ball