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Speaker 2: You know what, Like, as much as I wanted my

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Speaker 1: Exercise is such an important part of our lives, whether

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Speaker 1: and this is Skin Querries, a show all about our

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Speaker 1: So let's go on this journey together to really understand

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Speaker 3: I love to sweat.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before on the show, but I would

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Speaker 4: If I'm not playing sports regularly, then I'll like go

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting to hear how some might think of

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Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, welcome back to skin quarries.

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Speaker 1: So earlier we heard from Brianne. She wanted a fresh

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Speaker 8: So in our skin we have oil glands which produced

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Speaker 8: reduce the smell and an odor that comes with sweat. Really,

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Speaker 8: the main function is bodied temperature control, which is one

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Speaker 8: But people do love to love a good sweat, don't

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Speaker 1: I totally agree there is so much more to a

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Speaker 1: so interesting. One of our skin's major functions is cooling

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Speaker 9: All those practices, whether it's like using a saana yoga

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Speaker 1: Now that I have such a vigorous sweat regimen. My

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Speaker 1: As doctor Mamina says, there are ways to mitigate issues

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Speaker 2: What that experience taught me is that actually, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Because Brianne was willing to be her own advocate, she

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Speaker 2: So I thought, you know, I think people do to

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Speaker 2: I was super happy that I could still do yoga

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Speaker 1: I find that so inspiring brand because you're really seeking

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