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Speaker 1: is our life, this is our passion. That's the spirit

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Speaker 1: we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: and this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Start the show by having a really candid moment. Brian

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can prove that audibly and

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Speaker 1: aggressively like one of these Like I guess, Luke, you

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Speaker 1: got to get out the the the exhaust, you know,

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Speaker 1: to move forward in life, you got to get the

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Speaker 1: git the ship out and and uh you know I did.

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Speaker 2: I just did it in the commode.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, Welcome to Morning Combat. This is a fun show.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about very serious topics. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: That is Brian Campbell. We are not in Connecticut. We

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Speaker 2: are not in Washington, d C. We are in the

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Speaker 2: swamps of Jersey City here in studio for today. We

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Speaker 2: have a lot of stuff to get today, not just

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Speaker 2: So I'm pretty excited. You see, I'm really excited. You know,

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Speaker 2: did you drive yourself into I did.

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Speaker 1: The heavy heavy traffic, heavy trap? Why did you drive

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Speaker 1: yourself because I got to leave from here and go

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Speaker 1: to the oh the rightest card of the air shout

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Speaker 1: out to Methlehem as you call it, right, BA, can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I'll looking forward to that. But look, we are better

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Speaker 1: together in person. There's nothing like the MK Live studio

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Speaker 1: experience because like the Pride Days, anything can happen.

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Speaker 2: Anything can happen ten minute first rounds. You just never know.

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Speaker 2: People doing drugs. Who cares.

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Speaker 3: We have a lot of skit. That bottle of whiskey

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Speaker 2: The green room, I did see it. I did see it.

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Speaker 1: The thickest shit, right, the thickest.

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Speaker 2: So today we'll get to Francis Nganu, I know, spoke

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Speaker 2: out yesterday in an interview with Erl Hajwane about all

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Speaker 2: get you ready for UFC two eighty three, which of

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Speaker 2: course the pay per view is this Saturday. And we

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Speaker 2: So I am told I don't think this is actually true.

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Speaker 2: He is Connecticut Royalty, and in fact, he's from Waterbury, Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: And I asked him water water Ford was Waterbury, Connecticut?

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Speaker 2: We do have guests to announce, I guess soon, but.

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Speaker 2: Like I've spent. The longest I spent in England was

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Speaker 3: Like an ignorant two day tour, like on your way

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Speaker 2: I don't know how is folks. Here's the show. You

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Speaker 1: By the way, very underreported story that contraband was delivered

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Speaker 2: I bet they were. And then let's see, you can

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Speaker 2: showtimes label that pays you go to Showtime dot com

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Speaker 2: again thirty days free. Feel like you can keep it

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Speaker 2: and listen to this? How about this three nine and

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Speaker 1: Show Box Friday. Let's do this thing. Okay, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: Lannyeger was the dude who owned his family owned that.

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Speaker 2: Michael k Michael Kiss knew him. Yeah, what am I forgetting?

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Speaker 2: I got my morning combat jacket. What do you have?

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Speaker 2: You have the hoodie?

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Speaker 1: I got the hat, the hoodie, the coffee mug. Not

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Speaker 1: know that's happened before.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's whatever color it was, it's brown.

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Speaker 1: I've started off with two white men in my ass,

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of faces.

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Speaker 2: I mean I know that.

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Speaker 2: You ready to get this show started? Did I miss

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Speaker 2: anything else?

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to say? My dunker rees turned into

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Speaker 1: the movie soul Man starring see Thomas howls that you're saying. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what I'm saying. Okay, b see, let's get this.

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Speaker 1: Oh I wanted more, you know, more shits and giggles beforehand,

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Speaker 2: Well, you have a lot of show to get to today,

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Speaker 1: And because that's so strong, and because he believes in himself,

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Speaker 3: This guy was willing to risk at all.

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Speaker 3: Here, here's some extra money.

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Speaker 1: Any tactic possible, leaking false information, you know, any tactic possible.

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Speaker 3: The end, one of two things can happen.

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Speaker 1: They can throw enough money because everybody's got a price

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Speaker 1: How else could you criticize him here unless you are

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Speaker 1: I'm humbled by this. I'm really seriously humbled by this.

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't fight again, but if you just walked away,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he already did win. Because

439
00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, principal matters, Luke, and

440
00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:24,760
Speaker 1: you're you're a man of principles.

441
00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,520
Speaker 3: The things that you believe in, you don't budge on.

442
00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,840
Speaker 1: But you know, we all hope when it's our time,

443
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,560
Speaker 1: when that's when that's at risk, and we have to

444
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,439
Speaker 1: stand and take a stand for what we believe in,

445
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,040
Speaker 1: that that we're willing, that that that we have the

446
00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,280
Speaker 1: balls to stand up and risk it. This guy did

447
00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,040
Speaker 1: have the balls, and I think only good things are

448
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,679
Speaker 1: going to come for him as a as a as

449
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,200
Speaker 1: a reaction to that. And I think, slowly but surely, Uh,

450
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,000
Speaker 1: this is the opening of that door, Luke, for for change.

451
00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean, is it only about money at the end

452
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Speaker 1: of the day, and these guys are just cattle and

453
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,800
Speaker 1: we're just you know, we'll just replace you with another one,

454
00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,399
Speaker 1: or or we're some some serious things exposed here in

455
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,719
Speaker 1: this process about how this business really works.

456
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Speaker 2: I think, uh, there's a lot to get to with

457
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Speaker 2: your with your assessment there, I think I agree with

458
00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,680
Speaker 2: much of it. I don't. I do have some mixed

459
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,560
Speaker 2: feelings along the way, not about the big stuff. Like you,

460
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,159
Speaker 2: if you watch the interview, what do you notice. I

461
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,800
Speaker 2: think you brought it up like Francis is at ease

462
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,840
Speaker 2: with this decision, and that tells you, like I will

463
00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,119
Speaker 2: say this in MMA, I've really noticed this in MMA

464
00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,399
Speaker 2: because the game is so brutal, we kind of always

465
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,000
Speaker 2: distill it down to its essentials. It's about money, get

466
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000
Speaker 2: what you can, then get out, and there's really no

467
00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,800
Speaker 2: judgment about that. That's what have considered. I'm really business operations,

468
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:42,040
Speaker 2: business standards, but sometimes best practices. But it is unusual

469
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Speaker 2: in your life to actually to actually see someone who

470
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Speaker 2: lives by principle. You don't actually find many people who

471
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Speaker 2: do that, rich or poor, because it typically comes with costs,

472
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,520
Speaker 2: and those costs people don't want to pay. I don't

473
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Speaker 2: mean just financial costs, although those could be those as well,

474
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Speaker 2: but ostracism costs in public embarrassment, how if you're a

475
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Speaker 2: public figure, how you're remembered, you risk all of those things.

476
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,679
Speaker 2: And so the reason why I know that bothers them

477
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 2: is because if your principles and your values actually matter

478
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 2: to you and you actually live by them. What virtue

479
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 2: is its own reward? Like, what is the reward for

480
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 2: being virtuous? That you are virtuous? It's not because it

481
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Speaker 2: transactionally necessarily leads to other things. And I do want

482
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Speaker 2: to say to this be seeing and you're like, it

483
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Speaker 2: could be the sort of great things could be. Hope,

484
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Speaker 2: it is ain't necessarily a guarantee. This could be the

485
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Speaker 2: start of if he falls flat on his face, a

486
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Speaker 2: retraction where people are like, he's the cautionary tale. But

487
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 2: he took that risk, knowing that he took that risk,

488
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Speaker 2: knowing it could go my way where I get the

489
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Speaker 2: let's say Tyson Fury fight, maybe even goes back to

490
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Speaker 2: the UFC at some point. Who knows. There's a lot

491
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Speaker 2: of ways it goes where it goes well, but there's

492
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Speaker 2: a lot of scenarios where it goes poorly for him

493
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Speaker 2: and he is risking falling flat on his face in

494
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Speaker 2: order to live with his principles. I just want to

495
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Speaker 2: be clear with folks. I hope it's the getting of

496
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 2: good news. It is not necessarily a guarantee. In fact,

497
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 2: I would say it's pretty far from, at least for now.

498
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Speaker 2: The other part to be there.

499
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Speaker 3: I think in the long run he's gonna be just fine,

500
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Speaker 3: and I.

501
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Speaker 2: Think long term he will be remembered quite fondly for

502
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Speaker 2: living his values, but that the choice he made turned

503
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Speaker 2: out to be a lucrative one for his career. I

504
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 2: mean there's a lot. Okay, think about anybody in sports

505
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 2: who took a stand with ownership for themselves. How often

506
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 2: were they financially rewarded, Especially if we're talking like big

507
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 2: structural changes that the industry needed. Dude, a lot of

508
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 2: them ended up broke, a lot of them ended up

509
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 2: remembered as a footnote, a lot of them lost. You fight,

510
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 2: you fought the law. The law wins typically, right. So

511
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Speaker 2: I just want to be clear about that. This is

512
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Speaker 2: it feels good. And I also want to say this

513
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 2: to the audience as well, saying like, I'm not accusing

514
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: you of this, because we'll be there no matter what.

515
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 2: But like for people who are fans of MMA, who

516
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Speaker 2: maybe like are proud of what Francis did or at

517
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Speaker 2: least find some value in it as well, Saying on

518
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Speaker 2: social media that you LIKEDS is great, and telling your

519
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: friends that you like Francis is great.

520
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: If you actually want to support Francis.

521
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: You have to go and follow what he does and

522
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: or buy his pay per views. And of course he

523
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Speaker 2: has the obligation to make that a good sales pitch.

524
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 2: He has to do something of value. But I'm really

525
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Speaker 2: pointing out saying on social media that you like Francis,

526
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Speaker 2: you agree with them, that's worth nothing. It's just not

527
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Speaker 2: worth a damn thing. The only thing that matters is

528
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Speaker 2: how you vote with your dollars and your attention dollars

529
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Speaker 2: in the end, and I think the last thing I'd say, though,

530
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Speaker 2: is this is the part we say. I wanted to

531
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Speaker 2: go back and forth with you a little bit, dude,

532
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Speaker 2: If you so, It's funny, right because if you look

533
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Speaker 2: at what he asked, he even says I wasn't expecting

534
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Speaker 2: to get everything. The money. It sounds to me like

535
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Speaker 2: the money was there, like that was not at all

536
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Speaker 2: he would have taken that.

537
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Speaker 1: Offer a competition offer. Do you think this guy's a

538
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Speaker 1: friend of anything'iculous?

539
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 2: It's totally ridiculous. But I will say that I think

540
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 2: it's what matters to him is if you come from

541
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 2: a deeply impoverished place where it is extremely difficult to escape,

542
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 2: I could imagine the guilt you might live with by

543
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Speaker 2: what you would consider leaving others behind. And I don't

544
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 2: think he wants to live with that guilt. And it

545
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: looks like he is living guilt free. Yes, if ever

546
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: there was. But this is the interesting part to me.

547
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: If you are asking for things that what's kind of

548
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: funny is asking for health insurance? Do these guys are

549
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: not really independent contractors, they're basically employees. They're mischaracter they're miscategorized,

550
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: and he's asking for things that I don't think are unfair. However,

551
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: we also know they are deeply unrealistic to do. Meaning

552
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Speaker 2: to me, he went into that meeting knowing there was

553
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Speaker 2: going to be in no. Yes, but are you negotiating

554
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 2: in good faith when you do that?

555
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Speaker 1: Yes? Because why because this is like these aren't like okay.

556
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Speaker 1: You may look at this and just say, dude, that's

557
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Speaker 1: business in America or we're anywhere worldwide. That's business. It's

558
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: caught throw it's it's not personal, it's business, the famous line.

559
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: But that's also what this is about for Francis, Like

560
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: he's not holding a grudge, whether it was slapping the

561
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Speaker 1: money in his face or trying to defame him or

562
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Speaker 1: trying to put pressure on him. Like he never buckled

563
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Speaker 1: because it's not about the money to him, and because

564
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Speaker 1: it's not personal, it's just business.

565
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Speaker 3: What was the spirit of your question, specifically that.

566
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Speaker 2: He went into the negotiation knowing he was asking the impossible.

567
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Speaker 1: This is a company that we're not alleging certain certain

568
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Speaker 1: things are going on, like where this is illuminating to

569
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Speaker 1: us to actually see the pine the scenes and anyone

570
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: that wants say, oh Ariel is such a prior, he

571
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Speaker 1: will that's the job. You don't get this information if

572
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Speaker 1: somebody that's a that's in a spot to interview on

573
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: that platform isn't doing exactly that. But this is a

574
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Speaker 1: company that is publicly lobbying against its own fighter's right

575
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Speaker 1: to organize, right, I mean with with you know, an

576
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: actual the actual legal structure of the law. Are trying

577
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Speaker 1: to built in as many obstacles to to keep the

578
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Speaker 1: fighters at bay and lessen their rights. That it's in

579
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Speaker 1: good faith because he's doing it for the right reasons.

580
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: It's not about anything loop but money. It's about like

581
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Speaker 1: how people are treated. And here's somebody who actually looks

582
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Speaker 1: at their life and their career in through the right classes.

583
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Speaker 1: That Again we all hope we do when when it's

584
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Speaker 1: our moment of time, But do we really like it

585
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: wasn't about the legacy or the career and the money

586
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: or any of that. So yeah, I believe he wants

587
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: to see change, Luke. And again, the only way change

588
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: ever happens is that somebody with something to lose is

589
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: willing to risk that. So you know, I've seen the

590
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: negative response. Bad like I said, bad businessman, or he's

591
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Speaker 1: just trying to make himself look.

592
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: At all that business decision. If what he actually values

593
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: is the principle more exactly the money in that case,

594
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: he is actually honoring the things that matter most to him.

595
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Not maximizing the dollars in that particular circumstance would not

596
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Speaker 2: be the high priority.

597
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Speaker 1: I mean, he had to, essentially on a business standpoint,

598
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Speaker 1: cut ties with his own agent, right because of the

599
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: heat that was being that was being created in a

600
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Speaker 1: lot of different ways. And I know Francis went on

601
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Speaker 1: Earil Show and said this wasn't a CIA versus endeavor

602
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Speaker 1: thing in the end, had nothing to.

603
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: Do with it.

604
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of heat those text messages.

605
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: There was a lot of heat that was building up

606
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: around and yet Francis said, Okay, I'll just do it myself.

607
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: And Luke, you know, not comparing Francis's business life and

608
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: walk to yours. But if you're not the number one

609
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: advocate it for yourself, then nobody else will be. So

610
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: all these people DM me and be like BC, you

611
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: are looking at this through the rosiest romanticized glasses. Like

612
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is about business, and

613
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: Francis doesn't have the acumen. And look what he just did.

614
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: He's represented himself. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing. No,

615
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: he knows exactly what he's doing, because nobody is going

616
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: to fight for exactly what not just you want, but

617
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: what you need in a principal sense better than you can.

618
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: And damn dude like it, like it's not for everybody,

619
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: not every person could do this, But I don't know

620
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: why it rings so true? True, man, I mean maybe

621
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: because in our own business, Luke, I don't have an agent.

622
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: You don't have an agent man, right, and I've had

623
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: horrible experiences with one too, And this isn't necessarily against that,

624
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: but it's the whole idea that at the end of

625
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 1: the day, like here's a here's a real one. It's

626
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: funny because Francis called mc maynard a real one and

627
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: said despite all the negotiations, like, that's a real guy.

628
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: And he didn't have the same about Hunter Campbell and Dana,

629
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: which I think we can all understand based on their

630
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: roles in the relationship. But like, no, Francis is a

631
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: real one. And so I don't think we can play

632
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: this mythical Paul Bunyan angle like as much like we

633
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: can do it at nauseum and not. I don't think

634
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: hit what to me with the value of his character

635
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: overall is and it's not just in the fight game,

636
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: it's everything he's went through to get here. You talk

637
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: about make a movie about someone's life, like drop everything

638
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: and make that now, only it's still in motion and

639
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: amazing things are happening. And look, I'm getting to the

640
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: point that even though the odds were extremely against him

641
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: on walking into a boxing ring under boxing rules against

642
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: a current boxing heavyweight champion and thinking this is anything

643
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: but a spectacle. Part of me wants to part of

644
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: me wants to cheer for him, part of me wants

645
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: to just believe that when you have this ridiculous level

646
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: of self belief, maybe this is a parallel to that

647
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: McGregor magic when he was beating everybody and got the

648
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: Floyd fight, and there were a lot of people and

649
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: there were parts of us that even wanted to as

650
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: knowledgeable sports combat sports fans that were like, man, maybe

651
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: he could because he just doesn't know anything different but

652
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: shooting for the stars and he just makes things happen. Dude.

653
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Speaker 1: I want to just believe that this is actually even

654
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Speaker 1: possible for Francis to do that, because I'm not sure

655
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: I've seen in sports something so real of the human

656
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: makeup of who somebody is, what really matters to them,

657
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: the journey they took to get there, how they've bounced

658
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: back from adversity, and how they are so steadfast on

659
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: their own goals and beliefs. And it wouldn't be you know,

660
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: there's been athletes who had goals and beliefs that didn't

661
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: seem to make a realistic sense. In the end, Tim

662
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: Tebow wanted to be a starting NFL quarterback for a

663
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: whole career, and all these things were being pushed against him.

664
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Speaker 3: Right, you'd have the miracle season. You get my point.

665
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: Tim Tebow's a victim.

666
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: You know, but you get my point where there's certain people.

667
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: You know, Evander Holyfield, when he was in his late forties,

668
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: was still like, no, you know, I'm here to become

669
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: the unifor underspeed a champion. God told me, I w

670
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, like when we were like when somebody like

671
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: Francis now says, I, you know, yeah, I'll probably this summer,

672
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking to do this absolutely ridiculous idea of calling

673
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: up Anthony Joshua or Fury ORed Wild or whatever and

674
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: going across from him. I want to believe that that

675
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: when when when jol Ra Merril gave that that that

676
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: rant he did to a phil phil Murphy of ESPN,

677
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, the go Anything's possible, dude, Like, I don't

678
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: know about you, but I watched that that probably about

679
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: four thousand times in a row after it happened, and

680
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's some of the realist stuff.

681
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 3: In this this.

682
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: Cowboy carnival combat sports world that we live in, and

683
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: a lot of it. We love that griminess and the

684
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: trash talk and all that bullshit and the pro wrestling

685
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: side that comes with it. That's the realist thing I've

686
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: actually ever heard in my life, for instance, is the

687
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: living embodiment of that. So like, I'm not even counting

688
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: him out in this crossover to boxing in some weird way,

689
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: and like, look, the odds, the structure of the system

690
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: are so tilted against the fighters in such ridiculous ways

691
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: that I'm getting to the point where I really don't

692
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Speaker 1: understand how you can be a hardcore fan of this

693
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Speaker 1: sport and also equally not care. It's one thing to say,

694
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch your show anymore because all

695
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: you guys talk about is business and debate who's right

696
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: or wrong. I don't care about the business. I care

697
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: about the fights. I get that.

698
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 3: But if you have a soul and you watch it,

699
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: you know UFC on.

700
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: The reg there's a huge balance.

701
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: And you know how the sausage is being made, and

702
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: some of it we're just finally getting the pieces and

703
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: we're match them together. It's why I alway shout out

704
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: the John Nashes and the other guy Mai and anybody

705
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: who's just sort of helping us kare piece it all

706
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: together to understand it's even more fucked up this system

707
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: than I thought it was.

708
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they have even more control.

709
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Speaker 1: Than I ever imagine that people.

710
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: Think it's a dunk when they go, well, who's the okay,

711
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: he left UFC, A real smart guy who you're gonna

712
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: fight out there, right. The fact that he might not

713
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: have a lot of great opponents inside MMA and has

714
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: to go to boxing tells you how much the industry

715
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: is controlled by a dominant single player. That it tells

716
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: you the industry is fucked in that way because the

717
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: number one heavyweight on the planet in MMA might have

718
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: a hard time fighting opponents that people care about because

719
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: vast majority of them in that way class and every

720
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: other one are locked up by a single promoter. But

721
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Speaker 2: let me make just one point, B see that I

722
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: just want to be clear about something, and I've been

723
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: in MMA for a long time, and this is one

724
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: thing that I've not always gotten right. In my much smaller,

725
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: more diminutive role relative to Francis Snconomism infinitesimally smaller, but

726
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: if you play a role in the sport, you'd I

727
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: think you should think about this. Fight or pay sometimes

728
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: becomes what people think is a conversation about dollars, and

729
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 2: the vast majority of the time it is. There are

730
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Speaker 2: a lot of people who feel like a lot of

731
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: fighters who are underpaid and just want more money to

732
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Speaker 2: get through the next camp or to reach a certain

733
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Speaker 2: goal and then get out of the sport when they've

734
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: got enough money. Right, I just want to use fighting

735
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: to get rich and or to you know, to set

736
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Speaker 2: my family up, buy some property, go on to my

737
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: next chapter of my life, and I think that's all great.

738
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Speaker 2: I think people associate fighter pay with dollars, but at

739
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: the heart of fighter pay is actually about treatment and

740
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: how we consider the plight of fighters more broadly, and

741
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Speaker 2: whether or not we care about them, and whether or

742
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: not we care about their interests and who's looking out

743
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: for them. And by the way, sometimes often they are

744
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: their own worst advocate. I saw Charles Jordan speaking out

745
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: against changes to fighter pay, which to me is incomprehensible.

746
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: But this is the key. For Francis BC, this is

747
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: the key. There are a lot of people who don't

748
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: mind getting into the sport, taking from it and leaving.

749
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: And that's true of managers, fighters, promoters, media brands, who

750
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Speaker 2: are sponsors, you name it. Francis, like all of us,

751
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: has partly been a taker, right, he has been paid,

752
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: and he's been in some services. But it looks to

753
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: me like what he actually wants to do is to

754
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 2: make MMA better, and he actually wants to sacrifice some

755
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: of his long term interests, including maybe even short term interests,

756
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: in order to make MMA better. Now I am skeptical

757
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: this will work, quite candidly, but that is at the

758
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: heart of what he is doing. That is what he

759
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: is sacrificing on the off altar of future greatness. There's

760
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: just not many people. I've been around for almost fifteen

761
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: actually little more than fifteen years at this point, covering

762
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: the sport. There are not many people, especially ones who

763
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: are in lofty positions where they can get paid, who

764
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: are willing to sacrifice some of that in the hopes

765
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: of making the sport actually more equitable and actually more fair,

766
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: because they actually think not merely about themselves but about

767
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: how the broader system should work. That is rare, that

768
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: is commendable, It is extremely risky, but it is real,

769
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: and I think that is how we should examine the

770
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: lens of this situation and why.

771
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: And again, I really the reactions to major UFC news

772
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: never never, like it never stopped surprising me at the

773
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: And I know you could say that's just a one

774
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: percent on Twitter who are.

775
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: But it's not a real sample.

776
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Speaker 1: I don't know to some degree though, just that the

777
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: whole idea again of like, you know, Francis lost his

778
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: leverage and then went all in and overplayed his hand

779
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: and now he's got to walk away and try to

780
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: find opponents, Like that's actually the way this is being framed.

781
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: So that makes me question, Like that makes me question

782
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: are the real principles out there anymore?

783
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: One?

784
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: But two, like, is everyone at the end of the

785
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: day about money, Like is that always the the you know,

786
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: the last remaining defining thing. And no one, no one's

787
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: trying to say that Francis has no chance to make

788
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: me He can go make more money potentially in one

789
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: night than he.

790
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: Ever did in a boxing match.

791
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: But like I just I was naive, knowing already the

792
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: control that UFC had over over its fighters. I would

793
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: still I still find myself almost on a weekly basis

794
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: more and more naive to how much of an uphill

795
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: battle it actually is to have just just just representation

796
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: that you can actually trust and count on are going

797
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: to bat for you. That's why when when people are

798
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: like criticizing Francis for representing himself, I'm like, maybe here's

799
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: the first time somebody actually can do it and is

800
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: educated enough and has the belief and passionate enough to

801
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: pull this off. And maybe this is more of the

802
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: beginning of the true change that's gonna come from this.

803
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Maybe not a union tomorrow or a pay raise, maybe

804
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: more people watching that and going, oh crap, I got

805
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: a level up, Like I've got to not just take

806
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: control of my own destiny, but like I can't just

807
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: trust that this manager that that has you know, that

808
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: has great success and a huge roster is willing to

809
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: go to bat for me on that level and risk

810
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: it all to make change.

811
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Speaker 3: And Uh, it's got to start somewhere, Luke.

812
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: So I like all the fear, all the fears you

813
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: have of of how it could go wrong and why

814
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: it could be, he can actually become.

815
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Speaker 2: The the way you live your life, seriously, way you

816
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: live your life. Would you have done that because I

817
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: gotta tell you the way I live my life, I

818
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: do have certain principles, but like fixing MMA, I mean

819
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: most days I think M M A is beyond repair.

820
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: I probably would have just taken the money. To be

821
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 2: candid with you, what about you.

822
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. It's hard to say. I mean,

823
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: like he's not in a position where he where like

824
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: he needs the money, So that also changes this equation.

825
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: He has other many options away from the UFC, whether

826
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: there whether it's a short window or not, he has

827
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: many options to make immediate money, but and probably in

828
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: any other business adventures adventures that he has.

829
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Speaker 3: But uh, I mean I hope I would, Luke, I

830
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 3: really hope I would.

831
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Speaker 1: I really felt like this made me re examine, though,

832
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: to be fair, my own my own standing on certain things,

833
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: because there would have been great reason, like you said,

834
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: to just take the eight million, whether on paper that

835
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: was the highest the UFC heavyweight ever made or not.

836
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: And I'm saying that that's something that should be rejected.

837
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's more about the overall principle and the treatment.

838
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: And so like I spit it back to you on this,

839
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: because how how naive am I here? Luke because I

840
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: do always want to be What I love about our

841
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: show is we're willing to be as honest as we

842
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: can right in the certain in the in each topic

843
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: and the currents set up. But I think with that though,

844
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: is we have to be optimate. We have to be

845
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: willing to give the other side it's side in a

846
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: lot of times, Luke, lately on the big stuff, you

847
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: and I just happened to be aligning on the same

848
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: side for the most part. But I do want to

849
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: tell that other side. What am I being too romantic about?

850
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: I mean, is this really just business, Luke on the

851
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: highest level, and we're just finally getting exposed to it.

852
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: I think it has to be that way. I don't

853
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: think it's like that in the NBA, dude.

854
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: I think I mean, it's just kind of weird that there. Listen,

855
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: there's a sense within the MMA media it seems like that,

856
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: or at least the fan, I should say, the fan

857
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: perception of the MMA media is that the fan the

858
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: media has it out for the UFC and has it

859
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: out for Dana White and will that criticize them at

860
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: every turn, which is to some extent not not entirely untrue,

861
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: but that it is at this point irrational and has

862
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: gone to an extent where you know, the defense of

863
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: it or the pursuit of it is no longer defensible.

864
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: I think that, like they are negative, we are negative.

865
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: I mean we I do it too. I think on

866
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: some of that, actually it's not. You can't dismiss that

867
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: point completely at all. I think there's something to be

868
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: said for that. On the other hand, guys, there's a

869
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that people tell us off the record

870
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: that unfortunately it's hard to corroborate, and it's hard to

871
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: share news with you, and that makes it very difficult

872
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: to accept this argument. But just you have here's why

873
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: MMA media might be more negative than the fans in

874
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: terms of how the industry is constructed. It's because we

875
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: see the machine up close in ways that you know,

876
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: by virtue of the position. And I just have to

877
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 2: tell you that, like the fighters, and again they are

878
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: often their worst advocate in ways that it makes it

879
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: extremely frustrating. But there is an imbalance in this industry

880
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: and it has massive consequences. It has massive effects, and

881
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: it is hard to sit by and be super like

882
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: just cheerful all the time. Let's stock fights, which by

883
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: the way we're about to. We're about to because that

884
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: is part of the job as well. But it's hard

885
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: to be relentlessly positive in ways that I think the

886
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: fans would more agree with, but it requires us to

887
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: ignore these in some cases throughout the industry in general, abuses, mistreatment,

888
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: unequal access to the same kinds of opportunities, like all

889
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: kinds of moments that are you just going to turn

890
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: the other way every fucking time? Every times? Why we

891
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: get back to the Dana White situation where he hits

892
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: his wife and I know we've been over this a

893
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: million times, but like for the media who didn't speak out,

894
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: due if you're not going to speak out, then when

895
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 2: are you going to speak out? And there's just too

896
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: much of it. This situation that the UFC had a

897
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: billionaire brother backing to get going in a regulatory environment

898
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: that was wide open. There were virtually no rules about it.

899
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: Quite literally, there were no fucking rules about it, and

900
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: they created a very compelling, dynamic product, there's simply no

901
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: argument about it. But in the course of doing that,

902
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: they solidified the industry to bend to their will and

903
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: it has created a massive unequal share of control in

904
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: the industry and that carries negative consequences, and if being

905
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: honest about that is a problem, then this isn't a

906
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: show for you, simple right.

907
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah to say it. Yeah, I mean if you see something,

908
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: say something, Luke, I see something. Okay, that's really it

909
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: right there, all right? But uh, you know, spinning off there, Luke,

910
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: what do you think because Francis said a return and

911
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: you know, as he's as early as June or July

912
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: would be preferred, and it made it sound he did

913
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: make it sound like the recovery from the knee injury

914
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: is going positive, but that it's a process that you know,

915
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't able to turn around in December, and you

916
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: know there was a rumor that UFC offered him the

917
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: fight there, so uh, he said it's more likely that

918
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: he does a boxing match in the summer. But he

919
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: did say in the first two days since this news broke,

920
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: his phone had been blowing up predominantly with MMA offers.

921
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

922
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: There's certainly a conversation behind and I think we've already

923
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: had parts of it over again, like how big are

924
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: these fights that he could make now and how many

925
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: actual legitimate MMA appointments are there that like would make

926
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: you care what's most likely for him this year, because

927
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: he will be judged he's going to box first, fairly

928
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: or unfairly, his decision, that the stance he made will

929
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: be judged in a lot of ways by the immediate

930
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: success or lack of that he has this year.

931
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know who he's going to

932
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: box in what time. I don't know. In fact, he

933
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: may end up doing MMA. But here's my guess. My

934
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: guess is his first order of business just based on

935
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: where the money is and the opportunity. In fact that

936
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: it's speaking with some folks close to Nate Diaz, I

937
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: think he's going to be in the exact same trajectory.

938
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: I think both Nate Diaz and Francis and Ganuo are

939
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: going to try some version, whether it's Nate and Jake Paul.

940
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Jake Paul later in the show, because

941
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: he has a fight could be that could be Floyd

942
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: and Rising, some some kind of matchup.

943
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: The market is open right now, right in that.

944
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: Sense, in that sense, or you know, uh, Francis might

945
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: do something in this similar who the hell knows kinds

946
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: of way. So I think they're both going to scratch

947
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 2: that edge and then it will be a return to MMA.

948
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: But at that point it's just too hard to tell

949
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: exactly what will be what will be the case.

950
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: So dude, wherever he wants to go, he's.

951
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: The number one heavyweight in the world, at least for

952
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: right now. At least for right now.

953
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: No, but do you feel like I don't know, Maybe

954
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: maybe I am drunk on the romance of it, Luke,

955
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like this is just the beginning for

956
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: him and the the real things he's going to do

957
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: and accomplish in his life and how he's truly going

958
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: to inspire people. And tied into that, his dream was

959
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: always to fight in Africa, and he did mention Ariel

960
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: that you know it's not something you can just do

961
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: on a women.

962
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: Just know that that is legit difficult.

963
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: There is within combat sports a nostalgic rumbull in the

964
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: jungles ie or feel Francis should be a part of

965
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: that fight, whatever it is. But could you imagine if

966
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: if a Fury fight eventually does get made, if that's

967
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: the direction they go, would that would that would that

968
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: what would that do to change?

969
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: Like?

970
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: You know, what if it was Francis I.

971
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: Mean you're talking. I mean, this is very pie in

972
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: the sky, you know. But like h and by the way,

973
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: like Rumbold, the Jungle was made because Seco gave don

974
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: King money that he couldn't raise elsewhere to make the

975
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 2: fight happen.

976
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's make the mistake. Boxing is dirty and

977
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: ship and always has been. It's just that there's no organization. Y.

978
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was a very unique set of circumstances,

979
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: and he was looking for that fight to sports wash

980
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: for Zaia in his government. So like it's you know,

981
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: let's be clear about that. But you know, let's just

982
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: say and Cameroon is a deeply poor place, but some

983
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: kind of place in Africa that would be you know,

984
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: representative or feel like he was doing something to give

985
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: back to whatever causes matter for him do That would

986
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: be historic. I mean it would be truly historic, right,

987
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: that would be That would be maybe like a like

988
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: ali Andaki, which Josh Gross wrote at Great Book on

989
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: is almost a little bit forgotten because the fight itself

990
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: kind of sucked, you know, But what if you had

991
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: like an ali Enaki that delivered, right, what if you

992
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: had an ali Enaki that was actually big and memorable

993
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: and fun and cool and historic for the place that

994
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: it was fought in and everything else. You know, again,

995
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: you're talking very much of all the ways this could go.

996
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: One of the better permutations, But if something like that

997
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: were to happen, that would be you know, historic beyond words.

998
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: Because I think again, I think win or lose a

999
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of money or little money, Francis is going to

1000
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: be fine, and this is really what matters to him.

1001
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: So I think an event like that, I would assume

1002
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: would matter more to him on what the impact of it.

1003
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 1: But as a fan of combat sports in Francis, would

1004
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: you rather see, let's just say the fury in Africa

1005
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: rumbling jungle two thing did happen? Would you rather see

1006
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: a modified rules, maybe with four ounce may gloves to make.

1007
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 3: It a more interesting fighter.

1008
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: Would you rather see hold on Francis get the chance

1009
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: at the legitimate heavyweight championship of the world in boxing?

1010
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Considering this mythical thing of doing it in Africa, consider

1011
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: it camera room, wherever you want to do it.

1012
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: I think the coolest thing if it was ever possible,

1013
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 2: and it's probably not, but if it was ever possible

1014
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: to be a two fight deal one in pure boxing,

1015
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: one kind of like what one does with four ounce

1016
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: moy tie, where you could have boxing plus dirty boxing

1017
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: and you know, fence wrestling or something like that. Right,

1018
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: no takedowns or whatever, but you know that kind of

1019
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: a thing.

1020
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: So no kicking. You can't do kicking, Yeah.

1021
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: No kicking. No wrestling again, you could do dirty boxing

1022
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: and you know, underhook someone alone. B KFC rules in

1023
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: a sense something like that custom rules in some kind

1024
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: of way. I think that would be.

1025
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: Trumanous because I mean, again, I'm pie in the sky.

1026
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: Very pine, very but he's gonna fighting like some fucko

1027
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: on what.

1028
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: Thank you actually like, Look, it's a gimmick to have

1029
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: him come in as the reigning and defending best heavyweight

1030
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: in MMA to try to challenge the best heavyweight in boxing.

1031
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: It's a gimmick if that's a real fight for the

1032
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: title online. But hey, something like this has been done

1033
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: before to a certain degree. But would you be okay

1034
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: with that gimmick if it was in Cameroon? Dude, Bill

1035
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: does like rumble in the jungle too, wouldn't that make

1036
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: that gimmick? Like, just isn't the best way to do that?

1037
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: Best way to do that? In his home country the Cameroon.

1038
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have the facilities or that's

1039
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: the right place for Okay, just yes, after for the gate,

1040
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: I think alone, Yes, that would be tremendous. It would

1041
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: be tremendous.

1042
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: It would be true, like you'd be willing even if

1043
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: you were like the most ardent boxing traditionalist ever, you'd

1044
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: be like, that's a cool story. Let's do that for

1045
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: the real heavyweight championship.

1046
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it'd be questions about where you put it

1047
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: and everything else. But yeah, I mean just again, virtue

1048
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: is its own reward, and Francis made that choice to

1049
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: be virtuous in accordance with his values. But whether or

1050
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: not that leads to financial success, they are to me disconnected.

1051
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: So we'll see, all right, PC. With that in mind,

1052
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: let's put that behind us. Want to make sure our

1053
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: because mere listeners know, Holy Hammer people, we see you,

1054
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,279
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1061
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1062
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Speaker 2: We plan to highlight our nominees on the show and

1063
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Speaker 2: pick one winner. Of course, at the end of every month,

1064
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: when you are watching the fights over the weekend, we

1065
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Speaker 1: Aaron Blanchfield's got one of these, yep, and we got

1073
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: to give him Wellia. We're in the process of adding

1074
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: that to him, so uh uh. We know a couple

1075
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: of weeks back, we saw roymand Villa in the showtime

1076
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: pay per view under card had a big moment, but

1077
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: we saw I think more than a few over this

1078
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: past weekend, Luke with one Championship with the UFC's first

1079
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: card of the new year. I mean, are we talking

1080
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: about Umar and magha Medov right now? When we're talking

1081
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: about Holy Hammer.

1082
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: Yes, he beat the fucking shit out of hang Ony Barcelos. Yes.

1083
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: Are we talking about Roman Copylove, Yes.

1084
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: We sure are. That jab and liverkick was?

1085
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: How about that dude in the kickboxing one main event

1086
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: that was pretty.

1087
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: Much Chini's Alasov Dude, that was nuts. Fuck yeah, he's

1088
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: on that one. He's on dude, there's some great already,

1089
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: there's some great ones you could pick from.

1090
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about you and the kmmoter earlier?

1091
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1092
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: That was that was?

1093
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: That was? That was faed or noghero one crowd he

1094
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: dropped one of these.

1095
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure h b C.

1096
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to say who it was, but a

1097
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: friend of mine in the industry, I'll say, uh A

1098
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Hispanic person wrote to me to give me a clarification

1099
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: on the word gringo. Now I have to say, if

1100
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: he's still watching this, I want you to know I

1101
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: only halfway believe you by virtue of the way I've.

1102
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: Seen it us, Like, can't we just say the name

1103
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: Danny Sigura.

1104
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: No, it's not Danny. No, it's literally not Danny. I

1105
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: was one hundred percent okay, although Danny would probably agree

1106
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: he's saying this person who wrote this to me that

1107
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: it's true of anyone from the United States, including someone

1108
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: of Mexican descent who's like fully American, who then goes

1109
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: to like Mexico or another country or whatever. Right, so

1110
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: you can actually be a gringo and still be of

1111
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: Hispanic origin. I'm gonna call bullshit on that now, not

1112
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: in not in the totality of it. I'm sure it

1113
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: has happened, but I will just tell you that, Like,

1114
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: first of all, I know Hispanic people who call Americans

1115
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: gringos here, Like, if you live in the United States

1116
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: and someone is here, you can't be a gringo here.

1117
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: You can only be a gringo there. Number one. Number two,

1118
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: let's just be real, like they interject it like I've

1119
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: been to bars and shit and there's a bunch of

1120
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: white people dancing, and they like, look at these fucking gringos.

1121
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: That's how it gets used all the time. You know

1122
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I'm uncle gringo, Your uncle gringo. I'm

1123
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: very you know. It's like every time you see it,

1124
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: it's like it's never like like wow, we're so glad

1125
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: these gringos are here.

1126
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: You know, It's never I have one sibling, my sister.

1127
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: She has three kids, have a niece and two nephews.

1128
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: You know what, They call me uncle brother.

1129
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: Okay, that's disturbing. It's a little on the weird side.

1130
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it is, Luke. I think I have

1131
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: a connection with them that goes deeper. Okay, breaking news,

1132
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 1: do you want to hear it? Yeah, this is from

1133
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: at Rafa Marinho.

1134
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Okay, he is reliable.

1135
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: The UFC is looking to book Amanda Nunas versus irein

1136
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: A al Donna for the bantam waight title UFC two

1137
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: eighty five on March fourth, the same night as John

1138
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: Jones See It All Gone.

1139
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: That's a great one.

1140
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: That's that's a good ass fight. That is a good

1141
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: you know for that.

1142
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: That division is not hot at the moment from the

1143
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: standpoint of many contenders and storylines. Luke, I'll take that

1144
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: matchup though.

1145
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: Heck yeah, yeah, Okay, the hell is it blowing up

1146
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: right now? Yeah? I know, like someone's going whatever whatever.

1147
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: Our showtime producers texted us, going, BC, what amphetamine are

1148
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: you on?

1149
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: In my response, passion, I don't mean passion fruit flavored, Luke,

1150
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: there's no vaping here. This is just you know, Are

1151
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: you proud of me?

1152
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 2: I haven't vaped.

1153
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: I am very proud of you.

1154
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: Seriously, I want one bad right, but I'm fighting it.

1155
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm fighting it.

1156
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: So oh do you do you crave the watermelon taste?

1157
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: Or do you crave being high?

1158
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: The actual taste of smoking? Like the actual process, like

1159
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: the yeah, the actual All right, let's go to it

1160
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: UFC two eighty three BC. As we mentioned before, Uh,

1161
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: this is a great card. We're going to have Annik, Felder,

1162
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: and Cormier on the call. I actually think that's a

1163
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: great booth personally.

1164
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: That might Is that the best booth right now?

1165
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: Ah, it's up there.

1166
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all Paul's in the conversation. But would

1167
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: you But are you more of a Dom Cruise fan?

1168
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: Are you more of I will say it this way.

1169
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: I used to be more Dom Cruise.

1170
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't.

1171
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm not as much anymore. I think Felder has taken

1172
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: his slot from me. Okay, I think Felder Annik and

1173
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: you kind.

1174
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: Of need D. I know people want to hate on

1175
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: DC style, but you need that that happy presence in

1176
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: the D.

1177
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: He's funny, He's funny as shure.

1178
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: He brings a certain levity to the broadcast. I like

1179
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: him for his wrestling knowledge, Like when he's talking wrestling,

1180
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 2: I really tune.

1181
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: You would admit that him and Rogan.

1182
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's too it's too it sounds like it sounds

1183
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: like the Manning cast, you know what I mean?

1184
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: Like there just I like having one guy who's the right.

1185
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with the Manning cast, but it's a

1186
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: secondary broadcast by yeah, you know what I mean, Like

1187
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: it's not the you don't hear that as their primary

1188
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: one to seek more in that role, but that's just

1189
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: met I like, I like in that role as well.

1190
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: This will take away said the Junes Arena. Uh, and

1191
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: of course we'll be on pay per view BC. In

1192
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: your main event, Glover to Shia will be fighting Jamal

1193
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: Hill for the vacant UFC light heavyweight title. Uh. It

1194
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: is vacant because Maga met Unclaiev and excuse me, Jan

1195
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: Blohovich could not claim it in a bizarre, kind of

1196
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: shitty fight that had questionable but whatever scoring. And so

1197
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: we're still at a point where there is no existing

1198
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: champion as we speak today in this weight class.

1199
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: Real slim shady, please stand up, is what you're saying.

1200
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: Right, And then They booked this one kind of like

1201
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: last minute as well, because remember Jamal Hill was supposed

1202
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: to be fighting Anthony Smith. They just pulled Anthony out

1203
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: of that and said we're gonna give it to Glover BC.

1204
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: This is a fight that I don't think a lot

1205
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: of people asked for. I don't think people are upset

1206
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: per se that Jamal Hill has earned a good opportunity

1207
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: or that Glover is back. Yeah, but it's definitely a

1208
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: the fight no one asked for. And b I don't

1209
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: think the winner of this can rightfully claim to be

1210
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: the top light heavyweight.

1211
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: No, and it's it's it's it's tough right now because

1212
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: this division is a mess. And I think this title

1213
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: picture and the decision making also got a little bit messy.

1214
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: Although I do understand that the hands being tied here

1215
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: with that draw and with Prahatchka being out now for

1216
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: a full year, but it's like on paper, is this

1217
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: a good fight?

1218
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: Oh dude, this fight rules?

1219
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this fight might might be just action oriented

1220
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: back and forth, you know, a poor man's version, if

1221
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: you will, of the fireworks that Glover and YEARI gave

1222
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: us for the title last time. But you know, the

1223
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: storyline potential is huge on a field good level, certainly

1224
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: with forty three year old Glover now fighting in his

1225
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: home country for the first time since twenty fourteen, with

1226
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: a legitimate chancer to become a two time champion and

1227
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: raise it up now, Luke, if we were going to

1228
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: predict further doom for the UFC from a bad karma standpoint,

1229
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: we would probably say, well, there's two scenarios that might

1230
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: not be great here where a champion could be crowned,

1231
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: but it could make it worse. What if Glover wins it?

1232
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: But what if it's a war and he survives it,

1233
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: and you know, in the moment he's like, I know

1234
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: I said I wouldn't retire right now, but I'm in

1235
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: my home country, you know what I mean. I don't

1236
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: have to fight again. They can't make me, you know,

1237
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm going away. Or what if the fight is just

1238
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: not good and Jamal Hill wins it, and even though

1239
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: Jamal Hill is on a run of three straight knockouts

1240
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: against legitimate opponents to get him into this larger conversation,

1241
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: did he actually earn this title shot and would that

1242
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: make you feel confident like, oh yeah, the best light

1243
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: have you wit and Division definitely just won it. No,

1244
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: it wouldn't wouldn't be Jamal Hill's fault though, But I

1245
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: think there are ways that this bad feeling can't continue,

1246
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: even though this is a sneaky good matchup on paper.

1247
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: But I meant kind of like Nico Montango fighting for

1248
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: the title that time. I don't I don't know if

1249
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: I can recall a title fight like this where like

1250
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: the matchup expect to be entertained but feels so ambivalent

1251
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: about misguided. I don't know the right adjective about the

1252
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: title stakes and whether that's that, you know what I mean,

1253
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: like whether the title really mean you know, kind of

1254
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: like when we got when we walked into Bisping Hendo two.

1255
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 3: You're like, great fight storyline, but this shouldn't be happening right.

1256
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: Now, especially not at four am in London, which it turned.

1257
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: It was a wild fight though. Let's give Dan Handle credit.

1258
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, so I would say that. Look, I

1259
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: don't think the winner of this can rightfully claim to

1260
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: be better than Vadeem Nimkoff. I don't. I just don't

1261
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: think that's true. But I will say this, there's it's

1262
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: an interesting possibility either way. If Glover reclaims the title,

1263
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: that would be in some cases almost historic and hugely

1264
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: I think validating for the kind of career he's in

1265
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 2: the last chapter of this career that he's put together

1266
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 2: for himself. In the case of Jamal Hill, it would

1267
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: be I would say, on the feet, he is nasty

1268
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: and dangerous and a threat to anyone in that division.

1269
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: And if you were to win, though, that would be

1270
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: one of the more lopsided skill sets you would see

1271
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: for a UFC weight class champion. Right. Yes, I mean

1272
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: Habib had a lopsided skill set, but it was so controlling,

1273
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: quite literally from a physical standpoint, that he kind of

1274
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: get around it. Jamal Hill, I don't. I'm not gonna

1275
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: sit here and say he has a bad ground game,

1276
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: but I think he's got a limited one. I do

1277
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: think that's true. I think he's largely training defense. Right,

1278
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: He's not going to go on the offense except for

1279
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of ground and pound on top.

1280
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: But he's not going to pass guard, take the back.

1281
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: He's not threatened that way. So it'd be unusual for

1282
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: a weight class champ to be somewhat as lopsided as

1283
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: as he is. But I do think they match you up. Well,

1284
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: Glover is older, he can strike, but we've seen more

1285
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: recently he's gone back to his wrestling and his grappling

1286
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: when he needs to.

1287
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: And if he goes all ham on the ground game here,

1288
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: this could get This could get dicey for.

1289
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: Jah and his ground and pound is terrifying. His top

1290
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: control is terrifying. Unlike Jamal Hill, he can take your back,

1291
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: he can threaten the pass, he can do lots of

1292
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: stuff on the ground. So it's all almost a bit

1293
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: of a striker versus grappler fight in a way, which

1294
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: is fine and interesting.

1295
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: Did you think the UFC has a preference here on

1296
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that, and I think

1297
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: the preference would be to share a It'd be a

1298
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: great moment to do this in front of his home fans,

1299
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: for sure. He's on this run of making spectacularly fun

1300
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: action fights but also having the willing the ability to

1301
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: still be credible in a couple of different categories, to

1302
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: be in spots to win, not just in the upset

1303
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: to win the title. But you know he's this is

1304
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: this is basically a pick on betting wise, right, this

1305
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: is this.

1306
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: The odds as they were put in the rundown not

1307
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: quite Jamal Hill's slight favorite, I think.

1308
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: Because look, let's be fair though either way, there's a

1309
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: potential here that this is a transitional champion in my

1310
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: opinion setting, I think on Glive gets the winner.

1311
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: Do you disagree with me? Uncleav gets the win?

1312
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: Probably yes, and and he would be favored and look,

1313
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: he also has to make some tweaks and changes, but yeah,

1314
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: I think it's that. But Luke, do you remember that

1315
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: feeling with Michael bisbeing upset? Luke Rockol, Yes, that feeling

1316
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: where you felt great because we love Bisping in his

1317
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: story and he finally got the validation the Hall of

1318
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: Fame stamp in that moment and also taking the fight

1319
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: on short notice against the guy who had dominated him.

1320
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like there, right, But didn't you

1321
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: have that feeling? Like great story, but the best middleweight

1322
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: in the world is not the champion at the moment?

1323
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: Do you think we have that feeling no matter who

1324
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: wins this fight on Saturday? And it's not a horrible feeling.

1325
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: It happens at times, But it's a good question. Uh,

1326
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: would you am I being wrong? Am I being too

1327
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: wrong about the Bissing thing, Like I had felt like, hey,

1328
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: great fight against Anderson, but I thought the judges got

1329
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: it wrong. And then he upsets rock Hold and you're like, man,

1330
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: great story.

1331
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: But like I thought that he beat rock Hold fair

1332
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: and square.

1333
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, well not suggesting that. Yeah, No, he found his

1334
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 3: weakness and exploited it.

1335
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 2: The thing is, I Bisping had really just the right

1336
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: performances at just the right time, and it ended up

1337
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 2: being a bit of a feel good story. Folks forget

1338
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 2: there were long stretches of Bisping's career where he was

1339
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: a villain, right, so that's different than this situation.

1340
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: But we always believed he could win a title, So

1341
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't I like that was the north star. It

1342
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: was just sort of like, oh, this guy's champion right now.

1343
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: That was more of what yah.

1344
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, So in any case, it's a little

1345
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: bit different than I think the way you're setting it up.

1346
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: But I just feel like what folks should expect is

1347
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: whoever the winner of this is has a claim to

1348
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: being top three, top two, maybe, depending if it's Glover,

1349
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: I think a little more well rounded. And then it's

1350
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: on to the next to see if there's a more

1351
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: dominant figure out we had I had thought, I guess

1352
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 2: incorrectly at this point. Yeah, that Uncleia was the inevitable one,

1353
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: and he is not. He may end up being, but

1354
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: not in the way that I thought he was going

1355
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: to be. So so that turned out to be not

1356
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: quite as true as I had hoped.

1357
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: But he might, he may get a kick in the pants.

1358
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: He might again, But I had thought he was just gonna,

1359
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: like when John Jones took the title, was like, dude,

1360
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a fucking wild before someone takes it

1361
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: twenty three too, Yeah, it was crazy. So I think

1362
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: he's even younger than twenty three. But anyway, it's a

1363
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: fine fight. But there's nothing it's like spectacular about it.

1364
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: That being said, but hold on just to close on this,

1365
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: because we were being critical there of the way it

1366
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: played out, and I think it's fair. I think in

1367
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: this case it's fair to criticize the way that they're

1368
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: sort of just robbing from Peter to pay Paul. Okay,

1369
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: you guys fight for the title. Now, the comment argument

1370
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: of what could they have done, what would be a

1371
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: better option given, I mean, it's a rare situation, right, So.

1372
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even that question is the wrong question. Remember

1373
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: what does the UFC value above everything else, the trains

1374
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: leaving the station on time. They want to book dates

1375
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: in cities that have been planned out ahead of time,

1376
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: they want to keep. They know exactly which titles they

1377
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: need to be in rotation, they know exactly which shows

1378
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: they want to have, and it's about making sure that

1379
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: all of those shows, whether it's a pay per view,

1380
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: whether it's at the APEX, whether it's on the road,

1381
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: whether it's a fight night, whether it's on ABC, whatever

1382
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: it is, that it has all of its needs met.

1383
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: And so when they book a date and something happens

1384
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: or they can't quite get what they want, they will

1385
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: do what you call robbing Peter to pay Paul. At

1386
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: that point, that's the most rational decision you could make

1387
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: if you're operating in the UFC. But once those things happen,

1388
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 2: you're just accommodating a date. It no longer becomes about

1389
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: making sure you have the best product.

1390
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: So, but you can you can also say, did Jan

1391
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: and Unclia deserve a chance at a rematch for the

1392
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: for the vacant time, I thought it so.

1393
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: But then here's the thing. If the fight had been exciting.

1394
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: They might have done one, but the fight was kind

1395
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: of like It's like once on Calia figured it out,

1396
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: the fight got like easy for him. It's like, why

1397
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: the fuck did you wait until the fourth to start

1398
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: taking this guy down?

1399
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: The real answer would be that it didn't need to

1400
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: be rushed right around the corner, although I get look,

1401
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: Glover has they needed a headline, dude, this is the business.

1402
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: This is the first show back in Brazil for the

1403
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: Ultimate Fighting Championship since the last show, which was headlined

1404
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: by Charles Olavera versus Kevin Lee, which was during the pandemic.

1405
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: And remember they were supposed to go to London I

1406
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 2: think the week or two after and that's when all

1407
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: the airports were closing and governments were closing and blah

1408
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: blah blah. This is their return since then. They had

1409
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: to have some kind of crown jewel on this and

1410
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: Lover title fight. Now, let me frame how all brazil

1411
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: this card is.

1412
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: There's fifteen fights on this pay per view, which is

1413
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: a lot. There's a Brazilian born born fighter in every

1414
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: single fight all fifteen. Two of the fights have two

1415
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: Brazilian born fighters fighting each other, and both the main

1416
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: event and co main event, both of which are title

1417
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: fights obviously have a Brazilian fighting for it as well.

1418
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and you get Showguns last fight, which I'm

1419
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: sure we'll mention, and you get certain key storylines of

1420
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: up and coming people like dude, this is the I

1421
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: guess you're right. They had to do something big, but

1422
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: I feel like they they from just a brazil standpoint,

1423
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: they accomplished that like a slam dunk. Yeah, this is

1424
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: like a recent history of Brazilian grade.

1425
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: So it's a reminder of what a ever present, continuing,

1426
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 2: fucking powerhouse Brazil is in modern Marshall and mixed Marshall.

1427
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: And we get Gilbert Burns back. I mean, it's a

1428
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: good ass card.

1429
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: The card overall is quality. The main event is a

1430
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: is fine. There's nothing wrong with it as a main event,

1431
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: but it's like a pay per view worthy that's we're

1432
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: going to It's gonna suffer at the box office. Let's

1433
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: just be clear about that. Okay.

1434
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: However, BC nothing could have done Glover versus John two

1435
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: at heavyweight?

1436
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: Glover versus John two at heavyweight? Would he want to fight? Yeah,

1437
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: you're not gonna bring John. I'm a good come on

1438
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: that's not a bad idea. Come on, I was at

1439
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: Glover John one John John different.

1440
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: Now it's heavyweight. It's a different Glover. Come on, you know,

1441
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: because in real I.

1442
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: Wouldn't hate seeing it. I wouldn't hate seeing it. But

1443
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: if you're the UFC, it's like, we're gonna bring you

1444
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: on Joe's back on pay per view. We're gonna put

1445
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: it in Brazil. You're not gonna sell nearly as many

1446
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: paper view bys that way, all right? So then co

1447
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: made event. UFC Flyweight Championship is up for grabs again

1448
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: when reigning champion Devison Figuredo, who nearly quit, is defending

1449
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: his title for the I guess, the first time since

1450
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: he won it back the last time against Brandon Marino,

1451
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: the first quadrilogy in UFC history. There have been other

1452
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: ones in MMA, but this has all taking place under

1453
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: the UFC banner?

1454
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

1455
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: Have there?

1456
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: I know that? Okay? They don't. USC does not consider

1457
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter Season fights as real fights or exhibitions. Yes,

1458
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: but if you count those, haven't some people fought each

1459
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: other four times?

1460
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: Or am I wrong? Maybe that's case Tim Silvia and

1461
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: Orlovsky fight show the four times, but the last of

1462
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: the four was in one.

1463
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So in terms of UFC real fights, I mean

1464
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: the cool part about this these are Figuredo's four fights

1465
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: in succession, all four in a row against Marina, back

1466
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: to back to back to back.

1467
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe, so I can't be wrong.

1468
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: Moreno has the Kai Car France fight as his last

1469
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: fight to get the interim title. Now I mean that

1470
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: what's cool.

1471
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: You're right, Brandon Moreno draw, Brandon Moreno lost, Brandon ma

1472
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: Reno victory great.

1473
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: So what's cool about it for Moreno is he didn't

1474
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: We didn't necessarily need to have him fight Kai Car

1475
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: France or the interim title was more again about a

1476
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: business decision by the UFC to have another time.

1477
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: He was losing it until he was hard.

1478
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: But him having earned that also kind of makes this

1479
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: fight even cooler because it is a unification, even though

1480
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: that part of it is kind of unnecessary, and it's

1481
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: the fourth time and the champion Figuredo, who had like

1482
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: the most unlikely victory in this series of anybody, by

1483
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: the way that he won the third fight after you know,

1484
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: being thirty four, being a guy who we have no

1485
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: guarantee can make weight each time he tries out on

1486
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: the championship level and he was stopped by the guy

1487
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: the fight before. So that he comes back and wins,

1488
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean that fight, that win still holds up as

1489
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: being so gnarly.

1490
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: Now he gets to beat fight in front of his

1491
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: home fans.

1492
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like this, are we putting too much pressure

1493
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: on them to ask for another classic?

1494
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: No?

1495
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: I don't think they know any other way, right.

1496
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: The first I actually rewatched, the second and the third one.

1497
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: The second one to me was a classic. Third one,

1498
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: to me was very good. Yeah.

1499
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you think this because the

1500
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: second one was the most one sided of it.

1501
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: That's even in the sense that it was just it

1502
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: was really fun. It was really fun. The third one

1503
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: was great. Like, Okay, let's be clear. All three fights

1504
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: are great. One or two of them are maybe classics.

1505
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: The third one, to me is not a classic, but

1506
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: a very very Again, I want to be super clear,

1507
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: it's a great fight that classics a very high.

1508
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: Had some tactical elements to it rather than just The

1509
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: reason to me why.

1510
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: The third fight was not one is because of the

1511
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: adjustments that Figuredo had made. He basically decided to dial

1512
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: it back a little bit. He was going to wait

1513
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: for the blitzing of Moreno to counter it, to tie

1514
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: him up, to constantly disrupt his rhythm. He was going

1515
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: to keep it at range. The leg kicks were huge.

1516
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: His overhand right landed constantly, although I will say Moreno

1517
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: was able to land the left hook pretty consistently as well.

1518
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: They kind of rocked each other, but it was it

1519
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: was the decision by Figuredo to slow the fight down,

1520
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: keep it at range, land the leg kicks constantly move reset,

1521
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: just making a guy like Moreno either blitz or just

1522
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: get caught looking and force consistent resets. And it was brilliant.

1523
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: And remember, of course, who was in Figaredo's corner. It

1524
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: was Henry Shuto who had come up with this very

1525
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 2: very good game plan, super smart, like, don't get into

1526
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: these scrambles with this guy, don't waste energy. He's opened

1527
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: for this and he's open for that. Stick to that

1528
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: and just apply it for five ran captain, that's right,

1529
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: and he did it. It was very good. However, BC,

1530
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: the one thing I took away from that fight is

1531
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: one Figuredo just doesn't defend the left hook ever. Number

1532
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: one and number two. You remember Figaredo, Yeah, you remember

1533
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: you remember Figuredo landing the right hand on Mareno and

1534
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: knocking him off of his feet a couple of times,

1535
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: in fact, stealing the third round doing that. But it

1536
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: was also Morano's power on Figuredo that had him on

1537
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: chicken legs very often. Here's what I'm going to say

1538
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: to you BC, true or false. In order for Brandon

1539
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: Moreno to win this fight, based on what we saw

1540
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: in the third, he has to corner Figuredo, fight him

1541
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: inside boxing range, and use his faster hands, crisper combinations,

1542
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: and very good power to put this guy on on hiser.

1543
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he also has to make the right counter chess

1544
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: move here in reaction to what Figuredo did last fight,

1545
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: and that key the way you said it kind of

1546
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: became more of the of the counterpuncher and make him

1547
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: come to you. We still need aggressive Moreno, we still

1548
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: need the guy who goes for finishes and makes a

1549
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: fight happen, but we have to see the most mature

1550
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: version of him, you know what I mean.

1551
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: I mean.

1552
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: Look consequently, then when you watch it, when you rewrotch

1553
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: the second fight, what was ultimately the key for Marino

1554
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: in that one?

1555
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 2: Do you believe activity flurries, blitzes, uh? Moving through scrambles,

1556
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: finishing long combinations.

1557
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: Do you believe that was a because look what it's

1558
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: a gamble Figuretto. Every time he tries to make one

1559
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: twenty five the truor false, it is right, it's tough.

1560
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: Do you think he was compromised the most by that,

1561
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: potentially in that second fight or was that more of.

1562
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: I think he was compromised in the third fight. It's

1563
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: not that I don't think Marino has good power. I

1564
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: do think he's got good power, but the Figuredo looks

1565
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: fragile underneath it. And that's kind of crazy because you're like, well,

1566
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: he won the last one, but like, dude, I'm telling you,

1567
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: go back and watch. He gets his shit rattled several

1568
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: times and it doesn't last all that long. The difference

1569
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: between them was Moreno would get knocked off of his

1570
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: feet by the power Figuraedo and by the way, Figuredo

1571
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: has huge power for a flyweight.

1572
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: And then that stripe he puts in his series of

1573
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: fucking bet.

1574
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: It's crazy, it's crazy, and he would knock Marino down,

1575
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: but Moreno kind of get back up and then be

1576
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: okay right away. But it looked a lot for the judges.

1577
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: The opposite kind of happened for Figuedo. Moreno would hit

1578
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: him and he kind of would just absorb it and

1579
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: then get a little bit loose and like you'd be

1580
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: a little bit wobbly and almost look more vulnerable, but

1581
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: he would actually never get knocked down. It was kind

1582
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: of interesting how they how they absorbed the power differently.

1583
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 2: But that tells me that that way cut fucks with

1584
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: his ability to take damage.

1585
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: There's no denying it, absolutely, But at the same time,

1586
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: it's like, do you are you are you confident he

1587
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: can be the exact same fighter at one thirty five

1588
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: against those killers? No?

1589
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 3: No, no, he kind of needs to be the big bully.

1590
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: He'd be awesome at one thirty. He's awesome at one

1591
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: thirty weight class.

1592
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: There, Look, I do I hope obviously, we hope he

1593
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: makes it here and that this is less about anything

1594
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: like that, and it's more about who can make the

1595
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: adjustments and and and there's a lot at stake of

1596
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: what this rivalry can mean historically. I believe if they

1597
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: come out with not just not like what if this

1598
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: is this the best fighter there of their rivalry, Like

1599
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: if I asked you off the top of your head,

1600
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: And sometimes when I say what's the best rival it's

1601
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: not like always who had the best fight. Sometimes it's

1602
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: more of the I think DC and John the the

1603
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: the rivalry of it. What are the three best rivalries?

1604
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: And may history have the top of your.

1605
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: Head independent of weight class? Yeah, Jones, DC, let me

1606
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: think so that's one. You could argue Josh Thompson Gilbert

1607
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: Melendez good one for the quality of those fights. Absolutely,

1608
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: you could argue that one. You could argue how many

1609
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: times do they have to fight?

1610
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: At least two? Connor versus Nate?

1611
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: Con versus Nate? It's a great one. So it is

1612
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: Tito chuck back there. That's because dad was born in Australia.

1613
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: Rampage vander Lay was a great one.

1614
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean I could go back.

1615
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: I'm in Amanda versus Valunteer, Oh no, no.

1616
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: Shoot to box versus Brazilian top team had a shitload

1617
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: of them.

1618
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: Eventually be Rose versus Let me gett know. Hold on,

1619
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: I do that operation for a reason. If this fourth

1620
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: fight is pretty damn awesome and another one of those

1621
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: kind of fight of the ear contenders, can this crack

1622
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: the sort of you know, top three or four? But

1623
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: does this enter the conversation not just it also ran

1624
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: but truly enters the conversation of best rivalry and I

1625
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: guess at least UFC history.

1626
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing separating this rivalry from the other

1627
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: ones that I mentioned. These are all title fights, by

1628
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: the way, all title fights. But the amount of care

1629
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: that people have about the lightweight or the light heavyweight

1630
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: or welterweight title is just significant. Hardcore MMA fans can

1631
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: stunt online that they think flyweights and gracings and sliced bread.

1632
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: The vast majority of MMA fans disagree with you, just

1633
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: to be very clear about that, and that lowers the

1634
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: amount of stakes for how much people consider it. Yes,

1635
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, John and DC, those were not as good

1636
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: fights to me as these three have been. And even

1637
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: that was just two anyway versus the three.

1638
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

1639
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: But so as fights, they're tremendous, and I think with

1640
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: this fourth it will take on a very important historical significance.

1641
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: But the reality is people view, for example, Saint Pierre

1642
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: and cost Check maybe that that was still one sided,

1643
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: not in the end, but you know, maynar like that

1644
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: one carries more significance because the weight class carries more

1645
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 2: significant Ok.

1646
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: It's really there's just not the same romantic connections. Right,

1647
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Okay, but people ident Yeah you're right,

1648
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:25,799
Speaker 1: but but.

1649
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: But but I think if you're being fair and this

1650
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: fourth one is great, I don't think you have much

1651
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: of a choice but to put it in the list

1652
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: of the very, very best. Now, we do have a

1653
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: couple of clips. I're not going to get to all

1654
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: of them. We have a couple of clips here from

1655
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: Brandon Mareno speaking to our own Shaquille Majory of CBS Sports.

1656
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to get to Moreno, uh says,

1657
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: I should say, explains what actually went wrong in the

1658
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: trilogy fight where he lost. Let's hear what he has

1659
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: to say.

1660
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 5: The PRESSUREMN, the the media, you know, they all the

1661
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 5: my new response sabularies like what's hard, that's far's what's hard?

1662
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 5: I can't to you.

1663
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

1664
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 5: Maybe that put more noise around my head and put

1665
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 5: an extra pressure on my on myself. But man, I actually,

1666
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 5: I mean obviously I start that fight like so many times,

1667
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 5: and I was firing really good. Just I think baby

1668
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 5: so again made a really good things in the middle

1669
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 5: of the fight, and maybe I can't I can't. Did

1670
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 5: I like better things? Talking about myself in that fight.

1671
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 5: So that said, it wasn't a close fight. Even even

1672
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 5: with that, I thought, I thought I won the fight.

1673
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 5: But man, that that happened when you're going to a

1674
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 5: close fight going to the judges. Uh so, man, and

1675
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 5: so I tried to pass the page very quickly and

1676
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 5: and started to think and what is next for me?

1677
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 2: Got a little bit in front of the skis. The

1678
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 2: moment got to him here a little bit busy.

1679
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: He had and Anderson Silva like toy collection behind him,

1680
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: though he did the funk goes he was walking out there.

1681
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: He also mentioned on what he he's done to fix

1682
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 2: his issues.

1683
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 6: Let's hear this, something very similar happened with me when

1684
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 6: I fall in twenty seventeen. I remember it was my

1685
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 6: first main event for the company, and I followed in

1686
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 6: Mexico City and for all my people. I remember the

1687
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 6: responsibilities going to Dull fight like grow a lot and

1688
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 6: everything changed for me and maybe that maybe just a

1689
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 6: little a little bit going to dun fight and this

1690
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 6: time was the same. Uh but you know, I have

1691
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 6: they spread from the past, so that gave me more

1692
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 6: confidence to manage all the pressure and the new attention,

1693
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 6: all the new responsibilities. I mean definitely the dom health

1694
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 6: for sure is be very close with my family, be

1695
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 6: like very far from social media, don't read comments and

1696
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 6: that stuff.

1697
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 2: Man.

1698
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: I like when people are honest at this level, not

1699
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: just he's I don't think he's saying this to make

1700
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, to say these are the excuses of why

1701
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: I lost the third fight, but being honest and saying like, yeah,

1702
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: as champion, I got distracted. There's interviews, there's you know,

1703
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: glitz and glamoram star now, like that's a real thing, Luke.

1704
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: That's a real pressure in this game. So to see

1705
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: somebody uh own up to that, I think is interesting

1706
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: because it effects performance.

1707
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, this game.

1708
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: When you hear it said it in anything in life,

1709
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: but you certainly hear it say often from the people

1710
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: that are in the game about him and Mad's you know,

1711
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: ninety percent mental, Luke. I mean maybe in a lot

1712
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: of cases everything is, but uh, there's so much.

1713
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 2: Being a champion, Like the demands on a champion, especially

1714
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: on fight week, are so like just watching I've seen

1715
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 2: a couple of champions up close on fight week, dude.

1716
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: Even the day for example, the day was a Tuesday,

1717
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: I think the day I went up to Israel Ad

1718
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,839
Speaker 2: Sina's yeah mansion that he was renting out in New Jersey.

1719
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: Oh my god man, there were like other video crews

1720
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: setting up over here. He's got someone monitoring exactly what

1721
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: he's eating, of course, but like down to the minute

1722
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: where he has to be, who he has to talk to,

1723
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 2: People are handing him phones, handing him this. It's crazy

1724
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 2: how much a champion has to do on fight weekend.

1725
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: That was just Tuesday before even ramped up to all

1726
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: the other things. I understand that I've seen it. It's it's

1727
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: a beast.

1728
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the pressure almost killed GSP right like he

1729
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 3: walked bay from.

1730
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: Then't take it anymore. It was and that's GSP.

1731
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: So it's like, that's why I always say it, there's

1732
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: so many ways to lose in the sport, even compared

1733
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: to boxing. It's why, like from a betting standpoint, things

1734
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: are crazier in MMA, but there's so many It's anytime

1735
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 1: somebody puts on a title reign, that's five six, you know,

1736
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,480
Speaker 1: like anytime you get into that rare territory, dude, that's special.

1737
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: That is this is so hard to maintain, just on

1738
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: the mental journey of it just you know what I mean.

1739
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, you got to say injury free. But like

1740
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: all that pressure and demand, I give a lot of

1741
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: respect for that. So I think the odds are basically

1742
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: a push on this one right.

1743
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: Pretty close to exactly the main event. Devison Figurado plus

1744
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: one hundred, so he's technically the champ, is technically the underdog. However,

1745
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 2: Moreno just minus one t Would it be fair to.

1746
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: Say that the fighter with the most to gain in

1747
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 1: terms of potential improvements is Moreno. Yes, So even though

1748
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: the odds are pushed, I feel like Moreno should be

1749
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: favored here. I feel like this gives even though he's

1750
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: got to go on the road and enemy territory, Look,

1751
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: this is his opportunity to fix the wrong.

1752
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: And show us. If the answer to his problems is

1753
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: that he has to push the action, you know, the

1754
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 2: setups have to be better and different. But if his

1755
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: answer is basically pressuring a guy who wants to try

1756
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: to avoid the fight, that's a good adjustment to have

1757
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: to make. It's actually harder to go back the other way,

1758
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: where I have to stick and move, and I don't

1759
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: want to do that, you know, for figure it out

1760
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 2: to dial it down. I was actually quite difficult to

1761
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: manage all of course, twenty five minutes, so this is doable.

1762
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: This is Very's the key question about those adjustments. Here's

1763
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 2: the key question.

1764
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: How much are we asking of Safe Saoud, who has

1765
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: taken over the reins of the camp for Brandon Marina

1766
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: because of the James Cross situation. This is asking an

1767
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: interim champion going into the you know, quad historic quadrilogy,

1768
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: trying to regain his belt to make changes. He definitely

1769
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: needs to make changes after the third fight, but what

1770
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: are you expecting with a new famous coach, smart guy,

1771
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: But you've got to build time in chemistry and foundation.

1772
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's going to go. And you know,

1773
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: Safe Sued is probably the best choice given the circle.

1774
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a good choice no matter what, but

1775
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: especially given the circumstances. He's going to be locked on,

1776
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: He's going to have done his homework, he's going to

1777
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: give everything to that moment. He's got allowed in your face,

1778
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 2: very clear style. I know Safe is really big on

1779
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 2: game plans, sticking to the game plan, so they must

1780
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 2: have some idea of what's prepared, what the responsibilities are

1781
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: and he's going to try and do everything he can

1782
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: to like a dog on the Idita rod Race, to

1783
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: crack him, to motivate him to do exactly everything that

1784
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: he's supposed to be doing. The question is do they

1785
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: have the right tactical changes in the absence of James

1786
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 2: Krause who you know?

1787
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: Guess that makes a lot of sense on the odds

1788
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: to look from that standpoint. It really does with the

1789
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: questions and when both of the question has he hit

1790
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: a ceiling in terms of evolution? Who Moreno, that's the Reno.

1791
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Figure Rado.

1792
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: I do like he's young, but he's not super young,

1793
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: and he has been worse. How old did you have

1794
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: that brand? And Rena I can pull that up here

1795
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: and keep in mind that this is the smallest male

1796
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: weight class, so you know you age quicker and that.

1797
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: She's twenty nine. Ok, he's not even entered as full MMA.

1798
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 1: But Figurado's showing us that thirty five that it certainly

1799
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: can be done in this era to stay this this

1800
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: dangerous and this potentially dominant. But Dude, it's almost like

1801
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: I almost don't want to break this fight down, Luke,

1802
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: because I just want to enjoy it and be entertained

1803
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: because they've given us a lot. I respect both of

1804
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: these guys and what they've given. I like that the

1805
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: champion gets to fight in his backyard. But this is

1806
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: going to be interesting. It's gonna be a good night

1807
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: out at the fights. This should have been the main event, yes,

1808
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: or no, tru or false should have been.

1809
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean they do it by weight, so the heavier

1810
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 2: guys are going to go higher. But this is a

1811
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: better fight by at least on paper. It's a better fight.

1812
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: Now let's go to what they call the feature fight,

1813
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: which is neither the main nor the coman, but the

1814
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: one after Gilbert Burns taking on Neil Magnia. Though this

1815
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 2: one has the second or third most lopsided.

1816
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: Odds and not a damn person talking about it.

1817
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, of every fight on the car, Gilbert Burns a

1818
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: minus four to sixty to Neil Magnes's plus three seventy.

1819
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: Is that fair?

1820
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 3: I know Neil Magne is coming off a pretty big

1821
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 3: win here, right, I mean.

1822
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: Is that fair? I do think it's fair? Actually? Yeah,

1823
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,959
Speaker 2: I mean Gilbert burs say again.

1824
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: He beat d Rod who did Neil Magni in his

1825
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: last fight.

1826
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 2: Yes, he did he beat de Rod in his last

1827
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 2: fight and he is just much more accomplished he could

1828
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: actually No, she's been his last fight. He lost to TREMAIAV.

1829
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Gilbert, talking about Gilbert. No, he didn't

1830
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: beat de right, what are you talking about?

1831
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 3: Who did Neil Magne beat to get this fight?

1832
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: I thought it was oh Neil Magni, Yes, yes, yes, sorry.

1833
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: I know.

1834
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, look, I get matchup to matchup.

1835
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 3: Oh is it Jeff Neil?

1836
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 2: No, it's d Rod all right, de Row. What are

1837
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 2: you guys doing back there?

1838
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:27,919
Speaker 3: Well, he's from his dads from Australia.

1839
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: I mean to be fair, right, Yeah, what I'm trying

1840
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 2: to make here is the last fight he had was

1841
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 2: Hamza Tremaiev, which, by the way, you could argue that

1842
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 2: Burns won not in any way out of the roma possibility.

1843
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 2: Is not enough truthers on that on that to be fair,

1844
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: he clearly won the third round, and I think he

1845
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: won the or maybe he was with the second or

1846
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: the third round he won quite cleanly, but in any case,

1847
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 2: he lost out according to the judges, and he's back.

1848
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 2: He was looking for a fight against Jorgey Masvidol it

1849
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: didn't materialize, and so it brings us to this moment.

1850
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 2: Now you're asking about Neil Magne. Neil Magni currently sits,

1851
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: by the way, with the record of twenty seven and

1852
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: nine thirty five years of age, So he's getting up

1853
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 2: there a little bit Gilver's skill.

1854
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 3: Luke, you know who's the better fighter here?

1855
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 2: It's Gilbert A million minds.

1856
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: Why are the odds that wide when again, Magne is

1857
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 1: coming off a pretty good bess win there against Daniel Rodriguez.

1858
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 2: It's a good win. There were parts of the fight

1859
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: he was losing and then he fought Rockmanov and he

1860
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: got finished off in less than two Now, rock Monov

1861
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: is very special, but dude, on the ground, Dude, Neil

1862
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 2: Magne is not bad on the ground. He's good on

1863
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,839
Speaker 2: the ground. Gilbert Burns is really good on the ground.

1864
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: World champion, quite literally, a world champion at the black

1865
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: belt level in jiu jitsu. He is just a completely

1866
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: different level than that. I think that's a problem. But

1867
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 2: beyond that, Gilbert Burns, he did take some punishment in

1868
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: his last fight, but I don't think he's taking.

1869
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: A ton overall.

1870
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 2: He always comes in excellent shape. We sat down with him,

1871
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: all the mental coach he has. His striking has gotten better,

1872
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 2: his ground and pound is good, his wrestling is better.

1873
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: He has seen and fought and defeated better opposition than

1874
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 2: the illactan.

1875
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 3: And he's more than willing to go there with you.

1876
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 2: And he'll go to the deepest And by the way,

1877
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 2: only a three round fight. It's not a five round fight.

1878
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: That should be very easy for a guy like Gilbert Burns.

1879
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 2: So to me, man like, I wouldn't be super surprised

1880
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: maybe if Neil won, but this is a fight that

1881
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: it's best. I can tell that he took to stay active,

1882
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: correct and he should win this one. He should win

1883
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: this one. I mean, I'm giving our picks away.

1884
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: Hey, are we asking too much a glover at forty

1885
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: three to win this fight?

1886
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: No? If he had looked like assd in his last fight,

1887
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: I would have said yes. But he look he made

1888
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: some questionable calls to fight out a certain kind of fight,

1889
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 2: but he looked fine.

1890
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't fear because when a guy gets to a

1891
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: certain level, and at forty three, he's at that level

1892
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: where overnight you can get really overnight, it can go.

1893
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 3: Look it really can't. Yes, Okay, there are other factors

1894
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 3: in the fight game.

1895
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: Yes, So sometimes you look back at a veteran's run

1896
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: before it went and they have that one fight where

1897
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: they poured out the jug, right, they poured out everything

1898
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: that was left.

1899
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 2: Yes, he didn't.

1900
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: He only got subbed in the fifth round because he

1901
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: literally poured out everything that was left. That's the only

1902
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: way you're going to sub Gilbert or not. Gilbert's the

1903
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: only way you're gonna subg Glover in a fight like that. Yes,

1904
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: and it happened. Should we be like a little bit

1905
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: more fearful and into this that like maybe that was

1906
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: the case.

1907
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 2: That he has that there's too many miles on him

1908
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: at this.

1909
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: Point, that he that that there's a you know, there's

1910
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: that potential that we'll look back and say, Okay, he

1911
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 1: got old overnight in that fight because he used everything

1912
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: deep inside.

1913
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, I also could be here's the problem,

1914
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: Like the answer could be no, but because Jamal Hill

1915
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 2: has such fast hands and he's powerful, he could knock

1916
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 2: him out, in which case, at that point, the previous

1917
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: fight plus this one together could combine to then really

1918
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: put him over the top in terms of being old.

1919
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: So there are ways where he could. He could certainly

1920
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: look that way. But all right, moving down the card,

1921
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: we see another great fight. This one's amazing. Just gone

1922
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 2: drag is gonna take on Lauren Murphy. This will be

1923
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: a flywaight fight. Now here's the funny part about that.

1924
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 2: So the uh Andrage started her UFC career, I believe

1925
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: at bantamweight. Then she moves down to strawweight. I think

1926
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: that's right, or maybe she was at flyweight. I can't remember. No,

1927
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 2: I think she was a band It was no flywaight.

1928
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 2: She went from bantam wait down the strawwaight. It came

1929
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: the chance, and then she moved to flyweight against Kayla

1930
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: Shuke again, which she won. She she lost the flyweight

1931
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 2: fight against Chefchenko. Then she fought Cnphy Calvijo after that,

1932
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: and then returned to strawweight against Amanda Laimos. Now she's

1933
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: back at fall.

1934
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: It's been weird because the lamost one gave you the

1935
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: feeling like, Okay, she's going to go and make another

1936
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: run at strawway. And I think even though that division

1937
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: is obviously always deep and I love it, there there

1938
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: was a potential path, especially as a former champion, to

1939
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: get back to that point, how about a trilogy with Rose?

1940
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there were potential possibilities down that line, but uh,

1941
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: now she's going back to strawwaight, So Luke Strawaight's got

1942
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: more I'm sorry, now back to flywaight. Flyweight's got more

1943
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: contenders now than you know we could say six months

1944
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: ago or a year ago. I mean, Tatiana Suarez is back,

1945
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: like business is picking up. When you fight Lauren Murphy,

1946
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: who is also coming off a very good win at

1947
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: age thirty nine when she beat me, she tate a

1948
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: win like this puts you right back into that conversation.

1949
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: But now that it's it's a crowded house, there is

1950
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: this actually the potential quickest path to a title for

1951
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: andrage like like, how do you justify this decision to

1952
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: take this fight because it was the best one offered

1953
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: to her?

1954
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 2: Or what? Yeah, the question is always what was offered

1955
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 2: to her and who said no? Right? It could be

1956
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: that a lot of people at Straway were like, yeah,

1957
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 2: fuck no, we're not taking those fights, and so she

1958
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 2: didn't have much of a choice and she had to

1959
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 2: do what she had to do. So if you look

1960
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: at the rankings, let me see here Andrage sits at

1961
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: fourth in the rankings at strawweight. At flyweight she sits

1962
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: at six, So you might say, and she beat Lemo.

1963
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 2: She was sitting at third, by the way. Yeah, so

1964
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 2: the only name is in front of her are Rose,

1965
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: and then Carla and then Jeng Wilie. It might be

1966
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 2: the case that the UFC was like, we're just not

1967
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: interested in pushing you back in another set of fights

1968
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: that you've already had before. I mean, I guess she

1969
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 2: could fight.

1970
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: Gyuess they're done with putting rows in a trilogy because

1971
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of trilogies you can make.

1972
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: With Yeah, so I guess they decided even though you

1973
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: already fought Valentino once and lost. Maybe if you beat

1974
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 2: Lauren Murphy, we can there's who's above her, Alexa Grasso,

1975
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: Kitlich King and who she already fought, Tyler Santos. I

1976
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 2: guess you could do that, and then men now and Fiorro.

1977
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: Field's coming on. Yeah, so there's a few.

1978
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 2: More fresh matchups at one twenty five. I'm guessing at

1979
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 2: one fifteen, either UFC or the other competitors like ya,

1980
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 2: I know, we're.

1981
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 3: Not that's interesting because this is not an easy fight.

1982
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Lauren Murphy is still even at thirty nine,

1983
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: that top of the line one you've got to beat

1984
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: because she can control, you know. She she's chill compete.

1985
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: She can't control and win close fights. She's got that

1986
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: skill toward Luke. She plays the margins well.

1987
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: She's one of the most underrated fighters on the UFC roster,

1988
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 2: independent of gender aweight class. It's insane how underrated she is.

1989
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: And that's that's actually why the performances Valentina was so

1990
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: disappointing and kind of looks so naive, you know what

1991
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, because that was such an uphill climb.

1992
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 3: But short of that level. Although people have closed.

1993
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: The gap on Valentina, Tylo Santo showed us that short

1994
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: of that level though, Dude, Lauren Murphy's tough and she

1995
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: just you know, beat me shit, taking away.

1996
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 2: Then shut down all over the weight class. She's a

1997
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: good jab she's she's seen it all. She has been.

1998
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: She went four rounds with chef Chenko, She's come back

1999
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: from defeat. She's put long wind streaks together. She's athletic,

2000
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 2: she's from Alaska. She is certainly older at thirty nine,

2001
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: that is an older fighter. That's just the way that

2002
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 2: it goes. But I would say, for she's about as

2003
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: young as you can be being thirty nine, if that

2004
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 2: makes sense, which you still have to acknowledge. Thirty nine

2005
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,480
Speaker 2: is not going to be as greate as twenty five athletically,

2006
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: but four thirty nine she is not quite in the

2007
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 2: same state that you might imagine someone else would be

2008
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: thirty nine and you sort of be decrepit. She's pretty

2009
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 2: far from that. So I actually feel like, what are

2010
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 2: the odds on this one? So the odds are, according

2011
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: to our friends here at Caesar's plus three eighty for

2012
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 2: Lauren Murphy, just gone Dorodge minus four seventy five.

2013
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: Wow, I understand that.

2014
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: I understand that because Lauren Murphy is very strong, but

2015
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: so has just Gone Roge. I would say, just gone

2016
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: Rodge probably has better one punch power then lay vision.

2017
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,520
Speaker 3: Do you think she's better at androge?

2018
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: Just you know, she was a good fighter at bantam

2019
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: way too, So what division do you think is the

2020
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: best of her? Is it? Is it? Strow it? She's

2021
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: so physically strong strong folks.

2022
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 2: Forget dude, she was throwing people around at bantamweight. Like

2023
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,759
Speaker 2: I that's a great question. Is she better one fifteen

2024
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 2: or one twenty five. The record would show probably one

2025
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 2: fifth teen to this point, but maybe this effort is

2026
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 2: to see whether or not that's actually true. I mean

2027
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: nobody on twenty five for her.

2028
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: Right, I mean nobody just dominated Chukajen and she went

2029
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: in there and punched a hole in her stomach and

2030
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: got that win. But she was also so dominated by

2031
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Valentina on the flip side of that for the title,

2032
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: I mean putting a crucifix and beaten right with elbows.

2033
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 3: I mean like that was nasty. Uh.

2034
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: And you know that was back when Chefchenko would look

2035
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: at you know, what's the one skill you bring to

2036
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: the table, I'll beat you at that. She was just

2037
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: kind of having fun out there. But that's why, dude,

2038
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: I need Valentina. It'll come back soon because I want

2039
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: to see if the gap has closed, Like is this

2040
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: John Jones at the end of his two fires get

2041
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: up always closes it? Does it? Always closed? Always closed?

2042
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: And you always say no one. There's who has the

2043
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: most tape in this division, it's Valentina. She fights, you know,

2044
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: three every three months on the dott It feels like

2045
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: always long.

2046
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: They always go along. So there's a ton of tape

2047
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 2: on her again. I would really love for Lord and

2048
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 2: Murphy to win, because she's the kind of fighter who

2049
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,520
Speaker 2: you know is probably never going to be the promoter's

2050
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 2: favored uh but just by hook or by crook, by

2051
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: sheer force of will, and of course she is a

2052
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 2: good athlete. She can do pretty impressive things. B see,

2053
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 2: this will be a fun one to open the car.

2054
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 2: Paul Craig at plus one sixty taking on Johnny Walker

2055
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: at minus one ninety. I saw a tweet from Jack

2056
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 2: Slack that I thought was really funny. He goes, just

2057
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: remember Johnny Walker left Brazil to move to Dublin to

2058
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 2: actually get better at MMA, which is crazy when you

2059
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: think about it, but it is kind of what he

2060
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: is at least attempting to do. B see. We kind

2061
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: of know the score with Paul Craig, right, whether it's

2062
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 2: going to be a submission on the ground or he's

2063
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: gonna get washed, or he.

2064
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 3: May it nearly washed and then he'll pull out.

2065
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: The sea, yes, right exactly. He will accept damage on

2066
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 2: the ground to open you up. He like literally will

2067
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: take a punch.

2068
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: I love this fight. I love the contrast and style.

2069
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: I love the stakes for both fighters. You know, Craig.

2070
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: Craig is coming off a loss, correct, let me double check,

2071
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: and Johnny Walker, who had that losing streak, is now

2072
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: coming off a big win in which you got a

2073
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: submission win. And finally Johnny Walker finally looked like with

2074
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: John Kevinaugh that they're figuring it out and he's turning

2075
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: the corner last fight maybe to a certain degree.

2076
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul Craig is most recently, I should say, coming

2077
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 2: off of the lost of ken Uzdamir right by.

2078
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: And that was that was disappointing because I thought that

2079
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: was the fight where he was going to really show

2080
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: that he's a true title contender because he had put

2081
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: together a wind streak. But that wind streak had been

2082
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to stay compromised by the by the

2083
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 1: damage he seemed to take in each one, but it

2084
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: became a recurring theme. But you know, he comes back

2085
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: here with a win over a name like Walker, Luca.

2086
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: Either way, either way they're gonna get a big boost

2087
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: from this. But how they intersect right now, which one's

2088
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: really coming and which one's really going or does that

2089
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: not matter if this fight goes to the ground. For

2090
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: all the improvements Johnny Walker may have made by making

2091
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: his ground game at least there.

2092
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 2: Excuse me?

2093
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: Is the oven ready?

2094
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I guess so let me turn this down.

2095
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: Sorry my sound for all those changes, you don't want

2096
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,919
Speaker 1: to be on the ground against Paul Craig in any form.

2097
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 2: Luke, No, you certainly do not, so accurrently in the rankings,

2098
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: for whatever that is worth to some folks here, let

2099
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 2: me pull them up in the rankings as it stands today. God,

2100
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: these things are all over the place. What the fuck

2101
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 2: is going on? Uh? Okay, So, as it stands today,

2102
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: Jamal Hill is sitting at seven, Glover at two. Who's

2103
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: fighting for the title. That's crazy. Paul Craig is sitting

2104
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: at nine, and Johnny Walker sitting at twelve. So for

2105
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker it's a shot into the top ten again.

2106
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: I think he was there previously and then nearly out

2107
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 2: of the whole show, but now he's back. For Paul Craig,

2108
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 2: you know, he would drop out of the top ten,

2109
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: but he would still be in the top fifteen. It's

2110
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 2: it's not a majorly consequential about either way in that

2111
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 2: sense for the division anyway.

2112
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: But let's let's be fair here, Johnny Walker to me,

2113
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: like Michelle Padeda, I like the fighters that I call him,

2114
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: like recovering. I don't know what the word would be,

2115
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: punch of hollos, Lukee people that just love to get

2116
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: into chaos, right, And it's not always the necro price,

2117
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: it's not always the best idea for them to do it.

2118
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 1: But as much as they're trying to change, inevitably they

2119
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: get lured in. As much as we don't want to

2120
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: see Paul Craig continue to welcome the thunder of big

2121
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: time strikes in order to set up his submissions, isn't

2122
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: that an interesting game plan though? Lured Johnny Walker into

2123
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: one of these high flying circus things and then just

2124
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: try to try to reverse that into a submission and

2125
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: try to get them to the ground.

2126
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: It'll be as fun for as long as it lasts.

2127
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: But is that actually if you were, if that's Paul

2128
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:08,560
Speaker 1: Craig's direction.

2129
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 2: I think that's likely what is to happen. Whether or

2130
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: not that's a good idea remains very much to be saying.

2131
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 2: He'll end up there no matter what is what you're saying, Yeah,

2132
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 2: I mean it's it is like you're just asking, like

2133
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: just think about it. If you're punching someone on the feet, right,

2134
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: you're boxing, what's one of the best times to land

2135
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 2: a punch is when they throw you slip and then

2136
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: you go. But the whole point is that they are

2137
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: open because they have extended, right. They are extended here,

2138
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 2: so that now I am even if the shoulders up,

2139
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 2: I can still be here on the top of the

2140
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: head or whatever. That's the whole idea. It's the same

2141
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 2: with grappling. You want to get them because everyone grappling

2142
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: is going to be here. Right, your elbows are going

2143
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: to be retracted to your ribs. You want to get

2144
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: them open. Once it everything becomes open. That's when the

2145
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 2: submissions can happen. When the limbs get separated from the body.

2146
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 2: That's what you're looking for on the mat. You want

2147
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: their elbows separated from their body. The more the elbows

2148
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 2: are separate from the body, the more you can isolate

2149
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 2: a limb and or take the back or everything else

2150
01:28:58,520 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: you want to do. So just think about it. Logic,

2151
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 2: if you're punching, your elbow is separated from your rip,

2152
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: so he just invites that ship to then lock up

2153
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 2: a submission. But that's a real fucking heavy tax. You

2154
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: gotta pay to get it done.

2155
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: You know you think Johnny Walker uses his physicality enough

2156
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,879
Speaker 1: in certain in the Clean.

2157
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: To gyrate and cavort on his way to the cage.

2158
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: At the prep point, he shakes that package.

2159
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: Lukey, I know it's like, please fucking stop. I mean,

2160
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: you know, if I want to go to an.

2161
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 3: All male review, You're like, I have options if I

2162
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 3: wanted to do right.

2163
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: It's like I've seen the ads for thunder Down under Ive.

2164
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 2: You know, I'll let you know if I ever been interested.

2165
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: All right, BC, fucking A. Can we put this guy's

2166
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: career to bed? It's a legendary one.

2167
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, that's harsh as shit.

2168
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 2: Right, well, he just should have retired fifteen years ago.

2169
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 2: I mean, what the fuck are we doing? Showgun? Who?

2170
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: Who?

2171
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 3: I mean, let me just say this, like what's his future?

2172
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Right? Like? He must have and I'm just being honest.

2173
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 2: He's probably we can't have a conversation about how much

2174
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 2: brain trauma is.

2175
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: Again, you can we can?

2176
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: He probably has outrageous amounts of.

2177
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 1: Every from Pride. I went back and watched Pride fights Luca.

2178
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 2: Recently, fucking brutal bro.

2179
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: There are the cowboys of the wild West have showed

2180
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: up and there are no rules.

2181
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 2: Dude, like Japanese and the Aughts didn't give Oh fuck.

2182
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: I mean it is just you're right. Okay, so you're

2183
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: actually right, But holy shit, what a legend twenty one

2184
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: year pro career. I mean, like his run, the fact

2185
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 1: that he's not that far removed from like a four

2186
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: fight winning streak in this division, you know what I mean, Like,

2187
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. And in all of those fights he

2188
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: was completely relying on his chin to stay in it.

2189
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 2: Jesus, he's forty one. I mean, if there was any

2190
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 2: guy I would have thought would have never made it

2191
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,679
Speaker 2: to forty and still actively be fighting, it'd be showing.

2192
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, when we talk about these great cowboys, and

2193
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot of them are from Brazil, vonder Ley Slova,

2194
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: No big nog, dude, big nogs chin.

2195
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 3: It's just fucking ridiculous.

2196
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: But like this has to show you how great Showgun's

2197
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: chin actually is. That he had a whole twilight that

2198
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: wasn't like two or three fights when he was old.

2199
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was like a decade. His twilight's been

2200
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 1: like a decade. Luke. Yeah, and even within that twilight.

2201
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 1: He's got a winning record and he's got like some

2202
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: actual impressive wins, and it's just like, but in all

2203
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: of those fights, he has taken a shit ton of

2204
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: damage to get to that point. I'm happy he gets

2205
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: to go out in Brazil in the featured you know,

2206
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: prelimb bout on what ESPN, regular.

2207
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 2: U, ABC, ABC.

2208
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 3: That's not bad, you know, I want to see him

2209
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 3: go out Luke on and but damn.

2210
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: Dude, the dude.

2211
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 2: I just want to point out when he made his

2212
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 2: UFC debut against Forest Griffin in two thousand and seven,

2213
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 2: he kind of looked like shit and the and I

2214
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 2: also Forrest had a great night, like Force won that

2215
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: won fair and square, like they rematched and Forrest lost.

2216
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 2: But you get the idea. I remember after that fight,

2217
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 2: people were saying Showgun was washed. Okay, that was almost

2218
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 2: sixteen years ago, almost sixteen years the.

2219
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Worst title beating, sustained title beating I think I've ever

2220
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 1: seen against John Jones.

2221
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 2: That was a bad one.

2222
01:31:58,520 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like he you know, he was about he

2223
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: was willing to go out on his sword, and he did,

2224
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: but like.

2225
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 2: How about the how about the fucking after? Okay, so

2226
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 2: he fights for John Jones, and he rematched Forrest and

2227
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 2: blew him out inside of a round. Then he had

2228
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 2: the fucking Dan Hendo fight, which to this day one

2229
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 2: of the best brawls at MMA history. Like you put

2230
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: that one with the u cyborg Santos versus moment Manho fight,

2231
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 2: you can pick Griffin Bonder one like the all of

2232
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 2: the best brawls. That one's on the list.

2233
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,799
Speaker 1: Joanna huh way Lever.

2234
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 2: It's another one, but that's less a brawl. I was

2235
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 2: just a really good fight. So I'm talking like an

2236
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 2: all out fucking action. These two are like taking years

2237
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 2: off their life. So here's probablynna happen. He'srobably gonna lose

2238
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,719
Speaker 2: this fight because the MMA gods are cruel. He's gonna

2239
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 2: run for office because that's what they do now.

2240
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 3: By the way, if he does win this fight, he's

2241
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 3: probably not gonna retire.

2242
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know. I really hope he retired, Like

2243
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 2: he may just fuck around and show up in the

2244
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 2: PFL light heavyweight. So he's gonna box some like fat

2245
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: soccer player from Brazil, like and somehow. I mean, I

2246
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 2: just don't even know that he's gonna run for office

2247
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 2: and then lose and then you know all kinds of show.

2248
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: Do you think he'll harbor a politician on the.

2249
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 2: Run in his seven hundred and fifty k mansion in Orlando?

2250
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 2: He might might.

2251
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: People say, we don't know shit about floor to real estate.

2252
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I know I clearly don't.

2253
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Mikey was feeding us some information that people

2254
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: have heavily debunked that.

2255
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 2: Oh is that right?

2256
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: In Orlando you can get stuff for under one hundred

2257
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, maybe, like for closed properties that you want

2258
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: to flip.

2259
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but not like, no, this house is ready

2260
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: to have a family of three.

2261
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, here buy it for sixty seven thousand, and

2262
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: this is nineteen eighty three.

2263
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 2: I know. My dad's always like I put myself through

2264
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 2: college by working in the summers. I'm like, well, Dad,

2265
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 2: that require you to make about forty thousand in the

2266
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 2: summers these days, so that doesn't really work. But in

2267
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 2: any case, your dad's awesome. He is a salty dog

2268
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 2: bro Okay. So he has the war with Dan Henderson.

2269
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 2: Then he beats Brandon Vera on Fox. Then he loses

2270
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 2: to Gustafson, loses to Chill on the very first event

2271
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,839
Speaker 2: that was on FS one, comes back and beats James Tuna,

2272
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 2: fights Dan Hando a second time, loses Viako, fights Ovin

2273
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 2: Saint Prux, loses Viako. That one was bad too, right, right,

2274
01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 2: But then he goes into a three fight win streak.

2275
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 2: He beats little n Corey Anderson, who split decisions him.

2276
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 2: Then he just you know, punches the lights out of

2277
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 2: Jean Valante, loses to Anthony Smith. That was a really

2278
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 2: bad one.

2279
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: He got viciously ko do no, he he got viciously

2280
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: hurt in all of the wins too, dude, telling you.

2281
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 2: That he beat Tyson Pedro. He had the decision against

2282
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 2: Paul Craig. Then he beats again via split Antonio a

2283
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: little bit, no decision, yeah, Then he taps to strikes

2284
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 2: against Paul Craig, and then he got split decisions again

2285
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 2: by Ovin Saint Prux, which brings us to Ehorrer Potieria

2286
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 2: and just make it stop, please, But the love of

2287
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: fucking I'm just saying this right now. This fight should

2288
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 2: not be happening. I just I don't think it should

2289
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 2: be happening.

2290
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: Is Igor or someone there there that they're big on,

2291
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 1: that they're.

2292
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 2: Building or so he had a nice win on the

2293
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 2: Contender Series, and then he fought Nikolai and Nigga Moranu

2294
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 2: and he got his lights punched out.

2295
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 3: So I didn't know if he was like the European

2296
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 3: Chris Mautino bringing here.

2297
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, He's better than that. I mean,

2298
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 2: he wanted the Contender Series like he wasn't like a

2299
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 2: last min of guy they just brought in. I think

2300
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 2: they had certainly higher hopes for him than his debut went.

2301
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 2: But I'll say this, like Shogun's career, if you've never

2302
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:00,600
Speaker 2: you know, if you're new to m or whatever. His

2303
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 2: run through the two thousand and five Pride Middleweight Grand

2304
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 2: Prix again Pride in Middleweight. That was their two o

2305
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 2: five division, essentially they called it middleweight. It's one of

2306
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: the most it's probably the best tournament run in anime history.

2307
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Almost with almost that exceptions, Pride felt like I just

2308
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 1: forgot what.

2309
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 2: He bulldozed everyone in the most dramatic dude. The way

2310
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,600
Speaker 2: in which he dispatched with rampage was remarkable, but that

2311
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 2: was truly BC. You know we're talking when did hit

2312
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 2: he make his pro debut and two two thousand and two,

2313
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,799
Speaker 2: So I mean he made his pro debut in uh,

2314
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 2: basically November of two thousand and two, after I graduated

2315
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 2: college BC. He's still fighting. Look at me, like, that's

2316
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, Like this is fucking nuts.

2317
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, look at him, dude, I mean, to be fair,

2318
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: he's he's looked and he looks like usually since he

2319
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: was like twenty nine, he used to be handsome.

2320
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 2: And you know, his face looks like a bit like

2321
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 2: a catcher's mid these days. I mean, it's just a

2322
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 2: ninja these days. He retired a long time ago. He

2323
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 2: retired a long time ago. Ninja was good for a time.

2324
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 2: He was never as good as his brother, but there

2325
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: was a time when they were competing.

2326
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 1: Strike Force was like open season for brothers of famous people, right,

2327
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: Alexander Emiliananko was always showing.

2328
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 2: Up in those fights too, and where Strikeforce? I don't

2329
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 2: think Alexander Millionko ever fought in Strikeforce. I'm you better

2330
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 2: check yourself, Okay, let's look that up. Did Alexander Emilionanco

2331
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,919
Speaker 2: ever fight in Strikeforce? I am pretty sure the amens

2332
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 2: of needles here. Who wins this debate? Luke, I don't know.

2333
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,959
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm right, but I you know

2334
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: all right, First of all, he's got HEP C or

2335
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: HEP B whatever.

2336
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 2: Which one you got. Yeah, uh, he fought in Pride

2337
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 2: a few times, obviously we know about that. Then he

2338
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 2: fought in M one. No, he has never fought in Strikeforce.

2339
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 2: You're out of your fucking mind. Yeah, he fought in

2340
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,520
Speaker 2: Pride in a bunch of other places, but that's it.

2341
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 2: It was good for a time anyway.

2342
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 1: You're saying he's like Frank stallone.

2343
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Frank stallone plus communicable disease plus prison time. I think

2344
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: he did time for maybe even rape in Oh yeah,

2345
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 2: he's a terrible He's a terrible.

2346
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,879
Speaker 1: Brett Rodgers had a fall too, Luke, that's.

2347
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 2: A sadder one.

2348
01:36:58,439 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: That's a pretty sad.

2349
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 2: That's a sad one. I was looking up his social

2350
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 2: media accounts he'd stopp posting around twenty sixteen. It was

2351
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 2: looking for like bullshit fights for whatever he can get him.

2352
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,839
Speaker 2: And then he was arrested for like I think, exposing

2353
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: himself in like a.

2354
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 1: Live times a couple of separate, separate incidents.

2355
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, well at this is the five game

2356
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 2: takes care of its people, right, b bompp bomp. I

2357
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 2: just want that fight to be over because I need

2358
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 2: him to retire because he's probably this is it is

2359
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: impossible to justify this about on any kind of like

2360
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 2: it's fined by medical standards. It's a disaster by medical standards.

2361
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 2: But he's had a decorated career at God bless him.

2362
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 2: You see very quickly RoboCop was supposed to fight Brad

2363
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: Tavares that fell through. He's going to fight Bruno Fajeda,

2364
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 2: who came off of a nice win from the Contender series,

2365
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 2: which stands a lot of big power lunges into range,

2366
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 2: so that one probably is going to be a bit

2367
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,719
Speaker 2: of a banger for as long as it lasts. Also

2368
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 2: in this car, Tiago moistaes text on mel Keiseiel Costa

2369
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 2: and I don't pronounce the name the bomb Fime brothers

2370
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 2: who both were on Contender series. They're making their UFC

2371
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: debut on this car. That's Gabrielle bomb Theme taking on

2372
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:01,520
Speaker 2: the Neir Lazez as well as his brother who is

2373
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 2: is Ishmael Bonfime taking on Terence McKinney. He is back.

2374
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: I like that fight.

2375
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 2: He fights balls out like he's raised shot out of

2376
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: a cannon. From the word go there.

2377
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of interesting fights.

2378
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 2: Also, Jelton Almeta is going to go up to heavyweight

2379
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: and take on Shamil after Rocky Mobs. On this card,

2380
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 2: there's a ton of good fights of Varley Alvis takes

2381
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 2: on Nicholas Dolby.

2382
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,879
Speaker 1: There's Mikey says he was misquoted about the Orlando property

2383
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 1: prices three hundred k.

2384
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 2: Three hundred k. Okay, maybe again, I don't I don't

2385
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 2: know Florida real estate, so but yeah.

2386
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 3: Mike, he always has receipts for me.

2387
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 2: His receipts, though, are like half right?

2388
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: Have you known that Mike's half Mikey's my guy?

2389
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 2: All right? With that in mind, BC, let's go on

2390
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 2: too topic number three, which is also your very favorite topic.

2391
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 2: Because nope, not yet, because very quickly we can just

2392
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 2: we don't have to spend a whole lot of time

2393
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 2: on this. But yesterday Oscar de la Hoya tweeted looked

2394
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 2: like everything is all systems go. April fifteenth, Gervante Davis

2395
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,759
Speaker 2: taking on Ryan Garcia. Now, I don't think the final

2396
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 2: doubt agreements have been signed, but BC, let's see if

2397
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 2: we can get a look at this tweet or this whatever. Yeah,

2398
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 2: we go.

2399
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: Look at how happy they are first of all, which

2400
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: is good and boy is out of contrast to the

2401
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: tweets that that Oscar had been putting out in the

2402
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: previous days where he was trying to like threaten because

2403
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: there was no signed deal for it to fall apart.

2404
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: And then Steven Espinoza did an interview with Marcos Vias,

2405
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: the journalist. It's a vis Viegas the journalist, and he

2406
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 1: was like, look, that's normal practice when the you know,

2407
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 1: final fight agreement doesn't get signed until the week of

2408
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: the fight, but all the important stuff has already been

2409
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 1: signed in agreed to. Well, whatever extra steps hadn't been

2410
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 1: done seemed to be done here from the Ryan Garcia standpoints,

2411
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: So I said before Oscar posted this on my live chat,

2412
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Oscar doesn't have the control here,

2413
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 1: right because Ryan Garcia pushed back against Golden Boy into

2414
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 1: his own and was like, no, I need this fight

2415
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: for my legacy. I need it now under whatever terms

2416
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: that you know that it can happen even on showtime.

2417
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 2: Pay per view, Let's do it. So there we are.

2418
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: But it's good to see, Luke that all systems seemed

2419
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: to be a go, well.

2420
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 2: How are you going to explain to your family that

2421
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 2: you have to attend be on vacation, because.

2422
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: You know, when when when you know that that that's

2423
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: the perils of our game. When when you want when

2424
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 1: you're trying to book that family, do you always book

2425
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: it like two days before. I don't know how you

2426
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: live your life, Luke.

2427
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Uh well, I talked, So I looked up the calendar

2428
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 2: for it, because now I have to book vacations on

2429
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 2: my kids school calendar right that.

2430
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm in that right now.

2431
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 2: So her spring break is the week after the fight.

2432
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so my kids spring break is that week. And

2433
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: of course you know we booked this vacage six nine

2434
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: months maybe a year ago. But uh yeah, stop doing that. Yeah,

2435
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta stop. You can't win no matter

2436
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 1: when you put that date out and you're you're hoping,

2437
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: you're it's like it's like watching the Plinko Chip go

2438
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, no going that.

2439
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 2: I just lucked out too. It just worked out for

2440
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 2: my I told my wife about it last night, and so.

2441
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: She was, Okay, we know that, we know we talked

2442
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,560
Speaker 1: so much about this fight Tank versus Ryan.

2443
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 2: But I don't have anything else to add to this about.

2444
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: About you know, we've we've talked about it a lot,

2445
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,839
Speaker 1: and it's common, Luke, and it's big. And what element

2446
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 1: of the fight and it doesn't even have to be

2447
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: what happens in the ring? What part of this fight?

2448
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Do you think she and your personal fandom gets you

2449
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: the most excited? When I say Tank versus Ryan probably

2450
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 1: gonna happen April fifteenth. Look at that picture of those

2451
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 1: two handsome men signing that contract, like what what?

2452
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 2: What are you antisous to see what gives first? Tank's

2453
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 2: power or Ryan's. Ryan has power, but more so is speed. Yeah,

2454
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 2: I just want to see what gives first. That's it.

2455
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,759
Speaker 1: I think there are going to be moments of drama

2456
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: in this fight, moments of gun slinging, both with the

2457
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: with the you know, both with the respective fist up,

2458
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: both getting close, both taking chances, punching with each other.

2459
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna see a duel hair and it's

2460
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: a it's gonna be wild, man, It's gonna be wild.

2461
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how big. It's gonna be big, But

2462
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how big. I want to see, you know,

2463
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 1: I want the full red carpet roll that I want

2464
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: the full media tour. I want to see this fight

2465
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: because it is rare to get the two guys in

2466
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: their twenties from opposite sides of the road who are

2467
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: both unbeaten, and one of them is in Ryan Garcia,

2468
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: really not proven on that super elite level yet and

2469
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, dude, I gotta say take At

2470
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: the same time, I was even more proven. Tank kind

2471
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 1: of needs a fight like this too, to shut up

2472
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 1: his critics or to just finally prove in the ring

2473
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 1: to anyone else who has doubts.

2474
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not with you that Tank is takes not

2475
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 2: all my pound for pund list. I think he has

2476
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 2: to buy fight better competition to get on that. Everyone's

2477
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 2: gonna have their own list, obviously, but this would be

2478
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:23,879
Speaker 2: a nice, great start. April fifteenth in Vegas. Not official official,

2479
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 2: but looks like I mean, I gotta say, except for

2480
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 2: his court case coming up next month, I don't know

2481
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 2: what would get in the way of it at this point, right, we.

2482
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Have to I mean, that's legit, there's something big, there's

2483
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 1: a there's a hill they have to climb and figure out.

2484
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's do it, all right, So we need

2485
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: a big year, Luke, We need a big year. There's

2486
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot of major fights that are coming, we just

2487
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: don't know if and when.

2488
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 2: It's also like a good boxing main event. It's just

2489
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 2: nothing quite like it, you know. And I'm just all

2490
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 2: boxing can't get out of its own way. Folks just

2491
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: never seem to connect the dots that the sport is

2492
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 2: made less fan friendly. And I know this is gonna

2493
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,719
Speaker 2: sound crazy because relative to MMA, the architecture is more ethical.

2494
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 2: That sounds insane. But one of them has federal protection,

2495
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 2: one of them does not, and that changes the industry.

2496
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 2: But to the point you want guys to step up

2497
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 2: to make up that difference, seems like both of them

2498
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 2: have stepped up finger scrob.

2499
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 1: And it's not more ethical than MMA and the way

2500
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 1: things are done. It's just the business set up.

2501
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:21,799
Speaker 2: The arrangement distributes power more evenless, doesn't distribute it evenly

2502
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 2: evenly relatively.

2503
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: And there's a pretty steady run of either corruption or

2504
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: the hints of it around every corner just the same.

2505
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:29,759
Speaker 1: But it's just that when.

2506
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 2: I say ethical, I don't mean everything in the sport.

2507
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 2: I mean the way in which power is shared.

2508
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's interesting.

2509
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 2: All right toping them before. We got some UFC two

2510
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 2: eighty six fight announcements. BCL go through these because they

2511
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 2: sound pretty good.

2512
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: And what is two eighty six? What's the date and

2513
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: city do.

2514
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 4: You have that?

2515
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,759
Speaker 2: I'll pull that up. Two eighty six here to eighty

2516
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 2: six is gonna be let's see that will be Saturday

2517
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:50,720
Speaker 2: March eighteenth.

2518
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 3: Okay, so not the John Jones card which is which

2519
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:53,560
Speaker 3: is five.

2520
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 2: Yes, this'll be just two weeks later. By the way,

2521
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 2: It'll be at the O two Arena in London, England.

2522
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 2: So we're getting two pay per views in March, which

2523
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 2: is not unheard of but somewhat rare these days. All right, PC.

2524
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 2: What they've added, of course? Uh, let's see Leon Edwards

2525
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 2: versus kamor Usman is supposed to take place on this

2526
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 2: party the trilogy, right, We've talked about this a little bit.

2527
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 2: Raphael fhazeve taken on justin Gagee. Well, should be your

2528
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 2: co main event. Yeah, confirmed for the co main event,

2529
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: which is just I mean, I don't know what on

2530
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,719
Speaker 2: earth could you could hate about that fight? I really

2531
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 2: really don't. Now they added Muhammed Makaya have taken on

2532
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 2: Joel Filio our Jeffell Philio Makaya, by the way, tweeting

2533
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 2: that don't use crypto dot com because they'll rob you.

2534
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: That is uh wait, you're saying this whole crypto boom

2535
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 1: wasn't on the up and up.

2536
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, turns out it was for morons and fraudsters. Who knew.

2537
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, isn't Logan Paul of crypto issues.

2538
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 2: Apparently he had some big crypto issues and dude named

2539
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 2: coffee Zilla blew him up. But I think he's trying

2540
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 2: to resolve it now. I think I'm not. I stopped following,

2541
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 2: but I saw that he tried to make amends or something.

2542
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 3: What's that guy.

2543
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Progi that goes after the scammers, the scam call I

2544
01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: don't think so. That guy's interesting to watch too. He

2545
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 1: it makes those scam callers cross.

2546
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, he was like, don't use it. That's the UFC,

2547
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 2: the crypto sponsor that's on all the fighter kits. That's

2548
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,599
Speaker 2: like their sponsor. I was like, well, you don't see

2549
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 2: that too often. But also on this card, Roman deeds

2550
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 2: taken on Marvin Vettori.

2551
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Dude, that's a sick fight and that's like matters.

2552
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, we know the leeds is coming on.

2553
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 3: He could have very well have won this hammer.

2554
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: Luke. You know that last month he was in contention.

2555
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 1: This is the fight in my opinion, that that the

2556
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: UFC is saying, Okay, are you are you? Are you

2557
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 1: ready for this part of this club? Beat this guy

2558
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 1: right now, Let's do it.

2559
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 2: Because Vittori's lost twice to is he lost to it

2560
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 2: to Whittaker, but like, I think he's got maybe something

2561
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 2: else going on there, but in general, he beats just

2562
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 2: about everybody else. So if the Leeds beats him, you

2563
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 2: got any new top contender.

2564
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 1: I saw on Cheyenne Listmus's Instagram account that that that

2565
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,640
Speaker 1: she's in Thailand right now, so maybe there's a connection there. Yeah,

2566
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, did you under angles? Hey?

2567
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 3: Fuck it anyway, right, yeah, that's where they were.

2568
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 1: That's that's yeah.

2569
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 2: Pouquette phukett everyone fuck it?

2570
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: I is it really prounced poq? I thought it was

2571
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:01,919
Speaker 1: actually pronounced like this, which made it an easy transition

2572
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: into the joke. But now I sound like.

2573
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 2: There was also an island called Pepe Island, which is

2574
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 2: p h I p h.

2575
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 7: I all right, yes, I mean p e p e

2576
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 7: is Pepe where I come from but Pepe actually has

2577
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 7: an accent on the secondie, So it's Pepee is Pepe

2578
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 7: in the States right now?

2579
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 8: Pepe is not Peppe is in Columbia, just working for

2580
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 8: the pipe Fitters Union, more or less, more or les.

2581
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 1: Do you think we could ever get him on like

2582
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,600
Speaker 1: a room like not official room service divaries, but like

2583
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: the old school way where we just talked talk game.

2584
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't let it out.

2585
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: We can regale him with stories of manhood. What if

2586
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 1: we put it on our only pipes Patreon only pipes? Fine,

2587
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: all right, all right? Gunnard Nelson versus Diana Rodriguez Wich.

2588
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 1: You've talked about in the one of Carolina taking on

2589
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 1: Joeyanne Wood. That's a fun fight. Let's see what else

2590
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Jennifer may have taken on Casey O'Neil. I love that, Hey, Casey,

2591
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:55,560
Speaker 1: didn't you come off at a big injury or that?

2592
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 1: Make that up? It's possible.

2593
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 2: I think that's right. She also got a good tattooed recently.

2594
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 2: And then Laren Murphy too it on Nathaniel would which

2595
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 2: is a good one. Veronica Mercedo was back taking on

2596
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 2: Juliana Miller, Dan Hardy's other half right, Yep, that's okay.

2597
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: But Keller Miller, dude, this is this her official UFC

2598
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: debut after having that Big Contender series.

2599
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:12,560
Speaker 2: Believe that's correct. Okay, this is a good fight and

2600
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 2: Ji Herbert taking it on a litude of it klient,

2601
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,800
Speaker 2: which actually should be a good action fight.

2602
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's gonna be.

2603
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 2: By the way, the two pay per views in the

2604
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 2: same month, if one of them is John and the

2605
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 2: other one is the trilogy between Kamaru. Obviously that the

2606
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 2: trilogy is a bigger fight, but it won't do as

2607
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 2: well as the box office. But I have to say,

2608
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 2: like fans will have to make whatever choices make sense

2609
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:35,799
Speaker 2: for their budget and their interest. I wouldn't knock the UFC.

2610
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,879
Speaker 2: I would rather they space them out. But you couldn't

2611
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 2: actually complain they were offering you shit, this is.

2612
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 1: Des be a great month. That's gonna be a great

2613
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 1: month as a fan, I mean, you know, as a journalist,

2614
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you want at the end of

2615
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: the day. Look, I I'd be remiss if I didn't

2616
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 1: transition out of the MMA power Couple's talk. You know,

2617
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 1: we brought up you know, let's wrap the show up.

2618
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: Hardy and Veronica. There they're people. I'm told that Brian

2619
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: are taking Tracy Kretez have removed the images of each

2620
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: other from their Instagram, But I didn't check.

2621
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 2: I can't, I.

2622
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 1: Can't, I can't confirm. I don't know what that means.

2623
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Are you moved at all?

2624
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 2: But I don't give a fuck?

2625
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a single solitary one. I wonder if this

2626
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: is going to make t City like. I wonder if

2627
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: he goes on a renaissance run or if this makes

2628
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: it harder based on his career off of this, Luke,

2629
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because emotions play into this.

2630
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: They do, and you know, people tend to write their

2631
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 1: best album when they're coming off of a breakup.

2632
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 2: You know, do you hear that Shakira? This track on

2633
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:34,680
Speaker 2: PK No I didn't know?

2634
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 1: Is who's PK her x Man?

2635
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 2: You don't know who PK?

2636
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 1: Is? That the equivalent of when you ask the twenty

2637
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 1: something people that that are work on our periphery, You're like,

2638
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 1: who are the four Beatles or you know who?

2639
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 2: A little bit A little bit I mean racist, uh

2640
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 2: big l here.

2641
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 3: No, he's not really, that's a racked beyond the game.

2642
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 2: He just watches very racist soccer. He's not he's not racist.

2643
01:48:57,880 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 3: He's a big Seri A fan.

2644
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Serie a fan. She put out a distract

2645
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 2: with this other dude named bizarre Rap. I'm saying it

2646
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 2: like a gringo, but that's how you would say it.

2647
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,759
Speaker 2: Where p K was one of the very best players

2648
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 2: ever in Barcelona history, and she married him, they moved

2649
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 2: to Spain and blah blah blah. They have kids together,

2650
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 2: and then they broke up because he's with some new

2651
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 2: check who is like twenty something, you know, and so

2652
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 2: she put out a disc track on him.

2653
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: And I'm not in these these celebrity news circles like

2654
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:25,719
Speaker 1: you are.

2655
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 2: Last bohead us, No Jordan, last bohead Us. Fact.

2656
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm in more of like the Mma couple ig circuit

2657
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: that you know, the Reddit circuit that those are the

2658
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: circuits on men.

2659
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 2: You ever heard you ever heard the distract? We'll play

2660
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 2: the distract off of the show.

2661
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 1: No I haven't.

2662
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 2: It's all in Spanish.

2663
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 3: You're going to listen to a distract since hit him

2664
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 3: up Luke?

2665
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 2: All right, well now, I mean that's that's set the

2666
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 2: standard for just cruelty.

2667
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: But okay, quick hitters let's just some quick hitters here.

2668
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 3: BC Porchino XL got called out in that one.

2669
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, sure, sure did, okay, B see Jake pal

2670
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 2: versus Tommy Fury Aerie Hajwani reporter gets done for February

2671
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:57,759
Speaker 2: twenty fifth.

2672
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it takes place in the UK. Can't

2673
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:00,600
Speaker 1: you say this?

2674
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 2: I will say this, Jake Paul earned my respect a

2675
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 2: little bit, and not a little bit, like a fair amount,

2676
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 2: because dude, he beat Anderson Silva and I saw how

2677
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 2: much better he got. I actually did the tape study

2678
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 2: on him, and I saw all the things I was

2679
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 2: looking for, and that the fight with Silva, that in

2680
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 2: terms of mistakes that just weren't there. Of course, he's

2681
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 2: not a world class boxer, not even close, but just

2682
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,759
Speaker 2: in terms of getting better, he won that fight cleanly,

2683
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 2: and like I was impressed. I was genuinely impressed. But

2684
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't care about this fight. Can I just be

2685
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 2: honest about that. I'm not gonna hate on him. I'm

2686
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,680
Speaker 2: not gonna shit on Jake Paul. I'm not gonna go

2687
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,000
Speaker 2: hating on him. I get it for himself. You just

2688
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 2: ask me my level of interest.

2689
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this is it because Jake

2690
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,479
Speaker 1: had been on an escalation of more tougher competition, and

2691
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: there's this feeling that Tommy is not up to that

2692
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: level and that this is more of a you know,

2693
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 1: circus type fight when he had been getting tougher a

2694
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: matchup each time just because of that, or do you

2695
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 1: just not into the Fury storyline?

2696
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 2: I just don't like. How much of a chance do

2697
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 2: you really get Fury to beat him? Dude?

2698
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:04,759
Speaker 3: Not from what I've seen, not good?

2699
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 2: Not good? Right Like Anderson I would have thought would

2700
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,879
Speaker 2: have had a better chance than Tommy Fury.

2701
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 1: I think Dan Rayfield did some reporting that that this

2702
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 1: fight could be on like either his own or ESPN,

2703
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: Like there's interest all.

2704
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 2: Around, and I like, dude, again, Jake Paul. We covered

2705
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,680
Speaker 2: him a bunch on Showtime. You know, if he's back

2706
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 2: at Showtime at some point, great. It's just for this one.

2707
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't do a lot for me, that's all. Which

2708
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 2: isn't to say that the second WIF I did a

2709
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 2: lot for me either, to be quite honest with you,

2710
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 2: And you know, some people don't want to see Jake

2711
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 2: Paul at all.

2712
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 1: But the ending was fine on the second Yeah, it was.

2713
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 2: The ending was insane, but in general, like, I'm not

2714
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 2: gonna people want to hate on Jake Paul. I think

2715
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,759
Speaker 2: he's earned enough of respect for us to be quiet

2716
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 2: about the more like obvious stuff you could let go.

2717
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean we have to love every fight

2718
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 2: that he makes. I think it's pretty far from it,

2719
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 2: all right. Jeff Molina, God, Jeff Molina appears to be

2720
01:51:56,360 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 2: in trouble. Jeff Molina was suspended on December fifteenth, provisionally

2721
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,679
Speaker 2: by the Nevada Athletic Commission, and it turns out, according

2722
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 2: to them, he's going to remain on suspension as the

2723
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 2: investigation continues. The Nevada Deputy Attorney General Joel Becker told

2724
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 2: a commission during a hearing, quote evidence has come to

2725
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 2: light leading to allegations about respondent Jeff Molina being involved

2726
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 2: in some substantial way in the gaming scheme currently under

2727
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 2: ongoing investigation related to James Kross end quote, So Molina

2728
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 2: will remain on temporary suspension depending a full disciplinary hearing

2729
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,760
Speaker 2: as the ongoing investigation to Cross continues. They're going to

2730
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,680
Speaker 2: be honored, of course by other athleticmmissions, So he's not

2731
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 2: gonna be able to go anywhere else we see Jeff

2732
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 2: Molina appears to be in deep fucking shit.

2733
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:42,679
Speaker 1: Dude, anybody that played a hand in there. Again, even

2734
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: if what they did is quasi illegal or maybe not

2735
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 1: fully is going to get hammered out. But it seems

2736
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:50,679
Speaker 1: based on this report that his involvement does go deeper.

2737
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: And Luke, I don't know if still from the facts

2738
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 1: that we know, I don't know if this went to

2739
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 1: the left. Like it's already illegal and below board that.

2740
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Cruss admitted, allegedly, but Cross admitted on the

2741
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,719
Speaker 1: Aerial show that he's betting on fights that he's coaching.

2742
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: So we're already in a dicey situation just to begin with.

2743
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 1: So I already know that we're in an illegal space.

2744
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:12,719
Speaker 1: But again, I think there's still an unknown of whether

2745
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: all of these guys were part of something much deeper,

2746
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 1: which goes into fight fixing. I mean, look, it's already

2747
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 1: deep enough if we fear that the Minor fight, I mean,

2748
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 1: that is fight fixing the things that we fear about

2749
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 1: the Minnor fight, Right, So that's already right there, that's

2750
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 1: already right there, Luke.

2751
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 3: They got to clean this up.

2752
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 1: And whoever has again a sniff of connection to this

2753
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 1: is going to get nailed, and I mean it's it's

2754
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 1: hard to argue against why they shouldn't. Luke right.

2755
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 2: Our producers asking us is it Have they released him?

2756
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 2: I don't think he's been released by UFC yet? Has

2757
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 2: he I believe he has? Yes, he has?

2758
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:49,879
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I see those emails.

2759
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those recent.

2760
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 1: Sorry my apologies, Yes, you're right, uh TJ also on

2761
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 1: that list of recent UFC right, well he retired.

2762
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 2: It's a little different, but uh okay, uh BC set

2763
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 2: this one up since this was the one you found.

2764
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,639
Speaker 2: I guess tonight is the launch of the Slap Dick League,

2765
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 2: Is that right?

2766
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 1: Yes?

2767
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 2: Yes, set this video up please.

2768
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:12,559
Speaker 3: I'm trying to look. Do you know what show he

2769
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 3: was on?

2770
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Here?

2771
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 3: There was an I don't know, but you can judge

2772
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 3: on what you see.

2773
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,760
Speaker 1: But Dana did a media tour yesterday ahead of what

2774
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: is supposed to be tonight's launch of the combat Slap

2775
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 1: What is the official name?

2776
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 2: I know we joke around the powers, Dana White's power Slash,

2777
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 2: you know, Whit's power Slash. I was want to point out,

2778
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:31,720
Speaker 2: like in the title is white power and also this

2779
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 2: guy just got caught on video hitting his wife, and

2780
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 2: so he's.

2781
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: Showing up and we're gonna throw this video on a second,

2782
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: but he's got the title belt around his waist, and

2783
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: what Luke just said, I mean, and look at just

2784
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 1: to be fair here, that the bad karma couldn't be

2785
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 1: any worse, because that video that went viral in the

2786
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: last forty eight hours from a slap competition wasn't even

2787
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 1: his promotion where the guy's face is just grossly deformed

2788
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: on the site.

2789
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 2: That was not not him.

2790
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 1: But that that's like the worst possible time that that

2791
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: could drop in right now after the New Year's even S,

2792
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 1: which is also the worst possible way you can transition

2793
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 1: into promoting this. But there's going to be a lot

2794
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 1: of people criticizing this league, as I just wrote a

2795
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:14,280
Speaker 1: very detailed editorial against why this is such a ridiculously

2796
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 1: bad look for the company. And here's Dana talking about

2797
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 1: not that criticism particularly, but just in general.

2798
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 9: I see a lot of people talking about the health

2799
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 9: of the fighters, and you know, that's like a big

2800
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 9: issue for a lot of people.

2801
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: They're not understanding.

2802
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 9: They think that they're just standing there defenseless getting hit

2803
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 9: in the head and there's a lot of technique to.

2804
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 4: This because we spend the money to make sure that

2805
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 4: we have two healthy people in there, the proper medical

2806
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 4: attention during and after the fight. These are all the

2807
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 4: things that we need to educate people on, just like

2808
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 4: we need to educate people on mixed martial arts.

2809
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:44,560
Speaker 1: Right.

2810
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 4: But in slap they take three to five slaps per

2811
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 4: of that. Fighters in boxing take three to four hundred

2812
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 4: punches a fight. And guess what you know. My answer

2813
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 4: to that is, if you don't fucking like it, don't

2814
01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 4: watch it. I don't fucking watch and no one's asking

2815
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 4: you to watch. This is Oh you're disgusted by it?

2816
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 4: Watch the voice?

2817
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't tep me? So uh, don't tep me.

2818
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 1: I retweeted that and everybody had the same choke, which

2819
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:17,520
Speaker 1: is great, which is challenge accepted. I mean, dude, like,

2820
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:21,600
Speaker 1: this is the worst possible look in the in the area.

2821
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 3: Okay, No, I'm trying to say something. I'm trying to

2822
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 3: say something.

2823
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but if you like power slap, if you

2824
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 2: like any kind of slap leak, your taste in anything

2825
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:29,840
Speaker 2: is shit.

2826
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I think that goes without saying like separate

2827
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 1: from this the New Year's Eve domestic violence part of it.

2828
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: Take that completely out of this, and I would hope

2829
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 1: we would have the same level of outrage for this.

2830
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 1: It's the worst. First of all, it's the lowest hanging fruit,

2831
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 1: common denominator sport you could do. It's also the worst

2832
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 1: freaking look for the bosses of an organization that that's

2833
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 1: focused should be on preventing trauma. And obviously Danny could say, well,

2834
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: boxing or UFC fights there's more total head trauma. You

2835
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 1: also can block it and he use defense move around it.

2836
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 1: So this is like the lowest possible on that. I

2837
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: think he has actually done enough to dissuade people. You know,

2838
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna if this thing blows up and fails, which

2839
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 1: it probably will, to be very fair and I don't

2840
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,200
Speaker 1: care either way, also to be very fair as much

2841
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 1: as I'm here to tell you, it's just just the

2842
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 1: worst look possible. But I think Dana has done enough

2843
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 1: accidental negative publicity in his own right leading up to

2844
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 1: this that that will seal the deal itself. I mean,

2845
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:28,880
Speaker 1: he's saying, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

2846
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 1: No one's telling you to. You're actually on a press

2847
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 1: toward telling everybody to watch.

2848
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 2: Like this the pols. So I can't watch your other product,

2849
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 2: the MMA product, the actually very good one, without having

2850
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 2: to be bombarded with this bullshit. So believe me, if

2851
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 2: I could not watch it in any capacity whatsoever, I

2852
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 2: would love to You won't let me.

2853
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 1: You won't let me, and you know and to say

2854
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 1: if you don't, I mean, how how does TBS like that, Luke?

2855
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 1: When when the guy who's running just told everybody just

2856
01:57:57,800 --> 01:57:59,440
Speaker 1: told the f off basically, if you don't like it,

2857
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: don't watch it. Okay, I have a feeling people won't lose.

2858
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:03,480
Speaker 2: We've been saying that a long time in relation to

2859
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:04,839
Speaker 2: oversaturation concerns.

2860
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 1: I know we're in cancel culture, and I know there

2861
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 1: are gray areas in the larger conversations here. Well we're not, okay,

2862
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 1: I know what cancel culture can data. Look, I'm trying

2863
01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to see both sides here, But even

2864
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 1: within that frame, how the fuck in twenty twenty three

2865
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,880
Speaker 1: weeks removed from that incident, is this thing going live

2866
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: on a on like a national television level.

2867
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 3: How like what the hell it like?

2868
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:33,480
Speaker 2: Is? See the one thing that separates this like if

2869
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 2: you look at his other failures that Dana White has had,

2870
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,600
Speaker 2: like The Fighters, which was the boxing reality show that

2871
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 2: Discovery aired one episode and they were like, yeah, thanks,

2872
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 2: no thanks.

2873
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: And I like that it was in a Boston gym.

2874
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 1: They told story. It was like the Contender.

2875
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:44,880
Speaker 2: I didn't when I say that it was a failure.

2876
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,839
Speaker 2: I believe you number one. I've had plenty of failures.

2877
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 2: This smaller scale than his big Buver showed that my

2878
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 2: highs being smaller scale as well. But there's nothing wrong

2879
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:54,800
Speaker 2: with the show. The show was fine, you know. But

2880
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 2: this is the first one to MABCE where they really

2881
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 2: intertwined the UFC brand, not just as a halo for

2882
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 2: promotion during UFC events, but the architecture. They're at the Apex,

2883
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,840
Speaker 2: they wear kits, they have a belt. You saw him

2884
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 2: wear the belt there. Like they borrowed the athletic justification

2885
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 2: through the commission, they borrow the architecture in terms of champions,

2886
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 2: in terms of contenders, in terms of setups, in terms

2887
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 2: of the way that it looked. It borrows from the

2888
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 2: USC product in terms of imagery and everything else. They decided, well,

2889
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,360
Speaker 2: the UFC is a winning thing. Let's just substitute mma

2890
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 2: for power slap and see if it works, and it might,

2891
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 2: I remain agnostic. I don't know there are enough fucking

2892
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 2: dullards in the world where they will watch stupid shit

2893
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 2: like this.

2894
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 1: A higher amount of UFC fighters than I thought either,

2895
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:37,800
Speaker 1: whether they're doing it just to.

2896
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 2: Look good, they're doing it because they all have Stockholm syndrome.

2897
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 2: If the rules were different, they wouldn't be doing any

2898
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:43,640
Speaker 2: of this dumb shit. Please.

2899
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 3: Here's what I want to say, though.

2900
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen it before with vincick Mann in

2901
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:50,160
Speaker 1: the early iteration of the XFL, which I know had

2902
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 1: good ideas and it changed a lot of ideas. But

2903
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 1: let's okay, let's go back vincik Man the World Bodybuilding Federation.

2904
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 1: So you get my point. Somebody who gets so rich

2905
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 1: and has so much success can be blinded and can

2906
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 1: do something that is ill advised for many different reasons.

2907
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: But here's Dana's biggest mistake. I thought of what to

2908
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,040
Speaker 1: do with all this success and extra money. Dana was

2909
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 1: obviously way too naive when he formed the idea of

2910
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 1: Zoofa Boxing right around the time that that they joined

2911
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 1: with Connor to do the crossover boxing fight with Mayweather.

2912
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 1: Because he thought he'd just walked right into the boxing

2913
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:23,480
Speaker 1: business and everybody would be waiting open arms, and he

2914
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 1: could just play a giant role for whatever role he

2915
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 1: wanted to play.

2916
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,400
Speaker 3: Are you a promoter? Are you going to be your

2917
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:29,600
Speaker 3: own network on the fight pass?

2918
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:29,760
Speaker 1: Like?

2919
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 3: What are you going to bring to boxing?

2920
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 1: And he just thought it would be automatic like that,

2921
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 1: and nobody would would provide any resistance in what is

2922
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:39,040
Speaker 1: already a just disjointed business structure with its own set

2923
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:42,120
Speaker 1: of cowboys, and boxing is the wild fricking West. Apparently

2924
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 1: so is MMA. It's just there's more organization and structure

2925
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 1: and stability, there's a there's a more monopoly too. So

2926
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,720
Speaker 1: it was Dana's biggest error error in my opinion, that

2927
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:53,680
Speaker 1: he was ill advised to what the true nature of

2928
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 1: the boxing industry and business was and how he might

2929
02:00:56,400 --> 02:01:00,360
Speaker 1: leverage what was happening to use that but his But

2930
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:03,760
Speaker 1: I now realize Dana's actual biggest mistake in that area

2931
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:06,920
Speaker 1: was just giving up and closing down ZUFA Boxing and

2932
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: then taking that same energy, money, and process and putting

2933
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 1: it into the Slap League. What the Slap League should

2934
02:01:14,240 --> 02:01:18,800
Speaker 1: actually be ZUFA Boxing and a home for all of

2935
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 1: your fighters who I get that, the feeling of feeling

2936
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:24,280
Speaker 1: like they're underpaid, so when the remim MA career is over,

2937
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 1: they just want to use whatever's left in the tank

2938
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 1: to try to cash it in boxing. And I get the

2939
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 1: reason why they're able to cash in is because they're

2940
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:31,520
Speaker 1: going to other suitors who are more than happy to

2941
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:35,160
Speaker 1: bring them in. But shouldn't this be instead ZUFA boxing

2942
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:38,760
Speaker 1: where Francis and Ganu could conceivably fight an active real

2943
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 1: boxer you know under your window, or Jake Paul could

2944
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,000
Speaker 1: conceivably cross over and fight Nate Diaz or someone like

2945
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 1: that if you er Connor, if you were willing to

2946
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 1: partner with him and do something like that, or just

2947
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 1: a regular home for the JOSEI Aldos and all these

2948
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 1: retired fighters who go, I know, I got a little

2949
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:55,560
Speaker 1: bit left in the tank, and damn boxing was always

2950
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,440
Speaker 1: my dream and the reason why I got into mixed

2951
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 1: martial arts, which is also for Dana the same path.

2952
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:03,960
Speaker 1: Wouldn't ZUFO boxing as a almost senior league right now

2953
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:07,360
Speaker 1: be the perfect second thing he should be launching. And

2954
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:09,600
Speaker 1: he could just say, because Dana's a huge boxing fan

2955
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: and no one's questioning that, but him and the Furtietas

2956
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 1: used their love for boxing and their sadness that it

2957
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:20,360
Speaker 1: was so unstructured and going in the wrong direction business wise,

2958
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:23,000
Speaker 1: to then fix all of those mistakes under the control

2959
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:25,560
Speaker 1: they have with UFC, and a perfect storm creation happened

2960
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:27,640
Speaker 1: to give them all of that control, and they stayed

2961
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 1: out and waited out the storm, and they are where

2962
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:31,280
Speaker 1: they are. But it was all built on the idea

2963
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:33,360
Speaker 1: that we love boxing so much, but it's broken, so

2964
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:35,960
Speaker 1: we can change it. Why couldn't he just launch ZUFA boxing,

2965
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 1: changed any sort of rules that would best him in

2966
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,600
Speaker 1: his own interest, and then give his own fighters a

2967
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 1: chance to continue to make money because as soon as

2968
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:45,000
Speaker 1: they retire or get cut, that's all they want to

2969
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:45,480
Speaker 1: do anyway.

2970
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, why doesn't he want to prove that his own

2971
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 2: MMA business model is a bad idea to fighters who

2972
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:53,640
Speaker 2: can get around it. I mean, you can see why.

2973
02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:56,160
Speaker 2: The reason why they went with power Slap as opposed

2974
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:58,920
Speaker 2: to Zuofa Boxing is because that is very much unregulated

2975
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 2: right in terms of the participant space and what they

2976
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 2: independent contractors there can do. It's the same with MMA, Like,

2977
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:09,040
Speaker 2: why didn't he go into boxing again? Boxing has. You

2978
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:11,120
Speaker 2: call it the wild West, and it is in many ways.

2979
02:03:11,120 --> 02:03:14,320
Speaker 2: But relative to power slap, you have institutional powers and

2980
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:17,440
Speaker 2: you have federal regulation governing those powers. Power slap is

2981
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:20,320
Speaker 2: the exact opposite. It has none of those protections. It

2982
02:03:20,360 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 2: has none of those best practices, It has none of

2983
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:26,000
Speaker 2: those regulation or institutions to protect them. It as none

2984
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 2: of those things. That's why the MMA consolidation happened. They

2985
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,280
Speaker 2: want to do the exact same thing with something they

2986
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:32,520
Speaker 2: think they can be as burgeoning. It's all a function

2987
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:37,320
Speaker 2: of we can actually monopolize this other industry or take

2988
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:42,240
Speaker 2: significant chunks of it. We couldn't in boxing, so we

2989
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,440
Speaker 2: just want to do that. I mean, it's the same shit.

2990
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:47,240
Speaker 1: It's like, do I imagine that him and Nikis are

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Speaker 1: something going to sit down and co work together and

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Speaker 1: copor pruners know, but they would have the same access

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Speaker 1: to all those big name MBA in NFL. Retired players

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Speaker 1: who are in the same spot still have something left

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Speaker 1: to give in something competitive.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to share. They don't want to share

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Speaker 2: revenue and then show that like their other business model

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Speaker 2: is the problem like that by doing that. They don't

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Speaker 2: want to do.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't you think there's a there's a window here

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Speaker 1: for the ZUFA boxing.

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Speaker 2: Get with with with if Scott Cocher. And again I think

3003
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Speaker 2: Coker's got his strengths and like any promoter, Bob Aaron Cooker,

3004
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Speaker 2: some got their strengths and.

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Speaker 1: Got their weaknesses. One of the greater strengths.

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Speaker 2: I would argue of Coker's model is that you could

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Speaker 2: also want to your weakness of how much he gave

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Speaker 2: to m Won during the fatal days, which we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about a little bit later, but in general, and I

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Speaker 2: would say is he would be much more open to

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Speaker 2: that kind of participatory thing if he had those resources.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd see that. But UFC wants to control

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Speaker 2: it in a very specific certain way.

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Speaker 3: And but this would give them more control. They could

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Speaker 3: say a lot.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's they would actually I mean you could.

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Speaker 2: But then okay, so would they pay the exact same

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Speaker 2: that they would get on the open market. Let's assume

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Speaker 2: that they would not. Why would they anyone want to

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Speaker 2: participate in that.

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Speaker 1: Because they'd have to give a middle ground amount of

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Speaker 1: money to make it worth it?

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't think they want to deal with a

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Speaker 2: sport where they have federal protections. I just don't. I don't. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's why they lobby actively against them on Capitol Hill. Quit.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, that's a fair. That's probably the Connor argument.

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Speaker 2: That's not even a joke.

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02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:09,640
Speaker 1: That's an actual thing that happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: All Right, you see, we're gonna call it so you said.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not ragging on you, but you did say

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02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:16,840
Speaker 1: that you stood for certain principles and you wouldn't watch

3032
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:17,360
Speaker 1: the World Cup.

3033
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Speaker 3: You ended up watching it. I'm not judging you.

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02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 2: I watched the final.

3035
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Speaker 3: I'm not judging.

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Speaker 1: I don't even care really, but are you going to

3037
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 1: at least try to watch the slaptic bull.

3038
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 2: No, No, I didn't have less than zero interest. The

3039
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,800
Speaker 2: less I see of that the better. Seriously, do you

3040
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:35,840
Speaker 2: have any predictions? I don't failure as what I hope?

3041
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't. I don't. It's utterly irrelevant to

3042
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 2: my life.

3043
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:42,240
Speaker 1: How much will this fuel Dana blaming the MMA media

3044
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 1: for the rest of our lives that we ruined slapc.

3045
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:48,160
Speaker 2: Probably blaming the MMA media is the last refuge of everyone.

3046
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 3: By the way, two great hours Mane, which is gee yeah.

3047
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:53,920
Speaker 2: And also like this idea around slap like, oh, it's

3048
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:57,600
Speaker 2: safer than boxing bullfucking shit, Like this is the other

3049
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:59,560
Speaker 2: thing too. It's like, dude, Dana White has on the

3050
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:02,360
Speaker 2: record admitted like, for example, I say I bring us

3051
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 2: up all the time. When they had to sub in

3052
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 2: Rich Franklin Furteita the Ultimate Fighter, Dana White was called

3053
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:08,760
Speaker 2: out for lying on the record like in an actual interview,

3054
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,560
Speaker 2: and then was like tough, So what go fuck yourself.

3055
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:13,480
Speaker 2: It's like, well, dude, there's a cost to that, right, Like,

3056
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:17,240
Speaker 2: if you admit you lied on the record, you you

3057
02:06:17,320 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 2: this changes things between us. You are no longer entitled

3058
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:22,760
Speaker 2: to the benefit of the doubt. And how he characterized

3059
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:24,880
Speaker 2: the negotiations with francis thinking who really knows in that case.

3060
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:27,080
Speaker 2: But like Dana White has, I'm not in any way

3061
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:31,440
Speaker 2: exaggerating this. He has admitted lying on the record. Why

3062
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:34,680
Speaker 2: on earth would anyone take whatever he says, not to

3063
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:37,280
Speaker 2: say it's false, but to take it at face value.

3064
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:42,000
Speaker 2: Anything he says, literally, anything must be double check. You

3065
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 2: must be double.

3066
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not usually into this, you know, checks

3067
02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:48,000
Speaker 1: and balances and keeping score. But in that aerial interview,

3068
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:51,200
Speaker 1: every single thing Ariel presented that Dana said this particularly

3069
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:55,560
Speaker 1: negative against you. Did this happen? Francis calmly debunk that was,

3070
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Speaker 1: you know, the whole idea that that's what he said.

3071
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Speaker 1: She said, who's no.

3072
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Speaker 3: But it's all.

3073
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,040
Speaker 1: Petty stuff that Danny used in that press conference announcing

3074
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 1: that Francis was leaving to paint a picture that he's overweighted.

3075
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, all this stuff here you got like.

3076
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 2: You're just saying like, well, Dana said this, I'm like, dude,

3077
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 2: that means nothing.

3078
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Speaker 1: Dude.

3079
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 2: Think of it.

3080
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,160
Speaker 1: You talk about Stockholm syndrome. Think of how long it

3081
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:14,680
Speaker 1: has been okay within this sport. The UFC, the biggest

3082
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:16,800
Speaker 1: brand in all of mixed martial arts and probably all

3083
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:20,240
Speaker 1: of combat sports. It's been okay and regular practice for

3084
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:23,000
Speaker 1: the promoter to shit on fighters when they are not

3085
02:07:23,160 --> 02:07:26,360
Speaker 1: willing to play the role business wise that he just

3086
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 1: expects them to play. That turns into just a public

3087
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 1: smear campaign.

3088
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 2: That's a by way, and then people turn that into like, like, oh,

3089
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:34,839
Speaker 2: look how great they are as business executive.

3090
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Speaker 3: Dude, that's a regular practice.

3091
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:36,360
Speaker 2: Now.

3092
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Speaker 3: It's not that that hasn't happened in boxing.

3093
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:41,400
Speaker 1: We've seen famous Hopkins against loud Belle We've seen Bob

3094
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 1: aerim against different fighters, but the business always comes back

3095
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:47,040
Speaker 1: around and people work together. Dana feels like he's taking

3096
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 1: these to the grave. Luke like, who's on his You

3097
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:52,960
Speaker 1: remember Steve Buscemi's wall in Billy Madison, Yes, who's on that?

3098
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:54,840
Speaker 1: For Dana, It's like he's got a list of people

3099
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 1: that that he'll just he'll never forgive. Unfortunately, Josh grows too.

3100
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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably us at this point is well, all right, PC,

3101
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:02,720
Speaker 2: let's wrap it up here. So I want to remind

3102
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Speaker 2: everyone we're back Friday.

3103
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:05,360
Speaker 1: You think he has a picture of why am I

3104
02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:06,760
Speaker 1: falls on there as well?

3105
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,640
Speaker 2: We're back Friday. We will do some picks on Friday.

3106
02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 2: We'll have some fun with it. We'll do some fan

3107
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:15,800
Speaker 2: subs on Friday. We'll do some dead wrongs on Friday.

3108
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:17,960
Speaker 2: It'll be a good old fun show. So if you

3109
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 2: want to email the show Morningcombat at gmail dot com,

3110
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Speaker 2: that's the place to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't do shit this week, have you seen it?

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Speaker 3: We'll do it next week.

3113
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Speaker 2: We'll do all that stuff, fun stuff then on let's see.

3114
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Speaker 2: I want to remind folks. Poddash Live dot com February eighth,

3115
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,080
Speaker 2: we're going to be in the UK. Come see if

3116
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:32,760
Speaker 2: you come see us. If you're having out your tickets yet,

3117
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Speaker 2: please go get them.

3118
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Speaker 1: And we're not doing a bit. The tickets are running,

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Speaker 1: they're moving to a they're moving handfull left likely.

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Speaker 2: We'll please come see us. Like again, I'm not doing

3121
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:42,520
Speaker 2: a bit here like we have limited seating and limited

3122
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 2: opportunity in general. How many times we're gonna be in

3123
02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:46,600
Speaker 2: the UK, please come see us. This is it as

3124
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Speaker 2: well as Showtime dot com thirty day free trot for

3125
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3126
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3127
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Speaker 2: get your first six months for three ninety nine a

3128
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Speaker 2: month thereafter, and then of course Morningcombat dot Store.

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3130
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Speaker 2: Come to see him on Friday night. Go check out

3131
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Speaker 2: his live chat. If you haven't seen already that was

3132
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:05,760
Speaker 2: out yesterday, you can go give that a look. Tons

3133
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:07,080
Speaker 2: of fun stuff, all right, So we got to get

3134
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Speaker 2: out of here. We have a busy day ahead of us,

3135
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:11,120
Speaker 2: so thank you so much for watching. That's BC IMLT.

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Speaker 2: This has been MK and until next time, may all

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Speaker 2: of your gains be loyal,