1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So Welcome to the Worst Year Ever, 3 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: the year where we reminisce about the movie Hook every episode, well, 4 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: every week we record an episode reminiscing about the podcast Hook, 5 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: and then Sophie deletes it and makes us talk about 6 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: curryl Um because, as corporate says, nobody wants to listen 7 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: to the same idea as about the movie Hook repeatedly 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: every single week. From That's why we have the recorded 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: every single week. I just think that we're not giving 10 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: our audience the benefit of the doubt here to come 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: with us on this ride. I once saw the guy 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: who played Rufio at Yogurt Land go into town and 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: you want to talk about brightly colored food? Oh yeah, 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: and him, I mean, that's it, That's all I have 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: brightly But I did it. Did didn't want to start 16 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: a food fight. I didn't do They mean, if you 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: were going to pick a place to run into Rufio 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Frozen Yogurt is like the way there you were, you 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: were with me. Okay, Cody was there, he knows what's up. Anyway. 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: This is an intro to a show call Hook. It's 21 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: called Hook podcast, Welcome, and every every year since the 22 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: movie Hook came out has been the worst year ever 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: because it did not feature the movie Hook. Right, Um, 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: if the movie Hook came out every year, UM, it 25 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: will be fine. There would be no need for this podcast. 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: All of our nation's problems problem solved immediately. Um, well 27 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: we should probably introduce what we're actually talking about today, 28 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: which is vac atable. But yeah, are recording this happen? 29 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: Is it? Okay? I just wanted to make sure it's 30 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: a real sloppy start. Sorry, that's my fault. That's all me. 31 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: That's all me. It's called professionalism and we sell at it. 32 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, right in the Bible of how to be 33 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: a broadcaster is start every episode with an extended discussion 34 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: about Hook without half of the podcast being aware that 35 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: you've actually started the episode. That's just basic, basic broadcasting. 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Walter Cronkite invented that. Did we even introduce? We sure 37 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: didn't come it. How are you doing Voda the Doctor? Yeah? Yeah, 38 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: thank you, right, thank you guys for having me back on. 39 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: It's it's nice too. I kind of aspire to be 40 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: your shows like Doctor Oz, but with even less credibility 41 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: achievement unlocked. Doctor. I was like, doctor, Um, so along 42 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: along those lines, then do you have any advice on 43 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: like just like what we should take, like just like 44 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: get just like a name right, like like things like food, 45 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: eat food and pain killers, like what the good stuff 46 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: and water and less processed food. That's about That's all 47 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: I have to offer you. If you do that, you're 48 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: probably good. Should I when I take my morning delotted? 49 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: Should I? Should I crumble up that first pill into 50 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: powder and rail it because I feel like that's healthier. 51 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: It's it's almost not fair to joke because I don't 52 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: know if I'm sure if you're joking, it's not possible 53 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: fair assessment. I have rules about pain killers, and the 54 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: rule is only in Mexico or Guatemala, Belize. Yeah, that's 55 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: a whole, other, whole other story. Um, we want to 56 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: talk about vaccines, Yeah, should we do it? We're all vaccinated? Yeah, 57 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: fully vaccinated. Podcast is not the time period, but like 58 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: we've all gotten our second shots, and I think my 59 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: time periods up tomorrow. Ye, thank you. Yeah, it feels 60 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: really good. Two weeks on on this Saturday since my 61 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: second So yeah, my two weeks went up on Saturday, 62 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: and then I went. I went to the hair salon. 63 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: So exciting, exciting, I'm cute again. So you've always been cute, 64 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: thank you. Um. So what we we wanted to start 65 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: by talking about vaccine? Yes we did, We absolutely started. 66 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: Let's just see how often we can derail each other 67 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: from getting started. It's like the old cracked team meetings. 68 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm getting real slash yeah yeah, yeah, PTSD maybe. UM. 69 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: I think the first thing we wanted to start off 70 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: talking about today was this New York Times article about 71 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: how experts believe it's unlikely that we will reach herd 72 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: immunity in the United States. Um, you know, and that 73 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: the estimate being that in order to achieve her immunity, 74 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: we would need about seventy to the population will we vaccinated, 75 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: and we aren't going to be reaching those numbers fast enough. Um. 76 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: And there's a lot to be said about this, And 77 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: so I'll start with you Dr Oz Yeah. Uh he's 78 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm Persian, just so you know, it's a big difference. Mr. Sorry, sorry, 79 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: that's that's on me. I brought that up. Um. I 80 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: am worried too. I am worried too, but I think 81 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: it can still be done. Uh. In a lot of 82 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: maybe you know, being a little naive, and a lot 83 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: of very smart scientists in doctors, uh are more concerned 84 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: than me. But I do think it's possible. But two 85 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: things need to happen. One, UM, we need to start 86 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: vaccinating kids. That's gonna be a major part of it. 87 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: And to it's gonna be a tough fight. Um, there's 88 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the country that we're just 89 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: never going to reach. I'm not worried about those people, 90 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: but there are people that we can and um, I 91 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a struggle to get to those people. 92 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: And I think that's a sizeable chunk of the population. 93 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: I think if we can do those two things, I 94 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: do think it's possible. Now, the numbers have always been 95 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,119 Speaker 1: since it started, people have been saying anywhere from so 96 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not too surprised. This is not shocking 97 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: what people are saying now, UM, but it would be 98 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: I think it's possible to get to I don't think 99 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: we're uh totally doomed, but it's gonna be hard. Yeah, 100 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: And what does it look like if we don't reach 101 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: those numbers? Like once our reality of this, because there's 102 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of scenarios that I've heard floated. But you 103 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: know what's well, what I think is the more concerning 104 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: thing is we don't get the numbers under control, and 105 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: then winter respiratory illness season comes along, and the country 106 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: as a whole, I think will still be better off 107 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: than we were last year, but there's gonna be regions 108 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: that just gets slammed. There's gonna be hospitals that just 109 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: gets slammed, and there's gonna be delay of care for people. Um. 110 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: And it's it's a real that's a real possibility. That's concerning. Um. 111 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: You know, this year we barely soft flu. My R 112 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: colleagues barely soft flu, and that's probably because of the 113 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: masks and everything else that we're doing. But when that 114 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: starts to relax, and when the CDC gives more guidelines 115 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: about what vaccinated people can do and less people wear 116 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: masks and we open up things, that's gonna be a 117 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: problem again. So if we don't have this under control, 118 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: the combination of all these things, it's it's gonna be 119 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. Um do I think it's only 120 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna be universally bad, but certainly be bad in areas. Yeah, 121 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: And I mean we're talking about the United States, but 122 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: that's not even taking into consideration internationally and worldwide. UM, 123 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: what is going to be happening. I mean, mutations are 124 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: a thing that we've talked about a lot and getting 125 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: to talk about, and in this scenario of not getting 126 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: enough people vaccinated. I know you can't predict the future, 127 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: but in terms of mutations, that is something to be 128 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: aware of and concerned about because they can start more 129 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: aggressively targeting different demographics or different age groups. UM, it 130 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: can change totally. I mean, we're lucky right now. The 131 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: mutations all seem to be relatively still controlled by the vaccine. 132 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: That's from from the studies that have been done so far, 133 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: largely like lab studies that show there's still antibody response. UM. 134 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: That's good, but that could change, and that could easily 135 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: change if there's a mutation that that comes around helps 136 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: that spike protein totally be evaded. So it's it's something 137 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: that we do have to really be concerned about, particularly 138 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: because it does seem like it's relatively quick that we've 139 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: come up with all these mutations. It's not uncommon, not 140 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: unheard of, it totally expected, and there will be more. UM. 141 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: But I mean it's happening as we speak. We're getting mutations. 142 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Some of them are pretty significant, the South African one 143 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: in particularly a little bit more concerning. So, um, it's 144 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: another really important reason to to try and limit the 145 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: amount of reservoir we're making for this virus to exist. 146 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: And that's another reason I talk about kids. At some point, 147 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: we have to get kids vaccinated. So what's the hold 148 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: off on that? Like, I know that they're about to 149 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: authorize kids twelve to sixteen, which you know you wouldn't 150 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: it be possible to immunize large numbers of children via 151 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: some sort of paintball gun specially modified Like how how 152 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: realistic is that? I mean, we should make that like 153 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: a national event. That would be amazing, Like what's that 154 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: country in Italy or whatever? Or the city in Italy 155 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: that has like a big tomato fight every Yes, yeah, 156 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: like we could do that, but with vaccines. That's a 157 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: great idea. I was thinking get out the shot or 158 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: something I don't know, for adults to hunt children, but 159 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: only with weapons that shoot vaccines. Starts of yeah, I could. 160 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: I would rent a helicopter. It would be the best. 161 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: It would be such a good time. Um, it just 162 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: seems like a doable Robert's really looking forward to being 163 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: a parent someday. Yeah, it's a tough sell. It's already 164 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of a tough sell to vaccinate kids. Yea, So 165 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: the helicopter hunting season that I think is going to 166 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: be tougher. But I mean, I think you might reach 167 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: some people, but not all people, not everyone you want. 168 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: Some people will definitely be learned in by that pitch 169 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: that those are the people we really want in positions 170 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: of power. Um I know it's I do think it's 171 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: I think it's really feasible that's gonna happen. You're exactly right, 172 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen year old. It's been um visor's studies 173 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: look pretty good, look pretty promising. I think it's very 174 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: likely that that will make a serious dent in this 175 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: if we can do it. But it's hard. You know, 176 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: people don't want to put their kids through something they 177 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: feel is experimental, it's not been well studied, but they 178 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: they as a concern for people. I understand that as 179 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: a as a parent, I get that. The there's the 180 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: argument is it's hard to make sometimes because it's true 181 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: kids they tend to not get as sick with this, 182 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: but they can. You know, kids still can, first of all. 183 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: And second, we're not going to get to this immunity 184 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: unless we get there, you know. And and the the 185 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: thing I try to emphasize when I talk about this 186 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: is that there was a whole separate study done just 187 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: to study this, and the major focus of the study 188 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: with safety, and it looks really safe. And so as 189 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: vaccines go for kids, I mean there was there was 190 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: it was really not only safe, but also seems to 191 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: be very effective too. So I'm hoping that once we 192 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: start getting that message out, and that's a messaging that 193 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: we're just starting to do now, I think I'm hoping 194 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: that we'll start to get more kids vaccinated. Have you 195 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: had sorry, guys, I just keep having these questions, jump 196 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: in whenever and wrestle me to the ground to get 197 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: your questions in. UM. Have you had a lot of 198 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: patients that you've spoken with about the vaccine UM who 199 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: are hesitant to get it? And I'm curious, you know, 200 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of touched on this on the 201 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: safety of it, but how you have or would talk 202 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: to people about it. I'll say, my nephew, he's twenty 203 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: and he called me like my you know, you know, 204 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: like so and so, so I have to get it 205 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: otherwise blah blah blah. But I don't know. I'm like 206 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: a free thinker and I don't want to I don't 207 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: know what this ship is like and what's gonna do 208 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: for me down the line, like like, am I going 209 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: to be kicked out of the family? And this is 210 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: one of the first times he's talked to me in 211 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: a long time. That's not true. He's a you know, 212 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: he's at that age where I'm his dorky aunt who 213 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: is a no at all, and he doesn't want to 214 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: hear it. So I was like, what do I do 215 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: right now? I don't want to blow it, and so 216 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: I tried to be very cool. Well, I totally understand 217 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: where you're coming from. Man, God, adults suck. But have 218 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: you know do you know about mutations? So anyway, when 219 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: adults are like, all right, I'm gonna try to say 220 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: this cool, I got really backwards on a chair and 221 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: wrapped with him. Yeah, don't blow this, stoll. You know 222 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: the original doctor eminem my doctor Dr Dre says yes, 223 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: to answer your question, I have I have spoke to 224 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: a lot of patients where there's been an issue like this, 225 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: but it's not just patients. Actually, I talked to doctors 226 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: and health care professionals who had no I know that's 227 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: a study came out in UM early March, and at 228 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: that point it's better now, but at that point, doctors 229 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: have had access to the frontline healthcare workers had had 230 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: access to the vaccine for months, and at that point 231 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: only about half had received at least one vaccination. There 232 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of holdouts. A lot of people are concerned, 233 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: and the same concerns they have are the same that 234 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: seemed to be in the general population. The biggest one 235 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: that I hear. I mean, like again, there's just gonna 236 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: be some people who are falling on political lines. You're 237 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get to them really very easily. Doesn't 238 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: mean we shouldn't try, but they're not the first group 239 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: we should aim for. There's going to be those that 240 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: just have conspiracy theories. That happens people fill in the 241 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: blanks with all these weird narratives when we don't have 242 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: all the information. So that's something I don't know if 243 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: we can do anything directly about just yet. But there 244 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: are these people who are just worried that it came 245 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: too fast. They're just worried that it came too fast. 246 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: And and I talked to them for a while because 247 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: that's the one I like, and it's been a good 248 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: like train for me in Zen to stop first when 249 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: these people have these hesitancies and just listen for a while, 250 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: which is like hard for doctors to do, Like they've 251 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: done these studies where doctors like listen to patients before 252 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: they interrupt them by saying something, and the doctors think 253 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: it's like four minutes long they do that, but it's 254 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: like seconds. So it's like I don't even have to 255 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: be a doctor to relate to this. I think that's 256 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: a problem in my own life. Let the person's finished 257 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: saying everything before trying to come in and fix it. Anyway, 258 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I am interrupting to say that. No, So it's so 259 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: I listened to them first, and then I talked to 260 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: them about that because the truth of it is, it's 261 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: not like this came out of a vacuum. I mean, 262 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: people talk about m RNA vaccines like it just came 263 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: out of the oven, like right now. No one's been 264 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: working on it before then, But over a decade of 265 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: time has gone into the study of these things like 266 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: the zico virus, for example, or the first stars or rabies. 267 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: You know, people have looked at m RNA vaccines before, 268 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: so this is not totally brand new. And then I 269 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: also tried to plain to them you know, when you 270 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: throw enough money in manpower at a thing, it will 271 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: eventually get done. And that's what happened in this situation, 272 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of money went into this, and not 273 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: just that. A big part of studies that makes them 274 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: take so long, that that that are hard is getting 275 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: people enrolled. And because so many people had COVID, it 276 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: was easy to test it, and because there's so many 277 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: people interested in these studies, it was easy to test 278 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: it and we enrolled people really quickly. So I mean, 279 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: it is impressive and it did happen fast, and maybe 280 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: calling it warp speed wasn't a great idea, but but 281 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's not. It's not like it came out 282 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: completely out of the blue. It has We've had this 283 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: the background for this, and people very wisely and smartly 284 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: built on it. Yeah, yeah, that's what that helps. I 285 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: feel like that helps some people. I feel not sure 286 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: if that's gonna um penetrate my my nephews stubbornness. But 287 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: I think I'll give it a shot. That that is 288 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: really actually very helpful. And it might just the knowledge 289 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: that it feels like this is brand new because it is, 290 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: but it's not. It didn't just come from a void. 291 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: It's been worked on for a while. Right. So I 292 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: have a question that I I know I asked you 293 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: this question several months ago, um, but I'll ask it 294 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: for for the pot. I said, which vaccine should I get? 295 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: And why? And And the other question I asked was 296 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: does it matter more for my parents to get a 297 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: visor or Maderna versus a Johnson and Johnson? I I 298 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: know that I know the answer is you you told me. 299 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, it's still what you have available 300 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: to you. The best vaccine is the one you get 301 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: in your arm. But um, you know, now with the 302 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: pause on Jane ja Um, maybe if you have the option, 303 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: if you're a woman under the age of fifty, you know, 304 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: get one of the other ones. Um. But even if 305 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: you don't, or if that's you know, it's still okay, 306 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: I mean works great. You know the number seemed that 307 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: the safety has been checked. I think the pause was 308 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: a great idea by the way, and it gave me 309 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: more confidence in the whole process. So, um, you know, 310 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm very happy with all three of them at this point. 311 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: And I'm not just I swear, I'm not just saying that. 312 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: I know, like people assume that, like there's like this 313 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: big meeting of doctors and like we're all just like 314 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: told to like say this. But the truth of it 315 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: is they were pretty transparent with the data, and so 316 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: we've been able to look over it, and I've been 317 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: able to look over it. I've been able to have 318 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: people way smarter than me look over it and and 319 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: and talk about and the safety stuff looks great. I mean, 320 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm I'm very happy with it. I think 321 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: vaccines are dope. I'm just gonna say, and there you 322 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: can't you can't everything. Obviously, so quickly the world's attention 323 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: was on the development of this vaccine. It's where what pandemic, 324 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: But there are lots of other pandemics that have happened 325 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: that do not affect wealthy nations that perhaps have not 326 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: had the same attention or resource devoted to it. Um. 327 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: I just thinking a lot, obviously, especially with with India, 328 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: at the disparity of treatment and options for people throughout 329 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: the world. You know. Um, there's a reasonable question to 330 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: be asked, which is, you know, should we vaccinate kids 331 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: first or vaccinate the world? Um? And I think it 332 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: really just depends on what our stockpile of vaccines is 333 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: going to be like. UM. I think we're coming to 334 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: a point in the United States. We're pretty much here 335 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: already where we have enough vaccine for most places, and 336 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: it's about getting people interested. UM. So I'm hoping that 337 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: it's not either or situation, UM, And I think we 338 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: can do both. I think of nothing else. What this 339 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: has shown us is that in the future, UM, if 340 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: there's something that looks concerning happening in one part of 341 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: the world, it can affect everyone everywhere. I mean, the 342 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: pandemic is not over, for example here, until it's over everywhere. 343 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: And that what's happening in India is not just horrible 344 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: for India, which it is. It's catastrophic, it's bad, um, 345 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's a concern for us to who. 346 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: I mean, there's all kinds of very variations of mutations 347 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: breeding out there, and these viruses. It's it's a concerning 348 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: for everyone. So I hope that changes our outlook long term. 349 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: We've talked about vaccine patterns between our two different shows 350 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: at different points and times. Um, it's all a blur. 351 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: And I'm curious on your your thoughts on that, because 352 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: I've everybody has been urging Biden two get on board 353 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: with opening up the patents. And then I've also seen 354 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: people argue, well seeing people Bill Gates, for one, uh, 355 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: making the case that this that doesn't solve an anything 356 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: because it's about production centers. But then there is the 357 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: case to be made that like, Okay, we'll open this 358 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: up so countries can develop their own vaccines or treatments 359 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: have the information and the resources available. And UM, I'm 360 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: curious if you have any thoughts on that and if 361 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: that would be helpful or or if it's even just 362 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: from the moral perspective, you know, yeah, I mean obviously 363 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: I would rather things go the Sulk route, you know, 364 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: where he you know, famously, what did he say you 365 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: can't put a patent on the sun or something like that, 366 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: same sort of concept here, it would be nice you 367 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: might as well try to patent the sun. I think 368 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: was his exact right. So I would I would love 369 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: to see that. I don't really see a great argument 370 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: for not doing that, not not opening it up, other 371 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: than just to make the companies a little more money. 372 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: But you know, these companies are smart and fighter and 373 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: Maderna there, They've built up a lot of goodwill because 374 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: of this, and I feel like they could easily capitalize 375 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: off of that alone, and they should be Okay, I mean, 376 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: what do I know. I'm not an economist, I don't 377 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: know any of that that stuff. But I feel like they 378 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: went into this, they did it right as right as 379 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: we could expect a major pharmaceutical company to do these things. 380 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: And if they if they can capitalize on that for 381 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: the future, and I don't see them making that much 382 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: more money than than at this point given all the 383 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: different vaccines coming down the pipeline to also considering Darren 384 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: I got a lot of money from the public to 385 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: do this right, right exactly. But I mean, yeah, Also, 386 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden literally promised that he would. He said it 387 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: worked absolutely positively to a direct question whether or not 388 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: he would do this. This is not a defense of 389 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: Joe Biden at all. Everyone so calmed down in advance 390 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: is it's solely up to him to make that choice, 391 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, Like, but we could at least expect him 392 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: to be advocating and committing the United States to supporting that. 393 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: Um it's my understanding that he could, uh, all right, 394 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: we'll do this, alright, then fuck you. But as I 395 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: have another question that probably made sense when we were 396 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: talking a few minutes earlier. What about the people that 397 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: get their first dose and then they're like, you know what, 398 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: that's good enough for me, and then don't get there. 399 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: Yeah that's interesting. Yeah, it's not ideal. It's not it's 400 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: not ideal, and it's happening apparently more than we thought, right, Um, 401 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: and it's that is concerning, particularly because a lot of people, 402 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I think heard that the second shot was worse than 403 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: the first, or they're concerned about the side effects. Um, 404 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: that is correct, though, Yeah you had a bad one time, 405 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, I two is going to be so much better. 406 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, if I could take a third, I would 407 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: take a you know, Christmas time. You're totally right. I mean, 408 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: So that's interesting thing to me is for those of 409 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: us who got it back in December, in January, you know, uh, 410 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: when we're gonna have to re up and when we're 411 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: gonna have to take a booster or a different one. 412 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be a booster with some of these variants 413 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: placed into it. I don't know. So there's a lot 414 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: of different options for what can happen. I'm actually very 415 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: curious to see what what does happen? Do you have 416 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: any This is a surprise line of questioning, so you 417 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: don't have to have this information, but what is Because 418 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: I get confused of protection after one, because I think 419 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: that that's a lot of people even after one. I 420 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: was like, can I start to be a little looser? 421 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: Can I? It's like no, I can't, but like I 422 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: really want to go out. But you're thinking, well, what's 423 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: what degree of protection do I have here already? And 424 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: I think that that's where people fall into attractive like, oh, 425 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: this is good enough, right, there is some protection, you know, 426 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's like fifties seventy in some cases, Um, they're 427 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: is some protection, but still not that nine beautiful nine 428 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: plus percent protection you get from Maderna and Fighter, which 429 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: is just like amazingly rare in a vaccine. They say 430 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: it's so great, So like it really is, I think 431 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: important to to get that second shot. That's the way 432 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: the studies have been done. That's all the data we 433 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: have is based on that, not based on the first shot. 434 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: And actually do know a number of people who got 435 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: actually COVID in between their first and second shot. That's 436 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: what I was getting curious about. Next. Yeah, I don't 437 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't know the number, but they that had certainly occurred. 438 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: And by the way, I should also mention, you can 439 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: still get COVID after your second does About six thousand 440 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: or so people have gotten COVID since that their second 441 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: vaccine the two weeks afterwards. And I mean, granted it's 442 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: pretty mild or relatively mild from most patients, but eleven 443 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: percent of those ended up hospitalized and about one percent 444 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: still died. I don't know the details about those satitions 445 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: with the sicker to begin with. I don't know all 446 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: the information. But you can still get um COVID even 447 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: after this happens. Yeah, it's not some sure fire, vastly 448 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: improved statistics. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you're it's I think 449 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: about it the same way. And I'm sure that there's 450 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: a huge number of people who um aren't going to 451 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: get the second vaccine or aren't going to get vaccinated 452 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: at all, UM who own like a bulletproof vest or 453 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: something right, and it it is the same idea. I'm like, well, yeah, 454 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who die despite getting shot 455 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: with a bulletproof vest. I think you might get shot at, 456 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: you should wear one. It's the same idea with a vaccine, Like, yeah, 457 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee that you won't suffer or die 458 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: from this disease, but if the disease is out there, 459 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: you should get vaccinated because it vastly improves your odds, 460 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: like much more so than a bulletproof that anything anything 461 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: related to safety, literally anything. Yeah, and these situations, it's 462 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: the same thing you can talk about. There are some 463 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: people I'm sure that I'm sure there will be, as 464 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: with every vaccine, a non zero number of people who 465 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: get sick, um and die because of a negative reaction 466 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: to it. It happens, you know, it happens with a 467 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: number of vaccines. Um, there are people who get killed 468 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: by their seat belts. It, but that doesn't mean your 469 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: odds of of like you can look statistically at like, yeah, 470 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: here's here's a freak case where like somebody fell into 471 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 1: a river and their seatbelt they couldn't get it off 472 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: and so they drowned. But like here's a hundred thousand 473 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: cases of people who didn't die because they had a 474 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: seatbelt on during a thirty mile per hour collision. You know, 475 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: it's this is not an argument just about the welfare 476 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: of the community. It's about your personal safety as well. 477 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: So your risk benefit analysis is still better for you 478 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: personally to do it. Um, you know when you're younger, yeah, 479 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: you do better, but still you can get sick. There's 480 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: all these long term sequali of these COVID that we're 481 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: just starting to like learn about that you want to avoid, 482 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: and COVID if you don't, you know, have to go 483 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: to hospital for it can suck. It can be so brutal. 484 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: So like you, if you can take a simple shot 485 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: or two of that will get rid of that or 486 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: protect you at least in some way. I highly recommend it. 487 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think and I think most people 488 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: that are listening to your show, I'm assuming most of 489 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: these people were preaching to the choir. But if not, 490 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: please get your vaccine. Yeah, and just the whole thing. 491 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen a lot of people posting about, 492 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: like we should stop sharing the negative side effects that 493 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: we have after the second vaccine. If it's scaring people away. 494 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: And I get that, although I do think it's important 495 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: and helpful for people to know what's coming when they 496 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: get it or potentially coming. You might not. But the 497 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: reality is a lot of people have a really strong 498 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: and bad reaction to the second shot. Imagine if you've 499 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: gotten COVID, Like, imagine if you actually had it. There's 500 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: at least I have to think that it's worse symptoms, 501 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: it's more protracted and at least, what's a vaccine like 502 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't. I didn't have it the worst 503 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: if anybody. I had a very bad headache for a 504 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: couple of days. That's partly my physiology and how I 505 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: carried my tension and my reaction to being shot in 506 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: the arm. But I knew what it was because people 507 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: were talking about it. I knew that this was a 508 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: day it's going to be something. If you don't if 509 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: you don't share those if people don't know about it 510 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: and then they get the shot and then they have 511 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: these side effects, they'll go online and be like the 512 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: vaccine made me die, Like they'll they'll dig it, they'll 513 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: dig into the other side of it without knowing the information. Yeah, 514 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean you're you're getting a lot of those stories 515 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: where someone is like, Oh, they died and they'd taken 516 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: the vaccine six weeks earlier. You know, this is clearly 517 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: I forget who that That former New York Times journalist 518 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: Alex Um. Yeah, he's been doing ship like that, like, oh, 519 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: if you get vaccinated and you die, uh, that's clearly 520 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: suspicious for the vaccine scene. Right. It's like he's going 521 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: through obituaries and being like, Okay, who got the vaccine? 522 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: There's there's no other cause of death than vaccine. It's 523 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: and it's it gets back to this the problem we're 524 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: talking about, like you can you can extend this to 525 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: seat belts and stuff, how bad people are at at 526 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: risk analysis and its statistics. Um, Because you we've vaccinated 527 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: tens of millions of people, any population of tens of 528 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: millions of people over let's say a one month period, 529 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: some of them will die and some of them it 530 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: will be unclear why they died, because that's just how 531 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: things are, you know, like it's it's it's the same 532 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: exactly right. The Safty data is really good, and you're 533 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: not hearing from all the people who had no significant reactions. 534 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: People aren't usually like me. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't post. 535 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: I don't think like that. Hey, I feel great after 536 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: my second shot. The joy I felt, the freedom I felt. 537 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: It sent enough endorphins into my body that like counteracted 538 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: any negative thing I was feeling at that time. A 539 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: year of stress and all that awful stuff I was 540 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: feeling like for you know, myself, my colleagues, and my 541 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: wife who works a lot more with COVID patients. That 542 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: stuff kind of it didn't vanish completely, but man, it 543 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: felt so much better. My arm felt kind of sore, 544 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: but that was nothing compared to the joy of knowing 545 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: that this year I get to go to Red Rocks 546 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: and lick the porta potties, which I have been looking 547 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: forward to for so long. Really, it's always talking about it. 548 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: Do we do an hour on Hook? We do an 549 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: hour on the show is so popular? Yeah? Yeah, we 550 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: really hit the two things that every every every gen 551 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: zer is talking about. Hook and just really getting your 552 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: tongue into the crevices of a porta John. Any any 553 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: porta John, but particularly the ones at music festivals. Yeah, 554 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: any any congregation, large congregation of UM. Do you think 555 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: there's anything so the communication I think from the media 556 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: and also from like our science communicators and and just 557 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: like how we've talked about this. Obviously the last president 558 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: didn't help, um, and there's this sort of adjustment now 559 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: in like almost like an over like you know you 560 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: see like, uh, the current president Biden out, they're wearing 561 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: a mask still after being vaccinated, all these sort of 562 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: things where he's sort of overcorrecting for what we went 563 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: through last year. Um. Do you think that's not helpful 564 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: or helpful or there ways like people in like Fauci 565 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: can communicate to people a little better about what what 566 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: we're doing. UM, I actually gonna say, I think they've 567 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: been Faucci has been barely good that you know, through 568 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: this thing. I mean he's had his issues, Um, and 569 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: then he wasn't right about everything. But I mean, yeah, 570 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: exactly nobody is nobody has been nobody. I mean, if 571 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: you look through this, this is been Um it's been 572 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: tough to gauge exactly how this is going to play 573 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: out for even the smartest epidemiologists. So I actually don't 574 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: mind that people are still wearing masks. I am vaccinated, 575 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: I still wear a mask, I'm out in public. I 576 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: love my mask. I love for solidarity, nothing else but 577 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: well and for the joy of I I love. You know, 578 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: I wear a gator style mask and mine is double layered. 579 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: It's not like one of those sheer ones. But I 580 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: just love walking into a gun store with a hat 581 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: and a face mask on and buying a weapon from 582 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: another man in a face mask. It's just you, didn't 583 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: you know. It's one of the things that's gotten better 584 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: since Code. The only thing really highlight you speak with 585 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the I need to smile more. But I do understand. 586 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you, but I do understand what 587 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: Code is getting at, which is partly because we talked 588 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: about it yesterday. UM is the messaging of do we do? 589 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: We want to be showing a message of if you 590 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: get vaccinated, you can return to more normalcy. Um. But 591 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: I will say that I personally feel, UM, it's important 592 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: and good to continue wearing my mask. I'm taking it down. 593 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: I'm not keeping it up at my entire walk outside. 594 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: If someone's across the street, like ten feet away, I 595 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: don't really feel like I have to, but if they 596 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: have it, I'm putting it up. And if somebody crosses 597 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: by me closely, I'm definitely putting it up out of respect. 598 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: And also, you know, I understand where the CDC was 599 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: coming from with saying that vaccinated people don't have to 600 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: wear their mask outside. I get that. I think that 601 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: a lot of us have those questions, but it's also 602 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: sending a confusing message universally. I hear exactly what you're saying. 603 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: I I think that we can show return to normalcy 604 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: via other things, like people. We have to show us 605 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: meeting with our friends who are all vaccinated. We have 606 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: to show that we're going out. I'm eating a restaurants 607 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: a lot now I eat outside. I still don't eat inside, 608 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: but outside. Yeah, and and not and it's great. I 609 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: get to meet other like people like from med Twitter 610 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: that I've never met before, and other doctors coming to 611 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: visit SF, and we go out for drinks and we'll 612 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: we'll post that a share of that, because I think 613 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: that's important. You know, that's how we show return to normalcy, 614 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: and we show that getting vaccinated will get you, that 615 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: get you able to hang out with people again and 616 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: in a real way, the like like a Biden guy 617 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: met with the Carters. Yeah because no masks indoors. Yeah, right, 618 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: A very little exactly tiny little carters. I agree, and 619 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: and um, but at the same time, you know what 620 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: you said really for me something actually really like and 621 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: actually I know this is kind of a silly thing, 622 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: but I like, walking down the street, someone else is 623 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: walking down the street. We both aren't wearing our masks, 624 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: but we see the other person coming, we both put 625 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: up our masks. I know it's a bit of a 626 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: silly thing, but it shows respect. And I think every 627 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: time it happens, I'm a little bit like my heart 628 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: gets a little warmer. I'm like, this person cares, you know. 629 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: It's a nice Yeah, there's a solidarity aspect to it, 630 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: and just like knowing like this is what we did, 631 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: is what we're doing. Um, right, and nobody knows for 632 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: sure I've been vaccinated. Nobody knows, you know, and I'm not. 633 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm vaccinated. It's cool. I guess that's another tactic because 634 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's the that's the sort of transitional, weird, 635 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: confusing period we're in now where it's like you want 636 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: to have these sort of like social aspects of it, 637 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: and uh and the solidarity and sort of like out 638 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: of okay, we're still doing this, but also being able 639 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: to do these sort of things and uh communicate that 640 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: it's okay without getting you know, some unnecessary altercation or whatever, 641 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it. I have 642 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: been trying to work on myself by not scowling at 643 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: people when they're not wearing masks in places you should. 644 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: That's like something I am working on personally, scowl I 645 00:36:53,880 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: know that now together. Yeah, It's it's hard in Texas 646 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: because like there's there's so many places where people just 647 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: absolutely have have given up on the mask wearing it. 648 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: It's weird. It like heavily is neighborhood dependent and um. 649 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, like I I commit to wearing them indoors. 650 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: Since I've gotten vaccinated, I've been looser even about wearing 651 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: them outdoors like I already wasn't when I would like 652 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: go running and stuff, because I'm not like I I 653 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,919 Speaker 1: again part of why I have, like the next things 654 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: that I can pull it up if I happen to 655 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: get close to somebody as a as a just out 656 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: of politeness. But the data seems to suggest that unless 657 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: you're in a crowded public area outdoors, it's not really 658 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: all that helpful to be masked up when you're just 659 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: like walking around on your own and wherever. Um. And 660 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: I do think that's one of those things that it 661 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: is kind of valid to push back against this because 662 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: I think there are some folks who are overly um 663 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: sensitive about masking up outdoors to the point where it's like, well, 664 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: you're alone in a park, you don't you don't, and 665 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: and and maybe it's okay to like be like, hey, 666 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: we don't need to we don't need to be like 667 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: that aggressive about it, because that kind of feeds the 668 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: people who are like, well, they're just trying to keep 669 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: you in a mask all the time forever. And I 670 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: don't know, I I think a valid conversation to be 671 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: had about like what is what is protecting people? And 672 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: what is security theater? If if that makes any sense. Um, 673 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: not that you should shame anybody that you see in 674 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: a mask outdoors, but I think don't call yeah no, 675 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: no no. But I think that like, for example, when 676 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about what could be useful for the president 677 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: to be doing or whatever, walking around outdoors without a mask, 678 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: I think is something that that can be normalized more now, Yeah, 679 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: I think so, I mean it's hard, I don't I 680 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 1: don't know what it's like in that situation Asian, and 681 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: how everything he will do will be twisted, you know, 682 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: if he wears a masks, if he doesn't wear a mask, 683 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't, I can't even you know, and who knows. 684 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: I actually don't know why. I get one shot at 685 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: him walking on the grass, but I don't see him 686 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: like the thirty seconds later when he's like around a 687 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: bunch of soldiers who are you know, escorting him onto 688 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: a helicopter who don't have their vaccines or something, So 689 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: I you know, yeah, and it's a lot of it 690 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: is yeah, like you're saying, like sort of navigating the inevitable, 691 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: like right wing media talking point about this particular moment, 692 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: and like how that feeds into this and so pushing 693 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: back on that involves it's other like it's yeah, it's 694 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: a necessarily frustratingly complicated totally. I mean, it's interesting because 695 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: I agree with everything and would be saying. And I 696 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: also think, as we started this conversation today, a big 697 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: swath of America has not been vaccinated and doesn't want 698 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: to and or it has a lot of or we're 699 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: having a hard time convincing them. So my problem with um, 700 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: mixed messaging on masks is not about whether or not 701 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: I need him to be doing it right now. It's 702 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: whether or not our community is safe yet, you know, 703 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: And so I like, I why, I agree with everything 704 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: you guys are saying, and I see that point. There's 705 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: also um about as many people unvaccinated, more more than 706 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: that unvaccinated than vaccinated, and UM, they're still at risk. 707 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: And you know, is this the time for the president 708 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: to change his messaging? You know? But I don't know 709 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: the answer, because I totally accept other things you're saying, 710 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: in part because that that conversation. I think, I know, 711 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: in the case of Trump, because of how his followers are, 712 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: I think if he had made a point of publicly 713 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: wearing masks and supporting them, it would have made a 714 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: real difference. I don't know that it really does with Biden. 715 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: With Biden, right, is that too? You're right, You're right, right, 716 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: It's over correction from a guy who's like, yeah, right right. 717 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean it it's hard because it's the messaging is 718 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: so muddled right now, and they've been trying really hard 719 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: to keep one focused message. So I think that's probably 720 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: what's happening that they're just trying to keep a focus 721 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: message and hammering that that message home. Um. But you know, 722 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: at the same time, you're right, we have to sort 723 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: of be a little bit careful. In the beginning of 724 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: this whole thing, we shut down like beaches and big 725 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: open areas because we didn't know the the best of 726 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: our knowledge, was the right thing to do. We probably 727 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: lost a little bit of public goodwill from doing that. Um. 728 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't regret that it 729 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: was done because we didn't know. We were trying to 730 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: figure it out. In the long run, it wasn't that 731 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: long that those things were shut down. But it's true. 732 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: We we do have to sort of balance it. I 733 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: mean again, I think there's gonna be a population that 734 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: is just gonna be really hard to reach, and there's 735 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: a population that is very reachable and focusing on that 736 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: population and is the right move right now? And I think, uh, 737 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: a clear, direct, repeated message to those people is is 738 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: going to help. Yeah, what do I know? I don't know, 739 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: you know a lot, I know something, I know somethings. 740 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: Do you guys have more questions? How's it gone? How 741 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: you doing all right? How you guys doing hanging in there. 742 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 1: Are you guys going out to restaurants again? I am. 743 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: I went to one in Texas with my family who 744 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: are all vaccinated, um, and it still felt weird. Um. 745 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: I was not wild about it. Um. But it was 746 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: also like, I don't know what am I gonna do. 747 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: Everybody got vaccinated. Establishment. It's that situation where it's like, yeah, 748 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: literally all we're all vaccinated. Yeah, that's the situation, but 749 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: it is weird. It's been a year. Um, that's a 750 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: long that's a long time to completely change how we 751 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: interact with every other human being on the planet. I 752 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: told I told Katie this my first my my like 753 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,280 Speaker 1: I said, I got my hair hair done, my first 754 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: like stranger interaction is being at the Airslana. I would 755 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: say seventy of the people were like, I'm not getting 756 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm not getting the vaccine. Like my hairstyl was asking them. 757 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, but but l A in l A, in 758 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: l A, like near u C l A. And they 759 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: were all and and they're all over fifty. They were 760 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: all over fifty and they were like, but that's are 761 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: you don't want to get enough. If something's gonna get me, 762 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna get me, Wait, no, that's not you're in 763 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: the age where you're not Noway. But if they're so tough, 764 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: then why can't they handle a vaccine. That's the thing, like, 765 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: if you're so tough that you're just like, whatever happens happens, 766 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: unless it's a bad side effect from a shot, I'm 767 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: not going anything else that's gonna happen is going to 768 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: happen every ever. There's a lot about side effects that 769 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: I feel like people are hesitant to get the vaccine 770 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: because of side effects. But it's like it's temperate, But 771 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: what about the COVID side effects? Those are bad? Those 772 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: are bad everything. Those aren't even side effects, are just effects, 773 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: and they're bad ones. When I had a very minor fever, 774 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,919 Speaker 1: I welcome up and I was like, yeah, let's do this. 775 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 1: I feel you're working exactly. It's gonna have a little response. 776 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: It's so frustrating. UM, I don't know. You know, I 777 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: saw yesterday that one of my someone I know in 778 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: the Iraqi Army got vaccinated. Um. And it was specifically 779 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: a person who never wore body armor. UM. And I 780 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: guess I was like, good for you. I'm glad your 781 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: cost benefit analysis extended to getting like, well, I'm not 782 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: gonna wear armor when I'm getting shot at, but I 783 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: am gonna get this. Yeah, okay, people, I mean we 784 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: all make baffling, like if you really analyze your own 785 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 1: behavior with the fine teeth comb, we all make baffle 786 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: a cost benefit analysis decisions. I think, like that's that's 787 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: that's the case for everybody, Like I am getting this vaccine. Um, 788 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I carry a gun all the time, you know, 789 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: I take there's a number of weird self protection things 790 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: I do. But also like I don't give a ship 791 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: about cigarettes, Like I don't give a shit about and 792 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: I should, Like that's objectively more of a threat to 793 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: me than anything. Um, I didn't get like I didn't 794 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: wear a mask most of the time when the state 795 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: was burning down around me. You know, I've gotten tear 796 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: gas a bunch of times without masks. Like we all 797 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: we all make some sort of baffling health decision, even 798 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: if it's down to like, well, I'm gonna take all 799 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,760 Speaker 1: this medication, but I'm not going to stop eating French 800 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: fries that have been fun like fried enough oil that 801 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 1: it's going to clog my heart. You can't. That's why 802 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: I think like, it can't be. It's it doesn't. Like 803 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: what matters isn't whether or not your own personal cost 804 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: benefit analysis is kind of um skewed. What matters is 805 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: whether or not you're willing to take actions that are 806 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 1: primarily about protecting other or at least have a protective 807 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: effect for other people, and getting vaccinated is one of those. 808 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: We can argue about a bunch of different ship and 809 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: like whether or not you should smoke or like should 810 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: we have consequences as a society for people who choose 811 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: to smoke, But at the end of the day, if 812 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 1: you're smoking on your own, there's only so many people 813 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: that can possibly affect, whereas getting vaccinated vastly reduces your 814 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: chance of harming another person in society. Um, yeah, yeah, 815 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm convinced again. Anyway, get vaccinated and buy some cigarettes, Menthols, 816 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: the healthy cigarette. While you can just blow that smoke 817 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,879 Speaker 1: into your mask and keep it there. Oh yeah yeah, 818 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: get a gas mask and smoke inside it, like really, 819 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: let it soak into the coors. That's how you keep 820 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: yourself healthy. You know, they zone every every doctor once 821 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: they started getting the vaccine. They posted these things on Twitter, 822 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: like a picture of them get a vaccine, and they'd 823 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: be like, this is from my community, this is so 824 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: I can hug my parents, this is from my patients. 825 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: And all those things are true and they're all accurate. 826 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: But what I wanted to post was I'm doing this 827 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 1: for me because I want this so bad. I want 828 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: to be able to go out, I want to feel comfortable. 829 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: I want some some sense of you know, normalcy to return. 830 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: And for me, it was the best way to do it. 831 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: But all those other things you're mentioning are totally true. 832 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,359 Speaker 1: And yeah, affecting the community is huge. Yeah, I think 833 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: that that's true. Also, I think they're like there's an 834 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,839 Speaker 1: element that people want to see that they want to see, 835 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: like no doctors are like, yeah, give me the tax scene. 836 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,359 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Absolutely, I'll take it right now, right 837 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: in my eye if I need, if that's where it 838 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: needs to go, I would take it. Help me the 839 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: funk up? All right, Well, thank you so much for 840 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: joining us today, Dr Covs. Yeah, I don't know, No, 841 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: I've had worse. It's all right. Listen to his podcast. 842 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: Tell us where where they can find your podcast and 843 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: find you online so you can find us at on Twitter, 844 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: at the House of pod Um and I think we're 845 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,959 Speaker 1: also on Instagram and our podcast you can listen pretty 846 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: much anywhere you listen to podcast. We talk about stuff 847 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 1: like COVID and health issues, but then we'll also talk 848 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: about stuff like systemic racism medicine, or sexual harassment medicine 849 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: and uh, all this fun stuff. And we'll have guests 850 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:32,240 Speaker 1: ranging from like the world's greatest medical experts to every 851 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: single person that's on this panel right here, so the 852 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,479 Speaker 1: world's greatest medical exactly. So yeah, come take a listen. 853 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:47,399 Speaker 1: You'll like it. Yeah, you will joining us smoking again, well, 854 00:48:47,480 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: you can thank you, guys. Cigarettes so great. 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