Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, February twelfth, and Ice
Speaker 1: is leaving Minnesota. Welcome to this breaking news episode of
Speaker 1: Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2: Robes.
Speaker 1: We're hopping on here because we just got word just
Speaker 1: within the past several moments from Tom Holman, who has
Speaker 1: been sent to Minnesota with the President's a new man
Speaker 1: on the ground who has just announced what some have
Speaker 1: been screaming for, begging for protesting about, and even bad
Speaker 1: Bunny said on the Grammy stage, Ice out and they're leaving.
Speaker 3: Yes, hashtag Ice out, It's everywhere and now it's actually happening.
Speaker 3: Borders are Tom Holman made this announcement and it took
Speaker 3: a lot of folks by surprise, but he said that
Speaker 3: President Trump has signed off on this, that they are leaving,
Speaker 3: that they've been successful, that they're leaving Minneapolis safer and
Speaker 3: better than before. But yes, this is the news so
Speaker 3: many people were waiting for and probably didn't think would
Speaker 3: have happened this quickly.
Speaker 1: And I think you said the most important part, right,
Speaker 1: The President signed off on this. He said, it was
Speaker 1: my suggestion to the president. He's going along with it
Speaker 1: and we're leaving now, Robes, this will be seen as
Speaker 1: some as what a victory. Will this be seen in
Speaker 1: any way as a retreat by the president. He certainly
Speaker 1: will make sure it's not framed that way. But bottom line,
Speaker 1: as we get into the back and forth here robes,
Speaker 1: isn't the bottom line the basics that just this national
Speaker 1: nightmare and international embarrassment to a certain degree that's even
Speaker 1: impacting our Olympians is going to end.
Speaker 3: You know what, I think that is a very good
Speaker 3: way to put it, and it's going to end. I
Speaker 3: feel like in a way, both sides can say they
Speaker 3: wont Both sides can point to something and say this
Speaker 3: happened because of what we did or what we said.
Speaker 2: So you've got borders.
Speaker 3: Are Tom Holman saying we've made four thousand arrests, Minneapolis
Speaker 3: is safer. He made a point we'll get into his
Speaker 3: exact comments, telling folks, if you're illegal in Minneapolis, you're
Speaker 3: not okay or in the clear. We are still going
Speaker 3: to be enforcing the law, but just not with three
Speaker 3: thousand ICE agents boots on the ground. And then you've
Speaker 3: got protesters who can say our voices were heard, our
Speaker 3: local and state officials stood up for us, and we
Speaker 3: eventually were able through our collective efforts to get Ice
Speaker 3: out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Everybody gets to say.
Speaker 1: They won, and the President will refuse to let anybody
Speaker 1: say he retreated or that he caved, or he in
Speaker 1: some way cave to these Democratic lawmakers, these Democratic leaders.
Speaker 1: Not sure how he's going to frame this, but I
Speaker 1: think Tom Holman today was careful. He has been good,
Speaker 1: a straight shooter, but even today is in making sure
Speaker 1: that he was giving the president credit. He also has
Speaker 1: been good rose about saying not saying this thing perfectly,
Speaker 1: and I'm here because it didn't go perfectly, and I'm
Speaker 1: here to make it better. So he's been on the
Speaker 1: ground for a week and a half and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden everything changes.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. And look, I appreciate this.
Speaker 3: We say enough things about President Trump and his decisions
Speaker 3: and maybe even what he says about his decisions, but
Speaker 3: I will say that it is refreshing to see him
Speaker 3: trust people he put in charge. So he took someone
Speaker 3: like Homan who was actually working. He's worked for the
Speaker 3: Obama administration. This isn't a partisan borders are. This is
Speaker 3: somebody who has worked in different administrations who you might
Speaker 3: think President Trump might not trust because of that, but
Speaker 3: instead trusted the guy on the ground who he put
Speaker 3: in charge to say what he thinks is best for
Speaker 3: the law and order of that community. And it's just
Speaker 3: nice to see President Trump supporting that decision.
Speaker 1: And look, will two American citizens have died in the
Speaker 1: past several weeks because and he will tell you, because
Speaker 1: of this surge having them out of there, and they're
Speaker 1: no longer being surge. For many people will say Minnesota
Speaker 1: is safer because you're leaving. The administration is saying you're
Speaker 1: safer because we came in the first place. Who cares
Speaker 1: at this point, who wants to win whatever pr battle?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: But if we don't have to see any more tear
Speaker 1: gas and spitting and throwing and kicking, and if we
Speaker 1: don't have to see anymore of that on the streets,
Speaker 1: whoever take it out?
Speaker 3: And it's amazing obviously those of us who are reporting
Speaker 3: on it, and anyone who's listening to this has been
Speaker 3: watching it, we've been reading it. But the folks in
Speaker 3: Minneapolis have been living it. And I cannot imagine what
Speaker 3: that must have been like, what that has been like
Speaker 3: for everybody in that community, People who care about the
Speaker 3: immigration community, people who are here who might be here
Speaker 3: legally but look like they could be illegal immigrants. You know,
Speaker 3: the fear, the distrust, the chaos, the anger, the violence.
Speaker 3: And yes, it is so tragically sad that two people,
Speaker 3: a young a mother of young children, and an icy
Speaker 3: U nurse were literally gunned down in the streets of
Speaker 3: their own city. It's it was horrific and difficult, and
Speaker 3: as you pointed out, even made its way to the
Speaker 3: Olympics in controversy.
Speaker 1: And so if all of this robes that everywhere you go,
Speaker 1: people are seeing what's happening on the streets of an
Speaker 1: American city where we're fighting each other and you have
Speaker 1: government agents killing American citizens.
Speaker 2: That has happened.
Speaker 1: It's not a blame and a back and a fourth
Speaker 1: and who should have been there, should have moved a
Speaker 1: car and he shouldn't have been so angry. That's not it.
Speaker 1: The point remains, robes we are Americans fighting Americans literally
Speaker 1: in the streets of American city, and Americans are dying.
Speaker 1: If that gets to stop and decrease the chances, then
Speaker 1: so be it. And look, thank you, mister Tom Holmer.
Speaker 1: He has been such a straight shooter. We've watched some
Speaker 1: of these press conferences sometimes going come on, dude, like
Speaker 1: wake up an He's just not an animated guy.
Speaker 2: This is who he is, straightforward, gruff, and.
Speaker 3: That's exactly who we needed, it appears, because take the
Speaker 3: emotion out of it and get the job done. And
Speaker 3: when the job is done to the best of your ability,
Speaker 3: you get out, you leave. Look, we're here in Mexico.
Speaker 3: We've told everybody this We saw in the streets of
Speaker 3: this small little surfing town f Trump f Ice. It's
Speaker 3: even here in Mexico. Obviously, folks, folks who live here
Speaker 3: or who have maybe family members who have emigrated.
Speaker 2: Or who live in the United States.
Speaker 3: Obviously you understand why there's that sentiment here in a
Speaker 3: Spanish speaking country.
Speaker 2: But still it was still surprising to see it.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That was just yesterday. We saw
Speaker 1: that and couldn't believe it was here. But Holman gave
Speaker 1: this press conference today.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: We had it scheduled, it was planned, and to be honest,
Speaker 1: we were in the middle of some other work and
Speaker 1: I was going to put it up and I said, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: it's probably just giving an update. Wasn't expecting this today,
Speaker 1: but he came out with us. I'm very pleased to
Speaker 1: report that this surge operation and our work here with
Speaker 1: state and local officials to improve coordination and achieve mutual goals,
Speaker 1: as well as our efforts to address issues of concern
Speaker 1: here on the ground, have yielded the success results we
Speaker 1: came here for. There were some issues here, and we
Speaker 1: addressed those issues. But I'm not gonna sit here and
Speaker 1: say anybody did anything wrong. I'm going to say there's
Speaker 1: some issues here, we fixed those issues. We've had great
Speaker 1: success with its operation, and we're leaving Minnesota safer.
Speaker 2: Okay, that true?
Speaker 3: Fine, Okay, say, and if that is the belief among
Speaker 3: the Border Patrol agents, if that is the belief from
Speaker 3: the Trump administration, then that's great. And look, we had
Speaker 3: what three thousand ICE agents there last week they announced
Speaker 3: that they were pulling back seven hundred, so there was
Speaker 3: twenty three hundred left on the ground. And even still
Speaker 3: you had Mayor Jacob Fry come out and say that's
Speaker 3: still too many. We don't want twenty three hundred ICE
Speaker 3: agents here. Ice out. I'm not going to rest until
Speaker 3: ICE is gone. Well, Homan did say that, yes, ICE
Speaker 3: is leaving, but they will leave a small footprint of
Speaker 3: personnel for a periody of time to close out and
Speaker 3: transition and give control back to the field office, which
Speaker 3: is what I everyone in that state.
Speaker 2: I what local or state official said anything other than that.
Speaker 3: And yes, this is a democratic state, this has got
Speaker 3: democratic leaders. But still there was no I never heard
Speaker 3: one voice who actually lived and resided in Minnesota who
Speaker 3: said they wanted ICE to stay.
Speaker 1: No, not one, anybody. I keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's going great. That nobody was saying that, correct. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 3: I cannot think of overcall one official voice from Minnesota
Speaker 3: who is a local elected official who said that they
Speaker 3: wanted ICE to stay.
Speaker 1: And the way Homan put it, I have proposed, and
Speaker 1: President Trump has concurred that this surge operation conclude the
Speaker 1: back and forth. And I don't know what interpretation needs
Speaker 1: to be done and what back and forth I don't
Speaker 1: know robes. But if it's ending, we have to be
Speaker 1: relieved that what we've seen on the streets is not
Speaker 1: going to continue for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: Yes, and look, I think that.
Speaker 3: I understand and I think most Americans don't want laws
Speaker 3: to be in place that aren't enforced, the whole point
Speaker 3: of having a law, the whole point of having a
Speaker 3: society that is able to operate within the boundaries of laws,
Speaker 3: require consequences when people break the law. So I think
Speaker 3: there was always an ability to strike a balance here.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone is looking to have criminals murderers.
Speaker 3: They always like to give all the different violent labels
Speaker 3: to the criminals who are also here illegal, I think everybody,
Speaker 3: And that was seemed like such an obvious compromise that
Speaker 3: they eventually reached that in your jail, are already in prison,
Speaker 3: are already in jail, are already incarcerated, take them and
Speaker 3: take them back to their home countries.
Speaker 2: That I don't that if.
Speaker 3: That was all it took for this to all wind down,
Speaker 3: it's exhausting to think that we couldn't have gotten there earlier.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, it's all exhausting to think how many injuries,
Speaker 1: how many arrests, Rerene Good, Alex Preddy dead over what
Speaker 1: because Homan wasn't there early enough. Again, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's putting on him. I'm just saying it sounds like
Speaker 1: he came up with a very simple solution when cooler
Speaker 1: heads prevailed and you mentioned great point, Robes, This dude
Speaker 1: is a straight shooter. No emotion, seems like everybody we
Speaker 1: heard from there was emotion in the Governor Waltz's motion,
Speaker 1: Mayor Fry obviously with his box. There's nothing but emotion
Speaker 1: coming from the President in some of his language. So
Speaker 1: Homan never been worked up during all of this. But folks,
Speaker 1: in the middle of all this, what does this mean? Now?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's Thursday, you remember tomorrow shut down? Is
Speaker 1: that gonna change anything? Now that ice is leaving Minnesota?
Speaker 2: Stay here.
Speaker 1: All right? We continue here the breaking update Ice out
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. The White House, the administration has just announced
Speaker 1: through Tom Holman, the borders are, who has been the
Speaker 1: President's man on the ground there in Minnesota's for the past.
Speaker 1: We gonna have did do a press conference announce that, Yes,
Speaker 1: in fact, the Minnesota the surge is going to be
Speaker 1: ending and they're gonna be winding down operations there. Robes, Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I'm back in Washington. Partial shut down is on tap
Speaker 1: right for midnight tomorrow night. Very partial, very specific to DHS,
Speaker 1: but it could have widespread impacts. But Robes, is this
Speaker 1: gonna change things? Now that the fight is over ICE funding.
Speaker 1: So now that ICE is going to be leaving Minnesota,
Speaker 1: will this change anything?
Speaker 2: I think that remains to be.
Speaker 1: Think you answered at the beginning, because look.
Speaker 3: They have to obviously now take all of those agents
Speaker 3: and get them back to wherever their home offices were.
Speaker 2: That all costs money, transportation costs.
Speaker 3: Are they all going to leave today before the government
Speaker 3: shuts down on Friday?
Speaker 2: In terms of being able to fund and pay.
Speaker 3: For is I didn't think about that, all of the
Speaker 3: transportation costs that are going to have to take place
Speaker 3: for I'm thinking about planes and trains and automobiles and
Speaker 3: having to get back and to leave Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: That costs money.
Speaker 3: In order to pay for that, you have to have
Speaker 3: a funded Department of Homeland Security, which it will not
Speaker 3: be as of tomorrow at midnight.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're still trying to find hopefully solutions, not sure if
Speaker 1: a main one has emerged. They do their their delicate dance,
Speaker 1: and they know how to maneuver this and that and
Speaker 1: to kick the can. But DHS is not just amount
Speaker 1: of funding ICE. We're talking about FEMA, when we're talking
Speaker 1: about TSA. Now those are organizations that will are supposed
Speaker 1: to continue operating. Those folks have to show up to work, certainly, TSA.
Speaker 1: But ro, do you want to go through this again
Speaker 1: with the TSA. You remember how fearful we all were
Speaker 1: there's a shortage where and you're shutting down airspace for
Speaker 1: how many hours because you have a staffing shortage in
Speaker 1: the tower that's getting my plane or my loved ones
Speaker 1: safely to the ground. We don't need to see it. No,
Speaker 1: they got it.
Speaker 2: They come on, we don't. And this thought bubble just
Speaker 2: popped up in my head. Can be dangerous, folks.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is I'm wondering how this announcement
Speaker 3: plays into the negotiating that's going on among members of Congress.
Speaker 3: They want these restrictions, they want tighter restrictions on ICE agents,
Speaker 3: on border patrol officers because of what happened in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Is this a move that would actually.
Speaker 3: Make some of those Democratic lawmakers more likely to reach
Speaker 3: a compromise because they're seeing now the administration basically compromising
Speaker 3: in a sense. Now they're not saying their compromise, they're
Speaker 3: saying their job is done or their work has been done,
Speaker 3: and they've they can't they accomplished what they came into accomplish,
Speaker 3: but still they are leaving Minneapolis, which is absolutely what
Speaker 3: Democrats want it. So I'm just wondering if this plays
Speaker 3: into that, and maybe because of this move, they'll actually
Speaker 3: be able to come to an agreement and nothing.
Speaker 1: Your thought bubble, Yes, it was a cynical bubble that
Speaker 1: it was all a part of a larger, grander scheme.
Speaker 2: I mean it's possible.
Speaker 1: Fine, fine, but it's ending, folks, and I think we
Speaker 1: should all, at least and to some degree roades, be
Speaker 1: relieved that these clashes will not continue. And they're violent,
Speaker 1: and they are they're nasty, and we've seen them play out.
Speaker 1: If that's going to animal Okay.
Speaker 3: The escalation was just so difficult to watch, so watching
Speaker 3: it de escalate is just actual relief. I feel my
Speaker 3: shoulders relaxing, and I love what Homan said, and I
Speaker 3: just think this is maybe a good way to wrap
Speaker 3: this up. Homan said, I don't want to see any
Speaker 3: more bloodshed. I pray every night for the safety of
Speaker 3: law enforcement personnel and the safety of those in the community,
Speaker 3: whether you're here legally or illegally.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see anybody harmed.
Speaker 1: If those words, those should be the ones coming out
Speaker 1: the mouth of the President of the United States. That
Speaker 1: is all any of us want, is what Holman said,
Speaker 1: A respect for human life and just human dignity. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're here illegally, you're still a human being.
Speaker 1: You got to go, but we are going to treat
Speaker 1: you as a decent person as we have to escort
Speaker 1: you out. That's okay, Robes, that line, I'm gonna save it.
Speaker 1: It's going to be our quote of the day tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That line is what we need it from somebody.
Speaker 3: I got chills thinking about this. Yes, finally we have somebody.
Speaker 3: And it's not a coincidence that things are settling, de
Speaker 3: escalating and act actually feeling like America when you have
Speaker 3: someone say something that everybody can agree with. And this
Speaker 3: is exactly what we needed and who we needed. And
Speaker 3: thank god. Yes, it came too late for Alex Pretty
Speaker 3: and it came too late for Rene Good, but at
Speaker 3: least it finally came there isn't Hopefully this prevents another
Speaker 3: another tragedy which we were almost certainly headed towards. And
Speaker 3: thank god, I say thank God for Homan.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I am going to It's not
Speaker 1: his show now, but Rose, I'm gona take an opportunity
Speaker 1: every chance I get, General Honore. This country continues to
Speaker 1: owe him a debt right for what he did at Katrina.
Speaker 1: We remember how awful that world is. We can't get
Speaker 1: a bottle of water down to an American citizen in
Speaker 1: a week, and they sent this general down to New
Speaker 1: Orleans and everything changed, everything changed.
Speaker 2: He was a straight shooter.
Speaker 1: But treet It people like human beings, even if he
Speaker 1: had to give you tough news. That's Homan. These dudes
Speaker 1: remind me of each other and how they've taken over
Speaker 1: a tragedy in an American city. So are this Homan
Speaker 1: given is due?
Speaker 3: Leadership is giving everything everything.
Speaker 1: He changed everything. So just wanted to hop on and
Speaker 1: give you that breaking news update. But folks, keep an
Speaker 1: eye on what's happening on the streets of Minneapolis, and
Speaker 1: in Minnesota it should start to look a lot differently
Speaker 1: as the surge we are told is ending with that.
Speaker 1: Always appreciate you listening, folks, be honest with you. We
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Speaker 3: That's right, and just so you can know, Morning Run
Speaker 3: is gonna almost be Afternoon Run, but it's coming after this.
Speaker 3: We just wanted to get on record with this breaking
Speaker 3: news story and just be on the lookout for Morning
Speaker 3: on on this Thursday. But with that, everyone, thank you
Speaker 3: for listening. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside t J.
Speaker 2: Holmes. We will talk to you very soon.