WEBVTT - Hangin' with the Boys: Remembering Marion 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.800 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:19.920 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Blowing out of the backfield, 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:25.720 exploding down the sidelines. He's Hanging with the Boys, presented 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:30.680 by Windstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now, your hosts, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:38.360 Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross, we 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:44.040 are back. It's Monday here at the Star and you're 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.520 rocking with your boys. Hanging with the boys. Yeah, the Star. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.400 Right there, you have a live look of the Tostita 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.480 Championship Plaza where it's currently eighty six to grees high 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.360 of ninety seven today. We got a heat wave coming 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.400 a week, fella, So if you're a little musty, stay 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.680 away from me because it's gonna get. It's gonna get. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.800 It's gonna get toasty out here. The Goot's gonna get 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.760 toasty out here this week. So just make sure that 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.360 you are fresh and ready to go. Kurt, glad to 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.080 have you back, Bright to be back. Good to see 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.160 you guys. Yea, Nate, Yeah, I'm rocking, man, Let's do it. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.240 Our fearless leader is running a couple of minutes behind, 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.720 but that's okay because I'm always ready and willing to 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:31.080 get these reps in and uh, all right, kind of 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:38.640 a sad way to start our show today, and I'm 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.760 gonna keep it together. I think I've cried enough. But 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.840 last week, UM, we lost a great member of the 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:50.320 Dallas Cowboys team and a really good friend of mine. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:56.120 U Mariam Barbara passed away on Wednesday of last of 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:02.800 last week. UM. Still unknown cause of death, but that's 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.240 that's beside the point. UM. Marion has been a fan 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.639 favorite of Cowboy fans since the time that he entered 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.320 the league. And when you get high praise from a 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.240 coach like Bill Belichick who says he was almost a 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:21.440 perfect player, Parcel, I'm sorry, that's sorry, parcels um the 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:26.239 thing the thing that and we're all on a march 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.360 to death right, as morbid as that sound, but I 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.959 say that to say this at the end of it all, 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.880 I hope and pray when my time comes that I 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.920 get talked about the person that I was far greater 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.920 than anything that I've done, than any part of my 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.320 life on and off the football field of basketball court. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.959 And while Marian Barbara was a phenomenal football player, a 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.360 great teammate, UM, a hard Noserunner. He was one of 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:01.160 the greatest human beings that I've or in my life 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.880 come across. That's something I was hoping you could share 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.080 because he was a quiet guy in the media, and 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.920 I think most fans, I mean, I don't that person 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:12.760 of who he was and what he was like behind 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.720 the scenes, and what he was like for as a teammate. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.640 I think that a lot of that's a no, no no, 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.280 no and unknown for a lot of people. And it 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.560 wasn't that Marian did not want to talk to the 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.760 media or be a part of the media. He just 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.520 never wanted the attention. He never wanted it to be 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:32.480 about him. It was always about talk to my offensive lineman, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.760 talk to my quarterback, talk to my receivers. You know, 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.360 without those guys, I can never really get my job done. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.920 You would be hard pressed. And I'm willing to bet 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.240 a large amount of money that you will find anyone 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.080 who has ever been a teammate of Marian Barber say 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.480 anything negative about who he was as a teammate and 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.880 as a person. Like we hear a lot of times, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.960 and then it's it's a kind of the cliche of 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.200 you know, he'd give his shirt off his back for 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.440 for you. Yeah, I've watched Mary and do that. I've 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.760 watched him be that giving not only to me but 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.960 to strangers, to people, and you know, before the height 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.320 of social media, like he was doing stuff like that. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.560 You know, five hundred grand took a new computers for 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.440 kids in South Dallas. I mean the countless camps that 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.800 he gave. And I mean this was a guy, his 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.200 offensive lineman. When it came time for gift giving, they 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.000 never they never were shot on a gift because he 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.760 appreciated them that much. I can sit here and talk 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.039 for hours on the person he was and what he 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.600 meant to me and done for me. But it's it's 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.280 sad that at thirty eight years old, his birthday is 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.640 the tenth of Junie be Through turning thirty nine years old, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.040 that we lost an iconic and I do say iconic 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:54.839 person in society. And and the thing that I guess 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.240 frustrates me the most in the day and time that 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:03.760 we live in is we're so quick to want to 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.640 point out and exploit flaws as if we're perfect, and 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.200 none of us are. We all have our our I 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.599 just think there's times and places for those type of things. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.080 And you know, we all know that Maria was battling 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.360 some demons that you know just are tough. And when 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.359 Nate and I coming here and we talk about the 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.800 game of football, and I say this over and over 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.320 and over again, every time you step off that football field, 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.120 you are less than. And what I mean less than, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.960 I don't mean the I don't mean you as a person. Yes, 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.880 you as a person, but this game takes something away 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:46.400 from you. Every single time. I'm thirty eight years old, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.640 I feel the effects. Nates sixty years old, and he 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.600 can tell you the delictey of things that he deals 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.120 with on a day to day basis because of this game. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.960 And some of us are able to work and manage 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:06.400 through it, and others others aren't. But just no fans 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.560 that that people that they're the people under those helmets, 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:15.839 there's a human Those aren't superheroes, those aren't machines, those 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:22.800 aren't these mythical feature figures. Underneath those helmets and those 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.400 pads and the muscles and the extreme talent and the 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:27.919 thing that you see them to do on day in 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:33.200 a day out basis are human beings. And this game 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.480 takes a lot from you. When you're done. It gives 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.279 you a whole bunch, It changes your life forever, but 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.640 in the same breath, it takes a whole lot from you. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:50.080 And and as long as I have living left on 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.760 this earth, which none of us know how much, as 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.160 young as I may feel, and thirty eight years old 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.120 as a young age, I don't know what part of 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.200 the I don't I don't know what part of the 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.359 the the the spectrum I'm sitting on. I could be 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.800 really old right now, because my number could be up soon. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.880 My number could be up old. But it's just one 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.880 of those things where we have to remember we're in 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.360 a We're in a really good moment right here. Don't 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.800 come in and mess that up. Um. One of those 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.560 things that that we have to just remember is just 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.240 to be kind of people, like to be kind of people, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.640 to give when you can give what you can um. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.600 And and and there's people like Marian Barber who was 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.400 on this earth and I only gave a tremendous amount 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.920 on the football field, he did a ton off of it. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:45.360 I'm gonna miss my friend, Um, I'm gonna miss my friend. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:50.040 And uh, if you are battling with something, if you 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:57.160 are going through something. UM, get get get help, get help, um, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:03.680 get help, get help, um, because it's out there for 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.840 you and you don't have to battle these things alone. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:13.560 And yeah, I'm gonna miss my friend. I'm gonna tell 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:18.640 you like him. Man. That mental thing it's so it's 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:25.080 so huge because it'll take your life. Man, and I'm 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.080 talking about living. You can be living, cannot be a 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.679 part of this world. And that's mental. That's some some 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.560 type of mental thing has gotten on you. And I 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.880 was hearing stories about marrying and people that I was 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:41.360 close to them, and I don't know how close you 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.719 were to him, just but I tell people like right here, Uh, 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.480 the government made a conservative effort years ago to start 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.680 limiting to help for the mental. And uh, every time 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.360 that we stick our hands in something, my great government, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.720 it ain't too many years later it raises his head. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.520 And now this mental thing is so huge. And that's 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.920 why I tell people be caulful when you're trying to 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.720 use the word mental, because it's some people out there 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.720 that has truly challenged. So don't just throw that around 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.640 like it's just you know, a handshake, you know how 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.199 you're doing. It's serious, you know, And he knows how 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:24.920 seriously it is. And I'm not going to try to 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.080 get into Maryan's life, but you know you don't. You 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.920 don't want that mental thing working on you. Um, you 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:37.240 got something or no, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. You know, 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.760 it's a kind of conversation when I came in, it's 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.240 all good, Um, and you talk about just the kind 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.520 of a person he is. Current coach on the Cowboys staff, 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:50.400 Skip Pete was also uh Marian's running back coach, and 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.880 he had something to say last week. Chris has that up, Chris, 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.400 if you can pull that up for us, Yes, it's 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.160 about a minute long. He had some words to to 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.040 talk and describe who Marian Barber was as a player 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.079 and as a person, a guy that I'm going to 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.800 truly miss, had opportunity to coach him for several years. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.760 Unbelievable person. I mean, the guy showed up every day, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.959 had a smile on his face, came to work. If 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.600 I could show anybody a model and a role to 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.040 develop a running back to play in this league, it 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.000 would be definitely marrying. I mean, the guy came to 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.480 work every day, practice hard every day, did a great 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.560 job in the meetings, every day. He was a little 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.880 bit like obviously his name Barbarian as a player, very physical, 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.079 very physical player as a runner, as a protector, and 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.040 had the ability to run routes out of the backfield. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.040 Very unique in that way. But I think the thing 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:38.920 that maybe a lot of you really don't know about 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.920 him is that he was an unbelievable person. Give the 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.640 shirt off his back, invite people over his house, cooked 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.280 dinner for him. He was stopped by my home, play 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.480 with my kids when they were young, and very personable 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.280 in that way. I mean, he was very shy when 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.360 he got to doing what I'm doing right now, but 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.880 one on one, was very very entertaining to talk to. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.000 Hadn't really spoke to him in recent years besides when 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.319 I just first got back a man. I'm going to 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.679 remember as a guy coached, how he came in this 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.600 building every single day, what he meant to his friends 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.400 and what he meant to me, the guys he played with, 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.080 and the determination to try to make everyone a little 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:23.319 bit better person. Just add a question for you on 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.640 this topic of mental health. You know, I know you're 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.680 an advocate for mental health, and I think there's you know, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.120 I know, people that have been affected greatly by you know, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.600 mental health. There's two sides to it. I think one 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:42.120 is if you're struggling, right, If you're struggling, how do 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.319 you reach out or what do you do because it's 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.679 hard to take that first step right. And then the 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.280 other side is if you're if you're a friend or 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.400 a family member, you may not see the signs or 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.680 you may not know what's you know, you may not 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.040 know what's going on, but you can tell something's a 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.520 little off. How do you as you know, talk a 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.600 little bit about if you need help, what should somebody do? 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.640 And then if you're if you're seeing something that's off, 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.040 what can you do to check in? You know, check 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.040 on them because they're most people are gonna be I'm fine, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.880 I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. But you can tell 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.160 something's not right, like speak a little. I know you're 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:17.840 a big advocate about it. Yeah, let me let me 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.240 start with the second one. First, if you're a friend 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.760 or family member or sibling, whatever it is, and that 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.240 person and you see that person in your life maybe 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.400 struggling with something, um, the constant check in because the 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.400 biggest thing when it comes to mental health it's one. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.920 It can be a little bit embarrassing, especially when you 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:42.640 talk about a person of status. Right you for so 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.880 long you've been feeling of invincibility, right and for so 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.840 long you've been looked at as this this this figure 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.480 of strength of just stability, and when you aren't, it's 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.400 sometimes a little bit embarrassing and kind of almost intimidating 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.200 to reach out for help. And so as a friend 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.000 or someone on the outside looking them, the best thing 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:09.079 to do is to be honest with them, to show 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.880 them that you can truly be trusted with their vulnerability. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.040 Continue to be patient with them, because if you're saying 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.360 get help, get help, get help, get help, that doesn't 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.320 push me to go and get help. It's hey, I'm 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.120 here for you. You want to talk, let's talk. And 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:29.080 and don't don't listen to respond, don't listen to have 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.520 an answer, Listen to love that person, Listen to care 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.160 about that person, Listen to actually what they are saying, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.040 and then try to be an advocate for them when 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.480 they're facing those tough times. And then on the flip 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.439 side of things, if you're if you are that person 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.640 and you're sitting in that seat and you don't feel 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:52.480 like yourself and you don't understand what's happening. I mean, 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.480 of course you look at Google. That's a powerful tool, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:59.200 but but just understand that it is okay not to 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.480 be okay. We we we so much so in this 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.360 world that we live in today, especially the social media 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.840 driven world, is we have to put up this facade 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.679 of I am this or I am that, or I 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.480 am good, or I am above this or above that. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.320 And the whole time you're you're you're you're crying, and 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.960 you're dying inside and and and it's okay. It's okay 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.280 to understand that something is not right, and it's okay 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.640 to go out and seek those things or those people 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:33.400 who are here to literally help you. That help is 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.440 something that we must um uh look at as a 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.840 place of comfort and a place of It's like it's 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.480 like lifting weights. It's it's when you're a weak in 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.080 the position and strength you go when you try to 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.560 lift weights to get stronger. It's the same thing when 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.800 you're struggling a little bit weak in your mental health, 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.680 going to see a therapist, going to see a psychiatrists. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.400 That is the that is the calisthetics of the brain 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.160 of getting yourself stronger and better. So don't look at 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.760 it as a weakness. Look at it as that that 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.480 that I just need to strengthen myself in some areas 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.480 and I'm open for some improvement and to seek that help. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.520 And that's that fine line to be between of um 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.720 of knowing and going to get that help and as 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.320 a friend being there supporting that person too they get 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.800 that help, and then helping them through that process. Because 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.160 you're going to have some great days and you're gonna 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.400 have some hellish days. And when you have those hellish days, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.880 you need that support group to be there for you 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.200 to encourage you, to lift you up, that community to 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.400 be strong. And I tell people, random people, if there's 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.120 ever anything that I could ever do, talk to you know, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.600 kick it, whatever it is to kind of help you 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.880 get through that. I am more than willing to do that. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.280 And it takes a community of people to to to 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.920 wrap their arms around people a person or people to 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:55.880 furthermore UM kind of eliminate that stigma of UM of 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:00.200 mental health being a bad thing, or suffering from mental 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.680 health is a bad thing, and it makes you kind 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.600 of um less than when you're one hundred percent hole, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.120 you just need help in certain areas. Do you think 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.080 that you know, the NFL has tried to address this 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.120 problem in recent years and help it. Do you think 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.400 there are are taking the right steps they need do 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.240 mores or something different? It can be done. I think 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.320 there's more. There's always more that you can do. And 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.000 especially when it hit you some uh with somewhere close 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.720 and again it comes that can the NFL or other 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.640 people do more? Yes, but can that person that's suffering 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.920 also get you know, you know, want to want to 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.480 have that help uh and that you know, to be 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.160 honest with that, that with some of the battle that 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.800 that we all fought with maryon was you know, getting 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:45.320 that help consistently uh for him, you know. And and 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.080 so yeah, the NFL can do more. And I think 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.240 as we get more and more, um, we see more 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.560 and more of it now. I know that they started 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:58.560 the NFLPA has started a program where uh for for 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.600 for current players and for or retire players, if you 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.400 are going to get any sort of mental health treatment, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:09.480 whether that be therapy or psychiatric or any any type 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.800 of medical health thing, is that they're doing a one 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.240 hundred percent reimbursement of it. So you go and you 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.280 get that treatment, and you get that therapy, whatever it 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.560 is that you need at the NFLPA will reimburse you 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.639 for those costs that it may take. Some players have insurance, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.440 former players have insurance. Some don't. But it's it's it's 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.480 it's another step in being able to get the help 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:39.280 that you need while you're playing and post playing career, 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.119 because that's when a lot of it really talks to hit, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.119 when you get to that post playing career. For players, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.480 I'll tell you this if there's anybody that's listening. I 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.120 know this is a football show, but you know, if 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.600 you're struggling with something, or if you just don't feel right, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.040 if you're angry all of a sudden and you never 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.640 used to be, or if something's just you don't feel yourself, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.800 it's it's kind of it's cool to go to a 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.280 counseling session. Go once and it and just to me, 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.000 I've been and I've always been like I don't need that, 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.360 and and my my counselor told me after a few sessions, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.159 like you really don't need this. If you want to 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.000 keep doing this, like you know, there's you know, it's 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.360 fine to keep coming or whatever, But like, it's very enlightening, 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.719 it's very it's educational. It lets you understand more about yourself, 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.360 it helps you deal with it may not be anything 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.080 with you, but it helps you deal with people. It 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.040 helps you learn how to talk to people. It helps 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.040 you learn how to use your eye, words, and you 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.320 know those things. I never thought I would ever go 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.200 to counseling, and I went, and you know, I had 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.359 reasons why I went and I but it was a 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.000 really cool process. And I had always put this stigma 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.960 on it, like I'm I'm this hard ass, like crusty 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.639 old dude. I don't need anybody telling me like you 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.480 need to change who you are. And it really wasn't 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.879 like that. It was really just you know, talking to 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.800 somebody seeing a different point of view, and it was 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.720 very I see where that could be possible, and that 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.240 how do I deal with that? How do I work 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.560 with people this way? So it's very it's not just 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.840 you know, I don't feel I grew up thinking that 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:15.960 something had to be wrong with you to go to counseling. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.400 A lot of people, yeah, a lot of people, it's 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.720 almost it's you know what I the equivalent and I'm 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.760 gonna make light of this, and it's not a light situation, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.399 but it's like what we talk about on the show, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.960 going and get into pedicure or a manicure. It's like 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.080 there's this stigma on it, but once you go, you're like, 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.479 I might go back. That's actually kind of cool. And 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.959 it's especially if you just take it as I just 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.040 want to go talk to someone, because it's someone you 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.560 don't know. It's someone that has no preconceived notions about you. 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.200 They don't know what you do for work, they don't 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.439 know what your story is, they don't know you as 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.639 a person, and then they're just honest with you and 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.520 it's very enlightening and it's it's educational, and I think 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.720 everybody should go a few times, even if you don't 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.040 need it, just go because it's a it's a life 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.399 experience that you know, and for people that are struggling, 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.879 I mean, it could ultimately save your life. Oh you know, 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.880 save mine. I tell legs right here. You know, if 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.680 you want to get to know yourself, if you truly 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.600 want to get to know yourself, you know, and all 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.760 these things that you guys have talked about, if nothing else, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.600 that person that's trying to help you going to say 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.760 who are you? And you get to tell this person 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.280 and you hope that yourself and I'm hoping I'm saying 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.080 right is listening. Yeah. So that's how I look at it. 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.520 If you want to get to know yourself, go in 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.400 the room with nobody that, like you said, no preconceived notions, 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.160 They don't know you, and you get to tell who 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.320 you are and what you feel and what makes you 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:54.000 feel that way, and listen to yourself talk. It's almost like, yeah, 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.800 it's almost like when you were a kid and you 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.440 you talk a certain way, you hear yourself as certain way, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.280 and then when you you know, for me, it was 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.439 a cassette tape and you recorded your voice for the 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.080 first time and then you heard it, you're like, oh 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.000 my god, like that's me. That's kind of the same 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:14.120 way with therapy, Like you think you you are this 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.560 person and you go in and then someone tells you 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.200 this is what I see and you're like, holy crap, 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.280 that's not what I thought at all. Ye. Right now, 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.600 layers pulled back, man, those layers are pulled back, and 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.320 you under you discover, like you said, you discover more 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:30.960 about who you are. I'll end on. Um, just a 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:35.280 story about marrying that again. I have a hundred of them. Um, 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.359 two quick stories. One we laughing joke on this show, right, 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.720 and it's what do you guys call me? Right? You see? 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.600 Well you amen, you know the prophet that you know 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.359 all that kind of stuff, right. Well, one thing that 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.640 I am comfort in knowing that I knew that Mary 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.640 and knew the Lord, and um, he would always call me. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:22:00.560 He would always call me, Um, Jeremiah Hollygrove. You call 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.560 me Jeremiah Hollygrove. And if you know anything about Jeremiah, right, 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.719 he was a weefing prophet, right. So when you so 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.040 when we laugh at joke about being called the prophet, 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.399 like Marion had been calling me that for years. He 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.000 was like, oh man, you you Jeremiah called and he 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.000 called me Jeremiah holly Grove, Jeremiah Hollygrove. Like you tell it, man, 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:18.920 you you tell it like it is man, you you 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.320 Jeremiah Hollygrove. He would always like, man, read Jeremiah, you 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:26.560 you Jeremiah. Man, you Jeremiah Hollygrove. And so um I 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.679 laughed because like you know, you hear things and you 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.480 see things coming to fruition and he's like, man, you 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.400 Jeremiah holly Grove. And then another story just about how 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.359