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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the CBO says Trump's tax cuts

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Speaker 1: would add three point eight trillion.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today, Slate

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Speaker 1: Dahlia Lethwick stops by to talk about the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: defying the courts. Then we'll talk to former Congresswoman Katie

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Speaker 1: Porter about her run from California governor and how she

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Speaker 1: would handle the sea change she sees happening in the

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: Bi There's this guy, Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 3: not very good at his job. There's this big beautiful bill,

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Speaker 3: one big beautiful bill, and it's hit a few bumps

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Speaker 2: It's a big beautiful bill.

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson got this job because he was to Trump,

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Speaker 1: not because he was good at legislating, not even because

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Speaker 1: got this job because he's sucked up to Trump. One

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Speaker 1: because they're just suck ups right that Trump likes them.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in this administration who

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Speaker 2: It's affirmative action for sycoventcy.

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Speaker 1: Right. If you're good at sucking up, you can go

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Speaker 1: far in this administration aka Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 1: So we're about to see a lot of stuff go

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get it. What's happening right now is

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Speaker 1: you have the hardline Republicans who never vote for anything

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Speaker 1: So Trump came down this week. He went and said,

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Speaker 1: You'll remember that the last time we were in the

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Speaker 3: So by speaking of Congress, we unfortunately have a very

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Speaker 3: Jerry Connolly has died at seventy five after his battle

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Speaker 1: You'll remember that AOC had wanted ranking oversight. It had

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a real open question, Samlly.

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Speaker 3: One are the great signs that we're heading into a

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Speaker 3: So I saved the scariest news for last. Diseases are spreading,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, this is this whole Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: But I haven't seen any other dead birds.

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Speaker 1: Be the horror movie that we were all hoping to apply.

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Speaker 1: Dalia Ltswick is a senior editor at Slate and the

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Speaker 1: author of Lady Justice, Women, The Law, and the Battle

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Speaker 1: to Save America.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast.

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Speaker 1: Politics, my friend, and also one of the smartest legal

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Speaker 1: minds we have going Dalia.

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Speaker 5: I just also want to congratulate you on the book

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks of Trump's Supreme Court. One

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Speaker 5: So this is nominally a case about you know, the

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Speaker 5: If you're born in the United States and your parents

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Speaker 5: And this was enjoined by every single court that looked

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Speaker 5: Like dumb, dumb, Like it's very clear the court has

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Speaker 5: idea of nationwide quote unquote universal injunctions. No single judge

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Speaker 5: up a lot of arguments Mollie where you know, you're

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Speaker 5: And the reason it's so important is like it's easy

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Speaker 5: Okay, So essentially what I sensed from the court was

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Speaker 5: But instead they're going to decide this like readively thorny

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Speaker 5: Maybe there's no rule of law anymore. It was really

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Speaker 1: They are pretty seismic. I don't remember. If you're the

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Speaker 5: an incredibly important case about gender Firm and care Scermetti

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Speaker 5: that the court heard. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: important cases, voting rights case, there's a lot coming down,

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Speaker 5: and in any normal term like that would be huge.

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Speaker 5: It's also just like almost in contrast to the stuff

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Speaker 5: we're seeing suspension of habeas corpus, invocation of the Alien

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Speaker 5: Enemies Act, right, claims of that willy nilly, you can

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Speaker 5: fire half of the federal government, it feels almost like

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Speaker 5: small ball, right, because it's like they're on this trajectory

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Speaker 5: of just basically, you know, we're going to try to

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Speaker 5: you know, choke off voting rights. We're going to try

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Speaker 5: to do away with whatever is left in terms of

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Speaker 5: a wall between church and state. We're going to make

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Speaker 5: it harder for trans kids to get gender for me care.

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Speaker 5: Like all that stuff is hugely consequential and compared to

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Speaker 5: like the absolutely thermonuclear stuff happening on the so called

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Speaker 5: shadow docket, right on the emergency dock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's happening on the shadow docket? Just the Garcia case,

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Speaker 1: this kind of the Abrago Garcia.

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Speaker 2: Yea, it's these.

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Speaker 5: Every day, it's the orders every single day, and you know,

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Speaker 5: to be clear, last Friday, the quarter, like the court

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Speaker 5: you know, late Friday afternoon, like smack down another you know,

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Speaker 5: in another immigration case. Yeah, it's Justice as Alito and

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Speaker 5: Thomas dissenting.

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Speaker 2: So I say that remind me that case.

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Speaker 1: What was that case?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 5: That was the sort of part two of that ARP

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Speaker 5: case about whether they could be uh deporting people from

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Speaker 5: the Northern District of Texas. This was like the part

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Speaker 5: one was the April order where they're like, don't put

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Speaker 5: those people on those planes, right like that was that

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Speaker 5: was the one in the morning order where they didn't

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Speaker 5: even wait for Justice Alito to file his descent. They

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Speaker 5: just were like, no, you cannot. And we also the

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Speaker 5: video right of the buses being turned around. So this

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Speaker 5: was an extension of that saying still can't do that.

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Speaker 5: Still you know, angry descent from Justices Alito and Thomas.

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Speaker 5: But really, I think what you're sort of servicing here,

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Speaker 5: and it's really important, is that we are in this

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Speaker 5: just galactic game of chicken between the Supreme Court and

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Speaker 5: the you know, Trump dhs and the you know ways

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Speaker 5: in which Trump has continued to defy. Right, there's a

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Speaker 5: standing order about Abrego Garcia. They're standing orders about these

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Speaker 5: folks deserve you know, habeas corpus, They deserve due process.

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Speaker 5: You can't like shuttle them out with five minutes warning

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Speaker 5: without giving them a chance to you know, appeal. And

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Speaker 5: those are being violated sort of seriatum now. And so

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Speaker 5: I think what we're going to see happening on that

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Speaker 5: shadow docket is a court that is really aware that

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is daring them, like he's basically in a

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Speaker 5: like staring contest with them. And I think that not

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Speaker 5: only is this all going to percolate on the shadow docket, Frankly,

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Speaker 5: I don't understand how a Supreme Court reporters are going

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Speaker 5: to get a summer molly, because I don't think this

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Speaker 5: ends on the last day of June. But I think

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Speaker 5: the other thing, I mean, this is how I'm starting

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Speaker 5: to think about it, is that last year, a year ago,

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Speaker 5: when the Supreme Court decided the immunity case, they kind

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Speaker 5: of created an imperial president, right, they said, we are

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Speaker 5: the Imperial Court, we decide all the things. They've been

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Speaker 5: doing it for years ago. Nar Yeah, and we are

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Speaker 5: creating a monarchic presidency, the executive branch. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: that case gets cited all the time for the preposition

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Speaker 5: that Donald Trump can do whatever the hell he wants so.

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Speaker 2: Now, and it's excited in his brain test.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it gave him everything he wanted. Right if

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Speaker 5: the president does it, it's not illegal. And that's what

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Speaker 5: he says over and over again, and on these questions

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Speaker 5: of like on matters of foreign policy, like I'm the decider,

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Speaker 5: and I think that these gang members are like invading

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Speaker 5: aliens from Venezuela, and that's like nobody can check me

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Speaker 5: on it. So I think the way I'm starting to

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Speaker 5: think about what's happening, particularly on the shadow docket, which is,

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Speaker 5: as I said, just swamping the regular doctrine that's being made,

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Speaker 5: is this imperial off where you have the imperial president

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Speaker 5: and the Imperial court and somebody's going to have to win.

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Speaker 5: And so it's kind of like this like Godzilla, like

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Speaker 5: King Kong, you know, who's the big boss. And I

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Speaker 5: think they're both half trying to save face in front

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Speaker 5: of the country, and I think they're also both really

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Speaker 5: aware that this is coming, like it's only going to

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Speaker 5: ratchet in one direction, and so that's I think what

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Speaker 5: you're seeing these sort of in and out you know,

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Speaker 5: split the baby hypertechnical decisions from the court that are

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Speaker 5: trying to let Donald Trump say face. He won't even

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Speaker 5: take his wins. He's like, but I want more and

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Speaker 5: more and more. And then it's just really this fascinating,

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Speaker 5: like you can't have an imperial both. There's one emperor

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Speaker 5: in town, and that's going to get sorted. I think

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Speaker 5: over the summer.

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Speaker 7: We have two minutes left, and because you and I

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Speaker 7: are actually friends, we get together and make each other

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Speaker 7: sad about American democracy. We get to have a moment

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Speaker 7: of hilarity, which is habeas corpus. Oh boy, by the way,

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Speaker 7: all of those hearings are like amazing, Every single one

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Speaker 7: of the hearings on budget are like the blockbuster must

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Speaker 7: see TV. So Maggie Hassen gets up there and says,

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Speaker 7: what is habeas corpus?

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Speaker 2: And here we go.

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Speaker 1: Christy Noms says, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that

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Speaker 1: the president has to be able to remove people from

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Speaker 1: this country.

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Speaker 5: Right, and some wegg on Blue Sky skeated that is

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Speaker 5: the wrongest, wrong answer about what I like, you couldn't

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Speaker 5: get wronger than that declamation and like just to be

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Speaker 5: and and it was explained back to her, but it

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Speaker 5: is literally the opposite of the president, the opposite disappear

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Speaker 5: whoever he wants. Habeas corpus, this ancient writ you know,

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Speaker 5: show us the body the government can't hold you without

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Speaker 5: giving you a chance to understand why. That's what it means.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that, you know, president gets to like

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Speaker 5: rendition you to Seacot. Nobody asks any questions. But I think,

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Speaker 5: and maybe this is a little like sort of sad

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Speaker 5: face on the hilarity. They're they're conditioning us, right, this

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Speaker 5: is a way of getting American viewers to be like, oh,

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Speaker 5: habeas corpus. That's when the president can send people away

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Speaker 5: to other countries for life without any possibility of legal process.

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Speaker 5: And that is essentially, by the way, what Stephen Miller

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Speaker 5: was saying, right Brian, he was like to spend it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: So like I think we have to simultaneously take it

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Speaker 5: like hilariously, which it is, and like, you know, it's

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Speaker 5: so dumb as a rock off out there right now.

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Speaker 7: Like it is just and.

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Speaker 5: The dumbness of the rocks. But I also think we

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Speaker 5: have to understand that this is an effort to message

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Speaker 5: something that is really perticious and dangerous, and like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is the world they want to be in, where

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Speaker 5: Habeas Corpus is upside down, or William the president gets

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Speaker 5: to do what he wants.

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Speaker 1: They are not sending their best, but it isn't you know.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Dahlia.

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Speaker 5: Congrats on the book. Mine.

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Speaker 1: Katie Porter is a former congresswoman and a candidate for

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Speaker 1: the governor of California. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Katie Porter,

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Speaker 1: so happy to be here with you. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: your governor. Run California, fifth largest economy in the world,

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Speaker 1: complicated state in a complicated moment.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the opportunity here for our next governor

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Speaker 4: is to really lean in and lead. And the Democratic

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Speaker 4: Party is clearly in need of leadership. And that's what

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Speaker 4: a governor's job is, and it's the job not only

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Speaker 4: to lead the government of California, but California's next governor

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Speaker 4: is going to need to lead the Democratic Party forward

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Speaker 4: in big and place. And I think I have a

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Speaker 4: really terrific kind of set of experiences there around both

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Speaker 4: being a champion on things that are really important long

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Speaker 4: term core priorities for Democrats, like fighting climate change, and

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Speaker 4: also being someone who ran and won in a swing

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Speaker 4: district who hung onto that seat in a swing district

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Speaker 4: and knows how to bring voters toward the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: And so we do need to grow our party. And

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Speaker 4: I think I have experience having done that right here

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Speaker 4: in Orange County in a really effective way. That could

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Speaker 4: make me an effective leader not just for California on

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Speaker 4: the policy issues, but for California on the political issues

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Speaker 4: in a way that will help Democrats nationally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, explained to us what that looks like. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think maybe we should start with the wildfires.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the wildfires are huge issues in California, and what

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Speaker 4: they illuminate is that we have a couple of different

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Speaker 4: crises coming together here to create affordability problems. So it

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Speaker 4: is already very expensive to live in California. We are

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Speaker 4: already dealing with a lot of the consequences of what

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Speaker 4: big polluters have done and the consequences of climate change,

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Speaker 4: and that is now adding to the risk of people

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Speaker 4: not having insurance or having insurance that is unaffordable. We

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Speaker 4: need to be doing that wildfire mitigation at the state

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Speaker 4: level so that rate payers, that consumers are not paying

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Speaker 4: those things, but we're getting the work done. The get

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Speaker 4: segnor is going to have to own this wildfire issue,

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Speaker 4: is going to have to own this insurance issue, and

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Speaker 4: we're going to have to do it in a time

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Speaker 4: when Trump is making things more complicated. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a very false choice that some demo crats are buying

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Speaker 4: into about whether or not we should a stand up

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Speaker 4: for Trump or be focused on affordability. They are one

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Speaker 4: and the same because it is Trump's exact policies right now,

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Speaker 4: whether it's tariffs or pulling funding to fight climate change,

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Speaker 4: that is driving California's affordability crisis, and the wildfires is

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Speaker 4: just one example of that.

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Speaker 1: We are having wildfires in other states too, which is

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Speaker 1: what we thought was going Is forest management at all

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Speaker 1: to blame for what's happened with the wildfires?

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Speaker 2: I know that also climate change.

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Speaker 1: Is the largest part of it, but like twenty years

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Speaker 1: ago California had stricter forest management, do you think that

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Speaker 1: is to.

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Speaker 2: Blame it all or now?

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Speaker 4: So the solution here is going to be thinking about

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Speaker 4: how do we do forest management, how do we do

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Speaker 4: that in the context of where climate change has left us?

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Speaker 4: So when you have a year round fire season, what

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Speaker 4: appropriate forest mitigation looks like is different when you have

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Speaker 4: storms with really high winds, when you have have longer

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Speaker 4: drought seasons, then what appropriate forest management looks like. These things,

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Speaker 4: by the way, also change how you think about hardening,

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Speaker 4: how you think about construction rules, how you think about

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Speaker 4: rebuilding in places or building in places that are at risk.

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Speaker 4: So the effects here, and I think California is just

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Speaker 4: at the beginning of what a lot of other states

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Speaker 4: are going to be sadly having to confront is these

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Speaker 4: policies have to be revisited and our investment in these

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Speaker 4: strategies have to be reset in light of where we

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Speaker 4: are with regard to claimate. So I do think we're

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Speaker 4: seeing the governor and the federal government hopefully are going

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Speaker 4: to be able to come together and find strategies to

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Speaker 4: deal with this because wildfires are going to continue to

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Speaker 4: be a challenge. And I think we hear so much

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Speaker 4: in Congress about helping people with hurricanes, and it's always like, well,

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Speaker 4: there's nothing they can do with the hurricane, But yet

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Speaker 4: when it's wildfires, there's this effort to kind of put

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Speaker 4: blame on people. These are natural phenomenon that are being

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Speaker 4: driven and fueled and made worse by climate change, and

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Speaker 4: so we hones see the same support for mitigation and

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Speaker 4: the same support for responding and rebuilding for wildfire that

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Speaker 4: we see with hurricane because they are both kind of

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Speaker 4: driven by the same kinds of fueled by climate change,

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Speaker 4: made worse by climate change, but they're naturally occurring phenomenon,

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Speaker 4: So forest management definitely has a part of this. I

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Speaker 4: would also add that the federal government is the biggest

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Speaker 4: landholder in California, and so making sure that the federal

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Speaker 4: government is putting money into wildfire mitigation and the wildland firefighters,

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Speaker 4: the people who do that work. I fought very hard

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Speaker 4: in Congress for better pay, better mental health benefits, better

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Speaker 4: recruitment strategies for our wildman firefighters, and that is something

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Speaker 4: that I really hope Donald Trump will step up and do.

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Speaker 4: Rather than just casting aspersions, he will try to actually

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Speaker 4: be part of delivering solutions. So that I think is

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Speaker 4: really important that we point the finger squarely back at

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Speaker 4: the federal government. You need to be investing in wildfire

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Speaker 4: prevention and mitigation as well as California doing its part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure the federal government. I'm sure he'll be

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Speaker 1: hot to do that. As they disassemble FEMA. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that people are very critical of California for

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Speaker 1: is regulation. And in some ways, I think California has

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Speaker 1: some really great regulation, like you have your own organic

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Speaker 1: food standard, which is incredible, but it does take longer

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Speaker 1: to build there, it's more expensive to build there. So

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Speaker 1: talk to me about sort of why the regulation in

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Speaker 1: California is so complicated and why people keep butting heads

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Speaker 1: with it so much.

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Speaker 4: So California should not back away from our core values

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Speaker 4: and goals, things like making sure consumers have information that

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Speaker 4: they need to make decisions about what they're going to purchase,

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Speaker 4: making sure that we're protecting our environment, making sure that

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Speaker 4: workers are safe, for example, in workplaces that are increasingly

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Speaker 4: hot or in jobs that are dangerous as the science

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Speaker 4: evolves about that. The values are there, and I very

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Speaker 4: much embrace them, and I know that's where California voters are.

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Speaker 4: The question is how do we how do we operationalize that,

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Speaker 4: How do we make those regulations right size to the problem.

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Speaker 4: And I do think there is a role for the

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Speaker 4: next governor to come in and say, the goal is clear,

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Speaker 4: the goal is protecting workers. Now let's look at all

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Speaker 4: the regulations we have. Is there a way to make

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Speaker 4: these fit together better, to harmonize these, to make them

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Speaker 4: more clear. And being more clear, by the way, doesn't

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Speaker 4: just make them easier to comply with, it also makes

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Speaker 4: them easier to do enforcement against those who break the les.

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Speaker 4: So what California has a very active, innovative, thoughtful legislature.

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Speaker 4: That is one of our strengths. The flip side of

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Speaker 4: that is they enact thousands of bills a year and

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Speaker 4: that can lead to a bunch of little things that

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Speaker 4: sometimes past year over year, decade over decade, don't fit together.

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Speaker 4: So our environmental quality acts SEEQUA, the California Environmental Quality Act.

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Speaker 4: The principle there which is that we have to consider

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Speaker 4: the environmental impact of what we build. That is absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: The question is is that being used. Is that working

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Speaker 4: to actually protect our environment or is that being used

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Speaker 4: to allow for people to litigate, for things to be

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Speaker 4: slowed down, for people to drive up costs, for people

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Speaker 4: to say no in their backyard for desperately needed things

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Speaker 4: like housing. And if the answer is it's not working

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Speaker 4: to do the goal of protecting the environment, it's being

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Speaker 4: misused and even abused, then we have to be willing

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Speaker 4: to go back and revisit that. So we have a

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Speaker 4: terrific bill in the legislature right now that would exempt

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Speaker 4: from our Environmental Quality Act infill housing housing in areas

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Speaker 4: that are already zoned for residential. Right you're putting a

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Speaker 4: new apartment building between two existing apartment buildings. There's no

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Speaker 4: real environmental impact there. We shouldn't be adding years to

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Speaker 4: the cost and by the way, the dollars that come

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Speaker 4: with the years to the cost of building that kind

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Speaker 4: of infil housing. And we've seen the governor embrace that

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Speaker 4: bill now in his budget. I'm very excited about thinking

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Speaker 4: about how do we make sure these regulations are actually

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Speaker 4: doing what they tend to do. And I think there's

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Speaker 4: room to look fresh with fresh eyes at some things.

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Speaker 4: I'm out hot.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the homeless policy. It seems so

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Speaker 1: like that has not been a winner for news.

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Speaker 4: So California has made actually tremendous progress on providing more

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Speaker 4: resources for people who are experiencing homeless and I've seen

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Speaker 4: this right here in Orange County where we are built

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Speaker 4: some new shelters. We have fought better about how to

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Speaker 4: create both short term and longer term housing options for

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Speaker 4: people who are homeless. But The reality is we need

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Speaker 4: every community in California to step up and do its part,

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Speaker 4: and that means every community needs to do its part

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Speaker 4: in helping people and getting people who are encampments in

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Speaker 4: places where there's a safety issue and a public health

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Speaker 4: issue into permanent support of housing. We also need every

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Speaker 4: community in California to build and use some of those options.

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Speaker 4: So I think we've seen some real successes here around

743
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Speaker 4: homeless policy, but it's very uneven across the state, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's something the governor has appropriately focused on,

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Speaker 4: looking across cities and across counties and saying we we

746
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Speaker 4: have some best practices. Now you all need to get

747
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Speaker 4: in the game. Nobody gets to be on the sidelines

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Speaker 4: with regard to making sure that every Californian has safe housing.

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Speaker 4: The governor is putting his money behind this policy and

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Speaker 4: has been providing more funding for localities, and we need

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Speaker 4: to make sure they're following through and delivering. I think

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Speaker 4: the biggest piece when there's a lot of room for

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Speaker 4: California's next governor to take action, is around preventing homelessness

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Speaker 4: in the first place. Once someone experiences chronic street homelessness,

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Speaker 4: the chances that they experience, even if they didn't have

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Speaker 4: any mental health or any substance use problems when they

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Speaker 4: became homeless, years or months living on the street very

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Speaker 4: quickly create these kinds of traumas and these kinds of

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Speaker 4: chronic health problems. And so working on thinking about how

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Speaker 4: can we prevent homelessness. And we've seen some really good

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Speaker 4: pilot programs around doing this for people who are veterans,

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Speaker 4: for kids who are aging out of foster care, for

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Speaker 4: women or families who are fleeing violence. Now we need

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Speaker 4: to think about how can we step up those programs

765
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Speaker 4: to apply. So there's a healthy tension right now in

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Speaker 4: California between different different mayors, different who are using different approaches.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's good. I think what the Governor's

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Speaker 4: trying to take aimap and I support him on this

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Speaker 4: is localities. There are cities who are just saying we're

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Speaker 4: not going to do anything that's not acceptable, and so

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Speaker 4: everyone is hurt by this homelessness problem. It hurts California's reputation,

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Speaker 4: it hurts our ability to use our public resources to

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Speaker 4: be safe in our communities, and so I do think

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Speaker 4: it's appropriate for the governor to put some pressure on

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Speaker 4: every single state, whether that's legal pressure, whether that's financial

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Speaker 4: strings that are attached to funding. I think it's appropriate

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Speaker 4: to push those places that haven't gotten in the game

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Speaker 4: of trying to help to do so because we do

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Speaker 4: have research back strategies that are working.

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Speaker 2: California has all this money.

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Speaker 1: Trump is trying to use the federal government as this

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Speaker 1: sort of care and step With a lot of different states,

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Speaker 1: would you, if you became governor, think outside the box.

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Speaker 1: For example, in Maine, we saw Governor Jana Mills to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll take me to court. He took her

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Speaker 1: to courity laws. That's you know, he tends to live

787
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Speaker 1: in court. But I mean, California is a big enough state.

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Speaker 1: So if you got your the elephant, are you open

789
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Speaker 1: to more aggressive moves against us, against the federal government

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Speaker 1: if it comes to that.

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Speaker 4: Well, so California has, as you point out, we are

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Speaker 4: really large, and we are really vibrant, and we have

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Speaker 4: an amazing economy, and we have amazing people and a

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Speaker 4: lot of them. We also with that comes we have

795
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Speaker 4: some really big challenges, right and I think california exceptionalism

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Speaker 4: has sometimes meant that we think we can do it

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Speaker 4: without the federal government. So when the federal government goes

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Speaker 4: a different direction than California, we sometimes say we'll go

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Speaker 4: our own way. I think what we need to do

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Speaker 4: is say we are big, we are powerful, and you,

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Speaker 4: the federal government, need to help. So one of the

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Speaker 4: things that really surprised me when I was in Congress.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that I want to change as

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Speaker 4: California's next governor is making sure that there are tight

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Speaker 4: relationship ships between our governor and our legislature in California

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Speaker 4: and our senators and congressional representatives. Housing is the perfect example.

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Speaker 4: This has been the biggest challenge in California for at

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Speaker 4: least a decade, but it has barely registered at the

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Speaker 4: federal level as an issue. Homelessness, huge issue in California,

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Speaker 4: has barely registered as a major issue that we're hearing

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Speaker 4: about in Congress. And MOLLI that has been true when

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Speaker 4: Republicans were in charge, but it's also been true when

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Speaker 4: Democrats were in charge that those issues like housing costs

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Speaker 4: have not been top of mind. And so I do

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Speaker 4: think you've seen this with environmental regulations. California will do

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Speaker 4: its own thing on omissions, on tailpiper missions and we've

817
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Speaker 4: made real progress there, but what we ought to be

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Speaker 4: doing is saying we've shown this will work. Now we

819
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Speaker 4: need the federal government to embrace this policy so that

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Speaker 4: California is on a level playing field with other states.

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Speaker 4: So I do think we need to be more like

822
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Speaker 4: think outside the boxes you said about what our role

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Speaker 4: is visa VI, how we relate to the federal government.

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Speaker 4: We're thousands of miles from Washington, and I sometimes think

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Speaker 4: that lets leaders in California kind of put Washington out

826
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Speaker 4: of mind or simply call out Washington for being wrong.

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Speaker 4: That's appropriate, but we also have to lever Washington push

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Speaker 4: for them, and I watched it in Congress. Very small states,

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Speaker 4: very small delegations lever their power in Washington very effectively.

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Speaker 4: And boy, California needs to start doing that at this

831
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Speaker 4: moment with Trump in charge more than ever.

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Speaker 1: This is one of these blue state governatorial primaries.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people.

834
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Speaker 1: Running, a lot of money. How do you run in

835
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Speaker 1: a primary like this? It's such a different environment than

836
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Speaker 1: running for Congress, especially you come from swing district. Talk

837
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Speaker 1: us through how do you differentiate yourself when you're all

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Speaker 1: from the same party.

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Speaker 4: Well, so, governor is a leadership job right, We're all

840
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Speaker 4: going to have many of the same values. There are

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Speaker 4: differences among these candidates. We're seeing different approaches to climate change,

842
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Speaker 4: We're seeing different approaches to healthcare. But you're right, we're

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Speaker 4: going to share by a few values as Democrats. But

844
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Speaker 4: leadership and the quality of leadership matters. So I think

845
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Speaker 4: one of the things I bring to the race is

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Speaker 4: a level of impatience, a willingness to say we can't

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Speaker 4: just keep on in the same way that we have.

848
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Speaker 4: There is a need for Democrats to be more energetic,

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Speaker 4: to fight harder, to deliver faster on the goals and

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Speaker 4: promises that we make to voters. And so I think

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Speaker 4: temperamentally and kind of the moment that I came into

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Speaker 4: politics make me different that le like, Look, I decided

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Speaker 4: to run for Congress the first time because Donald Trump

854
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Speaker 4: became president, and now here I am deciding to run

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Speaker 4: for governor because guess what, Donald Trumps president. So having

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Speaker 4: spent my whole political career in this very polarized, very

857
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Speaker 4: frustrating political world, we're in very comfortable navigating in that.

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Speaker 4: I think we've seen some Democrats kind of be knocked

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Speaker 4: on their heels. What do we do, They throw up

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Speaker 4: their hands. I'm not part of that. And I look

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Speaker 4: at some of my colleagues, Abigail Spanberger, other people who

862
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Speaker 4: are running for governor or we understand what it means

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Speaker 4: to lead and push Democrats forward. With the forces of

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Speaker 4: Trump in power or certainly very present in our political environment.

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Speaker 4: I think the other thing you know is that our

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Speaker 4: next governor is going to have to think about how

867
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Speaker 4: to move the Democratic Party forward. California needs to be

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Speaker 4: the example of Democrats succeeding a thriving So how do

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Speaker 4: we grow our economy, how do we build more housing,

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Speaker 4: how do we deliver We need to have those examples

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Speaker 4: at the ready so that California becomes the reason that

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Speaker 4: voters around the country should vote Democrats, rather than being

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Speaker 4: offered as the counter example around the country. And I

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Speaker 4: think California has a lot to offer on that front.

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Speaker 4: And so thinking about that and really being conscious of

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Speaker 4: decisions we make have political consequences not just in this state,

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Speaker 4: but they have political consequences nationally for Democrats. And I

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Speaker 4: think I'm unusually situated, having been in federal office and

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Speaker 4: having run in a swing district to be able to

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Speaker 4: think about that so I will say when you hear

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Speaker 4: the candidates altogether, we just gathered together as good toil

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Speaker 4: candidates for our first kind of collective event. I think

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Speaker 4: there is a real difference in energy, Really is a

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Speaker 4: difference in how we feel about Trump. I think there's

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Speaker 4: a real difference in how we're willing to stand up

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Speaker 4: to powerful special interests. And I have always been a

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Speaker 4: person who said you cannot buy me. I don't care

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Speaker 4: who you are, what side of the party you're from,

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Speaker 4: whether you're Republican, Democrat, left, right, center, corporate special interests.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to do what I think best, and I'm

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Speaker 4: going to lead from a position of strength in doing

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Speaker 4: that because I can stand on my own feet and

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Speaker 4: say why this is right, Not why someone told me

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Speaker 4: to do it or pay me to do it, but

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Speaker 4: why it's right. And I think that Democrats need that

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Speaker 4: confidence in leadership right now.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time handringing about is how Democrats win right that In

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty fourth cycle, we saw Harris. She did

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Speaker 1: a really good job, but she also you know, was

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Speaker 1: impossible situation, but she spent a lot of time with

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Speaker 1: people like Liz Cheney trying to create a permission structure

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Speaker 1: for white Republicans to join the Democratic Party. They did

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Speaker 1: not take that permission, and that did not work. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of people wonder if maybe having made more

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Speaker 1: overtures towards the people who were protesting the war in

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Speaker 1: the middle eightiest store that maybe if the party hadn't

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Speaker 1: been so you know, allergic to the left flank, that

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Speaker 1: that might have helped them put together a broad coalition.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's right? Just talk about that idea

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Speaker 2: for a minute.

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Speaker 4: I can talk about it from the perspective of California,

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Speaker 4: which is that making really sure that we're leaning into

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Speaker 4: the policies that bring voters together. I think there are

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Speaker 4: those policies and those necessary I have not always necessarily

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Speaker 4: been top things that Democrats have leaned into. So one

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Speaker 4: of the things that I run on is through consumer protection.

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Speaker 4: For example, nobody likes to get cheated. You could win

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Speaker 4: every single voter talking about consumer protection, and that's something

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Speaker 4: that come at. Harris has an amazing track record on.

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Speaker 4: We heard a little bit about it in her presidential

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Speaker 4: but it's actually I think wouldn't say one of her

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Speaker 4: real strengths. And I got my start in public service

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Speaker 4: working on holding big banks to account who who had

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Speaker 4: cheated Californians during the foreclosure crisis. I think that the

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Speaker 4: idea that you know, anytime you're chasing only one little

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Speaker 4: slice of voters and you're having to choose dispatch of

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Speaker 4: voters versus that batche of voters, I think takes you

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Speaker 4: away from the fact that you need to be trying

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Speaker 4: to find what is the big tent message and what's

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Speaker 4: the message that's going to motivate people. And I do

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Speaker 4: think talking about economics, talking about economic anxiety, talking about

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Speaker 4: how people make ends meet, the cost of housing, the

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Speaker 4: cost of college, whether the United States is going to

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Speaker 4: be competitive globally for jobs in the future. I don't

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Speaker 4: know any voter who wouldn't care about that. Like I've

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Speaker 4: never had a voter say, you know what I'd like

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Speaker 4: is I'd like a worst economy send no voter ever,

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Speaker 4: Which means that issues about economics, issues about jobs are

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Speaker 4: issues that we can pull in every slice of the

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Speaker 4: population about. I think with voters who have more different

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Speaker 4: perspectives and some of those factions, sometimes it just means

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Speaker 4: being able to listen. You can't make everything at the

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Speaker 4: same level of issue, or nobody knows what you stand for, right.

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Speaker 4: So I'm very clear in this race that what I'm

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Speaker 4: really focused on is making California a more affordable place

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Speaker 4: to live so that we can grow our population and

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Speaker 4: grow our economy, grow the number of businesses that are

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Speaker 4: headquartered here. And I think having those priorities and being

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Speaker 4: really clear about them is helpful. I do think that

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Speaker 4: sometimes Democrats chase the swing voter of the cycle before, right,

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Speaker 4: So I think Joe Biden was really well situated to

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Speaker 4: think about that kind of sprit in Pennsylvania, you know,

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Speaker 4: not college educated, white working class voter that's not necessarily

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Speaker 4: the swing voter of the next election. There's a real

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Speaker 4: need to think forward about where the party's going, where

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Speaker 4: the movement's going, and not look backwards. And that's hard

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Speaker 4: to do because you don't have that data.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: It takes more intuition, It takes more intuitive leadership.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Katie Porter, thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: No, No, Jesse Cannon, Mai.

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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio above the law, above any judge in this country.

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Speaker 3: According to testimony he gave just yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Marco Rubio, this is the grown up in

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Speaker 1: the room. Okay, team, Like this guy is actually the

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Speaker 1: best they have, right, I mean I think that it is.

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Speaker 3: Would you put it that way? It makes it a

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Speaker 3: lot scarier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is it. This guy's like a

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Speaker 1: real senator. He has not been on any reality television shows.

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Speaker 1: He flippantly says he doesn't have to listen to court orders.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 2: Like JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance, you can see like he never really believed in

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Speaker 1: any of this, okay, and he wrote a book and

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Speaker 1: he was a venture capitalist sort of. But this guy was,

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Speaker 1: you know, a normal Republican and now he's a complete lunatic.

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Speaker 1: So he just basically said he doesn't have to follow

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Speaker 1: the law.

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Speaker 2: Both JD.

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Speaker 1: Vans and Marco Rubio are trying to be don Junior.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're just trying to, like out Internet troll

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Speaker 1: each other. I for one, am alarmed and concerned, concerned

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Speaker 1: and alarmed, alarmed, concerned, disturbed.

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Speaker 2: That's it for.

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