Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever, and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how much I appreciate you doing
Speaker 2: this in general, much less the day after the derby.
Speaker 2: This seemed like a great idea. I'm going to do
Speaker 2: a post Kentucky Derby show with Bob Guiney because it
Speaker 2: means so much to him. Let's just do it the
Speaker 2: morning after. God, it was a terrible idea.
Speaker 3: It seemed like a great idea when you brought it up.
Speaker 3: And now I have no voice and I'm getting on
Speaker 3: a plan.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Bob Ginny just walked in my hotel room
Speaker 2: so we could record this. He was kind enough to
Speaker 2: bring a bottle of gatorade in two waters. As you know.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. This weekend has reminded me how much
Speaker 2: I love you and adore you and why we are
Speaker 2: such good friends. And then last night, I guess this
Speaker 2: morning has reminded me, well, why we can't hang out.
Speaker 4: No, No, two of us together is just a bad mix.
Speaker 2: The last thing we I think we complus last night
Speaker 2: was all dancing in your room at three o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's pretty much it. That's the last thing I
Speaker 3: have in my repertoire for the.
Speaker 2: Weekend in the memory, You've been coming to the Derby
Speaker 2: for how many years?
Speaker 4: Eighteen?
Speaker 2: This was eighteen. It's something that we have been talking
Speaker 2: about doing together for eighteen years. Yeah, I mean since
Speaker 2: you started this, And obviously I was busy handing out
Speaker 2: roses around the world and always got home the week
Speaker 2: after the Derby, so it just never worked out for
Speaker 2: eighteen years. Finally Lauren and I were able to come
Speaker 2: and do this and it was awesome.
Speaker 3: You know, it's such a perfect fit for you. I mean,
Speaker 3: someone who you know, you actually know a lot about
Speaker 3: the horses and horse racing and things of that nature.
Speaker 4: But I mean everyone just the door'd haven you guys.
Speaker 2: Here, Louisville, the Derby, everything was just spot on. We
Speaker 2: had an absolute blast. The only thing that didn't make
Speaker 2: it out was our dignity in your voice exactly, you know,
Speaker 2: I always know that was always your thing. Bob loses
Speaker 2: his voice.
Speaker 3: That's crazy for someone who's like a singer, because I'm
Speaker 3: like my job, my whole life. It's like you would
Speaker 3: think I'd have vocal stability, but I do not.
Speaker 2: What is it about this because now you're a married
Speaker 2: man with kids, and it's not so easy for you
Speaker 2: to leave home and do things like this. Why is
Speaker 2: the Derby, Like, why is this such a thing for you?
Speaker 2: Why do you want to come back here every year?
Speaker 3: I think the fact that it falls on my birthday weekend, Yes,
Speaker 3: it is always a big deal. And then I think
Speaker 3: it's just the same group of people doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's like a consistency and that and that friendship.
Speaker 4: And then I really love what the York Sisters do. Uh.
Speaker 3: They they commit to giving all this money to charities,
Speaker 3: and so it means a lot to me.
Speaker 4: It's not just another like, yeah, you know, show up
Speaker 4: at the opening of a Kroger type of thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, actually, you you show those pay well?
Speaker 4: All those are great and I do enjoy a pastry section.
Speaker 2: And if you need, Bob and I for any Kroger. No,
Speaker 2: we love it, We love it.
Speaker 3: But I just I love their commitment to the charities
Speaker 3: and they and they give them. They're almost all children
Speaker 3: related charities, and that just means something to.
Speaker 2: Me and you. For you, I know it's your your
Speaker 2: best friends are here, your dear friend Warre Moon of
Speaker 2: course NFL legend. Jimmer's not athletic at all, but still
Speaker 2: still a friend of yours. Yes, surprisingly he was on
Speaker 2: the show, right, No, he wasn't.
Speaker 4: Jimmers was not. No, Jimmers was my brother in law's
Speaker 4: best friend growing up.
Speaker 3: Okay, so my brother in law came into my life
Speaker 3: in tenth grade and he's you know, quite a few
Speaker 3: years older than me, and Jimmer is in between us age.
Speaker 3: Why so, so I related more to Jimmer and we just
Speaker 3: became fast friends.
Speaker 2: So Elsie and I of course talked about our Derby
Speaker 2: experience and all that. But this thing has definitely become
Speaker 2: a marathon, not a sprint. It is extended into three
Speaker 2: full days of it has become the super Bowl. It's
Speaker 2: become you know, Marty Gral, It's an event. It's it
Speaker 2: started the day you guys got your Thursday Friday's the Oaks,
Speaker 2: and then the Unbridled ef party we went to, and
Speaker 2: then you have the Derby and then after parties. It's
Speaker 2: this thing is it's a long run.
Speaker 3: It's a long run, and it's not like I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, back in the day, it would have been
Speaker 3: a different experience. Just I mean, you know, I'm hydrating
Speaker 3: a lot. So the fact that I lost my voice
Speaker 3: is surprising to me, but it happens.
Speaker 2: So I know why you do this, the brotherhood, and
Speaker 2: you really love it. It means a lot to you. But
Speaker 2: how difficult are these times? Now? You have a one
Speaker 2: year old, you're a four year old, it's not easy
Speaker 2: to leave home? Now how much does your wife hate you?
Speaker 4: A lot? Right now?
Speaker 3: She's not here, so I know she couldn't make the
Speaker 3: trip because we are Our childcare option fell through, and
Speaker 3: so I came alone. And yeah, the guilt is just
Speaker 3: off the charts.
Speaker 2: As it married. Being married is one thing. Being married
Speaker 2: with kids is totally different because the guilt thing is real,
Speaker 2: whether she imposes it or not. It's yeah, many times,
Speaker 2: and much of it is self imposed because you just
Speaker 2: know you're leaving her in hell.
Speaker 4: I mean, and I'm out here, you know, just having
Speaker 4: the time of my life.
Speaker 2: So because you have a one year old, a four
Speaker 2: year old, that means they're not probably keeping through the night.
Speaker 2: Somebody's sick, somebody's doing something, someone's crying, someone got hurt,
Speaker 2: or even if things are perfect, it's still a lot.
Speaker 2: And so how how do you weigh those things? How
Speaker 2: do you guys get through it? As a couple.
Speaker 4: I just like everyone else.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's one of those things where
Speaker 3: even though a lot of our lives are lived in
Speaker 3: front of other people, the truth be told, we're just
Speaker 3: a normal couple like everyone else.
Speaker 4: So we struggle through that stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go home today and try and act like
Speaker 3: I'm not hungover, and you know, put in a full
Speaker 3: day whatever it needs to be done, take the boys
Speaker 3: and you know. But but my wife really does. She
Speaker 3: does all the heavy lifting.
Speaker 2: That is key, the you know, the returning from a
Speaker 2: trip and saying you're tired, acting tired. That is the
Speaker 2: only thing worse than going on the trip, is that move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go home and lay on the couch,
Speaker 3: you're done.
Speaker 2: You better suck it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I will be high energy all day long
Speaker 3: and my voice will hopefully I have restored by then.
Speaker 4: And she'll never know the wiser.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I'm sure she has no idea. You parted
Speaker 2: like a rock s Yeah, right, but it is as
Speaker 2: a when you were in a relationship like that, even
Speaker 2: the best of them, it's not easy. No, And is
Speaker 2: she not to put her on the spot, but was
Speaker 2: she supportive of all this or at times even if
Speaker 2: she is supportive, is it still you have those conversations
Speaker 2: of sure, you're son of a bitch for people, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's super supportive. I mean, you know, one
Speaker 3: of the things I love about my wife is we
Speaker 3: are it's it's interesting. It's a great balance. Like she
Speaker 3: doesn't have any interest in She won't walk the red
Speaker 3: carpet with me nine times out of ten.
Speaker 4: Not that she doesn't love me and support me, she
Speaker 4: just doesn't care.
Speaker 3: And you know, and it doesn't it's not something that's
Speaker 3: in her wheelhouse. But she understands what I do, and
Speaker 3: she's been, you know, so supportive.
Speaker 4: It's been great.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking, and I don't know
Speaker 2: why this just dawned on me, but you are kind
Speaker 2: of in the situation that I was in when we met,
Speaker 2: when you were when you were bachelor. Joshua was born,
Speaker 2: he was young, Taylor was born rite at Ryan and
Speaker 2: Trista's wedding, and so they even they were a little
Speaker 2: younger than even your kids now. But yeah, so we
Speaker 2: we've switched places, we have, but we're the same age
Speaker 2: and were the same age. And by the way, I
Speaker 2: can't begin to tell you how much I I honestly
Speaker 2: love the fact now that I do see people like you,
Speaker 2: everything's kind of switched and I've gotten to watch everybody
Speaker 2: go through what I had been going through when I
Speaker 2: was working on the show. Whether it's Ari and Laura
Speaker 2: and Ryan and Trista, yourself. You know, everybody has Sean
Speaker 2: and Catherine have you know, fifty kids? I think, I think,
Speaker 2: But it's fun to watch all of you, and it's
Speaker 2: fun to watch all of you also no offense struggle
Speaker 2: with it. Just like I was back in the.
Speaker 3: N I don't know how you did it. I really
Speaker 3: don't know how you did it.
Speaker 4: I mean, your schedule was so crazy back then.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even imagine being in your shoes with the
Speaker 3: way I am not with my kids.
Speaker 4: And as much as I want to.
Speaker 2: Be there, that's the thing, even even a weekend like this,
Speaker 2: that means a lot to you. And it's a tradition.
Speaker 2: You know, your kids will get to an age. It's
Speaker 2: easy when they're four and one to a certain degree,
Speaker 2: but next thing you know, there's gonna be lacrosse playoffs
Speaker 2: or a piano recital or who knows that the father
Speaker 2: son camp out whatever that stuff. You just there's no
Speaker 2: way all of a sudden, these things become so minuscule
Speaker 2: in your life.
Speaker 3: These will be secondary, you know. And I and and
Speaker 3: I know that. I think that was partially this year
Speaker 3: when our child care fell through and my wife was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll stay home, you know, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: I think part of it was that, I mean, part
Speaker 3: of it was this isn't gonna last forever, you know.
Speaker 4: And so I mean I always thought about that.
Speaker 3: Like after the Bachelor stuff, I remember thinking to myself, like,
Speaker 3: there's bound to be a Flavor of the month guy
Speaker 3: that's gonna take my place.
Speaker 4: It's gonna happen any day, and you know, so I'm like.
Speaker 3: I might as well enjoy these moments while they while
Speaker 3: they come, because odds are they're not gonna last forever,
Speaker 3: you know, And they've lasted way longer than I anticipated.
Speaker 2: How has being a dad changed you? Like, what do
Speaker 2: you think is the biggest change?
Speaker 3: I don't even I mean, I think the fact that
Speaker 3: I don't even think I knew what love was until
Speaker 3: I had my kids. Yeah, I love my wife very much,
Speaker 3: but you know, there's a car coming and it's gonna
Speaker 3: hit the kids.
Speaker 4: I'm you know, to quote Ryan Reynolds, I'll use it
Speaker 4: as a human shield.
Speaker 3: Right. It's like, you know, I love my wife to death,
Speaker 3: but it's like you don't know love until you realize
Speaker 3: that you've created life. And and then you have these
Speaker 3: kids that just everything revolves around what you can provide for.
Speaker 2: Them every waking moment. Yeah, you either think about them,
Speaker 2: worry about them, wonder about them. And you and I
Speaker 2: talked about this. I think it was yesterday when you
Speaker 2: brought it up. You're like, I don't know what I did.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I thought my life was busy.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I thought my life was filled
Speaker 2: until this. Like, yes, it's so different.
Speaker 4: I can say that truthfully.
Speaker 3: Like I I when after we hit grat Soon, our
Speaker 3: first son, it was kind of interesting because as we
Speaker 3: were getting ready to have Blake, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm I capable of loving someone else as much as
Speaker 3: I love Grayson, you know, And how am I going
Speaker 3: to be a good dad?
Speaker 4: What do I have to do?
Speaker 3: And you know, but I had a great example with
Speaker 3: my dad. My dad was the best man I've ever
Speaker 3: met in my life. And so for me, like I
Speaker 3: at least I can do the siest version of me
Speaker 3: trying to be my dad.
Speaker 4: It would be the greatest dad hopefully ever.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, I'm sure you thought you
Speaker 2: were busy when you guys had Grayson. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh man, this is nuts. And then when
Speaker 2: you have two.
Speaker 3: You know the second one, you know, it's funny. I
Speaker 3: feel like, I mean, I'm fifty two.
Speaker 2: By the way, happy birthday. Thanks. I wish we were
Speaker 2: going to all be together just one more night so
Speaker 2: we could celebrate your birthday. Although we did do a
Speaker 2: good job of it last night.
Speaker 4: He celebrated very well.
Speaker 2: Jeff Ruby's let's give a shout out.
Speaker 4: Oh great time.
Speaker 2: We had a spectacular dinner at this We were staying
Speaker 2: at the Gold House, which is right here in the
Speaker 2: middle of Louisville downtown and there's this spectacular steakhouse. It's
Speaker 2: like the premier steakhouse is And I'm getting nothing for this.
Speaker 2: We paid for dinner full last night. Trust me, we
Speaker 2: all paid it full last night. But man, was it
Speaker 2: worth it. And it was really cool because so not
Speaker 2: to dive into the horse racing thing, but I did
Speaker 2: pick no, I did pick the winner of the derby,
Speaker 2: but Mage was the winning horse, and the winning connection
Speaker 2: showed up, meaning the owners. Javier Costellano, the jockey that
Speaker 2: won the derby, came in and here's what's cool. I mean,
Speaker 2: just everybody in the restaurant got up standing ovation. It
Speaker 2: was so fricking cool. And we had a great dinner
Speaker 2: of Warren Warren Moon, one of our local sheriffs who
Speaker 2: takes care of us, and Dora who is spectacular, and
Speaker 2: then you know, l Z was there and Jimmer's and Lisa.
Speaker 2: We had a great crew and celebrated your birthday last night,
Speaker 2: saying you have had your birthday very nice. We got
Speaker 2: your cheesecake.
Speaker 4: Is that it?
Speaker 3: Cheesecake? Guy?
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, as we were singing to you
Speaker 2: and you dove in, I thought, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I would have gotten your.
Speaker 4: Cheesecake, probably wouldn't have been my first choice.
Speaker 2: But okay, I enjoyed it. So I do still know
Speaker 2: you well enough.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 2: Indeed, obviously we met what is it eighteen years?
Speaker 4: What was it three?
Speaker 2: So twenty years ago? So it's your fifty second birthday, ye,
Speaker 2: happy birthday, and it's our twentieth anniversary something twenty years together.
Speaker 4: It's a long time to be friends, it really is.
Speaker 2: I mean I always say of anything that came out
Speaker 2: of the silly show that we did together, the friendships,
Speaker 2: the lasting friendships, you know, there was you, and then
Speaker 2: Firestone came shortly after, and we actually facetimed him last
Speaker 2: night with Yvonna and his kids. I should have mentioned
Speaker 2: them to those beautiful kids and the guy they just
Speaker 2: put out. They put out spectacularly good.
Speaker 4: Look they really well.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, doesn't fall You have those two
Speaker 3: ingredients as the primary kicker.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have good looking kids.
Speaker 2: But those friendships have been the best part. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: were early days. I don't want to say you were experimental,
Speaker 2: but it was still.
Speaker 4: I think I was experimental. I mean, you know Andrew
Speaker 4: uh so so uh.
Speaker 3: Of course there was Alex Michelle, and then trist Aaron Burgi,
Speaker 3: then Andrew Firestone. Uh yeah, Trista, then Andrew Firestone, then me, right,
Speaker 3: and I think, uh, you know, the the mold wasn't me.
Speaker 3: The mold was you know A you know, I mean
Speaker 3: Andrew Firestone I believe is the premier bachelor of all time, right,
Speaker 3: I think Ari Ham, you know, Prince Lorenzo burgh Azy, like,
Speaker 3: there's these guys that you know they have that it's
Speaker 3: like a it's almost like Prince Charming, you know, life.
Speaker 4: In your mind.
Speaker 3: And even though Andrew is one of the most down
Speaker 3: to earth guys you've ever met in your life, he
Speaker 3: still has a firestone, which is pretty significant.
Speaker 4: And here I come.
Speaker 3: You know, my dad's a Detroit cop and I'm like, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: you know and uh, but it was such a fun
Speaker 3: time and I owe so much to you because, as
Speaker 3: you know, I think you you really put a stamp
Speaker 3: on the show without being the lead of the show technically, right,
Speaker 3: you were the only consistent person that was You're the
Speaker 3: face of the Bachelor franchise. It's not the Bachelor. It's like,
Speaker 3: whoever that Bachelor guy isn't handing out flowers? That was
Speaker 3: secondary because it was always Chris Harrison, and they knew
Speaker 3: that was the one.
Speaker 4: Thing they could count on.
Speaker 3: And what a lot of people don't realize is how
Speaker 3: much you know, mentoring you did behind the scenes to
Speaker 3: keep people sane.
Speaker 4: I mean, because it's a crazy experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nuts, and it was in you know, I
Speaker 2: say it was early days for you just because We
Speaker 2: didn't have it figured out yet. It wasn't fully baked now.
Speaker 2: The idea was still evolving and you'd had a little success,
Speaker 2: but we weren't great at what we were doing yet.
Speaker 2: We could build TV and make TV, but it was
Speaker 2: there was this human aspect that we weren't great at yet,
Speaker 2: unfortunately for you, and you were. You were shaking up
Speaker 2: the snow globe a little bit. You were breaking the mold.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone kind of fell in love with you
Speaker 2: on trist A season. You were like the you know,
Speaker 2: the happy, go lucky guy or whatever. And what was
Speaker 2: interesting was when you came in. I remember this because
Speaker 2: so for people that don't remember, because you were four
Speaker 2: years old when Bob was on. So you came in
Speaker 2: in a boot. You you would just either rupture your
Speaker 2: achilles or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had I had just had reconstructive knee surgery, right,
Speaker 3: and then I rushed back, excuse me, and I rupture
Speaker 3: my achilles as well.
Speaker 2: So Bob came on trist A season. Let's let's just
Speaker 2: say a little bit chubby.
Speaker 3: You were.
Speaker 2: You were the chubby guy, but you were like the chubby,
Speaker 2: funny guy. And he had a boot on. He had
Speaker 2: just had surgery put on thirty pounds, but he had
Speaker 2: everybody in stitches and is as is still the case,
Speaker 2: he's the pipe piper when Bob walks in a room.
Speaker 2: He's just one of those people you can't help it.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you're having fun, you're dancing, and
Speaker 2: you realize you're going to be with this guy. And
Speaker 2: then we decided, let's, you know, let's go the kind
Speaker 2: of I don't want to say Anti Andrew Firestone, but
Speaker 2: it was a different look of the show, like let's
Speaker 2: bring in this guy who was maybe a little little
Speaker 2: bit chubby, yeah, and funny and you know, the everyday
Speaker 2: guy Detroit, Michigan. Yeah, and you came in and you're like,
Speaker 2: well that wasn't really me, dude, I'm a football player,
Speaker 2: I'm fit. I'm like, that's not.
Speaker 4: When I came back as the Bats, I remember everyone going,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, because.
Speaker 2: You were ripped and in shape.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The articles that.
Speaker 3: You know when you're when you're putting a show like that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're just a normal dude. And so your mom is
Speaker 3: at the grocery store and looking at us weekly and
Speaker 3: the headlines are like, you know, did he get plastic surgery,
Speaker 3: Like did this happen? And my mom's like, what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know. I'm like I have no idea.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm just nowing back to my normal self
Speaker 3: and everyone thinks I'm, you know, doing something different.
Speaker 2: But it's funny though you were time stamped in everyone's
Speaker 2: head during just the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know it was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, just the season was so awesome because you know,
Speaker 3: we go on that show and you know, like you said,
Speaker 3: it wasn't fully baked yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the creators of the show and the prisoner
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 3: Show wanted it to be more drama, whereas we're thirty
Speaker 3: or twenty five guys hang out going Man, we really
Speaker 3: like each other.
Speaker 2: And al y'all's group, especially this ridicule. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: will to this day say that was the greatest collection
Speaker 2: of guys if you look top to bottom. I mean,
Speaker 2: that was like the twenty seven Yankees.
Speaker 4: Genuinely loved each other.
Speaker 3: Like I remember one day I got in a lot
Speaker 3: of trouble. You weren't at the house this day. Sure
Speaker 3: you saw the footage, but we're all on the hot
Speaker 3: toob hanging out like the one.
Speaker 2: Day and visally, let me say, for what we did
Speaker 2: back then, is the bachelor stay or this was the bacherette.
Speaker 2: Obviously Trista the bachorette had a mansion, so the bachelorette
Speaker 2: stayed at the mansion or the bachelor. It wasn't the
Speaker 2: guys or the girls. The guys or girls had their
Speaker 2: own kind of compound or their own house. And so
Speaker 2: the whole thing was switched. I forget when we even
Speaker 2: started switching it, when the guys or the girls the
Speaker 2: contestants started staying there. But so Trista would have the
Speaker 2: main house, and like when you were the bachelor, you
Speaker 2: stayed at the main house. And then we would find
Speaker 2: some and the idea for you guys was let's find
Speaker 2: kind of a dorm room kind of place, right, and
Speaker 2: it turned into a f I had.
Speaker 3: We had bunk beds basically much like Bachelor Pad and
Speaker 3: all that stuff had And I remember Ryan was my
Speaker 3: Ryan Sutter was my my kind of roommate, right, And
Speaker 3: what I thought was so funny about that show was,
Speaker 3: I mean we would talk about everything because you know,
Speaker 3: you have nothing else to talk about, and I mean
Speaker 3: that's that's where the meat and potatoes come from right.
Speaker 3: So you know, all you can talk about is Trista.
Speaker 3: You can't really talk about current events. You're not looking
Speaker 3: at a television, you can't read a book. And I
Speaker 3: remember there was, for whatever reason, it kept coming up
Speaker 3: that you know, you played football in college. You you
Speaker 3: walked on as a quarterback and you earned a scholarship or whatever,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, hold on, do you know that Ryan
Speaker 3: is not a firefighter. He was a professional football player
Speaker 3: for the Baltimore Ravens and he hasn't said anything to anyone.
Speaker 3: I was more in love with Ryan, I think than anybody,
Speaker 3: and it was because he was.
Speaker 2: Stuff.
Speaker 3: Absolute stud ended up being on the Baltimore he was
Speaker 3: a professional.
Speaker 2: Football player and he was he was about to make
Speaker 2: it again with the Saints before he like last day
Speaker 2: he blew out his achilles. I think it was, yeah,
Speaker 2: that maybe maybe they're just all around athlete that's ever
Speaker 2: come to the show. That guy is a freak.
Speaker 4: He's a freaking nation.
Speaker 3: Yeah he now he does you know, triathlons and everything else,
Speaker 3: and but he didn't talk about it, you know, And
Speaker 3: it was embarrassing for me to have to talk about
Speaker 3: the basically I was basically a party planner in college.
Speaker 3: I mean that was like the football team's party planner.
Speaker 3: And here you have this guy who is just a
Speaker 3: beast who doesn't talk about it, and I'm like, come on, dude,
Speaker 3: you gotta talk about it.
Speaker 2: You went pretty far. How quickly did you know it
Speaker 2: was over? And it was Ryan?
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Well, I'll never forget we were.
Speaker 2: I mean, Charlie was a part of that mix.
Speaker 4: Charlie was in the mix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I remember and and I love Charlie.
Speaker 4: I mean he and I are still friends of this
Speaker 4: day too.
Speaker 3: But I remember being on a group date with Trista
Speaker 3: and we're on a hammock and it's it's basically time
Speaker 3: to make out with trusta day, right, and I'm just like,
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 4: I just can't do it.
Speaker 3: And so we really got on this hammock and she's
Speaker 3: talking to me about something and I just go, you know,
Speaker 3: I think I should. I think it's probably time for
Speaker 3: me to go home. And I'm like, I, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know when you're what just actually said to me.
Speaker 3: She goes when I'm with you, I come home and
Speaker 3: everyone's like reading the Bible. But when you're at home
Speaker 3: with the guys and I'm on a different date, I
Speaker 3: come home and it's like a frat party.
Speaker 4: People are like, I'm like, what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Like get mad?
Speaker 3: You're dating twenty of my friends. Yeah, but it was
Speaker 3: like the focus was just different. I mean Ryan was
Speaker 3: so laser focused and the rest of us were just
Speaker 3: a bunch of jackasses having a great time.
Speaker 2: Yeah we're playing checkers.
Speaker 3: Oh he was playing jazz. He was head and shouldrens
Speaker 3: above us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's kind.
Speaker 3: Of where you start to realize, you know, that's why
Speaker 3: they have a real relationship to this day. It wasn't
Speaker 3: manufacturing for TV. It was genuine, truly was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember coming over one night because so you know,
Speaker 2: back in the day, again, there was no real rules,
Speaker 2: even for me. I would just kind of come hang
Speaker 2: out with you guys from time to time and have
Speaker 2: a beer and hang out and chat. And so I
Speaker 2: remember coming over one day though, and all of the
Speaker 2: pool furniture was on the roof. You guys had set
Speaker 2: the entire pool furniture set up on the roof. Were
Speaker 2: just that somebody. I remember Jamie was eating dog food.
Speaker 2: At one point, you guys put one of the guys
Speaker 2: out in the yard. You picked French Jack, French you
Speaker 2: put you picked up his bed and he was passed
Speaker 2: out asleep, and you guys carried him outside and he
Speaker 2: didn't wake up until the sprinklets came. So stupid, I mean,
Speaker 2: but that's funny. That stuff just doesn't happen anymore, that chemistry.
Speaker 2: And I think because the show is not what it
Speaker 2: was as far as the innocence of naivete and so
Speaker 2: it's not it's not anything against anyone who comes after
Speaker 2: you guys, but now people have a different mindset and
Speaker 2: a different goal when they come in. Sure, you guys,
Speaker 2: because it didn't exist, didn't think, Hey, how can I
Speaker 2: get the most followers follow What can I say that's
Speaker 2: going to be perfect? You know, what's really going to
Speaker 2: make America love me? And how am I going to
Speaker 2: be endearing? And how am I going to you know,
Speaker 2: sell shoes or face.
Speaker 4: Kid?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, I think that you know, it's funny. Russ
Speaker 2: it yeah, Russ, I forget his last name from Arizona.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he Russ was the only one that came
Speaker 3: in with a gift and I remember he gave Trista
Speaker 3: something from Tiffany's that he had like engraved for her
Speaker 3: or something, and we're all like, who the hell is
Speaker 3: this guy?
Speaker 4: What's this?
Speaker 3: You know, it was like you know, now they come
Speaker 3: in on horses and do all sorts of crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: All Russ was doing was being considerate and kind and
Speaker 3: you know, thoughtful, and we were all like, what the hell, Like,
Speaker 3: what's this guy doing? And he somehow got cast as
Speaker 3: a villain when he wasn't a villainous guy. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: was a really kind and nice guy and you know,
Speaker 3: it was one of the but but we also really
Speaker 3: liked him too. Like it was, you know, it's not
Speaker 3: the caddy stuff that I think people go in there now.
Speaker 3: But there wasn't social media. I think at best it
Speaker 3: was my space back then.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, someone may have written a blog.
Speaker 4: Yeah there's a chat room here and there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very innocent and well and it allowed
Speaker 2: us as producers. But also is the show to just
Speaker 2: shoot the entire show and then show it to you
Speaker 2: as we intended it, right, which sometimes is good. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it is bad because honestly, it allows you to change things,
Speaker 2: manipulate things, whatever, but it allowed us to put this
Speaker 2: thing in the can. You guys would could go be
Speaker 2: quiet because you weren't being followed. There was no way
Speaker 2: to kind of expose, say, say Bob Ginny went back
Speaker 2: and went on a date, because heaven forbid, you're off
Speaker 2: the show for five months.
Speaker 4: Date.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not it's not all over the network.
Speaker 2: And so it just allowed everybody to escape a little
Speaker 2: bit more and enjoy the show how we intended it,
Speaker 2: how it should have been.
Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's true.
Speaker 3: I think now it's just you know, that was a
Speaker 3: different beast that yeah became. It became such a part
Speaker 3: of the fabric of our you know, our daily like
Speaker 3: water cooler conversations at work and things of that. Nature
Speaker 3: of the show became such a big deal. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's fun though. I mean, you know, I think you
Speaker 3: and I both this weekend realized how much people resonate with,
Speaker 3: especially our era the show. You know, they were i mean,
Speaker 3: your era obviously spans much further than mine, but they're they're.
Speaker 4: Like, those are the good old days. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: it was so great.
Speaker 2: That it is awesome. I mean, I will say, well,
Speaker 2: I'll tap us both on the shoulder. As you know,
Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time together this weekend. I
Speaker 2: mean our hotel rooms are literally like across from each other.
Speaker 3: It was a long walk with my water bottles here.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: And so we've spent a lot of time together this weekend,
Speaker 2: which has been amazing because you've also gotten to know Lauren. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's wonderful, which obviously has changed my life. And yeah,
Speaker 2: then as you said last night, you're like, I think
Speaker 2: I've been best friends with her forever.
Speaker 4: God, how have I not met her a thought time?
Speaker 2: That's LZ. Anyone who meets her, she is contagious. When
Speaker 2: when that gets in your blood, it's over. And so
Speaker 2: it's been awesome for me to see you get to
Speaker 2: know her and spend some time, you know, because people
Speaker 2: are so important in my life. I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 2: need you have to meet Z. And so this has
Speaker 2: been this has been coming for a long time. But
Speaker 2: going to the track hanging out and there was you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand people there yesterday, it was
Speaker 2: just it was fun to me to be with you
Speaker 2: and have people come up to us NonStop and take
Speaker 2: pictures and just talk about the good old days, how
Speaker 2: much they loved and appreciated just what we were doing
Speaker 2: back then, which which is still wonderful. And people always apologize,
Speaker 2: and I always say, please, first of all, they're being wonderful,
Speaker 2: their being kind. I'm like, don't apologize. It changed our lives.
Speaker 4: It really did.
Speaker 3: I mean, I, you can't do a show like that,
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess, I guess you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3: A show like that, and I was so fortunate that
Speaker 3: I was treated nicely in the editing bay. And you know,
Speaker 3: from that from that point on, you know, I've always
Speaker 3: had people be so kind to me. And it's never
Speaker 3: been a thing where, you know, yeah, I might be
Speaker 3: eating and they come over. I'm like, that's awesome, thank you,
Speaker 3: you know, thanks for caring. You know, It's never been
Speaker 3: a thing where I feel like I take it for granted,
Speaker 3: or or I think I'm too important to take a
Speaker 3: minute to take a picture of someone.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, you'll get guys up.
Speaker 2: Like a certain someone we saw yesterday who was in
Speaker 2: our area, legendary singer who just walked by Bob and
Speaker 2: I and then walked through the entire crowd, would not
Speaker 2: make eye contact, would not smile, would not I'm like,
Speaker 2: and I looked at you and I said, man, I
Speaker 2: hope we never act like.
Speaker 3: I love that, you know, I hope we're never too
Speaker 3: I thought. I I think what you said was like
Speaker 3: something like, I hope I'm never too self important to
Speaker 3: be kind. Yeah, and I and I thought that was
Speaker 3: a really great thing to say, because it's true.
Speaker 2: Like like there's Allerson didn't have to stop and anything,
Speaker 2: but it just show to say hi, just say yeah, Hi,
Speaker 2: smile like you know, people are kind of looking at
Speaker 2: you as you're walking through. It's like it's okay to
Speaker 2: make eye contact, and so you don't you know, I
Speaker 2: get it if you don't want to like spend your
Speaker 2: day glad handing everybody, because there's times when you just don't.
Speaker 2: But it was just interesting to see. And I was like,
Speaker 2: we you and I are the juxtaposition. We're just like
Speaker 2: like you want to hug, you want to And so
Speaker 2: it was even last night when uh, you know, we
Speaker 2: hung out with the jockey Hovey Or Castellano, the winner
Speaker 2: of the Dort. We took a picture with him last night.
Speaker 2: It was just it's been really fun to be back
Speaker 2: in this cause I haven't been it with you in
Speaker 2: a long time, A lot of time. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 2: fun to step in it, you know, with them, with
Speaker 2: Andrew Firestone or if I go whoever I'm visiting at
Speaker 2: the time. It's that that's a cool thing. So you
Speaker 2: go on after Trist's season, yep, obviously there was a
Speaker 2: season in between, and then we do you as the Bachelor,
Speaker 2: your name the Bachelor, right, be honest, at the end
Speaker 2: of all of it, was that a good thing or
Speaker 2: a bad thing for you to be the Bachelor? Oh?
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was a great thing. I think you know,
Speaker 3: it's interesting though I didn't want to do it. I
Speaker 3: was the lovable loser from Trist' to season right, so
Speaker 3: I was in this spot that was just it was fun.
Speaker 3: There was no pressure and and so I was kind
Speaker 3: of like, I don't think I want to be the
Speaker 3: Bachelor guy.
Speaker 4: Because at that time.
Speaker 3: The show was always edited that whoever the runner up
Speaker 3: was is the one that got all the FaceTime, right,
Speaker 3: so that person was going to be and then whoever
Speaker 3: you choose is almost like a disappointment. And in the
Speaker 3: way that they edited the show, and I remember thinking, God,
Speaker 3: I just don't want that kind of pressure and what
Speaker 3: if I if there isn't someone for me there, And
Speaker 3: you know, I was worried about that. And but I'm
Speaker 3: so thankful that I did the show because it really
Speaker 3: did kind of set the tone for me in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways how I wanted to be perceived from
Speaker 3: my people. You know, I was, I came off the show.
Speaker 3: I was exactly who I was on the show, and
Speaker 3: you know, and I set the bar very low for myself,
Speaker 3: I guess in that regard, So you know, it wasn't
Speaker 3: really having to strive too hard to reach the what
Speaker 3: people would expect from me.
Speaker 4: But I was lucky.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think it was a different
Speaker 3: time of the show, a huge time of the show,
Speaker 3: like thirty million viewers back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was massive. It was easily the number one
Speaker 2: show on TV. We had thirty plus million viewers watching
Speaker 2: the show. I mean, it was outdrawing the Oscars, out
Speaker 2: drawing the World Series. I remember there's this old magazine
Speaker 2: that I can't explain what a magazine is, just google it,
Speaker 2: but Sports Illustrated came out and they always had this
Speaker 2: little box. It was like the sign of the apocalypse.
Speaker 2: It was like, okay, sign that the world has changed.
Speaker 2: And it was like Bachelor out draws the World Series,
Speaker 2: and I was like, this show was just a monster
Speaker 2: back then.
Speaker 4: That had to be crazy for you.
Speaker 2: Well, it was because I you know, it was like
Speaker 2: I always say, it was like go into the NFL
Speaker 2: your first year and you go straight to the super
Speaker 2: Bowl and win because it was my first network gig. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I knew the show was big. I knew
Speaker 2: my life was changing, but I didn't understand how because
Speaker 2: I hadn't been in the league for a while. Sure,
Speaker 2: if you're a veteran. I was a rookie, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, okay, is this good? Is this bad? Like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: thirty three million's pretty good. You're kind of crushing it.
Speaker 2: And so, and it wasn't just you know, the entertainment
Speaker 2: shows and entertainment magazines that were so prominent at the
Speaker 2: time that we're talking about us. It was Time Magazine,
Speaker 2: it was the New York Times. It was like the
Speaker 2: every radio station you turned on on it was actually
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays back then. I think still we were I
Speaker 2: think going against the West wing. It was either or
Speaker 2: Ally McBeal was on at the time and so we
Speaker 2: would get up on Thursdays and it was just bonkers.
Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about this show.
Speaker 3: I was so afraid I was going to be the
Speaker 3: one that took it, took it down, Like I remember,
Speaker 3: I remember when they.
Speaker 2: I was worried about that.
Speaker 3: When they asked me to be the Bachelor, I was
Speaker 3: just like, God, I can't, I can't take this down.
Speaker 3: And what's really interesting now with you know, the podcasts
Speaker 3: and stuff that we both are involved in, I've gotten
Speaker 3: to know some of the newer bachelors, you know, like
Speaker 3: I got to meet a couple of the guys most recently,
Speaker 3: like Clayton and the most recent Bachelor as well.
Speaker 4: And man, I feel like.
Speaker 3: These guys have so much pressure on them, like they're
Speaker 3: so scared the franchise is going to.
Speaker 4: Go down with them at the Helm.
Speaker 3: And I told him, I my guys twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: I felt the exact same way.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: I was mostly concerned that it was going to be
Speaker 3: the worst rated season or you know, it's just going
Speaker 3: to be a dumpster fire with me on.
Speaker 2: It, I don't know the new guys that obviously I'm
Speaker 2: not a part of it, and so I I don't
Speaker 2: know them, but I've I've run into a couple of
Speaker 2: people at you know, iHeart events or whatever, and one
Speaker 2: of the recent bachelorettes, and tell me, if if you
Speaker 2: get you get this vibe. So and by the way,
Speaker 2: Bob does an amazing podcast with Trista. Yes, the godmother
Speaker 2: of the franchise. God Yes, and you're like the odd
Speaker 2: step uncle.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm the u.
Speaker 3: So I always say she's the fairy godmother and I
Speaker 3: am clearly.
Speaker 2: The grandfather, the creepy grandfather, the creepy grandpa. But I
Speaker 2: met them, and tell me, if you feel this. They
Speaker 2: don't seem happy as they come off. It's it's I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's the pressure of it all, if
Speaker 2: it's it's everything. But I I talked to a few
Speaker 2: of them and I left thinking, Wow, they just have
Speaker 2: so much angst and anxiety, and it's I don't know
Speaker 2: if they're just worried about if I come off wrong
Speaker 2: or if I'm if I say the wrong thing, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be canceled, if you know. I just think
Speaker 2: there's so much pressure put on the franchise, on them,
Speaker 2: maybe by society, maybe by themselves too self imposed. Sure,
Speaker 2: but I just feel this weight I.
Speaker 3: Think in social media, honestly, I really do. Like you know,
Speaker 3: they go on the show and and you know the
Speaker 3: difference between when we well, when I was doing the
Speaker 3: show and now, I mean, we didn't have Facebook, Instagram,
Speaker 3: any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: You got to someone hated you and Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, you probably wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: You're probably not gonna know about it, but.
Speaker 4: Man, now you hear about it.
Speaker 3: And I think I think there's a lot of I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of just aggression. You know, people
Speaker 3: sitting mind a keyboard and say whatever they want to say.
Speaker 3: And I think these guys.
Speaker 2: There's no culpability, there's no culpability, no responsibility for what
Speaker 2: you're saying, and you don't.
Speaker 3: It hurts, you know, it hurts to hear of these
Speaker 3: things and right or wrong. And I would see a
Speaker 3: nice thing about myself and I'd go, oh, that's a
Speaker 3: nice thing. I'd see like I'd see twenty nice things.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't resonate with me, see one mean thing. I couldn't
Speaker 3: forget it for months, And you know, people, I think
Speaker 3: forget that. These guys are just real normal people, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and they are and they you're right. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing is people think, well, they put themselves on TV,
Speaker 2: they signed up for this. And I always said, you
Speaker 2: know why I defended everybody is no, they really don't
Speaker 2: know what they signed up for because you can't possibly
Speaker 2: understand what it's like to be shot out of a
Speaker 2: cannon and have your hair lit on fire. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can watch it a million times, but until you are
Speaker 2: shot out of that cannon, you're like, oh, now I
Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, now I get it, and you know,
Speaker 2: you grab and.
Speaker 4: It makes you paranoid.
Speaker 3: I mean I remember, I remember coming off the show.
Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, this is two thousand and three and
Speaker 3: I come back to my home in Michigan and I
Speaker 3: owned a home. It was a small, you know, Q
Speaker 3: little house and everything. I come home and uh, National
Speaker 3: inquirers at my front you'll lawn, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, Like you.
Speaker 2: Know what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Like how do I act?
Speaker 3: Like do I do I just you know, move past
Speaker 3: them and ignore them, lawn, But what do I do
Speaker 3: in my hands? You know, how do I hold my face?
Speaker 3: And you don't know? And you know, I mean I
Speaker 3: think about things like even back then, you know, the
Speaker 3: things that would get like micro analyzed or or you're
Speaker 3: hyper analyzed. I remember, you know, Meredith was on my
Speaker 3: season before Speaking the Best, and we went to her
Speaker 3: grandmother's grave site, which I was really against because in
Speaker 3: my mind, I was like, I don't think our relationship.
Speaker 4: Is there yet.
Speaker 2: I don't want to exploit it with her.
Speaker 3: Mom and dad right with me, and but I remember,
Speaker 3: we're approaching the site and I go to, you know,
Speaker 3: as one would, I go to put my arm around her, like,
Speaker 3: you know, her shoulder area, right, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: I get home, you know, after we're done filming, and
Speaker 3: there's a thing in us weekly and it looks like
Speaker 3: my hands on her.
Speaker 2: Butt and it was just rising, but it.
Speaker 3: Was just rising to go to our shoulder. And they're like,
Speaker 3: what kind of pig would you.
Speaker 2: Know feel up a girl?
Speaker 4: Feel up a girl in a grave site? I'm like
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 3: And then it's like do I do I defend myself,
Speaker 3: Like do I speak out against this or do I
Speaker 3: just you know, take it in your mind.
Speaker 4: Everyone's seeing that and you don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's you know, and you're right in your mind,
Speaker 2: you're in the middle of this tempest and it feels
Speaker 2: so big. So it feels so and you know, trying
Speaker 2: to help everybody navigate that. And you you didn't have
Speaker 2: an easy time coming out of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well because I didn't you know, I didn't propose
Speaker 3: and that was a big deal. And then, you know,
Speaker 3: I did meet someone shortly after we were you know,
Speaker 3: after the finale and everything. I met who I ended
Speaker 3: up marrying subsequently divorcing, but she's you know, uh, it was.
Speaker 3: It was interesting because the way everyone viewed it was,
Speaker 3: oh my god, the dude leaves the show and now
Speaker 3: he's with a soap opera.
Speaker 4: Person's right. The show got done filming in July.
Speaker 2: Guys, especially back then, there was a long break between
Speaker 2: stopping the filming and then the show would air. And
Speaker 2: you weren't in love with who you had finished the
Speaker 2: show with, and nothing against her, It's just that's the
Speaker 2: way it was. There was no chemistry and the relationship
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna work, and you had already moved on met
Speaker 2: somebody ironically kind of doing some Bachelor stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a show. I did a show that
Speaker 3: made fun of the Bachelor. Uh, basically, make you fun
Speaker 3: of me. I went on and like we would, you know,
Speaker 3: go through episodes and I would just rip on myself basically,
Speaker 3: which I loved. And uh, and the girl that hosted
Speaker 3: that show, I ended up marrying her. It was kind
Speaker 3: of funny, but uh, but yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 3: a tough time, and I think one of the cool things.
Speaker 3: You know, and I'm sure this happens a lot, but thankfully,
Speaker 3: you know, I chose Estella. Uh and Kelly Joe is
Speaker 3: my runner up, and thankfully I'm still friendly with both
Speaker 3: of them. You know, are so thankful for that, because yeah,
Speaker 3: like Estella just got married and you know, there's so
Speaker 3: much going on in her life. And then Kelly Joe's
Speaker 3: got like three kids, I think, and she's you know,
Speaker 3: the married to a hockey player. And I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just they were both such cool people and to go
Speaker 3: through that kind of weird experience with someone, I was
Speaker 3: just thankful that we have each other to kind of
Speaker 3: talk about it.
Speaker 2: With, right, I mean, because you can only only those
Speaker 2: people will truly understand how nuts it was, and especially
Speaker 2: for you and Estella, it was. It was a lot.
Speaker 4: It was crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we I I remember feeling so bad for
Speaker 3: her because you know at the time, like I said,
Speaker 3: it was always geared towards the runner.
Speaker 4: Up to be the big revealed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I remember I was like, god it, Stella
Speaker 3: deserves more than this. Like people are just like, why
Speaker 3: did you pick Kelly Joe? You know, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you haven't gotten to know Stella.
Speaker 4: She's wonderful. I mean, she was such a wonderful person.
Speaker 2: It's such a wonderful it feels. So I don't know
Speaker 2: the end of your show for how light and fun
Speaker 2: it was, did it feel a little dark?
Speaker 4: Oh it was heavy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think the hardest part about being on
Speaker 3: a show like that is you're whether you've been someone
Speaker 3: who dates a bunch of people or not. I mean,
Speaker 3: you are legitimately hurting people's feelings and who have never
Speaker 3: done anything wrong. Because there the entire five weeks you've
Speaker 3: been on the well back then we filmed over five weeks.
Speaker 3: The five weeks you've been there, it's just been all
Speaker 3: about you. It's they they are, you know, everything is
Speaker 3: about them basically telling you that you're the greatest thing
Speaker 3: on earth, right, and now you're breaking up with them.
Speaker 4: And I remember Kelly Joe.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember the scene where she like,
Speaker 3: I mean, she literally like I'm holding her hands. I'm like,
Speaker 3: but she just throws her hands down and walks, you know,
Speaker 3: And I remember that.
Speaker 4: I remember that being pretty brutal.
Speaker 3: And then, you know, but then also I also wasn't
Speaker 3: going to propose, So I was kind of in the
Speaker 3: situation where I'm like, Katy, I'm letting down Estella too, right,
Speaker 3: I'm letting down the whole franchise.
Speaker 4: Everyone's gonna be mad at me. But I didn't want.
Speaker 3: To be the guy that got engaged and then broke
Speaker 3: it off three months later type of thing.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be the guy that.
Speaker 3: At least I could be proud of the fact that
Speaker 3: I didn't propose, right, So I was, But I mean, at.
Speaker 2: Large, I thought I was being the good guy by
Speaker 2: truly not by truly not.
Speaker 3: Proposing, that was a good thing. Yeah, it was brutal,
Speaker 3: but I remember I went on Oprah right after Estella
Speaker 3: and I both did, and it was one of those
Speaker 3: things I thought.
Speaker 4: The crowd was gonna kill me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Oprah's like, I told him he shouldn't
Speaker 3: propose unless you know, blah blah blah, and the crowds like, oh,
Speaker 3: oh okay, and they like a plot.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, I think I'm okay right.
Speaker 2: Now talking about a huge name to drop. No, but
Speaker 2: a huge friend that ended up being really important to
Speaker 2: you was Oprah Winfrey. And again that's how big the
Speaker 2: show was back then, is that Oprah would have us on.
Speaker 2: And I never did Oprah, by the way, but she
Speaker 2: had people from the show on. I never know and
Speaker 2: met all her people and all that, but never was
Speaker 2: a part of the show. But I remember just her
Speaker 2: loving you and really kind of took that bullet for you.
Speaker 2: That was huge because she did it wasn't true. Now
Speaker 2: what she said on that show was not true.
Speaker 3: She stepped in and was like, I mean, it was
Speaker 3: interesting because we had had a conversation about it, and
Speaker 3: she was like, just be true to yourself, you know,
Speaker 3: blah blah. I mean yeah, I mean, effectively, she did
Speaker 3: probably say, you know, don't propably, it's not right for
Speaker 3: you or whatever. But it wasn't like I consulted her,
Speaker 3: you know, before the trip to Harry Winston that day.
Speaker 3: You know, it was like I I mean, but yeah,
Speaker 3: she was an amazing and has for.
Speaker 2: Her to do that in that moment, like she knew
Speaker 2: she was big enough and bulletproof enough that she could
Speaker 2: take that bullet for you. And if she said that,
Speaker 2: then it would turn the tide for her fans, which
Speaker 2: was America at the time everyone and so Oprah essentially
Speaker 2: did made the world do a onet eighty for you
Speaker 2: to a certain degree.
Speaker 3: I think I think I think the things would have
Speaker 3: been a lot different had she not embraced me the
Speaker 3: way that she did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what if you'd done on that show and
Speaker 2: Oprah had gone, you know, really gone after you, like
Speaker 2: you know it said, you know, Bob, you should have
Speaker 2: done this, Like, yeah, they would have destroyed you totally.
Speaker 2: She was a king maker or a king destroyed.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I think she probably still is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: But she was so kind to me, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was one of those things that like we just
Speaker 3: really connected and had a genuine friendship to the point
Speaker 3: where you know, I hadn't. I got I started feeling
Speaker 3: guilty about like reaching out to her, because like God,
Speaker 3: I don't want her to feel like I'm like trying
Speaker 3: to glom onto you know, anything that she does, And
Speaker 3: what could I possibly bring to the table for Oprah,
Speaker 3: you know. And so I remember I was just I
Speaker 3: got in my own head about it, and so for
Speaker 3: years I really didn't even reach out. And and a
Speaker 3: few years ago we ran into each other in an event,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't even gonna say anything. I was like,
Speaker 3: she's busy, you know, and she's Oprah, you know, Forgot's.
Speaker 3: And as she's walking by to go to her car,
Speaker 3: she sees me out of the corner of her.
Speaker 4: Eye and she's like, Bob. And it was so nice.
Speaker 4: It was so cool because.
Speaker 3: I I didn't want to assume that she would remember
Speaker 3: me or you know, she know anything.
Speaker 4: She was so sweet. It's Oprah, She's like the biggest
Speaker 4: being alive, you know.
Speaker 3: And and she came over and gave me a huge
Speaker 3: hug and she's like, oh my god, it's always so
Speaker 3: great to see you. And I remember I literally I
Speaker 3: think I started to cry.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what I did. I was just
Speaker 4: like it was like a fanboy moment, you know.
Speaker 2: It was just when it well, it validates and justifies
Speaker 2: like the love and friendship that you think you have,
Speaker 2: and when you get that back and it's reciprocated, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it was real. That was this many years later because
Speaker 2: you start to think in your head, okay, that was
Speaker 2: just a crazy time. We you know, everybody was, you know,
Speaker 2: benefiting from this. But when there's nothing on the table
Speaker 2: and it means nothing to anybody, it's good to be like, okay, no,
Speaker 2: we we really had that friendship, and to have it
Speaker 2: with again the it's Oprah, she goes by one name,
Speaker 2: there's Bono, there's Oprah Beyond. Yeah, that's it. No, no
Speaker 2: go go she needs the lady, Yeah, you need the lady.
Speaker 2: Got so she's still.
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 2: That was a bizarre friendship that again like in what
Speaker 2: world does this kid from Detroit, Michigan become dear friends
Speaker 2: of Oprah Winfrey? But there there was some dark stuff though,
Speaker 2: you know when you came off the show and what
Speaker 2: part of it came and it was interesting. Nobody will
Speaker 2: ever know about this. Is you did a pilot for
Speaker 2: a talk show? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure did? I mean?
Speaker 3: They I stayed out in LA after we got done
Speaker 3: filming my season.
Speaker 4: I didn't go home.
Speaker 3: I stayed out there because they wanted to roll it
Speaker 3: right into a pilot, which I think became The Ellen Show.
Speaker 4: Actually from how I remember the timing.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but they had me do a pilot for
Speaker 3: a talk show and it was before Ellen, so you know,
Speaker 3: there was the same production company and a lot of
Speaker 3: the ideas.
Speaker 4: I remember seeing them kind.
Speaker 3: Of manifest funny, but it was it was a really
Speaker 3: cool experience. It was a really fun experience. But it
Speaker 3: was also one of those things that I was kind
Speaker 3: of like, man, I just don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if this is I think had it happened, I would
Speaker 3: have loved it because it was just, you know, such
Speaker 3: a fun idea. But it was also one of those
Speaker 3: things where I mean, that's why I started to kind
Speaker 3: of like I realized I was going to lose myself.
Speaker 4: I had to figure it out.
Speaker 3: I had to get control of where I was, my
Speaker 3: head was at, and everything else, because I was part
Speaker 3: of the machine all of a sudden, and it was
Speaker 3: machine was kind of going way faster than I was
Speaker 3: prepared for.
Speaker 2: Right, And you were also when you came on the show,
Speaker 2: you had a rock band YEP called fat Amy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: long before Pitch Perfect Everybody, but which is ironic, before
Speaker 2: Rebel Wilson made it popular. Yeah, you guys had a
Speaker 2: band called fat Amy and you were successful. You had
Speaker 2: a very had at least one album, Well, we had.
Speaker 3: We had three were we were always the band opening
Speaker 3: for the big band, right, So we toured UH on
Speaker 3: this thing called the Aware Tour.
Speaker 4: We toured with match Box twenty. We toured UH.
Speaker 3: The very Pipe was from our hometown. And that's how
Speaker 3: we actually got our deal. Was was them lobbying for
Speaker 3: us and hooting the blowfish. And I got to know
Speaker 3: Darious Rucker before he went solo and became such a
Speaker 3: country sensation. And it's still friends of this day, you know,
Speaker 3: like it's I loved, but it's so funny. People always go, oh,
Speaker 3: you know the bashing I thinks he can sing, and
Speaker 3: I was like, like, well, it's kind.
Speaker 4: Of my real job, like before I was a bachelor.
Speaker 2: It's it. You're I just I want to say, Bob's
Speaker 2: different than the guy who shows up on Night one
Speaker 2: with his guitar and says he can sing. You actually
Speaker 2: had this band and y'all were very successful. This is
Speaker 2: not a Tom Sandoval thing, you know where he's although
Speaker 2: Jimmer does look a lot like Jimmer does look like
Speaker 2: but this was a real thing. But it also became
Speaker 2: a huge point of contention between you and the Bachelor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they wanted you. You were a part of this machine.
Speaker 2: They wanted you, and then you wanted part of your
Speaker 2: old life and that became an issue.
Speaker 4: Well, and I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I had nothing to do with it, if I'm I mean,
Speaker 3: I couldn't control what my record label did.
Speaker 2: And so you know, they because that was existing, that
Speaker 2: was pre the show.
Speaker 3: So they they saw this as a big opportunity to
Speaker 3: market this stuff. I wasn't super comfortable with some of
Speaker 3: what they were doing, to be honest. You know. It
Speaker 3: was you know, Trista's wedding, for example, and they're buying like,
Speaker 3: you know, a commercial spot, and I'm like, geez, that's
Speaker 3: just seems terrible to me.
Speaker 2: But it's part. But you were part of that machine too.
Speaker 2: Now you had two machines cranking up. I did going
Speaker 2: full Bob guinea and you're And the odd thing is
Speaker 2: Bob Guiney wasn't a part of it. You know.
Speaker 4: Now you feel like I had nothing to say about any.
Speaker 2: Who massive machines are rolling on. You're like, uh, you
Speaker 2: guys both have my name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it was an interesting time, for sure.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was kind of scary, to be honest. It was
Speaker 4: one of those things.
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for it, and when it went to
Speaker 3: that next level and then you have like your record label,
Speaker 3: and then you're you know, you're on a network and
Speaker 3: one of the biggest networks world and they're kind of
Speaker 3: fighting over what each other is doing with my likeness.
Speaker 3: I was just I wasn't ready for it. And I
Speaker 3: probably could have handled a whole lot better than I did,
Speaker 3: but at the time, I was just I just sort
Speaker 3: of like I threw my hands in the air. I
Speaker 3: was basically just like, Okay, whatever's gonna happen, here is
Speaker 3: gonna happen.
Speaker 2: And it it.
Speaker 3: It did.
Speaker 2: It got ugly, it blew up, I mean because eventually
Speaker 2: those two things collided and you were stuck in the middle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I sure was ended up getting a Marty
Speaker 3: said really, well, who is a pit bull?
Speaker 2: And it got litigious, It got litigious.
Speaker 3: But you know, it was one of those things too
Speaker 3: that that was when as another time when Oprah stopped
Speaker 3: in I'll never forget, I got served with papers and
Speaker 3: then the same by who by the production company around
Speaker 3: the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: So the Bachelor sued you, Bachelor sued me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I won the right not to not to
Speaker 3: pay a bunch of money that I didn't have, you know, basically,
Speaker 3: that's what I won, the right to.
Speaker 2: Not do that. So you go from being the golden boy,
Speaker 2: the most beloved bachelor, the happy go lucky guy, to
Speaker 2: getting sued yea by the Bachelor. Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: You go.
Speaker 2: Your life's being torn and thrown upside down, but you're
Speaker 2: at your height. Yeah, so's it was this weird juxtaposition
Speaker 2: of you were crushing it bigger and better than you
Speaker 2: ever have and and things are seemingly going well, but
Speaker 2: you're now being sued and things are probably deteriorating with
Speaker 2: your your music world too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, I had to walk away from all of.
Speaker 2: It, actually, and so you ended up losing all of
Speaker 2: it everything. Yeah, so the music career and the Bachelor,
Speaker 2: obviously after the lawsuit, things don't tend to go well.
Speaker 2: It was all gone. Yeah, and then but it.
Speaker 3: Was the only way I could the only way I
Speaker 3: could make it go away was just to walk away.
Speaker 3: So it was one of those things where you know,
Speaker 3: I realized I was just gonna and I and I
Speaker 3: think that the optics weren't good, you know, I looked.
Speaker 4: I looked like the guy who you know, oh he
Speaker 4: hainded out flowers, now anythings he can sing.
Speaker 3: I really did, because you realize that your career wasn't
Speaker 3: what you thought.
Speaker 4: It was, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, even though I was the opening band for
Speaker 3: all these huge acts, no one really knew that, you know, not.
Speaker 4: The way they would see the show every week.
Speaker 3: So it became a thing where I was kind of like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to be the
Speaker 3: guy that what this is looking like?
Speaker 2: It felt gross, It felt felt gross.
Speaker 3: And so it was more or less like I was
Speaker 3: just like, I'm just gonna walk away. I'm gonna take
Speaker 3: some time, go back to my day job, you know.
Speaker 3: And and I was. I was very big on that.
Speaker 3: I mean for the longest time after The Bachelor. I remember,
Speaker 3: you know, they'd call me like, you know, do you
Speaker 3: have any new advice for the Bachelor. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: don't quit your day job. And you're not Ben Affleck, right,
Speaker 3: so I don't think you're gonna you know, you should
Speaker 3: be into movies, just be a normal guy.
Speaker 4: Had to be a hard time so fun.
Speaker 2: It was tough, like, yeah, what did you have a
Speaker 2: low point did you have.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, you know.
Speaker 3: I when I look back on things, I always try
Speaker 3: to I think I just make them rosier so, you know, survive.
Speaker 2: But like most guys, we just swallow those.
Speaker 4: Swallow them up and move on. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there were some some tough times in there,
Speaker 3: but you know, my family, I've always been super close
Speaker 3: to my mom and dad.
Speaker 2: And my sister, and having that support system.
Speaker 4: Oh that was it, you know. I went back to
Speaker 4: I and faithfully.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the nicest compliments I get all
Speaker 3: the time is like, oh, you're the exact same guy
Speaker 3: you were before you were on the show. And that
Speaker 3: means a lot to me because I take pride in that,
Speaker 3: you know, I think I was. I was a person
Speaker 3: who just had a really lucky break and really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: My brother in law used to always say, you know,
Speaker 3: if you tried to make this happen, if you out
Speaker 3: a form to be on The Bachelor, which I never did,
Speaker 3: if you did a video submission, which I never did.
Speaker 3: So you know, when someone says, how do you end
Speaker 3: up on in reality, I'm like, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, do you I have no clue.
Speaker 4: I just you know, my butla you saway say it best.
Speaker 3: He'd be like, you're the guy that just walks up,
Speaker 3: you step in a pile of dogs, you peel a
Speaker 3: hundred dollar bill off your shoe.
Speaker 4: He's like, that's just who you are.
Speaker 3: And I was like, thanks, buddy, I think that's a compliment.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think I I just went back
Speaker 3: to that. I was kind of like, well, this was
Speaker 3: a really cool experience, and you know, I think I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna I'm probably gonna get a lot more praise
Speaker 3: than I deserve, and I'm got a lot more criticism
Speaker 3: than I deserve.
Speaker 4: Probably haven't earned any of that.
Speaker 3: But I'm just gonna roll with it, you know, and
Speaker 3: and just get back to my life and focus.
Speaker 4: And you know, when I look at it now, you know,
Speaker 4: all these years later, years later, and.
Speaker 3: I'm happily married and I have a four year old
Speaker 3: and a two year old, it's like, I firmly believe
Speaker 3: that your life.
Speaker 4: Goes where it goes for a reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I probably wouldn't be here with you, feeling
Speaker 3: the way I feel about my family and being so
Speaker 3: lucky if I hadn't done the show.
Speaker 2: At some point, I can attest to two things. Number One,
Speaker 2: you are exactly who you were when I met you
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. You have not changed one iota the same,
Speaker 2: just stand up, good human being and you know, getting
Speaker 2: put in the spin cycle of life that you did,
Speaker 2: you came out the same. And that's really a testament
Speaker 2: to you, your family, your faith, and who you are
Speaker 2: and to see where you are in life right now,
Speaker 2: Like it just makes my heart explode like it does
Speaker 2: when I see how in love you are, how in
Speaker 2: love you are with your kids, what a dad you are,
Speaker 2: how you know you do some stuff where it's in
Speaker 2: the limelight a little bit, but you know, I see
Speaker 2: all these other videos and pictures where you're just messing
Speaker 2: around with the kids and just live in your life,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's the good stuff. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that's the good stuff.
Speaker 3: I took. It took me a long time to get there, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: first kid at forty eight. I don't necessarily advise that
Speaker 3: to most people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll admit I was walking into my room the
Speaker 2: other night and I thought, not gonna lie kind of glad.
Speaker 2: I don't have it a four and a two year
Speaker 2: old run Now It's like I'm like, I'm going this week,
Speaker 2: I'm going home and I'm driving up to TCU to
Speaker 2: pick up both my kids at college and drive them
Speaker 2: home for the summer. And they have their summer jobs.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, and Bob's going home and he's getting
Speaker 2: ready to put his first in kindergarten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be changing some diapers this weekend.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Yeah, good stuff. It's good. That is the
Speaker 2: messy good stuff. And it gets better and every stage
Speaker 2: is good. And you know, I was trying to think.
Speaker 2: I was like, was it better to do it as
Speaker 2: a young dad? Maybe I had more the ability to
Speaker 2: not sleep and you know, maybe had a little more patience,
Speaker 2: or would it be better to go through it at
Speaker 2: fifty one fifty two, which we are, and you have
Speaker 2: such perspective in life. You got the ability of life
Speaker 2: experience that I didn't have as a dad. You know
Speaker 2: what's important. You know, you can kind of look at
Speaker 2: things and go, you know, what's not a big deal? This,
Speaker 2: this is not a big deal. Yeah, it's like so,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I fought more battles as a
Speaker 2: thirty to thirty five year old dad as opposed to
Speaker 2: fifty where I'd be like, you know, it's not important,
Speaker 2: little league, Like, let him go have fun. You know
Speaker 2: he's not going to play in the game. You're fine,
Speaker 2: it's good, Yeah, build build the sand castle out in
Speaker 2: the outfield. It's totally fine. You know, you don't need
Speaker 2: a hitching, a hitting coach, or a pitching coach at
Speaker 2: age four. Now that those are the things I think
Speaker 2: you learned. Probably you're probably a little more chill than
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just so lucky to have these boys in
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny. I mean, we've talked about the
Speaker 4: other night.
Speaker 3: I don't know how. I don't even know what love
Speaker 3: was until I had these boys. And I'm so thankful that,
Speaker 3: you know, I was at the right place when I
Speaker 3: met Canyon that I realized, you know, god, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: try this one more time. I haven't been super great
Speaker 3: at you know, marriage here, and it was so awesome
Speaker 3: that she kind of came into it.
Speaker 4: She's like, hey, third times a charm, let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, hit it off. And
Speaker 2: because I will say, you have to be a special
Speaker 2: someone to be married to Bob Guineas, Oh my.
Speaker 3: Gosh, I wouldn't even wish it on my worst I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, the thing about her that's so great is
Speaker 3: you know, she rolls with it.
Speaker 4: She nothing, you know, nothing surprises her offends her.
Speaker 3: When we're out in public, you know, she'll be the
Speaker 3: first one to be like, here, hear me your phone,
Speaker 3: let me get this for you, you know, and she'll take
Speaker 3: a picture.
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, we want you in it too.
Speaker 3: She's like, no, you don't, okay, Yard, you know, and
Speaker 3: she just says, no ego in it, which I think
Speaker 3: is so cool.
Speaker 4: And and then when it comes to our boys and me,
Speaker 4: she's just the most amazing mom. It's like she dedicates
Speaker 4: her whole life to these kids.
Speaker 3: And and I'm just I'm envious. I'm awestruck by it,
Speaker 3: you know, I really am. I look at it, I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: how does she think to do that stuff? Like I
Speaker 3: would never think to turn this stupid, you know, piece
Speaker 3: of paper into some great game that she just did.
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 2: That's why it helps to have too, right, because you
Speaker 2: deliver something that she can't. And that's that's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: And the best part is, I know you had a
Speaker 2: great time here at the Kentucky Derby. I'm glad we
Speaker 2: sat down and talked. You are one of my favorite
Speaker 2: human beings in this world. I love you dearly, and
Speaker 2: you know you would for twenty years. Twenty years we've
Speaker 2: been friends, and I can't.
Speaker 4: Believe I'm saying time to be buddies.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm saying this, but happy fifty second birthday.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Who would have thought we would have made
Speaker 2: it to fifty one and man two.
Speaker 4: I can't believe we're still here.
Speaker 2: You and I definitely beat the odds.
Speaker 4: We sure did. I love you, buddy. Thank you for
Speaker 4: having me on. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Bob' gonna get out of here.
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