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Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever, and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how much I appreciate you doing

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Speaker 2: this in general, much less the day after the derby.

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Speaker 2: This seemed like a great idea. I'm going to do

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Speaker 2: a post Kentucky Derby show with Bob Guiney because it

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Speaker 2: means so much to him. Let's just do it the

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Speaker 2: morning after. God, it was a terrible idea.

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Speaker 3: It seemed like a great idea when you brought it up.

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Speaker 3: And now I have no voice and I'm getting on

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Speaker 3: a plan.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Bob Ginny just walked in my hotel room

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Speaker 2: so we could record this. He was kind enough to

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Speaker 2: bring a bottle of gatorade in two waters. As you know.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. This weekend has reminded me how much

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Speaker 2: I love you and adore you and why we are

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Speaker 2: such good friends. And then last night, I guess this

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Speaker 2: morning has reminded me, well, why we can't hang out.

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Speaker 4: No, No, two of us together is just a bad mix.

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Speaker 2: The last thing we I think we complus last night

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Speaker 2: was all dancing in your room at three o'clock in

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Speaker 2: the morning.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's pretty much it. That's the last thing I

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Speaker 3: have in my repertoire for the.

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Speaker 2: Weekend in the memory, You've been coming to the Derby

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Speaker 2: for how many years?

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Speaker 4: Eighteen?

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Speaker 2: This was eighteen. It's something that we have been talking

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Speaker 2: about doing together for eighteen years. Yeah, I mean since

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Speaker 2: you started this, And obviously I was busy handing out

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Speaker 2: roses around the world and always got home the week

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Speaker 2: after the Derby, so it just never worked out for

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Speaker 2: eighteen years. Finally Lauren and I were able to come

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Speaker 2: and do this and it was awesome.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's such a perfect fit for you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: someone who you know, you actually know a lot about

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Speaker 3: the horses and horse racing and things of that nature.

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Speaker 4: But I mean everyone just the door'd haven you guys.

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Speaker 2: Here, Louisville, the Derby, everything was just spot on. We

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Speaker 2: had an absolute blast. The only thing that didn't make

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Speaker 2: it out was our dignity in your voice exactly, you know,

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Speaker 2: I always know that was always your thing. Bob loses

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Speaker 2: his voice.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy for someone who's like a singer, because I'm

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Speaker 3: like my job, my whole life. It's like you would

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Speaker 3: think I'd have vocal stability, but I do not.

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Speaker 2: What is it about this because now you're a married

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Speaker 2: man with kids, and it's not so easy for you

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Speaker 2: to leave home and do things like this. Why is

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Speaker 2: the Derby, Like, why is this such a thing for you?

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Speaker 2: Why do you want to come back here every year?

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Speaker 3: I think the fact that it falls on my birthday weekend, Yes,

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Speaker 3: it is always a big deal. And then I think

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Speaker 3: it's just the same group of people doing the same thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like a consistency and that and that friendship.

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Speaker 4: And then I really love what the York Sisters do. Uh.

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Speaker 3: They they commit to giving all this money to charities,

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Speaker 3: and so it means a lot to me.

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Speaker 4: It's not just another like, yeah, you know, show up

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Speaker 4: at the opening of a Kroger type of thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like, actually, you you show those pay well?

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Speaker 4: All those are great and I do enjoy a pastry section.

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Speaker 2: And if you need, Bob and I for any Kroger. No,

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Speaker 2: we love it, We love it.

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Speaker 3: But I just I love their commitment to the charities

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Speaker 3: and they and they give them. They're almost all children

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Speaker 3: related charities, and that just means something to.

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Speaker 2: Me and you. For you, I know it's your your

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Speaker 2: best friends are here, your dear friend Warre Moon of

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Speaker 2: course NFL legend. Jimmer's not athletic at all, but still

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Speaker 2: still a friend of yours. Yes, surprisingly he was on

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Speaker 2: the show, right, No, he wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Jimmers was not. No, Jimmers was my brother in law's

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Speaker 4: best friend growing up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so my brother in law came into my life

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Speaker 3: Why so, so I related more to Jimmer and we just

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Speaker 2: So Elsie and I of course talked about our Derby

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Speaker 2: experience and all that. But this thing has definitely become

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Speaker 2: a marathon, not a sprint. It is extended into three

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Speaker 2: full days of it has become the super Bowl. It's

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Speaker 2: become you know, Marty Gral, It's an event. It's it

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Speaker 2: started the day you guys got your Thursday Friday's the Oaks,

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Speaker 3: It's a long run, and it's not like I mean,

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Speaker 3: a different experience. Just I mean, you know, I'm hydrating

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Speaker 2: So I know why you do this, the brotherhood, and

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Speaker 2: you really love it. It means a lot to you. But

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Speaker 2: how difficult are these times? Now? You have a one

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Speaker 2: year old, you're a four year old, it's not easy

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Speaker 2: to leave home? Now how much does your wife hate you?

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Speaker 4: A lot? Right now?

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Speaker 3: She's not here, so I know she couldn't make the

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Speaker 2: As it married. Being married is one thing. Being married

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Speaker 2: whether she imposes it or not. It's yeah, many times,

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Speaker 4: I mean, and I'm out here, you know, just having

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Speaker 2: So because you have a one year old, a four

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Speaker 2: year old, that means they're not probably keeping through the night.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's sick, somebody's doing something, someone's crying, someone got hurt,

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Speaker 2: or even if things are perfect, it's still a lot.

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Speaker 2: And so how how do you weigh those things? How

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Speaker 2: do you guys get through it? As a couple.

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Speaker 4: I just like everyone else.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's one of those things where

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Speaker 4: So we struggle through that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go home today and try and act like

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Speaker 3: I'm not hungover, and you know, put in a full

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Speaker 3: and you know. But but my wife really does. She

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Speaker 3: does all the heavy lifting.

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Speaker 2: That is key, the you know, the returning from a

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Speaker 2: only thing worse than going on the trip, is that move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go home and lay on the couch,

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Speaker 2: You better suck it up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I will be high energy all day long

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Speaker 3: and my voice will hopefully I have restored by then.

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Speaker 4: And she'll never know the wiser.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I'm sure she has no idea. You parted

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Speaker 2: like a rock s Yeah, right, but it is as

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Speaker 2: a when you were in a relationship like that, even

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Speaker 2: the best of them, it's not easy. No, And is

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Speaker 2: she not to put her on the spot, but was

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Speaker 2: she supportive of all this or at times even if

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Speaker 2: she is supportive, is it still you have those conversations

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Speaker 2: of sure, you're son of a bitch for people, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's super supportive. I mean, you know, one

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Speaker 3: of the things I love about my wife is we

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Speaker 3: are it's it's interesting. It's a great balance. Like she

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Speaker 3: doesn't have any interest in She won't walk the red

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Speaker 4: Not that she doesn't love me and support me, she

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Speaker 3: And you know, and it doesn't it's not something that's

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Speaker 4: It's been great.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: why this just dawned on me, but you are kind

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Speaker 2: of in the situation that I was in when we met,

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Speaker 2: when you were when you were bachelor. Joshua was born,

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Speaker 2: Trista's wedding, and so they even they were a little

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Speaker 2: we've switched places, we have, but we're the same age

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Speaker 2: can't begin to tell you how much I I honestly

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Speaker 2: love the fact now that I do see people like you,

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Speaker 2: and Catherine have you know, fifty kids? I think, I think,

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Speaker 2: But it's fun to watch all of you, and it's

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Speaker 3: N I don't know how you did it. I really

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Speaker 4: I mean, your schedule was so crazy back then.

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Speaker 4: And as much as I want to.

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Speaker 2: Be there, that's the thing, even even a weekend like this,

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Speaker 3: These will be secondary, you know. And I and and

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Speaker 3: I know that. I think that was partially this year

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Speaker 3: I think part of it was that, I mean, part

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Speaker 4: And so I mean I always thought about that.

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Speaker 3: Like after the Bachelor stuff, I remember thinking to myself, like,

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Speaker 4: It's gonna happen any day, and you know, so I'm like.

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Speaker 3: I might as well enjoy these moments while they while

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Speaker 3: they come, because odds are they're not gonna last forever,

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Speaker 3: you know, And they've lasted way longer than I anticipated.

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Speaker 2: How has being a dad changed you? Like, what do

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Speaker 2: you think is the biggest change?

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Speaker 3: I don't even I mean, I think the fact that

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Speaker 3: I don't even think I knew what love was until

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Speaker 3: I had my kids. Yeah, I love my wife very much,

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Speaker 3: but you know, there's a car coming and it's gonna

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Speaker 4: I'm you know, to quote Ryan Reynolds, I'll use it

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Speaker 4: as a human shield.

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Speaker 3: Right. It's like, you know, I love my wife to death,

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Speaker 3: but it's like you don't know love until you realize

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Speaker 3: that you've created life. And and then you have these

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Speaker 2: Them every waking moment. Yeah, you either think about them,

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Speaker 2: worry about them, wonder about them. And you and I

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Speaker 2: talked about this. I think it was yesterday when you

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Speaker 4: And here I come.

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Speaker 3: And what a lot of people don't realize is how

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Speaker 2: You were the chubby guy, but you were like the chubby,

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Speaker 2: And al y'all's group, especially this ridicule. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: he blew out his achilles. I think it was, yeah,

440
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,920
Speaker 2: that maybe maybe they're just all around athlete that's ever

441
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,639
Speaker 2: come to the show. That guy is a freak.

442
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:13,440
Speaker 4: He's a freaking nation.

443
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah he now he does you know, triathlons and everything else,

444
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 3: and but he didn't talk about it, you know, And

445
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 3: it was embarrassing for me to have to talk about

446
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,520
Speaker 3: the basically I was basically a party planner in college.

447
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 3: I mean that was like the football team's party planner.

448
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 3: And here you have this guy who is just a

449
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 3: beast who doesn't talk about it, and I'm like, come on, dude,

450
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 3: you gotta talk about it.

451
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 2: You went pretty far. How quickly did you know it

452
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 2: was over? And it was Ryan?

453
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Well, I'll never forget we were.

454
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Charlie was a part of that mix.

455
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 4: Charlie was in the mix.

456
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I remember and and I love Charlie.

457
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 4: I mean he and I are still friends of this

458
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 4: day too.

459
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 3: But I remember being on a group date with Trista

460
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 3: and we're on a hammock and it's it's basically time

461
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 3: to make out with trusta day, right, and I'm just like,

462
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 3: I can't do it.

463
00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 4: I just can't do it.

464
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 3: And so we really got on this hammock and she's

465
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 3: talking to me about something and I just go, you know,

466
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 3: I think I should. I think it's probably time for

467
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 3: me to go home. And I'm like, I, you know,

468
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 3: I don't know when you're what just actually said to me.

469
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 3: She goes when I'm with you, I come home and

470
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 3: everyone's like reading the Bible. But when you're at home

471
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: with the guys and I'm on a different date, I

472
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 3: come home and it's like a frat party.

473
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 4: People are like, I'm like, what am I supposed to do?

474
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 4: Like get mad?

475
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 3: You're dating twenty of my friends. Yeah, but it was

476
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: like the focus was just different. I mean Ryan was

477
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 3: so laser focused and the rest of us were just

478
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 3: a bunch of jackasses having a great time.

479
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah we're playing checkers.

480
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 3: Oh he was playing jazz. He was head and shouldrens

481
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 3: above us. Yeah.

482
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's kind.

483
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 3: Of where you start to realize, you know, that's why

484
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 3: they have a real relationship to this day. It wasn't

485
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 3: manufacturing for TV. It was genuine, truly was.

486
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

487
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 2: I remember coming over one night because so you know,

488
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: back in the day, again, there was no real rules,

489
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: even for me. I would just kind of come hang

490
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: out with you guys from time to time and have

491
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 2: a beer and hang out and chat. And so I

492
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 2: remember coming over one day though, and all of the

493
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 2: pool furniture was on the roof. You guys had set

494
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 2: the entire pool furniture set up on the roof. Were

495
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: just that somebody. I remember Jamie was eating dog food.

496
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 2: At one point, you guys put one of the guys

497
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: out in the yard. You picked French Jack, French you

498
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: put you picked up his bed and he was passed

499
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: out asleep, and you guys carried him outside and he

500
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: didn't wake up until the sprinklets came. So stupid, I mean,

501
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 2: but that's funny. That stuff just doesn't happen anymore, that chemistry.

502
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 2: And I think because the show is not what it

503
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 2: was as far as the innocence of naivete and so

504
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: it's not it's not anything against anyone who comes after

505
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: you guys, but now people have a different mindset and

506
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: a different goal when they come in. Sure, you guys,

507
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: because it didn't exist, didn't think, Hey, how can I

508
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: get the most followers follow What can I say that's

509
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: going to be perfect? You know, what's really going to

510
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: make America love me? And how am I going to

511
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: be endearing? And how am I going to you know,

512
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: sell shoes or face.

513
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 4: Kid?

514
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

515
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, I think that you know, it's funny. Russ

516
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: it yeah, Russ, I forget his last name from Arizona.

517
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he Russ was the only one that came

518
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 3: in with a gift and I remember he gave Trista

519
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: something from Tiffany's that he had like engraved for her

520
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: or something, and we're all like, who the hell is

521
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 3: this guy?

522
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: What's this?

523
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: You know, it was like you know, now they come

524
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 3: in on horses and do all sorts of crazy stuff.

525
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: All Russ was doing was being considerate and kind and

526
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: you know, thoughtful, and we were all like, what the hell, Like,

527
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: what's this guy doing? And he somehow got cast as

528
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: a villain when he wasn't a villainous guy. Yeah, he

529
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: was a really kind and nice guy and you know,

530
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: it was one of the but but we also really

531
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: liked him too. Like it was, you know, it's not

532
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: the caddy stuff that I think people go in there now.

533
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: But there wasn't social media. I think at best it

534
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: was my space back then.

535
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, someone may have written a blog.

536
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah there's a chat room here and there.

537
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: You know.

538
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very innocent and well and it allowed

539
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 2: us as producers. But also is the show to just

540
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: shoot the entire show and then show it to you

541
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: as we intended it, right, which sometimes is good. Sometimes

542
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: it is bad because honestly, it allows you to change things,

543
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: manipulate things, whatever, but it allowed us to put this

544
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: thing in the can. You guys would could go be

545
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: quiet because you weren't being followed. There was no way

546
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: to kind of expose, say, say Bob Ginny went back

547
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: and went on a date, because heaven forbid, you're off

548
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: the show for five months.

549
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 4: Date.

550
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's not it's not all over the network.

551
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 2: And so it just allowed everybody to escape a little

552
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: bit more and enjoy the show how we intended it,

553
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: how it should have been.

554
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's true.

555
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: I think now it's just you know, that was a

556
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 3: different beast that yeah became. It became such a part

557
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 3: of the fabric of our you know, our daily like

558
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 3: water cooler conversations at work and things of that. Nature

559
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: of the show became such a big deal. And you know,

560
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: it's fun though. I mean, you know, I think you

561
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: and I both this weekend realized how much people resonate with,

562
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: especially our era the show. You know, they were i mean,

563
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: your era obviously spans much further than mine, but they're they're.

564
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 4: Like, those are the good old days. Oh my god,

565
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: it was so great.

566
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: That it is awesome. I mean, I will say, well,

567
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: I'll tap us both on the shoulder. As you know,

568
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time together this weekend. I

569
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: mean our hotel rooms are literally like across from each other.

570
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: It was a long walk with my water bottles here.

571
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 4: It was.

572
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: And so we've spent a lot of time together this weekend,

573
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 2: which has been amazing because you've also gotten to know Lauren. Yeah,

574
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: she's wonderful, which obviously has changed my life. And yeah,

575
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: then as you said last night, you're like, I think

576
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 2: I've been best friends with her forever.

577
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 4: God, how have I not met her a thought time?

578
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: That's LZ. Anyone who meets her, she is contagious. When

579
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: when that gets in your blood, it's over. And so

580
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: it's been awesome for me to see you get to

581
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: know her and spend some time, you know, because people

582
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: are so important in my life. I'm like, okay, I

583
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: need you have to meet Z. And so this has

584
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: been this has been coming for a long time. But

585
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 2: going to the track hanging out and there was you know,

586
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand people there yesterday, it was

587
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: just it was fun to me to be with you

588
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: and have people come up to us NonStop and take

589
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: pictures and just talk about the good old days, how

590
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: much they loved and appreciated just what we were doing

591
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: back then, which which is still wonderful. And people always apologize,

592
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: and I always say, please, first of all, they're being wonderful,

593
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: their being kind. I'm like, don't apologize. It changed our lives.

594
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 4: It really did.

595
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I, you can't do a show like that,

596
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 3: And then.

597
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 4: Well, I guess, I guess you can.

598
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.

599
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: A show like that, and I was so fortunate that

600
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: I was treated nicely in the editing bay. And you know,

601
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: from that from that point on, you know, I've always

602
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: had people be so kind to me. And it's never

603
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: been a thing where, you know, yeah, I might be

604
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: eating and they come over. I'm like, that's awesome, thank you,

605
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: you know, thanks for caring. You know, It's never been

606
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 3: a thing where I feel like I take it for granted,

607
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: or or I think I'm too important to take a

608
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: minute to take a picture of someone.

609
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, you'll get guys up.

610
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: Like a certain someone we saw yesterday who was in

611
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: our area, legendary singer who just walked by Bob and

612
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: I and then walked through the entire crowd, would not

613
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: make eye contact, would not smile, would not I'm like,

614
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: and I looked at you and I said, man, I

615
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: hope we never act like.

616
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: I love that, you know, I hope we're never too

617
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: I thought. I I think what you said was like

618
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: something like, I hope I'm never too self important to

619
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: be kind. Yeah, and I and I thought that was

620
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: a really great thing to say, because it's true.

621
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: Like like there's Allerson didn't have to stop and anything,

622
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: but it just show to say hi, just say yeah, Hi,

623
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: smile like you know, people are kind of looking at

624
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: you as you're walking through. It's like it's okay to

625
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: make eye contact, and so you don't you know, I

626
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: get it if you don't want to like spend your

627
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: day glad handing everybody, because there's times when you just don't.

628
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: But it was just interesting to see. And I was like,

629
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: we you and I are the juxtaposition. We're just like

630
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: like you want to hug, you want to And so

631
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: it was even last night when uh, you know, we

632
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: hung out with the jockey Hovey Or Castellano, the winner

633
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: of the Dort. We took a picture with him last night.

634
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: It was just it's been really fun to be back

635
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: in this cause I haven't been it with you in

636
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: a long time, A lot of time. Yeah, And it's

637
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: fun to step in it, you know, with them, with

638
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: Andrew Firestone or if I go whoever I'm visiting at

639
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: the time. It's that that's a cool thing. So you

640
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: go on after Trist's season, yep, obviously there was a

641
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: season in between, and then we do you as the Bachelor,

642
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: your name the Bachelor, right, be honest, at the end

643
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: of all of it, was that a good thing or

644
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: a bad thing for you to be the Bachelor? Oh?

645
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 4: I think it was.

646
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: I think it was a great thing. I think you know,

647
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: it's interesting though I didn't want to do it. I

648
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: was the lovable loser from Trist' to season right, so

649
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: I was in this spot that was just it was fun.

650
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 3: There was no pressure and and so I was kind

651
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: of like, I don't think I want to be the

652
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: Bachelor guy.

653
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: Because at that time.

654
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: The show was always edited that whoever the runner up

655
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: was is the one that got all the FaceTime, right,

656
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: so that person was going to be and then whoever

657
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: you choose is almost like a disappointment. And in the

658
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: way that they edited the show, and I remember thinking, God,

659
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: I just don't want that kind of pressure and what

660
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 3: if I if there isn't someone for me there, And

661
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: you know, I was worried about that. And but I'm

662
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: so thankful that I did the show because it really

663
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: did kind of set the tone for me in a

664
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: lot of ways how I wanted to be perceived from

665
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: my people. You know, I was, I came off the show.

666
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: I was exactly who I was on the show, and

667
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: you know, and I set the bar very low for myself,

668
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: I guess in that regard, So you know, it wasn't

669
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: really having to strive too hard to reach the what

670
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: people would expect from me.

671
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: But I was lucky.

672
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think it was a different

673
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: time of the show, a huge time of the show,

674
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: like thirty million viewers back.

675
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was massive. It was easily the number one

676
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: show on TV. We had thirty plus million viewers watching

677
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: the show. I mean, it was outdrawing the Oscars, out

678
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: drawing the World Series. I remember there's this old magazine

679
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: that I can't explain what a magazine is, just google it,

680
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: but Sports Illustrated came out and they always had this

681
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: little box. It was like the sign of the apocalypse.

682
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: It was like, okay, sign that the world has changed.

683
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: And it was like Bachelor out draws the World Series,

684
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, this show was just a monster

685
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: back then.

686
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: That had to be crazy for you.

687
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: Well, it was because I you know, it was like

688
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: I always say, it was like go into the NFL

689
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: your first year and you go straight to the super

690
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: Bowl and win because it was my first network gig. Yeah,

691
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: and so I knew the show was big. I knew

692
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: my life was changing, but I didn't understand how because

693
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: I hadn't been in the league for a while. Sure,

694
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: if you're a veteran. I was a rookie, and I'm

695
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: just like, okay, is this good? Is this bad? Like, yeah, no,

696
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: thirty three million's pretty good. You're kind of crushing it.

697
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: And so, and it wasn't just you know, the entertainment

698
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: shows and entertainment magazines that were so prominent at the

699
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: time that we're talking about us. It was Time Magazine,

700
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: it was the New York Times. It was like the

701
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: every radio station you turned on on it was actually

702
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays back then. I think still we were I

703
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: think going against the West wing. It was either or

704
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: Ally McBeal was on at the time and so we

705
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: would get up on Thursdays and it was just bonkers.

706
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about this show.

707
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: I was so afraid I was going to be the

708
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: one that took it, took it down, Like I remember,

709
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: I remember when they.

710
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: I was worried about that.

711
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: When they asked me to be the Bachelor, I was

712
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: just like, God, I can't, I can't take this down.

713
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: And what's really interesting now with you know, the podcasts

714
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: and stuff that we both are involved in, I've gotten

715
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: to know some of the newer bachelors, you know, like

716
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: I got to meet a couple of the guys most recently,

717
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: like Clayton and the most recent Bachelor as well.

718
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: And man, I feel like.

719
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: These guys have so much pressure on them, like they're

720
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: so scared the franchise is going to.

721
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: Go down with them at the Helm.

722
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: And I told him, I my guys twenty years ago,

723
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: I felt the exact same way.

724
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: I get it.

725
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: I was mostly concerned that it was going to be

726
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: the worst rated season or you know, it's just going

727
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: to be a dumpster fire with me on.

728
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: It, I don't know the new guys that obviously I'm

729
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: not a part of it, and so I I don't

730
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: know them, but I've I've run into a couple of

731
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: people at you know, iHeart events or whatever, and one

732
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: of the recent bachelorettes, and tell me, if if you

733
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: get you get this vibe. So and by the way,

734
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: Bob does an amazing podcast with Trista. Yes, the godmother

735
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: of the franchise. God Yes, and you're like the odd

736
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: step uncle.

737
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: I'm I'm the u.

738
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: So I always say she's the fairy godmother and I

739
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: am clearly.

740
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: The grandfather, the creepy grandfather, the creepy grandpa. But I

741
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: met them, and tell me, if you feel this. They

742
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: don't seem happy as they come off. It's it's I

743
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: don't know if it's the pressure of it all, if

744
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: it's it's everything. But I I talked to a few

745
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: of them and I left thinking, Wow, they just have

746
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: so much angst and anxiety, and it's I don't know

747
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: if they're just worried about if I come off wrong

748
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: or if I'm if I say the wrong thing, I'm

749
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: going to be canceled, if you know. I just think

750
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: there's so much pressure put on the franchise, on them,

751
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: maybe by society, maybe by themselves too self imposed. Sure,

752
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: but I just feel this weight I.

753
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: Think in social media, honestly, I really do. Like you know,

754
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: they go on the show and and you know the

755
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: difference between when we well, when I was doing the

756
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: show and now, I mean, we didn't have Facebook, Instagram,

757
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: any of that stuff.

758
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: You got to someone hated you and Poughkeepsie.

759
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: Or yeah, you probably wouldn't know.

760
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: You're probably not gonna know about it, but.

761
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: Man, now you hear about it.

762
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: And I think I think there's a lot of I

763
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of just aggression. You know, people

764
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: sitting mind a keyboard and say whatever they want to say.

765
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: And I think these guys.

766
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: There's no culpability, there's no culpability, no responsibility for what

767
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: you're saying, and you don't.

768
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: It hurts, you know, it hurts to hear of these

769
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: things and right or wrong. And I would see a

770
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: nice thing about myself and I'd go, oh, that's a

771
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: nice thing. I'd see like I'd see twenty nice things.

772
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: Wouldn't resonate with me, see one mean thing. I couldn't

773
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: forget it for months, And you know, people, I think

774
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: forget that. These guys are just real normal people, you.

775
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: Know, and they are and they you're right. And that's

776
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: the thing is people think, well, they put themselves on TV,

777
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: they signed up for this. And I always said, you

778
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: know why I defended everybody is no, they really don't

779
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: know what they signed up for because you can't possibly

780
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: understand what it's like to be shot out of a

781
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: cannon and have your hair lit on fire. Yeah, you

782
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: can watch it a million times, but until you are

783
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: shot out of that cannon, you're like, oh, now I

784
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, now I get it, and you know,

785
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: you grab and.

786
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: It makes you paranoid.

787
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: I mean I remember, I remember coming off the show.

788
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, this is two thousand and three and

789
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: I come back to my home in Michigan and I

790
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: owned a home. It was a small, you know, Q

791
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: little house and everything. I come home and uh, National

792
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: inquirers at my front you'll lawn, and I'm like, oh

793
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: my god, Like you.

794
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: Know what am I supposed to do?

795
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 4: Like how do I act?

796
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: Like do I do I just you know, move past

797
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: them and ignore them, lawn, But what do I do

798
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: in my hands? You know, how do I hold my face?

799
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: And you don't know? And you know, I mean I

800
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: think about things like even back then, you know, the

801
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: things that would get like micro analyzed or or you're

802
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: hyper analyzed. I remember, you know, Meredith was on my

803
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: season before Speaking the Best, and we went to her

804
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: grandmother's grave site, which I was really against because in

805
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 3: my mind, I was like, I don't think our relationship.

806
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: Is there yet.

807
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to exploit it with her.

808
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 3: Mom and dad right with me, and but I remember,

809
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: we're approaching the site and I go to, you know,

810
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: as one would, I go to put my arm around her, like,

811
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 3: you know, her shoulder area, right, and I'll never forget.

812
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: I get home, you know, after we're done filming, and

813
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: there's a thing in us weekly and it looks like

814
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 3: my hands on her.

815
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: Butt and it was just rising, but it.

816
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: Was just rising to go to our shoulder. And they're like,

817
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: what kind of pig would you.

818
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: Know feel up a girl?

819
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: Feel up a girl in a grave site? I'm like

820
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 4: what I mean?

821
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: And then it's like do I do I defend myself,

822
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: Like do I speak out against this or do I

823
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: just you know, take it in your mind.

824
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 4: Everyone's seeing that and you don't know.

825
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: If it's you know, and you're right in your mind,

826
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: you're in the middle of this tempest and it feels

827
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: so big. So it feels so and you know, trying

828
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: to help everybody navigate that. And you you didn't have

829
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: an easy time coming out of the show.

830
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well because I didn't you know, I didn't propose

831
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: and that was a big deal. And then, you know,

832
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: I did meet someone shortly after we were you know,

833
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: after the finale and everything. I met who I ended

834
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: up marrying subsequently divorcing, but she's you know, uh, it was.

835
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: It was interesting because the way everyone viewed it was,

836
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: oh my god, the dude leaves the show and now

837
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 3: he's with a soap opera.

838
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: Person's right. The show got done filming in July.

839
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 2: Guys, especially back then, there was a long break between

840
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: stopping the filming and then the show would air. And

841
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: you weren't in love with who you had finished the

842
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: show with, and nothing against her, It's just that's the

843
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: way it was. There was no chemistry and the relationship

844
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna work, and you had already moved on met

845
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: somebody ironically kind of doing some Bachelor stuff.

846
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a show. I did a show that

847
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: made fun of the Bachelor. Uh, basically, make you fun

848
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: of me. I went on and like we would, you know,

849
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 3: go through episodes and I would just rip on myself basically,

850
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: which I loved. And uh, and the girl that hosted

851
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: that show, I ended up marrying her. It was kind

852
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: of funny, but uh, but yeah, it was. It was

853
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: a tough time, and I think one of the cool things.

854
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: You know, and I'm sure this happens a lot, but thankfully,

855
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: you know, I chose Estella. Uh and Kelly Joe is

856
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 3: my runner up, and thankfully I'm still friendly with both

857
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: of them. You know, are so thankful for that, because yeah,

858
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 3: like Estella just got married and you know, there's so

859
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: much going on in her life. And then Kelly Joe's

860
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: got like three kids, I think, and she's you know,

861
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: the married to a hockey player. And I mean, it's

862
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: just they were both such cool people and to go

863
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: through that kind of weird experience with someone, I was

864
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: just thankful that we have each other to kind of

865
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: talk about it.

866
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: With, right, I mean, because you can only only those

867
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: people will truly understand how nuts it was, and especially

868
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: for you and Estella, it was. It was a lot.

869
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 4: It was crazy.

870
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we I I remember feeling so bad for

871
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: her because you know at the time, like I said,

872
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: it was always geared towards the runner.

873
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: Up to be the big revealed.

874
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I remember I was like, god it, Stella

875
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: deserves more than this. Like people are just like, why

876
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: did you pick Kelly Joe? You know, and I was like,

877
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: you haven't gotten to know Stella.

878
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 4: She's wonderful. I mean, she was such a wonderful person.

879
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: It's such a wonderful it feels. So I don't know

880
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 2: the end of your show for how light and fun

881
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: it was, did it feel a little dark?

882
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: Oh it was heavy.

883
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think the hardest part about being on

884
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: a show like that is you're whether you've been someone

885
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: who dates a bunch of people or not. I mean,

886
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: you are legitimately hurting people's feelings and who have never

887
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: done anything wrong. Because there the entire five weeks you've

888
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 3: been on the well back then we filmed over five weeks.

889
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: The five weeks you've been there, it's just been all

890
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: about you. It's they they are, you know, everything is

891
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: about them basically telling you that you're the greatest thing

892
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: on earth, right, and now you're breaking up with them.

893
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 4: And I remember Kelly Joe.

894
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember the scene where she like,

895
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: I mean, she literally like I'm holding her hands. I'm like,

896
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: but she just throws her hands down and walks, you know,

897
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: And I remember that.

898
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 4: I remember that being pretty brutal.

899
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: And then, you know, but then also I also wasn't

900
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: going to propose, So I was kind of in the

901
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: situation where I'm like, Katy, I'm letting down Estella too, right,

902
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 3: I'm letting down the whole franchise.

903
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 4: Everyone's gonna be mad at me. But I didn't want.

904
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: To be the guy that got engaged and then broke

905
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: it off three months later type of thing.

906
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to be the guy that.

907
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: At least I could be proud of the fact that

908
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: I didn't propose, right, So I was, But I mean, at.

909
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Large, I thought I was being the good guy by

910
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: truly not by truly not.

911
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: Proposing, that was a good thing. Yeah, it was brutal,

912
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: but I remember I went on Oprah right after Estella

913
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: and I both did, and it was one of those

914
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: things I thought.

915
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: The crowd was gonna kill me.

916
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Oprah's like, I told him he shouldn't

917
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: propose unless you know, blah blah blah, and the crowds like, oh,

918
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 3: oh okay, and they like a plot.

919
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, I think I'm okay right.

920
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: Now talking about a huge name to drop. No, but

921
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: a huge friend that ended up being really important to

922
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: you was Oprah Winfrey. And again that's how big the

923
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: show was back then, is that Oprah would have us on.

924
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: And I never did Oprah, by the way, but she

925
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: had people from the show on. I never know and

926
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: met all her people and all that, but never was

927
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: a part of the show. But I remember just her

928
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: loving you and really kind of took that bullet for you.

929
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: That was huge because she did it wasn't true. Now

930
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: what she said on that show was not true.

931
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: She stepped in and was like, I mean, it was

932
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: interesting because we had had a conversation about it, and

933
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: she was like, just be true to yourself, you know,

934
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: blah blah. I mean yeah, I mean, effectively, she did

935
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: probably say, you know, don't propably, it's not right for

936
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: you or whatever. But it wasn't like I consulted her,

937
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: you know, before the trip to Harry Winston that day.

938
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: You know, it was like I I mean, but yeah,

939
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: she was an amazing and has for.

940
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: Her to do that in that moment, like she knew

941
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: she was big enough and bulletproof enough that she could

942
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: take that bullet for you. And if she said that,

943
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: then it would turn the tide for her fans, which

944
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: was America at the time everyone and so Oprah essentially

945
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: did made the world do a onet eighty for you

946
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: to a certain degree.

947
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: I think I think I think the things would have

948
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: been a lot different had she not embraced me the

949
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: way that she did.

950
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what if you'd done on that show and

951
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: Oprah had gone, you know, really gone after you, like

952
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: you know it said, you know, Bob, you should have

953
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: done this, Like, yeah, they would have destroyed you totally.

954
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: She was a king maker or a king destroyed.

955
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I think she probably still is.

956
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

957
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: But she was so kind to me, and you know,

958
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: it was one of those things that like we just

959
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: really connected and had a genuine friendship to the point

960
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: where you know, I hadn't. I got I started feeling

961
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 3: guilty about like reaching out to her, because like God,

962
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: I don't want her to feel like I'm like trying

963
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: to glom onto you know, anything that she does, And

964
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: what could I possibly bring to the table for Oprah,

965
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: you know. And so I remember I was just I

966
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: got in my own head about it, and so for

967
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: years I really didn't even reach out. And and a

968
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: few years ago we ran into each other in an event,

969
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: and I wasn't even gonna say anything. I was like,

970
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: she's busy, you know, and she's Oprah, you know, Forgot's.

971
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: And as she's walking by to go to her car,

972
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: she sees me out of the corner of her.

973
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 4: Eye and she's like, Bob. And it was so nice.

974
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 4: It was so cool because.

975
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 3: I I didn't want to assume that she would remember

976
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: me or you know, she know anything.

977
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: She was so sweet. It's Oprah, She's like the biggest

978
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: being alive, you know.

979
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: And and she came over and gave me a huge

980
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: hug and she's like, oh my god, it's always so

981
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: great to see you. And I remember I literally I

982
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: think I started to cry.

983
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: I don't even know what I did. I was just

984
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: like it was like a fanboy moment, you know.

985
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: It was just when it well, it validates and justifies

986
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: like the love and friendship that you think you have,

987
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: and when you get that back and it's reciprocated, you're like, oh,

988
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: it was real. That was this many years later because

989
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: you start to think in your head, okay, that was

990
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: just a crazy time. We you know, everybody was, you know,

991
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: benefiting from this. But when there's nothing on the table

992
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: and it means nothing to anybody, it's good to be like, okay, no,

993
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: we we really had that friendship, and to have it

994
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: with again the it's Oprah, she goes by one name,

995
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: there's Bono, there's Oprah Beyond. Yeah, that's it. No, no

996
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: go go she needs the lady, Yeah, you need the lady.

997
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: Got so she's still.

998
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: That is.

999
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: That was a bizarre friendship that again like in what

1000
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: world does this kid from Detroit, Michigan become dear friends

1001
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: of Oprah Winfrey? But there there was some dark stuff though,

1002
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: you know when you came off the show and what

1003
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: part of it came and it was interesting. Nobody will

1004
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: ever know about this. Is you did a pilot for

1005
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: a talk show? Yeah?

1006
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure did? I mean?

1007
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: They I stayed out in LA after we got done

1008
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: filming my season.

1009
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: I didn't go home.

1010
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: I stayed out there because they wanted to roll it

1011
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: right into a pilot, which I think became The Ellen Show.

1012
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 4: Actually from how I remember the timing.

1013
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but they had me do a pilot for

1014
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: a talk show and it was before Ellen, so you know,

1015
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: there was the same production company and a lot of

1016
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: the ideas.

1017
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 4: I remember seeing them kind.

1018
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: Of manifest funny, but it was it was a really

1019
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: cool experience. It was a really fun experience. But it

1020
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: was also one of those things that I was kind

1021
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: of like, man, I just don't know, I don't know

1022
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: if this is I think had it happened, I would

1023
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: have loved it because it was just, you know, such

1024
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: a fun idea. But it was also one of those

1025
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: things where I mean, that's why I started to kind

1026
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: of like I realized I was going to lose myself.

1027
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: I had to figure it out.

1028
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: I had to get control of where I was, my

1029
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: head was at, and everything else, because I was part

1030
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: of the machine all of a sudden, and it was

1031
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: machine was kind of going way faster than I was

1032
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: prepared for.

1033
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: Right, And you were also when you came on the show,

1034
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: you had a rock band YEP called fat Amy. Yeah,

1035
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: long before Pitch Perfect Everybody, but which is ironic, before

1036
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: Rebel Wilson made it popular. Yeah, you guys had a

1037
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: band called fat Amy and you were successful. You had

1038
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: a very had at least one album, Well, we had.

1039
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 3: We had three were we were always the band opening

1040
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: for the big band, right, So we toured UH on

1041
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: this thing called the Aware Tour.

1042
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 4: We toured with match Box twenty. We toured UH.

1043
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: The very Pipe was from our hometown. And that's how

1044
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: we actually got our deal. Was was them lobbying for

1045
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: us and hooting the blowfish. And I got to know

1046
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: Darious Rucker before he went solo and became such a

1047
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: country sensation. And it's still friends of this day, you know,

1048
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: like it's I loved, but it's so funny. People always go, oh,

1049
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: you know the bashing I thinks he can sing, and

1050
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: I was like, like, well, it's kind.

1051
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: Of my real job, like before I was a bachelor.

1052
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: It's it. You're I just I want to say, Bob's

1053
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: different than the guy who shows up on Night one

1054
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: with his guitar and says he can sing. You actually

1055
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: had this band and y'all were very successful. This is

1056
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: not a Tom Sandoval thing, you know where he's although

1057
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: Jimmer does look a lot like Jimmer does look like

1058
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: but this was a real thing. But it also became

1059
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: a huge point of contention between you and the Bachelor. Yeah,

1060
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: they wanted you. You were a part of this machine.

1061
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: They wanted you, and then you wanted part of your

1062
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 2: old life and that became an issue.

1063
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: Well, and I wasn't.

1064
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: I had nothing to do with it, if I'm I mean,

1065
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: I couldn't control what my record label did.

1066
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: And so you know, they because that was existing, that

1067
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: was pre the show.

1068
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: So they they saw this as a big opportunity to

1069
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: market this stuff. I wasn't super comfortable with some of

1070
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: what they were doing, to be honest. You know. It

1071
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: was you know, Trista's wedding, for example, and they're buying like,

1072
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: you know, a commercial spot, and I'm like, geez, that's

1073
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: just seems terrible to me.

1074
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: But it's part. But you were part of that machine too.

1075
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: Now you had two machines cranking up. I did going

1076
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: full Bob guinea and you're And the odd thing is

1077
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: Bob Guiney wasn't a part of it. You know.

1078
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 4: Now you feel like I had nothing to say about any.

1079
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: Who massive machines are rolling on. You're like, uh, you

1080
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: guys both have my name.

1081
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it was an interesting time, for sure.

1082
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 3: It was.

1083
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 4: It was kind of scary, to be honest. It was

1084
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: one of those things.

1085
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for it, and when it went to

1086
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 3: that next level and then you have like your record label,

1087
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 3: and then you're you know, you're on a network and

1088
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: one of the biggest networks world and they're kind of

1089
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 3: fighting over what each other is doing with my likeness.

1090
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: I was just I wasn't ready for it. And I

1091
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: probably could have handled a whole lot better than I did,

1092
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: but at the time, I was just I just sort

1093
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: of like I threw my hands in the air. I

1094
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: was basically just like, Okay, whatever's gonna happen, here is

1095
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: gonna happen.

1096
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: And it it.

1097
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: It did.

1098
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: It got ugly, it blew up, I mean because eventually

1099
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 2: those two things collided and you were stuck in the middle.

1100
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I sure was ended up getting a Marty

1101
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: said really, well, who is a pit bull?

1102
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: And it got litigious, It got litigious.

1103
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: But you know, it was one of those things too

1104
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: that that was when as another time when Oprah stopped

1105
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: in I'll never forget, I got served with papers and

1106
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: then the same by who by the production company around

1107
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: the Bachelor.

1108
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: So the Bachelor sued you, Bachelor sued me.

1109
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I won the right not to not to

1110
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: pay a bunch of money that I didn't have, you know, basically,

1111
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: that's what I won, the right to.

1112
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: Not do that. So you go from being the golden boy,

1113
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: the most beloved bachelor, the happy go lucky guy, to

1114
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: getting sued yea by the Bachelor. Yeah, so.

1115
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 4: You go.

1116
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: Your life's being torn and thrown upside down, but you're

1117
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: at your height. Yeah, so's it was this weird juxtaposition

1118
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: of you were crushing it bigger and better than you

1119
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: ever have and and things are seemingly going well, but

1120
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: you're now being sued and things are probably deteriorating with

1121
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: your your music world too.

1122
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, I had to walk away from all of.

1123
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: It, actually, and so you ended up losing all of

1124
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: it everything. Yeah, so the music career and the Bachelor,

1125
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: obviously after the lawsuit, things don't tend to go well.

1126
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: It was all gone. Yeah, and then but it.

1127
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: Was the only way I could the only way I

1128
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: could make it go away was just to walk away.

1129
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: So it was one of those things where you know,

1130
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: I realized I was just gonna and I and I

1131
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: think that the optics weren't good, you know, I looked.

1132
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: I looked like the guy who you know, oh he

1133
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: hainded out flowers, now anythings he can sing.

1134
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: I really did, because you realize that your career wasn't

1135
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: what you thought.

1136
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: It was, you know.

1137
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: I mean, even though I was the opening band for

1138
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: all these huge acts, no one really knew that, you know, not.

1139
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 4: The way they would see the show every week.

1140
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: So it became a thing where I was kind of like,

1141
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to be the

1142
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: guy that what this is looking like?

1143
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: It felt gross, It felt felt gross.

1144
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: And so it was more or less like I was

1145
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: just like, I'm just gonna walk away. I'm gonna take

1146
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: some time, go back to my day job, you know.

1147
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: And and I was. I was very big on that.

1148
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean for the longest time after The Bachelor. I remember,

1149
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, they'd call me like, you know, do you

1150
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: have any new advice for the Bachelor. I'm like, yeah,

1151
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: don't quit your day job. And you're not Ben Affleck, right,

1152
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: so I don't think you're gonna you know, you should

1153
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: be into movies, just be a normal guy.

1154
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 4: Had to be a hard time so fun.

1155
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: It was tough, like, yeah, what did you have a

1156
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: low point did you have.

1157
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: I'm sure, you know.

1158
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: I when I look back on things, I always try

1159
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: to I think I just make them rosier so, you know, survive.

1160
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: But like most guys, we just swallow those.

1161
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 4: Swallow them up and move on. Yeah.

1162
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: I'm sure there were some some tough times in there,

1163
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: but you know, my family, I've always been super close

1164
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: to my mom and dad.

1165
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: And my sister, and having that support system.

1166
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 4: Oh that was it, you know. I went back to

1167
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: I and faithfully.

1168
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the nicest compliments I get all

1169
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: the time is like, oh, you're the exact same guy

1170
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: you were before you were on the show. And that

1171
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: means a lot to me because I take pride in that,

1172
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: you know, I think I was. I was a person

1173
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: who just had a really lucky break and really enjoyed it.

1174
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: My brother in law used to always say, you know,

1175
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: if you tried to make this happen, if you out

1176
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: a form to be on The Bachelor, which I never did,

1177
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: if you did a video submission, which I never did.

1178
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: So you know, when someone says, how do you end

1179
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: up on in reality, I'm like, I.

1180
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 2: Don't know, do you I have no clue.

1181
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: I just you know, my butla you saway say it best.

1182
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: He'd be like, you're the guy that just walks up,

1183
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 3: you step in a pile of dogs, you peel a

1184
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: hundred dollar bill off your shoe.

1185
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 4: He's like, that's just who you are.

1186
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 3: And I was like, thanks, buddy, I think that's a compliment.

1187
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 3: But you know, I think I I just went back

1188
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: to that. I was kind of like, well, this was

1189
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: a really cool experience, and you know, I think I'm

1190
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: not gonna I'm probably gonna get a lot more praise

1191
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: than I deserve, and I'm got a lot more criticism

1192
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 3: than I deserve.

1193
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 4: Probably haven't earned any of that.

1194
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: But I'm just gonna roll with it, you know, and

1195
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: and just get back to my life and focus.

1196
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: And you know, when I look at it now, you know,

1197
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 4: all these years later, years later, and.

1198
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: I'm happily married and I have a four year old

1199
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 3: and a two year old, it's like, I firmly believe

1200
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: that your life.

1201
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 4: Goes where it goes for a reason.

1202
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I probably wouldn't be here with you, feeling

1203
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: the way I feel about my family and being so

1204
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: lucky if I hadn't done the show.

1205
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 2: At some point, I can attest to two things. Number One,

1206
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: you are exactly who you were when I met you

1207
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. You have not changed one iota the same,

1208
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 2: just stand up, good human being and you know, getting

1209
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 2: put in the spin cycle of life that you did,

1210
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: you came out the same. And that's really a testament

1211
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 2: to you, your family, your faith, and who you are

1212
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: and to see where you are in life right now,

1213
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: Like it just makes my heart explode like it does

1214
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: when I see how in love you are, how in

1215
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: love you are with your kids, what a dad you are,

1216
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: how you know you do some stuff where it's in

1217
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: the limelight a little bit, but you know, I see

1218
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: all these other videos and pictures where you're just messing

1219
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: around with the kids and just live in your life,

1220
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's the good stuff. Yeah, I mean

1221
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: that's the good stuff.

1222
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 3: I took. It took me a long time to get there, right, Yeah,

1223
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: first kid at forty eight. I don't necessarily advise that

1224
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 3: to most people.

1225
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll admit I was walking into my room the

1226
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: other night and I thought, not gonna lie kind of glad.

1227
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: I don't have it a four and a two year

1228
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: old run Now It's like I'm like, I'm going this week,

1229
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm going home and I'm driving up to TCU to

1230
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: pick up both my kids at college and drive them

1231
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: home for the summer. And they have their summer jobs.

1232
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: And I'm like, and Bob's going home and he's getting

1233
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: ready to put his first in kindergarten.

1234
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be changing some diapers this weekend.

1235
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Yeah, good stuff. It's good. That is the

1236
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: messy good stuff. And it gets better and every stage

1237
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 2: is good. And you know, I was trying to think.

1238
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: I was like, was it better to do it as

1239
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: a young dad? Maybe I had more the ability to

1240
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: not sleep and you know, maybe had a little more patience,

1241
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: or would it be better to go through it at

1242
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: fifty one fifty two, which we are, and you have

1243
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: such perspective in life. You got the ability of life

1244
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: experience that I didn't have as a dad. You know

1245
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: what's important. You know, you can kind of look at

1246
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: things and go, you know, what's not a big deal? This,

1247
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: this is not a big deal. Yeah, it's like so,

1248
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: you know, I think I fought more battles as a

1249
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: thirty to thirty five year old dad as opposed to

1250
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: fifty where I'd be like, you know, it's not important,

1251
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: little league, Like, let him go have fun. You know

1252
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: he's not going to play in the game. You're fine,

1253
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: it's good, Yeah, build build the sand castle out in

1254
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: the outfield. It's totally fine. You know, you don't need

1255
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: a hitching, a hitting coach, or a pitching coach at

1256
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: age four. Now that those are the things I think

1257
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: you learned. Probably you're probably a little more chill than

1258
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: I was.

1259
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just so lucky to have these boys in

1260
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: my life.

1261
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny. I mean, we've talked about the

1262
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 4: other night.

1263
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: I don't know how. I don't even know what love

1264
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: was until I had these boys. And I'm so thankful that,

1265
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: you know, I was at the right place when I

1266
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 3: met Canyon that I realized, you know, god, I'm gonna

1267
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: try this one more time. I haven't been super great

1268
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: at you know, marriage here, and it was so awesome

1269
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: that she kind of came into it.

1270
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: She's like, hey, third times a charm, let's go.

1271
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, hit it off. And

1272
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: because I will say, you have to be a special

1273
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: someone to be married to Bob Guineas, Oh my.

1274
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: Gosh, I wouldn't even wish it on my worst I mean,

1275
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: you know, the thing about her that's so great is

1276
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: you know, she rolls with it.

1277
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 4: She nothing, you know, nothing surprises her offends her.

1278
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: When we're out in public, you know, she'll be the

1279
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,479
Speaker 3: first one to be like, here, hear me your phone,

1280
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: let me get this for you, you know, and she'll take

1281
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: a picture.

1282
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, we want you in it too.

1283
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: She's like, no, you don't, okay, Yard, you know, and

1284
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: she just says, no ego in it, which I think

1285
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: is so cool.

1286
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: And and then when it comes to our boys and me,

1287
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 4: she's just the most amazing mom. It's like she dedicates

1288
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 4: her whole life to these kids.

1289
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 3: And and I'm just I'm envious. I'm awestruck by it,

1290
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: you know, I really am. I look at it, I'm like, God,

1291
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: how does she think to do that stuff? Like I

1292
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: would never think to turn this stupid, you know, piece

1293
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: of paper into some great game that she just did.

1294
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: I would.

1295
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: That's why it helps to have too, right, because you

1296
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: deliver something that she can't. And that's that's a wonderful thing.

1297
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: And the best part is, I know you had a

1298
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: great time here at the Kentucky Derby. I'm glad we

1299
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: sat down and talked. You are one of my favorite

1300
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: human beings in this world. I love you dearly, and

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Speaker 2: you know you would for twenty years. Twenty years we've

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Speaker 2: been friends, and I can't.

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Speaker 4: Believe I'm saying time to be buddies.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm saying this, but happy fifty second birthday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Who would have thought we would have made

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Speaker 2: it to fifty one and man two.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe we're still here.

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Speaker 2: You and I definitely beat the odds.

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Speaker 4: We sure did. I love you, buddy. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: having me on. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Bob' gonna get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most

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Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a

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Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you next time.