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Speaker 1: The Giants coming off a bye week, so not your

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Speaker 1: normal game reaction analysis Monday's show here on Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live, but we figured this would be a good

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Speaker 1: time to kind of take a little step back, look

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Speaker 1: at what's happened the first ten games of the year,

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Speaker 1: and then look ahead a little bit um as what

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Speaker 1: the Giants have in their final six games and what

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Speaker 1: they need to improve on, do differently and do better.

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Speaker 1: Mobile app everyday live at one. Okay, so, Lance, that's

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Speaker 1: glad we got through that, but yes we did. What

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Speaker 1: a relief Go ahead, I'm sorry al right, um, if

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Speaker 1: you go to Giants dot com, folks, I did a

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Speaker 1: fairly detailed two part film study of the Giants in

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Speaker 1: the first ten games of the year. I kind of

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Speaker 1: took the model of what I do each week for

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Speaker 1: the Giants opponents, and I said, you know what, it's

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Speaker 1: the bye week. This is supposed to be the big

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Speaker 1: self scout week, right, so I might as well try

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Speaker 1: to take a look inside a little bit at what

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Speaker 1: the Giants are doing on their own terms over the

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Speaker 1: first couple um, first ten games of the year. So, Lance,

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Speaker 1: what I kind of came up with looking at this,

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Speaker 1: do you want me to start offensive defense when we

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Speaker 1: to go first? Let's start offense let's start offense. So

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Speaker 1: the offense has been pretty productive. Golden Tate has had

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Speaker 1: an really great first six games. If you extrapolate those

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Speaker 1: six games over a sixteen game season, he's like eighty

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Speaker 1: five catches almost yards. He's had a great six games

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Speaker 1: with the Giants. Darius Slayton has come on pretty strong.

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Speaker 1: The offensive line played better at the start of the year.

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Speaker 1: The last few games they've had trouble with a lot

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Speaker 1: of blitzes and movement upfront, stunts, twist the lay blitzes,

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Speaker 1: you know, those sorts of things. Daniel Jones, for the

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Speaker 1: most part, he's shown he is good enough arm, he's

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Speaker 1: accurate enough. Uh, there are things that he could do

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Speaker 1: but some of those sacks are because he holds the

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Speaker 1: One thing that he struggled at, and I will bring

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Speaker 1: think those will make his overall numbers better. But I

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Speaker 1: get the ball out. But protecting the football obviously is

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Speaker 1: contributes to ball security issues. To your point, John, correct,

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Speaker 1: a number of positive flashes, remember you're talking about over

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Speaker 1: trending in the right direction. Job, it's not a matter

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones can't commit a turnover in the final

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Speaker 1: six games. Okay, let's not be ridiculous, but what does

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Speaker 1: the turnover look like? Exactly what are the circumstances? Was

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's life in the National Football League or

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Speaker 1: for example. But one of the turnovers remember John charged

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to blame Daniel Jones under those circumstances.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of those things, Okay, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: turnover has its own story. And that's a phrase, John,

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Speaker 1: There was at least seven or eight interceptions John, that

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Speaker 1: So these are a couple of interesting things, uh that

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Speaker 1: I that I came up with. Jones on averages in

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks with a hundred and more attempts. So I

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Speaker 1: those numbers to me, don't just say a lot about

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Speaker 1: Football Fall focus tracks turnover worthy plays. Right, So it's

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Speaker 1: not just places you guy should commit to turnover plays

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Speaker 1: Jones's passing attempts this year have been into windows, which

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Speaker 1: pro football focus and considers tight windows small areas to

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Speaker 1: And I think that shows much like maybe him holding

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Speaker 1: why they actually got to thirty. But they've got twenty

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Speaker 1: four this year in the first ten games, so they've

432
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Speaker 1: doubled their total from last year after ten games. So

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Speaker 1: that shows somewhat of a sign of progress. If you

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Speaker 1: want to take the comparison between two thousand and eighteen

435
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Speaker 1: and two thousand nineteen. Let's see also whether or not

436
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Speaker 1: that's going to continue to improve or is it going

437
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Speaker 1: to tail off. That's something I think that's interesting to monitor.

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Speaker 1: As we've talked about, they've only played man to man

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Speaker 1: defense on their snaps, which is not a surprise. They've

440
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Speaker 1: played more zone. They've been better when they've played zone

441
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Speaker 1: over the course of the year. So they did play

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Speaker 1: man and blitz a lot more against the Jets than

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Speaker 1: they had uh previously. In terms of overall numbers and things,

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Speaker 1: I've seen that those are my biggest takeaways on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Anything else you want to

446
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Speaker 1: add their lance, well, a product of giving up the

447
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Speaker 1: big pass plays is the fact that a number of

448
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Speaker 1: opposing wide receivers have gone over the century mark. Now

449
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Speaker 1: maybe that's more of a fantasy noteworthy statistic than a

450
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Speaker 1: realistic statistic, but you're talking about one, two, three, four.

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Speaker 1: Six different opposing players have had over a hundred receiving

452
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Speaker 1: yards against the Giants this season, and five different opposing

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Speaker 1: running backs have gone over the century mark on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Now you know those numbers are up there for ten games.

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Speaker 1: That means half of the opposing running backs have run

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Speaker 1: for over a hundred yards and more than half of

457
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Speaker 1: the opposing wide receivers have over a hundred yards, you

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Speaker 1: know when you look at these numbers, So you know

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Speaker 1: that's something that has to I think change in the

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Speaker 1: second half of the season. And if they want to

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Speaker 1: be competitive and they want to find a way to

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Speaker 1: close out games, that's got to change. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: I stand correct that I just was actually looking at

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Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen numbers, so let me be accurate.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the wide receivers. That was still six,

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Speaker 1: so that's accurate. Running backs, it was just three, not five.

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Speaker 1: Five was the total for last year. They're just a

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Speaker 1: three this year and that was Dalvin Cook, Chase Edmonds,

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Speaker 1: and Ezekiel Elliott will take some calls absolutely two oh one,

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Speaker 1: four or five and three hashtag Giants Chat. Mike and

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Speaker 1: Jersey will lead us off to begin the show. Mike,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? I missed the first couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes of the show. Did you guys mention injuries or anything? No,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy asked about that. Mike. We should give

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Speaker 1: you some injury updates. So Mike Grammer's practice today, that

476
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Speaker 1: was good. Evan Ingram got the boot off. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if he can play this week. He's still not putting

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Speaker 1: full Based on what he said in his media vail,

479
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Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like he's put full weight on it

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Speaker 1: and run yet. He's kind of doing stuff in the

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Speaker 1: pool and using some other devices to run without full

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Speaker 1: weight on the foot. Uh Nate Solder is still on

483
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Speaker 1: concussion protocol. He's not here because of family reasons. He

484
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Speaker 1: should be back later in the week. Uh Sterling Shepherd practiced.

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Speaker 1: He's still technically in concussion protocol. They'll see if they

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Speaker 1: can get him ready to go this week. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a realistic chance. And but he was at practice,

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Speaker 1: but he is still in concussion protocol. You'll probably hear

489
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Speaker 1: about those guys starting to get clear to that protocol

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday or Thursday of this week, depending on how

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Speaker 1: obviously they react to practice. Just to add one other

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Speaker 1: note related to even Ingram, he mentioned it's a two

493
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Speaker 1: to four week injury, and today would have been two

494
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Speaker 1: weeks from the initial injury if you do that math

495
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Speaker 1: seemed to be optimistic that as the week progresses, he's

496
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Speaker 1: gonna put the foot through a little bit more testing

497
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Speaker 1: and making strides. As far as his status for this

498
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Speaker 1: week's game, I think it's up in the air, but

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Speaker 1: I think all signs are trending in the right direction

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Speaker 1: for him that he's gonna be back on the field

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Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. Alkay, awesome. Um, I'm likely going

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Speaker 1: for the Redskins game at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: My friend work for the Redskins, and I'm likely gonna

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Speaker 1: get pregames that my passes. It would cool we meet

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Speaker 1: up somewhere. What did you guys hang out before the

506
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Speaker 1: before the game? But it just didn't mean you realize

507
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Speaker 1: if it's a possibility. Yeah, Detino will probably be down

508
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Speaker 1: there on the field at some point. I have to

509
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Speaker 1: be up in the radio booth making sure the radio

510
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Speaker 1: pregame show goes well. Lance has been Lance will be

511
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Speaker 1: partying hard at a barn Hoboken eighty River. So if

512
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Speaker 1: you he's talking about the Redskins, that's right, they came.

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Speaker 1: They came here already. I'm sorry, I'm thinking of home game, yes,

514
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Speaker 1: continu Yeah, but road game. Paul the teen will probably

515
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Speaker 1: be down there, and if it's way early, there's a chance,

516
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Speaker 1: but usually, especially that late in the year, I'll probably

517
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Speaker 1: be upstairs making sure everything is is going all right.

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Speaker 1: In the Booth. So, Mike, I don't think I can

519
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Speaker 1: make that happen, but Pauly Dots could be down there

520
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Speaker 1: if um, if you want to hit him up on Twitter. Yeah,

521
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: he's a man of the people, so that would be

522
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Speaker 1: your best direction to go. Mike. The rest of us

523
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: are very antisocial when it comes to road games, or

524
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Speaker 1: they're just working extremely hard. That's true. That's another way

525
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Speaker 1: to spin it. Not him, but me. Alright, Thank guys,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Let's go to Jonathan New York.

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Speaker 1: He's up next. Say john Yes, first time a long time.

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Speaker 1: How are you hey? Thanks for calling, and Johnny, what's up.

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Speaker 1: I'm calling just to voice my support for the general manager,

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Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman. Uh. You know, I know, when he'slected Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people said that he would be judged

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Speaker 1: by Jones performance. And you know, you go online now

533
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Speaker 1: and you see people already calling for for Dave Gentleman

534
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Speaker 1: to be fired. Uh you know, I know they're two

535
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Speaker 1: in eight, but I feel like he does have a

536
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Speaker 1: high hit rate in terms of the draft picks, including

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Speaker 1: you know something later round picks. No, I agree. I

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Speaker 1: think if you look at his job in the draft

539
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Speaker 1: so far, there's been a lot more hits than mrs,

540
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Speaker 1: and especially guys in the middle of the late rounds,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, has not been a strength of

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Speaker 1: this franchise for a very long time. He's gotten some

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Speaker 1: guys that that have contributed. I I agree with you, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the one thing I would say

545
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Speaker 1: is maybe you know his strength, you know, his strength

546
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Speaker 1: is the draft, which I think it is, and finding

547
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Speaker 1: talent in the draft. Uh, you know, I'd like to

548
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Speaker 1: see him have uh, you know, as many picks as possible,

549
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Speaker 1: so why else it's gonna be easy to sell season.

550
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Speaker 1: But you know, trading, trading veterans, you know, for for

551
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Speaker 1: draft picks. I think, you know, it might be a

552
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Speaker 1: good thing. Well that's what they did last year to

553
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Speaker 1: get a lot of picks for this as year's draft.

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Speaker 1: The exact philosophy that you laid out, I think there's

555
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Speaker 1: many different ways to construct the team. I also don't

556
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Speaker 1: think it's bad to turn a draft pick into a

557
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Speaker 1: young player who still has years left on his rookie

558
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Speaker 1: contract or you are in position to sign for an extension,

559
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Speaker 1: because at least you're sort of investing in somewhat of

560
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Speaker 1: a proven commodity, which to a certain degree relates to

561
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Speaker 1: Leonard Williams. You see what the Cowboys did with a

562
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Speaker 1: Marii Cooper. You know, that seems to be a trend

563
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Speaker 1: across the league where hey, if a team doesn't want

564
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Speaker 1: to re up with the guy they drafted, they put

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Speaker 1: them out on the trade market and they see whether

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Speaker 1: or not they can get a pick, and then the

567
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Speaker 1: receiving team gets as still a young player who's got

568
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Speaker 1: plenty of experience under their belt and hopefully warrants a

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Speaker 1: second contracts And I think that's what they've been doing

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Speaker 1: and has proven himself on the NFL level, which when

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Speaker 1: you're drafting a guy, you can scout all you want.

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Speaker 1: In the end, there's still a lot of uncertainty there.

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Speaker 1: There's always that rolling the dice mentality when you go

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Speaker 1: via the draft. And just one of the things, just

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Speaker 1: to add to what you had mentioned, Jonathan, in terms

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones, you know, regardless of how they see

577
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Speaker 1: it plays out, there's no way you could walk away

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Speaker 1: with any closure on Daniel Jones because it's still a

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Speaker 1: very small sample size. It would be similar to judging

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Speaker 1: Ernie a Corsi on Eli Manning's production as a rookie

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Speaker 1: in two thousand four when he took over Kurt Warner.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at how Eli Manning performed in

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Speaker 1: those games, I don't think many people walked away and saying, well,

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Speaker 1: he's absolutely gonna go on to become that. So if

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Speaker 1: anybody wants to rush to judgments about Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 1: give a grade right now, I think they're just having

587
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Speaker 1: the itchy finger. You gotta wait to see what becomes

588
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Speaker 1: of his career. Here down here, John Val just add

589
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Speaker 1: to a lance at and then you can finish up

590
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: your call. A lot of times progress for young players

591
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: are not on a straight line, and guys will sometimes

592
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Speaker 1: start really high, drop down, then slowly get better. Some

593
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: guys will start really poor, get really good, and then

594
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Speaker 1: maybe not look so good. I mean, just look at

595
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Speaker 1: Jarek Gov. Jaredov looked like you couldn't play football his

596
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: rookie year. He gets a new coach, he looks fantastic.

597
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Speaker 1: Two years later, the offense line gets poor. Now Jack

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Speaker 1: Gov looks bad again, and now he doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: a bay that is a rookie. But he's still not

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Speaker 1: looking great, you know, mitchar Chubitski. People thought at points

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Speaker 1: last year that he was turned the corner, he was

602
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Speaker 1: gonna be great. Now all of a sudden, looks like

603
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Speaker 1: he's not even NFL quarterback this year. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: the progress of rookie quarterbacks, as Land said, can be

605
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Speaker 1: you know, jagged, weird. You know, heart attack line graphs

606
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Speaker 1: where the things going all over the place. So like

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, I think the early returns are

608
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Speaker 1: certainly a lot more positive than negative despite the turnover issues.

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Speaker 1: And I think you feel real good about him moving forward.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I agree, I think if your long

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Speaker 1: term going good to judge, you know, gettleman, he's linked

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Absolutely, we still don't know what that

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Speaker 1: quarterback is, even though the early returns are very positive,

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Speaker 1: right Yeah. And I think that you guys said got

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Speaker 1: the bed and late round texas true. I mean you

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Speaker 1: look get sits round alone, you know, getting a guy

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Speaker 1: like Connolly and a guy like Lton. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: that that's a great shift round. You know, he deerves

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Speaker 1: credit for that. So um, you know, if he could

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Speaker 1: have three or four the round picks in the next year,

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Speaker 1: I personally a happy camper. Well, it's all about what

622
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Speaker 1: you do with the draft picks, Jonathan, and appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in. I think

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Speaker 1: what's encouraging to the last caller's point is you're getting

625
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Speaker 1: early returns from some of these late round picks, and

626
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Speaker 1: normally that's not a trend that we see happen across

627
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Speaker 1: the board even throughout the league. John and the fact

628
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Speaker 1: that slat In it Connolly have received opportunities as rookies. Unfortunately,

629
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Speaker 1: Connolly's out for the season because of an injury, but

630
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Speaker 1: showed a lot of positive flashes before he was hurt,

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Speaker 1: and slat In you know, you didn't know what was

632
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Speaker 1: gonna happen with the hamstring injury. When he finally got

633
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Speaker 1: back on the field, showed some flashes and you know,

634
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Speaker 1: now little by little you you're seeing a little bit

635
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Speaker 1: more consistency out of him. You know, that's what you

636
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Speaker 1: want out of young players, That's what you want out

637
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Speaker 1: of your depth chart. How many times have we talked

638
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Speaker 1: about when you look at some other teams around the league,

639
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Speaker 1: they lose starters, Well, why do they find a way

640
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Speaker 1: to still be in playoff contention? Why do they find

641
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Speaker 1: a way to make lengthy postseason runs. The Eagles come

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Speaker 1: to mind a few years ago when they had their

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Speaker 1: super Bow run, and if you go back, they had

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Speaker 1: injuries across the board. Well the depth chart produced, and

645
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Speaker 1: that's something that the Giants have struggled with because of

646
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: rough draft classes, because of injuries that have hit them

647
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Speaker 1: across the board, and not having enough substance behind the starters.

648
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: What's encouraging is a fifth round pick emerging from being

649
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: sort of an unknown commodity to now taking advantage of

650
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Speaker 1: his reps, stepping into a starting role and producing immediately

651
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Speaker 1: that you hope is only going to improve moving forward.

652
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Speaker 1: But similar to how we're talking about Daniel Jones, the

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Speaker 1: sample size is still small and you can't judge a

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00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: guy based on a good stretch of six to seven games.

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Speaker 1: It's more of, okay, let this be the groundwork for

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Speaker 1: what's gonna move forward in the upcoming season. And I

657
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: know he's only played in two games so far as

658
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: a corner, but even the fact that Corey Ballantine has

659
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Speaker 1: been good enough to get on the field as a

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00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: sixth round pick out of division to Washburn is a

661
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Speaker 1: good sign. I mean, I'm gonna list some six round

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00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: picks guys DeAndre Right, Adrian Tracy, Matt McCants, Bennett Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Davis, Adam, Businessvoti. I mean, the only two six

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Speaker 1: round picks that you can put in that actually contributed

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Speaker 1: with Drell Adams, who had a couple of coffee in

666
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Speaker 1: the NFL. He was all right and the end the

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Speaker 1: guy I'll throw out there is um going all the

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Speaker 1: way back to two thousand eleven, Jiquan Williams, who was

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Speaker 1: a starter for a couple of years here dealt with injuries. Yeah,

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00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: so even once you're getting out of Valentine, is a

671
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Speaker 1: good sign that maybe he can develop into something moving forward. Now,

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Speaker 1: you don't know, we'll see, but it is certainly a

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Speaker 1: good sign. The one thing we haven't seen, you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen great progress out of some of the undrafted free

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00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: agents last couple of years. You know, some of those

676
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: guys have flamed out a little bit. Other guys, you know,

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00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: just so tell he's still on the roster um. There

678
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: are some guys that still have a chance to become something,

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Speaker 1: but they have been quiet in terms of you know,

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00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: and some of that too is is how you develop

681
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: those guys. So that's something to keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: moving forward. Let's go to Lennon, Columbia, Maryland. He's up

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Speaker 1: next day. Lin, Hey, guys, how you doing doing great?

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Speaker 1: How was your how is? How's how's your weekend without

685
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Giants football? And did you watch? You know? I missed it?

686
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Speaker 1: I miss I missed seeing the Giants. I mean, I

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00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: gotta admit it. Uh, And I did watch a lot

688
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: of football, and um, what I came away with and

689
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: this is this is it's a good question, John. This

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Speaker 1: is not what I wanted to talk about. But the

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Speaker 1: one feeling I came away with was we're a long

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Speaker 1: way away from competing with some of those teams. I

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00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: mean we we saw some I mean the speed, the

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00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: playmaking pretty terrific. We got to get there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say, but I did

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Speaker 1: miss Giants football this weekend. What's your main point you

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Speaker 1: want to make today? One? Okay? Um, you're fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I miss what you said, John, No, I

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Speaker 1: said you're fine. Go ahead, okay, okay. Um. Do we

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Speaker 1: know about Trabisky? Is he for someday? Yeah? Yeah, he's

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00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: not officially ruled out. He was just pulled from the

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Speaker 1: game yesterday. Because of a hip injury. So I think

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Speaker 1: you know, if you connect the dots and you figure

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Speaker 1: if he wasn't healthy enough to finish the game, that

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00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: it could very well appear on the injury report, and

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: Chase Daniels probably gonna get some first team repsters. And

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: then the funny thing is that necessarily a good thing

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Speaker 1: the way Trobis has played this year. I'm not, Actually

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Speaker 1: I was. I don't. I never want to talk about

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Speaker 1: a person being injured as a good thing, and I

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Speaker 1: hope it's not too serious, and maybe I even hope

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Speaker 1: that he plays on Sunday. Where I was going with

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Speaker 1: my question was is that I think we gotta If

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Speaker 1: Chase Daniels placed quarterback, we've got a really good chance

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Speaker 1: and winning that game. I'm not. You probably know this

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Speaker 1: from previous years. Um, Chase Daniels is a great American story.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're in two million dollars a year,

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Speaker 1: you don't get to do very much. He's just he's

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Speaker 1: just good enough. He's just good enough to make two

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Um, it's good again. I hope

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: for whisky is okay. I don't want to see anybody

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Speaker 1: get hurt especially that way. You know, hips that's that's bad.

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Speaker 1: And uh, but if it's Chase Daniels, I like our chances.

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Speaker 1: I like our chances. You know, we're in the off season.

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Speaker 1: We were thrown around all those numbers at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Those were some great numbers you guys were really tossing

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00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: around there. And the one that kind of stuck with

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Speaker 1: me was where you were talking about number of sacks

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Speaker 1: that we had twenty four. Um, Remember we were talking

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Speaker 1: about how you get the forty you know, with six

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Speaker 1: games left, you know, who knows we might get close

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Speaker 1: to forty. Now. I don't know how it's what it

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Speaker 1: what it means in terms of wins, but you know

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start we're gonna start getting closer the number.

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Speaker 1: And now the numbers are going to come from people

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Speaker 1: who we didn't think it was going to come from. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, that's okay. If we can get the

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Speaker 1: forty sacks, that's that's probably a good But when you

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Speaker 1: look at the defense, I wanted to I wanted to

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Speaker 1: start with the defensive numbers. Um, you can't. You can't

741
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Speaker 1: scheme your way out of those numbers. I mean, those

742
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: are just bad numbers. I mean we gotta I mean,

743
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Speaker 1: we gotta get some players who can make those numbers better.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how else to put it when you

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Speaker 1: think about it. Though I'm not a big Betcher fan.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that all I was gonna say. Just in

747
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: terms of the talent, a lot of the moves gentlemen

748
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Speaker 1: is made in terms of for aging dollars in terms

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Speaker 1: of drafting has been focused in a lot of ways

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Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball. So I think

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00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: the next step now is to try to add with

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00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: those resources more talent to the other side. Now, that

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00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: would be that would be a strategy. Um, it's just

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00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: right now, it's looking Um. You know, I don't know

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00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: what to say. You just you just try to hang on, um,

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Speaker 1: Lance It's it's taken me a couple of years, but

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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm finally buying into your idea. Um. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's what you do with the thirty two minutes when

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Speaker 1: you have the ball. It's not that you have the

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Speaker 1: ball thirty two minutes. It's finally beginning to sink into me,

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Speaker 1: even though we're not getting anyway near thirty two minutes.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's a good point. Um. One of the

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Speaker 1: things I look at. Lanton, I'd like you, I'd like

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Speaker 1: your comment on this. My general rule of thumb has

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00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: always been, you've got to score um more than half

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Speaker 1: the time, more than on more than half of your possessions.

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Speaker 1: So if you've got ten possessions, you've got to score

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Speaker 1: six times. If you got to eleven possessions, you score

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Speaker 1: six times. It just seems to me that you've got

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Speaker 1: to get past that. I know, you get into field goals.

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing you guys always tell me when

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00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: I say that, But I like to see a score

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Speaker 1: on possessions. It just seems like that's something that I

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00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: always look at. And I don't know if I don't

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00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: know if there's any kind of statistic that says if

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Speaker 1: you score on more than half of your possessions, do

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Speaker 1: you win the game? Or what presentage do you win?

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00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: And so forth, But that that's kind of my rule

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Speaker 1: of thumb. What do you what do you just? What

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Speaker 1: do you think about that? Look, Len Lennon, You're right.

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Speaker 1: When you look at a box score and and a

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Speaker 1: game book after a game, the first one of the

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Speaker 1: first pages I go to is the possession chart, which

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00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: lists each one of the drives that the team has,

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Speaker 1: and it breaks down the number of plays, number of yards,

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Speaker 1: and the result whether it's a touchdown, field goal, punt, turnover,

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Speaker 1: however the drive ends. And yeah, you have to look

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Speaker 1: just in terms of all sports, whether it's baseball you

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Speaker 1: have twenty seven outs, basketball, you have forty eight minutes,

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00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: You have x number of possessions in that forty eight minutes.

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Speaker 1: The totals aren't necessarily as important as like, as you

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Speaker 1: put it, having a good rate in terms of maximizing

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00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: every time you have possession. There's nothing more valuable in

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00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: a sport than possession of the ball, and you have

795
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: to maximize, like to your point, every time you have possession,

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00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: which is why red zone percentage are so important. Third

797
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: down is so important, because those are the things that

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Speaker 1: turn into either maintaining possession in terms of third downs

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Speaker 1: or putting points on the board in terms of red

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00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: zone ability. So that's why those individual numbers are so

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00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: important every week well, and it's that much more important

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00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: in terms of maximizing possessions when also you don't have

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00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: a very good defense, because that means that every possession

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00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: you have lend you better be walking away with a touchdown.

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00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: You better be walking with some positive points because you

806
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: know that your defense is not going to make consistent stops.

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Speaker 1: And let's take this point further, just the terms of

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00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: average points per game. Okay, the Giants right now are

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00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: hovering around twenty a game, which puts them twenty second

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Speaker 1: to the NFL. If you go through the top ten

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL and scoring right now, it's no

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00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: coincidence that the only team that is going to have

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Speaker 1: a tough time making the playoffs right now is the

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Speaker 1: tam Bay Buccaneers. That means that nine of the ten

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Speaker 1: teams in scoring points per game or all playoff contenders

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00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: either for their division of the wild card. And it's

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00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: no surprise that the Giants you have to scroll down

818
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: to twenty two and the teams around them are also

819
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: having a hard time being relevant within the playoff conversation.

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00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: So I mean that's just a synonymous is turnover differential scoring?

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Speaker 1: You you started the show or early early in the show,

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Speaker 1: you started to talk about the effects of turnovers and

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00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: that then that gets into it if you get a

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Speaker 1: possession and you have a turnovers scoring on that possession,

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00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: but also the other team may be scoring you know,

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Speaker 1: off the off the turnover, so um okay Bears on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, six games to goo uh,

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Speaker 1: let's let's you know, win some games, man, let's win

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Speaker 1: some games. Great. You gotta hope you enjoyed your bye week.

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Speaker 1: Um to one three And you're right that I had

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Speaker 1: never looked at the points for possession lance. But you're

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00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: right on the money. Every one of the top ten

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00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: teams is likely going to be a playoff team. You know,

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Speaker 1: one team might be on the virgin or out depending

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Speaker 1: on how the NFC plays out. The Seahawks, Vikings, and Packers,

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Speaker 1: for example, all three of those season might not make

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00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: it just because they're all kind of in there, a

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00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: bunch together exactly. But everyone else, you know, I'll list

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Speaker 1: to teams for you, folks, Ravens first, nine or second, Patriots, third, Cowboys, fourth, Cheaps, fifth,

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Speaker 1: Bucks or six, Seahawks, seven, Vikings, eight, Packers, nine, Texans ten,

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00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: nine and the ten playoff contenders there you go. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not And the Evils of fourteen, and the

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00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Saints are thirteen, and the Rams are twelve. Three other

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Speaker 1: teams that at least I'll have a chance maybe not

845
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: the ram so much anymore, but they at least are

846
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: in the hunt for a playoff spot. So you're looking

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00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: at it, of the top fourteen teams, there are only

848
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: probably two or three teams that are virtually eliminated from

849
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: playoff contention right now. That's amazing. I have not looked

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00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: at that yet. Yeah. Well, I mean you figure, listen

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00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: to the teams that are putting points on the board consistently.

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Speaker 1: You're you're giving yourself a chance to be competitive and

853
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: win games. And if you have an anemic offense, and

854
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, while you're on that chart, you look at

855
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: where the Chicago Bears are now. The Bears are also

856
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: near the bottom of the league this year, bad in

857
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: terms of points per game. They're worse than the Giants

858
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: right now. Now, to Lens point about, the Giants have

859
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: a better chance of Chase Daniels starting quarterback to Mitchell Drobiski,

860
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: if you go based on performance this year, I don't

861
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: agree with Len's assessment there. If you wanted to go

862
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: in previous years, I would perhaps say, I think that

863
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: has a little bit more stock. If you go with

864
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: the eye test and the statistical test, I think the

865
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: Bears are actually better off with Chase Daniel is the quarterback.

866
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: Does Mitchell Trubiski give them a little bit more mobility

867
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: and more athleticism? Absolutely, you don't necessarily have to worry

868
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: about that with Chase Daniel. But Daniel knows the scheme

869
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: just as good as true Bisky does, so it's really

870
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: not a downgrade in terms of knowledge and experience. Daniel

871
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: also started against the Giants last year. Now the rosters

872
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: have changed from both sides. And here's the biggest concern

873
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: going up against the Bears as we start to look ahead,

874
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: it's not so much about who the Bears starting quarterback is,

875
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: and don't look at this is well, this is a

876
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: favorable matchup for the Giants because the Bears are not

877
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: lighting up the scoreboard. First of all, how many times

878
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: have we said that we said that about the Jets,

879
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: by the way, people, and how many points did the

880
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 1: Jets put up? I digress get back to the point

881
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: at hand. The defense for the Chicago Bears, Okay, they're

882
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: still respectable, and they're still pretty damn good. Better than

883
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: respectable there that they're they're top five defense. So it's

884
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: a more concern of what's the Giants offense gonna do again,

885
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: it's the Bears defense. Then people getting all worked up

886
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: about what the Giants defense is gonna do against Chase

887
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Daniel and Mitch Drew biscuit. Now, I'll say this, it

888
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: gives the Giants defense an opportunity to have a nice

889
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: bounce back game. But will they take advantage of it?

890
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: Or are we gonna sit here again on on your

891
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: post game show, Jeff feels after the game, and I'm

892
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: gonna be sitting in the locker room and going, hey,

893
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, Jebrol Peppers, thanks for being with us. You

894
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: know we said going into the week, the Bears that

895
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: struggle moving the ball? How they have five plays of

896
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: thirty yards or more? I mean, I don't want to

897
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: have to ask those questions again, but that's kind of

898
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: what's happened over the course of the year, right, So

899
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: get right game? Can you figure out a way to

900
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: make the Bears play to their statistical profile on offense?

901
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: Can you do that? The opportunities there, Like you go,

902
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: when you play a team like the Cowboys, you could

903
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: play well defensively, they could still put thirty up on

904
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: the board, that's how good they are. But if you

905
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: come out and you play a really good defensive game

906
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: against the Bears. You should hold them under twenty points

907
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: and that should give you a good chance to win

908
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: the game. But will you will you do that? Yeah?

909
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: And that's the million dollar questions. It's not automatic, Lands,

910
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: And I think that's what people you know, think about sometimes,

911
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: like you don't just show up this team is bad

912
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: at this automatic you're gonna win that part of the game,

913
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: of course, especially when with the team like the Giants,

914
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: who are again in stage two of their transit, roster, transformation, rebuild,

915
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. They have to play

916
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: well to win any game they're in. They cannot show up,

917
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: play a poor game and win. That's not what they're

918
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: capable of doing, which is why the year has been

919
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: so frustrated. Well, and another thing as to why the

920
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Giants haven't been able to capitalize off of the shortcomings

921
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: of the opposition. It goes back to the numbers we

922
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: talked about at the beginning of the show. The Giants

923
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: have yet to have a clean game. John, So what

924
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: is the luxury? What's the gift to a team struggling?

925
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: You turn the ball over against them and you give

926
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: them favorable filth position. You spotted the Jets a touchdown

927
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: when Jamal Adams ripped the ball out of Daniel Jones's

928
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: hand after se Kwan Barkley had a breakdown and pass protection,

929
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: and you took pressure away from Sam Donald in company.

930
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: They weren't responsible for all the points in that game.

931
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: The defense gave them some nice cushion. It's the same thing,

932
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: by the way, you take that defensive touchdown off the board.

933
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: What's the final score, Well, you have to minus it's

934
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: a tie game. Yeah, because if you take that at

935
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: of dripped in touchdown off the board, it's twenty seven.

936
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: All there. It makes all the difference. Arizona Cardinals is

937
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: another game in terms of the turnovers, Chandler Jones giving

938
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: them favorable field position. That was an offense that wasn't

939
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: necessarily lighting it up. I mean, we could revisit every

940
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: single game this season, especially the teams struggling, and it's

941
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: the common theme, turnovers giving them opportunities. They capitalized and

942
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, those numbers don't look as

943
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: bad as they did leading into that game. All right,

944
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: let's go to line three, mackenzie, Let's go to Jake

945
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: up in Massachusetts. He's next. Let's up, Jake. Hey, Hey,

946
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: you guys doing up? Hey listen? Uh. I saw this

947
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: thing today that said that the Giants team to get

948
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: rid of Pat Shermer and to put in a more

949
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: discipline coach. And the first coach that they said was

950
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: to put Tom Cofflin back on the sideline? Can I

951
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: ask who they is? Jake? Yeah, which lovely website had

952
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: this story. I'm dying to know. Let's see Giants Giants wire?

953
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: Actually I see? Okay, yeah, And how do I feel

954
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: about that? No, but they definitely need someone more disciplined,

955
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: I think now now here. Now my question is why

956
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: do you use the word disciplined? Well, I think that

957
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: mcadow and now Shermer, I think they are more player

958
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: friendly instead of being more um like a discipline area. Well, Jake, Well, Jake,

959
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: for example, let let me ask a question more specifically,

960
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: what is it that the Giants are doing poor this

961
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: year that you think has to do with discipline rather

962
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: than something else? Well? I think at their discipline under

963
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: defense is awful in what way? Though? And like is

964
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: it because they're actually in the top ten and fewest

965
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: penalties in the league, So they don't get penalized a lot,

966
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: So you can throw that out right away. What do

967
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: you think they're doing poorly? That's directly related to discipline

968
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: and how and why the way the linebackers are not

969
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: taking care of the center of the field, um, and

970
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: they're just everything well, but that that's more of I

971
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: think what you're alluding to is more of just breakdowns,

972
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: mimed assignments extecution, yea execution. I don't know necessarily if

973
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I would say that synonymous Jake, with you know, the

974
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: lack of discipline or you know, to use a trite statement,

975
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: the inmates running the asylum type of thing where the

976
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: coach has no control and the players are just doing

977
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want. And by the way, Jake,

978
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: if you want to go back to Tom Coughlin's last

979
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: few years and see how the Giants covered the middle

980
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: of the field, I think you'd be disappointed. And Tom Coughlan,

981
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: who you just commended and I would agree with you,

982
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: was known as a guy that found good balance later

983
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: on in his coaching career of appealing to players, knowing

984
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: how to light it up at the same time knowing

985
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: went to step in and be disciplined but you go back,

986
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: as John mentioned, I mean, those defenses were not necessarily

987
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: thriving at the end of Tom Coughlin's tenure. Yeah. So

988
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, once again, I think we look at teams

989
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: when they're not performing, and we all of a sudden

990
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: point to well, they need a coach because the coach

991
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: is not getting the most out of the team and

992
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: they're undisciplined. I just think the players need to execute better.

993
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a matter of the coaches

994
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: not studying the film, breaking it down and telling the

995
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: guys where they need to be. It's just unfortunately reoccurring issues.

996
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: Some of it is because of young players, some of

997
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: it is because of injuries, some of it is guys

998
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: being thrown into new jobs. It's a conglomeration of issues.

999
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, necessarily if we're at the point where

1000
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, the team has tuned out the coach and

1001
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: that's the reason why they're struggling. And by the way,

1002
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: the coaching staff knows, and Pat Shermer knows, and everyone knows.

1003
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: If this lack of execution or if you want to

1004
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: use the term discipline however you want to phrase it,

1005
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: is fine if it continues for long enough, with different

1006
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: players every year, then it eventually is reflective on the coach.

1007
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: And everyone understands that. But I think for for two years,

1008
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: with the way this roster has turned over, with with

1009
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: the young people that are on the field, I'm not

1010
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: sure we're there yet. I have no idea what the

1011
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: front office feels that they might they might be at

1012
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: the short end the stack. I have no idea what

1013
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: what what what's going on stairs? Nobody does um and

1014
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: and and and and weird And we're not gonna sit

1015
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: here and and and say a coach should be fired.

1016
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: That's that. That's not what we do here. But I

1017
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from. The consistent issues on the

1018
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball should be a source of

1019
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: frustration for you. And we get where you're coming from

1020
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: on that and appreciate the phone coach, appreciate Yeah, as

1021
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: you noted, they've been not in a bad position penalty wise.

1022
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: I mean, there have been some games where you've had

1023
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: eight penalties and they certainly have been costly, but overall

1024
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: total on the season would not put the Giants in

1025
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: a position where you know what's going on here. You

1026
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: got the same issues coming to the forefront, and not

1027
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: to get completely off topic, but in the wake of

1028
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: what transpired with Cleveland and Pittsburgh on Thursday night, and

1029
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get into the whole dissertation here,

1030
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: but you know, you could point to when you have penalties,

1031
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: when you have undisciplined play like that, where players are

1032
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: taking to the extreme. If you want to have the

1033
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: conversation about is the coach translating to the players, you know,

1034
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: that may be a conversation. The Giants are in the

1035
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: complete opposite into the spectrum here. We're not even talking

1036
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: about throwing the fact in the game against Dallas. Dallas

1037
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: at three or four on sportsmen like penalties against the Giants,

1038
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: and the Giants and draw any flags in that game.

1039
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: So in that way, in terms of players controlling their

1040
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: emotions and doing what they're supposed to do on the field,

1041
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: I think they've actually been pretty good at that. Let's

1042
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: go to Jason and Main next Mackenzie online for what's up. Jason,

1043
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: how you guys doing today? What's up? Oh? Not too much,

1044
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: I said a question for you guys, and uh, I

1045
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: know you're not general manager, but we'll just curious on

1046
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: something Um, just if you're a GM and you really

1047
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: think you let's say you have a high draft pick

1048
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: in the first round and you really have you have

1049
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: huge belief in him, and uh, he comes out, he

1050
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: has a he has a very poor year. Um, how

1051
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: long do you stick with him? And maybe that's maybe

1052
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: that's according to what position it is, But how do

1053
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: you handle as the GM if you're really sold on

1054
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: a guy but he's real bad the first year. Let's

1055
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: say he starts off the second year just as poor.

1056
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how how long would you give him for

1057
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: something like that? Good question? I think you evaluate the

1058
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: reasons for his struggles and you try to figure out

1059
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: is that something innate within him that he can't fix.

1060
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: Like let's say you really love this corner and he

1061
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: gets you an all of a sudden. Now I don't

1062
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: see how this could happen with all the testing you do.

1063
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: But if you're bringing a corner like, oh man, he

1064
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: can't run like that, you can't fix that. You know,

1065
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: if our coaches can do what they want, they can't

1066
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: a guy faster, so you know something like that, Or

1067
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: you bring a quarterback and they just physically are not

1068
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: accurate enough, and you know, you can maybe fix mechanics,

1069
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: but sometimes it just can't do it. Or a quarterback can't,

1070
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, keep his head on his shoulders when he's

1071
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: under pressure and he's trying to read the field and

1072
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: he just you know, goes blanket. He's all over the place.

1073
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: I think it depends the lands on what the struggles

1074
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: are and what you're seeing. I don't think it's fair

1075
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: to kind of make a blanket statement. Now, you can't

1076
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: stick with a guy forever. That's never gonna work. But

1077
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: I think you kind of have to go on a

1078
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: case by case basis with that. Yeah, I also think

1079
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: you need to look at what changed with your coaching staff.

1080
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: You know, did a player struggle year one with one

1081
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: coaching staff? Did you change the coaching staff? Did that

1082
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: contribute to why the players struggled because of maybe where

1083
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: the player was positioned. If he's a defensive player, I'm

1084
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: talking about something that's unrelated to their physical characteristics that

1085
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: may be holding them back. I mean, personally, I'm comfortable

1086
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: in saying that if I were a GM, I'd want

1087
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: to at least see two full seasons of the guys

1088
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: before I start jump to conclusions. And quarterback probably three. Yeah,

1089
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: once again, because I think one year alone does not

1090
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: tell enough. We went over some of the giants rookies,

1091
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes you have ups and downs and

1092
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden things clicking year two. So

1093
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: at bare minimum, I want to see two full seasons

1094
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: and then by the time of year three comes around.

1095
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: By the midway point of the third season, if the

1096
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: changing and coaches didn't work, if the positioning of a

1097
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: player in a new scheme didn't work, you know, then

1098
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: I probably have to reassess my situation and wonder whether

1099
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: or not the players are good fit. But you gotta

1100
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: at least get two full seasons out of the guy

1101
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: before you make some bold declarations and make any bold transactions.

1102
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: I think, okay, good, yeah, great answers. I appreciate it.

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00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: That's all I have. Thank thank you, Jason. Appreciate the

1104
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: phone call. You know, by the way, it's uh, very

1105
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: refreshing to hear from somebody from the state of Maine

1106
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: who actually puts together some coherent thoughts. I just thought

1107
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: i'd add that. But anyway, if you want to hear

1108
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: some incoherent thoughts from me, let's go to them right now.

1109
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: And that's Charlie, that was a fastball right down the middle.

1110
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for get that and shout out to my

1111
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: cell made land in Maryland. I want to say, hello,

1112
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: why is he a cell made? Hold on? Why is

1113
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: he a cell made? Putting lennin you in the same category.

1114
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: I think it's an injustice to lenn or in the

1115
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: same facility that matter. Yeah, hey, look, I mean at Lants,

1116
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: two years is too late. You think Belichick's hang on

1117
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: to somebody for two years if he thinks he can't play.

1118
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Well, how about to give me

1119
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: an example. But let's let's let's just make the generic

1120
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: statement and bring Bill Belichick into the school of thought.

1121
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have a paper full of Patriots picks

1122
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: who he gave up on thirty days after he drifted

1123
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: right that he doesn't hang on to anybody. He's let

1124
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: go of first round picks whatever, and he'll let him

1125
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: go the first year if he doesn't think they're gonna

1126
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: fit what he's doing. So, I mean, you know this

1127
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: is the Eric Flowers. Let's hanging on to him for

1128
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: three or four years and then we'll let him go.

1129
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: Let's he said it's on a case by case basis.

1130
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. Yeah, is hey, John,

1131
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question. How many turnovers

1132
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: that the offense have overall? I believe the offense twelve

1133
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: you talked about this season. No, No, he doesn't mean

1134
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: differentially means total giveaways, total giveaways. I think total giveaways

1135
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: are at hold on, charl I can pull this up

1136
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: for you. Uh, this is my defense, that's my offense,

1137
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: tart Okay, overall this year, the Giants, if they're minus

1138
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: twelve to they have twelve takeaways. That means they have twenty,

1139
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: that's correct. And how many of those are attributed to Jones?

1140
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: He has I believe eight interceptions and sixteen total is

1141
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: nine fumbles, so I believe it's six not sixteen? Was sixteen? Okay?

1142
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: I was right? Or seven? I might be seventeen seventeen

1143
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, So seventeen into what's the percentage about is

1144
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones? Yeah? Of course. But by the way,

1145
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: Charlie ROI that I had. I ask you, John, if

1146
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: he does this next year and fumbles two or three

1147
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: times every game, how long are you going to stick

1148
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: with him? I'm not going to give up. If if

1149
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: if he's very efficient and good throwing the path throwing

1150
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: the ball, and his interceptions are down. No, I'm not

1151
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: giving up on him after two years because he's fumbling.

1152
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sorry. He's giving the game away. If he's

1153
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: fumbling all over the is Your quarterbacks are correctable, Charlie.

1154
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: Fumbles are correctable. How come that they haven't been corrected yet.

1155
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes a little bit more time than you

1156
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: wanted to, but they're correctable well. And as we mentioned, Charlie,

1157
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: if you've been listening, but you know that is putting

1158
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: it politely that every turnover has its own story. And

1159
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: if you say that Daniel Jones has seventeen, okay, so

1160
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: how many of the seventeen could he have avoided? Meaning realistically,

1161
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: given the fact that he was in his throwing position

1162
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: on some of them, You've got to look at it

1163
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: through that lens. And this is not a defense mechanism

1164
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: to say that once again, Daniel Jones doesn't have things

1165
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: to clean up. But it's not seventeen turnovers on an

1166
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: island and we just say it's seventy turnovers. There were

1167
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: at least seven or eight occurrences this season where I

1168
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: don't know what Daniel Jones could have done to avoid

1169
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: the turnover? Is my point? Probably not playing maybe real quick,

1170
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: real real quick. In all seriousness, Look, has Daniel Jones

1171
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: cost the Giants games with the turnovers this year? Absolutely nobody's.

1172
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: Nobody's arguing that point. He know, he's talked about it endlessly.

1173
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: He knows he's got to get it fixed. He's really

1174
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: unhappy about it. He knows that the coaches know what

1175
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: they're working on it. But it is what it is,

1176
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: and I get it. You've called and you make the

1177
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: point every time you call in. No one's arguing with

1178
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: your point, but if you want to. But but if

1179
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: you want, no one's argue that no one has problem.

1180
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: No one's arguing that he has issues with turnovers and

1181
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: his turnovers cost the team games. Anybody who argues that

1182
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: as a fool, because it's true. But that doesn't mean

1183
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: that you take your sixth overall pick in the draft, who,

1184
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: by the way, has been a very perfect passer of

1185
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: the football as a rookie, and throw him away because

1186
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: of some fumbles. That's stupid. And I guarantee, if Bill

1187
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Belichick is not getting rid of Daniel Jones, you don't know, well,

1188
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: you don't know, you're right, it's hypothetical, but your life

1189
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: saved here, receiver or even a quarterback who fumbled three

1190
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: times a game. I don't think he would. I really don't.

1191
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: Look But one my other point is Dave Gettleman, you

1192
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: know we're gonna have what seventy million dollars in cap

1193
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: space around there, and his track record on free agents

1194
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: has not been really great. I don't look forward to

1195
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: him spending that money and bringing people in. Who says

1196
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: he's going to spend all the money though, who says

1197
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: he's under the gun that he's got to spend. Who

1198
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: wants to spend every don't go down that well. But

1199
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: but he wants to fix the defense, He's going to

1200
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: have to do something. Okay, So so he just cleaned

1201
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: up what Jerry Reese had done in two thousand sixteen

1202
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: when he invested all that money in Olivier Vernon Snacks

1203
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: and June Ris Jenkins. So do you think that after

1204
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: cleaning all of that up, which was another challenge he

1205
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: had when he took over in Carolina and he had

1206
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: a worse cap situation, do you really think then that

1207
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: the first thing that he's thinking is let me take

1208
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: all the money I just freed up, and now let

1209
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: me tie it all up into three or four players.

1210
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that that is? And once again,

1211
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I've had conversations with him. I'm just

1212
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: looking at this from a logical standpoint. Do you really

1213
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: think that that would be the first thought. I just

1214
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: cleaned it up, and now I'm gonna take all the money.

1215
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend it all over again. Well, put it

1216
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: this way. If he wants to start winning, which this

1217
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: organization needs to do, he's going to need to bring

1218
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: in at least a couple of And I don't disagree

1219
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: with that. I don't disagree with that. But it's one

1220
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: thing to bring in a cluster of free agents and

1221
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: do it wisely with how you take your resources and

1222
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: spread it across the board, as opposed to taking the

1223
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: bulk of the money and tying it up in two

1224
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: or three players. There's a variety of different ways you

1225
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: go about spending your money. Charlie, Yeah, that's true. That's true.

1226
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: And the Bears game coming up, I wouldn't pooh pooh

1227
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: Mr Chase Daniels because he could have a really good game. Remember,

1228
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: we give you just all your stats. John, We've given

1229
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: up so many long plays to people you know always

1230
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna kill us. As Coleman, the little six five ft

1231
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: six guy by the way, he goes. He goes by

1232
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: the name Treik Cohen. But Coleman also is going to

1233
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: be very dangerous. You're right, Coleman. I'm gonna look out.

1234
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look out for Coleman. Coleman on Sunday is

1235
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a terrible Tarik Coleman. Tarik Coleman, Thank you, Charlie.

1236
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: I just picked him up in fantasy Trek Coleman. You

1237
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: watch how people. He's gonna do so much damage on Sunday.

1238
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to see a Taik Coleman run wild

1239
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: against the Giants defense. At first I thought he ment Gabriel,

1240
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but Taylor Gabriel, but he's

1241
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: also tiny. He is you know, he definitely meant to

1242
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: did absolutely Yeah, that's who all Right's gotten new Mexico

1243
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: wrappers up them. By the way, folks, I have one

1244
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: more thing. I want to give you a couple of

1245
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: numbers before we say goodbye. Go ahead, Scott, Hey, guys,

1246
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: how you do uh Is it okay to disagree with Charlie?

1247
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: Is it okay, it's welcome, it's required. Actually, go back

1248
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: to the two thousand and seventh season when the Giants

1249
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: won their Super Bowl. Eli Manning through twenty interceptions that year,

1250
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: gets how many fumbles? He had this good question, how many?

1251
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: Oh so see and now I guarantee you by the way,

1252
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: Charlie was one of the guys after that Vikings game

1253
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: in week ten that one of Eli manning bench that

1254
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: years ranks sixth on the all time list of fumbles lost.

1255
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: Warren Moon and Brett Farr, both Hall of famers, are

1256
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: on the top of the list. Terrible players. All of

1257
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: them are terrible. They all think we're taking a big

1258
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: deal out of that. But my main focus. I really

1259
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: enjoyed your uh out uh what we call it statistical

1260
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: breakdown at the beginning of your thing on Daniel Jones,

1261
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: not to compare quarterbacks, but the completion percentage wise, Niel

1262
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: Jones is right about in the middle. Tom Brady by

1263
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, by accounts of sixty three point one, Daniels

1264
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: about sixty three. And just to give you someone another analysis,

1265
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,959
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is at sixty one point two so he's

1266
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: right in the middle and he's doing his job. I'm

1267
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: not questioning that, but I want to go back and

1268
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: I'll finish this up, so take up too much time.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to the point that the

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Speaker 1: earlier call have made because I happen to think that

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Speaker 1: execution and uh mental discipline is two different things, and

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Speaker 1: Bob popp Is sort of addressed that in one of

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Speaker 1: his postgame shows. He said, the Giants like mental discipline

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Speaker 1: or discipline. What I mean by discipline is knowing your assignments.

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Speaker 1: In other words, knowing where you're supposed to be, or

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Speaker 1: from the coach's point of view, if you have an

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Speaker 1: injured player like a Sequon Barkley and you put him

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01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: up against a blitzer, you know, the chances are he

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Speaker 1: may not be able to, you know, do the jobs,

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Speaker 1: and that's mental discipline issues. My question to you guys

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Speaker 1: is this, I have no assurance that Giants is going

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Speaker 1: to be any better next year than they this year

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Speaker 1: if they don't correct that. And I'm I'm asking you,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the bill beligient mantra. You have your players

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Speaker 1: have to do their job, So how do you correct

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Speaker 1: the mental disciplines since they know what their assignments are.

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Speaker 1: Is that a coaching issue a player issue? And how

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Speaker 1: do you correct it if you're going to have a

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Speaker 1: season next year? And to me, understanding your own personal

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Speaker 1: assignment on a play is the job of a player.

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Speaker 1: It's very simple. The play is called you of your responsibility,

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Speaker 1: Go and do your responsibility. I guarantee the coaches are

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Speaker 1: telling them what to do. It's not like they're like

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Speaker 1: cover four, do whatever you want. That's what they're saying.

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Speaker 1: So the players have to carry those instructions to the

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Speaker 1: field so when it comes and if that's what if

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Speaker 1: that's what you mean by mental discipline, that's what the

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Speaker 1: previous caller is trying to say, I'll buy that. That

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Speaker 1: makes more sense than than kind of what we were

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Speaker 1: talking about previously. But that's up to the player. Lands

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Speaker 1: like there's an assignment on a play, execute the assignment.

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Speaker 1: That's just being locked in, being focused, doing the work

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01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: during the week, and being on top of your you

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: know what. Yeah, if the same mistakes keep showing up

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01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: and the coaches using the film as a teachable lesson,

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01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that it's on the

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01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: coach that they're not going out and giving all their

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01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: effort to make sure that the player is aware of

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: the same things coming to the forefront. Now, sometimes because

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01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: of the lack of depth, you're unfortunately put in a

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01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: position where you have to maybe put out a player

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01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: there who is not necessarily executing at a high level,

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01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: but just because that is by far your best talented player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes coaches are just put in those precarious predicaments.

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01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think when a player breaks down

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01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,479
Speaker 1: we always point the finger at all. The coaching staff

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: has no idea what it's doing. It's almost as if,

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01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: you know, we can't hold the player responsible for having

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01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: a misassignment or you know, being maybe taught the right

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01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: way to do it and then just having a moment

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01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: during a game where they go out on their own

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: and they take the wrong angle, or they take a

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01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: route that shouldn't have played out that way and they

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01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: should have went in a different direction based on what

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01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: the scheme calls for. Its is no different that if

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Speaker 1: you're in class and you're a college student and the

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01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: teacher does a lecture about World War Two and the

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01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: teacher says, um, the Russians entered the war because of this,

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01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: this and that. Okay, then you get to the test.

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01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: You take the test. The question is why the Russians

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01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: enter the war? You give the wrong answer. Is that

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: the teacher's fault or is that your fault as a

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01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: student for not taking what the teacher correctly taught you

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: was carrying it to the test. So different. Every game

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01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: is a test in in a lot of ways. You

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01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: have to take what you learned, apply it in a

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01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: time intense atmosphere, and do a good job with it.

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01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: And that's on the player. A couple of quick things

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01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: before you say goodbye, folks, just want to give you

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01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: one other couple of nuggets here. And then some people

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: have kind of brought up in terms of the offense,

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01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: they need to be undersent to more less shotgun, you know,

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: kind of all those sorts of things, and that might

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01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: solve some of the problems. Well. Profitable focus allows you

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01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: to kind of break down what the team does in

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01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: personnel groups and stuff like that. Daniel Jones numbers based

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01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: in personnel group, an alignment, shotgun or under center are

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: almost identical across the boards. I mean identical across the board.

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: So there's nothing that shows if he's in one formation

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01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: or another, he's significantly better. Nothing in his start shows

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01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: he's better in any specific formation, personnel group, or an alignment.

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. Um Surprisingly enough, he's about equally as

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01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: good versus the blitz and not the blitz. He doesn't

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: turn the ball over more versus the blitz are not

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: the blitz, so blitzing hasn't really affected him much. It's

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of very similar when he does when he's not

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01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: blitz so that's another deal. Um Sekwon Barkley has run

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: the ball best when the Giants are in three wide

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: receivers in the field of spread out a little bit more.

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01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: He's a little bit bunder better when he's under center

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: than when he's in shotgun. It's about a yard per

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01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: carry difference, but it's not super significant. But he's about

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Speaker 1: two and a half yards per carry better in eleven

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Speaker 1: personnel than in full back personnel or in two tight

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Speaker 1: end personnel. So he does better when the field is

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Speaker 1: spread out, which is not surprising. The one thing is

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: that they could use Daniel Jones and a little bit

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Speaker 1: more play action, which could maybe lend itself to some

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01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: more under centered stuff that to do more play action.

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Speaker 1: His numbers and play action are really very very good,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants are not in the top parts of

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Speaker 1: the league in terms of percent of their plays out

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Speaker 1: our play action, but otherwise in terms of personnel groups

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Speaker 1: and formation lens, there's really nothing that shows that those

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Speaker 1: sorts of tweaks should have a significant impact on what

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Speaker 1: the Giants offense is the final six games, which once

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Speaker 1: again goes back to what we were talking about. It's

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Speaker 1: more of the lack of execution than perhaps the lack

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Speaker 1: of creativity or you know, the coaching decision making at

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Speaker 1: this point. And by the way, sack rate isn't impacted

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Speaker 1: by blitzer no blitz either, which I found interesting. His

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01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: sacks per pass drop back or almost identical for when

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: he's blitzed and not blitzed, which I thought was interesting

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Speaker 1: because you know, rookie quarterbacks, you blitzing, you're supposed to

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01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: rattle him, right, has not been the case. Well, and

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: once again, you know that to me is actually what

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Speaker 1: I would interpret as a positive. I I don't look

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Speaker 1: at that as a negative for a young guy. And

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Speaker 1: you're saying that the production is not thrown off heavily

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Speaker 1: whether there is a blitz or there's not a blitz.

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Speaker 1: Further shows I think that he's rather even keel and

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Speaker 1: he can continue to improve upon that and even rankings wise,

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Speaker 1: like playing under pressure in terms of base of like

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01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: stats based on how the quarterback performs under pressure versus

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Speaker 1: not under pressure. Obviously the raw numbers when he's not

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01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: under pressure or a lot better. But if you look

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Speaker 1: at ranks, he's actually ranked higher among quarterbacks in his

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: performance under pressure then he is ranked when he's not

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Speaker 1: under pressure. So pressure hasn't even bothered as much as

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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks in the league, and that is something that

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Speaker 1: it's hard to teach. If a guy is pressured and

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01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: he's bothered, you know, good luck trying to create an

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: environment where he can flourish. So if you've got a

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01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: good feel for that, I think that's encouraging. For example,

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: just to give an example, yards attempt six when he's

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Speaker 1: kept clean, fourteen when he's under pressure, twenty three. Average

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: depth of target when he's clean seventeen went under pressure.

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: You know, little things like that that it shows difference. Now,

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: get his performance when he's clean is a lot better,

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Speaker 1: which is important, But in terms of where he ranks,

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01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: there's he's actually a little bit better under pressure from

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Speaker 1: a ranking perspective than he is when he's kept clean.

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