Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama Queens, Girl Fashion,
Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl. You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens. It's almost
Speaker 1: like the school lunch table because we assume certain roles
Speaker 1: in our friendship dynamic, and Joy has gotten so good
Speaker 1: at just doing like the synopsis that my default is
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm gonna sit back right now. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let Joy do this. I didn't realize I was
Speaker 1: was I have I been railroading. I'm sorry, You're good
Speaker 1: at it. And then what happens is so feels really
Speaker 1: really good at ad reads and doing like the emotional work,
Speaker 1: like the therapy work, and I'm the one that does.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's true of every for the chandler being, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've just got our we've got our jobs. So whose
Speaker 1: job is synopsis? I think you should. I think you
Speaker 1: should step out of your comfort. I agree, I think
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. Tell the people what they win
Speaker 1: to watch you guys, you can cried this episode after
Speaker 1: multiple time that the last few episodes have been real
Speaker 1: stinkers and so I was not expecting this. Yeah, Season three,
Speaker 1: episode twelve, I've Got Dreams to remember it was January
Speaker 1: six when this aired, and the synopsis is everyone is
Speaker 1: thinking of their future. After meeting with tree Hill Highs
Speaker 1: guidance counselor, Brook finds out the real reason why Rachel
Speaker 1: submitted her to Rogue Vogue. Keith is unfazed by Dan's
Speaker 1: attempt to rattle him and asked Karen out on a date,
Speaker 1: and then Nathan's failing the pressure of his basketball dreams,
Speaker 1: while Lucas takes center court and gets the attention of
Speaker 1: a college scout seriously to cover web. You know what
Speaker 1: I love? I really liked this episode. Um. I liked
Speaker 1: seeing people get what they need. Everybody's sort of gotten
Speaker 1: a little bit of what they needed. And even Brooke,
Speaker 1: when you know, when you were feeling super vulnerable and
Speaker 1: like scared of leaving high school and all that, like
Speaker 1: getting this a having an adult listen to your fears
Speaker 1: and being able to talk about those things to a
Speaker 1: grown up who is a safe space, which is just awesome.
Speaker 1: I have those fears validated and that yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 1: Um Peyton getting oh and Brook also being able to
Speaker 1: get what she needs with Rachel and still finding a
Speaker 1: way to stick up for herself. Great Peyton getting what
Speaker 1: she needs from Ellie. That beautiful. I mean, we'll, we'll,
Speaker 1: we'll hit all these moments in depth. But you know,
Speaker 1: Haley and Nathan getting what they need with each other,
Speaker 1: and the acknowledgement and um willingness to sacrifice for each
Speaker 1: other and the bridge back to each other. Nathan getting
Speaker 1: what he needs and learning how to step up and
Speaker 1: be a leader and put the team first. Lucas getting
Speaker 1: what he needs and recognizing that he's probably not going
Speaker 1: to go to college for basketball, and it's it's in
Speaker 1: the ball pardon the pun. He falls in his court
Speaker 1: to pass the baton to Nathan. Um and Keith and
Speaker 1: Karen getting what they need, and Dan gets a real
Speaker 1: good taste of his own medicine. It's everybody gets what
Speaker 1: they need. I love it. That's a great way to
Speaker 1: put it. It is I am. At the end of
Speaker 1: this episode, we were all like, who directed this? And
Speaker 1: this director is a guy named Stewart Gilad. How do
Speaker 1: we want to say his last name? That double L?
Speaker 1: There's no you, So I think it's Canadian director. And
Speaker 1: when I looked up his credits, I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: I know this guy, joy you and I geeked out.
Speaker 1: So it on this man because he directed like five
Speaker 1: episodes of Avonlea. That's right, Because you guys noticed, like
Speaker 1: we're obsessed with Anna green Gables, were obsessed with Adele,
Speaker 1: with that old series Avonlea, which is like a very
Speaker 1: Canadian old timey TV show that we loved as kids,
Speaker 1: and we kept we kept kind of noticing in this
Speaker 1: episode all these tiny little moments that meant so much.
Speaker 1: And it's very reminiscent of a show like Avonlee where
Speaker 1: you don't have like big, huge things going on. It
Speaker 1: took place in like the eight hundreds, you know, the
Speaker 1: little things are kind of the only thing that matter.
Speaker 1: And so to have a director like that come in
Speaker 1: and and make a meal out of those tender little moments,
Speaker 1: that's well, that's it reminded me of why. That's why
Speaker 1: I was saying when we were watching it, this is
Speaker 1: what people fell in love with the is white people
Speaker 1: came back to tree Hill every week because they were
Speaker 1: so in love with It's the it's the meat in between.
Speaker 1: It's the moments, the tiny moments, and especially you know
Speaker 1: you said it a minute ago joy when people have
Speaker 1: been struggling and they get what they need, it's a
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. This whole episode felt like a
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. And and this incoming director Stewart
Speaker 1: made these gorgeous choices. The way that he interviewed all
Speaker 1: of us in tight so that the guidance counselor, while
Speaker 1: being a great comic relief and really jumping in and
Speaker 1: being so good as a guest star, also would disappear
Speaker 1: in the moments that our characters got really vulnerable, and
Speaker 1: you got to see people share things that they've been
Speaker 1: scared to say out loud. And as as the episode
Speaker 1: went on, it got tighter and tighter and tighter, and
Speaker 1: then we were all looking into camera. Oh, I love
Speaker 1: that you noticed that I didn't see so I thought.
Speaker 1: He made such brilliant directing choices. In addition to bringing
Speaker 1: you literally into the character's world. When the Ravens were
Speaker 1: winning the championship, all the SloMo We're so gorgeous. You
Speaker 1: saw everyone have a moment of you know, holding their
Speaker 1: breath in anticipation, and then joy and us over with
Speaker 1: all the you know, the three of us with the
Speaker 1: cheerleaders and mouth and Gigi you know, screaming, and Keith
Speaker 1: and Karen, you know, a pom pomp went flying and
Speaker 1: popcorn went by in and then they under the basket
Speaker 1: when he's coming down from making that winning shot and
Speaker 1: he yeah, he makes it, and everyone grabs him and
Speaker 1: then he's just being carried and you thought he was
Speaker 1: going to have a heart attack and he didn't like
Speaker 1: every moment. Oh my god. It was so good and
Speaker 1: we needed this. We needed it, We need the audience
Speaker 1: needed it because it was the last, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: four or five episode. It's been a little rocky, and
Speaker 1: we've had so many guest directors and people coming in
Speaker 1: and trying new styles and sometimes it's like kind of
Speaker 1: takes away from the original, you know, meat of what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do, and there's just so many kind
Speaker 1: of fuzzy things that too that I feel like this
Speaker 1: nailed it. The audience, we everybody in the show got
Speaker 1: what they needed and the audience got what we needed.
Speaker 1: We needed this moment of like rah rah cheer, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's all going to work out, and the emotion. It
Speaker 1: felt like a small town in this episode. You know,
Speaker 1: so much of what our show builds into is like
Speaker 1: there's always this kind of escalation into either big city
Speaker 1: or richer kids, or you know, the more and more
Speaker 1: and more and more and more mentality. And this was
Speaker 1: a small town episode. You're back in this old timey
Speaker 1: gym that we all fell in love with. Of that
Speaker 1: gym when Keith picks Karen up for the date and
Speaker 1: the three of us were like, like, you guys don't understand.
Speaker 1: Wilmington's sidewalks at night have a very specific like sound
Speaker 1: and smell and sense memory picture and which one of
Speaker 1: you said it, You're like, I can smell it. I did, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, And that and that really low hanging humidity.
Speaker 1: You get this mixture of salt water and magnolia and
Speaker 1: guardinia and old leaves because the seasons are changing and
Speaker 1: it's like all mixed together. You can't tell if it's
Speaker 1: the most beautiful smell or the strangest smell. There is
Speaker 1: no place more romantic to me than the South. Take Paris,
Speaker 1: you can have Paris. I want the South. It is
Speaker 1: so romantic, you're you know, there's there's literally bugs flying
Speaker 1: around that light up the sky like their little fairies
Speaker 1: flying around everywhere. In the summer, it's it's unbelievable. And
Speaker 1: the heat and then you know you're just like it's
Speaker 1: that sexy. I love it, and I think, especially for
Speaker 1: the three of us, that's where we came of age.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about movies and television and these
Speaker 1: classic coming of age stories. That's what One Tree Hill
Speaker 1: is and Wilmington's was our coming of age story together
Speaker 1: and here we are. It makes me so emotional, Like
Speaker 1: we say this all the time when we go out
Speaker 1: and we speak like we're the love story, you guys,
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm having this deeply nostalgic like Stewart really
Speaker 1: brought us back, deeply nostalgic feeling about us three coming
Speaker 1: of age together on those sidewalks late at night. I
Speaker 1: can around totally here the click of our boot heels,
Speaker 1: like you know how there's like high heeled boots and
Speaker 1: I can yeah, there's just um, there's an intimacy to
Speaker 1: this small town field that we got in this episode.
Speaker 1: I say it, Yeah, there's a quietness too to those
Speaker 1: to those streets, even on the busy days, you know,
Speaker 1: the riverwalk stuff and when we would be out even
Speaker 1: when we were doing burning boat stuff, and or if
Speaker 1: you just go out downtown you're walking around, there's something
Speaker 1: that there's always around any corner. There's a there is
Speaker 1: an intimacy and a quiet that you could find just
Speaker 1: tucking into any small corner that you can't find in
Speaker 1: New York City. You can't quite find it in l A.
Speaker 1: There's always some I don't know, there's something. It's a
Speaker 1: small town thing. It's really unique to small towns knowing
Speaker 1: that you can find it and you hit it on
Speaker 1: the on the head to Hillary the wonder, there's magic
Speaker 1: in the air. There's wonder around every corner. It's not
Speaker 1: all been blown out to where be Blore jaded and
Speaker 1: it's like whatever, they're still magic. It still feels fun
Speaker 1: well to have a smaller basketball crowd too, you know,
Speaker 1: like that smaller gym really set a tone. And you
Speaker 1: know we saw in the last episode and it was
Speaker 1: so gross and the boys are cleaning it up and
Speaker 1: it just kind of felt like a device and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we got kicked out of our normal
Speaker 1: gym to film, so we're gonna go like take up
Speaker 1: this story, having fewer extras, being able to really like
Speaker 1: decorate the place, but have those decorations set against a
Speaker 1: backdrop of decay. You know, when you grow up in
Speaker 1: a small town that doesn't have resources and you see
Speaker 1: that decay every day, and then you're having these conversations
Speaker 1: with seventeen year old kids about what is your future
Speaker 1: going to be. I really appreciated that not all of
Speaker 1: our characters were like, oh, we're going to college, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: what can I afford it to be able to go
Speaker 1: to college? And it's not a reality for every kid,
Speaker 1: but on TV, like a lot of the other teen dramas,
Speaker 1: it was just kind of a given, like we want
Speaker 1: to go to college, not us. Yeah. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that really resonated. I don't
Speaker 1: know with me and you know, growing up sort of
Speaker 1: middle lower class, and and I think there's just so
Speaker 1: many people that resonate with that sense of not everything
Speaker 1: is secure, not everything is certain out there, and we're
Speaker 1: all just kind of struggling by Um. That's pretty cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it is nice to see everyone not
Speaker 1: be so confident all the time. You know, we had
Speaker 1: a lot about how there was this sort of over
Speaker 1: indexing on our show of success. Everybody became something huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's really nice to see people just say, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. I loved, you know,
Speaker 1: especially for a character like Brooke, who you know, was
Speaker 1: one of the quote unquote rich kids at school. I
Speaker 1: loved seeing behind the curtain. Thank you. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: I should learn to take a compliment with we're watching um.
Speaker 1: You know, I loved being able to throw her peek
Speaker 1: behind the curtain and say, this person who looks like
Speaker 1: they have it all together, is alone, has no one
Speaker 1: to talk to, doesn't know if she's good at anything,
Speaker 1: doesn't know if she's going to end up anywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: whether it's outward projection or an observer's expectation or your
Speaker 1: own fear, nobody really knows what's accurate. And so watching
Speaker 1: Peyton say I don't know if I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to school, watching Hayley say, well, what matters more to
Speaker 1: me my individual dreams or or my partnership. Having Brooke
Speaker 1: be afraid that she may not amount to anything. Once
Speaker 1: she leaves high school. These were all wind was into
Speaker 1: these people and and it feels more real. And yeah, Joy,
Speaker 1: you're right when you think about how you grew up,
Speaker 1: Like my mom went to trade school, she was a
Speaker 1: dental hygienist. Like you know, there was there wasn't a
Speaker 1: degree available to everyone, even a generation behind ours. And
Speaker 1: the reality is there wasn't a degree available to and
Speaker 1: everyone in our generation, and there certainly isn't a degree
Speaker 1: available to everybody now. And I appreciate the representation. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and that's that's where I was going with it, is
Speaker 1: that Brooke represents a demographic that does exist. There's not
Speaker 1: there's no shame in being wealthy, There's no shame in
Speaker 1: growing up that way. That's that's that is a demographic
Speaker 1: of people who grew up that way. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: take away the humanity and the things that we struggle with.
Speaker 1: And that's what I love Brooke representing, is that she's
Speaker 1: she's still just just a girl standing in front of
Speaker 1: a high school wondering, I'm just a girl standing in
Speaker 1: front of my college counselor asking is anyone ever gonna
Speaker 1: love me? In the most fabulous little argyle sweater. This
Speaker 1: episode was so really two thousands were they were redeemable. Okay,
Speaker 1: they were some cute stuff. All the kids are wearing
Speaker 1: it now. I mean now it's ironic, but they're still
Speaker 1: wearing it. God Bless Latter Clueless made an impact not
Speaker 1: just on us, but on generations to come. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Alicia's that's right. I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 1: But like you, you mentioned our guest actress Donna Cooper,
Speaker 1: who played the school counselor what like a huge job.
Speaker 1: You know she's got she's got a scaffold this entire
Speaker 1: storyline and also be someone trustworthy in the course of
Speaker 1: like one episode. Why we didn't have her all the time?
Speaker 1: Who knows? I don't know, who knows. Might have been nice,
Speaker 1: God Well, to see Brooke open up to someone, to
Speaker 1: see an adult that's able to get in there with
Speaker 1: the kids in a meaningful way. She would have been
Speaker 1: a great series regular. Actually, it would have been so
Speaker 1: nice to say. I mean, I guess Whitey sort of
Speaker 1: served that purpose, but he's not. He's so much older
Speaker 1: than us, and you know, I love the wisdom that
Speaker 1: he offers. But also there's there's an element of just
Speaker 1: there's always going to be a miss a Mr misconnection,
Speaker 1: missconnection there with someone with that big of an age difference,
Speaker 1: and we would have been really nice. She was great.
Speaker 1: I mean, the idea that these meetings were such a
Speaker 1: big deal. Do you guys remember your counselor meetings? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you do? Do you you don't remember? It wasn't a
Speaker 1: big deal. Well, I think I was one of those
Speaker 1: like turbo kids that had it so planned out. I
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't need you to ask me
Speaker 1: a questions, Like I'm getting out of here, I'm going
Speaker 1: to New York. I've been saying it since I was eleven,
Speaker 1: Like we don't need to talk about it. I got it.
Speaker 1: And so this kind of idea that like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: going to have these big meetings with the counselor. It
Speaker 1: was so you're telling me it's real. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it happens. I mean I definitely had one.
Speaker 1: I was going to go to RADA, the Royal Academy
Speaker 1: of Dramatic Arts. I was like, that was my dream
Speaker 1: school for ever. I was I'm getting the hell out
Speaker 1: of here and going to London. That was my plan
Speaker 1: years America. This is stupid, that's right. Yeah, I felt
Speaker 1: that way for sure. I just wanted to get to London.
Speaker 1: It's all I ever wanted to do. Was like, I'm
Speaker 1: want to go do theater and British TV and like
Speaker 1: costume dramas and I don't care about anything else. And
Speaker 1: then uh so I had. I had begun filling out
Speaker 1: my application. I was like halfway through, and I've been
Speaker 1: talking with my guidance counselor about it. And my grades
Speaker 1: weren't awesome, but I'm also an actor, so I think
Speaker 1: they you know, and I had like a long history
Speaker 1: of work behind me, and so I felt like, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: My grades in history and English were really good. They
Speaker 1: didn't Rodda probably doesn't care about math, so thank god,
Speaker 1: so I got you know, I got really close, and
Speaker 1: I was I was ready to submit, and then um
Speaker 1: I got the Guiding Light and it was a two
Speaker 1: year series regular job, and I knew I obviously couldn't
Speaker 1: do both, and um so I just chose the I
Speaker 1: chose the job. I was like, well, if I could
Speaker 1: start working straight out of school, why don't I just
Speaker 1: do that? And then if I if that job ends
Speaker 1: and I don't get more work. Well, then I'll go
Speaker 1: to school because Rod is still going to be there. Um.
Speaker 1: But then, you know, I kept working, so my dream
Speaker 1: school still sitting out there. Maybe I'll go when I'm
Speaker 1: like sixty guys, okay saying Sophia, can I do that?
Speaker 1: You guys? I love this because Hill similarly to you,
Speaker 1: I had a plan in high school and I I
Speaker 1: was doing all this crazy community service work my senior
Speaker 1: in high school and every I just had no free time.
Speaker 1: That was like when I probably started over scheduling myself
Speaker 1: and I'm still trying to unlearn that and and I
Speaker 1: so I really had a plan and it was like
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing on you know, every day
Speaker 1: until the end of the year. And UM, USC was
Speaker 1: my top choice because I knew I wanted to be
Speaker 1: in school but also be acting. And the counselor meeting
Speaker 1: that was the most impactful for me, which was weirdly
Speaker 1: mirrored in this episode. I went to USC for the
Speaker 1: b FA Theater program. You know, I did the audition
Speaker 1: and it's like a really big deal, You're coming to
Speaker 1: get a Bachelor of Fine Arts and UM and they
Speaker 1: accept fourteen students on audition per year and blah, and
Speaker 1: I got there and I was like, I hate this. Um.
Speaker 1: All we do all day is like sit around in
Speaker 1: an empty black box theater and we do scenes and
Speaker 1: then people who, well, why did you make that choice?
Speaker 1: And I was like, aren't you supposed to not like
Speaker 1: the actors self conscious about their choices, rather than perhaps
Speaker 1: like teaching you to be malleable, to be able to
Speaker 1: make dramatically different choices ever more quickly, like maybe that
Speaker 1: maybe maybe plan B should be the plan. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I like this. And I
Speaker 1: transferred into the journalism school. So I was doing a
Speaker 1: theater minor and I was doing a major in journalism,
Speaker 1: and I was like this it was resonating for me.
Speaker 1: It was telling real stories about real people and their
Speaker 1: real life experiences, and that was where you know, plays,
Speaker 1: television scripts, film scripts and and being a good truthful
Speaker 1: actor met For me, it was in the balance of
Speaker 1: those classes. And I was gearing up for my senior
Speaker 1: year at USC. I was the philanthropy chair, I was
Speaker 1: doing all these things. Everything felt like a big deal,
Speaker 1: very much like Brooke Davis being like, it's my last
Speaker 1: chance to take my team to Nationals. What am I
Speaker 1: gonna do, and I booked and I was supposed to
Speaker 1: test for one trial. I booked this you know, the
Speaker 1: callback happened, and then Joy we saw each other and
Speaker 1: then we're going in for the final test. And I
Speaker 1: knew that if I signed the test deal and I
Speaker 1: booked it, I'd have to move in two weeks. And
Speaker 1: I was like, but it is my senior year in college.
Speaker 1: And I went to see my advisor in USC Annenberg
Speaker 1: School of Journalism, Annie Matine. Shout out to Annie, sweet Annie,
Speaker 1: this like lovely woman who had never heard raise her
Speaker 1: voice or swear at anyone. When I explained to her
Speaker 1: the conundrum I was having of like, this is my
Speaker 1: one senior year in college of my life. Looked at
Speaker 1: me and went, are you out of your mind? And
Speaker 1: I was like what? And she just said, you you've
Speaker 1: been working for years for this. You can always come
Speaker 1: back to college. You will not always get this opportunity.
Speaker 1: So go, oh, God bless Annie. We got God bless Annie. Right.
Speaker 1: And so I thought to myself, much like you did.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what these shows about high school?
Speaker 1: How long could they last to? Maybe four years? I'll go,
Speaker 1: I'll go, and then I'll go do my senior year
Speaker 1: in college. And then I turned thirty right after we wrapped,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't think I'm ever going back.
Speaker 1: I want to, but because is that they really want to?
Speaker 1: We've only got to go to college of time, let's
Speaker 1: go where we're watching episodes of this show, like eventually
Speaker 1: in a couple of years will run out of One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill episodes. Then do we just go to college together?
Speaker 1: Since we didn't do a podcast? Is there any other answer?
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, drama to go to college. Okay, By
Speaker 1: the way, you guys won't be surprised. But I had
Speaker 1: my favorite professor from the USC in a Berg School
Speaker 1: of Journalism, Professor Christopher smith Uh come on as a
Speaker 1: guest on Work in Progress and I interviewed him about
Speaker 1: you know, what he remembered and how he how he
Speaker 1: teaches kids to analyze the world around them and all
Speaker 1: person and I said, damn. I was like Professor Smith,
Speaker 1: I like, I really I want to come back, like
Speaker 1: we do a specialized final year of study, Like would
Speaker 1: you be my my sponsored professor? And he was like
Speaker 1: absolutely so if you guys want to go to USC,
Speaker 1: we can go. Kim Kardashi and can go to law
Speaker 1: school and pass the bar. Sure z, Yeah we can.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that about she made school accessible again, you know,
Speaker 1: like in your thirties and forties. I love it. I'm
Speaker 1: all for us going to school because I I liked learning.
Speaker 1: I liked that classroom environment. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: what we do feels like the kinds of debates and
Speaker 1: analysis that we were doing just about, like not teen drama,
Speaker 1: like we we used to talk about the Ming Dynasty
Speaker 1: and the way we talk about Tree Hill. Um. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we go to school and I still feel
Speaker 1: the year that our characters felt in this episode. You guys,
Speaker 1: what if we go to school and then we run
Speaker 1: a radio show on campus. Yeah, and then we'll put
Speaker 1: on a benefit show and we'll make Joy Slash Hailey perform.
Speaker 1: We'll be like Frasier when he like started getting punked
Speaker 1: by college kids because he was on the radio at
Speaker 1: the college. You guys didn't see that episode. Never moving
Speaker 1: on to Dan's short tie, Oh my god, Hey, do
Speaker 1: you know why this episode felt so good because it's
Speaker 1: like the first time Dan's failing. Yes, yeah, that's another
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Yeah, And the first year we've
Speaker 1: seen him have a feeling. In many episodes they made
Speaker 1: him and I know we talked about this last week.
Speaker 1: They made him like such a mustache twirler lan. And
Speaker 1: in this episode he is running into who evidence of
Speaker 1: his own failures, evidence of how other people are loved
Speaker 1: in ways he isn't. He's suffering the accountability of his cruelty,
Speaker 1: and it is a relief. We don't want the bad
Speaker 1: guys to win. As I was just gonna say, it's like,
Speaker 1: this is why we watch stories like I've been watching
Speaker 1: the Harry Potter Marathon with Maria, like this is why,
Speaker 1: because we we need to know that the good guys
Speaker 1: come out on top at some point. And you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, and I love it. I love seeing Dan.
Speaker 1: It's not that I love seeing him suffer. I love
Speaker 1: seeing this element of justice happen where the and and
Speaker 1: people living in a space of freedom, like what Karen
Speaker 1: and Keith are doing. It's like, you can't get me down, man,
Speaker 1: no matter what you do to me. You can. You
Speaker 1: can keep trying, but I'm always going to get back up.
Speaker 1: Craig Scheffer standing m v P of this episode. My God,
Speaker 1: the fun he's having when he's in holding at the jail,
Speaker 1: out of here. I didn't do to that guy. Meanwhile
Speaker 1: the crime, I'm like, lawyer, could you just if you
Speaker 1: could start a stop talking, don't don't ever talk to
Speaker 1: the cops. Don't ever talk to the cops. But the
Speaker 1: way he triggers Dan to come in and show who
Speaker 1: he really is, that he has been the violent one
Speaker 1: all these beats, let's leave. Yeah, no reason to bring
Speaker 1: mom into it, Danny. Incredible, But that moment at the
Speaker 1: end to get back to start joy, Greg Cheffer standing
Speaker 1: in the rain looking like an old timey movie star,
Speaker 1: just with like grown up James Dean energy, saying totally
Speaker 1: isn't your life Danny? Oh yeah, I was like, I
Speaker 1: want a movie of this. I want more of this episode.
Speaker 1: I need, I need more of these two. It was gorgeous.
Speaker 1: He looks good in the rain. I think Craig Shepherds
Speaker 1: just always carry around rain above him. Just you know what,
Speaker 1: that opportunity right there where Keith approached Dan's car could
Speaker 1: have been a very catty line. It could have been
Speaker 1: something really snarky. Well he did say, I hope you
Speaker 1: have your pants on? Well he did, But it's not
Speaker 1: your life, Danny, is an admonishment that is gentle and
Speaker 1: sad and kind of cautionary, you know, because for how
Speaker 1: many years did Keith look in on Karen and Lucas
Speaker 1: and Dan say like, it's not your life that was
Speaker 1: that's my kid, that's my ex you know. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Keith could have gone full at all, and
Speaker 1: instead he was really gentle, just like, drive away, this
Speaker 1: is not yours. Um. After Dan has just created such havoc.
Speaker 1: You know what I thought was so wise about it,
Speaker 1: not just the way it was written. There are things
Speaker 1: Craig did in that first scene in the jail he
Speaker 1: goes police, oh, like his choices. And what you're making
Speaker 1: me realize is you talk about the way the scene happened.
Speaker 1: Is Craig made a choice. You could punch someone with
Speaker 1: that or you could like slowly gut them with it.
Speaker 1: And he slowly and gently gutted Dan with that, saying
Speaker 1: I know how much you hate your life. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all your fault. This life is mine and look around you, man,
Speaker 1: like it cuts right to the center because of all
Speaker 1: of us, but especially if a guy like Dan, a narcissist,
Speaker 1: a violent narcissist. Its spending time sitting in his car
Speaker 1: outside of you know this cafe, was sitting and watching
Speaker 1: his Scott is a stalker. Isn't at the high school.
Speaker 1: He's my business either in her kitchen or in her restaurant.
Speaker 1: But it's it's just such an interesting way to watch
Speaker 1: essentially a duel, and and Keith doesn't do some big
Speaker 1: violent sword move. He just gets him right in the
Speaker 1: center of his heart and it's quick and it's like
Speaker 1: it's like Dan never sees it coming. I don't know
Speaker 1: why this became a fencing movie to me all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Yes, I would watch the hell out of
Speaker 1: these two doing more of this. You can, I think
Speaker 1: if you go see Berserker, the movie that they shot
Speaker 1: in South Africa. And then okay, wait when we're all together,
Speaker 1: when we're all together in September and we have a
Speaker 1: summer party, that's what we have to Also, what I
Speaker 1: liked is that Dan makes such a big deal out
Speaker 1: of I have delivered this scout to you, Nathan. I
Speaker 1: have delivered this scout and I've done it out of control,
Speaker 1: and I've done it out of ego, and it's the
Speaker 1: me show Scouts here because of Dan Scott. And then
Speaker 1: in reality, what ends up happening is his brother, the
Speaker 1: kid he shot on for years, and the person who
Speaker 1: he handed the spotlight over to in this game is
Speaker 1: the person that hand delivers the scout to Nathan. It
Speaker 1: comes from a place of love and a place out
Speaker 1: of mutual respect, out of this like ego driven place,
Speaker 1: and Dan just has to stand back and watch it.
Speaker 1: He used to watch Lucas deliver on a silver platter
Speaker 1: the meal that he thought he cooked, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's just white. He coming through with the good parenting
Speaker 1: of refusing to allow Nathan to play, even though he
Speaker 1: knew the scout was there, and even though it was
Speaker 1: those are the moments, as parents were, it's really hard
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. That iPad all the time,
Speaker 1: and we have to say no, that's right. There's moments
Speaker 1: in life when you just have to say no, or
Speaker 1: you just have to like put your foot down and say,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is the consequence for whatever you did
Speaker 1: a B or C. I know it's prom but you're
Speaker 1: grounded because blah blah blah, and I'm sorry, I know
Speaker 1: this really sucks, but you did do this. And but
Speaker 1: but people have to learn that there's consequences for their
Speaker 1: actions in English. Joy, I just gotta see in English.
Speaker 1: I don't know how because this child is like my child,
Speaker 1: you know. Oh, he's so smart. Get to see in English.
Speaker 1: And I say, you have to read books this summer.
Speaker 1: And it's like I've taken away that I've had. He
Speaker 1: has to read a book. He's devastated. He's Nathan Scott
Speaker 1: on that bench. Okay. After we got done taping yesterday,
Speaker 1: I go and I'm sitting at my desk and my
Speaker 1: son comes into my office devastated, blubbering, blubbering because he
Speaker 1: has finished of Mice and Men, the book I assigned
Speaker 1: to him. And it was the most rewarding moment ever
Speaker 1: because he's like, this book is crazy and experiences here
Speaker 1: the joy of watching those Scott brothers. The Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have watched the click happen. It's the class and you
Speaker 1: can't do everything for them. You just have to set
Speaker 1: it up, like here's the parameters. I'm not in control
Speaker 1: of what happens, but here's here's the parameters. And then
Speaker 1: they showed up. They showed up for each other. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's good. You've got to go through the pain before
Speaker 1: you can appreciate the click. Well, I think there's something
Speaker 1: so inspiring to thinking about the ways in which we
Speaker 1: all had to learn to be who we've really truly
Speaker 1: feel like we are, to be a little less afraid,
Speaker 1: to be a little less conformist, you know, a little
Speaker 1: less um blindly trusting of authority even and then too,
Speaker 1: you know, to watch all of our friends kind of
Speaker 1: raising this next generation. I'm the most impressed watching my friends,
Speaker 1: watching what you both are talking about in this moment.
Speaker 1: And and so many of the women in our lives
Speaker 1: be parents when they exemplify Oh no, I can't make
Speaker 1: my kid do anything, and I can't have expectations about
Speaker 1: who they are. What I can give them is rules
Speaker 1: and structure tools to be the best versions of themselves
Speaker 1: as they grow into who they are, because they they're
Speaker 1: their own people. And it's so cool to watch because
Speaker 1: you you see the click over and over again, you
Speaker 1: see it work, and you go, damn, I picked really
Speaker 1: good friends, they're really good parents. You just have to
Speaker 1: do the hard thing. That's that's what's hard, is doing
Speaker 1: the hard thing. But there's always a payoff, you know, well,
Speaker 1: and we see it with Lucas and Karen in this episode,
Speaker 1: which is really nice because you know, she gave him
Speaker 1: the speech last episode about him spending the night at
Speaker 1: Brooks and she's like, look, you're almost eighteen. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be gone next year. I can't can't hover, but I
Speaker 1: really need you to make smart choices, and you've got
Speaker 1: to attempt your heart as well as other stuff. And
Speaker 1: for him in this episode to sit down and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going on a date with Keith. You beautiful. You know,
Speaker 1: like that kind of relationship is it's something you fight
Speaker 1: hard for because it would have been really easy for
Speaker 1: Karen to pawn him off on camps and like you know,
Speaker 1: and and doing the things that we've talked about as parents,
Speaker 1: Like it'd be so easy for me just to hand
Speaker 1: off responsibility to somebody else. Instead, I'm going to have
Speaker 1: those difficult conversations with you, and I'm going to listen
Speaker 1: to you, which is oftentimes the hardest part about parenting.
Speaker 1: The listening. Yeah, just listening and not offering advice unless
Speaker 1: they ask. I mean, sometimes you have to speak up,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of times it's just the listening. Like, wow,
Speaker 1: I mean I have ideas about that. If you ever
Speaker 1: want to hear my opinion, but I'm you know, I
Speaker 1: hear you. I'm sorry you have to go through that.
Speaker 1: That's rough. And then you're like text each other and
Speaker 1: we're like, is this the right thing to do? You're like,
Speaker 1: I actually know the answer and I've been there, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear it because you don't think
Speaker 1: I know anything. And it's me to see a mother's
Speaker 1: son relationship modeled in this like lovely, healthy way is
Speaker 1: it makes me hopeful. Maybe this is why grown ups
Speaker 1: liked our show, because they were like, I guess hope
Speaker 1: this is what would happened. I missed Dev in this episode.
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see some moments of her
Speaker 1: like trying to figure some stuff out too, but I
Speaker 1: know they only had so much time. But that would
Speaker 1: have been what would Dev have been doing in this
Speaker 1: episode if she had been in it, I mean, should
Speaker 1: have been the third wheel on the Karen Keith date.
Speaker 1: That's probably why they kept around, just to keep that tidy,
Speaker 1: because you know, um, maybe she'd have been in therapy,
Speaker 1: she's talking to her own guidance counselor that would have
Speaker 1: been it would be really nice, do you our grown
Speaker 1: ups ever go to therapy, any of the grown ups
Speaker 1: in the show. I'm trying to think that would have
Speaker 1: been a kind of I like that we did this
Speaker 1: as a time capsule episode because it was like the
Speaker 1: time capsule confessional episode, you know, but it would have
Speaker 1: been really fun to do the same thing with like
Speaker 1: the kids in the guidance Counselor's office and all the
Speaker 1: adults in therapy right honestly, Like you know, Jeff went
Speaker 1: and did a rewatch of the Sopranos uh last like
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. I think everybody did um and watching
Speaker 1: that show back as an adult with Tony Soprano in
Speaker 1: the therapist office hit very differently than when that show
Speaker 1: aired when we were eighteen nineteen years old, and it
Speaker 1: was sort of kitchy back then. It was just like
Speaker 1: Lobster goes to therapy, watching this grown man try to
Speaker 1: game his therapist and like work around it and then
Speaker 1: then actually maybe trying to do some real work. It
Speaker 1: was very interesting, and it would have been lovely to
Speaker 1: have that device in our show with Dan Scott having
Speaker 1: an outlet like therapy like Scott and Therapy is a
Speaker 1: whole spinoff friends, ye oh, would not be that man's therapist.
Speaker 1: But how different would everything have been if he had
Speaker 1: had a Lorraine Broco to be like not today? Mr.
Speaker 1: How great was Cheryl in this episode Sherley, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I just she made me so emotional walk it was
Speaker 1: that her choice just to be crying at the table,
Speaker 1: because what was that about scripted? I don't think. I
Speaker 1: think I think Peyton asks her, are you sure you're okay? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So maybe it was. And there's something really lovely about
Speaker 1: the fact that we didn't get into it, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Sometimes we talk stuff today and
Speaker 1: the idea that this grown up is that the dining
Speaker 1: room table cry and a kid is just so in
Speaker 1: her own bubble that she's like, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: if you say you're okay, you're okay. You know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have pushed a grown up when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Well when it played, because she was emotional about being
Speaker 1: proud of you, and it seems like that's genuinely where
Speaker 1: it was mostly coming from. She's so good and I
Speaker 1: think she's so earnest in it, and all the stuff
Speaker 1: she says is just everything I ever want to grown
Speaker 1: up to say to me, And so it's so hard
Speaker 1: to watch because I'm just like, because I know it's
Speaker 1: going to get taken away, and I want it for
Speaker 1: Payton and I want it for myself, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it really is the worst band aid that's
Speaker 1: ever been ripped off professionally to have fairly in our
Speaker 1: orbit and then have her go away because you're just like,
Speaker 1: what why please? No, don't not that one. No. But
Speaker 1: but she's so cool in the episode. You know, Peyton's
Speaker 1: talking to her about her girlfriend's sex life. You know,
Speaker 1: what a cool relationship. I hope that I can talk
Speaker 1: to my daughter in that way where it's like friends
Speaker 1: with benefit you like, you can, Brandon, that's whatever you want.
Speaker 1: But that's just slip around. Yeah, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: really gonna work for you. Yeah. And then she's got
Speaker 1: the where with all to like be like, okay, so
Speaker 1: who are used going on with? And you know what's
Speaker 1: what's kind of interesting is that Peyton gives such a
Speaker 1: vague answer that we don't know if she's talking about
Speaker 1: Jake or she's talking about Lucas, because she says he
Speaker 1: was my friend and there were benefits and now he's
Speaker 1: gone and we don't really know who she's talking about.
Speaker 1: We we assume she's talking about Jake. But in her
Speaker 1: storyline in the first three seasons of Peyton, the person
Speaker 1: who is consistently her friend in tough moments is Lucas. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And so it's again one of these little tiny bread crumbs.
Speaker 1: We had one either in the last episode or two
Speaker 1: episodes ago where Peyton subconscious was like, should Lucas be
Speaker 1: with you and not Brooke? This is another one of
Speaker 1: those bread crumbs where it's like, yeah, I was wondering
Speaker 1: the same thing. I was like, is she talking about
Speaker 1: Jake or is she talking about Lucas? She didn't say
Speaker 1: a name. I didn't heard Jake, but but not like
Speaker 1: like what Ellie's saying, if you can find your best
Speaker 1: friend who is also your lover, isn't that the fairy tale? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's it? Yeah, I mean kind of can Ellie man
Speaker 1: just coming in with the one two? She just knows
Speaker 1: what's up every time, and you know it's interesting too,
Speaker 1: Like there have been so many movies, shows, books made,
Speaker 1: and read and experience that revolve around the idea of
Speaker 1: what you learn before you die, like what what you
Speaker 1: kind of are able to put in perspective when you
Speaker 1: you know, when people find out they have terminal illnesses.
Speaker 1: And Ellie really comes in like that sort of oracle.
Speaker 1: She sees all of it. She's got all the perspective,
Speaker 1: you know. She she's able to kind of zoom in
Speaker 1: and get really sharp in all these lessons. And I
Speaker 1: would love to know from the writers if some of
Speaker 1: that was meant to mirror, you know, the stories we've
Speaker 1: all read about you know, this is what I learned
Speaker 1: being a hospice nurse, this is what I learned having
Speaker 1: terminal cancer, Like we've all read those, right, And I
Speaker 1: really get that kind of energy from her and from
Speaker 1: the way she talks to you, and I think it's
Speaker 1: so beautiful, and I would I would just love to
Speaker 1: know how intentional that was, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: be like Ellie, Like she's so frank. Like I loved
Speaker 1: that cut where it's what were you doing after high school?
Speaker 1: And it cuts to Ellie and she goes drugs because
Speaker 1: I think that there's a way to be a parent
Speaker 1: that is disarming with your kids. Like we live, you know,
Speaker 1: in New York, and we go into the city all
Speaker 1: the time, and obviously We're in Washington Square Park all
Speaker 1: the time, and there's just like drugs everywhere. Everybody's smoking weed,
Speaker 1: everybody's like skateboarding. It's an eyeful for a twelve year
Speaker 1: old boy. And so you know, it's like I want
Speaker 1: to I would like to imagine that I am more
Speaker 1: of an Ellie parent, where I'm just like, what do
Speaker 1: you want to know? Like, let's talk you, Let's be
Speaker 1: real safe about stuff, Let's be smart about stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: I try and do that too. You gotta just level
Speaker 1: with them. Man, they're not dumb, yeah for sure. Well,
Speaker 1: and they're hearing it at school. Yea, better they hear
Speaker 1: it from us the cool damn right. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's so important to disarm some of that for your kids.
Speaker 1: Like I know how effective that was for me. You know,
Speaker 1: my mom talking to me about being in her early
Speaker 1: twenties in Manhattan and going to Studio fifty four and
Speaker 1: all the stuff she saw. Yeah, Marine does not seem
Speaker 1: like the kind of person that hides much. She's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my we're attired. Is so fun. My
Speaker 1: mom came into my house, you guys a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and I was like I'm thirsty and opened
Speaker 1: the fridge and grabbed a can. And I don't even
Speaker 1: know where these came from. Jenny. Y'all know Jenny and
Speaker 1: one of my best friends. Probably many of you listening
Speaker 1: at home, No, Jenny, and Jenny loves a can, so
Speaker 1: I think we just have them here. But it's like that,
Speaker 1: like C A A, and I think they're like a
Speaker 1: they're like a weed soda and I think them like
Speaker 1: a pr office and they're just here. I've never had
Speaker 1: one that's not particularly want to be a sponsor on
Speaker 1: drama queens. I mean, we'll take it. And my mom
Speaker 1: my mom grabs a kid and I go, oh my god, mom, Mom, Mo,
Speaker 1: mo mom. And she's like what she's like opening it
Speaker 1: and I go, there's weed in that. That's not like
Speaker 1: a it's not just a ginger whatever. And she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's two milligrams. It looks at me like I'm a loser.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I mean, okay, enjoy it.
Speaker 1: And she was like, you need to relax. You should
Speaker 1: drink one of these. And I was like, okay, okay, lady,
Speaker 1: we're calling me up tight. But what I was say
Speaker 1: is like I think back you know, it's funny for
Speaker 1: me now at our age, I think back to being
Speaker 1: young and my parents, because of their own experiences and
Speaker 1: their experiences and their family, we're able to really clarify
Speaker 1: some things for me because as a kid, you learn like,
Speaker 1: dare drugs are bad, you know, and what the adults
Speaker 1: do is good. And my parents were like, listen, some
Speaker 1: drugs are legal and some are. Yeah, we were in
Speaker 1: high school. Marijuana wasn't legal. Granted it was everywhere, but
Speaker 1: my parents were like, look, there's really no difference between
Speaker 1: marijuana and tobacco. One just made so much money for
Speaker 1: corporations that they were able to make the other one illegal.
Speaker 1: They'll both fuck you up and there and only one
Speaker 1: is addictive and we'll give you cancer. You make your decisions,
Speaker 1: you know. Some some people labor and I'm not, by
Speaker 1: the way out here saying like everybody should try every
Speaker 1: drug because there's no difference there. There obviously are, But
Speaker 1: my parents were like, listen, that's right, all in cats.
Speaker 1: But you know, my my dad's dad and I can
Speaker 1: say this because you know, both my dad's parents were
Speaker 1: no longer with us, but my dad's dad was an alcoholic,
Speaker 1: and my parents were very clear, like, listen, everybody drinks
Speaker 1: because it's legal. Alcohol is also a drug. Like they
Speaker 1: gave me very clear perspectives on being careful in all
Speaker 1: sorts of arenas and respecting how I felt under any
Speaker 1: version of influence I might want to try at any time.
Speaker 1: As I grew up, you know, just because when thing
Speaker 1: is legal doesn't mean it won't put you in a
Speaker 1: dangerous situation. Figure out how you feel. And that was
Speaker 1: more illuminating for me thinking back, like at Gus's age,
Speaker 1: than anything else, because it gave me agency two understand
Speaker 1: that I could observe things as they are, not just
Speaker 1: as someone told me they were, not just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fine to chug beers all weekend because everybody in
Speaker 1: college is doing it. I was like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: love a good beer as much as the next person,
Speaker 1: But like the people doing keg stands and beer box
Speaker 1: gets so drunk they throw up on themselves and that's embarrassing,
Speaker 1: you know. Like that's the thing about freedom. You can't
Speaker 1: just there. There's no such thing as just do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. But we have conflicting desires at all times.
Speaker 1: You want to go party and get drunk and get high,
Speaker 1: The freedom you're giving up is the freedom to think
Speaker 1: clearly and have a more you know, organized life, being
Speaker 1: able to function on a high level. If you're going
Speaker 1: to live this other way, so you want that freedom,
Speaker 1: you're giving up this freedom. If you want the freedom
Speaker 1: to be able to do, you know, live a life
Speaker 1: where you're um coherent, you're working on yourself, you're constantly
Speaker 1: um functioning on a level that is uh beneficial, then
Speaker 1: you have to give up the freedom to go live
Speaker 1: a life where you're constantly filling yourself up with things
Speaker 1: like drug and alcohol, drugs and alcohol. Um. And that's
Speaker 1: something that was never I mean, I was always a
Speaker 1: pretty good kid and I didn't do well. I hate
Speaker 1: that term good kid. Um. I was. I was a
Speaker 1: pretty safe kid, um in terms of until that drugs
Speaker 1: pain came along. Don't get me started, you know. But
Speaker 1: but but yeah, nobody ever really talked to me about
Speaker 1: that idea of like, we'll think about what you're giving
Speaker 1: up on either end. You're going to make your decisions,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, so if you know you're gonna make
Speaker 1: your decisions, but just think about what you're giving up
Speaker 1: on either side. There's no such thing as just total
Speaker 1: freedom doesn't exist well. And I think something's interesting about
Speaker 1: what you're saying is we get stuck in this false
Speaker 1: binary a lot. And you know, Joy, I've heard you
Speaker 1: say like, I wish I was I wish I gave
Speaker 1: myself permission to be more wild when we were in
Speaker 1: our twenties, and I meanwhile, I mean, sister Hillary was like, well,
Speaker 1: I probably could have sobered up a little. If we
Speaker 1: met in the middle, we would have been unstoppable. But
Speaker 1: that's it, you guys. What I'm saying here is I
Speaker 1: think if we're more honest with each other, with our kids,
Speaker 1: if our parents had had the language that you know
Speaker 1: now that we're in this amazing era of mental health
Speaker 1: awareness that we have, like there could have been a
Speaker 1: little more grace for the flexible. Yeah, you're not, there's
Speaker 1: no what's a good kid? Great exactly, But if you
Speaker 1: want to experiment, can you do that safely? You will
Speaker 1: make mistakes that you'll wish you could take back, and
Speaker 1: you'll do some things that adults in the room might
Speaker 1: tell you, we're a mistake that will be your favorite
Speaker 1: memories of your life. Like let's make calculated risks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: calculated risk like because let me tell you what. And
Speaker 1: for our friends at home, we're pros that calculated risk.
Speaker 1: Now we're more fun than we've ever been. I love us.
Speaker 1: I love us so much more now than I did
Speaker 1: when we were twenty two, and I loved us a
Speaker 1: lot then. Yes, devoid of parenting. Um to have this,
Speaker 1: you know, guest actress who's doing this arc come in
Speaker 1: and like, bomb after bomb after bomb is just like listen,
Speaker 1: if you're going to fool around with a boy, awesome,
Speaker 1: make sure it's worth it. Hey, if you're going to
Speaker 1: do drugs, I did drugs. I'm here, I'm a functional person.
Speaker 1: You could do better than that. You know, that earnestness
Speaker 1: and that honesty. I was just so hungry for it,
Speaker 1: and I hope we continue to get more of it
Speaker 1: because I know, like other parents come in, like Daphne
Speaker 1: comes in eventually, joy, your mom comes back after I leave.
Speaker 1: You know, like we get it, but like you know,
Speaker 1: we would only get it in little, tiny doses. We
Speaker 1: did get some parenting in this episode, though, and that
Speaker 1: I loved that. We saw Karen talking with Lucas, we
Speaker 1: saw the Elle moment, We saw Whitey doing the right
Speaker 1: thing for his for his boys, his team, um and
Speaker 1: whiskey glass and put it in the drawer and closed
Speaker 1: the drawer. When did that happen? Nathan goes into Whitey's
Speaker 1: office after the aim and it's like, I know you
Speaker 1: had to do that, you know, Like, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about scouts. Whitey has, you know,
Speaker 1: a hard earned glass of whiskey sitting on his desk,
Speaker 1: and rather than leave it there, which is inappropriate, he
Speaker 1: takes it and puts it in his desk drawer and
Speaker 1: just slowly closes the drawer like the child have been
Speaker 1: looking away. Child has already seen the glass. The child
Speaker 1: knows what is happening, and he's just like, this is
Speaker 1: a formality. You never saw anything. You gave no attention. No,
Speaker 1: that's great. I need some whiskey. How's your how's your
Speaker 1: whiskey line? Going home? Dude? We I have so tomorrow
Speaker 1: I'm going to an event at the Beakman Boys estate
Speaker 1: because they're the Beakman Boys. Um. Beakman Boys are a
Speaker 1: couple um that moved up here to the Hudson Valley
Speaker 1: years and years and years ago. They bought a goat farm.
Speaker 1: They completely employed their whole town with a line of
Speaker 1: like Goat soap and like all these like fabulous boutique products.
Speaker 1: And if anyone exemplifies UM caring for their community and
Speaker 1: building opportunities for small towns and rural areas, it's them.
Speaker 1: And so I read their book before we bought our
Speaker 1: farm and they were like my heroes. So tomorrow they're
Speaker 1: doing this event at their estate and they're using m
Speaker 1: F Libations as like their cocktail at the dinner, and
Speaker 1: it's so nice. I can't wait to go. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play with baby goats and it's gonna be drinking. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I am going to a friend's house to have some
Speaker 1: drinks tonight, and I'm bringing a bottle of wine that
Speaker 1: came to me from Drink Good Wine and very excited
Speaker 1: about this. I've got a case of six I've been
Speaker 1: drinking the white. One of the whites is in my
Speaker 1: freezer right or sorry, my fridge right now, Grant has
Speaker 1: I don't really drink wine. White wine are like crazy.
Speaker 1: The oranges are insane. I'm saving them. Actually, that's what
Speaker 1: I'll bring them I'll bring tonight is an orange wine. Okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm excited about both of your family like
Speaker 1: our companies and just wanted to suck you guys fun. Um,
Speaker 1: we have some listener questions. Alex wants to know. I
Speaker 1: noticed there's a wedding nearly every season. Was that intentional?
Speaker 1: That's hysterical? Wasn't intentional by the writers. Somebody in the
Speaker 1: art department was probably sleeping with a local florist. They're like,
Speaker 1: so when I was on the Earth Carolina Film Commission,
Speaker 1: that was one of the like how many small businesses
Speaker 1: benefit from film in a place like Wilmington's, you know,
Speaker 1: and when you look at like the catering we do
Speaker 1: for dinners and food many and things like weddings and
Speaker 1: funerals on our TV show would blow up a florists
Speaker 1: yearly income. Do you guys remember speaking of what those
Speaker 1: those film mission research pieces. I remember after our show wrapped. Um,
Speaker 1: and you know, again, guys, we were just like a
Speaker 1: family show. We weren't doing you know, crazy stunts and
Speaker 1: blowing things up, I mean very often, but you know,
Speaker 1: the just the amount of investment. They talked about, how
Speaker 1: not money spent insularly on our show, like within the studio,
Speaker 1: you know, per episode, but money that filtered from our
Speaker 1: show filming in Wilmington's out into the city and state.
Speaker 1: In nine seasons, our show generated two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: six million dollars investment into North Carolina hotels awesome, like
Speaker 1: hotel rooms rented to Hillary's point, you know, catering for
Speaker 1: second meal that came from the Chinese restaurant or from
Speaker 1: the books on Front Street, like the you know, if
Speaker 1: we were shooting a wedding that was eight days and
Speaker 1: eight days, we needed forty six flower arrangement day wedding.
Speaker 1: And it's not just like a four hour wedding or
Speaker 1: like a six hour wedding. It's like a fifteen to
Speaker 1: seventeen our wedding. And I think that's a that's part
Speaker 1: of the story that gets lost there. There's this real
Speaker 1: weird narrative that's been pushed about Hollywood and film and TV.
Speaker 1: And it makes me laugh because I'm like, first of all,
Speaker 1: nobody works in Hollywood all over the country from Jersey.
Speaker 1: We're all from Jersey, but we um biography by the way,
Speaker 1: Joy can't wait. But there's like, there really is this
Speaker 1: incredible thing anywhere that a that a show or a
Speaker 1: film pops up. You create a community, and you also
Speaker 1: boost a community. And so it's funny, you know. I
Speaker 1: like when people are like, why do you TV people
Speaker 1: care so much about healthcare, I'm like, because we all
Speaker 1: have health care because we're in a union, you know,
Speaker 1: like we want other people to be able to be
Speaker 1: in unions and like go to the doctor for like
Speaker 1: not a million dollars a year. That's a and I
Speaker 1: and I think it's I get really proud when we
Speaker 1: get to talk about the way that our storytelling has
Speaker 1: been able to stand up in communities like Wilmington's and
Speaker 1: in states, you know, like our former home state, and
Speaker 1: we get to, you know, we get to support all
Speaker 1: these cool small businesses and the clothing stores. So that
Speaker 1: was our favorite wedding though of all the weddings, Oh,
Speaker 1: of all the weddings, what was our favorite wedding? I
Speaker 1: really had fun at Nathan and Haley's wedding where the
Speaker 1: car goes off the bridge, because it was just so
Speaker 1: much to do, and um, it was in such a beauty.
Speaker 1: We were shooting on this gorgeous property and it was
Speaker 1: like old and historic and there were so many I
Speaker 1: don't know, everybody was there and it was a big
Speaker 1: party and everything was in a different location, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't all in one room. So we were moving from
Speaker 1: like places on the property to different places. And and
Speaker 1: then there's like a car going off literally went off
Speaker 1: the edge, and we had Michael Trucko with us, and
Speaker 1: there's like guys in the water trying to shoot the alligators.
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on. I liked that wedding
Speaker 1: those but that was that was the one. Have I
Speaker 1: told the story yet about when I was I couldn't
Speaker 1: get there because my flight. I missed my flight and
Speaker 1: we had to shoot that day. We had a helicopter
Speaker 1: set up for that for that day, Like there were
Speaker 1: shots from a helicopter. There were like guys set up
Speaker 1: in the water. It was a huge, huge, huge day.
Speaker 1: And I was flying back from wherever I was, probably
Speaker 1: l A or Washington or something, and um, I was
Speaker 1: sitting in the Atlanta airport and I had my headphones
Speaker 1: on and they changed the gate and I didn't hear it,
Speaker 1: and I missed the flight and it was the last
Speaker 1: flight out and I had to be there. I had
Speaker 1: to be there at like six thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: So I literally this is this is some real bougie guys.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff that actors do at
Speaker 1: the last minute because we're so scrambly, because because you
Speaker 1: don't want to get fired and you don't want to
Speaker 1: make everybody wait, like a crew of two hundred people
Speaker 1: wait for you know, an extra six hours. Like it's
Speaker 1: it was bad. It was like the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: And I went down to like budget rent a car,
Speaker 1: and I said, because I knew I had to sleep
Speaker 1: because I had to work the whole next day and
Speaker 1: I had it was like my wedding day and it
Speaker 1: was craziness and I had to sleep. So I found
Speaker 1: this woman that looked trustworthy, and I said, I will
Speaker 1: pay you a thousand dollars to drive me to Wilmington,
Speaker 1: North Carolina tonight, and she did. She was not even
Speaker 1: a car service, just the lad because it just was
Speaker 1: no time. There was no time to like find a
Speaker 1: car was back then, that's right, that's right. Everybody was closed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, I was twenty one, I
Speaker 1: mean whatever. So she was like, this is really weird,
Speaker 1: but I kind of trust you, and um, I also
Speaker 1: like I've seen your show, so I know you're not crazy.
Speaker 1: Let me get my boyfriend and you know, so that
Speaker 1: I'm not alone in the car with you strange ladies,
Speaker 1: and they drove me to will join does Banasa? Guys,
Speaker 1: how do we find this woman? We have to find
Speaker 1: the podcast. Okay, yeah we do. That would be amazing
Speaker 1: if we has heard their friend tell this story, Like,
Speaker 1: have I never told you? That's the time I had
Speaker 1: to drive joy less? You know, um, somebody I slept
Speaker 1: in the backseat. I woke up in Wilmington's. I mean
Speaker 1: I just kind of I tried to sleep. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like a little scary three iPhones. We were so resourceful,
Speaker 1: Like damn, that's so there's no excuse when like an
Speaker 1: assistant that I hire can't figure something out like they
Speaker 1: do how to, Like I can't. I can't. I just can't. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like this. Oh man, I can't wait to find
Speaker 1: this woman. I love this wedding so much more juicy
Speaker 1: because I know how hard you worked for it. You
Speaker 1: know you had to be there. We need to know her. Yeah, yeah, please,
Speaker 1: if you're out there, call us, text us. Let's spend
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, I don't know how you top that.
Speaker 1: Joey can't. We're done. I'm just gonna pay these two
Speaker 1: people most likely to get kidnapped is Bethany Joy. Let's
Speaker 1: get in the back seat of your car, Please don't
Speaker 1: kill me. Most likely to the it's great. Most likely
Speaker 1: the crash of wedding is going to be that woman
Speaker 1: who drove me from Atlanta to North Carolina. She's like,
Speaker 1: what are you guys filming today? Come? Wait? Why are
Speaker 1: you pointing to yourself? So I've done it um years ago?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, years and years ago. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I wonder if we were still in Wilmington's or maybe
Speaker 1: if it was the first year after we wrapped. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I was in Philadelphia. I was there
Speaker 1: to speak to the Girl Scouts. I gave a talk
Speaker 1: to like hundred young girls on you know, activism and
Speaker 1: community service, sweet little angels. It must have been right
Speaker 1: after we wrapped our show, and I was with my
Speaker 1: friend Erica, who is like a crafting maven, and she
Speaker 1: had also come to the Girl Scouts conference and took
Speaker 1: them through crafts. We had the time of our lives
Speaker 1: with all these little kids. It was like being camp
Speaker 1: counselors again. And all I wanted was a cheese steak.
Speaker 1: We were in Philadelphia. I was like, there is the
Speaker 1: iconic spot. I gotta go. And there was like a
Speaker 1: dinner plan that because we had a bunch of friends
Speaker 1: in town, and I was like, I gotta take a detour.
Speaker 1: I gotta get cheese take on the way to dinner.
Speaker 1: I know that's ridiculous, but I'm doing it. And Erica
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, come with you. And so we had
Speaker 1: to walk from this diner to this other restaurant we
Speaker 1: were going to, and there was this party that just
Speaker 1: looked so fun, and she was like, look at those lights.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to get a close up
Speaker 1: look at those. You know, she's thinking like I could
Speaker 1: build those. And we walk over and somebody kind of
Speaker 1: gives us this weird look and and and I don't know,
Speaker 1: let's say, I'm gonna use y'all's names for fun, like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you here for Hillary and Joy? And we were
Speaker 1: like yeah. She's got her phone out and she's like
Speaker 1: looking at you know, she's trying to like sneak a
Speaker 1: picture of these cool lights that are changing colors. And
Speaker 1: she's like, let's just speak inside for one minute. And
Speaker 1: we go in and we realize we're at a wedding,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Erica we have to go. And she's like,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. We're here. We made it in. That guy
Speaker 1: at the door's police security. Thank god, we're dressed up.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I feel very uncomfortable, and she
Speaker 1: was like, you are not. I am a calculated risk taker.
Speaker 1: This was not a calculated risk. This was an immediate risk.
Speaker 1: Also not to like, you know, say this thing that's gross,
Speaker 1: but like we've been on TV for a long time.
Speaker 1: We're not exactly inconspicuous. And I'm like Erica, and she goes,
Speaker 1: this will be good for you. Come on, we would
Speaker 1: like start walking in. She's she's amazing. And we walk
Speaker 1: in and like someone comes around with champagne. She's like,
Speaker 1: get a champagne. She's like, give me five minutes and
Speaker 1: if you're having a miserable time, we'll leave. And either
Speaker 1: way we'll leave intent. And I go, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm like taking a deep breath, no sw I'm like,
Speaker 1: my hands are so clammy telling you this story. Four
Speaker 1: minutes into this Philadelphia wedding, which by the way, ruled,
Speaker 1: wish I'd gotten the name of the band and they
Speaker 1: were amazing. Um, this guy with a camera comes over
Speaker 1: and goes want to record a video for the bride
Speaker 1: and groom, and Erica looks at me like literally gives
Speaker 1: me the ideare you face? And I downed my champagne
Speaker 1: and went, we sure do a video message together for
Speaker 1: this couple we've never met, probably complimenting their lighting scheme,
Speaker 1: and then we went to dinner. This is genius. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it's so good. I love the impulsiveness. I
Speaker 1: love If you're the person whose wedding I crashed in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: please send us the video. Guys, we have so many
Speaker 1: time projects for the fan base. This week you have
Speaker 1: to find Joyce Driver and Sophia's bride and groom. This
Speaker 1: also shout out to our detectives. Have you guys seen
Speaker 1: the tweets about Tyler, Elvis and Chris Isaac? Wait what,
Speaker 1: oh joy I'm gonna send him to I have not
Speaker 1: been on social media and so long I saved the tweets.
Speaker 1: People put Chris Isaac and Elvis in one of those
Speaker 1: face melder things and the man that comes out is
Speaker 1: Tyler Hilton with black hats. Une send me these psh
Speaker 1: there are we love y'all? Yeah, thank you. I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of all their hard work so much easier
Speaker 1: on it. It's incredible. You guys, you are the best. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So next week we have episode thirteen, The Wind that
Speaker 1: Blew My Heart Away. Our contest winner Amanda told us
Speaker 1: that this was going to be the episode that made
Speaker 1: us really happy. She didn't you know. She was like,
Speaker 1: wait to get the thirteen. That's when you get your
Speaker 1: show back. But I really feel like twelve was a
Speaker 1: strong Maybe she just had the numbers off. This is
Speaker 1: a good one. I was really into this one. Baby
Speaker 1: baby size jim Um. All right, ladies, I love you
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