Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: so many things. There's a lot happening in the world. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's been a very busy start of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which usually it's like slow, but it's right hit the
Speaker 1: ground running. I'm really glad you said it, because I
Speaker 1: feel really behind with what everything like. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: keep thinking we're in February because that's how it feels,
Speaker 1: the calendar and all the dates and the flights and
Speaker 1: all the things. I mean, we just had to take
Speaker 1: twenty minutes before this to just like look at our
Speaker 1: calendars and schedules and figure out how to make it
Speaker 1: all work. But I'm really proud of us because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of moving pieces. With all three of us,
Speaker 1: there is. I mean, you've got, you know, kids, but
Speaker 1: you feel busier than when it's different. Yeah, nighttime. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you're like I take that back. You are going, you're
Speaker 1: driving your kids from here to tim Buck two. I'm
Speaker 1: an uber driver. It's fine. You're also a cheer mom,
Speaker 1: which I just got to tell your hats because I
Speaker 1: watched your story. Yeah, Cat, we were talking about your
Speaker 1: schedules earlier, so maybe feel like those schedules aren't my schedule,
Speaker 1: that's my husband's schedule, and I'm just trying to keep
Speaker 1: my family unit together fair right anyway. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just because it's like when I sometimes when I
Speaker 1: hear your you know, nighttime with I'm like, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: honestly to myself, I'm like, man, how is that going
Speaker 1: to work as a co parent situation too? With all
Speaker 1: the different activities And i mean even right now, it's
Speaker 1: hard because I'm like, all right, on the same day,
Speaker 1: there's soccer and baseballs and dance, and I ended up
Speaker 1: having to We're we're cutting dance, are you? I am
Speaker 1: hanging up the ballet shoes for just because I've seen
Speaker 1: how good she is a basketball and soccer and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe she's just the sport and basketball
Speaker 1: and for her age, she's the only girl on the team.
Speaker 1: I love that, yeah, really, And she was so scared
Speaker 1: to go and I'm like, baby girl, because what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do is I'm trying to do things too
Speaker 1: that have this same day and the same time with
Speaker 1: both kids. That way, it's like not running around because
Speaker 1: it's hard, right, So not having like the other parents
Speaker 1: in the house to help go different places. So, uh
Speaker 1: actually feel this. And I have a husband, but like this,
Speaker 1: when it comes to any of this, it's all me.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, if you guys can't do it at
Speaker 1: the same time, right, we're not doing it. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: haven't even been able to hang up ballet shoes because
Speaker 1: we haven't put on ballet. It's hard, it's yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's different than when we were a little you know
Speaker 1: what's so interesting My mom, man, my mom. I used
Speaker 1: to figure skate and she would drive me almost like
Speaker 1: minutes to this rank morning night. She had a full
Speaker 1: time job. I mean, no complaints, just frozen butt off
Speaker 1: on the stands. But it's like, that's a mom. That's
Speaker 1: what you do. And just like you like you're running
Speaker 1: like the kids. I mean, that's all you do is
Speaker 1: run the kids. That's a lot. I also like camp
Speaker 1: out at like hotels for cheer camps, and I love
Speaker 1: it to get the stress of it and how it
Speaker 1: can and it gets stressful, but I love it. I
Speaker 1: do not know what to do when I have a
Speaker 1: afternoon evening off, I feel like Nick's a great partner
Speaker 1: though with it. Oh, I could not do it without.
Speaker 1: I mean, hear me when I say when we were separated,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, here's how we're going to do
Speaker 1: this this day. It doesn't matter whose day it is.
Speaker 1: You're taking this kid, and I'm taking that kid and
Speaker 1: take an activity to cancel because I can't do it. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: So okay, So Julia's girl back to basketball. So we
Speaker 1: were she was, I mean, she was so nervous, she
Speaker 1: was crying. She didn't want to go to my baby girl.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, we give it. We always
Speaker 1: say two to three tries. After two to three tries,
Speaker 1: if you're still, I'm not going to drag you here,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's that wouldn't be fun for anybody either.
Speaker 1: So she she got if you don't like it, let's
Speaker 1: give it two to three tries, like that's our motto.
Speaker 1: Two three tries. And so with marriages and sports and
Speaker 1: all the things, that's a blanket steak literally three tries
Speaker 1: and after that we hang up our shoes. Can I
Speaker 1: have a fourth? I don't think she wasn't stop. You
Speaker 1: really have nothing on the field with that one. Cramer.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean this soft toss. But I'm real glad
Speaker 1: you caught that one. I really did. I two to
Speaker 1: three tries, and um, I just met with your last
Speaker 1: I met with your last last husband. Not in marriages.
Speaker 1: Well that now how it sounded now it was like
Speaker 1: a slam. I didn't mean it to be a slam
Speaker 1: I made. You wouldn't be you wouldn't be the first,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't be the last to slam me. Whether
Speaker 1: I mean it like that, I mean like you gave
Speaker 1: him two to three tries. No, no, no, like fifteen millions. Okay,
Speaker 1: I liked the other one. That one made more sense,
Speaker 1: the one where I was really awful. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: That made way more sense anyhow, So due to three tries,
Speaker 1: and so she gets there again, it's all boys, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, baby, girl, like you got this,
Speaker 1: you know, like you're so good. They start going in
Speaker 1: a line, you know, a little free throw line. She's
Speaker 1: hitting every single one. I mean, the coach is even like,
Speaker 1: whoa is this? Like she played before? I was like
Speaker 1: not a day in her life, Like I mean I'm
Speaker 1: talking not even like a dribble, not even a practice nothing.
Speaker 1: So she's swish, swish swish, and I'm just like whole
Speaker 1: and Mike. So Mike came to the to the to
Speaker 1: the game or a practice. It's like a practice then
Speaker 1: a game. He walks over and he goes, I think
Speaker 1: she's going to be the athlete in her fad because
Speaker 1: I look over and I see Jay's just rolling, like
Speaker 1: doing like somersaults like the especially for basketball. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but also like Jolie is just I mean when it
Speaker 1: comes to soccer to like Jays will just sit on
Speaker 1: the field, and Jolie's like she's in people's faces. She's
Speaker 1: like goalie. She's I mean, she's like really defensive and
Speaker 1: just like she's a strong, strong person, like a strong player.
Speaker 1: And so but what was I was so angry because
Speaker 1: at basketball, so it's again all boys, right, Jolie was open.
Speaker 1: She kept I go, baby, girls stay open. Oh, but
Speaker 1: she's got her hands out open. Those boys were throwing
Speaker 1: the ball over her to another boy monkey in the middle.
Speaker 1: And so I say, I text Mike and I go,
Speaker 1: are you seeing this because he's on the other because like,
Speaker 1: because I'm watching Jason, we're like and then we switched
Speaker 1: to go the other one. I was like are you
Speaker 1: seeing this? They're they're throwing the ball over her. Can
Speaker 1: you please go talk to the coach to be like,
Speaker 1: pass you could pass it to Jolie. She's open. She's
Speaker 1: saying open. I don't like that. So yeah, that sucks
Speaker 1: over her. Yeah, and it honestly, it gets worse. Like
Speaker 1: if you're the player that like may not be the best, oh,
Speaker 1: they will just not pass it to you. And you
Speaker 1: gotta have good coaching to make about not being the best,
Speaker 1: about her being a girl. Well, and here's the thing too.
Speaker 1: So at the very end, the coach was like, good
Speaker 1: job boys, and I go and girls like, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: all right, if we're gonna do this, So after the
Speaker 1: words was like, hey, well you you talked to coaches,
Speaker 1: you know. If not, I'm going to and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna like because I'm in a mommy bear this and listen,
Speaker 1: I know she's a girl, but she she's she's hitting more,
Speaker 1: she's making more baskets than some of the boys. So
Speaker 1: don't worry, they'll quickly figure out she's the m v
Speaker 1: P everyone. But if not, we are all going to
Speaker 1: be there in our matching shirts. So it's gonna get
Speaker 1: really obvious and awkward bad. But I having said all that,
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I don't know why.
Speaker 1: You know, I was a figure skater not I was
Speaker 1: never I will never call myself a dancer, but I
Speaker 1: just it's not the route. Not a dancer, well, dancing
Speaker 1: with the stars. But you know how it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think for a long time I really wanted her
Speaker 1: to be and having that realization, it's like, she's she's
Speaker 1: not going to be. It was like a little tingent
Speaker 1: like because I go, hey, baby girl, like do you
Speaker 1: like basketball or dance better? And she's like, basketball, Mommy,
Speaker 1: I want to do this so much more. And I
Speaker 1: was like okay. And then it was like a little
Speaker 1: like my mom had that with me. I'm the jolie.
Speaker 1: She was like a cheer girl and all the coordinated things,
Speaker 1: and then there I came just as polish and uncoordinated
Speaker 1: as I could be. Yeah. Well, it's also like one
Speaker 1: of those things too. I'm like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be running around town if I know. That's why I
Speaker 1: pulled her owd gymassics. I'm all right, she she's she's
Speaker 1: not gymnastics wore me out? Yeah, because I remember talking
Speaker 1: to Sean Johnson. I was like, so should I get
Speaker 1: her private training? She can she do a cart wheel?
Speaker 1: And I was like no, She's like she should be yeah,
Speaker 1: she should be done. And I was like, great, like
Speaker 1: tell me this, I'm not going to be the mom
Speaker 1: that's like you have a great voice and then for sure,
Speaker 1: but otherwise, like you don't want to be running around.
Speaker 1: I mean that's where I'm at with Ramsey with cheer.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like are we gonna go anywhere with
Speaker 1: this or not. I'm spending way too much time and
Speaker 1: money for it to be a lot of money. When
Speaker 1: you when you're on your third or fourth activity, it's
Speaker 1: like all right, time to start, time to start cutting.
Speaker 1: And that's where I was like, all right, let's just
Speaker 1: do like the sports. And so now I'm like Jason,
Speaker 1: what I know he's going to do baseball with Leudgie. Yeah. No, no,
Speaker 1: he's gonna do yeah, he's baseball's soccer anyways, or we
Speaker 1: got totally off topic. But with the schedules and stuff,
Speaker 1: so we were going to New York in Boston. Uh,
Speaker 1: we've got you're going out with your your hubby, making
Speaker 1: some time with him, I'm trying this year. His schedule
Speaker 1: is crazy, he's touring a lot, and he's got a
Speaker 1: new song coming up. He does Oh can we please
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Speaker 1: now and help our kids go to college. Alright, So
Speaker 1: today's episode is all about hot topics. There's some really
Speaker 1: good ones, you know what. I need this show because
Speaker 1: I feel like I live under a rock. The hot
Speaker 1: topics come in from our young little sweet things and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, who's doing what? Like I feel in
Speaker 1: my hundred no, because I didn't really know either. Until
Speaker 1: I didn't really know that I did see one that
Speaker 1: I really am interested to talk about. Um. The only
Speaker 1: thing that I remember seeing that came up was about
Speaker 1: the Boy Meets World because I was always like, oh, boy,
Speaker 1: Mean's World because that was just so our generation watching that,
Speaker 1: and then I read it, I I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: so let's get into that when we come back from
Speaker 1: a break. All right, So do you guys know the
Speaker 1: whole uh Sean Penn, Robin right, Yes, I love them.
Speaker 1: I love both of them. I love both of them,
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, So um, it says Sean Penn and
Speaker 1: Robin right together for the first time in years at
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Airport. They were spending time together. Over
Speaker 1: the weekend, the Axes were spotted together at Los Angeles
Speaker 1: International Airport as they carried their bags up an escalator.
Speaker 1: The actors have both recently ended relationships. Uh. Penn filed
Speaker 1: his divorce from Ulilah in right filed for divorce and
Speaker 1: also two uh they were married from and they have
Speaker 1: a son twenty nine and a daughter thirty one. So
Speaker 1: what do you guys think? Do you think they're back
Speaker 1: together or just like doing a casual Oh yeah, because
Speaker 1: this is a cat move, this whole escalator. Do they
Speaker 1: got divorced in so it's been years. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you see the photos. I don't know. Well, they
Speaker 1: weren't even really like, yes, they were together. They were
Speaker 1: coming up an escalator and she's kind of way behind
Speaker 1: him with the bag. Like it wasn't like they were
Speaker 1: all cozy. So I don't know if they just ran
Speaker 1: into each other. They probably maybe they were going somewhere
Speaker 1: with their kids. Well, but I was reading an article
Speaker 1: about that and they um he had said that they
Speaker 1: had very separate relationships with their kids because part of
Speaker 1: the reason they broke up was they had different stances
Speaker 1: on how to parent adult children, which I found very interesting.
Speaker 1: So and I'm like, because that was my thought too.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were going and maybe they were, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like they have very separate relationships. Feel like, a wait,
Speaker 1: a reason. Maybe it wasn't the full reason, it was
Speaker 1: just something that he mentioned. I'm like, if you've made
Speaker 1: it that far now, like adults, the difference between adults,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like one parent really wanted to still
Speaker 1: parent even though they were older, and one parent was like,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to guess him, but that's just a guess.
Speaker 1: They're old enough. Let them make their own decisions. What
Speaker 1: do you think is old enough to make? Because I
Speaker 1: think your parent for the rest of your life. Now,
Speaker 1: I think there's a point where you have to kind
Speaker 1: of let go a little bit. Yeah, that's hard. I
Speaker 1: don't know one that will ever be for me. I
Speaker 1: don't you have to let them. I mean, I even
Speaker 1: think before they're adults, you have to let them make
Speaker 1: some decisions. And sometimes they're gonna, you know, sometimes they're
Speaker 1: gonna fall, and sometimes they're gonna make wrong decisions. But
Speaker 1: that would be hard. I mean, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: It is interesting when you think about how people parent differently, right,
Speaker 1: because if someone were to come in, because I knew,
Speaker 1: I mean there was that was one thing like Max
Speaker 1: and I we we parent very similar, um same page.
Speaker 1: But if someone was to come in, let's say, my
Speaker 1: boyfriend and I continue down the road on the path.
Speaker 1: I love it when we dropped the bee where we
Speaker 1: go down that path and it's you know, he's around
Speaker 1: the kids, and what if I don't like the way hear?
Speaker 1: That's that's a thing. I mean, that's definitely a step
Speaker 1: parent coming in. Yeah yet, Enny and Georgia, No, Netflix,
Speaker 1: I need to watch that. He's asking me to watch
Speaker 1: it and george table it. But that's in that it's
Speaker 1: in that Netflix series with it about like why she's
Speaker 1: a little more free reigin I'm a best friend kind
Speaker 1: of parent. And then the step dad mayor comes in
Speaker 1: and it's like this is how it should be and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Well, so he's been we have talked
Speaker 1: about it because he has been in that situation before
Speaker 1: where he had to up in as a uh stepdad.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that's true. So for a while. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean since yeah, I mean because he has two kids,
Speaker 1: so um and one of which is from a step
Speaker 1: parents situation. So he's like, and I told him this
Speaker 1: the other day too. I'm like, obviously, like our world
Speaker 1: like whenever I come to see you, it's like the
Speaker 1: bubble like we talked about. But when you are, you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm ready for you to meet the kids and
Speaker 1: where we have it, CON's like it's a different thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, I've He's like, I've already stepped into it.
Speaker 1: I know, and I wanted to I know what I
Speaker 1: said up for what I want to take us to
Speaker 1: a different hot topic because Amalist didn't even I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's allowed. Well, can we just say what
Speaker 1: the X? I think if they were awesome, I think
Speaker 1: sometimes it's all about timing, and I just wonder how
Speaker 1: accurate it is. Where did they just catch the same
Speaker 1: like where they just happened to be at the same
Speaker 1: airport at the same time. The photos to me didn't
Speaker 1: scream oh they're back together. But also I think that
Speaker 1: there's a familiarity. However, you say that word two, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a twenty year relationship. They weren't married that long,
Speaker 1: but it was like an almost twenty year relationship that
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't be surprised if they're both getting divorced
Speaker 1: and they have spent some time together. Maybe there's just
Speaker 1: something familiar. Maybe they are a question and I think
Speaker 1: there's something sorry to be said about, Like I think
Speaker 1: it's okay to get back together after some time has
Speaker 1: passed and people have grown. Like I know, I could
Speaker 1: never do that with a certain someone, but like some
Speaker 1: I could. Honestly, I would be like, you know what
Speaker 1: I was gonna be my question? Are you a girl?
Speaker 1: This goes to both of you because I have a
Speaker 1: friend who is late forties and she and a guy
Speaker 1: friend just keep reconnecting. Because she's like, I would just
Speaker 1: rather know what I know and just catch up with
Speaker 1: him when I catch up with him catch up in
Speaker 1: air quotes, she was like, I'd rather catch up with
Speaker 1: the same person than go try to catch up with
Speaker 1: someone new and learned someone new. I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: So are you a person that would repeat the roster
Speaker 1: or are you someone that's unafraid to do new territory
Speaker 1: if you had the choice, Because I always, even in
Speaker 1: dating younger, was always a repeat roster. I would say
Speaker 1: that I would repeat roster to see if anything has
Speaker 1: changed or if there was a spark, so like there
Speaker 1: had been. There were two guys that I saw during
Speaker 1: hot Grow summer that I had seen back in my twenties.
Speaker 1: That's correct. I forgot about that, and yeah, one was
Speaker 1: yeah they're both yeah, and so yeah, I was like
Speaker 1: I was seven or whatever and both of them around
Speaker 1: that at that time, and so yeah, but either neither
Speaker 1: one of them there was like the spark really wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't continue just because I had been
Speaker 1: there done. That wasn't a letdown. Did you kind of
Speaker 1: go like, man, I wish it felt like it did
Speaker 1: when I was in my twenties. Uh no, because it
Speaker 1: was kind of affirm because I always kind of wondered, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wondered if if I was in a different place
Speaker 1: in my life, which I am now, and if we
Speaker 1: could make it work, and I think it and I
Speaker 1: maybe kind of had thought from time to time about
Speaker 1: wondering possibility and it was like Nope, good done, possibility
Speaker 1: gone out the window. Okay, cat repeat for sure? Yeah obviously,
Speaker 1: but I and I mean no, I had a similar
Speaker 1: situation with an ex boyfriend always wondered, went back and
Speaker 1: very quickly was like that, very quick like, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: nothing's here. Great. We were meant to be friends. See
Speaker 1: you later. Yeah, And I'm still friends with both of
Speaker 1: those guys, because it's like there was no bad blood
Speaker 1: on either side. I think it was just if if
Speaker 1: someone's not going to can on both sides, don't want
Speaker 1: to put in the effort or whatever too on top
Speaker 1: of it, and the like feelings. It sound like all right,
Speaker 1: move along, move on, okay, but all right, repeat I
Speaker 1: was a repeat her. Keep those numbers low and keep
Speaker 1: those frequent shoppers happy. So what do you want to
Speaker 1: say about the bubble? For totop? I think Kat and
Speaker 1: I would like to talk about the bubble is a
Speaker 1: hot topic. Okay. I love that you just threw me in.
Speaker 1: There's well, I didn't actually I didn't even know I
Speaker 1: was going to mention it. But you said you mentioned
Speaker 1: that you and boyfriend I do are in the bubble,
Speaker 1: and recently you were ready to pop the bubble and
Speaker 1: go public. Oh we going here. She's mad at me
Speaker 1: for calling the other one out. I just want to
Speaker 1: talk about the bubble bursting, because would you like to
Speaker 1: talk about my text message that I sent y'all, uh huh,
Speaker 1: Janna doesn't just send it to this is what the
Speaker 1: people want to know. Greamer shots one day just so
Speaker 1: I can go on record. We got to be careful
Speaker 1: sometimes I text stuff to you guys, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, because Screamer will go rogue and she'll screenshot
Speaker 1: something and just tag in it and not even like,
Speaker 1: hey can I pose this? And I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: wanted to screenshot it something she can bury us, So
Speaker 1: to be careful. There's a lot s h idea in there.
Speaker 1: So so Creamer sends. She doesn't even send like hey,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think? She sends us this full
Speaker 1: full movie trailer, Oh yes to song, start to picture
Speaker 1: montage of her and boyfriend, and she's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to Instagram with it right now. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: get and I'm like, okay, whoa, whoa whoa, Like no,
Speaker 1: wait a second. The same where we talked to she
Speaker 1: posted that yes, well I have even more strong and
Speaker 1: I was like nope, no, no, And I keep going
Speaker 1: Protect Scotland. That's my my slogan for all of this,
Speaker 1: because he is Scottish and I just really feel very
Speaker 1: passionate about him as a human and I wanted him protected.
Speaker 1: She's like, I think I just go in. I could tell.
Speaker 1: I could tell she's getting close, and then she got
Speaker 1: silent one and I wrote, and I go back to
Speaker 1: the group tex. It's like, and I answering this cat
Speaker 1: because she's busy posting to Instagram. She's taking her emo.
Speaker 1: She started it with, talked me off the ledge, so
Speaker 1: we had every right to come back and try. That's
Speaker 1: usually what she says right before she hit the post.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're literally talking to each other, like
Speaker 1: like we're behind her back right now. Christ it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what you say. She's not listening. I go, Kat's
Speaker 1: just me and you on here now, it's fine. And
Speaker 1: then you in silent and I was like, you're calling
Speaker 1: her as a manager, and so then I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm all here, but I'm just here by myself. What
Speaker 1: I've and is I say my piece and then that's
Speaker 1: you know, manager character of thing. I just keep using
Speaker 1: the brave heart. What's wrong with the beautiful video I made?
Speaker 1: It's precious, so great, it is amazing. Which of this
Speaker 1: girl's like just put it out there like a month ago.
Speaker 1: I did not say just put that out there, but
Speaker 1: you know what brought that back to me as like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I am at a place where I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, you are transparent. A lot of people
Speaker 1: love that about you. Who cares about the people that
Speaker 1: don't love that about you? Be you? Be transparent? And
Speaker 1: I do stand by that. But I also do agree
Speaker 1: to just give some time and protect it for a
Speaker 1: minute because of your state more than anything, because how
Speaker 1: it can be your state and your country. It can
Speaker 1: affect you because you're not even together, like you're not
Speaker 1: even taking a joke. Well really, I mean we have
Speaker 1: to there there's a whole pond in time zones between them.
Speaker 1: But what I mean by that, Katherine knows where I
Speaker 1: go emotionally, like because people are just me, because people
Speaker 1: are me. Do you guys see that? Katherine s touchy. Ma.
Speaker 1: I don't want to bring attention to it because it's
Speaker 1: such a moment. She's snugly. We brought her to the
Speaker 1: dark side, but now we're holding onto a loan. The
Speaker 1: video was great. I think it was very sweet, and
Speaker 1: then I knew once I said Friday is not a
Speaker 1: good time to do this. She was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: did I thounds up to it. I think I did, yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's how I knew she was going back to
Speaker 1: Instagram anything. But do you so you feel like that
Speaker 1: might be coming soon? You might let the people know soon, Yes,
Speaker 1: but not because because here's the deal. Everyone knows I
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend that's already out there, and they're already
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who well they already did and
Speaker 1: fine whatever or I mean, you know some have, but
Speaker 1: like it's more like, how do I say this? People
Speaker 1: are going to be mean regardless. So I think it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things where I'm like, why am
Speaker 1: I who cares? Like, um, I know, I'm we're well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're in a great, good place, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, But like why, Like people will be mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah again, people will be mean regardless of whether I
Speaker 1: post it, not post it, hold onto it for six months,
Speaker 1: they're going to stay the same thing. Oh this is
Speaker 1: gonna last losing a little. They're all gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: say all of it whether I post it today or
Speaker 1: a month from now, but or two months from now whenever.
Speaker 1: So I think it's just one of those things where
Speaker 1: we you know, we talked about it and it was
Speaker 1: just maybe when we're together next. I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: what I did. Like that thought of being together when
Speaker 1: it happens, so that way you can like quiet the
Speaker 1: noise and then it's over and then I can post
Speaker 1: and who cares. It's like and it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But I have liked being just holding onto it and
Speaker 1: just really but also you have making a great foundation together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of also want to buddy the outfit to yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also it's you know, that's why I said, I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I'm happy and all these things and that that
Speaker 1: feels great and I don't need to. But again, I
Speaker 1: just think it's like one of those things where I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I it'd be I kind of want to
Speaker 1: share it, but I love that here. I just don't
Speaker 1: want anything to kill your joy. Right. Well, people are
Speaker 1: going to say stuff again, regardless, there will be people
Speaker 1: that will be nasty and say things, and I just
Speaker 1: want you guys to be able to make out after
Speaker 1: people say nasty things. Well, and I think you can
Speaker 1: just be together. I think that's smart. Yeah, as long
Speaker 1: as we're That's why I told him. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just there's so much noise when stuff like that happens.
Speaker 1: And again, there'll be noise regardless. Should be happy. I am.
Speaker 1: And even if it doesn't work out I'm not going
Speaker 1: to feel embarrassed if it. You guys are so cute.
Speaker 1: I want the world to note you together. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: again things don't if if things don't work out, I
Speaker 1: just don't want to. I don't want to. I think
Speaker 1: I was not wanting to do it and hide it
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be embarrassed if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out. Because it's so I have been so publicly
Speaker 1: embarrassed with relationships, and a lot of that I own.
Speaker 1: That's my fault because I've been open about him. So
Speaker 1: that's why I've I've been trying to stay more private.
Speaker 1: Having said that, I'm like, you know what, who cares? Like?
Speaker 1: We we we we love, we fall out of love.
Speaker 1: We now. I have a feeling this one is different,
Speaker 1: but who knows. I get a lot of messages though
Speaker 1: from people that are like, I love how Joanna still dates? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I have one of my girlfriends as a mom,
Speaker 1: a single mom, and I think she's in Seattle now
Speaker 1: and she even wrote to me the other day and
Speaker 1: was like, it's so inspiring to me because I just
Speaker 1: get so nervous, and then I see Janna just go
Speaker 1: for it, and I'm like, I'm gonna do this. What
Speaker 1: do people expect you to do? People don't expect you
Speaker 1: to have relationships, to date people, just like they create
Speaker 1: these narratives, and it's like, I could never do me
Speaker 1: show you the narrative, you know, in something that's like
Speaker 1: I couldn't never do into a place to guess what
Speaker 1: everyone thinks they know your life, they don't you know
Speaker 1: what it is, and just being confident and I think
Speaker 1: that's where And he's the boyfriend has done a really
Speaker 1: good job of being like I could give two craps
Speaker 1: about any of that stuff. And he's just like all
Speaker 1: I care about is who you are today and you
Speaker 1: know us together, And so I feel like even if
Speaker 1: there was noise, that it's he's a safe place to land.
Speaker 1: And I do think your noise is so canceled inside
Speaker 1: of yourself that like it's not going to be as
Speaker 1: noisy as it ever was before anyway. So yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm like whatever people are again, people are going to
Speaker 1: be mean, and we can't go back to our other
Speaker 1: hot topics. That was just a hot topic that I take,
Speaker 1: I go rogue and creamers like, uh, you know what
Speaker 1: I will say. And this is a kind of a
Speaker 1: goes along with this hot topic because Channing Tatum calls
Speaker 1: breakup from Jenna Juan terrifying. He didn't um a sit
Speaker 1: down or not I sit down, but he uh talked
Speaker 1: about the end of his marriage, and I will say
Speaker 1: what I love about. And I also want to mention
Speaker 1: to Anna Kendricks because she talked about how her ex
Speaker 1: and this was on the Armchair Expert Dak Shepherd's podcast
Speaker 1: about UM how she made embryos with this guy, this
Speaker 1: boyfriend and he cheated on her. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: I love how celebrities UM that especially have like like
Speaker 1: Anna or Anna and you know Channing. It's like people
Speaker 1: that have always and that never really shared a lot
Speaker 1: are kind of giving you a little piece of behind
Speaker 1: the current, behind the curtain, and I think it really
Speaker 1: humanizes And also it's like, hey, Anna Kendricks was cheated
Speaker 1: on too, you know. It's like it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just nice to have other people kind of talk
Speaker 1: about their experiences too and relate for other people as well.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because they got married really young. So
Speaker 1: I also it's like, um, feeling like you had to um,
Speaker 1: he goes. I think we told ourselves a story when
Speaker 1: we were young, and we just kept telling ourselves that story,
Speaker 1: no matter how blatantly life was telling us that we
Speaker 1: were so different. Uh. And then but when you're actually parents,
Speaker 1: you really understand difference differences between the two of you.
Speaker 1: And so with Kat, I mean, you got married really young,
Speaker 1: so it's like, is that do you understand kind of
Speaker 1: that story they were telling each other. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: feel for them because I think that that's a hard Yeah,
Speaker 1: people change so much in those years, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're so young. But I also think, and I don't
Speaker 1: know their situations, so I'm not saying what they did
Speaker 1: was right or wrong or anything like that, but I
Speaker 1: think that you can be very different and also learn
Speaker 1: how to navigate that as well, which I didn't was
Speaker 1: kind of hard for me. I mean, like, yes, we're different,
Speaker 1: but we do parents the same. Parenting different, like we
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, earlier would be hard, um, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, people change so much in that time and
Speaker 1: I think you have to figure out, you know, can
Speaker 1: we find our similarities and deal with our differences and
Speaker 1: be the people that we are and be together or
Speaker 1: can we not? You know? And obviously they figured out
Speaker 1: that they couldn't, and um, it sounds like it was
Speaker 1: good for him. I think he has some good time
Speaker 1: with him and his daughter and it was a good thing.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I was young the first time,
Speaker 1: first marriage. Young is like I think six, I feel
Speaker 1: that feels young still, no, I mean, yeah, especially these days,
Speaker 1: that definitely. Yeah. And we were together for almost nine
Speaker 1: years I think total. But I was in love with
Speaker 1: this person who when I met him and I was
Speaker 1: twenty four and he was nineteen, was like I could
Speaker 1: be smitten with that personality and that whatever. Course. But
Speaker 1: then when you get to like eight or nine years later,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was vastly different and to to a
Speaker 1: point where you're like, well, shoot, like we're either you're
Speaker 1: either gonna meet me where I'm at or this is
Speaker 1: just not gonna work. I mean that's where we got to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. He was okay being okay, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I thought, I mean this was
Speaker 1: okay when you were nineteen, this is no longer okay,
Speaker 1: because we need to like move to the next season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seasons of change, and I think people can do that together.
Speaker 1: I do too. It just takes a lot of work
Speaker 1: and compromise and figuring it out. But also I think
Speaker 1: it takes strong people to realize, hey, we're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to do this, We're not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to get to that point and we need to
Speaker 1: move on. I feel like I've a lot of empathy
Speaker 1: for them too, because it's probably really hard because they
Speaker 1: were the Golden couple, you know. I remember when I
Speaker 1: saw that they got divorced. I was like, because you
Speaker 1: just they're so they're they're they're the they're the King
Speaker 1: and Queen and you Yeah, so it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: But I'm curious, like how when it comes to parenting
Speaker 1: and which will kind of lead into the next one
Speaker 1: with j Lo and Ben, but how do you think, like,
Speaker 1: how do you guys evolve and build your relationship through parenting.
Speaker 1: I feel lucky because we parents so similar, and also
Speaker 1: Preston really trust me to just kind of take the
Speaker 1: lead on a lot of it. He's gone a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm alone about at least two hundred nights a year,
Speaker 1: so I'm the default. I mean, we do a lot
Speaker 1: of talking obviously, but like he kind of just trust
Speaker 1: me to know what's best. But we do. That's one
Speaker 1: thing I feel like, even when the other stuff can
Speaker 1: get really marriage and gross and noisy, that's one thing
Speaker 1: we always just do well. And I'm just so thankful
Speaker 1: because I have friends of mine that are like, oh,
Speaker 1: my parents so differently, and he's contradicting me, and you know,
Speaker 1: and we have had those times. We It has not
Speaker 1: been rainbows, but like we have had those times where
Speaker 1: he will say something and I'll like later say to him,
Speaker 1: don't do that in front of them again, you know,
Speaker 1: And I've had to apologize for doing the exact same
Speaker 1: thing to him. Yeah. Sure, yeah, we've had that too.
Speaker 1: I think for us, we do parents similarly, I've always
Speaker 1: taken the lead as the kids are getting older, I've
Speaker 1: asked him to take on more, not of the lead,
Speaker 1: but like a bigger role in that and helping me
Speaker 1: because I'm realizing now it kind of makes me the
Speaker 1: bad guy. Also, your ages are like all hands on
Speaker 1: deck ages. They are, for sure, but I like, don't
Speaker 1: always want to be the bad guy. And that's not
Speaker 1: because he's not willing to. He will. It's just because
Speaker 1: I've always been the one to set the rules say yes,
Speaker 1: and so now I'm like, man, I'm kind of like
Speaker 1: I'm the one always saying no. So now I'm the
Speaker 1: bad guy, and so it's it's tough. My daughter told
Speaker 1: me that I am data is the fun one, and
Speaker 1: I am the yes ma'am, mind your manners and yes
Speaker 1: ma'am mama, and I was like, he's the guy that
Speaker 1: comes off the road with like toys, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I can relate that to that for sure, because
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, my cousin every Wednesday and then
Speaker 1: every other Friday Saturday, and it's like it has something
Speaker 1: happened on the day on the phone where Jay's constantly
Speaker 1: gets out of it. It's like an hour and a
Speaker 1: half now routine to put him down to bed, and he's, well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do that Daddy's house. And I want to
Speaker 1: be like because he's only there like the ratio one
Speaker 1: day a week and then every other two days. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's and it's hard for me to be
Speaker 1: like because it's like because they are for fun. Over there,
Speaker 1: it's more it's more fun. And that's where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's where Jace will start to say, like,
Speaker 1: oh like Dad, I'm like, well, you know, it's us.
Speaker 1: It is hard though, because it's like even when Preston's home,
Speaker 1: bed times are a little later, you know, and I
Speaker 1: have to I always feel like I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: so naggy, but I'm like, okay, it's that time. Okay,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like the fun Police, you know, it's not cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just have to communicate a lot about it. But
Speaker 1: I will say, to answering that question, we've always um
Speaker 1: our like we've our marriage always is strengthened through family stuff,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Like that's how I've always felt
Speaker 1: close is through family time. Yeah. Oh same, like that
Speaker 1: to me, Like I will take us five doing something
Speaker 1: over a date night any night, and I will feel
Speaker 1: that much more connected. You've had to like learn that.
Speaker 1: He has to learn that about me, whereas he's more
Speaker 1: connected to me and him. I'm getting there. But guys
Speaker 1: are just kind of like that in general, well because
Speaker 1: it's like it's sexy for us to see them in
Speaker 1: as like good dads and like you know, I think
Speaker 1: that is a woman thing or a mom thing for sure. Well,
Speaker 1: he loves one. I one attention pressed us. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: if there's no kids to distract my hands and I
Speaker 1: can just have my hands all over his sweet little Leo,
Speaker 1: I'm a king feelings that feels good to him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Speaking of kids though, and blending families, Jennifer Lopez says,
Speaker 1: blending families have been an affleck has been an emotional transition.
Speaker 1: Now she doesn't really tap in. I love that she
Speaker 1: said this. It's been a phenomenal year, like my best
Speaker 1: year I think since my kids were born. And I
Speaker 1: just I love that. But I'm three, right part of me,
Speaker 1: isn't she fifty three? And then the you know the
Speaker 1: kids from so there's seventeen, fourteen, ten, fourteen year old
Speaker 1: twins all in one house. Emotional transition, and I was wondering,
Speaker 1: I mean, she doesn't she doesn't touch on the emotional transition.
Speaker 1: But I feel like you almost don't have to take
Speaker 1: it negative. You can go all right. It's probably a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing to finally feel like a family. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it, right, because the other side
Speaker 1: of it is and I remember talking to my niece
Speaker 1: and nephew about this, or because I asked them when
Speaker 1: they were here, like, hey, what's something that I couldn't
Speaker 1: be aware of? And or what where do you think
Speaker 1: some of the uh not issues but like um areas
Speaker 1: where you fell into depression or anxiety, and and it
Speaker 1: was the having to be in the different houses like
Speaker 1: of different spouses and stuff. So my my brother got
Speaker 1: remarried after and then after again it was difficult, right
Speaker 1: because they were like being pulled from like familiar And
Speaker 1: that's kind of like how because Jen had her kids
Speaker 1: with a Rod's kids, So I remember that being a
Speaker 1: real emotional Remember that that whole thing she showed it
Speaker 1: was so sad, like the kids like crying, and so
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully this is hopefully that emotional transition was
Speaker 1: like this is a beautiful we're now finally after all
Speaker 1: these years together or is a family? Does that make
Speaker 1: you nervous at all? Think? Terrified? Absolutely terrified, I mean
Speaker 1: literally terrifies me thinking about how because I've done a
Speaker 1: really good job of not introducing the kids to people,
Speaker 1: uh and so, and obviously they haven't met the new boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Having said that, you know, we the boyfriend and I
Speaker 1: are talking about future things, and in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it makes me excited and it also makes me scared
Speaker 1: for just you just never know, right, and with kids,
Speaker 1: and it's like I don't want them to be in
Speaker 1: a place where their ground is not as steady as possible,
Speaker 1: Like I want them to be so secure, solid foundation,
Speaker 1: and I'm in charge of that. But that's why I
Speaker 1: think it'll be okay. M hmm, I really do, because
Speaker 1: I feel like you put so much effort into that
Speaker 1: piece that I just don't know how it couldn't. Like
Speaker 1: I just was sitting here as you were saying that,
Speaker 1: thinking like, okay, if I'm Jolie and Jason, but I
Speaker 1: always know you're the anchor if i'm them, Like you
Speaker 1: make such an effort to make sure that they know
Speaker 1: and that they feel that way, and you provide consistency
Speaker 1: even in a world of inconsistency because your career is inconsistent,
Speaker 1: but you still make it consistent for them, right, And like, sure,
Speaker 1: I want to believe in the true love. There's there's
Speaker 1: a side of me where it's like one side is
Speaker 1: like love of my life. I'm so excited I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get married, I'm gonna have a family. Like right, there's
Speaker 1: that piece on the other side is like, Jane, be
Speaker 1: real things have you know? You don't this can happen again.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And so then those doubts and fears
Speaker 1: kind of creep in. And then I always my concern.
Speaker 1: I don't care about me. My heart's been broken a
Speaker 1: million times. I can deal with another broken heart. I
Speaker 1: will be fine. My kids, that's a different story. They're
Speaker 1: older now, they understand more, you know, well, and there
Speaker 1: it's not like you're dragging them to other houses. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're I mean, they know where they are.
Speaker 1: They are here, you know, if they are to meet
Speaker 1: your future boyfriend, like it's going to be okay, no
Speaker 1: matter what happens. Qualifying him first, I mean, you're doing
Speaker 1: due diligence this time. This isn't like a this wasn't
Speaker 1: this isn't hot girl summer. This is like, Okay, legitimately,
Speaker 1: this is a person I'm making an effort to see.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that one person. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like those people never you they were never in and
Speaker 1: out of their orbits. So for them, it's been a
Speaker 1: long time since they've met anyone, and you're doing such
Speaker 1: a diligent job at like qualifying this human too, make
Speaker 1: sure he fits for you, and then make sure he
Speaker 1: could be a fit for them. Like I think it's
Speaker 1: slow and good. Yeah, and off of social media, just
Speaker 1: to circle back, it's going to be maybe another week.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'll give you a tidbit because he might
Speaker 1: be able to come in. So who knows, maybe this
Speaker 1: is it's going to be posted before the same time
Speaker 1: would be maybe the next episode. Uh yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But um, I mean I can't imagine family. I've said
Speaker 1: that to you before. I just realized my water. But
Speaker 1: I can see where it would just be such a
Speaker 1: mix of terrifying and ex sighting. Yeah, Like there's a
Speaker 1: piece of two that I'm like, man, like, how amazing,
Speaker 1: How cool would it be to like come together as
Speaker 1: how they are like come together as you know, just yes,
Speaker 1: we are a family now, we're a strong family of three.
Speaker 1: But there's so much more love to be had and
Speaker 1: given and shared. And at Courtney Kardashian and Travis Barker
Speaker 1: doing that and doing a great job, you know what.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's doing a great job. Right they are,
Speaker 1: They are are doing a great job. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're living together. I just remember their families feeling
Speaker 1: like all together. But Christianner's like the queen of blending
Speaker 1: families anyway. So his kids are older though, which is
Speaker 1: um boyfriends are Travis boyfriends? Okay, like Travis is, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, they're older. So it's a different
Speaker 1: that's And that's another piece too, where I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: are you sure what you're signing up for? Like you
Speaker 1: were coming into a four year old and a seven
Speaker 1: year old, like they're my world and this is different,
Speaker 1: this is a different bubble, And are you sure you're
Speaker 1: ready for the older kid? Me? Bring it. I know
Speaker 1: you'll be great. I love there's both sides of it,
Speaker 1: Like you're also going in with you know, other kids happy,
Speaker 1: and my kids are going to have aunt Janna that
Speaker 1: loves older kids. Because I like these ages a lot.
Speaker 1: All of it terrifies me. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling. No, I'll be fine, Everything's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Blend the families. Even reading about posting
Speaker 1: we're just blending family. Yeah, I just already I moved
Speaker 1: him in speaking of getting older, David Foster says, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit different raising a toddler. At seventy three,
Speaker 1: I can offer him wisdom. So David Foster is, I
Speaker 1: don't know why it's three. He welcomes son day twenty
Speaker 1: three months and one with wife, with wife Catherine McPhee,
Speaker 1: thirty eight, having already raised six adult daughters Alison fifty two,
Speaker 1: so his daughters fifty two, his oldest daughters fifty two,
Speaker 1: fifty two year old in a two years in a
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, I had all daughters until my son,
Speaker 1: and I love all my daughters and immeasurably, but having
Speaker 1: a son is a little bit different. Um at seventy three.
Speaker 1: Seventy three music producers also having to get grips with
Speaker 1: the idea of parenting in later life. So, I mean
Speaker 1: people are grandparents, I mean and then yeah, because I
Speaker 1: mean like Preston's parents around that age, like a great current,
Speaker 1: like my great grand Like no, because yeah, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: like eight eight two great grandparents. So, uh, do you
Speaker 1: agree with the sentiment that he has learned to become
Speaker 1: more patient, has more experience in parenting at older age. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure just in life, I think at that point. Right. Also,
Speaker 1: there's a thirty five year age difference between him and Catherine.
Speaker 1: His age really matter after your mid thirties. Oh my
Speaker 1: biggest gap was my teen years and that was vastly different.
Speaker 1: But I was I was young, like I was twenty
Speaker 1: and he was thirty nine. Oh yeah, so that's a
Speaker 1: huge huh. I can't you, guys, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna lose a lot of fans
Speaker 1: if I say what I want to say about it.
Speaker 1: It's no say it because it's not. Yeah, that would
Speaker 1: be really hard for me because it wouldn't be hard
Speaker 1: for him. Is that too dirty? I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: the penis nothing hard talking about Thank you for explaining
Speaker 1: it to me. I just feel like I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: going on at seventy three? I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine walking that, And I feel like you would
Speaker 1: be if you're like, actually, it's like okay, Like you
Speaker 1: get it right, That's what I'm saying. That would be
Speaker 1: really hard for me. Like I think, okay, so Preston's
Speaker 1: parents are about five is so in my brain that's
Speaker 1: like what I have to go to you know, like
Speaker 1: they're they're more time mean, not every They're not my parents.
Speaker 1: They're not all created equal either, which you know, not
Speaker 1: all seventy three year olds or seventy three. My husband
Speaker 1: doesn't act his age. I don't think so. But gosh,
Speaker 1: thirty five, like you are a young and vibrant and
Speaker 1: wanted to go to dinner and probably stay out past
Speaker 1: like eight o'clock. Uh well, my son, not necessarily. You know,
Speaker 1: I've always loved older guys. We older is one thing.
Speaker 1: You know. Let's go back to Hot Girl Summer when
Speaker 1: there was one guy that was older and I was
Speaker 1: all about it and you were like how much older? Though?
Speaker 1: How much older was he? Who? I just remember this.
Speaker 1: I really liked him. Oh he was he was he
Speaker 1: was fifty. Yeah, but that was because I wasn't attracted
Speaker 1: to him, but it was he had Remember, he was
Speaker 1: very he was a big CEO. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I would I've never I've never did did
Speaker 1: anyone because of money, and I'm not going to start now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was only like what fifteen years or something. No,
Speaker 1: he was fifties six, I mean like getting up to
Speaker 1: eight years and he wanted to go out to dinner
Speaker 1: with me, and I was just like and Katherine's but
Speaker 1: think about the jet and had little pot I wanted
Speaker 1: about out of the next one birth just saying why
Speaker 1: I turned down the first date and just because I
Speaker 1: just have to be pardon. I feel like I'm just
Speaker 1: not being well spoken when I'm saying that we got it. Yea.
Speaker 1: It's just like there that's a huge thirty five years.
Speaker 1: That's essentially like if you whoever you were marrying is
Speaker 1: born right now. Well, if you put it that way,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of difference in life. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I could ever Okay, so like when you look
Speaker 1: at like, I think, isn't whose boyfriend is like super
Speaker 1: young as it chairs? Or I so I can never
Speaker 1: date a young, young, young dude when I in like
Speaker 1: my sixties or seventies, I couldn't never, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could ever do that now if
Speaker 1: I'm sure Madonna like, but still I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: While you're looking at me, I feel like I could.
Speaker 1: I could have sex with them are going to be
Speaker 1: done when you're like I'm gonna need the young guys.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do that. I just feel like there
Speaker 1: is such a huge quality of life difference at that point.
Speaker 1: It depends what you want, and that's the thing, right,
Speaker 1: I think I think Catherine has always dated older men
Speaker 1: um and I think I don't know if that has
Speaker 1: something to do with so, like I dated the older
Speaker 1: guys because I had like daddy issues, right, so that
Speaker 1: was like my thing at that time. Now I don't
Speaker 1: really I'm not really attracted to older guys anymore obviously,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think, you know, so she's always kind
Speaker 1: of older guys, just like one of those oldsen twins.
Speaker 1: I think she did as well older, and so I
Speaker 1: think there's just a difference in right. Everyone loves different people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and where she's at, she might not care about doing
Speaker 1: the fun things at thirty whatever. She just wants to
Speaker 1: be a mom and the listen. I like older, I
Speaker 1: just don't like oldest. That's my official statement. I say,
Speaker 1: love whoever you want to love, and age discriminate. There's
Speaker 1: a I don't depend on the person you never know
Speaker 1: is not gonna do it for me, probably not me.
Speaker 1: So moving on to everybody hates me now a seventy
Speaker 1: two year marriage. Really, Wow, we're just getting older no, Bonnie,
Speaker 1: our next four year old woman, the age time no
Speaker 1: wife of boy Meat's World, William Daniels was devastated by
Speaker 1: open relationship early into seventy two year marriage. So Bonnie
Speaker 1: Bartlett Daniels is opening up about the painful start to
Speaker 1: her seventy two year marriage seventy two years. I just
Speaker 1: find it so interesting we're talking about this now, well,
Speaker 1: because I think this is I'm going to circle back,
Speaker 1: because now people are being more open and honest, and
Speaker 1: they're just now talking about that. She probably can you
Speaker 1: imagine back in so back in Listen struggled as a
Speaker 1: couple after tying them, not in nineteen fifty one. People
Speaker 1: don't talk about their feelings back then. Marriages then well revealed.
Speaker 1: I guess it was a little bit of an open
Speaker 1: marriage at first, but that was very painful. That didn't
Speaker 1: work well, And it was a time when people were
Speaker 1: it was a time when people were doing that. It
Speaker 1: was at a time in New York when there was
Speaker 1: a lot of sex and a lot of people doing
Speaker 1: all kinds of things, you know, very free. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if there was a lack of commitment a
Speaker 1: little bit, and that's not good. She continued, so there
Speaker 1: was a lot of pain connected with any transgression, with
Speaker 1: any extra marital thing. In her new memoir, Bartlett Daniels,
Speaker 1: who we might have on the show, by the Way,
Speaker 1: at some point, revealed she never felt guilty about extra
Speaker 1: marital affairs because I never tied to fidelity, and neither
Speaker 1: did Bill. She admitted to having an affair that lasted
Speaker 1: a few months with another actor in nineteen fifty nine,
Speaker 1: but her husband's affair with a New York based producer
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen seventies ultimately left her devastated and
Speaker 1: changed her outlook on the relationship. At that point, she
Speaker 1: can no longer tolerate any kind of open marriage. And
Speaker 1: I think it's remember when we had that conversation where
Speaker 1: if the girl can do it, but when the guy does,
Speaker 1: it's like like that, sound't like this, sound like this,
Speaker 1: This doesn't feel good. That's so true because it's like
Speaker 1: it's your man. Yeah, yeah, I mean again, y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: know where I stand. So I'm not even gonna have
Speaker 1: much input on this because y'all know I don't like
Speaker 1: I could never be in an open marriage, Like I'm
Speaker 1: like boyfriend, like you lie, you cheat, I'm out, peace out,
Speaker 1: like I believe in forgiveness and I'll forgive you and
Speaker 1: we can be friends. But I will never let someone
Speaker 1: into my atmosphere because I know who I become. Don't
Speaker 1: like it so um and I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to ever see I don't want to ever
Speaker 1: do open I don't want to see my boyfriend husband
Speaker 1: touching another woman. I don't want to touch on that person.
Speaker 1: I want to love and cherish this human. However, always
Speaker 1: want to chair someone. So yeah, this is where I
Speaker 1: get real, Like we get Detroit. Detroit is like love. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Having said that, I get that people want or whatever works,
Speaker 1: whatever works for you. You guys do it, but it
Speaker 1: is there is something to be said when when the
Speaker 1: woman can do it, but then the man then, but
Speaker 1: when the man does, it's like, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question when you say open marriage,
Speaker 1: can that mean they are Does does that mean that
Speaker 1: they are just going off having other relationships you not included?
Speaker 1: Or can that also mean y'all are both going and
Speaker 1: having relationships with other people. I think you can do both.
Speaker 1: I think both as well, because that also feels I
Speaker 1: also think different in a weird way. I also think
Speaker 1: there's different restrictions per couple, like I can together and
Speaker 1: then or only these certain acts you could do, but
Speaker 1: not this. Then if you're going off on your own
Speaker 1: and having like what I think of as an open
Speaker 1: marriage where you were literally like can go have sex
Speaker 1: with the you know, with somebody else and that person
Speaker 1: is not included, that feels so much more like cheating
Speaker 1: to me, like months they're staying months. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that just feels like affairs. It doesn't feel like but
Speaker 1: I mean I understand that that's the definition of it.
Speaker 1: We have friends that have an open marriage. Wow, and
Speaker 1: as long as he comes back and tells her what happened, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, it makes me want to get sick.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you agree, and that's where it's hard.
Speaker 1: But we talked about conversation. Yeah, but it gets to
Speaker 1: a point where it's like then it happens to you
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, that didn't feel good, and you
Speaker 1: get to go change your mind. I remember I was
Speaker 1: having that discussion. It's like you get to go back
Speaker 1: and go, guess what doesn't feel good anymore? And it's
Speaker 1: hard to gain back trust from an open marriage back
Speaker 1: to a full commitment. But it's but as long as
Speaker 1: you guys are on the same page, it can be done.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm always like advocate, Like I do
Speaker 1: believe marriages can survive infidelity and all those things, but
Speaker 1: like it has to have like so many levels of
Speaker 1: empathy and trust and work and letting go of things
Speaker 1: and be you know, really doing the healing work. But
Speaker 1: it's not an easy road, which is why I also
Speaker 1: know who I become, and that's why I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: out not happy. No, I will never do that. I
Speaker 1: mean a jealous person, you know, and I would be
Speaker 1: jealous hands down, I know it would, and no one
Speaker 1: likes a jealous person, do you know? Jealous insecure? Which
Speaker 1: I can say I for sure have been jealous and
Speaker 1: insecure and plenty of relationships. But now I'm weirdly not
Speaker 1: in this one, which is so strange because he lives
Speaker 1: how many thousands of miles away from interesting, I don't
Speaker 1: I trust him with I'm like zero, Like, isn't that weird? Wonderful?
Speaker 1: He makes you feel safe in that way. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and I guess I've done the work to where I'm
Speaker 1: like all right, you've got a lot to lose if
Speaker 1: you did. And he's out like, and I'm good either yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not anxiously attacktching onto this human. I've lost
Speaker 1: my anxious attachment, losing or anxious and you guys, rest
Speaker 1: in peace my anxious attachment. And now I feel like
Speaker 1: my husband's like, oh anxious atatment by Yeah. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good either way. I'll make it. I'll be fine,
Speaker 1: but I know I'm okay. Yeah, that's a different It's
Speaker 1: a great place to be. It's a beautiful play, wildly
Speaker 1: intimidating for someone who's used to being anxious and anxiously attached.
Speaker 1: That was kind of Nick and I he was I
Speaker 1: would say probably anxiously attached. And it took him being like,
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm fine, I'm good, Like it took him
Speaker 1: a minute to get there because but it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it is intimidating. Catherine going on our little weekend rendevos.
Speaker 1: Is not anyone knowing, I'm like, what dating Nick? And
Speaker 1: we didn't even know. She's like, I'm busy this weekend,
Speaker 1: do not disturb more? Like who? She went, why can
Speaker 1: we do that again? I was talking to when we
Speaker 1: haven't really talked about it, ken if you want. But
Speaker 1: one of the things I was talking to Nick the
Speaker 1: other day when we went to go look at the
Speaker 1: house that I'm building and he was I said, what
Speaker 1: did I say to him? I said something about, you know,
Speaker 1: how's it going? Like things? You know, things look good.
Speaker 1: I go, um, I know, you guys are probably out
Speaker 1: of that honeymoon's like, man, that would have been so
Speaker 1: I wish we could have stayed in that forever. He
Speaker 1: was that was the best place, like to like that
Speaker 1: fun sneaking around like it was. And it's like I
Speaker 1: think also because we got married so young, like I
Speaker 1: don't remember like even dating, Like how old were you
Speaker 1: when you got married? Yeah, so we were. I was
Speaker 1: twenty one and we got married. I had a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like I don't even remember. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we didn't. Maybe we did.
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is just so fun, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know sometimes we meet in the car in the garage. Oh.
Speaker 1: I just want to toss that out to any married
Speaker 1: coubbles feel like they could use a little moment and
Speaker 1: where are the kids and sleeping? Okay, that's kind of
Speaker 1: hot yea where like in a car or oh, I
Speaker 1: mean back there the only one without car seats. Just
Speaker 1: to keep it real, humble and very real. Also, as
Speaker 1: the kids get older, I'm also learning it gets harder
Speaker 1: because they just keep staying late and they just keep
Speaker 1: like coming in to talk and like that gets me.
Speaker 1: And they also know about sex. Oh so that's weird.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't you have a lock on your door? Well,
Speaker 1: we do, but like then they wonder what literally did
Speaker 1: that the other day and it's like it's locked. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but they're awake. I can't. Like Eden's room is two
Speaker 1: doors right there, Like I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: do it. I mean we did, but you did, but
Speaker 1: it does it makes me nervous. It would make to
Speaker 1: go to bed. Yeah, yeah, we have to make car
Speaker 1: like that would be my luck that they'd walk to
Speaker 1: drive away your neighbors and the nighttime drive you know
Speaker 1: that they're saying to keep it alive and they all know.
Speaker 1: Now it's like now my neighbors, no to it, okay,
Speaker 1: right for you? I mean, hey, you know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't said no matter time. Oh I thought you
Speaker 1: guys were out of the car in the driveway. I
Speaker 1: was like, now come on you, guys, you still we
Speaker 1: have a tramp stamp. It used to be Star. It's
Speaker 1: definitely it's definitely not Stars anymore. You'd be rolling by
Speaker 1: Christen's house and they're just like you. That's when I
Speaker 1: used to pick my tattoo artists based on what they
Speaker 1: looked like, not what they're working like. Joey was cute,
Speaker 1: and now I'm stuck with a twenty years scar. Well, guys,
Speaker 1: I've really done it this time. I love just chatting
Speaker 1: these hot topics. I love it. All right, guys, Well
Speaker 1: we done, we kept ourselves. We're out of here, all right. Well,
Speaker 1: here's to Here's to seventy three years and bursting bubble
Speaker 1: of wine down Yeah, backseat in your driveway. Keep it
Speaker 1: classy out there, wine downer, I guess. By By