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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was nasty right there, right slam on the

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Speaker 3: ground by Puda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: All right, Danny, you know the same players, no players right.

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Speaker 2: If you want to know about a receiver, ask a dB.

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Speaker 2: If you want to know about a defensive back, ask

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Speaker 2: a wide receiver. Well what if we had one person

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Speaker 2: who could give you a first person perspective in both positions?

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Speaker 2: Because Roy Jetstream Green joins us, the great, the man

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Speaker 2: with his name on the side of the building right

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Speaker 2: there in the Ring of Honor at State Farm Stadium. Danny,

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Speaker 2: would you say we've upgraded from Darren Urban here on

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Speaker 3: I hope Darren hears me loud and clear when I

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Speaker 3: say yes.

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Speaker 2: Resounding yes, Roy, how are we doing this summer?

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Speaker 4: This is awesome, man. It's always if I get up

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Speaker 2: And you are you are accustomed to the heat enough

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Speaker 2: having lived here for X number of years that you

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Speaker 2: will play golf in the big heat.

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Speaker 4: Definitely six am T time, six am T time. And

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Speaker 4: if you're not playing great, just quit at about five holes,

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Speaker 4: go back home with some well.

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Speaker 2: You know, hey, NBA Finals have been over. Have you

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Speaker 2: been playing any golf with your bestie? Charles Barkley. He's

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Speaker 2: gonna have some more time in his hands. Charles Barkley

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Speaker 2: now that he announce his retirement.

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Speaker 4: You know, he loves this time of the year because

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Speaker 4: he can he can really say I'm working. You know,

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Speaker 4: he goes back and forth to each city. He's actually

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Speaker 4: doing some work.

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Speaker 5: Where are we going? What tea times? Do we have

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Speaker 5: get rid of for your butt beat? That's ready toe

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Speaker 5: all right.

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Speaker 2: So look, it's been a really competitive offseason and we

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Speaker 2: the group of corners that the Cardinals have arguably the

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Speaker 2: two most competitive position groups. I mean, Danny, when you

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Speaker 2: look at this roster and you see a dozen receivers

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Craig Grielou, you know, that avid

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Speaker 2: fan of WWE. I said, it's like Battle Royale, like

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Speaker 3: When you look at the numbers, yes, it might sound

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Speaker 3: similar in terms of competition, I don't think it's similar

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Speaker 3: then competition for depth cornerbacks is a whole different story.

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Speaker 3: You essentially have one starting cornerback right now in Sean

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Speaker 3: Startling Thomas earned that role over Key char Clark last year.

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Speaker 3: They're both going into their second year, so I feel

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Speaker 2: Right, We're gonna get into Marvin Harrison junior in depth.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. He has definitely been one

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Speaker 2: But let's start with corner because that's where you started

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Speaker 4: Cornerback, everybody's great, you cover, you can cut back some oftimes.

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Speaker 4: As a college player, Gouse, you go in, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, he's like a basketball player

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Speaker 5: I'm like, wait a minute, that's my guy in the

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Speaker 4: Three touchdowns? Three touchdowns just threw you know. I know

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Speaker 4: I'm very confident, but not that last night, not the

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's very important for a coach with a

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Speaker 2: Well, Ryan Smith is the cornerbacks coach, so he's got

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Speaker 2: to your point, Danny. I mean, there are a lot

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Speaker 2: It's interesting Kee Troll Clark was a starter out of

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Speaker 2: the elevator to the top. Some of us take the stairs.

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Speaker 2: I meaning sometimes it takes a little bit longer, and

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Speaker 3: When Kee Trell Clark lost the starting role to Starling

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Speaker 3: He's doing all of these things wrong. I didn't see

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Speaker 3: from Clark, that makes perfect sense to me. I don't

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Speaker 3: and then Thomas was just showcasing more and whatever they

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Speaker 4: You know what's going to be important too, is abunding

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Speaker 4: our new cornerback here. This was a guy who's been

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Speaker 4: to be a great teaching for these young guys to

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Speaker 4: make them understand. Like as you said, Clark is not

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Speaker 4: good cornerback. The situation. He's had some bad situations, but

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Speaker 4: they had a lot of good things. If you watch him,

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Speaker 4: You know when I first start. You know, this guy's

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Speaker 4: he's had some bad times. He has a good times. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he wanted to went title with Tampa exactly, went to

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Speaker 4: has some great teachings, so he understands it. And for

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Speaker 4: him to talk to him, to go through these guys

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, and Roy jetstring Green is our

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Speaker 2: guest here Cardinals Ring of Honor. Sean Murphy Bunting is

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Speaker 2: year ago didn't work out. I mean, Roy, you tell

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Speaker 2: me if Nick Rawl is a defensive coordinator every week

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Speaker 2: and take Seawan Murphy Bunting and put him on the

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Speaker 4: Yes, this gives you an opportunity, as you say, to

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Speaker 4: of different things in rallies. As I say, I think

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Speaker 4: he's a great, great defensive coordinator. As you saw last season,

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Speaker 4: He's always had a plan. There was a uh contributions

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Speaker 4: some a little brocket, some some blitzing so it was

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Speaker 4: that's and that's a great opportunity for these young guys

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Speaker 2: You know, Danny. You go to Cardinals camp, right, and

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Speaker 2: we think we know football, and then you stand there

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Speaker 2: he throws out, you realize, Wow, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 2: when you watch a young corner. Cardinals fans are gonna

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Speaker 2: go to Cardinals camp and it's gonna be that battle

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Speaker 2: Royale and they're gonna see Max Melton, They're gonna see

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Speaker 2: What do you look for when you're watching a lot

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Speaker 4: Corner confidence making plays? Those are the kind of guys

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for. Their feet is more important than anything.

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Speaker 4: There's no question in my mind. You know, I had

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Speaker 4: And this is the kind of guy. He is, great feet,

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Speaker 3: And you know what, when when Marvin Harrison Junior is

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Speaker 2: So what do the veterans know that Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 4: You know what the only thing is, it's not that

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Speaker 4: So that's going to be the part that's different. You know,

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Speaker 4: You know, mental mistakes are far different than they are

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Speaker 2: There's no question we had a chance interview him right

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Speaker 3: And they've improved the blocking. I mean, Tip Ryman, the

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Speaker 2: Here's the name I'm gonna throw out, because Danny, I

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Speaker 2: For him at a level when he makes a catch

433
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: and he turns into a return man, you know, I mean,

434
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: he you know, he's making guys miss I mean, and

435
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: he's just getting those extra dirty yards. Even though he's

436
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: not a heavier, big guy, he's able to break ankles

437
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: and get through. And here's the other thing. With a

438
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: new kick off format the way it is, there are

439
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people who have the opinion Greg Dortch

440
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: is gonna be even better as a return man this year.

441
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you know enough Roy about

442
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 2: how to assess the kickoffs and so forth, But I mean,

443
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: if if indeed Greg Dortch, I could just see him

444
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: easily over a thousand all purpose yards between the receiving

445
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: and return game. I think he's gonna be one of

446
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: the main weapons on this offense.

447
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

448
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: He's great feet, just great feet, and he's tough. You know, yes,

449
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 4: said he's not that big, but this guy sometimes I

450
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 4: just want to get down, man, But he's tough and

451
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 4: he gets extra yardage. Guys cannot they can't face when

452
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 4: they hit him solid. They cannot do it because of

453
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 4: his feet and movement. Yeah, this guy's has an opportunity.

454
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 4: Well he I think, you know, without injury of course,

455
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 4: for everyone, he's gonna have his best season.

456
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: This coaching staff likes size for their receivers. I think

457
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 3: they also value having a smaller receiver. I think they

458
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 3: were trying to figure out same with the previous coaching staff,

459
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: how could you get the most out of Rondell Moore?

460
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: And I think just where you know, in terms of

461
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: players being drafted and maybe that coming into play, I

462
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: don't think Dortsch was ever really gonna have true opportunities

463
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: on offense on a consistent basis. And now that that

464
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: role does belong to Greg Dortch. I really think that

465
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: we're going to see a lot of opportunities that we

466
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: haven't even seen him be been given in previous years.

467
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: And having that trust and that confidence there, and again,

468
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 3: if Marvin Harrison Junior, Michael Wilson and Trey McBride are

469
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: going to take a lot of the attention, and then

470
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 3: you're right, you've got James Connor in the backfield. I've

471
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: been saying this, If it's Greg Dortch who's getting you

472
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: those extra yardage and is moving the chains like, so

473
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: be it. If that's what it takes, then I'm game

474
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: four it.

475
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 2: And on third down he was a reliable target, like

476
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: you know, you could tell Kyler trusts him when there

477
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: are money moments, big moments in the game you need

478
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: that third and eight, he'd never hesitated to throw it

479
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: to Greg Dorch. And to what degree does a receiver

480
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: roy have to earn a quarterback's trust? Is that real?

481
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 5: Oh? Are you kidding me? Of course it is, of

482
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: course it is. It's about confidence.

483
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: And that's some things that I'm hearing about and understanding

484
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: what's going on here. And Harrison's talked about and Wilson's

485
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 4: has talked about they spend a lot of time together,

486
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: you know, away from football. You know, to understand that

487
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: it's a it's a relationship. It's not only football, but

488
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: it's just a relationship. A trusting guy and to like

489
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: a guy. You know, if I don't like a guy,

490
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: you don't give me no ball, you know, that kind

491
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: of thing. But yeah, they believe in one another. And

492
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 4: if you know, as a quarterback, now, when they expect

493
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 4: you to be at a point at a yardist an area,

494
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 4: and if you're not there in particular, young guy, and

495
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: you're not there, you're not getting any more balls. You

496
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 4: just that we've had a problem. I guess I won't

497
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: call his name, but this young guy that got drafted

498
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: real good, got a lot of ability, a whole lot

499
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: of ability, and he turned out to be for a

500
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 4: couple of years, did really well for us. But his

501
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: first year not being at the right place, just a

502
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: couple of times in our first game, it was about

503
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: three or four weeks, he got nothing. There was no

504
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 4: need to even put him in the game. He wasn't

505
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: gonna get it. I don't care if he was the primary.

506
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: He was not going to get it. And I understand

507
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 4: that because when you're not there, not really in the

508
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: quarterback andnot release it. What do you think is going

509
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: to happen? He's getting hit in the head and he's

510
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: not gonna do that.

511
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: Kyler said that. He said trust can be lost when

512
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: asked about that, he made that clear as well.

513
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 5: Well.

514
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: The ninety nine yard pick six that Kyler threw at

515
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: Philadelphia really wasn't Kyler's fault. If you hear Michael Wilson

516
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: tell the story, he owned it. It was a mental

517
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: error by Michael Wilson. He wasn't in the right spot

518
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: and he thanked Kyler after the game cinema text said, Hey,

519
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: thank you for coming back to me at the end

520
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: of the game for what was the game when he

521
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: touched down in the red zone he said, because you know,

522
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: I thought maybe I lost you as a rookie and

523
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: a big mental mistake cost a team of pick six.

524
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: But you know, Kyler, how critical do you think it's

525
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: been what we've seen out of Kyler this offseason as

526
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: the face of the franchise, as the franchise quarterback, the

527
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: highest paid guy, you know, the position he plays, the

528
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: fact that he has spent a lot of quality time

529
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: with his teammates on and off the field, and even

530
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: on the weekends thrown with some of the receivers on.

531
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: Their own time.

532
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: I mean, how much does that translate into a win

533
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: loss record at the end of the day, Roy.

534
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 5: Sure it does, it does.

535
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: But you know, for Kyler, you know, even two years ago,

536
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: you know, just lash everybody, somebody is he a franchise quarterback?

537
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: What I've been knowing this from the first day. There's

538
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: no question that he is. But yeah, now the opportunity

539
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: that he spends more time, they all get together. It

540
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: seems everybody's very comfortable with him. They they love one another.

541
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 4: You can tell they love one another because you don't

542
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 4: spend time with guys away from practice, away from the

543
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 4: stadium of other places. When you spend a lot of

544
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: time together, you actually and did care for a guy.

545
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 4: And that's what's happening. So now what do you think

546
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: they're doing when they together? All the time? They're talking football.

547
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 4: They're talking football. You know, when we spend and we

548
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 4: would go out to different dinners or going wherever we went,

549
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 4: there was a lot of time was talking about football

550
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: or this particular team. Man, we got to beat them,

551
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: you know what we got you always talking about it,

552
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: and I think that that's one of the reasons that

553
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 4: we're going to be a much better football team there

554
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: are just because of the relationships.

555
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: It's interesting, it really is, And you're right, You're right.

556
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: Guys aren't hanging out together off the field unless there

557
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: is a genuine, you know, enthusiasm, you know, within the team,

558
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: and James Connor and Will Hernandez among others, have been

559
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: very blunt about how certain guys are no longer on

560
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: this team for certain reasons. You know that go into

561
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: team building and when everyone's all in Danny and I

562
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: think it's palpable. Nobody knows how that's going to translate

563
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: into the win loss record, but it's definitely a different

564
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: climate around the team in twenty twenty four.

565
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean even for anybody listening who's

566
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: ever played organized sports at any level, right, Like, you know,

567
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: the feeling the difference of a team when everybody is

568
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: there with the same mindset, right, and you want to

569
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: play your best for other people. And that doesn't just

570
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: happen when you're in the pros, right, Like a lot

571
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: of people can relate to that, So that makes sense.

572
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: And when you're hearing players say, Hey, if my franchise

573
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: quarterback is out here at voluntary workouts, I have no

574
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: excuse to not be at voluntary workouts. So the things

575
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: that Kyler is doing and how he has stepped up

576
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: as a leader, which is so much more than just

577
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: what you're saying in the locker room. It really is

578
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: what you're doing on the field and off the field.

579
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: I really think that's going to help transcend not just

580
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: this offense, but team as a whole.

581
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: Well, anybody who has a job, right, you either like

582
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: going to your job or you don't. And if you

583
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: don't like going to your job, it's most definitely a job. Yeah,

584
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: but if you like going then okay, maybe it's more

585
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: than a job. It is and this is how guys

586
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: make their living. So Roy jetstring Green, as we come

587
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: down the stretch here, let me ask you this. There's

588
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: a couple of guys late round pick right, Tejon Palmer

589
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: round six out of UAB and then you have Xavier Weaver,

590
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: who has a lot of a claim. They had a

591
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: lot of competition for Xavier Weaver out of Colorado Cardinals. Really,

592
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: they paid a handsome price for an undrafted rookie to

593
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: get him to sign on the line that has dotted.

594
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: So if you're a guy at the very end of

595
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: the roster, rookie, what do they have to do during

596
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: training camp, during the preseason to make a run at

597
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: a roster spot.

598
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 4: Don't miss anytime, Please, don't miss anytime. Be on time

599
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: to soak in all you can from the offense, because

600
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: what we just talked about earlier, be at the right

601
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: place at the right time if you want an opportunity.

602
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: You know, this is an opportunity for us. And you know,

603
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: as we talked about earlier, there's a couple of guys

604
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: going that's the spot. You know, there's this spot, but

605
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: there's some other places, another way that you can make

606
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: make a contribution, to be that guy that, hey, if

607
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: somebody gets nicked up, I have an opportunity. So you

608
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: got to play with that opportunity. But yeah, first and foremost,

609
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: you got to be available. You have to be there

610
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: at the right place at the right time.

611
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: All right, So how is the golf game? Roy?

612
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 5: You know, come on, really, I suck.

613
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: When when you know I was gonna say that's a

614
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: good one. Or his other go to is when you

615
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: shank a shot or you know, you mis hit a ball,

616
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: you usually blame Ronnie Lott, right right.

617
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: You know it is, he know it is, you know

618
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: it is. You know, but you know I have the

619
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: thing every time or when I lose. I know that

620
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: what Michael would always say whenever I beat him, he said,

621
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: you ain't beat me. I beat myself. Nobody's ever beat him.

622
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 4: So that's where I take that. Now, nobody's beat me, nobody,

623
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, I beat myself.

624
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: I like that.

625
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's great.

626
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: That's that's the ultimate name drop right there, Michael. Oh

627
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: my goodness. How often do you play with fits? Over

628
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: the years? How often have you play golf with fits?

629
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: Because they don't play me anymore? He thinks he's so

630
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: better than me, and that makes me so mad, you know.

631
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: But he did win at Pebble Beach. He did win

632
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: the pro am.

633
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know before you know, like now, my

634
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: hands shake and I'm old and I don't move. I'm

635
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: not as strong as more so he has an opportunity now,

636
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: so you know he's to understanding that. But you know

637
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: that's okay. Next time I play with him, he's going

638
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: to get deep. He's going to get deep.

639
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: Well. Two of the greatest and Cardinals history, Larry Fitzgerald

640
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: and Roy Jetstream. Thank you for the time right.

641
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 5: I was great seeing you. I was wonderful good to

642
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 5: see you too.

643
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: Much more fun than Darren.

644
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: But don't tell him, please, don't everybody telling.

645
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,920
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