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Speaker 1: Previously on We The Young House.

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Speaker 2: Phoenix continues to deal with heat desks. I mean they're

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Speaker 2: in the hundreds typically in our city. The New York

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Speaker 2: Times covered it last year extensively because we have one

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Speaker 2: of the first chief Heat officers for the city of Phoenix,

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Speaker 2: which manages this issue, and the unhoused population is one

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Speaker 2: of the most affected by it. And you're right, you know,

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Speaker 2: it is so crucial that that even just access to

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're out one hundred and seventeen degree attempt,

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Speaker 2: which is are high today, you can only be out

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Speaker 2: in that so long, especially if you've got a health

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Speaker 2: condition or something else. You know, there's there's always something

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Speaker 2: else going on that makes harder. The resources are there,

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Speaker 2: but they're not always the easiest to access, and people

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Speaker 2: don't always know about.

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Speaker 3: So welcome to We the In House. I'm your host,

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Speaker 3: Theo Henderson. Brace yourself. We have a lot to cover

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Speaker 3: this week. As California continues to be singled out by

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration. ICE has employed many illegal tactics, which

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Speaker 3: in turn has caused panic, chaos, anger.

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Speaker 1: And fear.

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Speaker 3: The aim of this episode is to lay out the

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Speaker 3: facts and to provide you with some ways to resist.

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Speaker 3: But first on House News. I was on the ground

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Speaker 3: at Glendale Memorial Hospital on Monday, July seventh, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: to report on this first story, a press conference about

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Speaker 3: the kidnapping of Malageral Sola's Portillo by ice in Sherman

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Speaker 3: Oaks on Thursday, July three, twenty twenty five. Despite obvious

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Speaker 3: She is now being treated at Glendale Memorial Hospital for

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Speaker 3: extensive injuries. I took time to interview Senators Sasha Renee Perez,

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Speaker 3: who quickly sprung into action to help miss Partilla.

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Speaker 1: Here's our talk. Just wanted to answer a few questions.

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Speaker 4: How did you get involved in the situation here?

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Speaker 5: There were members of the community that reached out from

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Speaker 5: my office directly on Friday afternoon and had informed me

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Speaker 5: about what was happening, and that's how we became aware

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Speaker 5: of this situation. And you know, we just had it

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Speaker 6: That's pretty much it.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that as a citizen we should do?

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Speaker 3: Who should we really rattle the change to stop this

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Speaker 3: kind of behavior.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think one is like people need to

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Speaker 5: speak out just as they are right now. Continuing to

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: I think her family was not able to gain access

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Speaker 5: to see her when they first were contacting her on Thursday,

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Speaker 5: And it is because community members here reaching out to

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Speaker 5: my office that I was able to ask for her

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Speaker 5: inside kind of sure that she was able to meet

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Speaker 5: with her family, And that would not have happened if

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Speaker 5: residents hadn't got together and said, hey, you know, this

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Speaker 5: is an issue. You know we need sport, so you know,

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Speaker 5: it makes it difference. And I think her also knowing

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Speaker 5: that there are people out here supporting her is really important.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I've heard directly from her family that she's very scared,

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Speaker 5: you know, and rightfully so.

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Speaker 3: So I was going to say too, because I think

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Speaker 3: it's so important. I'm so gratified to see that you

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Speaker 3: were able to spring into action.

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Speaker 1: Is this are you?

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Speaker 3: It seems like you're willing to step in to help

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Speaker 3: people that are going through this.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way do.

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Speaker 3: You contact your office or do you have a your

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Speaker 3: web page or there are any tips if they find

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, folks.

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Speaker 5: Are free to contact my office, like to directly curve

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Speaker 5: my website. They can also call in and call our

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Speaker 5: office as well and my district representatives, you know, like

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Speaker 5: a curlist here. They do an excellent job of just

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Speaker 5: staying in touch with the community.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: People reach out to me through all sorts of methods

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Speaker 5: and we respond all sorts of ways.

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Speaker 6: So it's it's very important.

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Speaker 5: To me, especially as as a Latino woman, as you know,

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Speaker 5: the granddaughter of immigrants, to be very president went.

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Speaker 3: Is there any current legislations that your guys got going

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Speaker 3: set this back to where President Biden did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we actually have a policy moving that I

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Speaker 5: can't remember the bill number right now, but we do

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Speaker 5: to make it so that it's very clear that hospitals

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Speaker 5: do not have to provide access not to immigration enforcement

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Speaker 5: court order and clarifying that in law, our laws actually

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Speaker 5: don't touch upon this situation because we've never had something

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Speaker 5: like this happen. The bread and administration had previously declared

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Speaker 5: these spaces safe spaces, and so this is very new

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Speaker 5: territory for us, which is part of the reason why

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Speaker 5: we introduce the bill. You know, I can only speak

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Speaker 5: for myself that this is the first space like this

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Speaker 5: that I've heard of since we began working on this legislation,

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Speaker 5: and it may be the first case of this is

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Speaker 4: I actually reached up to the governor.

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Speaker 7: I let him know about this as well, and we're

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Speaker 7: very closely monitoring this situation to see not only you know,

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Speaker 7: what happens, but to see how we can and improve

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Speaker 7: the law that we're working on so we'll get stronger.

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Speaker 1: Well, Senator, I've taken up much of your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for showing up and thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to Senator

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Speaker 3: sache Rene Prez. We will be returning back to the

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Speaker 3: press conference shortly on why it was necessary and what

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Speaker 3: the issues are at hand. But first, these type of

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Speaker 3: behaviors and punitative actions exist in tandem. The link between

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Speaker 3: the undocumented and the unhoused treatment is very similar. Instead

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Speaker 3: of the federal government swooping in and kidnapping, thus destroying

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Speaker 3: the lives and families of those attacked, our city and

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Speaker 3: state governments enfolds punitive legislation to target another vulnerable segment

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Speaker 3: of our society, and that is the unhoused community. So,

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Speaker 3: without further ado, here are weed in houses top five

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Speaker 3: punitive actions against the end house.

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Speaker 1: Let's begin Number five.

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles Municipal Ordinance forty one eighteen was amended in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. At the time an impact of twenty

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Speaker 3: enforcement zones. I've been speaking out against forty one eighteen

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Speaker 3: for many years. Here's an educational cartoon I did with

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Speaker 3: fellow producer Katie Fischiel with WHEDI and Howse, released all

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Speaker 3: the way back in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's been not realed. Come forty one eighteen.

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Speaker 3: What's forty one eighteen D It's the specific elle municipal

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Speaker 3: code that city council members are trying to.

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Speaker 4: Amend so that mon house people like you, Yes, you

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Speaker 4: would be arrested for city sleeping or lie down outside.

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Speaker 1: Who you want to leave you count?

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Speaker 3: And here's Paula Jurass speaking in favor of forty one

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Speaker 3: to eighteen asking for.

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Speaker 8: A five hundred foot perimeter is not terribly large, but

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Speaker 8: it is a step in the right direction to ensure

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Speaker 8: the safety of our children.

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Speaker 3: Moving on to number four, Lorda, Governor Rond De Santis

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Speaker 3: passes the thirteen sixty five bill criminalizing unhoused people. Beginning

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Speaker 3: in October twenty twenty four. There are currently twenty five thousand,

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Speaker 3: nine hundred and fifty nine unhoused Lordians who are affected

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Speaker 3: by this bill.

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Speaker 9: Signing House built thirteen sixty five into law today at

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Speaker 9: a South Beach Greek restaurant, Governor Ron de Santis joined

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Speaker 9: by Miami Beach Mayor Stephen Minor and state lawmakers.

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Speaker 10: These homeless camps overwhelm just the quality of life too often.

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Speaker 10: It's like people in other states and other cities around

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Speaker 10: inmates run the asylum.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't work. For number three, we head back to California.

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Speaker 3: In June twenty twenty five, Governor Gavin Newsom orders an

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Speaker 3: encampment ban.

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Speaker 11: In his own words, it is time to take back

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Speaker 11: the streets, it's time to take back the sidewalks. It's

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Speaker 11: time to take these encampments and provide alternatives.

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Speaker 4: And the state is giving you more resources than.

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Speaker 11: Ever and it's time, I think, to just end the

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Speaker 6: It's about accountability.

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Speaker 1: Number two.

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Speaker 3: As of July twenty twenty two and Tennessee, it is

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Speaker 3: unhoused and sleeping on public land. Here's a quote from

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Speaker 3: engaging in open air drug markets.

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Speaker 9: And I actually personally know three people who've passed away

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Speaker 9: in the last four months. It is not like any

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Speaker 9: other tent city or homeless encampment. We have a full

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Speaker 9: blown open air drug market.

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Speaker 3: And before we get to number one, here are some

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Speaker 3: honorable mentions. Here is in themb Art gallery spraying water

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Speaker 3: an unhoused woman in Los Angeles. An unhoused woman gets

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Speaker 3: slapped at a taco bell in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: There you go, right there, that was a slap.

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Speaker 8: The victim, believed to be homeless, is being looked for

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Speaker 4: Taco Bell has yet to issue public statement.

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Speaker 3: In Lancaster, California, the mayor calls for the death of

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Speaker 4: I want to do is I want to give them

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Speaker 1: That's what I want and at number one.

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Speaker 3: Earlier this year, San Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie passed the

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Speaker 12: Well, in a couple of the parks that you're mentioning,

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Speaker 12: those parks have now been reclaimed for the neighborhood. We

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Speaker 8: Of course, the question is, you know, is that a

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Speaker 4: Just moving somewhere else.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's funny people always say, well, if they move

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Speaker 12: somewhere else, you know, has it improved. Well, it's improved

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Speaker 12: for that neighborhood. And we're going to be relentless for

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Speaker 12: the next three and a half years on this topic.

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Speaker 1: And that's our top five.

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Speaker 3: With all that in mind, let us return to the

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Speaker 3: press conference in Glendale regarding the ICE kidnapping. A malageral,

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Speaker 3: To further intimidate Miss Portillo, here are her comments.

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Speaker 8: We don't need to be worrying about vice agents roaming

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Speaker 8: around or sitting intimidating our patients. They're here to heal,

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Speaker 8: and we vehemably oppose the Trump administration rolled back of

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Speaker 8: it being a safe place to heal. Every patient has

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Speaker 8: a right to the care that they need and deserve,

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Speaker 8: and as nurses, we're going to stand up and fight

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Speaker 8: for that night, and I'm going to keep his grief.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to say, you take on one of us,

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Speaker 6: you take on all of us. Who take on one

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Speaker 8: We take care of all patients here. Whoever walks in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks so much to you It's always good to

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Speaker 3: Thank you again. It's like I say, it's always a pleasure. Pascal.

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Speaker 4: I've been an immigration attorney most of my career, which

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Speaker 4: It's been a really crazy, frightening time. I've never in

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Speaker 4: In the twenties there was a red scare, and in

439
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Speaker 4: the thirties there was a massive deportation, so many, many,

440
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Speaker 4: many US citizens were deported in Mexico. But this is bad.

441
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Speaker 4: This is as bad as it's been in my career,

442
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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to bring another connective link to the situation too.

444
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Speaker 3: A few episodes ago, I had did a story and

445
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Speaker 3: I wanted to show a similarity and I was so

446
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: outraged at the time. And this was before ICE had

447
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: picked up its momentum. There was a community, an unhouse community, elderly,

448
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Speaker 3: mostly elderly, unhused community out in Elmonte, and they decided

449
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Speaker 3: to sweep them. And I'm going to give you the

450
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Speaker 3: backdrop and show you how at the time there was

451
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Speaker 3: not too much of an urgency. But when I went

452
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Speaker 3: out there personally, I went out there, it was during

453
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Speaker 3: the heat wave the place, and I have existing health

454
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Speaker 3: issues and disabilities. It was the most difficult place. I

455
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Speaker 3: would not have tried to live there because I've been

456
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Speaker 3: unhoused before and I would not have tried to live there.

457
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Speaker 3: But this place had uneven terrain and they were deep

458
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Speaker 3: into the woods. And the law enforcement had taken to

459
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Speaker 3: this area and was pushing them out. Now, what makes

460
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Speaker 3: that even much worse is the fact that these people were.

461
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Speaker 1: My parents and grandparents' age. These were not like my age.

462
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Speaker 3: These were not people were able to move on a

463
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Speaker 3: dime of move quickly, to move along, like when you

464
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Speaker 3: see them coming sweeping people, you know. And they were

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Speaker 3: giving them shorter ejection times because usually when they sweep

466
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Speaker 3: on house people, they usually give ten to fifteen minutes

467
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Speaker 3: at the most, maybe thirty minutes to amble your stuff

468
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Speaker 3: out or get your assistance and whatever. They were discouraging recordings,

469
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Speaker 3: were discouraging people from helping them. They said that they

470
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Speaker 3: gave offered shelter, they offered services, and that's they always

471
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Speaker 3: say excuses. But the thing is they were pushing the

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Speaker 3: elderly community to move fast in one hundred and something

473
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Speaker 3: degree heat, which it infuriated me so much that I

474
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Speaker 3: really spent time on that episode because it really ticked

475
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Speaker 3: me off. It was because so much was going on

476
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Speaker 3: at that time, but I wanted people to understand the

477
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Speaker 3: fear that was going on, the distress and the unreasonableness

478
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Speaker 3: of it. And this was on the wings of the

479
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Speaker 3: grant's past ruling, but also what was not shown and

480
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Speaker 3: it portended. I wish I had, you know, had connected

481
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Speaker 3: the dots sooner. Many of the elderly and the un

482
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Speaker 3: housed community would sneak back to the areas that they

483
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Speaker 3: were in, but at night they had our law enforcement,

484
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Speaker 3: our sheriffs, our police officers would go down and hunt

485
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Speaker 3: them down, to go and try to arrest them or

486
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Speaker 3: what do they call them, trespass them or evict them,

487
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Speaker 3: whatever it is that they do to start the arrest

488
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Speaker 3: and to seize their properties and things like that to

489
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Speaker 3: discourage them from moving back. Now that sounds familiar to

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Speaker 3: what's going on now, and I want our listeners that

491
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Speaker 3: are understandably and justifiably upset about what's going on with

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Speaker 3: the immigration and the ICE conversation, but also understand this

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Speaker 3: is not something that we have not seen before. If

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Speaker 3: you understand how they've attacked the vulnerable communities like the

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Speaker 3: young house, if they're doing this to us in a

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Speaker 3: local area, our own local law enforcement, which also I'm

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Speaker 3: going to bring another question up later, but that is

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Speaker 3: indicative of what they believe of poor and vulnerable people

499
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Speaker 3: and how it's so easy to get fear to sweep

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Speaker 3: up people, and it's so easy to justify their actions.

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Speaker 3: The reason that this time is unhelps. People are service

502
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Speaker 3: resistant and I've hear some boot liquors, I mean, or

503
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: people say, you know, if you came in here regularly,

504
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Speaker 3: then then you wouldn't have you wouldn't have these problems,

505
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: or you are criminals. There there's only half for the criminals,

506
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Speaker 3: and it's so easy to create craft a narrative to

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Speaker 3: justify injustice. I always say, if you can demonize the people,

508
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Speaker 3: then you can criminalize them. So my next question is

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Speaker 3: is there things that our communities can do legally to

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Speaker 3: protect ourselves, like our rights, certain things like that.

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Speaker 1: I'll hand that off to.

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Speaker 6: Kath Sure, and I'll tag team this with pusual because

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Speaker 6: Pusqual is really the expert on immigrants rights. Okay, I'll

514
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Speaker 6: kind of give an overview of if you see a

515
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Speaker 6: civil rights violation, what to do, and then I'll pass

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Speaker 6: it to Puswal for immigrants rights perfect and also what

517
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Speaker 6: to do if you counter LA enforcement. So one thing

518
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Speaker 6: that we can all do to show up in solidarity

519
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 6: if you see civil rights violations is to be an

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00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 6: effective bystander. Right, so you see something, document it. And

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00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 6: the effective way to do that is if you see

522
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Speaker 6: you know, an officer, an ice agent, you see you know,

523
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 6: police using excessive force violating people's rights, you know, you

524
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Speaker 6: can make a powerful impact because your presence alone can

525
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Speaker 6: sometimes deter civil rights violations. Just being watched, knowing that

526
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Speaker 6: there's someone with a camera right there can sometimes stop

527
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Speaker 6: civil rights violation. But if you get that footage, that

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Speaker 6: can be really helpful to somebody, either in a criminal

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Speaker 6: case or in a civil case afterwards. So my recommendation

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Speaker 6: is if you you know, if you see something, get

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Speaker 6: out your phone camera right away. Aim it at the officers,

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Speaker 6: not at the individual. You know, if you're at an

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Speaker 6: encampment rate, for example, don't aim your camera at on

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Speaker 6: housed books. I would aim the camera, you know, directly

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Speaker 6: at the officers and then collect information about what happened.

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Speaker 6: Collect the officer's name, get you know, any witness information.

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Speaker 6: That's one of the biggest things that I see as

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Speaker 6: people forget to get witness information. There might be you know,

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Speaker 6: ten people who saw the civil rights violation take place.

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Speaker 6: But if you don't have people's names and contact information,

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Speaker 6: you know, all those witnesses go home. You know, forget

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Speaker 6: about what happened, so you really need to collect their

543
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Speaker 6: contact information right there on the spot. So that's one

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Speaker 6: way that you can be really effective. And just remember

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Speaker 6: you have the right to photograph and film police when

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Speaker 6: you're in public. They can't take away your camera, they

547
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 6: can't delete your photos and videos. If police ask to

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Speaker 6: see your camera, say I don't consent to a search.

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Speaker 6: So that's one way that you can be a really

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Speaker 6: effective bystander to help when you see a civil rights violation.

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Speaker 6: And I'm going to turn it over to my friend

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Speaker 6: Pascual to talk more about know your rights and what

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Speaker 6: you can actually do when encountered by law enforcement or ice.

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Speaker 4: Nice thanks kath Well. In terms of immigrants, it's important

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Speaker 4: for immigrants and I think a lot of people know

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Speaker 4: this now. There's been a lot of community education around

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Speaker 4: these issues since these It's always gone on, but it's

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Speaker 4: really intensified since these ice rates have started, and people

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Speaker 4: now understand they have a right to remain silent, you know,

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Speaker 4: when the ice is going around knocking on doors. Were

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Speaker 4: met talking about that going into apartment buildings. People have

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Speaker 4: a right to not open their doors, right they have

563
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Speaker 4: to show a warrant, a federal warrant, not an ICE

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Speaker 4: warrant to enter the home.

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Speaker 3: What's the difference between an ICE warrant and a federal warrant?

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Speaker 3: And how can we identify understand that because I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: know the difference.

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Speaker 4: It has to be signed by a judge. It to say, okay,

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Speaker 4: you know, a federal judge and not an ICE warrant

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Speaker 4: by an ICE agent. And then you can ask. You

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Speaker 4: can ask the person if they're insisting on coming in,

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Speaker 4: you can ask them to slide if they do have

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Speaker 4: a warrant, to slide it under the door or put

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Speaker 4: it up next to a window. Normally they don't have warrants.

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Speaker 4: They don't go and get warrants to do something, but

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Speaker 4: they try to intimidate people. People they are Inuicier responses

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Speaker 4: as always, well, it's a law enforcement person, I better

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Speaker 4: open the door. I'm going to get in trouble, right

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Speaker 4: Or if they open the door a little bit to

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Speaker 4: speak to the officer, they're just going to push their

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Speaker 4: way in and then lie about it later. That's that's

582
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Speaker 4: just a fact. That's what's going to happen. So people

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Speaker 4: have to understand they're in their own home unless there's

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Speaker 4: a warrant, they have a right to not open the door.

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Speaker 4: One question that came up is what about an unhoused

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Speaker 4: person and an ICE. If an ice asient is approaching

587
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Speaker 4: a tent, is there a right to not you know,

588
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Speaker 4: unzip the entrance to the tent. Is it like being

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Speaker 4: in a home? And maybe Kath can talk about that later.

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Speaker 4: But if people are on the street, likewise ICE approaches them,

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Speaker 4: you know, the standard for them approaching somebody and just

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Speaker 4: initiating a conversation, I think it's like reasonable suspicion that

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Speaker 4: there's a person is here unlawfully. It's a very low,

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Speaker 4: low standard. So they can approach people and start talking.

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Speaker 4: But that person that they're approaching has a right to

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Speaker 4: remain silent. They don't have to give their name, they

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Speaker 4: don't have to give their immigration status. And again, like

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Speaker 4: I was saying, these I sells, they don't know if

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Speaker 4: somebody is a US citizen or a docoholder or a

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Speaker 4: Green card holder. They don't know by the color of

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Speaker 4: their skin that they're undocumented. So people have a right

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Speaker 4: to remain silent. And I mean, I want to be

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Speaker 4: realistic about this too. They have a right to remain silent.

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Speaker 4: But with the tactics that they're using now, they're not

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Speaker 4: going to listen to that. And most of the time

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Speaker 4: they are not going to listen, they'll still arrest somebody.

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Speaker 4: If anything, they might get more aggressive if somebody possibly

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Speaker 4: tries to assert their rights, but they should assert their rights,

609
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: make a record of it, and they really shouldn't. They

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Speaker 4: would have no probable cause to arrest somebody if it

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Speaker 4: was just based on what they look like. They should

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Speaker 4: maintain their silence, and perhaps later if they end up

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Speaker 4: getting into immigration proceedings, their lawyer can file emotion to

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Speaker 4: suppress any statements that they actually were coerced into making. Right,

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Speaker 4: And it's similar to a criminal proceeding. If someone is

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Speaker 4: arrested and they find some kind of control substance as

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Speaker 4: a result of coersion and an arrest without a warrant,

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Speaker 4: evidence could be suppressed. It's the same thing with immigrants,

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Speaker 4: right if they make statements after being coursed, after the

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Speaker 4: person has repeatedly tried to maintain their silence. It's not

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Speaker 4: as easy as in criminal court, but still there's an

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Speaker 4: argument that you can suppress any statements that person made

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Speaker 4: and to get proceedings dismissed. So the bullet point is

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Speaker 4: you have a right to remain silent.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with.

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Speaker 3: More from Cat and Pestqual after the break. Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: This is theo Henderson with Weed and Howes. Here's the

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Speaker 3: rest of my interview with Kath and Pesqual. Here's another

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Speaker 3: thing too, because I've been watching some of some YouTube

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Speaker 3: videos of know your rights and things like that, and

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Speaker 3: I noticed that the people would ask jump off the

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Speaker 3: bat am I un arrest or are you detaining me?

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Speaker 3: Or one of my favorite is I don't talk to cops,

634
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Speaker 3: I don't talk to police and try to leave.

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Speaker 1: Is that's still applicable for the immigrant.

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Speaker 3: Community as well, you know, like one of the guys

637
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Speaker 3: they think were targeting is that you're just trying to

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Speaker 3: fish or find something, some kind of justification to hold me.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be held. I got to go

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Speaker 1: and tried to leave.

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Speaker 3: Of course that cost other issues, but I wanted to

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Speaker 3: know if that's a possibility for the community to do

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 4: Well. Yeah, unless they're under if they're not under arrest,

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Speaker 4: they have a right to walk away, you know. The

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Speaker 4: predat is I mean, just to be realistic in this

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Speaker 4: climate that's not going to work. Most of the time,

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Speaker 4: these people would just run after in the Ice officers

649
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Speaker 4: would just run after him, cackle, and that they have

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Speaker 4: to even though there are any evidence of the status

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Speaker 4: of the person. Okay, so I want to be realistic

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Speaker 4: about that. It's not I don't want to be like

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Speaker 4: talking about legal rights you know that are illusory, that

654
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 4: they're there, but ice tramples on those rights. At this point,

655
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: I just want to to say, and you probably are

656
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: familiar with this too, a lot of the nonprofits have

657
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: distributed a small card with these rights, the right to

658
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: remains silence, not to open the door unless there's a warrant,

659
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 4: not to sign anything. If I asked you to sign something,

660
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 4: as often it could be to agree to deportation. They're

661
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 4: red cards, and people are calling them. You've seen these

662
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 4: right and people in the immigrant community now I've never

663
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 4: heard they say, oh, yeah, I have a red card

664
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: or red card. It really thousands of these have been

665
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 4: distributed all over the community and it's great to see it.

666
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 4: People are really kind of standing up for themselves and

667
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 4: defending themselves and not just being coerced.

668
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: So which brings another question. Kath a while ago, I

669
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: knew if they were recording outfee since and inappropriate coercion

670
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 3: kind of tactics. Is there somewhere that they can send

671
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: this information to let the world know or let legal

672
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: counsel know in order to help them, because you know

673
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: the ones that are being started, which I also want

674
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: to be realistic too, it is not the same as

675
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: you're going to jail down and down Central Station, Downtown

676
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: Men's jail.

677
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: They're not sending them there.

678
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 3: They're sending them to outposts or places that they have strategically,

679
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: and they're not giving the same processing systems and rights

680
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: that if a LAPD was to arrest you, you know

681
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: you're going to be booked, your information is going to

682
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: be posted somewhere, and you're going to be able to

683
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: as a chain where they are. And that is not

684
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: what's going on with with ICE. You can be snatched,

685
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 3: and let's even be even more frank, if you're unhoused,

686
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: and you know the difficulty even with local law enforcement

687
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: tearing up and throwing it with your IDs and your

688
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: personal papers, and the ICE comes up on you and

689
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: snatches you, the chances of finding you or getting you know,

690
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: locating you is even much more steeper.

691
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Speaker 1: So, you know, I just wanted to point that out.

692
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: Is there a spot where they could dump an audio

693
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 3: or videos, you know, in a place where a CEO you.

694
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Speaker 6: Could do so you ceiling, you used to have a

695
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 6: central repository. It doesn't anymore. So it's going to depend

696
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 6: on the person's situation. But I'll just give an example,

697
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 6: because sometimes an example is the most helpful. Last Monday,

698
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 6: I was walking at night in my neighborhood and I

699
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 6: saw an unhoused man who was being searched by the police.

700
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 6: And you know, the police cars were there. The police

701
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 6: were out of the car and they were doing a

702
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 6: pat down search. But I saw them going into his pockets, right,

703
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 6: which is crossing the line from a pat down search.

704
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 6: You know, that's that's crossing the line from a stop

705
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 6: and frisk into like an actual search. So I got

706
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 6: on my cell phone camera real quick start recording, and

707
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 6: you know, I just said something like, you know, I

708
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 6: see that you don't have consent for that search, right,

709
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 6: And so I documented for maybe four to five minutes,

710
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 6: get the whole encounter focused on the officers, right. And

711
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 6: after that video, I sent a copy of that video

712
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 6: to the public. Defender's office, because I figured that anyone

713
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 6: who is charged with the misdemeanor or felony is going

714
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 6: to have a public defender. So I send it to

715
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 6: the public defenders here where I live in San Diego,

716
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 6: and they said they're going to send it to the

717
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 6: appropriate point of contact for you know, the man's attorney.

718
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 6: So it depends on the person, but you really want

719
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 6: to try to get it to the person who's impacted

720
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 6: and their attorney. That's really where you want to get

721
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 6: the footage. And just to piggyback really quickly on that,

722
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 6: you were just talking about some catchphrases that people can

723
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 6: sort of memorize. I think that there's a few that

724
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 6: are really helpful. You were talking about asking am I

725
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 6: free to go? I think that's a really helpful one,

726
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: and I think that applies to anyone, right, you know,

727
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 6: in the immigration context and police contexts, because that tells

728
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: you what kind of encounter you're having. You know, if

729
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 6: police are detaining you, you want to know that, right,

730
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 6: and if you're free to go, you want to know

731
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 6: that so you can just walk away. So that's a

732
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 6: good one to remember. It's just am I free to go? Also,

733
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 6: I don't want to answer any questions, or I'm exercising

734
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Speaker 6: my right to remain silent, whatever you want to say

735
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 6: to indicate I am remaining silent. It's better to actually

736
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 6: state that than staying silent, because then you're making a record, right,

737
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 6: So if you put that on the record, I don't

738
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 6: want to answer your questions, I'm remaining silent. That's a

739
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 6: really good way to make the record. Also, if you're

740
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 6: in custody and you're being asked questions, say I want

741
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 6: a lawyer. That invokes your sixth Amendment right, and it's

742
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 6: supposed to stop the questioning. So law enforcement is supposed

743
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 6: to stop questioning you at that point. And then if

744
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 6: there's any kind of search, doesn't matter what kind, search

745
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 6: of your tent, a search of your bag, a search

746
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 6: of your car, anything like that. I do not consent

747
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 6: to a search. And you can say it again and

748
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 6: again and again, I do not consent to a search.

749
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 6: It may not stop the search because, as Pusquo was saying,

750
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 6: you know, we know that people's rights are violated all

751
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 6: the time, but it helps build a record because the

752
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 6: thing is a lot of times police will say, oh,

753
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 6: I had consent for that oh, I asked to see

754
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 6: the bag and they handed it to me. So they

755
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 6: agreed to show me their bag. You're making a record.

756
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 6: No I don't consent to this, and that's going to

757
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 6: be helpful later on. It'll protect your rights later, even

758
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 6: if it doesn't stop the search.

759
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Perfect. Perfect.

760
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: Yah. Can I ask a question, Rre. You know, if

761
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Speaker 4: if that is happening, is a video taken by a

762
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Speaker 4: bystander or a legal observer, could they have be good

763
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: evidence in court of the person exercising their constitutional rights

764
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: to remain silent?

765
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Speaker 6: I think so, yeah, absolutely, Like for example, the video

766
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 6: I was talking about from last Monday, you know, the

767
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 6: man in question was clearly detained, he was in handcuffs.

768
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 6: He was saying what are you doing? You know, stop that,

769
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 6: you know to the officer. So he was clearly not consenting.

770
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 6: He didn't use those exact words, he didn't say I

771
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 6: don't consent, but you know it was clear that there

772
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 6: was no consent there, right, and so video would indicate

773
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 6: that and especially we want to make a record.

774
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it could also be like like you know,

775
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 4: National Lawyers Go has legal observers going to a lot

776
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: of these ice demonstrations and they could be videoing, they

777
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 4: could be taking notes about what happened and later they

778
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 4: could be witnesses as well.

779
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: Perfect which also up bring up quickly about in LG

780
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: has legal observers, they're usually coming to the staging areas

781
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: or trying to anticipate where ICE is going to be

782
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: to stop or basically watch what's going on. And that's

783
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: another too, if you don't know what National lawyers guilt.

784
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: If I'm correct, that's a group of lawyers that are

785
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: out fighting injustice as well as this situation warrant and

786
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: they have other tactics and tools to look into as well.

787
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: But to quickly segue into one of the things that

788
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 3: what's been going on, we've already established that this is

789
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: an unprecedented time. There's a lot of anxiety and a

790
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: lot of fears and things. They're going after unhoused people

791
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: and shelters. In fact, in San Diego's they arrested to

792
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: unhoused people when they're going into the shelters. I think

793
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: it was in a parking lot of somewhere else. So

794
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: seems like this is going to be part for the course.

795
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: Is there anything else that unhoused people can do? I

796
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: know we have the red cards, and that's another possibility too.

797
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: But is there any other kind of things that they

798
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: could do to protect themselves, like, for example, the tent situation,

799
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: they're at a tent, someone speaks to them, you know,

800
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: like the local cops would try and they don't come

801
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 3: out because if they don't want to be with cops

802
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: and let's they try to get swept. You know, they

803
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: you know, they don't try not to come out. But

804
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 3: you know that does that still hold weight or hold

805
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: water in the same situation.

806
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 6: So in the tent situation, there's not a whole lot

807
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 6: of case law, but some courts have said, you know,

808
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 6: there's a right of privacy in your tent, So I

809
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 6: would certainly argue in court, and I think we should

810
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 6: all continue to argue in court, so we do build

811
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 6: up case law on this point. Okay, But you know,

812
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 6: if I were in a tent and there was an

813
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 6: ICE agent outside, I would ask for a warrant and

814
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 6: I would also state I do not consent to a search,

815
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 6: and you know, you state those things over and over again,

816
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 6: preserve your record. We know, like PSCUAL said, you know,

817
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 6: ICE is violating people's rights, so it may not stop it.

818
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 6: But certainly ask for it because it can build a

819
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 6: record and protect your rights elsewhere. And then also I

820
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 6: think just being in solidarity with one another. We know

821
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 6: that unhoused folks help one another way more than any

822
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 6: city or government or service provider ever does. So, you know,

823
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 6: I think exercise your best judgment about how to stay safe,

824
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 6: how to stay out of ICE's view. You know, it's

825
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 6: the extent you can. I know people are going to

826
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 6: extreme measures right now just to stay away from ice,

827
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 6: which is so sad, you know, But people know how

828
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 6: to keep themselves safe, people relying on each other and

829
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 6: building community to keep each other safe. Also, service providers

830
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 6: can do more to keep people safe if they are

831
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 6: in a shelter. For example, shelters can indicate which areas

832
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 6: are open to the public and which are not. And

833
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 6: then we need service providers to really pull the line

834
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 6: too and not let ice in without a warrant into

835
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 6: non public areas in a shelter.

836
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: That's an excellent point.

837
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: But also what can mutual aid groups do to help,

838
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm part of a mutual aid group,

839
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: and if they are listening in what service things like

840
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: for example, they were doing the power up when a

841
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 3: lot of the protests was going on, and what can

842
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: they do to shepherd allowing some of the un housed

843
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: to be a prize and find out how to make

844
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: sure that they're safe as well.

845
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 6: I think a couple of things. So some of the

846
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 6: mutual aid groups that I work with pass out red cards,

847
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: and I think that's just a basic thing that you know,

848
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 6: everybody can do. You know, if you're doing mutual aid,

849
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 6: include red cards for everybody. Also, I think talking with

850
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 6: unhoused folks and asking what folks are already doing, because

851
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 6: I feel like information sharing between unhoused folks. There's so

852
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 6: many creative ideas in the community, and people know how

853
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 6: to keep one another safe. And so I think really

854
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 6: like developing ideas collaboratively with the with unhoused community members

855
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 6: is a really good idea. And then also mutual aid

856
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 6: providers can probably make sure that their local service providers

857
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 6: like shelters are doing the right things, are protecting their

858
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 6: clients from ice, because that's really, you know, something where

859
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 6: service providers needs to step up and demand a warrant,

860
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 6: you know, keep non public areas, keep ice out of

861
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 6: those areas, to protect unhoused clients at their at their shelters.

862
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: Another thing that I think on house people can do

863
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 4: if they have access to a cell phone. There's different

864
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: groups that are actually tracking these ice raids in the community.

865
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: Like one is Un del Badio in La What is

866
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: again like Union del Badio you know, Union of the

867
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Speaker 4: Neighborhood or Union of the People. There's another group called

868
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Speaker 4: La Taco. They're actually like videotaping ice aggressions, ice raids

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Speaker 4: as they're happening, and people who have that app they

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Speaker 4: can find out if ICE is in their neighborhood or

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Speaker 4: close to their neighborhood. The other day, I was at

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Speaker 4: u Haul I needed to get some workers to help

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Speaker 4: me with a move and I was it was near

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Speaker 4: the home Depot center and I said, oh, that's where

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Speaker 4: the raid took place the other day, and he said yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then they also they arrested somebody in a lunch

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Speaker 4: truck as well. And then he says to me, right now,

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Speaker 4: there's an action going on in Ninth Street downtown LA.

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Speaker 4: And I said, how do you know that? And he

880
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Speaker 4: like took out his phone and went to the un

881
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Speaker 4: Bodio app and he showed me as it was happening

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Speaker 4: the raid that was going on. This is amazing and

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Speaker 4: I think there's a number of organizations doing this. It's incredible, incredible.

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Speaker 1: That's good to know.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing I did that day and I

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Speaker 4: think more people should do this. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: anybody's doing this in an organized way, but I had

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Speaker 4: to get some stuff at U haul and I started

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Speaker 4: talking to some workers. There are a couple that I

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Speaker 4: recognized a move from a couple of years ago, and

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Speaker 4: I just like, did anno your rights thing with people

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Speaker 4: right on the spot. And I think other people have

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Speaker 4: done this, but I don't know if anybody is doing

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Speaker 4: in an organized way going to these communities.

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Speaker 3: That's the next thing too, because there's been again, there's

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Speaker 3: so much that has been going on with the raids

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Speaker 3: and the spontaneity of sweeps because while the raids are

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Speaker 3: going on and house people are being swept and places

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Speaker 3: where they used to be are not where they are.

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Speaker 3: And then also because of the nature of how what's

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Speaker 3: going on with the raid on house people have trying

902
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Speaker 3: to fade into the background. For example, where I'm nearby,

903
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Speaker 3: there used to be a whole hosted tents during the day.

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Speaker 3: They're not They waited like middle of the night, come back,

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Speaker 3: it's like fifteen to twenty tenths. Then they disappear because

906
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Speaker 3: it's changing up the timing and the rhythm of how

907
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Speaker 3: the things used to be. Where they could be staying

908
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: there or they could be by they're not. They're adjusting

909
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Speaker 3: to the ever changing environment. The young House are really

910
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Speaker 3: trying to stay ahead, but also trying to stay ahead,

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Speaker 3: not only from ice, but trying to stay ahead from

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Speaker 3: law enforcement and Governor Newsom's forced encampment resolution policies and

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Speaker 3: punitative ideas too. While this is going on, I always

914
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Speaker 3: have to redirect or bring it back to This has

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Speaker 3: been going on with un the House people for some time,

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Speaker 3: and you know, we have had postings and conversations about

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Speaker 3: sweeps and things, but it's now taken to a more

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Speaker 3: of an accelerated rate with the major populace of people

919
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Speaker 3: that are in different stages of walks of life that

920
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Speaker 3: are undocumented and documented. Because you don't have to be undocumented.

921
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Speaker 3: You can be walking down the street behinding your own

922
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Speaker 3: business and they say papers and you just like, what

923
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: the hell, and you can be just snatched and whether

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Speaker 3: you're a citizen or not.

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Speaker 4: So the other thing That's that's really outrageous, is that

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Speaker 4: a lot of these these ICE officers, if that's in

927
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Speaker 4: fact what they are, they're masked. You can't even you know,

928
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Speaker 4: you don't know their identity, you don't know if they're

929
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Speaker 4: really ICE officers, And there's I can't prove this, but

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Speaker 4: I know the LA Times has talked about this, that

931
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Speaker 4: there may be people who are like crowd boys masquerading

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Speaker 4: as ICE, you know, or other individuals who are anti immigrant.

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Speaker 1: Or human trafficking.

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Speaker 3: I've heard the stories that they are not part of

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Speaker 3: all enforcement at all. They're trying human trafficking people because

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Speaker 3: this is the hysteria that's going on right now.

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Speaker 4: And also there's been talk that some of these people

938
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Speaker 4: might be bounty hunters hired by ICE to represent I

939
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Speaker 4: wouldn't doubt that. I really wouldn't doubt that. I don't

940
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Speaker 4: know if it's accurate or not, if anybody's proven it,

941
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Speaker 4: I certainly wouldn't doubt it. Especially with Trump and Stephen

942
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Speaker 4: Miller in control. They have no shame. I mean, they

943
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 4: have no respect for the law, and they have no shame.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, I think I've covered what I wanted to cover.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything that I'm missing that you guys want

946
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Speaker 3: to bring out or bring up.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not sure this could involvement on a

948
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Speaker 4: house person who is in immigration proceedings. I mean, what

949
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Speaker 4: I mentioned before is people are going in they may

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Speaker 4: have an immigration court hearing, and they're showing up in court,

951
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Speaker 4: and if they're been in the United States for less

952
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Speaker 4: than two years, they can be what's called expedited removal.

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Speaker 4: They can be like expelled. Generally, you get a right

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Speaker 4: to a hearing before you're actually deported from the country,

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Speaker 4: but if you've been here less than two years, the

956
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Speaker 4: government has a right to actually expel you without a hearing.

957
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Speaker 4: And the only thing you could do that is say,

958
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Speaker 4: f your persecution. They'd have to give you an interview

959
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 4: to determine if it's a credible fear. If it is,

960
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 4: you can apply for asylum. But otherwise they can just

961
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Speaker 4: expel you. So people who are going into court, they

962
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Speaker 4: may be applying for asylum and some other form of relief.

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Speaker 4: And if there's been there less than two years, it's

964
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Speaker 4: communicated to ICE by the ICE attorneys, the government attorneys,

965
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Speaker 4: and the attorney will move to dismiss the case. And

966
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Speaker 4: that sounds good. People are walking out thinking all the

967
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Speaker 4: case was dismissed. Well, right outside the court room, ICE

968
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Speaker 4: is there and they're arresting people, putting them in custody

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Speaker 4: and starting this procedure. And the same thing with a

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Speaker 4: lot of people who were actually brought into the country

971
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Speaker 4: allowed legally parolled in from the border to apply for asylum.

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Speaker 4: People are going to court and again the ICE attorneys

973
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Speaker 4: are moving to dismiss their cases, detaining them. And those

974
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Speaker 4: people who were permitted to come in under what's called parole,

975
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Speaker 4: they're not even entitled to a bond to be released

976
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Speaker 4: while their proceedings go through the court. So if they

977
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Speaker 4: want to perceive with their asylum case, they can do it,

978
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Speaker 4: but they're going to be detained. It's another manner of

979
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 4: career people to just give up and leave. So some

980
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Speaker 4: really outrageous things are going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for bringing out to I S. I

982
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Speaker 1: have no idea, kay, you know, I.

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Speaker 6: Just thank you for you. It's always good to be

984
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Speaker 6: with you, you know, in these trying times. And just

985
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Speaker 6: appreciate the information you get out to folks, and continue

986
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Speaker 6: to be in solidarity with one another, you know, move

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Speaker 6: forward and protect one another.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and support one another. I mean, I know a

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Speaker 4: lot of people immigrants that I've talked to, they were like,

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Speaker 4: so happy to see you know, millions of people are

991
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Speaker 4: on the United States protesting on that No King's Day.

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Speaker 4: People I've talked to, they were like, well, most people

993
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: are supporting us. It's you know, as opposed to just

994
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Speaker 4: living in fear all the time. And I think we

995
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 4: should encourage people as individuals too, and just remind them,

996
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Speaker 4: you know, don't believe what is is telling you. You know,

997
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 4: you're good people. They're the ignorant ones. They're the racist ones.

998
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Speaker 4: You're just working trying to survive, and you're a good person,

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Speaker 4: and don't forget that. Stay strong.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you both for taking the time to come

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Speaker 3: in and talk with me today. And on that note,

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Speaker 3: I hope you learned as much as I did.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thanks so much, Deo.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much to Cafin Pasqual for that time.

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Speaker 3: You can learn more about their work at the links

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Speaker 3: in the description. And thank you for joining us for

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Speaker 3: another informative episode of Weedian House.

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Speaker 1: Hope you get something out of this.

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Speaker 3: In the face of injustice, it is always important to resist.

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