1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio, 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: and we're back with Eric Klein, George and Nory here 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: with you. We're talking about his wook digging up Armageddon. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: His website sore linked up at Coast to Coast am 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: dot com. Eric had any given time how many people 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: lived on Meghito. Oh, that's a really hard question to answer. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: It depends on how much space seeds one takes up, etc. Etc. 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Short answer, I would say anywhere between a couple hundred 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: to a couple thousand of the most interesting. So it 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: wasn't a huge, thriving city by any means. Wasn't. No, 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: it was not huge. It was a typical city, but 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't absolutely huge. No, you've been there, does it 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: feel strange? I mean, do you get that old biblical 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: feeling when you're up there? You sure do? Yes, I 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: had thought. I excavated there for twenty years. We dug 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: every other year, So I was there for ten seasons 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety four to twenty fourteen. And I tell you, 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: when you walk up on the top of the mound 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: before any tourists are there. We would get there at 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: five am when you walk up there. Wow, the sense 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: of history is just overwhelming, and every time you take 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: a step you wonder what am I walking over? What 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: is underneath me? It's just it's an amazing feeling. Either 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: with Breasted's excavation or yours, was anything found of any 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: major significance? Oh? Absolutely, Meguito has been at the center 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: of biblic archeology for the past hundred years or so. 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Besides the water tunnel that I mentioned already, Breasted's team 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: found what they thought were the stables that Solomon built. 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: In fact, there's a cablegram that I found in the 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: archives where they wrote back and they said, we think 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: we found Solomon's stables, and that made the front page 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: of all the newspapers back in nineteen twenty eight. Now, 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: what would the significance of that be. Well, for one thing, 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: since the Bible says that Solomon fortified Meghito in one 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: passage in the Book of First Kings, and then another 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: one talks about him having chariot cities, they thought that 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: they had found the city that Solomon had built a Meghito. 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: Turned out they didn't. In fact, the city of Solomon 39 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: has been extremely elusive at Meghito. There's been four different 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: excavations over the last one hundred years at the site, 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: and no fewer than I believe four different levels have 42 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: been called Solomon City by this point, so it's very 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: difficult to find. But besides that, there were a huge 44 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: trove of ivories that were found in one of the palace, 45 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: a horde of gold. There's all kinds of things that 46 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: have come out of Meghito that place it firmly the 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: center of the archaeology of the region. And how high 48 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: is it or how high was it at its peak? 49 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: At its peak when they first got there, it was 50 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: about one hundred feet tall. But the way the Chicago 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: excavators dug they would expose the topmost level, what they 52 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: called Stratum one, they would completely reveal it. They would 53 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: take a photograph photographs, they would then draw it, and 54 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: then they would peel it up and throw it away. 55 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: They would just toss it out and then go to 56 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Stratum two and then Stratum three. And they started running 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: out of money, so they switched from what we call 58 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: horizontal archaeology, which is what they've been doing, to vertical archaeology, 59 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: where they went straight down in one area and that's 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: how we know how many cities are there, twenty big cities, 61 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: one on top of one on top of the other. Yeah, 62 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: because they went right down to bedrock. So that because 63 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: they took off the top two two and a half cities, 64 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the mound, which was one hundred feet tall, now only 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: about seventy feet tall. So at one point in the 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: beginning it was on ground level way back when probably 67 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: not well, yes, ground level, but it would have been 68 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: a slight small rise. The original bedrock seems to come 69 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: up above the valley floor, but not by much so 70 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: the earliest people, yeah, would have just barely been above 71 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: the valley floor. But as time went on and more 72 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: cities were built and then destroyed, and they kept building 73 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: and rebuilding, the mound grew until you know, one hundred 74 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: feet tall is nothing to sneeze at. Was it easier 75 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: to build on top of these older structures? Why didn't 76 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: they just level them and start over again. It was 77 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: much easier just to level them out and start build 78 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: right on top. Because they're building out of mud break, 79 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: not out of stone or anything like that. And the 80 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: mud break, it's exactly what it sounds like when you 81 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: knock over a mud break house. It goes back to dirt, 82 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: and so you basically just have to smooth it out 83 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: and then you can build on it again. And that's 84 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: what they would do again and again and again. It's 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: very typical, not just a meghito, but at many of 86 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: these mounds, we call them Tells, telll or Tel. They're 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: found over all over what is today Israel, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: all those areas basically the modern Middle East. They have 89 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: all these mounds, but people didn't realize that they were 90 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: actually man made until the guy with the best name 91 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: in archaeology, Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie. He was digging 92 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds and up until the nineteen twenties, 93 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: and he and an American named Frederick Bliss were digging 94 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: in a site called Tell Hesse, and they suddenly realized 95 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: that this was a man made mound. And that's what 96 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: we've been doing ever since, excavating stratigraphically, which we've borrowed 97 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: from geology. How flat is it on the top and 98 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: what are the dimensions? Let's see on top of mcguino. Now, 99 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: it's quite flat because Chicago left it where most of 100 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: the stratum. Three remains are visible. That's the Neo Assyrian 101 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: period from about the seventh century BC. Now, let's see. 102 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: You can walk across it in ten minutes going in 103 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: any direction, so the top is not very big. It's 104 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: also dotted with palm trees, which there's an apocryphal story 105 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: that the Egyptian workmen that Breasted brought to excavate it 106 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: was actually a holdover from Petrie's days where he had 107 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: taught the Egyptian workman to do the pickaxes and shoveling 108 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: in this and that they would bring the Egyptian workmen 109 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: every year to oversee the local villagers who were the 110 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: ones carrying in the and the story goes that the 111 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: Egyptian workmen would eat dates at breakfast and at lunch 112 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: and would toss the pits out on the mound, and 113 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: from then the date palms that you see today grew. 114 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: I personally think it's kind of apocryphal, but it's a 115 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: nice story. It is a good story. Now you uncovered letters, 116 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: cable grams, cards and notes from Breasted's team. Where'd you 117 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: find them? Found them in the archives of the Oriental Institute. 118 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to write a book about Meguito and the archaeology. 119 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: I was going to go level by level, city by city. 120 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: But when I went into the archives to look at 121 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: their notebooks and all of that, to my surprise, I 122 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: haven't expected it. I found that they had the diaries 123 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: and the letters and the cable grams, not just from 124 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: the directors there were three directors over the fifteen years 125 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: or so, but also the team members. And I suddenly 126 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: realized nobody had written a book about an excavation using 127 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: materials from the team members themselves and telling the story 128 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: of the excavation from their point of view. So it 129 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: was absolutely fascinating, especially for me because I knew most 130 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: of the history already, Like I knew that they had 131 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: found the so called Solomon Stables, but I didn't realize 132 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: that there was a cable in the archives where the 133 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: director wrote back to Breasted and said, I have found 134 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: Solomon's Stables. And I kind of sat back in my 135 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: chair and I went, oh, my gosh, look at this. 136 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, look look. I started waving around. So the 137 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: people came to life for me. They had been just 138 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: names on the spines of books, you know, and in 139 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: lists of participants and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, And 140 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, here I am reading their 141 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: letters back home and their diaries, and they became real people, 142 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: you know, with hopes and fears and dreams and ambitions, 143 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: and oh my god. It was like a soap opera 144 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: there a lot of time. So I suddenly thought, you know, 145 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: the story of the archeologist is just as interesting as 146 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: the story of the archaeology, and nobody's really ever told 147 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: that before. So let me see if there's a story there. 148 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, and there sure was. Eric. At 149 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: what point is it estimated that civilizations ceased to live 150 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: up there. Well, the last people that are there are 151 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: the Persians. So by the time Alexander the Great came by, 152 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: which would have been about three thirty two VC, the 153 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: mound was no longer inhabited. Not quite sure why. I 154 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: think the water source might have given out, at least temporarily. 155 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: And so in fact, when the Romans came, there's an 156 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: entire Roman legion that has planted there. They lived just 157 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: off the mound, and in fact their fort has been 158 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: found and is being excavated by Matt Adams and Yo 159 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: Tom Tepper and others. So we're they're actually retrieving the 160 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: Roman fort that you can see from the top of 161 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: the mound. It's just right near the bottom. So the 162 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: Romans are there too, but they're not up on top 163 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: of the mound. They're actually the Romans are using the 164 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: mound more as a cemetery. They're they're putting graves in 165 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: the side and up on the top. At the time 166 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: of Christ, what do you think it was being used 167 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: on the top of Meghito. Nothing, no, nothing, you know, 168 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: maybe Shepherd is, maybe this and maybe that. But speaking 169 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: of that, it's rather interesting at the crossroads right there, 170 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: the Meghito junction, which is about half a kilometer or 171 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: so away from the site, is the Meghito Prison. Today 172 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: it's a it's a modern day prison. When they were 173 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: excavating about fifteen years ago to put up a new building, 174 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: they came across an ancient building from the couple centuries 175 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: after the time of Christ. It's like the third century, 176 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: fourth century, fifth century a d. But in one of 177 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: the rooms of the building they found a mosaic, and 178 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: the mosaic mentions the Lord Jesus Christ. It's the earliest 179 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: mention that we've got of Jesus Christ anywhere. As far 180 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: as I know now, what happened during the eleven seventy 181 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: seven BC collapse, the eleven seventy seven BC collapse, that's 182 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: the end of the Late Bronze Age, So that's about 183 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: thirty two hundred years ago. And basically the world that 184 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: stretched from what is today Italy to what is today 185 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and from what is today Turkey down to Egypt 186 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: was all internationalized. It was globalized for their time period. 187 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: They were happily trading for two three four hundred years 188 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the Ron's Age, you know, usington 189 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: and copper to make bronze. But suddenly round about eleven 190 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: seventy seven everything collapsed. They went down within a couple 191 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: of decades, a century at most, and what had been 192 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: a thriving set of civilizations seven and all the Canaanites 193 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: and the Egyptians and the Hittites, Myceneans, Manoans, a, Syrians, 194 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Babylonian suddenly they're all gone. It was a catastrophe such 195 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: as the world had never seen and wouldn't see again 196 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: until the Roman Empire collapsed, and that was fifteen hundred 197 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: years later. So the collapse of the Le Bronze age 198 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: is eleven seventy seven, and that is the title of 199 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: my previous book, which I'm now working on revising because 200 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: it seems that it might be time to do it. 201 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: So eleven seventy seven, I think that's the one that 202 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: you were on with me back in twenty fifteen, wasn't it. 203 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely that's exactly what it is. You have a good memory, 204 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: so yes, so I'm revising that. But I'm also writing 205 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: a sequel called After eleven seventy seven, which deals with 206 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: how they pull themselves back up after they collapse. The 207 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: subtitle is the Rebirth of Civilization, and it's going to 208 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: cover the four hundred years down to seven seventy six, 209 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: which is the first Olympics in Greece, and so it 210 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: deals with resiliency and rebirth and what do you do 211 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: after your civilization has collapsed, how do you come back 212 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: and rebuild? And so again, that not only seems a 213 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: perfect sequel to eleven seventy seven, but also seems like 214 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: it might be a little appropriate for our world today. 215 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: I was going to just ask you about that, Eric, 216 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: do you see any similarities between eleven seventy seven BC 217 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: and what's happening today. I'm afraid I do. I see 218 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: an awful lot of similarity. Yeah, famines, drought, invaders, war, 219 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: you name it. Yeah, We've got most of the things 220 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: that they had, which is why at the end of 221 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: the book I just simply kind of gently say, you know, 222 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: they collapsed. We've got most of what they had. It 223 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: might be heboristic to think that we won't collapse. And 224 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: now with the coronavirus running around, I'm thinking, God, I 225 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: hit it when I'm prescience, you know, I think, MITCHO, Yeah, 226 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: we have what they had back then, and they collapse. 227 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: So I'm usually very optimistic, but I'm a little worried 228 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: right now. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every 229 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: weeknight at one am Eastern, and go to Coast to 230 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: Coast am dot com for more