WEBVTT - Pacers Take Game 1 with Anthony Lima 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.520 This crowd rises to its being what Carl slammed it out? 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.519 Carl left wing free ball. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.280 Perfect, Darl b pop then hell left block the shot 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.680 at the rim. How it's the left hand head of fowl. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.479 Welcome to the Chase Doown Podcast, part of the Caves 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.680 Media family. I'm your host, Justin Rowan. The Chase Down 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.480 was presented by Fubo, the official streaming partner of the Calves. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.960 Watch over three hundred and fifty channels of live sports 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.920 and TV, including FanDuel Sports Network without cable. There's no 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.840 cost and no commitment. Try for free at FuboTV dot 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:35.040 com Slash Calves. The Indiana Pacers struck first against the Calves, 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.440 stealing home court in game one, and the Calves might 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.720 be a little worse for wear as a result of it. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.440 Joining me today to discuss this is my co host, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:44.240 Carter Rodriguez. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:45.360 Carter, how you doing, buddy? 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.160 I think it's our first. Our pets are our pets 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.760 heads are falling off of the year, you know, pretty 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.400 good to make it to May, uh before we have 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.720 one of those overall, though, you know, uh, Calves Land 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.480 less pleasant than it's been for the last couple of weeks. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.560 But I did just have a nice anniversary trip with 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.479 my wife to New York. So you know, there's pros 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.920 and cons in this life. Yeah, you win some, you 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.119 lose some, and we got to win for ourselves. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.760 Here making his return to the podcast from ninety two 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.040 three to the Fan as well, now doing pre and 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.679 postgame coverage for Rock Entertainment Sports Network. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.720 Anthony lia Lima, Tony, how you doing. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.640 Buddy, guys, It's an honor. I'm not gonna sit here 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.120 and act like I'm scared. I'm not gonna act like 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.479 our pets heads are falling off. Although if you listen 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.360 to some people, you would think that there might have 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.120 been more Utah jazz available after Rudy Gobert gave everybody 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.880 the COVID a few years ago. I mean, what happened? 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.280 What happened? The negativity as if we still don't have, 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.000 you know, pretty good players and a pretty good superstar 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.200 who I've seen score fifty on one leg before in 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.440 the playoffs. So I am I'm not going to be 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.760 deterred until maybe I see that injury report officially tomorrow. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.360 Yeah, the injury report is a little scary. I think 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.920 it's important to keep in mind that even if every 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.960 questionable player does not play, and you know that would 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.400 be a serious blow, you'd be losing basically, you know, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.120 the driving force of your offense, and Darius Garland the 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.800 driving force of your defense, and Evan Mobley. You would 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.080 still be out there with an all starbuck guard and 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.240 an all star big man. And that is pretty much 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.560 the roster construction of the Indiana Pacers. And you have 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.800 a very good home court crowd. But before we get 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.920 into what went wrong in game one and kind of 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.200 look ahead to this series, let the people know what 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.880 you've been doing with that Rock Entertainment Sports Network or 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.240 I guess you know one game in to that experience. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.760 Yeah, I didn't screw it up too bad in the opener, 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.320 although some lady that showed up at the set, which 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.120 is right there in the atrium over at Rocket Arena, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.839 when she found out who I was, she wasn't so sure. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.280 She still wanted me to sign the autographs along with 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.520 AC and Booby Gibson, because I can't a value that 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.239 I can't do that, so I spared her. But no, 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.000 it's been fun jumping on coverage starting here in the 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.040 second round. A week's to have two months plus of 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.079 coverage with pre and post. You know, mostly an hour before, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.800 hour after, depending on some variance there. But we're excited. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.480 Kaylee Griffin, who everybody knows and Caves Caves Nation, she 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.240 is going to be holding it down. She is a pro, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:21.720 along with Ac Booby and John Michael and Serena, John Michaels, everybody, 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.600 the whole crew and some of the cast of characters 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.320 over at Channel nineteen are locally in Cleveland a part 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.240 of it. So we are pumped. And I'm telling you 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.240 I signed up for two months. I did not sign 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.200 up for a week and a half. Okay, let understand that. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.400 I hope I'm getting paid for two months. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.800 You're letting them know. That's what this is about right now. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.560 As you mentioned, the coverage will start one hour before 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.160 tip off with these games Game two, it will be 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.320 a half hour just because of the earlier kind of 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.080 funky start time there. I excited to watch that on 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.000 Rock Entertainment Sports Network, and I should mention it's also 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.680 simulcast on My Cleveland forty three as well as fan 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.760 Duel Sports Network, so you guys can be checking it 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.000 out there before we dive into the Game one. More 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.560 piece of business. Kenny Atkinson officially Coach of the Year. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.960 You know, he certainly earned it throughout the regular season, 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.720 and he may have to earn it in Game two 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.039 depending on availabilities. But I think the way that Kenny 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.279 has managed this roster all season long, no matter who 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.599 is available, you know, finding ways to get the most 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.040 out of the depth of this. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.480 Team has been one of the major stories of this season. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.800 You know, I can tell you guys that he deserved 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.560 Coach of the Year because I do a sports talk 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.240 radio show from six to ten AM in Cleveland, and 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.039 there was nothing to criticize basically the entire season except 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.760 for one Oklahoma City game. Sorry, I got Cavalier Kitty 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.200 here trying to mess with the paper towels which you're 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.440 holding up the camera. Very high tech set up here. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.200 But the fact that we didn't really have a lot 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.640 of anguish a lot of sports talk topics trying to 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.680 critique things that the Cavs were doing, which you know 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.400 is my land. Like, we had a filled time with 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.160 other things because we couldn't just sit there and pick 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.520 on them, and it was incredible. You know. Look, I 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.000 think one of the advantages I said that I thought 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.920 the Cavs had. It's why I had the over at 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.760 the start of the year on their win total. Was 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.000 familiarity right. They didn't have the turnover that some of 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.680 the rosters had, and I thought that if they could 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:20.359 just stay healthy, they're gonna win a lot of games. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.640 I did not see this win total. I did not 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.640 see this level of dominance, the historical offensive numbers that 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.039 were there almost through the entire season, the wire to 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.359 wire number one seed, and you've got to give a 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.800 coach credit for that. Empowering players, which there's just I 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:42.320 love the way every time Kenny talks. I love, you know, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.039 trying to get on his levels psychologically because forget x's 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.760 and o's, Yeah, he can do that. He's also got 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.880 assistance for that. There are interns around the league that 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.880 can draw x's and o's. You gotta have the players 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.039 to do it. But he knew he had the players. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.240 He knew this was a great job to take. But 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.960 also that term power mitt and you could see the 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.000 Cavs grow in confidence throughout the season. Yes, it's a 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.520 regular season award. I'm fully aware they're down one game 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.520 to nothing, and I'm fully aware that there might be 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.800 some haters on social media that might be somehow pointing 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.279 the blame at him in game one. I don't see 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:17.840 eye to eye on that whatsoever. And I think he's 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.880 going to make some interesting adjustments, and I know we're 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.839 going to talk about it. But he deserved the award, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.440 and by the way, no shade JB. Bickerstaff. He deserved second. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.080 I mean, I thought he was spectacular this year. And 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.840 you know JB has got to do a lot of 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.000 growing as a head coach. I think Kenny Atkinson has 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.600 done a lot of growing. He would tell you that 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.919 in his role as a head coach. So no shade 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.400 on Bickerstaff. I thought he was great all year. Detroit 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.680 was actually if you don't mind getting in the muck 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.600 and in the mud. I thought they were fun to watch, 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.400 believe it or not. And in the end I thought 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.080 it was going to be a runaway, and I think 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.680 was it. To tabulate the results, there was a pretty 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:53.359 much a runaway. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.400 It was a pretty comfortable win. JB got a I 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.159 think Kenny had twenty more first place votes. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.200 Do we feel bad for dag over there at Oklahoma City. No, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.840 It's almost like Jim Tressel and urban Meyer couldn't win 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.320 Big Ten Coach of the Year ever, and Oklahoma City 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.200 was you know, they were so impressive, but you know, 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.200 it just seemed like this was Kenny's award from the 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:17.960 from the second half of the season on. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.840 I just think, like, you know, when we were talking 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.720 about these awards, it just felt like the most like 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.080 it was like the best science experiment you could have, 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.800 Like because we all know this is the award we 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:35.040 can judge the least well, right, Like we're not in practice, 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.160 We don't literally watch them coach, you know, we don't 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.440 know what decisions are theirs and what decisions are their staffs, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.040 you know, unless they happened to tell us, and so like, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.800 you know, we never ever really get to know whether 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.680 a player got better because he went in the gym 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.080 and worked hard and got his body right, or because 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.240 coach taught him a new way to think about his game. 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.360 Like we just don't get to know as much. It's 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:03.040 not as objective of a thing to observe, So you know, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.800 I kind of felt like Kenny's whole year was like 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.560 the most you know, you know, like in a science experiment, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.600 you always have a control group like feels like like 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.880 the rest of the organization was the control group because 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.840 everything was the same except Kenny. So like it was 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.040 very easy to ascribe a lot of this growth to 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.560 the things that he brought to the table and a 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:29.160 lot of the conversations he had with everyone. And you know, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.680 you couldn't be like, oh, well, you know, like with Detroit, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.840 you could be like, hey, yeah, they are a lot better. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.559 That's awesome. But they also brought in a bunch of 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.120 adults in the room. They added It's Obias Harris and 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.439 as Tim Hardaway Junior, and a bunch of guys who've 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.000 been in the league for a while. They weren't just 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.000 playing a fleet of nineteen year olds this year. Like 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.040 you couldn't really say that about the Cavs, Like, and 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:53.440 like I have felt all year that just chalking it 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.760 all up to Kenny is like maybe not exactly what 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.840 I would do, though I think he's had obviously an 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.920 amazing year, and I think he should have been Coach 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.840 of the Year. But like, at the end of the day, 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:08.240 like what we can evaluate that a coach does well. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.360 He did well. The rotations were good, he got good 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.959 contributions from the depth his stars got better, the offense hummed, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:20.200 the pace went way up, Like all the markers that 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.000 you're looking for are there. And I think you made 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.160 the right point in terms of him wanting this job. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.360 And I think I've said it a lot. Our listeners 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.760 are probably sick of me saying it, but I to 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.440 this day still think the best thing Kenny did with 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.679 this roster was want to coach the roster that he 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.360 signed up to coach. You know, I am sure that 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.480 guys went in and interviewed and talked about how they're 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.240 going to move ev into the five full time and 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.520 how you know, they really want to lean in on 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.720 Donovan as a lead creator, you know, because there were 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.400 a lot of there was a lot of you know, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.160 people who even people whose opinions I respect, even though 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.280 I didn't agree with it, that felt that way that 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.800 they needed to streamline their roster construction. And it seemed 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.360 like from the jump Kenny was like, no, I'll take this. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.360 What you got good for me. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.880 It's a great balancing act for us people that critique 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.120 or people like us that enjoy the game, and we're 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.400 trying to figure out and synthesize all this different information 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.600 with all these games in a new game to add 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.719 to the calculus every single time when you don't want 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.760 to give too much credit to the coach, because in 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.840 the end, it's gonna be the players. Like in the NBA. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.000 We know just asked you ask Malone in Denver. In 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.480 the end, the players are the ones that are probably 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.680 going to be there. When we saw that with the Cavs, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.000 so you know, part of me is like, yeah, I 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.200 think Evan would have been pretty good with a lot 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.040 of different coaches in the league. But there's no doubt 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:53.280 you could see a stark difference in the confidence in 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.040 the ball handling, in him understanding the angles and driving 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:58.320 at the point of attack. We already know we had 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.840 the defensive thing down. I mean we we saw that 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.880 his rookie quite literally his rookie year. I mean I 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.120 could even make an argument that I thought Evan might 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.640 have played better defense, you know, a year ago or 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.079 two years ago than he did this year. An he 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.360 wins Defensive Player of the Year. But it is a 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:17.240 testament to Kenny that you know, these guys are now paid. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.080 You got guys that have real money or are in 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.200 line for some big time money. But where are the 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.720 egos and there are teams, whether you have young guys 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.560 or old guys, that balancing the egos is an impossible 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.360 pursuit around this league over time. And you know, I 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.800 credit Kobe Altman too, I mean GM of the Year. Sure, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.920 why not for keeping the exact same team? Sounds crazy, 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.400 especially some of the names I was rattling off at 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:43.840 the end of last year that I was trying to 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.320 think about, should we break up the nucleus? Is this 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.320 team have a limited ceiling? And of course we'll revisit 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.520 all of that depending on how things go in the playoffs. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:57.480 But look again, this Cavs team ruined my season as 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.040 a sports talk shock chock radio host because where was 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.079 the criticism? Where what people said, I've sold out, I've 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.200 been too much of a Homer this season. I've even 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.280 said nice things about Max Shruce. How does that happens? Good? 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.520 Kenny Is As a loyal listener every single day, I 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.600 still found those little bits of information, those little takes 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.640 that you didn't have enough nuance on, And I've let 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.840 you know, and I've let Ken know every single damn 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.800 time because I am looking for things to be upset about. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.440 And you know what that really makes this fertile ground 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.280 for me when the Cavs lose a playoff game, because 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.960 there is no shortage of that. I think one of 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.240 the great things that Kenny has done this season is 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.960 get the team to look like they're all on the 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.160 same page on both ends of the court. I think 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.200 it's been a consistent theme throughout this season. It just 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.240 did not appear to be the case to start Game one. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.800 I thought, honestly, the point of attack defense was probably 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:53.199 the most jarring thing for me. Whether it's Donovan, Mitchell, Ty, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.520 Jerome sam Merril, Max Struce, I honestly thought had in 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.920 the first half, probably had one of his worst defensive games. Honestly, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.679 Art City Baby, all of them were really really struggling 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.160 on that end when it came to containing the point 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.040 of attack. And I think once you lose integrity at 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.400 that front line, it's going to get you into rotations, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.320 it's going to get you scrambling, and you're going to 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.200 give up quality looks. And the thing that came to 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.959 my mind was, is this kind of like when we 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.679 would play Toronto in the Eastern Conference Finals and it 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.480 would affect Game one against Golden State. It reminds me 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.120 of you know, the two games, most recent games we 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.400 played against Boston, We're coming off forty point wins, and 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.640 I just feel like anytime you are in one of 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:41.400 those situations, it hurts your ability to be sharp in 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.080 that next game. So I guess the real question is, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.120 is this the Miami Heats first win of the postseason. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.320 I love it. I love it because I've been ripping 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.959 on heat cultures. I know you guys have done yeomen's 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.000 work doing just that because they deserve it, and the 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.800 Cavs might have ended it once and for all. You're right, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.000 maybe this was maybe this was from the grave pat Riley, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.480 if we checked in on him as the godfather doing okay, yeah, 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.640 maybe Tyler hero is still talking somewhere about counting this 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.120 on his playoff registry. Oh look, it was jarring. It 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.200 was one thing I was legitimately worried about. I did 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.360 tell everybody like I was nervous about a quarter and 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.720 a half of this game going in. Not because I 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.640 didn't think we had the personnel advantage, not because I 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.720 didn't think that we were going to be successful in 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:28.600 the series. It was simply because it was jarring. It's 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.480 like going from you know, Algebras all of a sudden, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.600 you're in trigonometry honors, like, yeah, it's a big step, right, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.000 it's a huge step. And in this case, you know 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.640 what lessons? What did we learn from the Calves domination 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.800 of the Miami Heat other than we're good, we know 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.360 we're good. We care they might have a foot out 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.480 the door, and I think we would have beat them 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.400 if they had. Jimmy Butler like, that's how good the 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.000 Calves were. But what lessons did we really learn? And 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.720 sometimes and I thought this happened through some of the 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.880 wind streaks, for the Caves develop bad habits by winning. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.600 And I know that sounds silly, right, But if you're 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.160 Kenny Atkinson, how are you gonna get your guys' attention? 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:11.000 It's one thing to talk about, Hey, take this is 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.520 a legitimate threat. Look at this pacer tape. Understand what 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.080 they are doing. They are better than maybe anybody in 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.160 the NBA getting you involved in the crossmatch circus and 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.680 getting you scrambling and getting you out of discipline closeouts, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.600 and if you come out on the wrong foot, they 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.240 will take advantage. They understand how to drive baseline and 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.840 still with a head on a swivel to make sure 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.800 they can still find angles and shooters in the right 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.040 compartments on the floor. It's one thing to teach that 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.880 for those off days, it's another thing when you actually 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.200 see it. And so yeah, I was disappointed, like every 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.040 Cabs fan that it seemed like they were not ready 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.760 in that first quarter. And unfortunately, you know, when you 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.720 start losing guys one by one, some of that cohesiveness, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.960 you know, everybody trying to have their hands on the rope. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.200 But all of a sudden, the guy next ex he 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.560 was gone, and somebody knew is in, and the rotations 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.560 have totally been shaken, and you're playing a team that 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.040 you saw it, that was a confident team coming down 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.240 the road, a team that say what you want about 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.160 who they played to get to the Eastern Conference Finals 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.480 last year. In their mind, they're in the Eastern Conference 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.600 Finals team, and they came into the series believing that. 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.640 And they've got a good coach too. They've got a 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.160 championship head coach. You know, Kenny sat on some championship benches, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.480 but they've got a championship head coach. So they were 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.880 not going to be intimidated. They weren't with all that said, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.280 I'm sitting there in the third quarter saying this game's over. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.560 I got a little cocky. And the Cavaliers got every 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.520 loose fall in that third quarter, they got, you know, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.720 positive contributions for defensively, I mean, Isaac Mcoro, Max Truce, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.160 bat out of hell, coming in and saving possessions. Evan Mobley, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.240 your Cavs working really hard to win the fifty to 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.600 fifty loose ball. Luck was a luck yesterday. In that 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.120 third quarter, they did everything to turn that building around 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.600 to where it was essentially on fire, one of the 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.600 loudest crowds, Great Anthony said he had ever seen. And 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.560 then what did Indiana do? They closed the quarter. We 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.679 kind of maybe botched a two for one, you know, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.960 Donovan Files Siakam and instead of your two for one, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.040 they end up plus one on those final possessions. And 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.280 I was like, man, I'm gonna file that away because 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.679 that showed me that Indiana could take a CounterPunch and 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.280 they could deliver yet another one. And they were feeling 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.679 good about themselves going in to the huddle in the 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.240 fourth quarter. And I don't think there's a lot of 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.359 teams in the NBA that could have combatd that cavalanche 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.119 where the Cavs were swarming to that extent. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.200 Yeah, it does feel like I do want to ask 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.320 about the readiness side of things, because like, you know, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.840 I don't think I you know, I think there's some 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.160 people that could, you know, make the argument or make 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.479 the case like, oh, they didn't respect you know, they 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.920 got high in their own supply, you know, they they 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.400 didn't respect this Pacers team. I was kind of lean 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.239 the other way where I think they were all just 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:05.439 a little deferential stylistically, where they kind of let they 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:10.240 kind of hung back and and and let Indy kind 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.959 of dictate the terms a little bit. You know, Like 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.280 I don't know if like I think it was in 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.240 that third quarter quarter spurt when a Strus hit either 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.399 Alan or Mobley on the alley oop, like that empty 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.960 side pick and roll after the ball swung around and 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.480 like where was that possession? 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:28.160 The whole game? 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.240 You know, they were just spending so much time, uh, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.119 setting these setting these these screens on nim hard on 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.600 the other side of the floor, not really getting an advantage, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:44.199 not really pressing really just kind of like hanging, you know, 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.320 kind of like patiently letting him reconnect to the ball handler, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.399 and like I and I just kind of felt that 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.439 way on both sides of the floor, Like they just 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:57.159 kind of were overly deferential to the style. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:57.399 You know. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.760 The coolest thing about that Miami's is the thing I 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.080 thought I learned about that Miami series was that the 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.800 Calves have learned that you need to hit first, Like, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.480 and that's not like in the game in the game 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:12.879 like winning first. It's literally hitting them before they hit you. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:14.320 And I felt like. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.639 Indiana really controlled the game physically because they were playing 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.600 so assertive, because they were playing their style. And when 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.080 I say physically, I don't mean the hard fouls. I 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.520 mean the pushing, the grabbing, the bumping. Like I just 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.000 feel like they hit first over and over and over again, 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.280 and I like, I just like left that game begging 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.760 the Calves play your game, your game. When you play 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.000 your game, you are better than them when they play 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.159 their game. And like that's like the best compliment I 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.040 can give to a Rick Carlile team is they're really 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.719 really hard to drag out of their style. 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.119 Well, what's funny is their defensive profile and I know 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.119 you can you can break them down from January on 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:58.360 and sometimes I get caught in that silliness with shooting splits. Look, 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.560 when halibert AND's healthy, they're different team. But even though 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.399 they've got guys that seem like they would hold up 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:06.400 perimeter defenders, they they've never been a great team defensive 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.720 unit the way that the Cavs. They don't have that ceiling. 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.920 But now eighty two games and you know, playing a 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.560 different team every night, that's done. The playoffs we know 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.479 are a different setup. And boy, card I didn't think 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.480 about it that way, the deferential. You know, I like 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.720 to see a little bit more meanness. And I know 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.600 again that's that's like easy from somebody on the outside, 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.000 like the niceties and even Kenny have to you know, 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.640 talking today, he didn't even want to throw any kind 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.560 of lob, any kind of big criticism or bulletin board 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.440 material about you know them and the way that they play. 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:43.520 He was even nice. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.119 He was talking about like that was that's probably the 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.639 angriest I've seen him all season. But he like he 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.320 kept it you know in the lines very much. 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.680 So right, I would like to see a little bit 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.200 more nastiness, and it doesn't have to be Draymond Green, 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.080 you know, I think fans get caught up in that. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.840 It certainly doesn't have to be that way, but you 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.960 know you can make them you're gonna play a playoff ball. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.320 You have to play playoff basketball. And like, one of 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.000 the coolest things to me about that Miami the start 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.159 of that Miami series, I was sitting right next to 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.439 my co host right over there, and they started in 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.400 full court press against the heat like that. They did 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:24.080 not play a possession of full court press all regular season, 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.960 And Kenny's Kenny, that's a tone setting playoff decision of like, hey, 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.560 we're gonna bump you from the first touch of the game. 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.600 When you think it's gonna be easy, it's guess what, 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.160 It's not gonna be easy. And like, I just don't 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.280 think they brought that because they were so concerned about 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.800 getting back into their shell against the against the transition 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.280 of the heat, and you could literally watch them thinking 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.840 they I mentioned it was brain fart city. Like there 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.440 were a lot of possessions where I didn't even feel 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.680 like Indy was pressing that hard. Like, by the way 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.920 everyone talked about how Indy dragged the Cats to their pace. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.520 They played ninety nine possessions in this game. It was 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.080 a game for both teams. Yeah, it was not it 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:05.320 was fair. 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.280 You wouldn't know it from the score. You wouldn't know 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:08.280 it from the score. 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.960 Fast for playoffs, but not fast for a regular season. 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.639 These guys shouldn't be like crazy gassed from this pace. 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.640 But like, even when Indy was going at like seventy 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:22.320 percent in some semi transition, you saw the Cavs being like, 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.000 can't mess up, can't mess up and transition defense, and 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.560 it's like, just be disciplined, just play the discipline that 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:29.639 you're used to playing. 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:30.840 Like, I don't like. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.920 I just felt like you watched them overthink and then 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.520 a short circuit on so many of those defensive possessions. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:39.440 And yeah, I just feel like they got away from 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.119 themselves in a way there's like pretty unusual. 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.280 Yeah, And I think they let you know them hard. Yeah, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:49.399 he's not listen, you know, do Dora the Cavalier Kiddy's 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.880 not happy either, you know, showing a little bit of feistiness. 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.520 There is a way in the NBA to find that line. 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.320 You don't have to be dirty. I don't think. I 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.000 don't think we as fans, I don't think we might 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.480 mind a little dirty once in a while just to 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.399 let everybody know, like you're not just going to come 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.960 in here and mess with us, and we can talk. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:10.879 I mean, it's a whole other conversation about whether we 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.760 thought those files, which were certainly files that were not 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:18.480 called and inexplicably challenged, and I'm still I feel like 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:20.440 the NBA needs to do a better job of explaining 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:21.640 what happened there. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.720 To be clear, I think we can go over that. 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:26.840 I don't think that they were dirty place. I think 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:28.679 that they were trying to make the Cavs earn it 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.280 at the line. I think they were hard playoff files 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.960 and the fact that they weren't called was really surprising. 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.080 And the fact that you know, a lot of those 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.520 ended up leading to three pointers on the other end, 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.639 you know, in five on four situations, that's a backbreaker 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:44.359 in a game that was kind of decided by a 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.560 couple possessions. But I didn't think that they were dirty plays. 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.960 Like for me, I've talked to Carter about this. I'm 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.200 not really proud of it, but I'm a little proud 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:54.920 of it. I was a dirty player in high school. 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.320 I recognized a dirty play when I see one. I 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:58.560 don't think that that's what it was. 0:23:58.560 --> 0:23:59.879 I'm surprised, brother, I. 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.920 You know, I went through absolutely all the emotions. I 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.639 wanted my pound of flesh after this game. You know, 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.800 I don't like seeing my guys on the injury report. 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.560 But you can't even retaliate with the hard playoff out 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:12.480 of your own if you're not running these guys off 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.280 the three point line. I mean, if they're just floating 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.600 around on the outside, you need to get that guy 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:18.280 driving to the basket if you're going to put a 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.440 little lumber in them. 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.320 A game recognized game justin I didn't know you liked that, 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.480 but you know it's the true ball knower that you are. 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.919 I respect it, and I think any any edge that 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:31.840 you need to gain. But so it gets interesting, right 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.359 because I'm hearing the Cavs talk after the game, and 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.560 there's no doubt there's two things that Kenny Atkinson talked 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.199 because all the players echoed the sentiments in the postgame 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.119 press conference. The few that did talk, which was pace, 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.760 I did hear that a lot. And I also heard 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.720 toughness and physicality. I mean I heard it to a man, 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.160 every single one. I mean Ty Jerome was out there 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:57.080 talking about how fast. Indiana was again one thing to 0:24:57.080 --> 0:24:59.000 see it on tape. It's another thing to see a 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.320 team that knows their idea, dentity and knows that's their 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.520 only chance, right Indiana. Whether or not they think they'res 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.440 talented as you, we know they're not. I don't think 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:08.920 you'd find anybody, even in Indiana that was being fair 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.440 that would that would argue otherwise. But they know who 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.119 they are. They and they and they once made a 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.959 playoff run where they were that and now you know, 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.840 you add you add Mathron who was injured last year, 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:21.760 you know, into that, and now you've got a guy 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.600 nem Hard who's become mister playoff three point shooter who 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.040 can't do it in the regular season. So there are 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.560 some things that that that confidence Getschen. I'm just telling you, 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.240 I watched, you know, seventy five feet like Max Strus 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:36.600 got body checked just trying to get back on defense. 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.520 Little things, right, It's little things, and they're not going 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.120 to call that a foul. And I don't even think 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:42.920 Max Streuce would be arguing for a file there. I 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.560 think it's just that they were going to make sure 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.800 that you felt them droughught And so my question is 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.440 in game two, depending on who's even going to be 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:51.800 out there, because you don't want to get caught up 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:52.639 in that too much. 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:55.480 But are you going to. 0:25:55.520 --> 0:26:00.360 See some some token physicality three minutes in to try 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.080 to set the tone where, hey, if they call us 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:03.760 for a file, they calls for a file, No big deal. 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.199 You know, even Evan. Evan is the interesting one because 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.560 I didn't think there was a soul out there that 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.960 could neutralize Evan. I just didn't. I just didn't think 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:14.919 they had any there. A couple of times Evan got 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.199 an offensive rebound one against Myles turn Aroun. I'm like, 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.439 Miles is in good position and he can't get his 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.600 hand up because Evan has has has added that dimension 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.680 and skill and knows how to seal a guy off 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.639 using his bigger, bigger shoulders that seemed like they're ten 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.960 to fifteen pounds bigger in a mass is there that 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:32.880 wasn't there even maybe a year and a half ago. 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.880 So you know, Evan is a guy too. Can can 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.080 he set the tone? I mean we're in year four here, 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.639 it's you know, there are some guys that do have 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:45.480 some playoff experience on Indiana, but they're all the you 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.040 know Halliburton doesn't have a ton of playoff experience like 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:50.359 I think that You're right, Carter, I go back to 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.640 that deferential thing. There's no no, no time for that, now, 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.080 no room for that. You know. The Cavaliers get back 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.199 to that swagger, and I know it's not as not 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:00.879 as easy when you don't have Darius out. There was 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.800 part of that swagger, but you know, I think I 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.520 think a difference we'll see very early on if that 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.040 is something that they're going to come out and set 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:10.439 the tone with. 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:12.040 Yeah, they got to play their style. 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:14.239 You you have to know what your strengths are, what 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.200 your weaknesses are, and play within it right. 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.280 Like, when you know your strengths and weaknesses, you. 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.200 Can identify when a little bit of help is needed, 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.640 which is what zoom Ai Companion does for us. Because 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.720 only you can do your best work, zoom Ai Companion 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.240 can help you do the rest, like automatically taking notes, 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.800 answer meeting questions, and helping you respond to your coworker 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.159 Bilbot no additional cost with eligible paid plans or cappy 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.080 zoom Ai Companion. The funny thing about the physicality was 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:40.200 I think we really felt it on the perimeter, right 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:41.920 like Indie with steing. 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.160 Which is how Andy does things. 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.560 Yeah, they were staying home to you know, a crazy extent. 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.280 They were forcing the Calves. Not only were the Calves 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.400 being differential on the defensive side and you know kind 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.639 of allowing Indy to have that freedom of movement on 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.800 the offensive end, Cleveland, they were giving them a red 0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.800 carpet to the pay. Like typically when you talk about 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.560 physicality the types of things, you look at our second 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.280 chance points, offensive rebounds, points in the paints. 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:08.919 The Calves had. 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.520 A seventy to thirty eight edge in points in the paint, 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.320 twenty one to four edge on second chance points, and 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.960 a thirteen to seven edge in sec on the offensive glass. 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.800 Like typically those are those identifiers. But what Indy was 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.440 really doing was saying, yeah, like you can attack the basket, 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.479 but we're we're going to stay home. We're going to 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.359 make you feel uncomfortable from three. 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:29.800 And this is a game. 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.200 Honestly, I reject the notion that this was a three 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:33.120 point variance game. 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:34.920 That's part of the equation. 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:38.040 Don't get me wrong, Indies shot incredibly well, but when 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.120 you look at the wide open threes, Indy was thirteen 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.720 of twenty five on wide open three point attempts, the 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.480 Caves were three of eleven. When you're talking about they 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.920 got over twice as many wide open looks. I'm someone 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.760 that cares about process over results. You know, a little 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.400 bit of variance here and there. Yeah, the score was close, 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.080 but the reason the score was close had to do 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.440 with us winning the possession battle more than anything else 0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.360 like that. And if we're shorthanded, they're going to have 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:07.240 to do that again, Like we're going to need to 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:08.560 kill them on the glass, We're going to have to 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:12.040 kill them on the interior. But when I'm looking at 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.400 those type of three point numbers, we didn't get the 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:17.600 type of looks that make me say, hey, we should 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.040 have had a good quality shooting game. Because for the season, 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.520 the Calves average twenty five wide open looks from three 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.800 against Indiana in Game one only eleven. 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.640 I've got a real zag for you, fellas about the 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.920 health of the Calves offense. I think it's kind of bad. 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.040 They only had seven turnovers against that level of ball 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:41.800 pressure Like that tells me that the passing in the 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.880 movement was not where it needs to be. You know, 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.480 Kaitlin Cooper, who covers the Pacers, who does an amazing job. 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.000 And I'm paraphrasing because I didn't have the stat pulled up, 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.080 said that like per one hundred possessions, the Calves averaged 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.280 like two hundred and thirty passes in this game. Thirtieth 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:02.120 place was two seventy average in the league, you know. 0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.680 And I think in general, there was just so much. 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.400 I thought they worked so hard, ate up so much 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:16.160 shot clock, chasing Halliburton on switches, and Haliburton in this game, 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.640 at least was not Tyler Hero, like he held up 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:22.000 way better on switches. And I think a lot of 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.840 it is all the work that someone like Andrew Nimhard 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.320 was doing before the switch, where you know, it's so 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:32.200 different attacking Tyler Hero with eighteen seconds left on the 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:36.320 shot clock than it is attacking Tyre's Halliburton with eight 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.959 with a perfectly set shell defense behind him, you know. 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.800 And I just felt like they were you know, I 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.720 don't think this Cavs team is at its best mismatch hunting, 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.800 and that is part of the playoffs. I understand that. 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.800 We don't want to be the Boston Celtics. Come on, 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:53.760 we want to play ethical playoff basketball. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.480 You're damn right, we do, Tony, And like, I think 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.360 I just think they got away from you know, and 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:01.960 he mentioned it that their offense let them down, so 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:05.120 I think he understands that. But like that's why I 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:08.240 called out that struse you know, ball flow side, pick 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.720 and roll al U because of like, you know, it's like, oh, 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.320 there you are, guys, Like that's what you are. Like, 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.400 I think it is so such such a negative indicator 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:19.160 for this team on a night where you're not generating 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:23.360 consistently clean looks that Tye and Donovan combined for fifty 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.360 field goal attempts. The ty Jerome on a night where 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:28.520 he does not have it he's having, he had a 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.600 really you know, I would say one of his choppier, 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.000 high volume nights he's had in terms of just getting 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.160 stonewalled on some possessions, him having as many shot attempts 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.040 as Mobley and Allen combined, when when the Cavs worked 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:44.960 hard to get those guys to the ball just on 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.120 a normal pick and roll, you know, not even pick 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.320 and rolls where they were getting huge advantages. But because 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:55.880 Andy's interior defense isn't that strong and because they weren't 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.200 sending help, they got clean looks every single time. Just 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:00.960 felt like the prior alities were a little out of 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:01.760 whack in this game. 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.400 The antidote to a lot of what you said plagued 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.400 them in that opening game, unfortunately, was in street clothes. 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.480 You know, I just think Darius Garland changes so much 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.800 of that. The assist totals, I mean right there, the 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.600 way that you have to defend, especially this year, Darius, 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.200 and what that opens up. And you know, we talk 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:27.000 about targeting guys, whether it's you know, mismatches or on 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.480 the other end, like getting guys and big men out 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.800 of sort, getting them tilted and getting the whole you know, 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.560 the whole side of the basketball floor in your favor 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.600 with numbers. I mean, Darius does all of that. He's 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.680 he's been clinical, he's been a technician at doing that 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:45.400 stuff this year, and you know, not having him, you know, 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.760 the reality is, no matter how many silly conversations some 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:54.200 people wanted to get going about Ty Jerome versus Darius Carlin, 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.280 when they're not competing with each other, they're quite literally 0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.840 the perfect the perfect one to the other handem in 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.080 the league, when there was almost zero drop off when 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.800 either Donovan or Darius would go to the bench and 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.560 you know ty Jerome was leading that unit. You see 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:13.280 just how different they play. It doesn't mean bad. It 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.480 doesn't mean ty Jerome what he does is bad. It's ridiculous. 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:20.680 He's been sensational all year. It's just different. And you know, 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:22.120 I hope we don't have to see a lot of 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.880 different just for the sake of having to deal with, 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.640 you know, this injury to Darius, because the fact is, 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.880 you're just a different team when you go from having 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:32.680 a guy who played at an all NBA level for 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.680 most of the season who not on the floor, Like 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.240 that's I don't care what you say. That is a huge, 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:42.200 huge difference. You know, you can ask you know, the 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:45.040 Golden State Warriors when guys start dropping like flies. Next thing, 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.440 you know, Kawhi Leonard has you know, a ring in Toronto, 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.760 so and basketball Siakam certainly knows all about that. So 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.120 h that's that's That's all I'm saying. Like, you know, 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.360 there's gonna be a big discussion online and sometimes I think, 0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:01.000 you know, Justin and Carter, you guys are just eternally online. 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:02.880 So you're going to allow these Pacer fans to get 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.800 to you don't let don't let you know Pat McAfee 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.960 and Caitlyn Clark get to you or Papa Halliburton. 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:08.799 Oh don't. 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.080 I've already picked a beef with some indie beat writer 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.080 that I've never heard of before today, but he is 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:18.680 now enemy number one. You're right, I think obviously Garland 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.759 would help a lot. I think it's something we've seen 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.399 over the last three years. Right in Mitchell's first year 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.839 with Darius, when Garland was on the court, they had 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:27.880 a top five offense. 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.160 When he was off the court, they had the twenty ninth. 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.520 Last year when Darius was not himself, the Cavs were 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.319 not able to have a top ten offense. This year, 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:40.120 the Cavs have a historic offense with Darius on the court. 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.640 Best offense in NDIA history when he's on the court, 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.800 and thirteenth when he's off. So you know that floor 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.759 has raised. But when you talk about a team as 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.600 good offensively as Indiana, hey, if Darius isn't in the game, 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:54.120 you're going to need to get it done a little 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.400 bit more on the defensive end. And you know, I 0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.880 think what Ty did in Game one isn't too dissimilar 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.719 to some of what he did against Miami, Like, the 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.879 shot quality has been tough for Tie all season long. 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:08.880 That's a guy that takes and makes a lot of 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:12.800 tough shots. They just needed something a little bit different. 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:16.799 And you know, Donovan and Tie combined for fifty field 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:22.160 goal attempts, they only generated fourteen potential assists, and they 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.279 got twelve assists on those fourteen, so it's not like 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.799 they were creating assist opportunities for other guys, and you know, hey, 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:30.759 they're missing their shots, so I'm just going to do 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.799 it myself. They almost shot one hundred percent off of 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.879 those guys passing. But when you have a ratio of 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.359 you know, fifty field goal attempts to fourteen assist opportunities 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.719 created between the two guards, yeah, you're going to feel like, hey, 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.520 despite the fact that we're getting into the pain at Will, 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.000 kind of felt like we got away from Evan Mobley 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.920 as the game progressed. It kind of felt like we 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.680 weren't capitalizing on Jared Allen rolling to the basket. And 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.400 I think that's one of the things that Darius does. 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.040 We all know that Donovan's the best player on this team. 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.239 He's someone that can go to a place from a 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:05.440 scoring perspective that nobody else can. But Darius is kind 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.320 of the still the primary driver of the offense overall, 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.399 and he does such a good job of understanding who 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.879 needs the ball when and keeping the Calves within their 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:16.319 identity offensively. 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.120 Whenever, whenever Steve Jones of The Dunker Spot talks about 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.680 this Calves team, the nicest thing he says, every time 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.080 he posts a clip of the Calves getting other teams 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.120 in the blender, he always says, the Calves just keep 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.680 making you guard, you know, like here's the first action 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:33.880 that you snuffed out. Here's the second action, here's the 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.080 third action, here's the fourth action, and you finally, you know, 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:39.440 the damn breaks and you and the Calves got a 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.880 wide open look. Or in the you know, a season 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.880 like this, someone hit a crazy shot, you know, and 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.080 and you know all that effort was for nothing, and 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:52.120 you need both of those pieces of the puzzle in 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.279 order to you know, be a championship team, like you're 0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.719 not always you know, no team, the greatest teams in 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.920 NBIA history have to hit hard shots the score. But 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.800 like you can't build the whole plane out of that material. 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:08.080 I did not know about that fourteen potential assists that 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:09.960 I just I think that's a killer. 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:14.120 It's a rhythm game, especially early in a series. So 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.319 I always draw a stark contrast when I talk to 0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:19.240 people about why the NBA playoffs are different. The first 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.759 game of the series, when we had Lebron and had 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:25.880 the luxury of having Lebron feel his way out process 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.000 over the span of four to seven games. You know 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.839 how to combat every single thing, and he would take 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:33.839 it all into consideration over the course of the first 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.200 forty eight minutes or so, and sometimes in the game 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:38.160 two and then you would see it like, oh, I 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.520 got this, I got this, and now all of my 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:45.240 teammates are going to beneficiaries of how it's built on itself. 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.719 You know everything that I've been processing, okay, but when 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.239 you get to game seven, as you've seen the game 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.799 seven so far, you almost have to throw exits and 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.120 o's out the window. It's like, who's got legs left, 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.799 who can elevate over a defender, who can get by 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.200 a defender, and who can just put the ball in 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.440 the basket. By that time, you know, we've seen everything, 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.719 they've seen everything, Like we just got to go get 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.520 baskets because there aren't gonna be a lot of them, 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.480 and this is this is different. This was the first 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.160 game I like to see guys in rhythm. And I 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.759 know that the stat was circulating about Donovan Mitchell in 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.240 game ones the thirty points. Obviously, we know he's capable 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.399 of hitting every single three he took in that game, 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.440 with maybe the exception of the one that was blocked 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.520 right and they blocked a few on the perimeter with 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:27.799 some of that length, or guys chasing it, you know, 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.000 sometimes got a little lucky, or the Cabs maybe needed 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.799 one more pass. Though we know Donovy can make all those. 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.080 He can step into those at any time. What's so 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.360 gifted about his footwork is that he can actually jump 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.480 into a jump into a three point shot off the 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.560 dribble left foot. He can do it right foot. I mean, 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:48.560 that's Carmelo Anthony stuff, That's Kobe Bryant's stuff. There's not 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.360 a ton of guys that are skilled at him and 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:52.959 doing it. So I'm never crushing him on the shot 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.960 selection because if he takes eleven threes, I'm guessing he's 0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:58.799 gonna add more than one. You know, the rest of 0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.279 his career. I don't think he ever has game like that. 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.719 But the issue is when he's shooting those and just 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.759 stepping into him with eighteen on a shot clock or 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:10.400 fifteen on a shot clock, then you're not really making 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:16.000 Indiana have to buckle, think twice, tilt their defense, start 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:18.240 to get them scrambling in the way that they forced 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.120 you to get scrambling. And I would say the same 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.440 thing about Tye. It's not that I thought Tye was 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.040 taking any more difficult to shots. In fact, I think 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:27.520 they got it in their heads like, oh my god, 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.960 these guys, these guys cannot stop us from getting to 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:33.000 the hoop. But what you're also doing if you have 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:36.160 two players with the lion's share of those forays to 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.880 the basket, and obviously ty didn't shoot a ton of threes, 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.480 but then you've got Donovan, you know, settling for a 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.719 lot of those threes. Then other guys are just not 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.080 going to be in rhythm. Even when you don't shoot, 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.200 it's touching that basketball, it's being able to pound that 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.560 ball a couple times, throw to the opposite corner, and 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:58.400 now you've got everybody circulating on defense and not knowing 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.840 where that shot is coming. And then you know, just 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:05.120 quite quite honestly just wearing them out, and instead Donovan 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.879 Mitchell like, I don't think people realize. Yeah, he played 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.360 thirty four minutes. And I went back and looked, and 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.520 I'm like, wow, that's interesting. I thought, in a close game, 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:16.480 he's gonna play more minutes. And in a non blowout situation. 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.000 You have to go back to his rookie year to 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:22.040 find a playoff game where he played thirty four minutes 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.879 or less. And yet I watched him and I saw 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.480 his body language, and I'm like, man, this guy is 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:34.200 worn out because it is exhausting having to get out 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.839 there in the perimeter, make your first point of attack move, 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.520 get by one guy, and now oh I've got a 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:43.400 euro step, I've got a plant off my right foot 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:45.920 and toggle and jump to the left side, and now 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.319 I got to think about my finishing package, even though 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:50.200 they don't have a ton of shop blocking, and yeah, 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.359 he would finish. That's exhausting, guys. Yeah, and he did 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.560 that on like from especially that third quarter. He was 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.279 on it and he was taking the ball from three 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.640 quarters core all the way. In doing that, that is 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.040 going to wear you down. So box Score said, thirty 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:07.520 four minutes felt like a forty one minute game against 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.560 the Orlando Magic. 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:12.040 And not only what it felt like, and not only that, 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.160 our buddy Spencer Davies just tweeted out a video where 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.440 he's talking about, you know, the Calve's injury situation, and 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.759 we know that Donoo is dealing with the ankle coming 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.520 into the playoffs, that is still apparently something that's bothering him. 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.400 He's apparently also dealing with some calf soreness as well. 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.120 You know, if we're playing the injury game, if we're 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:32.560 looking ahead to game two here, because my mentality really is, 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.080 you know, the Calves have found ways to win games 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:38.759 shorthanded all season long. We've seen them be competitive insanely 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:42.920 shorthanded against the Indiana Basers even right, so if they 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.319 can find a way to go out and win Game two, 0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.520 if they are in fact shorthanded, then you have multiple 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.319 days off until you know, Friday, then you just have to, 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.319 you know, kind of compartmentalize in your mind, get us 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.520 split in Indiana, you have home court back. Hopefully we 0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:01.960 get healthier as this series progresses. If we're going into 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.920 game two, and Kenny said that Mobley and Hunter are 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:09.439 both doubtful in his eyes, so we'll see what happens there. 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:13.000 Obviously DeAndre Hunter with a dislocated thumb on his shooting hand, 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:19.400 Evan Mobley dealing with an ankle injury. If Garland, Mobley 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.919 and Hunter are all out, I honestly think you have 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.160 to trust the depth that you have. You have to 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:28.000 trust the guys that have stepped up this season and 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:32.200 start tied Jerome alongside Donovan just to get that supplemental 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:36.719 play making next to him to us to lessen the 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:40.200 burden a little bit more. And then you you trust, 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.799 you trust a Craig Porter Junior to come into the game. 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.759 I think you need to have multiple ball handlers out there. 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.360 I think you need to find ways to make Donovan's 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.080 life a little bit easier rather than asking him to 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:54.120 be that primary initiator when he who's. 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:54.960 Doing my starters? 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:56.399 Who are your five starters? 0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:02.320 I think I would start Jerome, Chill, Struce, Wade and Allen. 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:08.240 That sounds right to me. I like that take. I 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.879 wasn't thinking, I don't think that will happen. I think 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.160 Sam will continue starting, which I thought Sam had a 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.000 really rough defensive game. 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.520 In games that honestly, that game was the difference between 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:22.319 Miami who was floating on the perimeter, and Sam doing 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.279 a really good job navigating screen stained you know, in 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.520 front of his man and guarding guys that actually have 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:30.880 juice off the dribble, right, because all those guys have 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.600 jewe like from a point of a tax standpoint, you know, 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:38.040 that's that's where that's where Sam and honestly even Tye 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:39.239 struggled to stay in. 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.360 Front of the guys got the worst there by the matrix. 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:43.360 Yeah, Tye is going to you know, he's going to 0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:45.520 poke away, he's going to get steals. But he and 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.640 Sam are probably the weakest point of attack defenders. Honestly, 0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:50.440 that's a strength of Darius is he's going to get 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.319 targeted because we switched so much and there's length, But 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:55.439 he does a good job staying in front of his man. 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:59.399 But you know, with the with the toe situation, which 0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:03.040 Brian Wyndhor describe as turf toe on today's podcast, I 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:04.839 don't know if that's going to be the case, right, Like, 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.520 I don't know if he's at seventy percent, if he's 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:10.120 even going to be his normal self at the point 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:10.560 of attack. 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:15.000 But cancer so going with if it is tie, you know, 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.560 I think the thing about starting Dean, and I think 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.200 you kind of have to start Dean because I think 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:25.080 Pascal is, like, you know, for being a generally normal 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.120 sized power forward, the best post scorer in the league. 0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:30.640 Like I get why you know Jokich is, you know, 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.719 he's just got such an outrageous size advantage. But just 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:37.759 like in terms of the post bag, I think Siakam 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:41.959 can go up against anyone. I think it just makes 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:47.640 the most sense. However, if Evan doesn't play, I you're 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.880 going to have to play a lot of minutes small. 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.880 I don't think they want to dust Tristan off in 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.440 the series, though. 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:55.400 I might have to. 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.280 It might be an okay Tristan series, just because Indy 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:04.200 is not on the boards on the ball and and 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.160 you know, a little extra physicality and screen setting can 0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.400 go a long way, because I don't think there were 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.239 a lot of great screen set in Game one. Uh, 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.120 But I do like your idea here justin I actually 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.440 think it is the right call just to say, hey, 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.600 let's play Cavaliers basketball, and Cavaliers basketball means two, three, 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:24.640 four guys who can initiate offense on any given play. 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.200 And I think there is the the other thing that 0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:32.160 is not maybe being accounted if you just you know, 0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.400 roll Sam and Dean out is you're not just losing 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:39.040 the playmaking at the point guard position with no Darius, 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:44.279 You're losing evan ability to run and to initiate in 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.400 the front court. And you just kind of need to 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:48.440 find it because Dean is just knocking. That's not going 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:49.960 to be who Dean. 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:54.839 Is a very very interesting guys. Obviously, let's uh, let's 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.680 get wild, right, let's get crazy. Uh. If that is 0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.680 the case, it's worst case scenario. I think you're gonna 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:03.279 see a lot more zone. You know. I know it's 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:07.240 tough to really extrapolate anything from the regular season matchups 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.520 against Indy, but I think they ran like sixty six 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.800 zone possessions and it was like point eight points per possession, 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:15.920 which would be like dead last offense in the NBA. 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.840 He struggles for zone. That was the last thing that 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.840 Pacers previous. That that is something that you know they 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:22.480 tuggled with. 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.520 And look, I thought, you know the zone, you know 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.640 they if you notice it looked to me to the 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:32.959 naked eye, and I asked Booby Gibson, who was sitting 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:34.719 next to me while we were watching I'm like, did 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.120 they just did they just go from just standard two 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:40.200 three to matchup? And he's like, man, I can't tell, 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.000 And I'm like, I couldn't tell either. The way that 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:44.960 I and I listen. I'm classically trained at the two 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:47.640 three matchup zone for my years at Syracuse, so I'm 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:51.360 always looking for certain indicators, you know, on the wing, 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:54.160 and you know you could play it. Got Beheim had 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.680 like eight different ways to play their matchup zone depending 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.960 on the day, so he was always really hard to scout. 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.919 You wouldn't think the zone is, but I do think 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:08.520 it's it's a tool. Is it an additive? Might be 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:13.919 just by necessity in this series, and you know, look, 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:15.439 what do you give up in his own You give 0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.640 up some rebounding. But I still the way the Cavs 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.680 can chase basketballs and they just seem to always have 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.120 an eye for it, and I thought they did in 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.719 the last game. Maybe it's worth using a little more 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:30.359 than you'd like to typically and just write a mess 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.280 with Haliburton because there's no doubt he got into that rhythm. 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:36.839 The possessions against Jared Allen. I've seen people suggest that 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.759 it's just not a Jared Allen series. Well, guess what, 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.359 we don't have the luxury right now. Yeah, it's an 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.160 everybody series. Who's available. I mean, you just gotta play 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.960 guys and still I mean Jared Allen phill had Haliburton 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.600 out twenty eight feet in the basket taking some shots 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:51.440 that are not easy. 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.200 With those, Yeah, you have to live with those, right 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.680 and if they kill you with the shot making, I 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:01.000 think you do it. But like I think we got 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.600 as Carter said, we got away from our identity. 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:06.319 We were over helping a whole lot. 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.360 We were scrambling defensively, and I think this is just 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:09.799 going to have to be a series where you stay 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:11.640 home a little bit more. We have a lot of 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.600 guys that are very good at screen navigation. Zach Low mentioned. 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.480 You know that the cast face thirty six ball screens, 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.400 and you know the rate at which they switched those 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.520 ball screens was the third highest of any team this season. 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:25.359 I think you have to trust the guys a little 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.440 bit more, particularly, like you know, I was sitting in 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.399 that game and I was like, I don't know if 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.520 this is a series for Sam Merrill. I don't know 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.680 if this is a series for Isaac o'corral, Like I thought, 0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:38.600 o'corral's first shift started off really poorly, and I thought 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.879 he was actually very good on Halliburn. Then I thought 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.520 his second half was very difficult. I was like, you 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.240 know what, this is probably just non o'coro series. Guess 0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:47.799 what now it's going to have to be if these 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.200 guys are out of the lineup, Sam's going to need 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.240 to play, Ocoro is going need to play. You're probably 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.480 going to need to play. Craig Porter Jr. And who 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:59.839 knows Javonte Green is going to play, And you might 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:02.400 you might even want to dust off a Jalen Tyson, 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:05.120 someone who's going to buy you some extra possessions, place 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:09.080 with some physicality and has a thirty ball against Indiana. 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.120 You know, maybe he's got a little bit of confidence here, 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.880 he's shot here, he shot great in garbage time against Miami. 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:20.960 Well yeah, what Miami was great garbage time pregame, post 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.600 game at Live after the you know Club eleven, I 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.719 mean they I think it was all time to score. 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.680 I think, listen, it's all on the table. And you 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.360 know these are these are tough. These are tough because 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.400 you know, you start going through these scenarios. But the 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.920 one thing I know is, like I just the shooting 0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:41.080 variance thing. You started out justin saying that, you know, 0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:43.480 you're a little agitated. People are just gonna chalk a 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:45.120 game up to shooting variants. Then what are we even 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.479 doing here? Why even try to break down the game? 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.480 There's a cause and effect of all of these things. 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:54.160 I do think, you know, the guys that are gonna 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.600 play for the Cavs, they're gonna be some desperation, and 0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.200 I think it's gonna be a little harder for for 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:03.280 Indiana this time I'm around. And when a team makes 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.120 it at the rate that they just made it, sometimes 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:07.239 they can be a little shell shot when some of 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.480 those are in and out or or or don't fall, 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:12.560 and that that starts to break up the rhythms. 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:16.040 So I happened. We watched this happen to the Cavs 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.600 in Game two against the Heat. They go nuts in 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:21.560 that second quarter and then they stop going nuts, and 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:22.359 the like how do. 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:23.680 We play basketball? Again? 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.840 Like it does just break your brain a little bit 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.480 when you're that hot. Like I will say though, like 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:35.640 this is an indie team that can shoot, and and 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:39.600 I don't want to hear any one site that Andrew 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.520 Nimhart is a twenty nine percent three point shooter to me, 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:46.959 because I tweeted this out. He shot sixty fifty five, 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.719 fifty four and forty nine percent from three in the 0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:52.600 four playoff series he has played so far. And I'm 0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:55.439 gonna quote Steve Jones again and say that you'll live 0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:57.880 with it until you can't live with it, And like, 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.640 drove men, this is about eighty two game sample you have, 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:05.440 Like you're gonna have to run these guys off the line. 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:09.600 You're going to need to have discipline, you know, if 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.480 you are gonna switch everything, well, you also can't be 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:16.520 in constant rotation like you like the switches to is 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.000 designed to not give that stuff up. So like that 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.400 is like the thing that makes me the most encouraged 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.680 coming out of that game one is like all the 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.839 stuff from like you're just not playing well and like 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:31.439 the the injuries are very very scary because now you're 0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:35.440 just gonna depend on guys to you know, your ceilings 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:38.319 a lot lower without an Evan, without a DeAndre, without 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.879 a Darius. But like we know, this team's floor can 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:45.479 be very very high even when they're playing the eighth, ninth, 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.879 and tenth guys in their rotation. It used to drive 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:49.880 me nuts when when Daryl Morey would sit there and 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:51.960 he'd say, well, you know, it's a shooting variants like, 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:55.480 you know, small samples. Sorry, a playoff series is a 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.200 small sample, right, Like and I think Carter and I 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.359 will point out at times when we think, hey, this 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:02.520 is the shooting variance game, like that first loss against 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:04.759 Atlanta where the Cavs I think had like thirty four 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.480 wide open threes and couldn't hit any of them. Atlanta 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:09.960 had way fewer and they hit all of theirs. That'll 0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:10.360 point to. 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.319 But when you're talking about eleven wide open threes versus 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:16.839 twenty five, there was something wrong with your process. If 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.200 you brought that to the middle where it's seventeen and 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.080 seventeen and you know, hey, they just shot a little 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.799 bit better on theirs, that's a different story. But you're right, 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.960 Carter about Nemhar, to think, you know, we're so familiar 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.360 with the context of our own team, we missed the 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.440 fact that Andrew Nemhar missed a bunch of time this 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:35.800 season and it took him a little time to defind 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.200 his rhythm previous years. You know, he's been a thirty 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:42.040 five thirty six point three point shooter, like he's not 0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:44.880 a twenty nine percent shooter. You're you're going to have 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:46.960 to respect this guy here, and you're gonna have to 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.200 respect all of these shooters. You're going to have to 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:52.840 make them feel uncomfortable because once teams find a rhythm, 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.680 if you're giving them rhythm jumpers and you're not playing 0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:59.799 defense before the shot in the first half, they're going 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:01.520 to be in a groove and it's going to be 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:03.879 a whole lot harder to turn that fast off when 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:05.959 you start contesting those shots in the second half. 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.240 And by the way, guys, speaking to the whole variance 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:11.960 thing is it's a you know it when you see it. 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.520 I've seen enough James Harden Game seven and big playoff 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:17.759 moments to know when a sampling is now significant and 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:21.880 is now no longer a noisy sample. So I'm with 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:22.319 you there. 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:25.520 Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see who the Cavs 0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.760 have available, who Kenny goes to. You know, he's already 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:30.239 earned that Coach of the Year, he might have to 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:33.280 earn it a second time over Lama. Before we get 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.000 you out of here, is there anything that we haven't 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.680 touched on that you want to mention before we wrap 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:37.239 this thing up? 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:42.000 That Max Trews can play my dodgeball team anytime. What 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.360 a save? What to save? The crowd? I'll tell you 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:47.399 the crowd and everybody knows what I've said about Max 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.240 Strus that was around me watching the game, the amount 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.480 of see that, did you see that? Did you see that? 0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:55.120 And he didn't even shoot well, but it was like this, 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:56.919 this is the effort you need. And I did say 0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:00.640 on our postgame show afterwards, like, man, if they had 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.880 eleven Max Struses in terms of effort from the moment 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:07.600 the game started, probably wouldn't have been, you know, a 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.640 close game down to the wire. I think the calves 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:10.600 would have been okay. 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:14.200 Yeah, Matt, Max, you know, we talked about it before. 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.719 I think the effort is almost always there. I think 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:21.239 he's someone that you know, holds himself and everyone else accountable. 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:24.480 So we're going to need a big Max game if 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:26.080 those guys are out, We're going to need a lot 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:27.960 from Max. We're going to need a maybe a shooting 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:29.920 variance game of our own to tie this up to 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:33.560 one to one. And you do that it's a new series. Hey, 0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:35.719 I picked the Calves to win in five. I believe 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:37.399 they can win four out of five games. I don't 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.360 think it's over if they go down oh two. You 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.000 just don't want to be in a situation where you 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:43.880 have to win, you know, multiple games like that in Indiana. 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:46.160 You want to make life a little easier for yourselves. 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.160 You want to take that pressure off, and you don't 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:50.680 want to be susceptible to you know, a potential shooting 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:54.000 variance game if you outplay them down the road. 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