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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours. A

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Speaker 1: stunning conclusion to a story that shocked the country. A

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Speaker 1: woman accused of murdering her childhood best friend and a

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Speaker 1: plot to steal her baby. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious x one eleven. A Texas woman

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Speaker 1: looking at over fifty years behind bars from murdering her

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Speaker 1: childhood bestie as part of a plot to steal her

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Speaker 1: best friend's baby. Thirty seven year old Meghan Fiera Muska

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Speaker 1: guilty guilty to the murder of thirty three year old

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Speaker 1: Heidi Bruissard. Brussard was first reported missing back in December,

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Speaker 1: a month after she had given birth to a beautiful

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Speaker 1: baby girl. Brussard, absolutely stunning, was strangled dead with a

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Speaker 1: girl Margot in sci Fiaremusca's home. Just a stunning, stunning

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Speaker 1: turn of events. A mother found dead after she and

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Speaker 1: her baby go missing, her best friend busted for kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: How did the whole thing unfold? She can carry is

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Speaker 1: pleading for help finding his newborn daughter, Margot and her mother,

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Speaker 1: Heidi Brussard. This photo shows Broussard dropping off her son

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Speaker 1: at school at around seven thirty Thursday morning. According to

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Speaker 1: Austin Police, it was the last place she was seen.

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Speaker 1: I wants to work and I talked to her eight

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Speaker 1: o'clock and us the last time went talks to her.

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Speaker 1: two Thursdays, she and the baby were nowhere to be found.

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Speaker 1: He tells us. When his son's school called asking for

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Speaker 1: someone to pick up the boy, he knew something wasn't right,

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. You were just

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Speaker 1: hearing k e y ECBs Austin reporter Melanie Barton and

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Speaker 1: speaking with me an all Star panel. Bruce Johnson, owner

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Speaker 1: ESP Investigations, Master Sergeant, Region one Crime Scene Command of Chicago. Hey,

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Speaker 1: they've got a case load about as heavy as Atlanta

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Speaker 1: from Columbia University psychologist, doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis aka Bleeding Heart,

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Speaker 1: also with me forensics expert founder Bare Bones Consulting. I've

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Speaker 1: worked crime scenes with her before, Karen Smith. But right

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Speaker 1: now to investigative reporter at k E y E CBS Austin,

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Speaker 1: Melanie Barden, Melanie, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start where every crime investigation should start now, granted,

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Speaker 1: and doctor Debbie is gonna tell me this. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that Hey, maybe she just got fed up with the

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Speaker 1: whole gig and left interesting. I'm gonna have to question

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Speaker 1: hiker because she left her car behind. Melanie. Let's just

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Speaker 1: start with the morning Heidi brusagists thirty three years old.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what was I doing when I was thirty three? Ah,

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Speaker 1: I had already been ten years in the Fulton County

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Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. Say maybe mmmmm, two years in and

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Speaker 1: then heading for Court TV and a program with Johnny Cochrane.

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Speaker 1: This lady, Heidi absolutely stunning, is missing no clues, Melie.

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Speaker 1: Let's backtrack to the morning she goes missing. What happened?

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Speaker 1: Melanie bardon Kye so what we know is that the

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Speaker 1: last time Heidi Brussard and Margot Carey were seen was

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Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson, Master Sergeant, Crime Scene Commander, Chicago Metro Area. Bruce.

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Speaker 1: There's one good thing, one good thing about what Melanie

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Speaker 1: spotted early in the morning the day she seemingly disappears.

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Speaker 1: Because I've had so many investigations where I have the

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Speaker 1: She has her rollerboard and the garage. You waltz in

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, We've got the video. What does it tell me?

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Speaker 1: The video? The video from the school shows that she

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Speaker 1: an exact timeline. Now what happened to her after that?

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Speaker 1: sucks away from actually trying to find Heidi Brizard. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, you're right as usual. But doctor Debbe Joffe

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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie. It tells me something else. And I'm no shrink,

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Speaker 1: That tells me something psychologically, Doctor Debbie. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: to cut through your fantastic psychoanalysm. Analysm. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: a kid's book fair? I've been to book fair. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Those charges later upgraded to murder when a body of

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Speaker 1: thirty three year old Heidi Broussard was discovered by cops

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Speaker 1: But why because she wanted her boyfriend to stay with her,

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Speaker 1: Baby Girl, Margot, Doctor Debbie, I was stunned the night

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Speaker 1: tell you barely ring and then it goes straight to voicemail.

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Speaker 1: So Melanie, did the school call around six pm? Because

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Speaker 1: what this is telling me, Because we've got a tighter

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Speaker 1: timeline and this is important. So she goes missing. Now

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00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: we've got it down to four hours between eight and

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Speaker 1: twelve if we can count on that phone going to

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Speaker 1: voicemail timeline. What about it, Melanie, what time to the

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Speaker 1: school call? Well, I understand that he has said that

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00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: the school called out around six o'clock saying that he

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Speaker 1: needed to come pick up the boy, and it's when

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00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: he went to go pick up his son and came back.

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00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind the apartment complex is only about

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Speaker 1: ten minutes from the school. So it's not going to

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Speaker 1: take him very long to go pick up this and

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00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: come back. And it's when he came back that he

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Speaker 1: called police, which was around seven thirty. That is making

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00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: a little more sense to me. I'm also learning that

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Speaker 1: he thought she may be visiting somebody within the apartment

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Speaker 1: complex because her car was there, everything was there, and

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Speaker 1: so she would have to be on foot. We also

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00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: know that he Shane proposed to her in November, and

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00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: that's according to what Broussard herself posted on Facebook. What

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00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: else do we know? We know that Rossard's family has

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00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: come all the way from Louisiana to help search for her.

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00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Timmy Brossard called in to k x A N and

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00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: Steady she was en route from Louisiana to Texas to

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Speaker 1: help with the search. She's originally from Late Charles, Louisiana.

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00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: That's what we've learned. She and Kerry have also lived

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Speaker 1: in Kyle, Texas. She had a steady job going. She's

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00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: been working at the same cracker barrel since twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: and the family. Brossard's family is begging for prayers and

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Speaker 1: help finding Heidi. It's very clear that the fiance says

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Speaker 1: she would never have left Silas alone. She would never

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Speaker 1: have just left him at school. And that's where something

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Speaker 1: called routine evidence comes in to doctor Debbie Joffe ellis

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00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: joining us psychologist. She never missed picking up her children.

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Speaker 1: I think that's very important, a very key factor here,

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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie. It certainly is. And again it either comes

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Speaker 1: down to something sinister, a choice she's made, or that

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00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: she was gripped with depression and was suffering some emotional

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00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: state that most people around her didn't realize. And that's

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Speaker 1: not uncommon. Nancy. You know, you're back on the postpartum

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Speaker 1: depression thing, and doctor Debby, how I appreciate you, but

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Speaker 1: it's not factoring in with the evidence as far as

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Speaker 1: I am concerned. Karen Smith, You're right. Listen, investigations follow

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00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: the evidence to the suspect and most cases, but in

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Speaker 1: cases like this, you have to start with those closest

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Speaker 1: to the people that are missing. So if Shane's alibi

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00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: and his whereabouts can hold up to some very intense scrutiny,

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00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: there are other avenues to go down. Take to listen

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Speaker 1: to the latest from the fiance Shane Carrie, and I

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00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: know the cops and investagers doing their job and doing

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Speaker 1: a great job. I just want to do more. It

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00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: feels like we could do more. And that's where everyone

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00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: comes in. This is a group, so I'll do it together.

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Speaker 1: And just I mean, so talk about you know, the

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Speaker 1: way that the car was left, the way that the

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Speaker 1: home was left, everything was like she was home. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's why I thought she was at her friend's house,

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Speaker 1: like she walked to apartment complex. The car seats upstairs,

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Speaker 1: her purses upstairs, her ID wallet, there's no signs of

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Speaker 1: her taking the baby. She would never leave her card

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Speaker 1: door unlocked. Her car door is unlocked, so that's a

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Speaker 1: weird sign. So um, I don't know anything about that.

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00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: And her purses inside her car with all the money,

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00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: so inside of it, her idea, her cards, her full purse.

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Speaker 1: It's just on the thing gone is her the baby,

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Speaker 1: her keys, and her cell phone which s been off

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Speaker 1: since I tried to call her one forty now from

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Speaker 1: Flox seven. But we also know that the three books

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00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: bought at the book fair were in the apartment when

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00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: the fiance gets home, one's cell phone missing and it's

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00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: been turned off. Car seat also inside the apartment. Time

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00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace finally a resolution in the murder

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Speaker 1: of the young mom Heidi Broussard and the kidnap of

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Speaker 1: her baby girl, Margo, just two weeks old at the

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Speaker 1: time she seemingly vanishes into thin air. A little over

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Speaker 1: a week later, Heidi Brossard's body found stuffed in the

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Speaker 1: trunk of a car outside the home of her so

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Speaker 1: called best friend, Megan Fieramusca. Maybe Margo inside the home,

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00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: but even when cops a ride, Fierrimouska insists the baby

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Speaker 1: girl was hers. Investigators say Fierimusca strangled her best friend

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Speaker 1: to death with a dog leash and claimed baby Margos

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Speaker 1: her own. Take a listen to her friends at NBC

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00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers and FBI agents flooding the home overnight of

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Speaker 1: a woman who was once Heidi Broussard's close friend. Authorities

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00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: today saying they discovered Brussard's body in the trunk of

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Speaker 1: a car, her baby Margot was safe inside the house.

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Speaker 1: Megan Fieramusca, also known as Megan Humphrey, now charged with

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Speaker 1: two counts of kidnapping and tampering with a corpse. Friends

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00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: say Humphrey told them she was pregnant. She had an

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Speaker 1: online baby registry listing a due date the same time

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00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: as Heidi Brussard's. When Heidi was giving birth, where was

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00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: the suspect until last night? The investigation was focused one

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00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles away in the apartment complex where

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00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Heidi Brussard lived with her boyfriend Shane Carry and two children,

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00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: where she was last seen more than a week ago.

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00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: A lead was generated that created a location of interest

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00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: in the Houston area cause of death in this case

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Speaker 1: of strangulation. I spoke this morning with Heidi's mother, who

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Speaker 1: told me she felt shocked and betrayed. The woman accused

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00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: of murdering nie mom, Heidi Broussard and stealing her infant

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00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: a none other than Megan Fiamusca, Heidi's best friend. Turns out,

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Speaker 1: Fiaramuska and Brassard had been best friends for two decades

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Speaker 1: after they met at a church camp as children. According

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00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: to invest Skaters, Fieramusca was a quote womb raider who

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00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: faked her own pregnancy for nine months with an evil

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00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: plan to kidnap her best friend's baby, Heidi after Heidi

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00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: had given birth. Amazing how Fieramuska pretended to be pregnant

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00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: herself at the same time as Broussard and even set

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00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: up a fake due date for December one. She even

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00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: went so far as to set up a target baby registry. Now,

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00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: friends of Fieramuska claim she stated as she had given

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00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: birth to a baby girl named Luna May what's bizarres.

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00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Even Heidi Brussard's fiance Shane Carey, thought Fieramusca was expecting

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00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: just like Heidi. Now. At first, Fieramusca was charged with

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00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: capital murder, which of course can equal a death penalty

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00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: in the state of Texas. But somehow Fieramuska and her

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00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: lawyers managed to talk the state down to a fifty

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00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: five sentence Take a listen to our friends at Fox.

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00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: After back and forth about whether evidence was legally obtained,

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00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: fear Musca's lawyer says an agreement has been made, saying,

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00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: quote after considerable discussion and conjunction with significant compelling mitigation

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00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: related to Miss fiar Musca and the possible appellet issues

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00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: related to the search of her residence, both parties feel

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00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: that this is the appropriate resolution. Travis County District Attorney

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Speaker 1: Jose Garza says this plea that includes fear Musca waiving

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00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: her right to appeal will save the family from potentially

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00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: decades of litigation. Fiera Musca's lawyer says, quote, I imagine

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00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: many have questions that will never be adequately answered. Nevertheless,

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00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I hope that this plea brings some closure to this

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00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: family's great loss. I'm just very surprised they didn't seek

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00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: the death penalty on Fiera Musca. Soon after her discovering

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00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: the taught girl alive, baby Margot was reunited with her

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00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: bio Ad Brissard's fiance Shane Carrie now Shane Carrie, set

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00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: out raising the two all alone. Carrie and Brissart also

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00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: shared a son named Silas, who is now, believe it

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00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: or not, seven years old. But we've been looking at

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00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: new photos on Facebook and they show that Carrie has

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00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: been not only taking care of both children all by himself,

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00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: he appears to have found love again following Heidi's horrific murder.

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00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: His Facebook page shows an update stating he's in a

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00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: relationship and I hope he has the very best of everything.

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Speaker 1: All happiness to him and the two children after what

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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: they've lived through. But the bombshell now is that Fieramosca

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00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: will spend the rest of her life behind bars. She's

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Speaker 1: looking at fifty five years behind bars. But de Broussard

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: got a death sentence, her children, a life sentence of

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Speaker 1: life without mommy. Goodbye friend,