1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live to New York, Bloomberg to Washington, d C, 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg to Boston, Bloomberg twelve hundreds, to San Francisco, Bloomberg 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: to the Country Sea Channel one ninety and around the globe. 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: The Bloomberg Radio Plus happened. Bloomberg dot Com. This is 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Surveillance. The morning, seven thirty on Wall Street and 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Michael McKee along with Tom Keane. We had some breaking 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: news just a short time ago. Thermo Fisher is going 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: to buy Fei Corporation four point two billion dollars. The 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: price Thermo Fisher a hundred and seven fifty a share 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: in cash. FBI makes electron microscope's Thermo Fisher makes mass 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: spectrometry systems, and experts say that to our complementary. Google 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: won a Jerry verdict killing Oracle's claim to a nine 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: billion dollar slice of the Android phone business. Oracle had 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: contended Google needed a license to use its Java programming 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: languae to develop Android. UH jury in San Francisco rejected 16 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: that argument. Apple shares still down six tents of eight 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: percent in early trading this morning. Snapchat, if you don't 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: use it, your kids do. The app sends disappearing messages 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: valued at eighteen billion dollars after its latest round of funding. 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: According to a person familiar with the matter, the financing 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: pads of these startups, war Chest wants to evolve from 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: a teen phenomenon into a mainstream media platform. We'll see now. 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: Let's check out with Michael Barr and get the latest 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: world and national headlines. Mike, thank you very much. President 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Barack Obama has paid his respects to the one people 26 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: killed when the US dropped in atomic bomb on a 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: rosiuma Japan and nine memory of the morning of August six. 28 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Let's never fake. President Obama later wreath at Hiroshima Peace 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Memorial Park today and met with some bombing survivors. A 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: French vessel has arrived in the Mediterranean to help search 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: for the egypt airplane that crashed last week with sixty 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: six people on board. Meanwhile, the chief investigator in Egypt 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: says search teams had picked up a signal from one 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: of the devices on the plane that transmits its location. 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: It narrows the search down to a three mile radius. 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: A Korean air flight at Tokyo's airport had to be 37 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: evacuated after an engine fire while on the runway. No 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: one was injured. The Boeing seven and seventy seven, three 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: eighteen people on board was heading to SEUL Global News 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, powered by our twenty four 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: hundred journalists more than a hundred fifty news bureaus around 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: the world. Michael Bark, Thank you, Michael, Time now for 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the land Rover Parcipani Bloomberg NBC Sports update with John 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: Stasha x By staff carry struggled and Golden States to 45 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: lopsided losses at Oklahoma City. People wondered if he was 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: still injured. With the two time m v P look 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: fine last night, thirty one point seven rebound, six assist, 48 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: five steals, Warriors stayed alive one eleven to ut the 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: Thunders lead to three too as they go to ok 50 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: C for Games six tomorrow. Mike D'Antoni, former Nick coach, 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: hired in Houston. The Rangers got a good look at 52 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: just how well the Pittsburgh Penguins were playing back in 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: Round one. Penguins finished the regular season winning fourteen of sixteen. 54 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: It has carried over. They won Game seven from Tampa 55 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Bay to one. Is Rookie Bryan Rush scored twice in 56 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the second period. So the Stanley Cup Final Pittsburgh versus 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: San Jose Game one Monday, Yankees Tonight, we get a 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: ten game road trip at Tampa Bay. They come off 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: two losses that followed the sixth straight wins. They managed 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: just three singles off j half after a Starlin Castro 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: home run on the first eating The Blue Jays won 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: three to one. The Mets host the Dodgers tonight, and 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: the Dodgers are starting nineteen year old lefty Julio Urias. 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: He's from Mexico. He's been dominant in the minor leagues. 65 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Metsr a game behind Washington to top St. Louis two. 66 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: The one brights Harper with an upper deck home run. 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: With the Bloomberg NBC Sports Update, I'm John Stamp Shallow. Well, 68 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: it is uh looking like we're going to open higher 69 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: this morning. SMP features up by two points, style features 70 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: by fifteen. Little change in Europe, though. Everybody waiting for 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: Janet yell and speech this afternoon or appearance. It's not 72 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: a speech, it's a discussion with Greg Mankew of Harvard. 73 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: We'll see whether it produces anything. This is Bloomberg sur ailance. 74 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: I Michael McKee along with Tom Keane, and we are 75 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: looking at dollar index that is little changed, slightly higher today. 76 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: The end comes in at one year, one eleven seventy 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: one pound sixty two. Tom and I watching that it's 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: a little weaker today. It is all about Brexit obviously 79 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: until the end of June. Time now for the BLUEMBERG 80 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: n j I T STEM Report, brought to you by 81 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: a New Jersey Institute of Technology investing more than a 82 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: hundred and ten million dollars a year and applied research 83 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: to solve problems and to improve life. Learn more at 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Stories of Innovation dot m j I T dot ETU. 85 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Here's problem, Good morning, Michael. Here's what's making news in science, technology, 86 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: engineering and math. More. Now, on that copyright infringement dispute 87 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: between Oracle and Google over the Android operating system, Oracle 88 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: says it plans to appeal Google's victory. Still, legal experts 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: say overturning the jury verdict will be difficult and it 90 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: may give comfort to programmers who write applications that run 91 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: across different platforms without a license. Oracle contended Google should 92 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: have licensed its use of Java programming language in its 93 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: Android system, which now runs eight percent of the world's 94 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: mobile devices. Google said it used Java to innovate rather 95 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: than merely copy code. Jurors in San Francisco Federal Court 96 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: rejected the argument of Oracle and concluded that Google did 97 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: make fair use of the code under copyright law. Microsoft 98 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: researchers and the National University of Singapore will collaborate on 99 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: data science, deep learning, artificial intelligence. According to a joint statement, 100 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: the university's new Institute of Data Sciences aimed at nurturing 101 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: scientists for Singapore or a Smart Nation initiative. Microsoft chief 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: shut In Adela attended the signing ceremony in Singapore, and 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: Microsoft and Facebook are teaming up to feed the insatiable 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: demand for bandwidth. The two plan to build a forty 105 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: mile undersea cable stretching from Virginia to Spain. The cable 106 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: will deliver faster online and cloud services to customers of 107 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: both companies. It's to be completed by the fall of seventeen. 108 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: And that is this morning's Bloomberg and j I t 109 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: Stem Report. Michael, thank you very much. Bob moon Well. 110 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: He is a Pulitzer Prize winner. He's an authority on 111 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: international politics and economics. He's written best selling books, and 112 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: the only thing anybody wants to know from Daniel Jorgan 113 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: is what's it gonna cost me to fill up my 114 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: tank as I drive around the country on this Memorial Day. 115 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: He's vice chairman of I h S and he is 116 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: the maybe the world's leading energy experts. Good morning to you, Dan. 117 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: I won't ask you that question, but I will ask 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: you where we are with oil right now. Um, it's 119 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: easy to say does it go up, does it go down? 120 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: But really the question is is kind of uh, where 121 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: are we in the balance of supply and demand that 122 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: will influence prices going forward. It's so striking to see 123 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: how different it is from just three months ago when 124 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: oil was around twenty six dollars and now, as you know, 125 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: yesterday had touched the fifty. So I think it's a 126 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: signal of the market moving back into balance that is 127 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: accelerated in that direction by outages in Canada of course, 128 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: from the from the giant fires. And then uh, worryingly, 129 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: what's happened in Nigeria, which is production is down because 130 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: of basically because of violence and UH and the brooding 131 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: concern about what happens to Venezuela. So all that's reflected 132 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: in the price and UH as as the oil exporters 133 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: get ready to go to Vienna for their next meeting 134 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: of OPEC. Yeah, that does seems to probably have lost 135 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: some of its drama. Absolutely. I mean, you know, we 136 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: remember in February was talking about the freeze UH to 137 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: try and stabilize the price. But the market itself is stabilized, 138 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: it helped by these disruptions. So it's not clear what 139 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: what would be the topic at OPEC other than uh 140 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of continuing where it is and really in the 141 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: in the third quarter, we'll see a market in balance, 142 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: and even this summer we're going to see the combined 143 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: imports of US and Chinese oil into the US into 144 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: China up over million barrels a day compared to last year. Well, 145 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: it's interesting to use the word the market has stabilized. 146 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: How stable is it? We've seen an awful lot of 147 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: volatility over the last twelve months. What does stable mean 148 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: in that context? Well, I think it means that very 149 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: unlikely to see what we saw earlier this year, which 150 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: was really the bottom. And you know, I think in 151 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: sort of February we had capitulation by many producers as 152 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: they cut their budgets by uh, the independent producers. So 153 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: I think you're quite right, it's gonna be volatile. One 154 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: thing to watch is what the main Gulf producers do 155 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: in terms of stepping up production. Uh and uh, you know, 156 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: it'll be all those demands things. So it's not going 157 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: to be you know that. I don't think it's going 158 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: to be stable. It's going to be volatile. And people 159 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: read signals going in one direction or another. But I 160 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: think what happened yesterday was fifty dollars with a signal 161 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: that that we're kind of going to be moving into 162 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: the recovery phase in terms of global oil. Well, we've 163 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: dropped back now at the moment for brand, does it 164 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: breach fifty and and how high could it go? Well, 165 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: we're we've been using sane in the second half of 166 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: the year. We think oil is in a sort of 167 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: average in a fifty ish range, maybe between fifty and 168 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: fifty five. But but around you know, in that safe neighborhood, 169 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: and we got there a little earlier because of you know, 170 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: the outages that that I described before. The real question 171 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: then becomes at what price would frackers come back into 172 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: the market and upset the balance the stability. Yeah, I 173 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: just was in Houston earlier this week and talked to 174 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them, and you know, I think that 175 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: at fifty they start to generate more cash flow. But 176 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: I think that companies and their lenders are going to 177 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: be cautious until they really see some foundation. So there's 178 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: this notion that you know, you've got to get closer 179 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: to sixty or is one CEO told me you have 180 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 1: to have line of sight of sixty to really be 181 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: stepping things up and to convince people and to convince 182 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: boards or directors UH to to make any major steps forward. 183 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: Let's come back with Daniel Jrgan from I AGE as 184 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: interesting speech yesterday by the Republican nominee for a president 185 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: on energy in the future. We'll get his thoughts on 186 00:10:52,960 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: that coming up here on Bloomberg Surveillance. We're cutting down 187 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: to the opening bowl, brought you by the Jeep Grand Cherokee, 188 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: the most awarded suv ever. The Grand Cherokee continues to 189 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: raise the bar with its luxurious interior and legendary four 190 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: by four capability. 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Global equities are headed for 197 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: their highest close in three weeks, the dollars rising against 198 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: most peers as investors wait to see whether comments from 199 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve Chair Jennet Yellen will disrupt the calm that's 200 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: settled over financial markets. We check the markets every fifteen 201 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: minutes throughout the trading day. On the Bloomberg SMP E 202 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: mini futures up one and a half points now E 203 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: mini futures up fourteen and Nasdaq E mini futures are 204 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: up seven. The Dad and Germany's up a tenth of 205 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: upper set ten. Your treasury up one thirty second, the 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: yield one point eight two percent. Nimax screwed oil is 207 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: down one point one per cent, or fifty four cents 208 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: to forty ninety four a barrel comax gold on a 209 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: tenth of upper center a dollar ten to twelve twenty 210 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: one sixty an ounce. The Euro at dollar eleven sixty 211 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: eight again one oh nine point six four and shares 212 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: of f EI more than thirteen percent in early trading. 213 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: And Blackstone Group, the world's biggest private equity property investor, 214 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: planning to sell hotel buildings in London, Dublin and Amsterdam 215 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: for about one point one billion dollars as according to 216 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: people with knowledge of the matter. That's a Bloomberg business flash, 217 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: Tom and Mike Karen, thanks so much Bloomberg Surveillance. This morning, 218 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: buch of my interactive Broker's Investors Marketplace, an online service 219 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: where traders, investors, and institutions can meet in collaborate, enhance 220 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: your business trading experience, and expand your business. Visit i 221 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: b k R dot com slash Services is ib k 222 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: r dot com slash Services. We are honored to have 223 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: Daniel Jurgen with us today on his quest, his prize, 224 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: his commanding heights. But many of you may not know. 225 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: The book that launched Jurgen's career was Shattered Peace. It 226 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: redefined how we studied diplomacy and particularly that between uh 227 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: United States and Russia. Dr Yurgen today was a day 228 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: of remarkable moment at Hiroshima and so much of it 229 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: to me as two nations listening to each other, which 230 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: was part of the heart of your shattered peace. From 231 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: where you sit in with your years of experience, Are 232 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: the Japanese listening to the president? Are the Japanese listening 233 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: to the United States? I think that the to Hiroshima 234 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: clearly had a very big and significant impact to the 235 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: Japanese people and uh connected, I think that the Japanese 236 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: have gotten if anything, they are more concerned recently about 237 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: the relationship with you asked, there's economic, but really the 238 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: strategic because of this kind of polarization is going on 239 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: in East Asia and the controversy over China's stance in 240 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: the South China Sea, which is the highway for two 241 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: fits and world trade interesting and of course you discussed 242 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: that at length in the Prize and the Quest in 243 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: your work decades ago on the need for hydercarbons of Japan. Mike, 244 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: maybe that discourse in the moment in Harosia brings us 245 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: back to what you observed yesterday in the Dakotas in 246 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: our president presidential campaign, well, uh, Donald Trump went to 247 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: North Dakota to give a speech on what his energy 248 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: policy would be. One of the things he suggested, is 249 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: that we just start drilling more and more. And I'm 250 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: wondering it has struck me as immediately as kind of odd, 251 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: given the fact that the economy took a big hit 252 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: from the the over uh supply that we generated, and 253 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if if that's a good idea then uh, well, yeah, 254 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: it's as you say, the world oil market has been 255 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: transformed by what's happened United States, you know, as as 256 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: we talked before OPEC is meeting. But when you think 257 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: about it, there's now there's something we can call the 258 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: Big three of world oil and two of Martin OPEC. 259 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: One is Russia and the other is in fact the 260 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: United States. I think that Mr Trump had a an 261 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: audience that welcomed his remarks in North Dakota because of 262 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: course North Dakota was a state that boomed, had the 263 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: lowest unemployment rate from the development of the box and shale, 264 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: and I think his words fell on very welcoming ears, 265 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: just the general notion of getting production going again. But if, 266 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: of course, uh, it's going to be the global price 267 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: it's going to do that. It's not going to be 268 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: words that will do it. It will respond to, you know, 269 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: to the market. Well, he said, we should have energy independence. Um, 270 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: complete American energy independence, he said, totally independent of the 271 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: need to import energy from the oil cartel or any 272 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: nation hostile to our interest. Uh, does that work? Is 273 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: that what we want? Well? I think that. Um. First, 274 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: if you look at all energy, we're largely self sufficient. 275 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: In fact, we're oversupplied if you look at gas, So 276 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: we're really good talking about oil. And our oil imports 277 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: have gone down from about six of our total supply 278 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: to where they're gonna be up now somewhat, but you 279 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: know around so we're in a much more resilient position. 280 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there is still 281 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: only one global oil market, and you know, the price 282 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: goes up because of outages in Nigeria, and whether we're 283 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: importing oil from Nigeria or not, we're going to be 284 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: reflected here. But energy independence has been a thing that 285 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: presidents and presidential candidates have been calling for since the 286 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three oil embarkment, what President Nixon had and Uh, 287 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: for years and years and years, it looked like we 288 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: were only going to import more oil with jail turned around, 289 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: and it certainly has made our position different. And I'll 290 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: tell you, when I travel elsewhere in the world, there 291 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: is a much greater sense that there's geopolitical consequences, that 292 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: the US is in a better position and more influential 293 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: position because of what's happened with our domestic energy. Okay, 294 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: but within that goes to Mike's original question, the nirvana 295 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: of energy independence means we don't have a relationship with 296 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: strategic and tactical partners. We want to maintain those relationships, 297 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: which means we want a bilateral agreement on energy, don't 298 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: we we want? I mean, I have to become vinced 299 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: over time that the best way to actually let these 300 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: things work is actually let the market work, and that 301 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: it was after all, the market and innovation that provided 302 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: this revolution in US energy. But it was true in 303 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: Mr Trump's remarks, and he also called for the Keystone 304 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: Pipeline to be built. And of course our major source 305 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: of imported oil is in fact Canada. So you know, 306 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: I sometimes think that this term energy independence is kind 307 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: of really a metaphor. But our position as a country 308 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: overall is a lot better than it was even six 309 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: or seven years ago in terms of energy. The Republican 310 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: candidate also suggests that through some magic of his incredible abilities, 311 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: he'll be able to bring back UH coal mining jobs 312 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: and bring back coal as a major supplier of energy. 313 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Is that likely to happen? Well, I think cole is 314 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: down for two reasons. One is, of course it is 315 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: or two looks very hard basically impossible to build a 316 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: new cold fired plant uh and and the pressure on 317 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: existing plants is increasing. But the other issue out there 318 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: is an expensive natural gas and gas is now overtaken 319 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: coal ash as a for our electric generation. You know, 320 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting as a country, we made a huge bad 321 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: and coal in the nineteen eighties for electric generation because 322 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: it was inexpensive and because it was domestic and it 323 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: was secure. And now that position is really eroded. So 324 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: there's gonna be growth and coal conception globally, but not 325 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: in the United States. Dan, do your economists in your 326 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: financial types at HS, do they believe the balance sheets 327 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: have been cleared? Or are we setting ourselves up for 328 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: a summer you know, and I guess end of September 329 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: thirty quarter into November further carnage on balance sheets of 330 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: oil companies. Well that's you know, it's there's a combination. Ay, 331 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: there's a carna should be. There's what the regulators decided 332 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: to do. And I think if we're looking at fifty 333 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: dollar oil, that takes a lot of the pressure off 334 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: companies that there were, you know that's thirty or forty. 335 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: I think the debt problems and that's still going to 336 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: be one of the drags in terms of, you know, 337 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: kind of turning things around. And I don't think we're 338 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: going to see any increased about kind of activity where 339 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: we were adding a million barrels a day for three 340 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: years in a row more or less. But I think, 341 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, so, I still think the debt is there. 342 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: And of course, Uh, the shale industry was a big 343 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: beneficiary of very low interest rates in terms of access 344 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: access to capital. Let me quickly ask you because we 345 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: just have a minute left here. So where does that 346 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: leave the US and this whole question of energy independence 347 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: and our own supplies? Uh? Is this going to last 348 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: even with the price at a level where we're not 349 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: drill and constantly. Yeah, Well, I think that we're seeing 350 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: US production go down, um and uh the high point 351 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: was April of last year, and we'll probably be down 352 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: well over a million barrels a day before things balance out. 353 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: Maybe one point two million barrels a day. So in fact, 354 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see our imports go up modestly. Uh, 355 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, Americans were coming up to Moral day. Americans 356 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: are driving more than ever before. Gasoline prices are still cheap, 357 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: so demand is going up and supply domestic supplies down somewhat. 358 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: And that means in fact that we'll be importing somewhat 359 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: more oil than we were this time last year. So 360 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: energy in dependence I think should be maybe seen as 361 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: a rhetorical aspiration than reflecting the you know, the real 362 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: flows of of supply and demand. Doc, You're gonna thank 363 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: you so much, Daniel. You're with HS of course perspective 364 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: from his commanding. It's great to speak to him on 365 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: this most historic day for our Pacific policy. 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