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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, January thirty, first, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Season thirteen, episode number one oh one. Welcome to another
Speaker 1: edition of The Break. I am Derek Eagleton and we're
Speaker 1: here live in the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's been a little while, two weeks,
Speaker 1: feels like an eternity in the offseason. But happy to
Speaker 1: have the crew back here. We're talking Cowboys football here
Speaker 1: with you guys for an hour. It's super Bowl week,
Speaker 1: so at some point in this show we're gonna nail
Speaker 1: everybody down on Super Bowl predictions and see what these
Speaker 1: guys think is going to happen Sunday for Super Bowl Sunday,
Speaker 1: and then we'll probably get into I know, we will
Speaker 1: get into some desk talk. I think that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: Dave had a little tweet yesterday that kind of sparked
Speaker 1: my interest a little bit. So we're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about Dez Bryant, and we'll start in the show.
Speaker 1: It's some here at the beginning, talking a little bit
Speaker 1: about some coaching changes that have happened. How's everybody doing today,
Speaker 1: doing great? Derek good? Good? Great. I saw Dave's tweet
Speaker 1: and I decided to hold myself and save it for
Speaker 1: the show. Oh wow, it, But I'm like, I'll just
Speaker 1: wait till tomorrow we go getting into this. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into this. We're not gonna get into it right
Speaker 1: now because we've got a couple of things we need
Speaker 1: to hit first, but we're definitely gonna get into this.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this because me and Nick
Speaker 1: has some interesting conversations too. I think Nick has some
Speaker 1: interesting opinions there on Dez Bryant. So not not that
Speaker 1: everybody in the in the whole country that's a Cowboys
Speaker 1: fan or otherwise doesn't have an opinion. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people talking right now about Dez Bryant. Good point.
Speaker 1: We'll jump into that conversation. Before we do that, though,
Speaker 1: catch me up on some news around the coaches. We've
Speaker 1: heard some reports. Now, of course, we got to make
Speaker 1: it clear the Cowboys have not made an official statement
Speaker 1: on any of the coaching changes UM inspecting them to
Speaker 1: do that sometime around May. Yeah. I think at some
Speaker 1: point they'll get around to that and say it's a
Speaker 1: good good time to maybe introduce everybody. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if it just history serves correct, they typically like to
Speaker 1: do it as one big thing, right, they make one
Speaker 1: big kind of introduction, but what tell me about the
Speaker 1: last okay that they do. But that's dumb, okay, so
Speaker 1: that's not you're not announcing anything. Yeah, I mean, well
Speaker 1: that's just I don't know why they do that. You
Speaker 1: probably it's probably should be called an introduction. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: an announcement, it's an introduct Please don't send a press
Speaker 1: release to say that they they've signed or they've added
Speaker 1: Paul Alexander who's had probably is no longer hear type thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It'll be an introduction at some point
Speaker 1: where they'll introduce to the media. But officially, here are coachings,
Speaker 1: our coach, but our listeners know what's going on. They follow.
Speaker 1: So the latest stuff is just that they've UM unofficially
Speaker 1: officially announced that men Bloom will be the linebackers coach.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Keith o quinn will be the special
Speaker 1: team's coach. Yeah, that leaves one unbelievable coach to coach
Speaker 1: Jason Witten to be the eighth tight end coach for
Speaker 1: Jason Witten, I was joking around, I guess yesterday when
Speaker 1: they announced, So, I mean, that's those are the final
Speaker 1: two hires that we don't have a pretty good idea of.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry Jones said that they have an agreement
Speaker 1: with Kellen Moore in place, but he wouldn't say what
Speaker 1: your guests is as good as mine what it could
Speaker 1: be if it's not quarterbacks coach. Um. Yeah, So realistically,
Speaker 1: there's one vacancy left on the staff, which is tight ends.
Speaker 1: And isn't it clear Jason that you really don't are
Speaker 1: the coach and you don't really need a coach? I
Speaker 1: am about to say. I was joking yesterday. I was like,
Speaker 1: would anybody even like bat and eyelid if they just
Speaker 1: were like, we're just gonna have Jason Witten player coach.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have him be the player coach. Does it
Speaker 1: happened in the NFL. I don't know. I'm sure that
Speaker 1: happened back in the day. I don't remember anybody other
Speaker 1: than Pete Rose ever being a player coach Bill Russell
Speaker 1: tattoo yeah, Bill Russell. Yeh um, you say tattoo Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dallas sidekicks great tattoo player coach. Okay, that was like
Speaker 1: he lost me with tattoo. I had no idea, but yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: now you now I'm back with MLS. I would like
Speaker 1: if they were just like, yeah, Jason Witten is gonna
Speaker 1: be tight end one end coach, and he's gonna teach
Speaker 1: Hannah and Swim and whoever else, Enrico and whoever else
Speaker 1: is here. Uh, and that'll just be it. You know,
Speaker 1: the coaching's gonna go do what I do. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I would just be like, just do what I do.
Speaker 1: I would just be like, yeah, that's fine. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: like who are they gonna bring in? I mean, who's
Speaker 1: who they bringing in that You're just like, well, this
Speaker 1: is this is the authority on tight ends right here.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's more of an authority than Jason Witten
Speaker 1: probably be some Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't care at
Speaker 1: all if Jason Witten was the player coach that doesn't
Speaker 1: need to have that would be interestless. It does not, No,
Speaker 1: it does not. I'm sure they will hire a tight ends,
Speaker 1: absolutely something. There'll be somebody in this day's up till
Speaker 1: midnight and gets here at five am and cuts up
Speaker 1: tape and runs the practice. That should not He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to do that. That should not be Jason. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think about those hires though? How do
Speaker 1: you feel about those hires one way or the other?
Speaker 1: Happy for Keith O'Quinn. I think he's definitely paid his
Speaker 1: dues and he's you know, he's done a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about what makes Will McClay
Speaker 1: good as Miltwill was a coach, and he was a
Speaker 1: coach that now is into the player personnel role that
Speaker 1: understands what coaches need. And I think Keith O'Quinn, you know,
Speaker 1: he was kind of the other way around. He was
Speaker 1: in the scouting department for a while and now he's
Speaker 1: been a coach and so you know, he's been bounced
Speaker 1: around different positions, so it's a good opportunity for him,
Speaker 1: and I guess the same could kind of be said
Speaker 1: about Ben Bloom. Right, he's put in his dudes and
Speaker 1: been here. Why quite a while. He's been in. He's
Speaker 1: put in quite a bit of dudes in a variety
Speaker 1: of places. I mean, I think he was he's done.
Speaker 1: He's done a little bit of special teams. He was
Speaker 1: like special projects. He's a defensive end coach. A couple
Speaker 1: of years ago he was Rob Ryan's the one that
Speaker 1: brought him here. Right, Yeah, yes, so he's been I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been putting in So what's what's that seven years.
Speaker 1: I won't quote everything Rob Bryan said because he wasn't
Speaker 1: always flattering towards Ben Bloom, but he you know, but
Speaker 1: he said, there are smarter people in the world. They
Speaker 1: just work at NASA. That's what That's what he said
Speaker 1: about Ben Bloom. Super smart guy. Think took toughs. Uh.
Speaker 1: He had kind of a six lags roller coaster of
Speaker 1: a coaching. I mean there was some time when it
Speaker 1: didn't look like he was even going to be on
Speaker 1: the staff, and there were other times where it looked
Speaker 1: like he was the rising star of the staff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the young guy that you expected to but
Speaker 1: into the top at something. I didn't expect him to
Speaker 1: be on the staff this next year. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he did. And now he's a position coach for
Speaker 1: the first time, so, you know, great opportunity for he's
Speaker 1: he's worked with linebackers before, but it was in a
Speaker 1: three fourth scheme. His buyer will tell you that they
Speaker 1: went to two linebackers made it the Pro Bowl that year.
Speaker 1: He worked as an assistant. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was helping DeMarcus Ware make his seventh Pro Bowl or whatever,
Speaker 1: but well, if there's a position, great where he's going
Speaker 1: to another. If you told me, if you told me that,
Speaker 1: they were like, well, we're just gonna make Sean Lee
Speaker 1: the linebackers coach, I again would not really bad and eyelid.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you still are developing some young guys,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith being one of them that you got to
Speaker 1: take some time with, right Yeah, which I mean my
Speaker 1: point being there's there's a guy in that room who
Speaker 1: can help him a lot in Shawn Lee. So and
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see where it goes. That's it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's interesting the way that they did all this,
Speaker 1: like a lot of in house promotions and then a
Speaker 1: lot of like really far outside help. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Chris Richard is expected to be secondaries coach and passing
Speaker 1: game coordinator, taking over the Mattie Refluse role. Recruiter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sanjay Sanjay Lal is your new receivers coach. So like
Speaker 1: they they went and Paul Alexander. I don't remember if
Speaker 1: we've talked about him, because it's been a minute since
Speaker 1: we've been on the air, but again, a very established
Speaker 1: offensive line coach coming from CINCI. So like a lot
Speaker 1: of established guys coming from other places, and then a
Speaker 1: lot of just promoting your own. So it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of mix and match. But the thing is it
Speaker 1: shouldn't surprise you the promoting from your own because it
Speaker 1: still seems like their overall objective here was to keep continuity.
Speaker 1: And some of these coaches that they lost were not
Speaker 1: coaches they necessarily wanted to lose. They were coaches that
Speaker 1: got other opportunities and decided to take those other opportunities.
Speaker 1: I would mention like Ebrafluis was Eberflus a guy they
Speaker 1: necessarily wanted to leave. He left because he had another opportunity.
Speaker 1: They very much wanted him to stay, right, And you
Speaker 1: can talk about him you can talk about Besachia. Did
Speaker 1: they want to get rid of Besacchia? He's obviously already
Speaker 1: has a job. But I'm just saying he already has
Speaker 1: a job. So we don't know if it was kind
Speaker 1: of a mutual thing or were they trying to get
Speaker 1: rid of him. I don't know. You tell me, well,
Speaker 1: I mean if they if they didn't want him to go,
Speaker 1: they didn't have to let him go. I mean, he
Speaker 1: wasn't he was under contract. Understood that. But that's also
Speaker 1: a thing of Okay, so do you keep a coach
Speaker 1: and it's you know, you have done a disgruntled coach.
Speaker 1: I mean they've done that before, and as soon as
Speaker 1: the guy was able to leave, he was out the door, right.
Speaker 1: Jerry classified it as the right thing to do, which
Speaker 1: is I mean, yeah, I mean it's you know, John
Speaker 1: Gruden is an old friend of his and they've worked
Speaker 1: together going back away as he helped them win that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in Tampa. But to suggest that he didn't really,
Speaker 1: I mean they he's gonna sleep well at night that
Speaker 1: rich Bisacci is not here like here, Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: and don't they're not. That's what And I wasn't saying
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying that they that they were trying to push,
Speaker 1: And that's my question. Doesn't want to be here right right,
Speaker 1: and it's it's mutual parting of ways. He wanted to
Speaker 1: go and they're like, we can live, Okay, we can
Speaker 1: live if you go. But I guess the overall point, though,
Speaker 1: is I think there were two or three coaches that
Speaker 1: at least it looks to me like they were not situations,
Speaker 1: whether cowboys were trying to get rid of them as
Speaker 1: much as it was cowboys just decided you want to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, will allow you to go somewhere else,
Speaker 1: or their contract was up and they had the right
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. I just think what they did
Speaker 1: they did just enough to keep me on the fence.
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm very intrigued and and excited by the
Speaker 1: hiring of Chris Richard, who was a defensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: absolutely coached a lot of great players there. You would
Speaker 1: imagine he's going to bring some new ideas and man,
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, I'm just I'm not gonna go there.
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see hampering Derek, what if we
Speaker 1: learned about it. We'll see we'll see. I'm intrigued to
Speaker 1: know and see if we really see some changes, because
Speaker 1: I think we'll find out exactly where the problem is
Speaker 1: coming from. But then again, they could go to the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Well, it takes some time to get adapted
Speaker 1: to this new coaching staff and everything. That's I guess
Speaker 1: that's where I was going to go is I'm intrigued
Speaker 1: by a couple of those things. You know, Paul Alexander
Speaker 1: coming from from since he's coached some really good offensive
Speaker 1: linemen up there. I mean, they had you know, Kevin
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler is currently the highest paid guard in football
Speaker 1: coming from Cincinnati. Zack Martin's probably going to top that.
Speaker 1: But um, but then, you know, as bitterly disappointing as
Speaker 1: last season was, they were just like, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: keep a lot of these guys that were a part
Speaker 1: of that and just give them bigger job. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not saying anything. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of fans agree with that, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a fair criticism, which if they had done nothing but that,
Speaker 1: then I would be alarmed. But they did just enough
Speaker 1: bringing in new faces where I'm like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: let's see how it goes, see how this goes, but
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, that's that's pretty much where I
Speaker 1: sit with it, which, like I said, there's there's two
Speaker 1: or three hires that really intrigued me, and then there's
Speaker 1: a couple where I'm like, Okay, it's not fine whatever.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about Dez Bryant. This week. There have been a couple
Speaker 1: of different statements that have been made in the media
Speaker 1: that that kind of get that conversation rolling. The one
Speaker 1: I thought that was most interesting and that will kind
Speaker 1: of center our conversation around, was one that Michael Irvin
Speaker 1: form a wide receiver of the Cowboys Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: and Ring of Honor guy, one of the more decorated players,
Speaker 1: definitely wide receivers in history of the Cowboys. And here
Speaker 1: was this quote about Dez Bryant. You don't find number
Speaker 1: one receivers hanging off trees like leaves. So what are
Speaker 1: you going to do? Let Dez go? Who you got
Speaker 1: to replace him? You don't find them this easily. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be stupid, stupid to let this boy go.
Speaker 1: Right now, Dave that I saw the reason why I
Speaker 1: thought that I wanted to bring this up on the
Speaker 1: show is because I then saw you tweet after this
Speaker 1: tweet that it sums up your feelings and not to
Speaker 1: put words in your mouth. So I'll let you kind
Speaker 1: of talk about it. Tell me what you like about
Speaker 1: this statement and how it kind of kind of wraps
Speaker 1: up your thoughts on Dez Bryan what the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: do with him. Well, I think I've said it a
Speaker 1: number of times on a variety of different platforms that look,
Speaker 1: I know, he had a bad year. He had a
Speaker 1: year that is not you can't justify his salary based
Speaker 1: on that. All that good. I know all that. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to convince you that Dez was actually good
Speaker 1: last year, But I do think in the grand scheme
Speaker 1: of things, he is better than anything you could realistically
Speaker 1: hope to find for this coming year. And I think
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of him gives you a problem
Speaker 1: that you don't currently have. Like I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at the landscape of this team and you say, we
Speaker 1: need a left guard, we need better depth to tackle,
Speaker 1: we need to figure out what's going on with our
Speaker 1: line backers. Could always use pass rush help, could you
Speaker 1: stand to improve the safeties. You have a number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver right now, I'm not I know he was
Speaker 1: disappointing last year, but you have a guy who can
Speaker 1: shoulder that workload, and taking him off of this team
Speaker 1: makes your wide receivers as as disappointing as he was.
Speaker 1: I think it makes your wide receiver corps immeasurably worse,
Speaker 1: and it gives you a hell of a job of
Speaker 1: replacing him right now. Maybe I mean in the long run,
Speaker 1: sure you can do that, but I'm talking about in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. I think your wide receiver corps is noticeably
Speaker 1: worse if he's not part of it. Nick, you agreed, disagree.
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's on the table. This is
Speaker 1: late January and I'm still looking at all options. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask him to take a pay cut, because if
Speaker 1: he wasn't making not a lot at all and had
Speaker 1: a blow up season, he'd be asking for a raise.
Speaker 1: So he is making a lot of Money's the third
Speaker 1: highest paid receiver in the league. He had a year
Speaker 1: that was in the twenty five pretty much drank twenty
Speaker 1: fifth across the board in all three major categories. So
Speaker 1: I would ask him to take a pay cut. Actually,
Speaker 1: he hasn't really lived up to the contract for the
Speaker 1: last two seasons now, so but I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll I don't. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he'll he'll get that. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he'll he'll agree with that. But I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at all options. I want to see, maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: can you draft someone, Maybe can you do free agent,
Speaker 1: Maybe something's better. I mean, I don't understand what you're
Speaker 1: saying about if he's not on the team. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's probably worse unless you throw that money into another player,
Speaker 1: you know, from another team. I got a couple of
Speaker 1: things that you tipped me off that we were gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about this like I brought the thunder today,
Speaker 1: Like I'm ready to talk about this, sure one well
Speaker 1: before before, but real quick, before you get to that, though,
Speaker 1: I want to let Amber kind of sound off on
Speaker 1: whether she agrees overall with that statement or not. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I do agree that you can't just get
Speaker 1: rid of him when you don't have anybody else lined up.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, here's where my problem comes from
Speaker 1: from the statement that Michael Irvin made the saying you
Speaker 1: guys need to kind of back off on this and
Speaker 1: less wait till next year, reload again and give it
Speaker 1: another shot. Well you can't say that, and that really
Speaker 1: bothered me because you wait a whole year to play
Speaker 1: sixteen games with the hope of a few more than that.
Speaker 1: But again, it's not a game that you a season
Speaker 1: that starts every four months or so. You wait so
Speaker 1: long to play for this little amount of games, and
Speaker 1: then it's not that easy to like, oh yeah, let's
Speaker 1: just give it another shot. No, you guys need to
Speaker 1: figure out. But the complicated part, it just goes again
Speaker 1: with the whole thing that you can't bring someone else.
Speaker 1: And then even if you drafted a guy, you would
Speaker 1: want a veteran here and someone that has that kind
Speaker 1: of experience and knows the team. But I just more
Speaker 1: of the fact that I do I agree with him
Speaker 1: probably needing to be here another year is just what
Speaker 1: bothered me. Was that second statement that Michael Irving gave,
Speaker 1: well you can back off of this, Well that, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of football. Though, like we spend so
Speaker 1: much time, we spend eighty five percent of the time
Speaker 1: talking about it and fifteen percent of the time actually
Speaker 1: watching it, there's sixteen games, less than fifteen percent. It
Speaker 1: gives you, it forces you into tough situations like that,
Speaker 1: And I mean, is that not what's happening with the
Speaker 1: coaching staff right now. I mean you're like, hey, it
Speaker 1: was a bad year, We're gonna reload, We're gonna try
Speaker 1: this again. If next year is bitterly disappointing, you think
Speaker 1: the changes will be as minute as they were this
Speaker 1: year in the grands, Probably not. You're probably making wholesale
Speaker 1: changes if you know, if they don't make the playoffs
Speaker 1: or if they have a losing record next year. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a stretch to say. And so I
Speaker 1: look at it similarly with Dez. I mean, you chalk
Speaker 1: it up to you chalk it up to a crap year.
Speaker 1: I'll cross the board and you try to reload. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see that, And so I'm basically saying I see
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin's logic and saying I don't like Michael Irvin's
Speaker 1: first line. Number one receivers don't grow on tree. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's thirty two number one receivers obviously, So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody's got to be the number one receiver. But we're
Speaker 1: talking about the third highest paid receiver in the league,
Speaker 1: and and and it's not He's not producing anywhere close
Speaker 1: to that. That's the issue. And you know, I've never
Speaker 1: heard the term Dez friendly. I've heard Romo friendly, I've
Speaker 1: heard Dak friendly. Let's make these this offense friendly to
Speaker 1: help this quarterback. I don't know if Dez is Dak friendly,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that he is, and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that it's best for for Dez to be with DA.
Speaker 1: But they're clearly saying we want things to be Dak friendly.
Speaker 1: They're gonna center this thing around Dak. This is and
Speaker 1: this is something I meant to bring up your last statement,
Speaker 1: And it's something that's been bothering me for a week
Speaker 1: since Jerry and Stephen brought this up at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Am I am? I crazy? Like I just feel like
Speaker 1: the world is just choosing to lump Dez's twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: season in as like this bitter disappointment. He was good
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. He did not put up numbers, but
Speaker 1: fitting up his salary. But he is not playing in
Speaker 1: an offense that puts him toward that he knew going in.
Speaker 1: This is a run heavy team with a rookie quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he went out. I think he missed three games.
Speaker 1: What he caught like fifty balls for eight hundred yards
Speaker 1: and eight touchdowns. He made clutch plays down the stretch
Speaker 1: in the second half, long touchdown against Pittsburgh, was one
Speaker 1: of the only guys who delivered on offense against Minnesota,
Speaker 1: put up something like six or seven hundred yard games
Speaker 1: and went off in the playoffs. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty yards and a touchdown against Green
Speaker 1: Bay and that loss. He played well. His numbers do
Speaker 1: not show that because he's playing with a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: But to lump twenty sixteen in as well, you know why,
Speaker 1: you know why that's happened. The reason why that happened
Speaker 1: is because it's sandwiched between two years that weren't for sure.
Speaker 1: And so that's why when you look at and when
Speaker 1: you compare those three years to the three years previous
Speaker 1: to that, there is a stark contrast. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why people are starting to say, well, maybe you're
Speaker 1: getting the downside of Dez Bryan in the last three years,
Speaker 1: even though I agree with you. In sixteen he had
Speaker 1: a good year. You can't twenty seventeen. And it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's an excuse to say he was hurt in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: even though it's true. But everyone had a good year
Speaker 1: in two sixteen. Basically. Yeah, but again, that's the kind
Speaker 1: of energy that bounces off of each other. Now you
Speaker 1: got a year that your running back goes out and
Speaker 1: you are you're counting on the receivers to kind of
Speaker 1: help out this offense, and the number one receiver doesn't
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, that's a problem. And you can't
Speaker 1: blame it on Dak. I mean I get that, Dad. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's not perfect, and part of it was, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't play one hundred percent great. I agree, But
Speaker 1: one of the things that I see, Okay, you go
Speaker 1: into the second year, you had training camp, you had
Speaker 1: all those practices that you have during the week out
Speaker 1: there on the field, practicing with each other, and you
Speaker 1: still don't see a progress between the two. You still
Speaker 1: don't see that connection. And take away the fact of
Speaker 1: all those plays where Dag didn't throw well the ones
Speaker 1: that he did, still it was death. He couldn't as
Speaker 1: a RECEI he couldn't do the job as a receiver.
Speaker 1: I would argue though, And that's another thing. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about how bad their chemistry is. It looked
Speaker 1: fine in twenty sixteen. I mean maybe it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't as good as it was with Tony Romo. Tony Romos,
Speaker 1: which is to be expected exactly, So don't even come
Speaker 1: at me with that, because if you expect Dac to
Speaker 1: be on that level right now, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it. Like the blueprint for the way this team
Speaker 1: operates changed when Tony Romo lost his job. It's not
Speaker 1: that team anymore. And by the way, you signed Deaz
Speaker 1: to play for that kind of quarterback. So no, this
Speaker 1: contract is not great and it would be wise to
Speaker 1: probably try to get out of it maybe next year
Speaker 1: if his play doesn't improve. But I think it is
Speaker 1: what it is. And like I said, I think with
Speaker 1: all that stuff being said, this is a team that's
Speaker 1: built a very specific way. There's a very specific way
Speaker 1: for this team to win, and losing your running back
Speaker 1: and your left tackle for a significant chunk of the
Speaker 1: season drastically altered that. Again, not trying to say it.
Speaker 1: Deaz played well, but I think you have to take
Speaker 1: all that stuff into account and just saying he's crap.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go and take our first break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, I think we're going to change the
Speaker 1: conversation a little bit because I think there are really
Speaker 1: two questions here that we need to answer. Number One,
Speaker 1: is this team really worse off if Dez Bryant is gone?
Speaker 1: Because I think we need to look back to those
Speaker 1: three games where they missed him in twenty sixteen and
Speaker 1: see if maybe that gives us some perspective. And then
Speaker 1: the second thing is, if you really believe they have
Speaker 1: to replace him, are there better options out there, specifically
Speaker 1: in free agency that you could bring in If you're
Speaker 1: going to pay top dollar, should you be paying top
Speaker 1: dollar maybe to a better option. I think those are
Speaker 1: the two questions we got to answer. We'll do that
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. It is the second
Speaker 1: second of the Break live from the s w DC
Speaker 1: Mortgage studios. At the start, we're talking about Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: some interesting thoughts. I guess in that initial segment what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do is I want to focus in
Speaker 1: a little bit on two specific things. One Michael Loran
Speaker 1: kind of made and I think actually, Dave, you made
Speaker 1: this point that you feel as though with Dez being
Speaker 1: gone there would be a big, gaping hole left without him.
Speaker 1: Whether it's the production or not, there's something that you're
Speaker 1: missing if you don't have him. I want you guys
Speaker 1: to discuss for a second the three games period in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when Dez wasn't here, when he was out injured,
Speaker 1: and if you look at those three games, I went
Speaker 1: back and pulled some of the numbers. They won all
Speaker 1: three games, cowbel Boys with three and oh in those
Speaker 1: three games, Dak had two hundred and forty seven two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven and two hundred and forty five
Speaker 1: yards in the three games, had a total of six
Speaker 1: touchdowns and only one interception. They played pretty well. Terrence
Speaker 1: william was the leading receiver in two of the games. Zeke,
Speaker 1: which was the big story, played out of his mind,
Speaker 1: had one hundred and fifty seven, one hundred and thirty four,
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty eight. But when you start thinking
Speaker 1: about how this team was constructed, and Dave you kind
Speaker 1: of mentioned this as well. Who they beaten here? They
Speaker 1: beat Green Bay at Green Bay, which is a big
Speaker 1: win I think, and then they beat Cincinnati at home,
Speaker 1: and then they beat San Francisco in San Francisco, which
Speaker 1: San Francisco and whatever, Cincinnati probably whatever. I just feel
Speaker 1: like here, I mean, I'm just looking at the order
Speaker 1: is not Yeah snows it was at San Francisco, then
Speaker 1: at home against Cincinnati, then at Green Bay got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not missing that Cincinnati game. What happened then? Zeke
Speaker 1: at Zeke balled out? Nothing? Lead? Yeah? Yeah, right, keep
Speaker 1: away from them. But my point is that if you
Speaker 1: look at how this team is constructed, which you guys
Speaker 1: have all talked about, this team is constructed to be
Speaker 1: a running team, and maybe that means you don't need
Speaker 1: to have a high paid, top wide receiver in order
Speaker 1: for this offense to go. Assuming your running backs in
Speaker 1: place and he's not out suspended for six games, and
Speaker 1: assuming your offensive line is intact, what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: I think there's merit to that. And like I, you know, Des'
Speaker 1: contract is not good for this team in the long haul,
Speaker 1: and I've said it a million times. In an ideal world,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you would go through this year as
Speaker 1: best you can, keeping him, and then seek to offload
Speaker 1: that deal next year because it's easier and more friendly
Speaker 1: to do. Um I think there's something to be said
Speaker 1: for that. But again, that's great they played. They played
Speaker 1: great in that three week stretch. I think I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm leary about the idea. I mean, let's I'm assuming
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler is no longer a part of this team
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen either, which he had a role in
Speaker 1: at least two of those games. He had a touchdown
Speaker 1: against San Francisco and was big for this That was
Speaker 1: his best game, one touchdown, and he was big for
Speaker 1: them against Green Bay too. He had a nice touchdown
Speaker 1: on that drive right before the half, so he played
Speaker 1: a role there. So you're basically saying, I mean, if
Speaker 1: if you're not keeping Dez, you're signing a mid tier
Speaker 1: receiver replacement in free agency who I mean, maybe he's better,
Speaker 1: maybe isn't for the month, and and you're still you're
Speaker 1: overpaying him, so you're still gonna have to pay more
Speaker 1: than you probably want to, or you're drafting a guy
Speaker 1: who history indicates won't likely be ready to go from
Speaker 1: day one, especially with a rookie quarterback. And I've got
Speaker 1: numbers to back this up, just in case you were curious.
Speaker 1: I wasn't at work yesterday. I spent the entire afternoon
Speaker 1: researching wide receivers. In the time since Dez Bryant has
Speaker 1: been drafted, So, going back to twenty ten, two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty receivers have been drafted into the NFL. Thirty
Speaker 1: seven of them have made a what I would call
Speaker 1: a significant impact in their rookie year, which so my
Speaker 1: cutoff for that was forty catches, give or take six
Speaker 1: hundred yards, give or take five touchdowns, give or take.
Speaker 1: Thirty seven guys hit those How many of those were
Speaker 1: first round picks? Twelve of the thirty seven, and seven
Speaker 1: of those twelve were in the top fifteen. How many
Speaker 1: overall were first round picks? Like, That's what I want
Speaker 1: to know, is, like you you're total number of two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty something that were drafted wide receivers ever drafted.
Speaker 1: I'm asking how many first round wide receivers were drafted,
Speaker 1: and then compare that number to how many of those
Speaker 1: were I can impactful players. I can answer that for you.
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not going to do it on the
Speaker 1: air because I would have to go through but thirty seven.
Speaker 1: So of the thirty seven guys who have hit that milestone,
Speaker 1: twelve of them were first round picks, ten were second,
Speaker 1: So you're you need to draft the guy high, first
Speaker 1: or second. Right. Yeah. And by the way of the guys,
Speaker 1: of those thirty seven guys, nineteen of them matched what
Speaker 1: you're calling a bad season by Dez Bryan in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Nineteen guys in the last eight years. Right. But if
Speaker 1: you get if you get that production in their rookie
Speaker 1: year of what you call the bad season, your expectation
Speaker 1: is that that's their floor. Right, sure, right, but there's
Speaker 1: an eight percent chance you're going to get a guy
Speaker 1: who's capable of doing that in his first year. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know that because we don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a first and second round pick. That's why I was
Speaker 1: asking the total number that are first and second round
Speaker 1: picks fifteen of the nineteen or first and second round picks.
Speaker 1: Even still, and I can go back and do this,
Speaker 1: but you're still talking. You're talking six second round picks
Speaker 1: out of probably thirty that have been drafted. And that's
Speaker 1: why I want to know. The numbers aren't in your favor.
Speaker 1: It's the point I'm trying to make. Then you go
Speaker 1: to free agency, who you who are you looking at.
Speaker 1: I got a name for you, go for it. I
Speaker 1: think Jarvis Landry is a guy that you definitely should
Speaker 1: look at. If you talk about can you is there
Speaker 1: a way for you to take the money that you're
Speaker 1: giving to Dez Bryant? And what's wrong? Nothing? This is
Speaker 1: where my contract no, and and because he's too I
Speaker 1: don't know. But here's the deal. You think about it
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of a guy like Jarvis Landry, if
Speaker 1: you signed him to a long term deal, it is
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old wide receiver. You signed him
Speaker 1: to a long term deal, there's a way for you
Speaker 1: to get him for this year for relatively cheap. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's going to count against your cap. So all that
Speaker 1: being said, would you rather have a guy like Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry who is a guy who has great hands, runs
Speaker 1: great routes that maybe adds that that extra little whatever
Speaker 1: you need in a in an offense where let's let's
Speaker 1: face it, what's most important in from a receiver. I
Speaker 1: think in this offense is can you move the chains?
Speaker 1: And I think he is a volume receiver. He fits
Speaker 1: the bill. I think he checks a lot of the
Speaker 1: check marks of what would be a great receiver in
Speaker 1: this particular offense, you're going to spend the money on
Speaker 1: somebody like that, then, does that make make it more
Speaker 1: palatable to not have Dez Bryan on this team. I
Speaker 1: absolutely despise the idea of cutting Daz just to take
Speaker 1: on another seventy million dollar contract, and that's what it
Speaker 1: would cost. You're talking, Oh, yeah, you gotta have to
Speaker 1: pay him, no doubt about. You have to pay him.
Speaker 1: Boatrack dot Com puts his market value at thirteen point eight,
Speaker 1: and teams drastically overpay for market value all the time.
Speaker 1: Franchise tag is sixteen based on what Jarvis Landry's done
Speaker 1: in his career. It's understandable if he tries to demand fifteen,
Speaker 1: and it won't be surprising if he gets it right.
Speaker 1: So you're cutting days to immediately take on a similar
Speaker 1: number with no guarantee that it's going to pay off
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen so far from your quarterback however, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you cut Daz this year, you save about
Speaker 1: eight million on your cap and you could probably save
Speaker 1: more if you did them, if you'd cut him after
Speaker 1: June for you know, designated. You can't use that money,
Speaker 1: you don't, Yeah, you don't use it on that, but
Speaker 1: you you use it when you that's when you pay
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence and all that kind of stuff, right, you
Speaker 1: can do Zach Martin after June first also, um, but
Speaker 1: but I you know you also you got Romo's money
Speaker 1: that's counting this year as well. So I agree with
Speaker 1: your point about you front you backload the contract a
Speaker 1: little bit where you can kind of make that swap,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about a twenty nine year old receiver
Speaker 1: to a twenty five year old receiver who runs better
Speaker 1: routes and is better a better fit. Like I see
Speaker 1: that part of it there. Because if you say you're
Speaker 1: gonna save eight million dollars if you cut days, but
Speaker 1: what do you I mean, what does Terrence make four
Speaker 1: million a year something like that? Four point five okay
Speaker 1: four point five as as a number two receiver, So
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta replace it somehow, So you're
Speaker 1: not really gonna save a lot of money. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that would be a bold move. But I kind
Speaker 1: of can see the point because what this team needs
Speaker 1: is a better route runner, a guy that can adjust.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're gonna keep Dez on this team,
Speaker 1: then sang law this new receiver's coach. You need to
Speaker 1: put him to work, and he's not. If he doesn't
Speaker 1: take a pay cut, then Desney needs to spend the
Speaker 1: entire year trying to get better at running routes. That's
Speaker 1: just you wouldn't think that after an eight year career,
Speaker 1: but he needs to. So it's holding him back. Let
Speaker 1: me let me ask you this. Y'all just outline that
Speaker 1: so beautifully, and so I just I feel like we're
Speaker 1: walking into a trap here. You're not. You're not walking
Speaker 1: into like there. I mean, you can have whatever opinion
Speaker 1: you want. It's totally doable. The Cowboys have something like
Speaker 1: twenty million in cap space. Would you agree that they're
Speaker 1: not going to get a long term deal well done
Speaker 1: with DeMarcus Lawrence before free agency, before free four the
Speaker 1: league year starts. Probably yeah, Probably not. It seems unlikely.
Speaker 1: I'd have no idea why it was a report out
Speaker 1: the other day to sit that they were trying to
Speaker 1: that it might, but I don't know. Steve Oh Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said at the Senior Bowl that he wants to
Speaker 1: get it done as quickly as possible and not have
Speaker 1: to use the franchise and if it does, it's that
Speaker 1: means it's a very favorable deal for the organization if
Speaker 1: you and maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: and I'm done with the Pro Bowl, I would sit
Speaker 1: in my house and not risk injury for anything and
Speaker 1: know that I'm either about to get a one year,
Speaker 1: seventeen million dollar payday or I'm going to hit the
Speaker 1: open market and somebody might get really nuts. I have
Speaker 1: no idea why he would agree to a deal right now.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, maybe he will, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me. So you're spending seventeen
Speaker 1: million of your twenty million on DeMarcus Lawrence for the
Speaker 1: time being. Assuming you don't get an extension done with
Speaker 1: Zach Martin right now, you can restructure Travis Frederick's contract
Speaker 1: to give you something like six seven million. This is
Speaker 1: all coming from spotrack dot com. You can look at
Speaker 1: it yourself. This isn't it's not like. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this question real quick, just as a point of clarity.
Speaker 1: When you say you have that seventeen million against your cap,
Speaker 1: do you have to be under the cap starting with
Speaker 1: free agency? Once you tag let's say they have to
Speaker 1: tag him. Once you tag him, do you have to
Speaker 1: have that seventeen million allotted against your cap? I believe
Speaker 1: so it's held, it has to be accounted for you. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't sign his tender and until July,
Speaker 1: and you have to stay under the cap the entire
Speaker 1: free agency period. Like I thought there was a point
Speaker 1: at which there was like a date with after which
Speaker 1: everybody has to be under the cap. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that there was, like that was always you had to
Speaker 1: be under the cap. Is that accurate? You have to
Speaker 1: be under the cap by the start of the league year, right,
Speaker 1: and then your top fifty one salaries count right? Okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: So with all the finagling and the Cowboys do this
Speaker 1: every year, it's not as drastic as it sounds. Even
Speaker 1: if you have to carry the franchise tag, they can
Speaker 1: probably find a way free up about ten million in
Speaker 1: cap space. If they were to get an extension done
Speaker 1: with Zach Martin, that would probably give him another four
Speaker 1: to five million, Like you're talking about as much as
Speaker 1: like fifteen million dollars in cap space. You can do it,
Speaker 1: no doubt. And then that's not even including cutting Deaz,
Speaker 1: which would free up another eight. So if you want
Speaker 1: to make a splash, you got the money, you can
Speaker 1: make the money to do you absolutely can, would you
Speaker 1: really do you? And maybe you do. I hate the
Speaker 1: idea of doing all that work and then immediately tying
Speaker 1: myself to Jarvis Landry or Alan Maybe Alan Robinson's your guy.
Speaker 1: You can go get him for thirteen million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: I don't love that. And then after there's a kind
Speaker 1: of a steep drop off after those two. You got
Speaker 1: Marquis Lee. There's not a lot of great free agents
Speaker 1: outside those Marquis Lee and Paul Richardson who have never
Speaker 1: had thousand yards seasons, Sammy Watkins, who's had injury issues.
Speaker 1: I hate the idea of turning around and handing that
Speaker 1: kind of money to one of those guys when I've
Speaker 1: already got Dez Bryan on there. I'm already overpaying a receiver.
Speaker 1: He's already been here, he's already comfortable. As far as
Speaker 1: I know, he gets along with everybody in the locker room,
Speaker 1: even in light of all this stuff. I mean, if
Speaker 1: he left the team, who knows what would come out.
Speaker 1: But I don't have any reason to believe that there's
Speaker 1: some type of rift in the locker room. What if
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry is deck friendly, because it is not. The
Speaker 1: problem I have with Michael Irving's statement about being number
Speaker 1: one is that how many number one receivers have defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators said we'll give you Deaz, we'll give that to you.
Speaker 1: We're not giving you Beasley, and we're not giving you Witten.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take away your easy throw and we're gonna
Speaker 1: make you have a hard throw. That to me. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's all on DEAs because I
Speaker 1: think Dak that's where Dak Dad can't make that throw consistent. Now,
Speaker 1: that's where his end experience has come into play. And
Speaker 1: I think when we talked to all years is defense
Speaker 1: coordinators is going to figure him out. I think they did.
Speaker 1: I think they figured it out and they won. They
Speaker 1: said we will will. We're not giving you these short throws.
Speaker 1: You have to go these fifty fifty balls. And it
Speaker 1: was about fifty fifty. He caught what sixty something passes,
Speaker 1: sixty nine passes. It was like one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty, So it was about fifty fifty
Speaker 1: on every ball. And you know we call them fifty
Speaker 1: fifty balls the faith. Everything was fifty fifty with Daz,
Speaker 1: not all Deaz's fault Dak. Dak still has to figure
Speaker 1: that out. But I'm talking about if they're making Dak friendly,
Speaker 1: maybe Dez isn't anymore. And you know, that's the interesting
Speaker 1: thing about this whole conversation. I think if Dak goes,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, if Dez goes to another team
Speaker 1: with a more experience, more accurate, will order back, he
Speaker 1: will light it up and have a great year. This
Speaker 1: is not about Dez by himself. This is about, like
Speaker 1: you say, Nick, this is about is Dez a great
Speaker 1: fit for Dak? And that's why I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's accurate. I think there might be. And that's why
Speaker 1: I bring up the guy the name Jarvis Landry. I
Speaker 1: think a guy like him that gets open more, it
Speaker 1: has more separation, has better hands. In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: think he might be a better fit for this offense
Speaker 1: and what they're trying to do converting those third downs
Speaker 1: moving to chains. I think he might just be a
Speaker 1: better fit than Dez is in this offense. I already
Speaker 1: I think it's a knee jerk reaction to say Dak
Speaker 1: and Dez just absolutely don't fit because I thought, I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody saying that. I'm saying, all right, that's
Speaker 1: what it's being sucret. Well, I never got to the
Speaker 1: other half of my hypothetical, which is, would you rather
Speaker 1: do all that finagling, maybe jeopardize your long term cap
Speaker 1: by backloading another deal for another receiver paying him seventy
Speaker 1: million that's what it would cost to sign Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: Or would you rather just grin and Barrett hope that
Speaker 1: des can recover and spend one of your first three
Speaker 1: draft picks on a receiver, because that's again looking at it,
Speaker 1: that's where it says you have to find these guys.
Speaker 1: I think you still you still would spend a pick
Speaker 1: one top three picks on a wide receiver, whether you
Speaker 1: go out and get a free agent or not. And
Speaker 1: if that's I just I don't understand the point of
Speaker 1: putting new money and new deals with new years on
Speaker 1: the table. When so all right, let's you keep Dez.
Speaker 1: You just you don't touch his money, you just leave
Speaker 1: it alone. You restructure Frederick because knock on wood, he's
Speaker 1: never missed a snap in his life. You can go
Speaker 1: get Juju Smith Shuster sixty second overall pick. You can
Speaker 1: get Cooper Cup sixty ninth overall pick, Sterling Shepherd forty,
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas forty seventh overall pick. And then you got
Speaker 1: your freak shows, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: That's probably not realistic. Jordan Matthews forty second overall pick,
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry sixty third overall pick. You can find solid receivers.
Speaker 1: You can find really solid receivers even as late as
Speaker 1: the second round. Bring them in here. Don't make them
Speaker 1: do it all from day one, because very few guys
Speaker 1: have proven they can handle that. Let them be the
Speaker 1: third right wide receiver on this team. And if Dez
Speaker 1: doesn't recover, or if Terrence doesn't recover, hell, you could
Speaker 1: cut them both next year and it would be way
Speaker 1: better for you. But my thing about it is when
Speaker 1: you're talking about sticking with what you got, I think
Speaker 1: that what we're seeing in today's NFL is that sticking
Speaker 1: with what you got gets you beat, especially if you're
Speaker 1: offensive or defensive coordinator, is not creative enough to do
Speaker 1: different things with them than what you did before. You
Speaker 1: look at some of the teams now that have had
Speaker 1: success over the last several years, a lot of them
Speaker 1: went out and they got a piece here, piece there,
Speaker 1: or piece there that they added to a team that
Speaker 1: kind of pushed them over the top. We saw it
Speaker 1: happen with the Giants couple of years with their a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago with their defense. We saw the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos do it. They went out and got three
Speaker 1: a player at each of the levels on their defense,
Speaker 1: and it took their defense all the way to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We saw the Eagles last year. They did
Speaker 1: the same thing. They even got a Ji in the
Speaker 1: middle of the year. All I'm saying is if you're
Speaker 1: staying the same, if you're gonna say we're just gonna
Speaker 1: roll out what we got, well, then you better be
Speaker 1: really really creative with doing different things with those players.
Speaker 1: You can't do the same thing in today's NFL, I
Speaker 1: don't think and be successful. The Broncos are a very
Speaker 1: rare example where they just they bucked the trends. I
Speaker 1: mean they did. They went out and plashed a bunch
Speaker 1: of money and immediately were in three straight in AFC
Speaker 1: title games and won a Super Bowl. But that's just
Speaker 1: three examples I just gave you in the last five
Speaker 1: years the Eagles. I don't chalk that up in the
Speaker 1: same like the Eagles took calculated risks that paid off Alshon.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey was a one year deal, right, That's not what
Speaker 1: we're talking about with Jarvis Landry. How much they paying
Speaker 1: for that one year or eight million dollars that was it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't give him money at all. I mean they
Speaker 1: extended him this year. They didn't. They get some free
Speaker 1: agents on their defense. On defense side of all, Timmy
Speaker 1: Joern again. Timmy Joern again was a trade for like
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. J giy was a trade for
Speaker 1: a fifth round Yea. All I'm saying. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is they've changed up their team. So what are you
Speaker 1: gonna It's not just about the draft. I think you
Speaker 1: got to bring in some players and change it up
Speaker 1: or you're gonna be in a gonna be in a
Speaker 1: situation where you're doing the same things. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that works if you've got twelve million dollars on
Speaker 1: your salary cap. I'm all in favor of doing something
Speaker 1: a little more bold than signing Stephen pie Nolan Carroll
Speaker 1: all right, all right, the elephant in the room. Would
Speaker 1: you rather just keep Dez Bryant or would you rather
Speaker 1: let him go and get the safety? Get the guy
Speaker 1: if the safety became available and Cowboys had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go get him. Frederick Zach Martin, all this stuff,
Speaker 1: at the end of it, if you got to make
Speaker 1: a choice between the two, I'd rather go get a safety,
Speaker 1: a really great free agency, I'm sorry, a really great
Speaker 1: veteran safety, than worrying about what I'm gonna do with this.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that you have to choose between the
Speaker 1: two based on everything we just sat to. Maybe in
Speaker 1: a rare circumstance, and for anybody that's not picking up
Speaker 1: what we're putting down, they're talking about going after Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas in a if, which is not tampering, because he
Speaker 1: went after Jason Garrett. He went up to the whole team,
Speaker 1: physically went after him and said, come get me if
Speaker 1: if they kick me to the curb in a rare So,
Speaker 1: if they kick him to the curb in a rare
Speaker 1: circumstance where he is available and he wants to be
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, probably get him for a good deal.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know that I buy that. But if
Speaker 1: not a great deal, I mean, is he still want
Speaker 1: to get paid, but you can get him for a
Speaker 1: good deal. Played Sunday in this far and that's it.
Speaker 1: Don't forget that. And he'll bring that up in the negotiate.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is from Texas and wants to be a
Speaker 1: Cowboys until the forty nine ers offer him double. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys like, that's nobody's gonna They're not gonna offer him.
Speaker 1: Why not? Remember he played Sunday. There are some roll
Speaker 1: bowls were a We're talking about how well the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are in good shape because they have fifteen million dollars
Speaker 1: in cap sways, forty nine ers have one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: They can throw whatever the hell they want around. So
Speaker 1: don't tell me it's a lot impossible. Yeah no, But
Speaker 1: but I'm still saying, though, I think there is something
Speaker 1: to a veteran player that already has a ring and
Speaker 1: him wanting to go and play for a specific team.
Speaker 1: I think that happens a lot in the end, in
Speaker 1: a rare in a rare circumstance, And honestly, I think
Speaker 1: I think that's a better scenario because didn't see it
Speaker 1: would get something, it would have. It would have to
Speaker 1: be something like this Alex Smith thing where he agrees
Speaker 1: to a new deal immediately, not absolutely one year. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's part of the deal. Um in a rare sur
Speaker 1: round pick, fourth round pick. They're gonna lose them anyways, No,
Speaker 1: they're not. He's under contract for a year. I mean this, Okay,
Speaker 1: I would I would give a third. I'm just laying
Speaker 1: out and maybe I'm a homer when it comes to
Speaker 1: but I would give a third. No good text for
Speaker 1: every person that says, God, you can get Jason Witten
Speaker 1: in the third. You can also you can get j. J.
Speaker 1: Wilcox in the third. You can get Terence We're going
Speaker 1: to play that game. Yeah, I mean third and fourth.
Speaker 1: I would give a third for Earl Thomas. I would too.
Speaker 1: Absolute in again, if if it was between Deaz or
Speaker 1: you can have Earl, I'd probably roll the dice and
Speaker 1: go after Earl Thomas. But that doesn't change my opinion.
Speaker 1: Then I think it's it's knee jerk and shortsighted to
Speaker 1: just think you gotta dumped as sometime in the next
Speaker 1: three months. That's true, That's okay. We all have our
Speaker 1: own opinions of what we think should happen. Well, we
Speaker 1: want it to happen, But you guys all know how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys work realistically speaking, do you really expect the
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Speaker 1: answer that question. What do you think the Cowboys will
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Speaker 1: real real quick. I looked this up during the breaks, Joe,
Speaker 1: I would thank you. Since twenty twenty nine, teams have
Speaker 1: spent a first round pick on a wide receiver twenty
Speaker 1: nine total, twelve of them, like I said, hit that
Speaker 1: six hundred yard in the first year. In the first year,
Speaker 1: and of those twelve, about a little over half, I
Speaker 1: mean little under half. Of the twelve that did it,
Speaker 1: seven of them were top ten, top fifteen types picks.
Speaker 1: So if you take the Cowboys pick this year, five
Speaker 1: guys drafted in that range have done that. So you're
Speaker 1: looking at a seventeen percent chance that your pick at
Speaker 1: nineteen this year and one of them is ready to
Speaker 1: go immediately. One of those guys is Dez Bryant, Yes,
Speaker 1: one of one of the five is death, which Damarius
Speaker 1: Thomas says to be another one. He had three hundred
Speaker 1: yards as a rookie. Oh are you talking about guys
Speaker 1: who hit forty forty catches, six hundred yards five six touchdowns.
Speaker 1: That's why I guess my argument, like if I'm wrapping
Speaker 1: the whole thing up, my argument is, your decision is
Speaker 1: either you keep Dez Bryant, or if you're gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of Dez Bryant, you go get yourself the best
Speaker 1: free agent wide receiver that's out there in Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: and and if you're not to me, those are really
Speaker 1: the only two options. I don't think that you can
Speaker 1: count on a on a rookie wide receiver necessary to
Speaker 1: come in here and be what you wanted to be
Speaker 1: for first. He might be better in future years, so
Speaker 1: I still think you draft him. You just can't count
Speaker 1: on him for this year. And if you get one
Speaker 1: that that shows up this year, great, but you can't
Speaker 1: count on the fact that this year he's gonna be
Speaker 1: He's gonna replace the production that Dez with this Sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I would do something though, in free agency,
Speaker 1: I would do that type of I'm not saying get
Speaker 1: the eagle receiver Alshan Jeffrey, but that type of player.
Speaker 1: Can you do that with Alan Robinson? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because of his injury last year. I just I'm paying
Speaker 1: my starting quarterback a million dollars. I'm gonna take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I'll take advantage of it. Now. It's
Speaker 1: gonna come back victually of that fact right now. Well,
Speaker 1: depends depends of what he does and he balls out
Speaker 1: next year, maybe you try to get a deal early.
Speaker 1: If I'm saying, wines deal up two more years. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't, can't. We can't have a good year.
Speaker 1: He had a pretty good year. But if he has
Speaker 1: a better year and they was zeke back and they
Speaker 1: do better, who is there's no way you can just
Speaker 1: go in with fourth fourth round pick who franchise wasn't
Speaker 1: convinced about his deal. I'm trying to make a Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins comparison here. Is that a dumb deal to you guys?
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it seem it doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: to me. It just says the Redskins knew behind closed
Speaker 1: doors that just Kirk Cousins absolutely did not want to
Speaker 1: play there, and so they were like this, this isn't great,
Speaker 1: but we gotta do what we gotta, dude, to protect ourselves.
Speaker 1: Aren't there aren't there other options out there as far
Speaker 1: as veteran quarterbacks that will be available this year that
Speaker 1: you could maybe if you want to spend money on,
Speaker 1: you could spend money on. I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: thirty four year old quarterback in Alex Smith, and you
Speaker 1: gave up, in my opinion, one of their best cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: If I was them and a third round pick, it
Speaker 1: makes sense to me if you're gonna have Alex Smith
Speaker 1: for a year or two and draft a guy. But
Speaker 1: I mean, they signed him to a four year deal
Speaker 1: extension today, so they got him five Smith like thirteen.
Speaker 1: I feel like you could maybe get Baker Mayfield. They
Speaker 1: need to get a running back. To me, Alex Smith
Speaker 1: is better in a balanced offense. You don't like some
Speaker 1: no do you like big Rob, No, bat Rob Rob whatever,
Speaker 1: same thing. Thompson's good, But I'm just saying they need
Speaker 1: a balanced offense that will help Alex Smith. Thompson is good,
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, he's good. He's a receiver. He's a
Speaker 1: little receiver back. But I mean the way they run
Speaker 1: their offense, I wouldn't be surprising a couple of years
Speaker 1: if he's their primary guy, because they did that is
Speaker 1: a pass heavy offense. They could like, why the offense
Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins. Is it going to be a pass
Speaker 1: heavy offense with Alex Smith? I'll tell you this right now.
Speaker 1: I don't think their positioned to be a run heavy offense.
Speaker 1: So if they're not gonna be passive, what are I
Speaker 1: going to do? Well? Yesterday I thought the Redskins are
Speaker 1: the worst team in the NFC from the Cowboys perspective.
Speaker 1: You know, teams that you have to worry about, and
Speaker 1: today I think they're the worst team. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's the same either way. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: a big Kirk Cousins guy because he hasn't ever beaten
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He's bet he's always been in a one
Speaker 1: dimensional offense. I think if he finds a more balanced offense, yeah,
Speaker 1: all things being equal, Like, you know, if you're just
Speaker 1: assuming Cousins will play where you want them to and
Speaker 1: like you're just taking all that out of the equation,
Speaker 1: I'd way rather have Kirk Cousins at twenty seven million
Speaker 1: than Alex Smith at twenty three. I agree with this.
Speaker 1: It's just me. I agree with you. Okay, let's get
Speaker 1: back to the question that Amber posed before the break
Speaker 1: has with regards to Des Brown. We've talked a lot
Speaker 1: about what our thoughts are and what we would like
Speaker 1: to see happen. But let's talk about the Cowboys. You
Speaker 1: guys know this team, well, you know the front office. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you expect that they're going to do with
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant? And Saul said done. I think when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done, I don't think Dez is on
Speaker 1: the team next year. Wow, I don't. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I had to just guess, I don't. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sit here and say that that's a better move.
Speaker 1: I'm really on the fence with it because I see
Speaker 1: all the points. But I think if you're asking what
Speaker 1: I think they will do, I think they will try
Speaker 1: to give a pay cut. I think Des has got
Speaker 1: too much pride for it. I don't think he said,
Speaker 1: you know what, cut me and see what happens. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to an NFC team and to face
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and I think I think that would happen.
Speaker 1: But if I had to just guess, I think I
Speaker 1: don't think he's on the team, all right, Dave the
Speaker 1: Jones's comments at the Senior Bowl don't give me a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence that I'm right. And I mean I've
Speaker 1: talked to plenty of other people who agree with Nick too,
Speaker 1: So I don't know when where there's smoke, there's fire,
Speaker 1: But I just I gotta see it to believe it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should, maybe I should be more cynical. I mean,
Speaker 1: this team cut to Marcus Ware and Tony Romo, so
Speaker 1: anything's possible. But these types of things, it just seems
Speaker 1: like there's always a lot of sound and fury signifying
Speaker 1: nothing Like I just I think he's gonna be here.
Speaker 1: Maybe they can, you know, if they draft a guy,
Speaker 1: maybe they can badger Room into taking a pay cut
Speaker 1: or something. Maybe, but maybe that's the badgering has already
Speaker 1: started in Senior Bowl. Yeah, maybe that's what those comments were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think he'll be here one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Amber Well comments on the Senior Bowl, Yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: me kind of doubt. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think he'll just stay here. I mean, I find
Speaker 1: it hard to believe. With the Cowboys, Yeah, they've made
Speaker 1: crazy moves, like you just said, Dave, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like how they feeling they make a
Speaker 1: bold move in the coaching staff. I doubt they're gonna
Speaker 1: make a bold move with Des. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just he'll be a good headline. It'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of news to talk about that, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. I waffle every time I talk about this. Today.
Speaker 1: My feeling is, I think I agree with Day that
Speaker 1: he's going to be here, but I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of a combination of what Nick saying. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna ask him for Pacup, but I think the way
Speaker 1: that they're going to structure the new deal gives him
Speaker 1: a clear path to be able to make the money
Speaker 1: if he can get those numbers back up, And I
Speaker 1: think that will allow Dez to say face on this okay,
Speaker 1: because I think Des will look at it as okay,
Speaker 1: I'll show you that I could hit those numbers, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna talk some more after this seasons done,
Speaker 1: and I think that's how he ends up staying here.
Speaker 1: We talked about this the other day. So Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: obviously wants the football a lot. Yeah, you give him
Speaker 1: a incentive base. I'm not saying it's a good idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what happens when the Cowboys defeat the Bears twenty eight
Speaker 1: to seven? Zeke has one hundred and eighty all purpose
Speaker 1: yards and Dak I mean, and Dez has four catches
Speaker 1: twenty nine yards, two catches for fifty five yard pass
Speaker 1: interference penalty down to the one that helped but doesn't
Speaker 1: really show up on the stats. He's not hitting in
Speaker 1: center base. But Dez was a big part of that.
Speaker 1: Are you angry Daz at this point? What kind of
Speaker 1: des are you getting that? Now his money is tied
Speaker 1: to his numbers. Yeah, did they win? They won the game.
Speaker 1: They won't worry about it later. No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: don't yeh. But But the question is the question is
Speaker 1: for there are there are some players, there's some players.
Speaker 1: There's some players that you don't worry so much about
Speaker 1: whether they're happy or upset about whatever. Dad is one
Speaker 1: of those players. As as as Stephen talked about Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: he can be volatile at times, and so do you
Speaker 1: get do you start to worry worry that now you're
Speaker 1: gonna have angry days, even in a locker room where
Speaker 1: maybe you're winning. If you go, if you read between
Speaker 1: the lines on things that he said in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: I would suggest to you that he wasn't completely happy
Speaker 1: then he I mean, he finished with fifty catches and
Speaker 1: less than a thousand yards. He ain't cool with that,
Speaker 1: But I think he had just gotten paid. Now you're
Speaker 1: talking about his money, and now his money's tied to it.
Speaker 1: I think if if the team is winning, I think
Speaker 1: and he'll be all right. I think he's such a
Speaker 1: competitor and it's wired to his personality. He might not
Speaker 1: be happy. But if the team is winning, I don't
Speaker 1: buy that. He was not going to call it like
Speaker 1: a bunch of noise. And I don't want to be
Speaker 1: crazy here, But what if the Cowboys were like a
Speaker 1: eight and eight, nine and seven type of team. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that really around here, but let's say
Speaker 1: they're kind of back and forth. Yeah, I'm getting crazy.
Speaker 1: Now we're getting crazy with the Yeah. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they're gonna fish eight and eight or anything like that,
Speaker 1: I hear you. I'm just saying I think that's it
Speaker 1: sounds good to make it incentive base, But well, this
Speaker 1: is not a friendly offense for Decked. I mean, does
Speaker 1: the throw poll. What if they're gonna get him to
Speaker 1: cut his salary, They're gonna have to make it incentive base.
Speaker 1: That's a part of it. Like they're not gonna just
Speaker 1: say we're just cutting your salary out right, They're gonna
Speaker 1: give him a way to be able to earn it back.
Speaker 1: That's that just seems like what you do in these
Speaker 1: kind of situations where you have a veteran player, right,
Speaker 1: and that money goes on the cap too. Yep, However,
Speaker 1: however happy or unhappy he is. When DJ Moore's done
Speaker 1: having his thousand yard rookie breakout season, you can move
Speaker 1: on from Dez next year. But it's nice to have
Speaker 1: that security blanket. All right, real quick, we got about
Speaker 1: a minute. I need you guys to give me some
Speaker 1: Super Bowl predictions. New England Patriots face to Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Amber. Who wins the game? Patriots?
Speaker 1: They better? I hope. So wow? All right, Nick, I
Speaker 1: think the street continues, um. I think the Patriots win.
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles stay at zero. I think Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans will be more excited about that. Uh. And also,
Speaker 1: I just think that the Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: I think if they're playing, they win good year for
Speaker 1: the Eagles. That's David, That's not true, though. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've lost two. They've lost two of them, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I feel dumb. I feel dumb going
Speaker 1: against the I think Tom Brady's the best quarterback ever.
Speaker 1: And I mean Bill Belichick's awesome. Everybody knows that. But
Speaker 1: you better not say no, don't even how do how
Speaker 1: don't even say it? How the Giants? How the Giants
Speaker 1: win those two? What they have defensive had a pretty
Speaker 1: nasty pass rush, didn't they Just saying, Man, these Eagles,
Speaker 1: these Eagles front sevens gross in a good way. And
Speaker 1: I don't trust Nick Foles, but if they can run
Speaker 1: the ball with a giant and blown and you get
Speaker 1: a few sacks and maybe get a sack fumblers, I
Speaker 1: just kind of feel like the Eagles might win this game.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy, but it's just kind
Speaker 1: of You're not the only person that's saying that. I
Speaker 1: heard other people say it, and you're absolutely right, Like
Speaker 1: it's not and it's not. It's not just like they
Speaker 1: have like this one badass in They've got like eight
Speaker 1: guys who get after the passer. And when the Patriots
Speaker 1: have lost in the Super Bowl, it's been because the
Speaker 1: defensive front for the other team, the Giants, was appreciably
Speaker 1: better and they beat Brady up. As long as the
Speaker 1: Boys has that. You think the Cowboys have ever been
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl winning team's last loss? Like, like, it's
Speaker 1: a good question. I lost to the Cowboys then they
Speaker 1: won Super Bowl. Definitely wasn't a shutout. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that game doesn't matter six nothing, baby, But it's like,
Speaker 1: after that game, you can still not looking them like
Speaker 1: they're gonna go win. So you're going for the Eagles too. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not going for the Eagle, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1: I have never ever in my life rooted for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I will be rooting for the Patriot. Who do you
Speaker 1: think is gonna win? Yeah? I think the Patriots ultimately win,
Speaker 1: just because I say, do you think it's gonna be?
Speaker 1: I still believe Belichick is just so good. I just
Speaker 1: don't think the Eagles have enough to beat him. Yep.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of how I look at it,
Speaker 1: and that's that's probably the safe pick because you look
Speaker 1: at history and history says that that's usually what happened.
Speaker 1: So says the Eagles don't wines are full. That's a
Speaker 1: good point. That's a great point. All Right. We appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys. You want us to be back next Wednesday.
Speaker 1: These guys will be back next Wednesday. Talk more Cowboys
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