WEBVTT - Tying it All Together 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:02.960 A group of high school students. 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.600 High school students Elizabethan High School students started a project 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:07.760 to research. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.960 A string of unsolved murders. Their research led to the 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.800 identification of the killer. Investigators now have an answer to 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:16.640 a thirty four year old question. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:18.840 Once you start getting. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.560 A few tips, or a few leads, or few. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.360 Identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:27.240 There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.040 Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:32.720 to be accurate. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:38.839 Redhead Killer profile male Caucasian, five nine, six hundred and 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.120 seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother, 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.920 right handed, IQ above one hundred, most likely heterosexual. 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.000 There is no profile of this killer except for the 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:51.280 ones the students created. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.800 Just because some of these women no longer have people 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.240 to speak for them does not mean that they desire to. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:56.800 Not be so anymore. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:58.120 What if this guy's still alive? 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.200 Like what becomes after us? 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.800 This is Murder one oh one, Season one, episode six, 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:17.200 Tying it all together. I'm Jeff Shane, a television and 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.280 podcast producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.039 and Andrew Arnold. Mister Campbell and his students were confident 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.400 that Jerry John's surviving victim held the clues to the mystery. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.920 Mister Campbell called me with an exciting update. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.119 You're not gonna believe what I just found. It almost 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:39.240 sounds like a country song. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.760 The woman I've been looking for for five years and 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:43.679 I just found her. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.520 Who So the hero of our story is Linda. 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.920 She was the lady who Jerry Johns attempted to kill. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.560 I mean, as far as I understand it, she stopped breathing, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.240 she was dead, and then she spontaneously revived on the 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.480 side of the road. And because she was immediately able 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.680 to go and get help and tell the police where 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.560 he was and the car was driving and all that, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.720 he was arrested and put in prison for forty years, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.040 and of course that's where he died. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:12.840 And so without. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.600 Her and her will to live, none of this would 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.720 have been possible. So, for example, the only way they've 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.760 been able to relay him back to these other cases 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.720 is because his DNA was found on Tina Farmer. The 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.480 only reason they had his DNA in the system is 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.520 because he went to prison on a felony charge for 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:29.359 trying to kill her. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.880 And she fits very much into the victim profile. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:36.120 Correct, Oh yeah, she's she's red headed, she's twite, she's 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.480 she's small, she's she's the right age. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.280 She was like early mid mid twenties. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.520 Her will to live, you know, and her tenacity is 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.680 the reason why he's been able to be tied to 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.600 all these murders. And I have looked for her for 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.760 a long time, different ways, you know, social media and 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.880 in different type of research places. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.480 But finally I was. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.520 Able to get on one of the research sites online, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.320 kind of ancestry research side, and combine that with some 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.600 information I found in the case file that is public 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.000 knowledge because you know, they took that case to trial. 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.680 We were able to piece it together and I found her. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.040 Wow, And have you made contact yet? 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:14.720 No? 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.560 It's kind of like the dog who chased the car 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.679 and you know, caught it. Like, wow, now that you 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.520 know how to contact this person, Like, what do you say? 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.760 You know, obviously she was you know, working at a 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.400 gentleman's club, and she was in a tough situation, recently divorced, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.800 had a small child, and you know she's trying to 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.320 make ends meet. Of course, worst night of her life, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.920 I'm sure almost dies, you know, meets meets a serial 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.160 killer and survives. So, you know, on one hand, you 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.120 probably think she's she's worked really hard to not run 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:48.400 that and move on from it. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.000 But on the other hand, I think. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.200 Does she even know like what she means to this case, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.040 to all these women, to their families? 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:55.760 Uh? 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.560 She She probably doesn't, you know, because the point is 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.040 nobody's paying attention to this case, nobody's putting all these 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.400 these things together. And I don't even know if she 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.440 realizes that the guy who almost killed her has been 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.240 linked to this other murder and you know, we feel 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:11.800 there's plenty of evidence that links him. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.720 To several more. So I don't even know if she 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:14.240 knows that. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.320 And you know, but I think she deserves to know 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.480 that without her, you know, none of this work would 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.320 have been possible. And then I pulled some pictures off 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:22.960 her Facebook and it's her. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.760 I mean, it's just her, just just it's her. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.080 So what do you think what should we do about this? 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.120 I mean, you don't want to bring up the worst 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.440 part of somebody's life and make them relive it. But 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.400 on the other hand, I've done a lot of work 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.400 with people who have lost you know, children and stuff. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.320 And I've talked to people who've been through some terrible 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.359 things like that, and what they say is like, you 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:44.479 not bring it up. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:45.560 Isn't like I forgot it. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:47.720 You know, just because you didn't bring up my son 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.919 didn't mean I forgot that one of my sons has passed. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.600 So I mean by not bringing it up, I. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.440 Don't know if you know, like I said, Oh, she had. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.120 Forgotten it until I brought it up. I don't think 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.400 that's the case. Does she want to read it? Maybe not, 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.800 But does she know like what her strength has been 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.039 able to do for this case? You know, does she 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.360 even know that she was like she was his last 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.200 victim and because she was able to survive it, you know, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.360 her bravery and her courage and her strength like allowed 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.839 you know, other families to know what happened to their 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.640 loved one. And I think everybody deserves to know that, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:24.039 don't you. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.360 Yeah, And even if she doesn't, you know, agree to appear, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.200 we can still tell that story and about her bravery, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.120 and you know, we'll figure out how to be respectful. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.279 But I agree, I mean, I think it's definitely worth 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.479 a phone call to give her the option and just 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.680 to introduce you know yourself. And like you said, she 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.919 might not know any of this, which is you know, 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.719 wild to think about, but certainly something she should be 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:44.200 aware of. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.560 Yes, I agree with that. Give her the information and 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.320 let her decide. And but her story is it's an 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.120 amazing story. Like I have the picture that they took 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.599 of her at the hospital and what she looked like. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.400 And I'm going through the hospital report, and she was 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.280 blind for three days because he had choked her so badly. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.360 You know, she was put on a liquid dit for weeks. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.520 She couldn't even chew or swallow solid food, and like 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.680 what she went through to, you know, to survive that 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.839 and then have the bravery, of course to carry on 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.280 with the police and help make that case against him 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.360 and all that. And I can even see it, like 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.360 when I read the report, she talks about how scared 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.839 she is of him and others, and but you know 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.920 the fact that she did that and she was part 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.480 of putting him away, and then that led to you know, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.000 the students work and new breaks in the case and 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.200 if it wasn't mempth with the DNA and that previous 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.760 case and another thing I didn't even mention this, but 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.560 in that case file, of course, Jerry Leon Johns uses 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.640 her own T shirt, cuts it into strips and binds 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.000 her with it, and eventually that's how he chokes her, 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.240 a ligature made from her own T shirt. And then 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.239 you know, you start looking at the Tina Farmer case, 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.520 she was choked with ligature made from her T shirt. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.920 And you look at the Tracy su Walker case, they 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.680 find cloth ligature with a similar nod in it beside 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.760 her body, even though she'd probably been dead for maybe 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.000 as long as four or five years. And then now 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.720 there's other chain dos like the DeSoto County chain doe, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.760 which also was found with a ligature, and you know, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.800 if we couldn't have had that evidence, and like we have, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.080 we still have those same ligatures down here in the 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.600 national archive, excuse me, in the state archives, and we've 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.240 got pictures of those, and because of that we can 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.880 compare those of the others used in different crimes and 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.440 link him back to those, even if we don't have DNA. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.240 So like she's the lynch pin in the case. I mean, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.160 I don't know if she realizes, you know, she's the 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.040 hero of this story and her bravery, like is what 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.200 set all this stuff in motion? And even though that 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.160 was like thirty five years ago. And I'll see if 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.320 I can get up the nerve to call into and 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.320 see how she feels about that. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.880 Up here for a break. We'll be back in a moment. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:18.000 Murder one O one later, mister Campbell dialed Linda's number. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.480 Hello, is this Linda? Yeah? 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.240 Yeah, my name is Alex Campbell, and I'm a school 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.920 teacher from down in East Tennessee. And actually one of 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.480 the things I do is I let my students work 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:36.480 on cold cases. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.000 And uh, okay you what. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.079 Yeah, I'm a school teacher in East Tennessee high school 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.959 teacher and one of the things I do is I 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.680 let my students work on cold cases as part of 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.480 our studies. And I think your name might have come 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.640 up in connection with a case in Knoxville in nineteen 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:54.200 eighty five. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:55.040 Is that you? 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.920 Yeah, we're in Where do you teach? 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:01.200 So? 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:02.960 I teach you Elizabeth in high school? 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.880 After switching her call to a landline for better service, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.640 mister Campbell conveyed just how important she was to the 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:09.600 club's investigation. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.480 Yeah, I promise that I will keep this however you 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.360 want it to be kept. If you want me to 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.560 just keep it between me and you, that that'll be 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:18.240 how we'll do it. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.200 And really it's just you know, I just went through. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:23.960 They put me through so much. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.440 I want to be honest with you. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.040 We have really been looking for a long time to 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.679 find you, my students and I because I don't know 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.760 if you realize it, but like you and I'm really 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.920 emotional about it. It seems kind of funny, but like I 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.200 think you've really helped save and help a lot of 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.920 people through what you were able to do. 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.000 Well, that's the only reason I was able to do 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.840 it with know one that and I'm sure I saved 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.280 when's lives. I mean, there's no reason for me to 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.400 be alive. Have a good Lord, let me live. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.200 Mister Campbell filled Linda and on the work of the 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.280 twenty eighteen class and the work that right Lad and 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.000 Marley were currently doing. She was able to provide some 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:04.480 interesting information. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.199 What I wanted to tell you. I didn't know if 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.400 you kept up with with what had happened recently, but 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.960 did you know that they had tied Jerry Johns to 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.760 a murder of another lady? 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.760 Yeah, And she looked very similar to me that they 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.480 somebody called me. A FBI agent called me a couple 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.160 of years ago and told me. I didn't even know 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.840 Jerry Johnson died, but he called me and told me 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.520 that they used DNA and proved that he killed this 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:37.240 other girl. They questioned me when it happened, right, you know, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.240 that hadn't There were dozens of girls that looked a 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.360 lot like me, you know, and they called them the 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.320 red head murders. And then the judge told them they 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.480 weren't allowed to mention the red headed murderers anymore because 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.280 it would mess up the case. The only case could 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.199 be mine, you know, as long as they could try 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.800 him on. So so anyway, I knew that there were 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.280 a lot of other women that had died and none 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.400 and he said there was a lady that they found 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.920 their body after it happened. Now they there were I 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.080 get FBI or TV whoever. These people are from all over, 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.679 you know, all over the country, came together and met 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.360 with me about and they had the women that there 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.760 cases that were similar. In fact, the knot that he 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.240 tied is evidently was a some sort of you have 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.400 to be a space, I mean, it's a special knot 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.720 like you learned to tie. And evidently each one that 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:44.840 had that same tie. Har he's hot, just hard and 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:51.120 and that's and oh god. Anyway, but he had his 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.320 love book, they said, made it look like he was 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.840 different places and he couldn't have killed those other women. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.240 See he had a brother too, Yeah, Wayne, Wayne, he 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:02.640 went by the name Wayne, that was. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:03.200 His middle name. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:08.720 Well, he was with you. But now this FBI TBI 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.200 whoever was talked to me last said they're pretty sure 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.480 he knew nothing about it, even though they were together 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.719 at you know, traveling together. So I don't know if 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:23.040 they I mean, I don't know if they've done DNA 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.560 testing on these other women or not. But there were 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.720 a whole bunch of them that they questioned me about, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.120 and we said at this big, huge, long table, and 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.280 there were photographs of all these women and some of 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:36.960 them looked like photographs. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:37.800 Of the Wow. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.760 Well, the reason, one of the reasons I was kind 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.160 of find you is that it seems like now there's 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.520 a chance where he can be tied to maybe several 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.080 of these murders, and these families can figure out, you know, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.760 who's responsible, and they can get some closure and the 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:02.240 truth is it. It's decades if it doesn't happen. Now, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.520 a lot of the agents and everything I have already 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.600 retired or passed on. The evidence has been lost. 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.880 Yeah, I think the one that took care of me 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:15.720 that he died Johnson, Larry Johnson, the name from there 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.319 or is that the policeman. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.079 He was a TBI agent and he did a lot 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.440 of work on the case. But maybe that was after, 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.080 you know, maybe the fact, So I'm not really sure. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.360 But anyway, I've spoken with him. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.640 But what I wanted to say was, and it's so funny, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.800 this might seem weird to you, but like I've poured 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.440 my life into this for five years, trying to prove 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:42.720 that he is responsible for many other people suffering in 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.480 their families and just trying to get them some closure, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.560 and it seems like a really close Like I could 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.120 tell you a lot of things, but what I really 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.880 wanted to tell you was that this is a terrible 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.080 it's a terrible, tragic story for a lot of people 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.360 and a lot of families. But if there's a hero, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.800 it's you, and like your will to live, you know, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.600 is what got him arrested and kept him off the streets. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.000 And the DNA you know, that they took from him 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.720 once he was put in prison, is what can help 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.320 maybe some of these families. It's already helped some, but 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.160 it can help the rest of these families figure out 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:18.400 what happened. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:19.760 Who was responsible, and let them move on. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.320 And so anyway, it's just it's a real pleasure to 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.840 talk to you. And you're such a strong lady, you know. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.520 And this might seem weird too, but for five years 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:35.480 I've had your picture from your hospital report on my 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.280 computer and every morning I see it and it reminds 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.280 me I've got to keep working to try to help 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:45.720 these other families kiss some justice. And your story is amazing, 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.040 and you're the strongest woman I believe I've ever known. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.080 Oh my gosh, no, not true. But well, at the time, 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.880 my husband's alive and I never told him what happened, 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:04.800 and he's gone. Now I'm sorry. Is here for me 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:05.760 to talk about it. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.440 My students and I are getting ready to present a 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.560 case about the girl who was just identified. She was 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.800 found very near Tina Farmer in Campbell County. And this 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.040 girl disappeared from a town just right over from her, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.920 and yet they were found here eight hours drive away, 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.760 right beside of each other. So we feel that he's 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.920 probably connected to that one. Tina Farmer was pregnant and 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.360 her baby died with her, and we think there was 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.400 another murder. I don't know if you remember that one. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.040 It was in Green County in nineteen eighty five, right, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.600 They found her body right after your case. And so 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.520 we think there's another victim in Green County and probably 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.440 others in Mississippi. And so my students are going to 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.400 be presenting to the police in Mississippi and to the 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.120 police in Indiana, and they're trying to help them put 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.360 it together because the TBI works cases in Tennessee, but 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.600 they don't really share, you know, it's not really there 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.840 is jurisdiction to think about people in Mississippi, so there's 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.400 nobody helping these police agencies kind of connect it. So 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.440 when I call Mississippi, they didn't even know that there 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:15.640 was somebody who was, you know, harming women that everything matched, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.520 but it was just thirty minutes north in Tennessee and 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.200 they hadn't even heard of it, and they didn't know 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:21.040 there was a suspect. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:27.600 And I did talk to people in Mississippi and Alabama 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:33.040 and numerous states, and like I said, Udip gets there everybody. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.720 I mean, it was in every paper in the country. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.320 My daddy heard about it, and he lived in Chicago, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.960 and he heard about it while I was in the hospital, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.880 so I mean from the he heard it on the 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.520 newsh What. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.840 Has happened is all those detectives have retired or died 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.120 and so and so they don't know anymore. When I 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.480 talked to Mississippi, he said, I inherited this case. Somebody 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.960 else had it, they retired. I've got it and I 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.040 don't know anything about it. I wasn't even a police 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:05.360 officer then. So, like we're trying to keep the attention 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.720 on these cases because we are so close. With just 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.400 a few DNA tests, I think a lot of these 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.280 cases could be kind of finalized. And I've talked to 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.440 family members. I talked to Tina Farmer's sister, I communicated 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.719 with her niece yesterday and some different ones. And you know, 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.960 it's hard knowing that your loved one is gone. I mean, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.000 that doesn't change that. But for example, I talked to 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.120 a lady who was only like a year old when 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.480 her mom went missing, and she said, you know, it's 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.600 bad to know that your mom, you know, was murdered. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.159 But she said, I always thought my mom didn't come 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.159 home because she didn't want me, And she said it 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.240 was better to hear that she couldn't come home. Then 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.719 she didn't want to come home. And I know, like 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.320 it doesn't change the fact that the person's gone, but 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.320 they still do want to know, like why didn't their 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:56.200 loved one come home? 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:57.920 And so we're working really hard. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.600 I know, we had a wife, he. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.120 Did, He had a wife and I and we've conversed 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.280 with her and uh, same thing. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:06.480 She was just so shocked. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.040 But have you you've talked to her. 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.840 Well, Uh, one of the guys who did the research 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.760 for the podcast went down and spoke with her. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:13.520 Well, she. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.119 Got divorced after but when she went during the trial, 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.080 she thought he was innocent. I guess, I mean, I 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:21.560 don't know. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.560 Yeah, she she had no idea. She the whole family. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.920 He put on a show, and the whole family thought 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.479 he was the nicest guy. But that's the way it 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.800 is with people like this. They they they're very good 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.280 at hiding themselves. But when that and from what I 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.679 understand of the case, I've read your case file. I mean, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.720 at first he seems like a really nice guy, but 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.040 whenever he lets his true self out, it's just it's, 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:45.480 you know, it's monstrous. 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.760 Well, one day I'll tell you, I'll tell you those 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.120 you know, I'm in trouble to think, and I don't. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.679 It's time to think. I got to get it together. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.880 When Riley heard about the call, she was unsurprisingly very 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.000 happy with the development. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.760 I am just driving home from practice. Had a very 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.600 long day. It's Friday, Thank goodness. I'm so excited for 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.040 the weekend. Words can't even describe how excited I am. 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.440 But this week was a really good week. He's very hectic, 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.080 but we had a very good day, or a very 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.480 good week. Rather working with our case study, our victim profiles, 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.760 also our teacher, mister Campbell, he was able to talk 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:31.440 with Window School and get her perspective, which was I mean, wow, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.679 that was just honestly amazing. It's a once in a 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.680 lifetime experience. I mean, she is really the only person 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.800 that we know of that saw Jerry Leon Joon in 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.680 that moment and survived to tell the tale. Glad to 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:50.359 see him at his evil if showing his true colors. 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.080 I guess is what I'm trying to say. She's the 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.080 only person who saw who he truly was and lived 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.040 to tell the tale. He thought he killed her. She 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:03.840 saw firsthand how rude and savage and truly evil he was, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.960 and she can tell us about that. I think that 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:11.040