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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: superproducer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. If you are joining us the

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Speaker 3: evening this comes out, let us welcome you to Thursday,

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Speaker 3: January thirtieth, twenty twenty five. It's one of the most

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Speaker 3: exciting times of the week for US folks. In these

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Speaker 3: chaotic days and evenings, we get to hear from the

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Speaker 3: most important part of the show, which is you. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna learn about bunkers. We're gonna talk about chimera and ethics.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna do some Bible studies. We're also

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Speaker 3: going to talk about search engines and airplane doors, plastic.

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Speaker 3: We're We're going to it is probably one of my

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Speaker 3: We have an amazing joke for you, and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: hype it up the entire time. We're gonna hype it

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Speaker 3: so hard that no matter how excited you are about

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Speaker 3: hearing a joke from one of your fellow listeners, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna be even more excited by the time we get

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Speaker 2: And if we peek out the windows right now, there

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 3: Weird, it's a snowy night in Georgia. Uh yeah, we

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be for the joke. By the way, Sorry, yeah, we.

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Speaker 3: Can't hype this joke enough, but in tonight's listener mail program,

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Speaker 3: we will attempt to you so quick check in, just

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Speaker 3: for just for everybody who hasn't had the privilege of

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Speaker 3: watching our fair Metropolis battle strange weather. Guys. I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about this. I don't think we should say climate

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Speaker 3: change anymore. Why I think we should say climate chaos?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, certainly was climate chaos on the roads

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Speaker 4: the other week, and I think people took it very seriously.

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Speaker 4: But Ben, you and I were even out in the

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Speaker 4: world midday on some adventures for Ridiculous History at the

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Speaker 4: waffle House Museum, which is a thing here in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't showing precipitation at that point midday. And

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Speaker 4: even the folks that were kind of enough to give

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Speaker 4: us the tour from waffle House pr waffle House Corporate,

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Speaker 4: they were not taking this seriously. And it seems like

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Speaker 4: a lot of other people didn't neither, because there were

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Speaker 3: I remember that moment when I was saying, hey, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much much for letting us into this museum.

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Speaker 3: It's not Davos level, but it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just found out one of the

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Speaker 2: dads at the karate dojo where my son trains, is

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Speaker 3: being here in Atlanta, we are huge fans of waffle House.

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Speaker 3: Check out our upcoming episode on Ridiculous History or upcoming series.

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Speaker 3: I believe one of the things we will dive into

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Speaker 3: waffle house index. This has nothing to do with what

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Speaker 3: we're talking about this evening, but oh gosh, what a time.

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Speaker 3: Trains, a known associate of waffles. So yeah, that sounds

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Speaker 3: a little red scare on my ends, and that's my bad.

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Speaker 3: But let's guys, let's get to it. Let's learn more

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Speaker 3: Where do we begin, Maybe I don't know, we're talking

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Speaker 4: What do you say now, Yes, indeed, And we're going

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Speaker 4: very conversation. And we have returned with a message from

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Speaker 4: Marvelous Marvin Medley's it's a mouthful with an extra M

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Speaker 4: Major media doesn't seem to be giving it much attention,

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Speaker 4: and for me, that's terrifying. I assume y'all know exactly

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Speaker 4: marvelous Marvin Medley. As always, the void abides. You know, guys,

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Speaker 4: this image video and stills of mister Elon Musk, the

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Speaker 4: of incoming or newly elected President Donald Trump making a

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Speaker 4: And a lot of folks are pointing to Elon Musk's

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Speaker 2: I would just say I encountered this via John Stewart

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Speaker 2: because it goes out to you, and he says those words,

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Speaker 4: Then hands even would have done the job, you know, like, haha,

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Speaker 2: and then I don't mean to just recount John Stewart's

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Speaker 3: The the answers and body language are of course super easy.

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Speaker 3: You could do your hand in that similar salute, right,

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Speaker 3: you could do a Roman salute or a Bellamy salute,

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Speaker 3: I mean. Now you're just Now you're just Nixon, which

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Speaker 3: A wild thumbs up, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Well, and here's the thing. The AP has a First

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Speaker 4: A wonderful show today. As always, I wanted to pop

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you millennial Boomer. Yeah, I owe you and emails.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to hear from two people, oz Woman

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Speaker 2: and Sleepy Stella. I think maybe we just play these

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Speaker 2: back to back, uh, and then well we're going to

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Speaker 2: read the Bible a little bit. You guys. Isn't that exciting?

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Speaker 3: Always?

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Speaker 2: All right? Here we go, Here we go. First up

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Speaker 2: is oz Woman.

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Speaker 5: Hey, this is oz Woman, Idaho. I'm listening more and

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Speaker 5: you guys are talking about timeline theology. You guys haven't

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Speaker 5: read all of the book. You haven't read all of Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 5: it says that Gabriel came down to Mary and another

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Speaker 5: angel went down to Joseph. Several days later, Mary came

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Speaker 5: out as pregnant to Joseph. Joseph decided that rather than

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Speaker 5: stone her or kill her, he was going to divorce

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Speaker 5: her quietly, That's what it says in the Bible. And

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Speaker 5: after he decided he was going to divorce her, that night,

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Speaker 5: another angel came and spoke to Joseph. And it was

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Speaker 5: after that speaking, but then they got married. And it

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Speaker 5: shows in the Bible that Joseph did not know Mary

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Speaker 5: as his wife until after.

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Speaker 6: Her birth and her healing.

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Speaker 5: So there you go, and this is oz woman, and

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Speaker 5: yes you can use my name.

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Speaker 4: What was the issue that we talked about in terms

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Speaker 4: of the chronology, There was just there were slight differences

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Speaker 4: between the Gospels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, differences between Luke and Matthew, two books in the Bible,

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Speaker 2: just about those moments when the angels came to both

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Speaker 2: Mary and Joseph, gave him the information and then how

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Speaker 2: they dealt with it right, and specifically, what I got

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Speaker 2: wrong was what the situation was between Joseph and Mary,

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Speaker 2: you know, prior to, during and after the revelation.

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Speaker 4: Also, I've always thought the immaculate conception was referring to

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Speaker 4: the birth of Jesus, but is actually a concept that

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Speaker 4: is associated with Mary being born without original sin.

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Speaker 2: Wow, let's see. I didn't know that, And I think

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Speaker 2: and I do wonder how much of that is different

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Speaker 2: between what's taught in certain Christian sects versus Catholic sects.

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Speaker 4: It's apparently not mentioned in scripture.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's an important point because we have

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Speaker 3: I know, we're getting to our next conversation, right, but

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Speaker 3: with this we do have to note that your denominational

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Speaker 3: mileage may vary. Oh, it's an important point to remember.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and your translation may vary too. There are

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Speaker 2: some very important things within Osma's message that we're going

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Speaker 2: to address here in a second. But first of all,

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Speaker 2: I guess just what we need to know is that

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Speaker 2: there were two different visitations from angels according to the Bible,

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Speaker 2: and one went to Mary first, and then another angel

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Speaker 2: visited Joseph. There's a dream or something and a visitation

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Speaker 2: that occurs for Joseph after he is made known by

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Speaker 2: Mary that this is what has happened, because she was

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Speaker 2: informed by a different angel Okay, let's continue on with

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Speaker 2: Sleepy Stella's message because she gives us a little more

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Speaker 2: information and specifically from a Catholic perspective.

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, this is Sleepy Stella. I'm listening to part

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Speaker 6: one of your Jesus episodes, and I really appreciate you

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Speaker 6: mentioning the perpetuation of miss Angle, because the story of

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Speaker 6: a human woman being knocked up by a heavenly or

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Speaker 6: a divine male is, you know, all over mythology, even

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Speaker 6: before Christianity came about. Anyway, I didn't want to clarify something.

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Speaker 6: I do not consider myself a Christian at this point

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Speaker 6: or a Catholic. I was brought up in the Catholic staith,

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Speaker 6: and I went to you know, Catechism, Sunday School, things

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Speaker 6: like that, and we always learned that Mary was is.

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Speaker 6: She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 7: Before she married Joseph. She was engaged to Joseph, and

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Speaker 7: in their little community wherever they lived, everyone knew that

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Speaker 7: they were betrothed. And the reason that the Angel appeared

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Speaker 7: to Joseph was to say, Hey, she's pregnant. He's going

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Speaker 7: to be the son of God, but please go ahead

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Speaker 7: with the wedding kind of make her an honest woman,

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Speaker 7: so that she's not an unwed mother, and that's when

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Speaker 7: the loyalty and the faith of both Joseph and Mary

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Speaker 7: were tested. I think you guys are saying in this

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Speaker 7: part one that Joseph and Mary were already married when

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Speaker 7: she received the Holy Spirit and became pregnant. That is

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Speaker 7: not how I learned it. But again, this is in

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Speaker 7: Catholic Catechism when I was making my sacraments. Anyway, call

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Speaker 7: me back if you'd like to discuss this. That's how

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Speaker 7: I always heard it. They need to make sure that

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Speaker 7: Mary was not ostracized by.

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Speaker 6: Her community by becoming.

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Speaker 8: Pregnant out of wetlock, even though Joseph was not the

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Speaker 8: biological father. Basically he kind of had to sign the

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Speaker 8: birth certificate kind of situation. So anyway, that's how I

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Speaker 8: always learned it. Thanks for your show.

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Speaker 7: I haven't called you guys in a long time, but

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Speaker 7: I'm enjoying listening to this episode, and thanks.

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Speaker 3: For what Bhi, thank you Sleepy Stella.

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Speaker 4: Gosh, great information, right and very much stuff that I know.

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Speaker 4: I grew up Methodists. I think you did as well. Matt.

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Speaker 4: It seems like they sort of dumb it down a

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Speaker 4: little bit. The version that you get in Methodist Sunday

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Speaker 4: School and Catholicism has always been a real hung up

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Speaker 4: on the details. Now, I don't mean that in a

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Speaker 4: negative way. I just mean very focused on very specific

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Speaker 4: chain of events, and I just feel like I kind

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Speaker 4: of got the like you know, made for TV movie

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Speaker 4: version of it, and my religious upbringing.

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Speaker 2: Well you got to think, you're I was a kid

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Speaker 2: for most of the time that I was studying the stuff,

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Speaker 2: and it was a big part of my life. And

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Speaker 2: you can imagine that there's a version of that that

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Speaker 2: goes to you know, the children's church thing you go

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Speaker 2: to and then the youth group that you go to.

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Speaker 2: They are very different versions of this probably that get

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Speaker 2: taught to you, and then that gets stuck in your

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Speaker 2: head the way they did get stuck in my head.

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Speaker 2: The complexity of being betrothed but not yet married and

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Speaker 2: then making that decision to go along with everything that's happening,

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Speaker 2: as we talked about in the episode, is so complex,

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Speaker 2: so just it's an intense moment. It's an intense thing

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Speaker 2: to do, right, so to teach kids that you just

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Speaker 2: maybe change it a little bit I'm imagining if the idea.

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Speaker 4: Even of receiving the Holy Spirit and not handled with

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Speaker 4: tact could certainly be a very difficult thing for a

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Speaker 4: kid to understand.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so guys, if you don't mind, I've shared

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Speaker 2: the document on here and I figured we could maybe

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Speaker 2: round robin some Luke and Matthew. Is that absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to do, Matthew or do you want

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Speaker 3: to profile you?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 2: So, here we go. This is the new International version

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Speaker 2: of the Bible via the Bible Gateway or Bible Gateway.

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Speaker 4: I never knew what that stood for, matt I always

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Speaker 4: see NIV on on certain editions.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for the international version.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's the version I just gave to my son.

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Speaker 3: It's a very popular one.

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Speaker 2: I had my name on it.

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Speaker 3: All right, here we go, man, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: This is Luke one twenty six through thirty eight, starting

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Speaker 2: with twenty six in the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about Elizabeth for this, But that is an

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Speaker 2: important part of the Bible.

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Speaker 3: But that's all there. What you said is all in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's Elizabeth pregnancy. Don't worry about that. Now we'll get

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Speaker 3: to Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: She's right. It comes in the story later continuing, God

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Speaker 2: sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee,

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Speaker 2: to a virgin pledged to be married to a man

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Speaker 2: named Joseph. A virgin pledged to be married pledged to

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Speaker 2: be married the man named Joseph a descendant of David.

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Speaker 2: The virgin's name was Mary.

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Speaker 3: The angel went to her and said, greetings, you, who

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Speaker 3: are highly favored. The Lord is with you.

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Speaker 4: Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what

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Speaker 4: kind of greeting this might be. But the Angel said

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Speaker 4: to her, do not be afraid, Mary, you have found

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Speaker 4: favor with God.

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Speaker 2: You will conceive and give birth to a son, and

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Speaker 2: you are to call him Jesus.

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Speaker 3: He will be great and will be called the Son

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Speaker 3: of the Most High. The Lord God will give him

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Speaker 3: the throne of his father.

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Speaker 4: David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever. His

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Speaker 4: kingdom will never end.

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Speaker 2: This is the really important part. How will this be,

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Speaker 2: Mary asked the angel, since I am a virgin.

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Speaker 3: The angel answered, the Holy Spirit will come on you,

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Speaker 3: and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

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Speaker 3: So the Holy One to be bored will be called

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Speaker 3: the Son of God. And we're gonna skip some of

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Speaker 3: the Elizabeth stuff, right, matt Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We're skipping over Elizabeth. Sorry Elizabeth. And finally here this

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Speaker 2: is verse thirty eight. I am the Lord's servant. Mary answered,

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Speaker 2: may your word to me be fulfilled? And then the

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Speaker 2: angel left her. So that's the moment everything we just

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Speaker 2: read there is the moment the angel Gabriel went to

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Speaker 2: Mary and gave her that news, right, the good news,

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Speaker 2: the messed up news, what the heck news? That was

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Speaker 2: that part. Now we got to jump to Matthew again

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Speaker 2: in the new International version, this is Matthew one eighteen

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Speaker 2: through twenty five to get some insight into how what

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Speaker 2: was Joseph doing, what happened to Joseph, and how did

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Speaker 2: he find out, and also to talk about the relationship

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Speaker 2: at the time, because this is where we find that information.

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Speaker 2: So let's begin. This is verse eighteen. This is how

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Speaker 2: the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about. His mother

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Speaker 2: Mary was pledged pledged to be married to Joseph, but

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Speaker 2: before they came together, she was found to be pregnant

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Speaker 2: through the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 3: Because Joseph, her husband, was faithful to the law and

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Speaker 3: yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace.

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Speaker 3: He had in mind to divorce her quietly, which is

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Speaker 3: a very big deal at that time.

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Speaker 4: Wow, And it's also that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: We had a crisis of faith.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it weird to use the term divorce because they're

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Speaker 2: betrothed at this moment, right, they're not married.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's a translation or a translation choice, i should say,

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Speaker 3: which these adaptations are riddled with.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying, man, he's having a crisis of faith

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Speaker 4: at this point because he does not yet understand the

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Speaker 4: magnitude of her being pregnant.

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Speaker 3: It's like, what is the right thing to do? What

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Speaker 3: is the most correct, most righteous path of action? And sometimes,

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Speaker 3: especially when you're in the trenches amid situations like this,

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Speaker 3: can be very difficult to see the broader horizon.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is before he has a vision though, Yes,

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Speaker 4: right before, Yes.

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Speaker 2: This is the test of faith that our callers are

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, he could have just jumped ship right away, but

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Speaker 4: instead he was dwelling on it. He actually slept on it.

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Speaker 2: It would seem exactly that's exactly.

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Speaker 3: What he did. Let's get to you, let's get to it, man.

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Speaker 4: You want to take us to verse twenty Sure, so

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Speaker 4: he is considering. After he considered this, an angel of

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Speaker 4: the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, Joseph,

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Speaker 4: son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary

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Speaker 4: home as your wife, because what is conceived in her

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Speaker 4: is from the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 2: She will give birth to a son, and you were

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Speaker 2: to give him the name Jesus, because he will save

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Speaker 2: his people from their sins.

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Speaker 3: All right, I don't want to editorialize too much, but

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Speaker 3: I love how this next couple verses. It feels like

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Speaker 3: there's a quick aside, like someone leans in and faces

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Speaker 3: the camera and says, all this took place to fulfill

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Speaker 3: what the Lord had said through the prophet. And then

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Speaker 3: back to the story, the virgin will conceive and give

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Speaker 3: birth to a son, and they will call him a Manuel,

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Speaker 3: which means God with us.

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Speaker 4: When Joseph woke up, he did what the Angel of

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Speaker 4: the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as

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Speaker 4: his wife.

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Speaker 2: But as was stated by our callers, this is verse

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Speaker 2: twenty five, but he did not consummate their marriage until

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Speaker 2: she gave birth to a son, and he gave him

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Speaker 2: the name Jesus. So yeah, there you go. There, there

662
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Speaker 2: is what the Bible says occurred, right, at least according

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Speaker 2: to that one version in translation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and while the translations may differ, right, and while

665
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Speaker 3: people have spent centuries exploring different connotations and implications of translation,

666
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Speaker 3: that's the gist of the story, correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and that is not off the top of

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Speaker 2: anyone's dome. I e me, that is what it actually states.

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Speaker 2: So chapter and verse, Yeah, there you go. And you know,

670
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: all this stuff is so complicated and based in faith anyway,

671
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Speaker 2: like even to the writing of the world that we

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00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: just stated out loud, right, and then whether or not

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Speaker 2: you or how you feel about those words and their

674
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: meaning and everything, and that is your own thing, right,

675
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Speaker 2: So there you go. I think that's it for this section.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear a word from a sponsor and we'll be

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Speaker 2: right back with more messages from you.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned, Ah what wonders to share with

679
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Speaker 3: you which have been shared with us via our fellow listeners.

680
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Speaker 3: We're not going to get to everything, So, fellow conspiracy

681
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Speaker 3: realist gentlemen, I propose a choice. Pick a number one through.

682
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 3: Pick a number one through. Oh gosh, I love this game.

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Speaker 3: One through five hundred thousand.

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Speaker 4: All right, that picks three hundred and ninety nine thousand,

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Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty three.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we're gonna go so with a quick

687
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Speaker 3: set up for a larger conversation from our pal Griffin. Griffin,

688
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Speaker 3: the Void reached out to you thanks to your excellent

689
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Speaker 3: correspondence earlier. We'll share this real quick because I think

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a rich, fertile soil for us

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Speaker 3: to explore together mourning gents, says Griffin. You can call

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00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: me Griffin, says Griffin. I was just listening to your

693
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: listener mail segment where you briefly touched on the possibility

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Speaker 3: of growing human organs and animals for transplant. I attempted

695
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Speaker 3: to write an ethics paper about this, maybe close to

696
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: twenty years ago. At this point, it's an area of

697
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: fraught with ethical issues. I understand the desire to end

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Speaker 3: any organ shortage to mitigate the suffering of people around

699
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: the world. Audits surface, it really appears to be a

700
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: no brainer. Where I get stuck at is at what

701
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: point do these animal donors have rights of their own?

702
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: Stay with me, This is into a letter from PETA

703
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: pause here, Griffin We actually got some really nice letters

704
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: from Peta. We had some pretty great correspondence, which I

705
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: believe we shared on air. Anyway, Griffin continues, and this

706
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: is where it gets quite fascinating. Simply perform a thought experiment,

707
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: says Griffin. Assumed that we've modified a pig to grow

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00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: organ safe for human transplant, essentially creating an animal that,

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Speaker 3: short of skin and bone structure, is human in every

710
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: other way. A human in a pig bag points to

711
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: you for the creative writing there. Now, at what point

712
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: are those pigs hitting a threshold whereby they should be

713
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: considered human and afforded the rights and considerations that we

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Speaker 3: would give to every other human. This is my problem

715
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: with it, says Griffin, because I found I could not

716
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 3: come to an answer. The end result of this science

717
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: is organ farms full of hybrid animals. It's distressing to

718
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: consider that they may be human enough that the moral

719
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: consideration that one human life is worth more than one

720
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: animal life would need to be considered a side off. Griffin. Jeez,

721
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Speaker 3: it's something that we've quarreled with, right, It's something that

722
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Griffin. We wrote back to you with

723
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Speaker 3: perhaps an overly thorough response there, But there's a lot

724
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: to it, you know, guys. Do you guys ever think

725
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: about that? Like? Is there all right? Let me set

726
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: up this way, so Griffin, please send us your paper

727
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: if you return to it. We always love reading reading

728
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: the things that our fellow listeners create. In our response

729
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Speaker 3: with you, we talk about the ethical foundations of this conversation.

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Speaker 3: And first off, I don't know about you, guys, but

731
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Speaker 3: I think this is going to become increasingly more concrete

732
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Speaker 3: as time goes on. Like I think the I think

733
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Speaker 3: the chimera organs are on the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, aren't they being worked on? They yet? I remember

735
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: seeing videos about this with rats and human ears.

736
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, years ago, yeah yeah, And it wasn't the

737
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Speaker 3: inner workings of the ear. It was just the fun

738
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Speaker 3: part that gets cauliflowered, except if someone clocks you. And

739
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: then also we know that there were heart transplants poresine

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Speaker 3: or pig heart transplants, and that led to people living

741
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Speaker 3: longer than they would have. Unfortunately they did expire after

742
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Speaker 3: the transplant, right, so they're not alive today.

743
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it is going to happen at some point.

745
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 3: But our argument here is maybe maybe needs to begin

746
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: with the two distinct and sometimes mutually exclusive philosophical origin stories.

747
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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: One idea that is oversimplifying is that a all higher

749
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Speaker 3: forms of life deserve the same right as the human animals, Right,

750
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: that's number one. Number two is a little more nuanced

751
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 3: and says the crucial difference ethically hinges on the complexity

752
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: of the brain. Right, So a chicken is not gonna

753
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: is not going to figure out Project Willow and quantum

754
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: proof computing or something like that. However, and that's a

755
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: shout out to you, Baron, Eaton. We could say that

756
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Speaker 3: a corvid or the right kind of cephalopod may be

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00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: close enough to what humans experience cognitively that they should

758
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 3: be afforded the same rights, you know, feeling pain, feeling regret,

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00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: knowing people, missing people, or other you know, members of

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Speaker 3: your community. I don't know, I think that is those

761
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: those points seem kind of distinct, right they.

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Speaker 2: Do, They certainly do. But I'm just I took a

763
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Speaker 2: look at my dog, oh, sitting on a bed over there,

764
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: and just thinking, well, dang, I mean, I think I

765
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Speaker 2: see a lot of the emotions in her. Course, I

766
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: am the human that's tesked with keeping her alive, but

767
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Speaker 2: in the same way. I don't know we've had those

768
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: discussions animal intelligence and plant intelligence. I think you've had

769
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: those like those really gosh, these when you get down

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Speaker 2: into it, like how would you possibly give full human

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00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: rights to all higher order animals? Like how could you

772
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Speaker 2: even do it?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, the concept of legal personhood, which argues that

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Speaker 3: some non human life forms, whatever they may be, have

775
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: evolved to the point that they should, you know, be

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00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: counted as humans legally. It's a weird definition because it's

777
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: kind of like what we talked about with the disappearance

778
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: of Ambrose Small is legally dead for a while, and

779
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: then eventually they say is really dead. It's nuts because

780
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: it reminds us of something we didn't get to in

781
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: strange news, you guys, this is a hobby horse for

782
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: us for many years. Elephants legally can no longer pursue

783
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: their release from the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo in Colorado. It

784
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Speaker 3: went all the way to the Colorado Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I did see that headline. Actually, it's pretty wild.

786
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Speaker 3: I can't wait for the law and order on this one,

787
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, who's going to play the

788
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: elephant dun dune.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, Willem Dafoe perfect, perfect, or Gary Oldman

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Speaker 4: who may have Willem Dafoe is kind of always Willem

791
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Speaker 4: Dafoe except when he played Usperazio that time, but he

792
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 4: isn't really known for his transformation. You're right, Oldmen is

793
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: a much better pick.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I could see all I could see

795
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: all of it. But all right, So critics of this,

796
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Speaker 3: we'll call the move to free the elephant's pr stunt,

797
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: but supporters of not putting these kind of animals in

798
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 3: zoos will say it's a moral necessity and legal person

799
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: hood is It's a concept that we see in multiple countries.

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00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: It's going to recur as time goes on, and I

801
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: think it will only accelerate and the stakes will raise

802
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: with each passing moment because the natural habitats where these

803
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 3: animals could reside are quickly disappearing, you know. I mean, yeah,

804
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: zoos aren't great. You know, I'll never forget the various

805
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: times we've hung out. I think maybe we met the

806
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: same guy in Atlanta who called our local zoo an

807
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: animal prison or animal jail. Did you guys ever meet

808
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: that guy.

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00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: No, but I've certainly heard that term thrown around, and

810
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 4: there's animal rights groups that seem to feel that way.

811
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Speaker 4: I think we have mentioned often on this show that

812
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Speaker 4: our zoo, as well as the aquarium here in Atlanta,

813
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 4: are kind of focused on rescues and animals that wouldn't

814
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Speaker 4: survive in the wild because of various injuries or that

815
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 4: they would be ostracized, et cetera. So there's something to

816
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: that in a conservation kind of way. I do not

817
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: care for the idea of zoos as like amusement parks,

818
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 4: you know, and animals on display simply for entertainment purposes.

819
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: If there is a component like that's obviously what pays

820
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 4: for these conservation efforts. People buying tickets to the zoo,

821
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 4: and I think that's great, but I do kind of

822
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: prefer personally for there to be that conservationist component.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just remember how fun the zoo was with

824
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: my son when he was young, and it was always

825
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Speaker 2: a learning opportunity.

826
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Speaker 3: Also, I'll say it, man ethics society, where are you

827
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: going to have the other opportunity to witness firsthand these

828
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: amazing organisms? You know what I mean?

829
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Speaker 4: I mean, I went to the Animal Kingdom last year,

830
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: maybe two years ago at Disney, and there's a Safari

831
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: ride and I don't know what their deal is where

832
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 4: these animals come from, but it was incredible. It was

833
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: this vast open area and all of these zebras and

834
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: it was a really good day. A lot of times

835
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 4: they're hiding, but they were all out. And the people

836
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 4: who are giving the tours and these like kind of

837
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 4: buses that can even drive through pretty deep water. We're

838
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: clearly just absolutely, you know, passionate about these animals. There's

839
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 4: no question there. So again, I don't know the deal

840
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 4: with these animals and how Disney acquires them, but I did.

841
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 4: You're right to your point, Matt. Probably not going to

842
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: go on African Safari anytime soon, but this was kind

843
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 4: of the next best thing.

844
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: See. But are the rhinos true cast members?

845
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know, Oh boy, check out our Disney

846
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: until they pull their heads off.

847
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: Oh no.

848
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: So that's our first axiom, right, our beginning point. What

849
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: we would take to be true in this argument is

850
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: that all higher forms of life deserve the same rights

851
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 3: as human animals. In theory, that's great, it is true

852
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: and noble. However, in practice it has never happened, and

853
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: we have to remember that most humans don't have the

854
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: rights that we like to say most humans have, right. Right.

855
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: The second axiom is, you know that idea of how

856
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: complex is the brain? Right? Are you capable of metacognition?

857
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: Are you capable of art abstraction? And do you miss

858
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: things when they're gone? Can you see an invention and

859
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 3: replicate it? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. There's a

860
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: lot of misinformation here because a lot of non human

861
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: animals make tools. And this is where we get to

862
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 3: the idea that that you're talking about, Griffin, the argument

863
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: that creating a non human animal with discrete human compatible

864
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: components is helpful. Right, it would undoubtedly save human lives.

865
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 4: But Ben, do you think that would also maybe change

866
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 4: some of the perspective around animal rights just in general,

867
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: Like like, since there are hybrids, now, does that mean

868
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: the non human animals maybe attain some more robust rights?

869
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: Hell?

870
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm just wondering if you changed the lay

871
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: of the land. You know, I think it's great foreshadowy.

872
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: So this is not step ad in. So I am

873
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: not a neurosurgeon, thank goodness, but we know that the

874
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: brain in all these living things, it is the headquarters

875
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: of the nervous system and therefore organ interaction. So it

876
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: seems like a tall milkshake for us to claim that

877
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: changing the organs of a living creature would not somehow

878
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: result in secondary changes upon the brain. So how many organs,

879
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: how many systems can you sort of humanize before the

880
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 3: brain starts to humanize as well? Does that make sense?

881
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 7: Yes?

882
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and we talked a lot about the humanized models,

883
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: as they called them, of rats and mice, right and

884
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: some of these other animals that already have their DNA

885
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: altered so that they are more human like. And as

886
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: you're saying, what does that do to the cognition of

887
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: that creature?

888
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: I love it because when you say that on a

889
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: lighthearted note, that makes me remember the excellent videos that

890
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: I will consistently go back to of rats enjoying their lives,

891
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: like rats being tickled. Rats are ticklish. I don't know

892
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: if you guys.

893
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 4: Squirrels some amazing videos of like squirrels reacting to trauma,

894
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: like I saw one the other day of squirrel grabbing

895
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: their heart like, oh, like out of surprise, like a

896
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 4: Disney cartoon character. You know, I mean there are They

897
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: are able to process complex emotions. There's no question about it.

898
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also I wanted to shout this out the

899
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 3: Top Tier video if you have never seen it, there

900
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: was a study teaching rats to drive and they love it.

901
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: They're all about it. Ares, But are they having fun?

902
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: You know? Are they getting out there? They super duper

903
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: are We also know that I've read too much rat science.

904
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: We also know that rats musical preferences change on based

905
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: on the amount of cocaine administered to them. Yeah, who

906
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: got the grant for that one? You know what I mean?

907
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: Well, they probably got a pardon from George W. Bush.

908
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is science, there it is.

909
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: But congratulations to whomever helmed that study, because you must have.

910
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 3: You must have rolled a critical success on pitching ideas

911
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: with charisma. We are admittedly consummate omnivores here on this show.

912
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: We are well aware of the horrors inherent and factory

913
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: farming and livestock industries as they stand today. But I

914
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: will posit to this question about what makes a human

915
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: a human right, I would posit that this becomes more

916
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: immediate when we see a race between two biomedical breakthroughs

917
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 3: and it's very much ticking clock here. Which will win

918
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: the race? Is it going to be the creation of

919
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: Kaimer destined for death? Like we grew this pig because

920
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 3: it has pork chops, but we also grew it because

921
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: as a heart, you know what I mean, or a

922
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: kidney or what's what's a funny organ? A clean there

923
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: we go, nailed it, well done? Yeah?

924
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 9: Well?

925
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: And one of the cool things about this, and I'm

926
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: gonna give you a proposal here. One of the cool

927
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: things about this is that the organs are often grown

928
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 2: on the exterior of these animals. So what if there

929
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: was a way to remove the organ that was grown,

930
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: save the animal, and now the animal can live a life.

931
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: What if with every organ grown you get an adopted

932
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: animal h.

933
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 3: Very like Toms of Maine.

934
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, or what if the whole the whole trial period

935
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: at the end, you have to take care of the

936
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: animal for the two months prior to getting your getting

937
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: the organ installed. So it's up to you whether or

938
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: not you keep that animal in a happy, healthy place.

939
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: Sure, welcome to the least we can do. Well, you

940
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean? You know this is the other

941
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: thing too, right, the other like the idea of growing

942
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: animals purposely for these organs. And I love your idea there, Matt.

943
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: It's not that different, coldly put, from the way that

944
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 3: people are raising livestock today, right. The difference is only

945
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: the end use, which is horrific to say, but very true.

946
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: The other thing racing towards the finish line of technology here,

947
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: and I would argue triggering a form of path dependence

948
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 3: is the creation of just purpose made, manufactured replacement organs. Hey, hey,

949
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: says the person. I've got a bum ticker. I have

950
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: certain maybe physical or philosophical, or ideological or spiritual limitations

951
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: that do not allow me to have a poreside heart

952
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: inside of me. So here's some of my DNA. You

953
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: guys have a great weekend, and then just three D

954
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: print a new heart for me. Something like that's gonna happen.

955
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: It may be more expensive, but I posit this. Whatever

956
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: the breakthrough is, whatever path dependence occurs, and there will

957
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: be some sort of it. What about this. We talk

958
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: about replacing a human organ often, right, because humans are

959
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: super into not dying. What happens when you need to

960
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 3: replace a brain. To go back to the idea or

961
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: building on the least, we can do or the least

962
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: you could do. LLC picture of this kind of Faustian

963
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: bargain or this poison pill deal. What do you do

964
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: in a world where your loved ones may die but

965
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: they could have a copy or fasimile of their consciousness

966
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: put in a new physical body. Right now, we usually

967
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 3: think of that being robots, right, or some kind of

968
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: online similacrum. But here's the gallows humor. How about this.

969
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: What if the replacement does become possible and they say, ah,

970
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: your organs are too riddled with problems. We can replace

971
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: you know, your brain. We can make a copy of

972
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: you in a new thing. And you say, yes, doctor,

973
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: please save me, And they say, all right, due to

974
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: the constraints of current biomedical research, your consciousness can be replicated.

975
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: We can save your life, but you will be inside

976
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: the body of a pig. M What would you do?

977
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, that's doable.

978
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 4: Let's try it. Yeah, I support you, guys.

979
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 3: That is one of the most diplomatic nos I've ever heard.

980
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 3: I love it, man. I don't know if most people

981
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: would say yes. You know, we're thinking out loud here,

982
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: but again, thought experiments aside. This is going to be

983
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: a thing. The red market is very real. A lot

984
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: of people have died as a result, a lot of

985
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: money has been made, a lot of crime has been committed,

986
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: and everyone wants other people to be able to survive.

987
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: We just don't know what the effects of that are

988
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 3: going to be. You know, it's a fantagious situation again,

989
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 3: Like you, what happens if organ replacement becomes incredibly affordable

990
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: economy of scale? Right now, I don't have to worry

991
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: about smoking. Just pop over to CVS get my other lungs,

992
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? I get a price break

993
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 3: at twelve.

994
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: That's that's crap.

995
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's it's a lot to think of.

996
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: And sorry, I know I'm ranting a little bit here,

997
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: but but what, like, what would you guys do? Is

998
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: it is it possible that is it possible that at

999
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: some point this kind of technology would be banned because

1000
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: of the ethical complications?

1001
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we just got a three D print

1002
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: them proteins. We can do this.

1003
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: I like the optimism, Noel, how about you?

1004
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 4: What I mean? You know, I'm given the vast quantities

1005
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 4: of money involved in the field of biomedical technology, I

1006
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 4: have a hard time thinking if there's money to be made,

1007
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: that it's going to do anything but progress. I don't

1008
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: think ethics typically are at play when it comes to

1009
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: money to be made, you know, I mean it kind

1010
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 4: of It seems like a lot of times it is

1011
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: stuff is pushed forward without fully thinking through the end game,

1012
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 4: ramifications in the service of making lots of money, and

1013
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 4: that maybe the voices of dissent are often kind of

1014
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 4: quieted in favor of quote unquote progress.

1015
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, terrifyingly well put there. We know that, we

1016
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: know the conversation will continue. We're going to We're going

1017
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 3: to lean on you. Fellow conspiracy realist. Please write in

1018
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: and tell us how you would solve these ethical quandaries.

1019
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: Is there something that you would not do to save

1020
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: yourself or a loved one? What is the what is

1021
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: the rubicon? Thou shaltst not cross? The Bible's got in

1022
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: my head recently. Before we before we go out, we

1023
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: want to in Letters from Home, we want to give

1024
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: a quick shout out to soup Dog, who raised some

1025
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: fantastic questions about digital existence. Do check out our recent

1026
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: conversation with the tech researcher and award winning podcaster Carl Miller,

1027
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: creator of kill List that should be available now. We

1028
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: are going to get to our good friend Baron Eaton

1029
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: and Project Willow in the future. But for this moment,

1030
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: I think there's nothing better for us to go out

1031
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: on than a nice joke as a palate cleanser. Remember

1032
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: how earlier we were hyping up this joke.

1033
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: Oh and something about the snow.

1034
00:58:54,080 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: Can we hype it up more? Yeah, Dillie, give us

1035
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 3: some crazy music, no crazier.

1036
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, this might be too crazy.

1037
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 3: All right, all right, take it down one point five.

1038
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

1039
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: There it is, that's the spot that sounded weird. Uh,

1040
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: here we go. This is uh. This is a joke

1041
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: that we were very excited to receive from our pal Harrow.

1042
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: Add with that drum roll, we proudly present.

1043
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 9: Hey man, I'm listening to the Listener news and you

1044
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 9: made a reference to ic DMS and I just wanted

1045
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 9: to point out that that is. But yet when the

1046
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 9: abominable spittleman anyway, Emo, Harrow, have a great day, go ahead,

1047
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 9: and if you wish go ah.

1048
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: I'll take it.

1049
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 10: It's better than humorous, Harry, And yeah, yeah, we appreciate

1050
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 10: everybody who writes in with humor, which is one of

1051
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 10: the highest aspects of thought, to be honest with you,

1052
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 10: but maybe we restate.

1053
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: The joke one more time for people who haven't heard

1054
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: it before. What do you call it? How someone else

1055
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: do it? I'm too close to it right now.

1056
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,479
Speaker 2: What do you call it? When the abominable snowman takes

1057
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: a poop?

1058
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: And ic b m oh. Thank you for the rackouts.

1059
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 3: Applause Dill in Tennessee pal face.

1060
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 4: Like innercontinental ballistic missile, Yes, icy, icy movement, Yes, yes, okay,

1061
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's good humor when you have to

1062
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: spell it all out for everybody, or I'm just bad

1063
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 4: at it at jokes. Sorry, that's awesome. That's very good,

1064
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 4: very good.

1065
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the rockets. Applause there, Dylan,

1066
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 3: Thank you to Griffin Harrow, Soup Dog, Bearing Eat, no

1067
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: Ose Woman, Sleepy Stella, Marvelous, Marvin, the millennial Boomer, and

1068
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: most importantly, thanks for tuning in, folks. That is our show.

1069
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: Join us tomorrow. We have such wonders to show you

1070
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 3: if you want to, if you want to inspire us

1071
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: in a further exploration of these programs or an episode

1072
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: please please please hit us up immediately stop whatever you're doing.

1073
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 3: Shoot us an email, drop us a call, or hit

1074
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: us up on the nets of the inters, which is

1075
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Speaker 3: how Yoda would say internet.

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Speaker 4: He ways, Yeah, God bless him for it. You can

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Speaker 4: find us with the handle conspiracy stuff what we exist

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Speaker 4: on Facebook with our Facebook grub here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 4: On YouTube we have video content for your producing enjoyment.

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Speaker 4: And on xfka, Twitter, on Instagram and TikTok we are

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Speaker 4: conspiracy stuff show. We're also human people. I'm how now

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Speaker 4: Noel Brown on Instagram? How about you, Ben Bowen.

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Speaker 3: If I survive the current travails, I am an entity

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Speaker 3: that can be located in a number of fashions. Get

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Speaker 3: the to the Necronomicon. Turn to page sigma eight. There

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Speaker 3: will be a little upside down black triangle there. It

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Speaker 3: is a magic book. So just turn that triangle the

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Speaker 3: correct way at midnight and then we'll start chatting. Or

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Speaker 3: you can find me on Instagram at redacted.

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Speaker 2: Oh and Matt, Yeah, if you want to find me,

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Speaker 2: just go outside, find a car. Make sure you can

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Speaker 2: see yourself in that car's windshield. Once you're there, give

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Speaker 2: it your absolute best. Riz you could usually just look

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Speaker 2: through Ben and Noles thing and I'll be in there. Wait,

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Speaker 2: somebody just changed my name to Riz.

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Speaker 4: God no they did not. I love it as well

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Speaker 4: they said it, by the way, speaking You know what,

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Speaker 4: here's a little secret hint for finding Matt. He just

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Speaker 4: posted a really cool video talking about our live appearance

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Speaker 4: on February eight, nineteenth at National Sawdust as part of

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Speaker 4: the on air fest. If you want to hear Matt's

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Speaker 4: dulcit singing voice and piano playing skills, you can check

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Speaker 4: that out on my and Ben and the Stuff they

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Speaker 4: don't want you to know Instagram account and it will

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Speaker 4: point you to Matt's secret personal account. Ooh yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: You still pretend it's a secret. We gave you a

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Speaker 3: pretty clear directions. But yeah, you know, secrets are fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. My name is Matt Frederick. You can find

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Speaker 2: me on Instagram. You can call our number one eight

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Speaker 2: three three STDWYTK and tell us all about all the

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Speaker 2: things that we talked about in this episode. What are

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Speaker 2: your feelings, what are your thoughts? What are your ideas?

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Speaker 2: When you call in, you've got three minutes say whatever

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Speaker 2: you'd like. Give yourself a cool nickname and let us

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Speaker 2: know if we can use your name and message on

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Speaker 2: the air within the message. If you got more to

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Speaker 2: say than can fit in a three minute voicemail, why

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Speaker 2: not send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

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Speaker 3: we receive. If you are like barred eaton, may memhir

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Speaker 3: give you grace to book an appointment the world of

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Speaker 3: quantum proofing before search or wins kidding. That is an

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Speaker 3: inside joke for a guess one person. This is one

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Speaker 3: of our favorite ways to be contacted. Twenty four hours

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Speaker 3: in evening, seven nights a week. Sometimes the void writes,

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Speaker 3: so be well aware, yet unafraid, join us out here

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Speaker 3: in the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want you to Know is a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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