1 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Today, we're kicking off zenem Off week. Yay. 2 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: We're latching onto your faces and showing up in your 3 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: ear canals with four alien focused backback episodes this. 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Week leading up to the release of Alien Romulus. 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: On today's episode, we're exploring some of the wildest alien 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: comic book crossovers, from Judge Dread to Clark Kent to Bampfires. 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: The Xenimos have lovingly found their way into the chest 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: cavities of characters in every corner of pop culture, and 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: we are here to guide you through. 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: So the story of Alien in. 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Comics is a wild one that begins the same year 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: as the movie and features some of the biggest names 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: in comic book creation and some of the most famous 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: superheroes on the planet. 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: And to join me on this epic journey. 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: Through comic book and movie history is the producer Princesses 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: Carmen Lorentz and Joezy What's so hello? 18 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: to be here. 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just such a fantastic bit of alien 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: history that I feel like not a lot of people know. 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: So it all began in actually June nineteen seventy nine, 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: so literally like a couple of months after the movie 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: came out with Alien the Illustrated Story, which was a 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: direct adaptation of Dan O'Bannon's Alien screenplay by two heavyweights, 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson. The early graphic novel was 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: actually published by Heavy Metal, which is another thing I 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: feel like nobody knows. 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Best known for their magazine of the same. 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: Name that specialized in boundary defying sci fi with strong 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: visual sensibilities, this Alien comic was actually formatted like a 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: lot of other graphic novels of the time, taking influence 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: from the European graphic album back Desstina style, so it 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: was much bigger. It utilized wider magazine sized pages as 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: opposed to most graphic novels that are now made at 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: like a standard comic book size. It's also really cool 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: because they did a reprint of it like a few 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: years ago. 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: That's huge. That's massive hardcover books. 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean what Simon's in an Archie Goodwin 41 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: You're talking about, like at the time, two of the 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: biggest creators, So I feel like from the origins of 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: this they knew that they had something that would translate 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: to the medium really well, have you ever read an 45 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: alien comic book? 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: Common? 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 4: You know, I have not, but I have seen them 48 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 4: when I'm walking around the comic book shop, and I 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 4: do wonder, I have wondered to myself, would I enjoy this? 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: I think there's just so many that you probably would 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: find one that you have. 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: I gravitate towards anything like Vamparella. Love me some Vamparella. 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: I gravitate towards Catwoman comic. But I should check out 55 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 4: the alien comics. 56 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: Yes, well, you're going to be very happy because spoiler alert, guys, 57 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: we're going to get into some wild crossovers and. 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: There is a Vamparella Aliens crossover. Carmen so very good excited. 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: So At the time of the. 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: First Alien comic coming out in seventy nine, Archie Goodwin 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: was the writer and editor of Marvel's Star Wars comics, 62 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: a series that not only helped popularize the infamous space 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: opera franchise for the Masses, but also saved Marvel's struggling 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: publishing efforts at the time. Simonson, who is like a 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: legend and a we're big fans of him at the podcast, 66 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: had worked a year earlier with Goodwin on Star Wars sixteen, 67 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: an issue notable for the first appearance of fan fave 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: character Bella Valance, who we will talk more about later. 69 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: He would later go on to become the writer artist 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: of the Star Wars series, but first he delivered the 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: moody and evocative visuals on this version of Alien that 72 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: placed a somewhat different emphasis on certain parts of the 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: story than the signature slow burn of Ridley Scott's film. 74 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: But it wouldn't be until almost ten years later that 75 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: Alien Comics returned, this time under the purview of a 76 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: fledgling indie publisher, Dark Horse Comics, who everyone probably knows 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: best for hell Boy and the small company would take 78 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: great care of the Alien franchise, opting to produce stories 79 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: that slotted in before and after the films instead of 80 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 2: merely adapting the movies, and that is essentially who would 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: keep publishing Alien comics for the next few decades until 82 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: we got to the modern age. So they published classic 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: single issue comics, meaning that we were getting Alien on 84 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: the shelves monthly, and the series were paced to compliment 85 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: that kind of release system, ranging from two to six 86 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: issues in most iterations. Kicked off with a black and 87 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: white sequel to Aliens, which I feel like is a 88 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: really great place to se start Carmen or other listeners 89 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: because you get the direct sequel and then they did 90 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: a sequel in color. There is a murderer's row of 91 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: famous talent involved. Over thirty years you're talking about, dark 92 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: Horse was bringing in everyone like Sam Keith, who did 93 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: the Max Kelly Jones, who did the very famous Elseworld 94 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: story where Batman becomes a vampire while fighting Dracula. 95 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: You add Richard Corbyn, a legend. 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 5: That great, fucking serious. 97 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, so good, Doug Monkey, Mike Mignola, the creator of 98 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: hell Boy, and so many more luminary talents. 99 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: The list just goes on and on. 100 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 5: Wait, Rosie, can I ask you? 101 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah please? 102 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 6: Okay, So Arian just popped a great question in the chat. 103 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 6: Were the dark Horse comics considered cannon? 104 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: I would say that they were licensed, so they were 105 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: always approved. So I would say that probably if you 106 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: go on the fan wikis and stuff, they would be 107 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: considered to be a cannon. 108 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Now do I know, I don't know one hundred percent. 109 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 6: A can There are multiple cannons for Aliens. 110 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that the comic books were 111 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: canon to the point where, like they would say, you know, 112 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: kind of like how we think of I would guess 113 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: I would think about it this way. If you think 114 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: about Marvel comics, right, and the Marvel movies, there's like 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: the MCU canon and the comic book canon, right, And 116 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: these Alien comics did go on for long enough that 117 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: I believe that they count as having their own canon. 118 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: But I would also say that because for a long time, 119 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: until Ridley Scott came back with Prometheus, for a long 120 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: time there hadn't been a lot of Alien stuff, So 121 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: this probably was seen as direct canon. 122 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: I would say for a lot of fans, which often 123 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: is where are ideas of canon come from? 124 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 4: Do the comics that all affect what's happening in the 125 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 4: movie canon at all? 126 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 6: Like? 127 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: Did those now? 128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: I would say no, because the truth is there isn't 129 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: really even the movie canon I was going to say, 130 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: is very much. They never had like a you know, 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: as Legendary does now who make the Godilla movies they 132 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: have a mythology team, or the MCU they have the Parliament. 133 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: But with Alien, I think it was more that it 134 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: was a fantastic movie that was then owned by a 135 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: studio who were like, well, let's make Alien three and 136 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: bring in David Fincher and not even let him make 137 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: his craziest version. 138 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: So I think the idea. 139 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: Of canon in the nineties, eighties and nineties was like 140 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: much looser than now, where I feel like we are 141 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: deeply invested in canon. But I'd say for a lot 142 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: of people, especially kids who maybe hadn't even seen the 143 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Alien movies, I would say that this was probably the 144 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: canon that they knew, and there are overarching stories. And 145 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: also something really interesting is a lot of the comics 146 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: would then be adapted into novels. That was the impact 147 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: they had, and there is a thriving alien fiction canon 148 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: of books that were published in this world. 149 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: It's really interesting because it usually goes the other way, 150 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: where you get a book that's adapted into a comic. 151 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: And it was really interesting because it's really a testament 152 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: to kind of the care and detail that was put 153 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: into the law building of the Dark Horse line, which was, 154 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: like you know, it. 155 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Was known for big alien stories. 156 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: But also I would say the biggest thing, which we're 157 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: going to get a little bit deeper into, is the crossovers. Okay, 158 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: because they about fifteen years after the movie came out. 159 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: They made a Predator crossover which oh not yea though. 160 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: Exactly not AVP, which we all love, but this is 161 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: pre dating AVP wow, And it was in dark Horse Presents, 162 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: which was their signature kind of anthology. It came out 163 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: dark Horse Presents thirty six and super fans will notice 164 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: that nineteen eighty nine means this is the first time 165 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: the Predator and the Alien crossed over, further kind of 166 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: cementing that groundbreaking tradition of the dark Horse era, and 167 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: that would go unlikely to become I would say the 168 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: most famous thing about these comics because by the mid 169 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: nineties dark Horse had worked out a deal of. 170 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: Some kind with DC. 171 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,119 Speaker 2: So by the nineties you had DC crossovers with Aliens 172 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: that began with of course the pinnacle of DC, it 173 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: was Superman versus Aliens. I also had it interesting that 174 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: they went for the aliens. It was always aliens rather 175 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: than Alien. I would have gone for Alien, but I 176 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: get it. They're saying there's more than one's enomor, like, 177 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: don't worry. So Superman Versus Aliens is like a three 178 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: issue comics series, little mini series where Superman kind of 179 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: learns about some signals coming from space and along with 180 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: the help of Lex Corp, shocking, he realizes their Kryptonian 181 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: distress calls and they essentially go and they want to 182 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: help the Kryptonians and they send a space station and 183 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: guess what dun done. 184 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: There are aliens and face huggers and. 185 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: Also some weird stuff where like both Kara and Superman 186 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: are infested with like special chest bursters, so no aliens 187 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: will attack them, and then Superman like teleports the chest 188 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: bursters out of their bodies. Of course, of course, guys. 189 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: So that was the first one. And as you can tell, 190 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: something that I think was very cool about these when 191 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: you can really start to see they are not cannon 192 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: to the movies. This is an era before the movies 193 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: were really defining everything, so you could just do the 194 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: most bonkers stuff like they were. Like, this is just 195 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: a crossover. 196 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: It costs a lot to say. All these spaceships out. 197 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: To keep getting infected by xenomorphs, so please listen to 198 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: some man. There were so many different crossovers with aliens 199 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: and all of them are absolutely bonkers. 200 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: The next one was Batman Aliens. 201 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: It's interesting though Superman Superman versus Aliens but then Batman 202 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: slash aliens, so you get anything out of the name difference. 203 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: Here Batman, he is leaving Gotham, he's looking for a 204 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: missing Wayne Enterprises geologist, heads to the Guatemala Mexican border 205 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: and runs into some xenomorphs who are just chilling and now, 206 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: yeah at the border, what are they doing there? 207 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: Okay? 208 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're telling me that Bruce Wayne Batman himself 209 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 4: is going and doing the search and rescue for the 210 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: Wayne Corporation. 211 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 2: I'm sharcked, but I'm assuming that they're probably like dating. Okay, 212 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: that would be I'm like Batman's probably like he's like, 213 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: this is my girlfriend, because otherwise why he he's invested. Yeah, 214 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: there is like, of course this is very like ninety ship. 215 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: So there's like he's like working. 216 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: With a group of special forces. 217 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: And he's like getting face huger samples where I'm like, 218 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: I do not think Batman should do that. Also, this 219 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: one is very iconic because you get like a weird 220 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: xenomorph crocodile hybrid. 221 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: Oh I love that. 222 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: And this is like this has got Yeah, this has 223 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: got like a very iconic moment to where he like 224 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: loses that he uses this is a this is a 225 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: good Oh that is bad ass. Yeah, it's really cool 226 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: right and alien. Yeah, it's very very wild to me 227 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: because they are like he like uses the blood to 228 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: drop it through the acid bud, their acid blood, and 229 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: he uses it to weaken the floor to like drop 230 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: the crocodile into a volcano. 231 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: So like good for resourceful he is. I feel like 232 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: that's actually something. 233 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 5: He's got a giant spear on his tail. 234 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: That's just how it is. 235 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 6: He looks so cool, guys, like, let's bring him back, 236 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 6: but with an alien head. 237 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: Let's bring him back guys. 238 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So I just need to say as well, this 239 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: is another crazy thing about this. So when you're talking 240 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: about Batman aliens, this is Ron Mars, who is no joke, 241 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: like a complete legend, who wrote so much Silver Surfer, 242 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: Green Lantern DC versus Marvel crossovers and then penciled by 243 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: Bernie Wrightson, who is like a horror comics legend who 244 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 2: created Swamp Thing. 245 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: So these team ups like they. 246 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 2: Were drawing these huge creators because I think people were 247 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: excited I would want to write this, you know, like 248 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: it makes sense. Then finally in like two thousand, they 249 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: did Greenland and Versus Aliens and now Versus is spelled out, 250 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: so we've got a third title format. 251 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: This is like a no market confusion here. No, this 252 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: is a issue series. Ron Mars is back. 253 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: Good for you, Ron, but he's now illustrated by Rick Leonardi, 254 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: who I actually have his art tattoed on my arm. 255 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: He drew my Bover tattoo. And Mike Perkins, who is 256 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: another once again like Captain America that he did swamp 257 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: thing again, Like these are just huge creators and stars, 258 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: several green lanterns, including Kyle Rainer, who is definitely the 259 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: hot boy at the time. 260 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: We love Kyle Reiner. 261 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: It is outside of the DC cannon, but again very 262 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: contested because people were like, well, you're not telling us, 263 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: And the only reason we kind of know that is 264 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: because there's green lanterns who are alive outside of this 265 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: story that don't survive. But yeah, we got all kinds 266 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: of green lanterns and a chest Burster announces itself from 267 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: a dying green lantern called Baron char and how Jordan's like, boom, 268 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: I'm here and I've got to find out what's going 269 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: on in the DC comics. 270 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: He'd been dead for a long time, so that was 271 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: kind of a big deal. 272 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, this is the Green Lanton Ones, which I 273 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: would say is not surprising, is much more in depth 274 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: and has to do less set up of how the 275 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: xenomorphs are there because it's a space story, so it 276 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: actually gets very into Green Lantern Law. I would also 277 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: say that one has like an extremely cool cover, so 278 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: definitely worth checking it out. Okay, next we go to 279 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: the indie crossovers, which kind of really blow my mind. 280 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: This stuff was happening. So in the nineties, Jim Lee and. 281 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: Some other creators who are Mike's and Marx Silvestri, Atom McFarlane, 282 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: Rob Eifeld, wils Potaccio, they came together Jim Valentina to 283 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: create Image comics and one of the segments of that 284 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: was Jim Lee's Wildcats, which would become Wildstorm Comics, and 285 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: he created them with Brandon Troy and they did a 286 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: Wildcat's Alien What suh because it's always aliens, So Wildcats 287 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: aliens slash. 288 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: This is a very classical Yes slash, This is a 289 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: slash guys. When we're talking about title format. 290 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: This is actually a very wild one because you have 291 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: like now you. 292 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 4: Know there's Witch Blade, a part of the Wildcat. 293 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 7: Which Blade is not generally like the part of the Wildcats, 294 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 7: but we do get some there is some crossover here 295 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 7: between them. 296 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: This is a definitely very this is very late nineties. 297 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: This is your. 298 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: Team who would be known for this, which includes Warren 299 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: Ellis Boo, we don't talk about him anymore, but Chris Browse, 300 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: Kevin Nolan, Bill Oakley, so many different massive names at 301 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: the time, and that one is like much more classic. 302 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: They go away into space and then ship comes back 303 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: full as animovs. 304 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: Who I mean, who would ever know that that was 305 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: going to happen in an alien's book? 306 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: You you think that Wildcats is the weirdest crossover. 307 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: Incorrect, guys, because next you have Judge Dread versus the 308 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: best crossover I know, Judge Dread versus Aliens Incubus, which 309 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: is actually a sequel to Predator Judge. 310 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: Dread Wow Witch. 311 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 6: I will within a sequel crazy comic books. 312 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: I will say that something is really cool, something really 313 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: cool about it is The Predator comics have been one 314 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: of the most ongoing crossover potential series in comics. There's 315 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: even a Predator Archie Comics, which is I think just 316 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: one of the best things you can read. It's it's 317 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 2: such a joy. Yeah, it's really really fun and silly, 318 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: and they really go out of the box with them. 319 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, Judge Dread versus Aliens. 320 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: And the reason it's called Incubus is, as super producer 321 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: Aaron has pointed out, Incubus is the code name for 322 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 2: the plan that a space pirate mister Bones has. He's 323 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: bringing the xenomorphs to Megacity one to get revenge on 324 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: the judges, and honestly, who can blame him because those 325 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: judges they really suck. Obviously in this book we are given, 326 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: we're like, oh the judges, they got to stop them. 327 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: But I feel like in every other Judge Dreads or 328 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: they'll probably be like, good for the aliens, good for 329 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: mister Bones, like do your best. So we get Judge 330 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 2: Dread and Judge Santas who are infected by chest burners, 331 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: but of course they're able to, you know, get chest 332 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: bursters removed. They're aliens definitely are like slightly less deadly. 333 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: In these crossovers. I would say, because you can't kill. 334 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 2: Some of the most famous people, you can't kill Judge Dread. 335 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: In a comic the way, you can kill off every 336 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: character apart from Ripley in the original Alien. But you know, 337 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: that's why we love comics, because no one ever really dies. 338 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 4: I'm seeing here on the Google that there was a 339 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 4: follow up to this that was Predator Versus Judge Dread 340 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: versus Aliens. 341 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: Yes, you do get a lot of those we also, 342 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, I deeply remember. 343 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Would they love to do like a double crossover? 344 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: Like that's amazing? 345 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 346 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: As Aaron pointed out, the Wildcats was the first one 347 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 2: that was then followed by a sequel overkill that was Witchblade, 348 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: Aliens The Darkness and Predator. 349 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 4: Wow. 350 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: So the best thing about. 351 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: Most of these comics too, is they've all been collected 352 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: or you can find them in a backish you been 353 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 2: in your comic shop. I have collected a lot of 354 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: the big crossover comics like this because they overprinted them 355 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: and we can easily find those issues in the back 356 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: issue bins. Now, Carmen, this one is especially for you 357 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: because it's Aliens slash Vampirella. Yes, yes, yes, yes, And 358 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: this is like fantastic. You're talking about a delightful crossover. 359 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: I mean it's perfect. It's this mix of like. 360 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: Camp and fantastic, also notable because it amazing. Yeah, the 361 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: covers are super super cool. 362 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 2: This is a later one because it's like twenty fifteen, 363 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, but also written by a woman that's rare 364 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: Karina Beco, pencil by Javier Garcia Miranda and lettered by 365 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: Simon Boland. And the really cool thing about this is 366 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: this is actually one of the few alien comics that 367 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: shows other aliens than just the xenomorphs. 368 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 4: Oh yeahycle yeah. 369 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: And also just like he's having some outrageous like just 370 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: some alien adventures are occurring, and obviously this is a 371 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: I love these kind of setups because I feel like 372 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: I really relate to them as a creator. This starts 373 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: when Vamparella is just investigating a suspicious cave. Sometimes when 374 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 2: you meet they're like they're like, how are you going 375 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: to bring Vamparella in the aliens together? And you're like, 376 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: you know what, she just investigating a suspicious cave, guys, 377 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: that's just how she just she's. 378 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: Like, what's going on in that cave? Or guess what 379 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: xenomorph eggs it's giving? 380 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, fifties B horror film and yeah, I 381 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 6: want the movie. 382 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 5: It sounds delightful. 383 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm seeing that she faces off with a queen'senomorph 384 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: an issue. Yes, vibe, it looks like that's yeah. 385 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: And the really cool thing about that is like the 386 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: face Hugget impregnates Vamparella and comes out as the xenomorph queen. 387 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: So it's like to become the queen, it has to 388 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: be inside Vamparella. Also, wow. 389 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: Favorite thing that happens is she survives and then she's 390 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: like Nosferatus awakened, Babe, Now we've gotta fight. I gotta 391 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: fight with nos Faro against Aliens. They were like, not 392 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: enough is going on in this comic, so we need 393 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: to make we need to make that happen. 394 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: And this is this is the really funny thing. 395 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: So if you look at the comics that were being 396 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: published by Dark Horse in their Crossover comics line, this 397 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: is just preceded by Archie versus Predator, so vibes like, 398 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: the vibe change here is so huge, then followed by 399 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: another Predator versus Judge, Dread versus Aliens Splice and Dice Wow. 400 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 6: Wow. 401 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, you are getting like, and that's John Layman, 402 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: who's like a solid Predator an Aliens comic book writer, 403 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: it costs a lot to send all these spaceships out 404 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: to Key getting infected by xenomorphs, so please listen. 405 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: To some mats. 406 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: It's very interesting to see the kind of journey that 407 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: these comics have gone on so so far. 408 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: What do you guys think your favorite crossover is? 409 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 6: Oh Man Alien versus Archie is just so it feeds me. 410 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 6: But then apparently Killer Croc gets cross with an alien 411 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 6: at one point in the dark Horse Cannon of comic books, 412 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 6: and I would like to see. I love Killer Croc, 413 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 6: I love Alien Smash And to guest, I. 414 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: Believe that is in Batman Aliens, and that is how 415 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: we getastic. That's the one crocodile hybrid who doesn't want 416 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: to see Batman Aliens. 417 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 5: Would Carmen. 418 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Vamparella is obviously I'm gravitating towards Vamparella. 419 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 4: But when you tell me that there's a crocodile Zeenamore 420 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 4: and the Batman Aliens one, I'm really curious about that one. 421 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 422 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: So I do just feel tonally that Batman Aliens. It 423 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: just feels right. Yeah, you know, that feels like they. 424 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 6: Both had the darkness and the ridiculousness required for that 425 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 6: level of like over the top crossover. 426 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 5: I have two thoughts. 427 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 6: Okay, One, the Alien movies are often so much about motherhood. 428 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite things about of motherhood. The 429 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 5: horrors of being a woman who. 430 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 6: Is right surrounded by men one of my favorite aspects 431 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 6: of the series. Do we get any of that in 432 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 6: any of these comics? Are we exploring similar film themes 433 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 6: or is? 434 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 5: I would most of these sort of I. 435 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: Would keep say say, in like a three to four 436 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: issue crossover, you're gonna get. 437 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: Less of that directly. 438 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: But I would also say that all of the a, 439 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: especially the first Alien movie, it very much is about 440 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: like the fear of pregnancy and like the horrific idea 441 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: of like a. 442 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: Man being impregnated, Like what would that be like? What 443 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: would it be like to give birth? 444 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: And because of the nature of the chest bursters and 445 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: the face huggers, I feel that it's still there in spirit, 446 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: even if not in it. Though I would definitely love 447 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: to see a contemporary crossover all female creative team that 448 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: kind of really explored that, because that is the interesting thing. 449 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: So obviously, we've talked about Dark Horse and this extensive 450 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: comic book line that they've had since nineteen eighty eight, 451 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: so sadly rip to those comics. 452 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: You can still get them in your local comic shop, but. 453 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: The Alien comics are now under the purview of Disney 454 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: because of the Folk Disney merger, meaning that both the 455 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: Xenomorphs and the Predators are now under there, so they 456 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: are actually doing Currently there is a Wolverine Predator comic, 457 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: which I do think is a very cool ie. You 458 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: are a lot of fans we'd love to read, I'm sure. Interestingly, 459 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 2: Marvel has basically they're aware of what this can be, 460 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 2: so they have pretty much consistently published Alien comics since 461 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: they took over the line in twenty twenty one, doing 462 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: like a mini series at a time, kind of mimicking 463 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: that dark Horse model, and we do have coming up. 464 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: I feel like this is huge and could kind of 465 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: reset the tone of the Alien comics as a new era, 466 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: kind of post the dark Horse stuff, which is the 467 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen Secret Wars creative team Jonathan Hickman and Asad 468 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 2: Ribbic are tackling Aliens Versus Avengers, which is. 469 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: Going to begin this August, and that's going to be 470 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: a big mini series. 471 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: So I think that is like a huge crossover, and 472 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: it kind of could really be something that. Again, you know, 473 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: it's Hickman, so he's probably is going to be thinking 474 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: about those He's going to. 475 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 6: Be getting into Waylan Katani for sure show internal story. 476 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: He loves the backstory. And the good thing is whereas before, 477 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: I'm assuming this is one of the few positives of 478 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: the monopolies that we live under now as consumers. I'm 479 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: sure that before the dark Horse Comics likely had to 480 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: go through licensing to be able to get approvals, Whereas 481 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: now if you did want to do something about the 482 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: whalan Utani Corporation, now Disney owns it. So I'm sure 483 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: that Hickman and Nasad probably have a lot more freedom 484 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: to tell this story. So that is very exciting. I 485 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: want to ask you guys before I start, what's the 486 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: most exciting thing that you learned aside from Crocodile, because 487 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: I feel like he really. 488 00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 4: Spoke to. 489 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, like, what's the most exciting thing you learned 490 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: during this fun look back at the Alien comics history 491 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: before we begin to look at the future. 492 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 6: Oh man, I think just that there's an entire series 493 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 6: of like goofy crossovers like I knew about the Archie 494 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 6: one because that was right as I started getting into 495 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 6: comics and it was freaking everywhere, people like Gangbusters for it. 496 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 6: But I didn't know about Vampirella, and I didn't and 497 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 6: it's kind of like thrilling. I was thinking, we should 498 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 6: do an episode of either TV series and movies that 499 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 6: have thrived in comics or that have like gone like 500 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 6: orph and Black went to comics just to keep being 501 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 6: a TV series on TV anymore totally. 502 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: And then if you think. 503 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 5: About yeah, mm hmmmm. 504 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 6: And then after the Last Airbender, was like, we can't 505 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 6: be queer on TV, but we'd be gan as hell 506 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 6: in these comics, and so like, I really think there's 507 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 6: something interesting about Alien being the sort of maybe original 508 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 6: like source of that ability to like crossover vibe adapt 509 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 6: in between major cinematic projects. 510 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of yeah, I think that's really interesting. 511 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 4: I mean, this is definitely all blowing my mind, and 512 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: I would love to see a lot of these adaptations 513 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 4: made into like movies or animated features or something like that. 514 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: But I was gonna say, I feel like animated we've 515 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: seen like the Warner Brothers especially, they're so prolific with 516 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: their animated stuff, and they've done more combat, and they've 517 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: done all. 518 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: These different properties. 519 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: I think they could do a fantastic like alien versus 520 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: Batman versus Superman type situation. 521 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, Yeah, really cool. 522 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 4: But yeah, the Vampora, I mean Vamparella giving birth to 523 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: the Queen's anymore? Like come on? 524 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, come on, come and go to the 525 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: comic shop. Get it now? 526 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 6: Yeah? 527 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: Okay, So next up, we're gonna do what if, and 528 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the alien crossovers that we 529 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: would love to see in the world. Welcome to If, 530 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: where we're going to talk about the alien crossovers that 531 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: we are most excited for that don't yet exist, that 532 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: we're going to try and speak into existence. So I 533 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: will go first because I do think the biggest one 534 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: that has never happened, that goes all the way back 535 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: to the origins of these comics. 536 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: Is Star Wars versus Aliens. 537 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, both now. 538 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: And I feel like fans are eager. 539 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: To see if the Xenomorphs could like make an appearance 540 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: in the galaxy. 541 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: Far far away. 542 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: It seems like a long shot, but the circumstances are 543 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: prime for it that under all the rights are under 544 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: the same roof Marvel is currently publishing both Aliens and 545 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: Star Wars comics, alongside the mainline superheroes and a beloved 546 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: character like Bilart Valence who people love. 547 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: That would be like a poetic way to. 548 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: Join the franchises and a convenient way to blend the worlds. 549 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 2: It would also be like a full circle moment, as 550 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: Valance was created by the first creative t to ever 551 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: take on the Alien comics. So that's my pitch. I 552 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: don't think we'll ever see that in a cinematic way, 553 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: but I do think we could see it in the comics. 554 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: I feel like we could definitely see it in the comics. 555 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be amazing, even as just like a 556 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 4: side story. 557 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 5: I have absurd ideas. 558 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, Joell'll go crazy my saying My first my saying 559 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 6: pitch would be Star Trek would be very interesting, especially 560 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 6: if you look at the corporate side of it all 561 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 6: and then the scientific like morality of it all. I think, 562 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 6: just thematically and it as serious. If you wanted to 563 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 6: keep like a very serious Prometheus esque tone, you could 564 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 6: easily blend that with any with the majority of Star 565 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 6: Trek's and have like a really good storyline. But if 566 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 6: it was very ridiculous, I would say aliens times Pokemon, 567 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 6: I would die. 568 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: I would love to say animal. 569 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 4: Into a face hugger. 570 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: Also like Ash is like trying to catch those animorphs. 571 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's. 572 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 6: Pretty great, and then imagine them over time like either 573 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 6: getting like Mewtube where scientists start experimenting on them, Like 574 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 6: I feel like Whalen, we are always sort of stuck 575 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 6: out in space and like we don't get to see 576 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 6: like what are y'all doing with the alien stuff? 577 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 2: Like what? 578 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 6: And I would really like it if you know, they 579 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 6: could Professor Oaks down there being like, guys, this is 580 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 6: a bad idea and they're like, no, we could definitely 581 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 6: do it, ha ha. And then yeah, a final poblemon battle. 582 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 6: I don't know who they face, but I'm very interesting 583 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 6: by the idea and the keenness. 584 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: I love that. 585 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 4: What would what would the xenomorphs type be? 586 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: Type babe because I think, yeah, I think steal poison. 587 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to go steal poison. 588 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: I think poison. 589 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think that's definitely the right 590 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: type common. 591 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: What about you? What's your high concept pitch? 592 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 4: Can I steal the one that Aaron put. 593 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, please talk about that. 594 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: I think I'm super producer put his pitch in and 595 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: com fully expanded on it, So tell us more. 596 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 597 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 4: So I'm obsessed with the Metroid game franchise, and it's 598 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 4: actually what got me into the Alien franchise because I 599 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 4: remember distinctly as a young child playing Metroid and when 600 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 4: you die, you get the game of her She's a girl. 601 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 602 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 603 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was obsessed ever since then. 604 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: But one of the greatest moments in games. 605 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 4: Yes, and I would love to see Samos fight the Xenomorphs. 606 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, explain, explain the impact, Yeah, and the like. 607 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 4: We wouldn't have the Metroid franchise without the Alien franchise, 608 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 4: And it's all clearly like Samus is directly inspired by 609 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 4: Ellen Ripley, Ridley the Big bad Our, Big Bad Dragon, 610 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 4: space pirate, whatever you want to call him. He's named 611 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 4: after Ridley Scott and the Choso the Birdlike supernatural people 612 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 4: in the world are modeled after the engineers that we see, 613 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 4: or at least the one engineer that we see in 614 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 4: the first h Yeah. 615 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 2: Well, also, there has been like an extensive Alien video 616 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: game franchise too, so I feel like there is space 617 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: for it in multiple frames. But I would love to 618 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: see a Metroid Alien crossover. I think that's really cool. 619 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 5: Yes, are so smart. 620 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for joining me on this 621 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: wild journey through alien comics history. 622 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 4: Thanks for having us. 623 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 5: I now have a new hold list at my comic bookshop. 624 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 5: They won't be just yeah every day. 625 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 6: I'm like, I'll spend less money yeah this week, and 626 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 6: they're like try. 627 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: Also as well. 628 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 2: I just want to say, like, these comics are so 629 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: delightful to have in your hands, like they are just 630 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: a lot of them are prestige, which means like they're 631 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 2: bound differently or they're a little you know, and and 632 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: they just really feel like a great old vintage comic. 633 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 2: So I'm just like, go out, go to your comic shop, 634 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: dig through. We've basically given you a reading list here. 635 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: We can make a little list for the show notes too. 636 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you so much, guys. I appreciate you. 637 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 4: Thank you. 638 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: Tune in tomorrow borrow when Jason and I recap all 639 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: the Alien movies. We'll be discussing our favorite moments. 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