Speaker 1: From my arm Radio, Common Enemy and Tender with TV
Speaker 1: it's the hay Pal podcast, Pal, Hey Pal with Jared
Speaker 1: and oh, don't do that. Well, I was going high
Speaker 1: instead of hey, because we always do hey. No pal,
Speaker 1: hey Pal. Well I'm doing I'm also doing high because
Speaker 1: I'm just a little sad. Oh Jesus, what now? When
Speaker 1: when can we go play sports again, like in a
Speaker 1: in a league. I want to like get back out
Speaker 1: there and I need to sweat. You're concerned about sports.
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about when I can have a chicken tender? Like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? That's the last thing I'm okay. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm sensitive to your injury and the thing that's been
Speaker 1: going on for a long time now, but I would
Speaker 1: just like to get out there. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be good anymore. Dave, Like I might
Speaker 1: get on the court and I go over ten. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me, it wouldn't shock you if I
Speaker 1: go over in No, I'm not going over ten. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not going over ten. Well, that's yet to be seen.
Speaker 1: That's yet to be seen. You know. You know what's
Speaker 1: funny about that is that it's it's funny how I
Speaker 1: can say I would go over ten and that's a
Speaker 1: bad game. But like take our take our guests for example, right,
Speaker 1: like what is the equivalent of a bad game in
Speaker 1: in like the entertainment field? You know, does an actor
Speaker 1: know when they have a bad game? Does a does
Speaker 1: a rapper know when they feel like we should start
Speaker 1: off the podcast and ask ris of this? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's a good starting point. But
Speaker 1: I definitely, I definitely think with actors it's a little
Speaker 1: bit different because there's a certain level of insecurity involved,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, where it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: but they always think they have a bad game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's that's that's true. I think. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: I think with athletes it's pretty obvious, like you're telling
Speaker 1: you're telling me DiCaprio or Damon they don't watch the
Speaker 1: movie and go wow, this is this is good and
Speaker 1: I'm good. Well, you gotta understand there's a lot of
Speaker 1: well well known actor and actresses they can't even watch
Speaker 1: themselves on film. That's true, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That is true. So I get out, Well, Kyle's giving
Speaker 1: us the look I think is a ready look that's
Speaker 1: a great There we go, there we go. Um, well,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming and listening to this episode of
Speaker 1: the hay Peal Podcast. Yes, and our guests has never
Speaker 1: had a bad game in my Well we're about We're
Speaker 1: about to find out. So our next guests can do
Speaker 1: it all. From Wu Tang Clan to his directorial debut
Speaker 1: of The Man with the Iron Fist, to acting in
Speaker 1: films as such as American Gangster opposite Denzel Devo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's some that's some heavy all right, all right, wait
Speaker 1: that's not wait what well that was a that was
Speaker 1: a Denzel Matthew McConaughey. No, that's not. No, that had
Speaker 1: not that was not Denzel at all. All Right. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna continue to do TV shows like Californication. Um
Speaker 1: to our movie that we did together, Kyle and I.
Speaker 1: We did a movie with Rizza called Cutthroat City. You
Speaker 1: can go out and get it right now, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people I don't think no this Devo, but uh,
Speaker 1: our next guest. Mr. Rizza also scored movies like kill
Speaker 1: Bill one and Kill Bill two. Yes, so I would
Speaker 1: like you to put your hands together and give a
Speaker 1: nice round of applause for our next Hey pal guest,
Speaker 1: Mr Rizzaz, how are you doing? Turn whatever? What? So,
Speaker 1: just just to do some context, I'm sitting here eating
Speaker 1: uh rice practice. I love. My favorite snack is the
Speaker 1: Japanese rice practice snacks. I love it. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's something that is something I would love if I
Speaker 1: could eat. Rizz. I'm on IVY nutrition because I had
Speaker 1: a surgeon screwed me up and I haven't eaten in
Speaker 1: thirty eight days, no food, no water in thirty eight days.
Speaker 1: So you're walking around with the I V and get back.
Speaker 1: Is that in that in the liquid hits you? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just goes in through like my vein. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty wild. It's it's it's definitely a an exercise and patience.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. It's WoT you just look
Speaker 1: at it. I just wanted Kylie the sandwich right now. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope you feel better, thank you. But basically you
Speaker 1: got your mill that exactly. Yeah, yeah, I need that.
Speaker 1: We need to work on that because I know that
Speaker 1: you're you got your hand and a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of different projects. We gotta work on the flavored nutrition. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so Riz again, thank you so much for you know,
Speaker 1: taking my call and coming on the on the Haypal podcast. Um.
Speaker 1: When when an athlete has has a bad game, they
Speaker 1: know it. They can they can look at the statistics,
Speaker 1: you know, they can see they went to for eleven
Speaker 1: from the field and didn't grab a rebound or have
Speaker 1: an assist, or they struck out three times if it's
Speaker 1: baseball in your when you're making music, do you do
Speaker 1: you know after you have a song that you've made
Speaker 1: a bad song? Do you know that you've had a
Speaker 1: good game and made a good song or or is
Speaker 1: it what what is that process like after you've released
Speaker 1: it out into the world. I think it's different. It's
Speaker 1: different far as the creation of the song and the
Speaker 1: release right because every time you release a song, you
Speaker 1: actually most likely believe that it's a good song, or
Speaker 1: you don't release it right. You're always confident. But I
Speaker 1: think when you're talking about how would the artists go
Speaker 1: through the same experience as an athlete and claims of
Speaker 1: loss and bad games. That goes to the stage performance
Speaker 1: when you get on and you go out there and
Speaker 1: you are trying to win this audience over to vibe
Speaker 1: with you, dance, with you, walk with you, saying along
Speaker 1: with you, and that doesn't goes goes well. You feel
Speaker 1: that immediately, you like if you come out like I've
Speaker 1: had a day where I've done a show and um
Speaker 1: my g isnt up, you know what I mean, But
Speaker 1: I still had to do it. I get I got there,
Speaker 1: and within ten minutes the audience knew that this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a soggy night and I knew it too.
Speaker 1: And you try and you try to come up with
Speaker 1: some gag or something to make it work, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like a bad game. There's no recovery from it.
Speaker 1: You gotta go back to the locker room and prepare
Speaker 1: for that next show, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so that kind of leads me to my next question
Speaker 1: is you're you're so talented in so many different fields?
Speaker 1: Are are you watching you know, just like an athlete
Speaker 1: has to watch game film to stay present and to
Speaker 1: stay you know, up to par on what what the
Speaker 1: rest of the field is doing. Are you able to
Speaker 1: be so talented for so long and so many different
Speaker 1: fields because you're you're studying? Are you studying essentially what
Speaker 1: we call game film all the time? Yeah? What I do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I study the craft or what i'm with with with
Speaker 1: my talent, and my art is invested into. I studied
Speaker 1: that crash. And even if I get a job that
Speaker 1: i'm not, you know, I've gotten jobs where you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't great at far as technically. So if you
Speaker 1: look at me, I scored movies right, But the first
Speaker 1: time I got a movie scoring, gag, it was my
Speaker 1: first one. I had no knowledge of the technical process.
Speaker 1: I made hit records, I had platinum albums, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I produced a Grammy winning song, but
Speaker 1: I never had scored the film right. And so what
Speaker 1: I did was I went and got you know, books
Speaker 1: on lett It Bernstein, him, me, Matt CD. I got
Speaker 1: those books and then I also just looked at some
Speaker 1: of the classicals, like the the gentleman that wrote Peter
Speaker 1: and the Wolf. When I saw when I read a
Speaker 1: book on him and saw what he did, I realized that,
Speaker 1: you know, he for instance, he took every instrument, he
Speaker 1: made it a sound for a character. So if the
Speaker 1: bird flu, he had a flu. If the wolf came,
Speaker 1: he had to try bone. And so by getting that
Speaker 1: information in my head, it gave me some weapons to
Speaker 1: use when it came time to score, and by the
Speaker 1: time I got to my through the fourth movie, I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, the grass is gonna do this. This
Speaker 1: thing is gonna do this because the right So so
Speaker 1: in essence, you're you're studying all the game film. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's no way and I know you you know,
Speaker 1: we've worked together, and I knew, I knew what the
Speaker 1: answer would be, you know, is that you are studying
Speaker 1: just I mean, it's just obviously it's in a different
Speaker 1: way than game film. But of course you're gonna go
Speaker 1: into scoring your first movie and be and be insanely
Speaker 1: prepared and not just rely on on natural talents and
Speaker 1: natural gifts, but finding a way to expand those natural
Speaker 1: natural gifts and being the best at it. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is why, you know, you look at the sports player
Speaker 1: who are or even the boxing champion who wins, he's
Speaker 1: it's really the one who's the most prepared, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I was watching, uh, Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: talk about his loss to bust the Douglas, and I
Speaker 1: always this, that's one of my analogies. If anybody, if
Speaker 1: you lose when everybody thought you was gonna win, that
Speaker 1: means you got caught by a buster Douglas. Ye. So,
Speaker 1: but when Tyson caught that buster, and you you know,
Speaker 1: were all watching as kids and fans, and we couldn't
Speaker 1: believe to see our hero go down like that. But
Speaker 1: when you go back and you hear him talk about
Speaker 1: it in his documentaries, he's like, yo, I was chasting women,
Speaker 1: smoking weed, bull crap. I wasn't prepared. Took your light. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't take nothing like the Giant took jack light.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, Goliath took David light. That's true, exactly.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. Hey, Pam will be right back after
Speaker 1: working our sponsors. I know you're big on being centered.
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned your cheat earlier. I know you're
Speaker 1: a fan of meditation. I know you're a fan of
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee, who is very much about you know, that
Speaker 1: world and and and feeling that spirituality. And I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarities with Phil Jackson, who's the
Speaker 1: greatest NBA coach of all time in terms of number
Speaker 1: of championships and rings. And I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: about that, and how do you feel that that that meditation,
Speaker 1: that mentality has helped you bring so many people together?
Speaker 1: You know, you. You developed the Wu Tang clan, and
Speaker 1: you brought all those personalities and all those different guys
Speaker 1: together to reach one common goal, which was to make
Speaker 1: great art and great entertainment. So how has that process,
Speaker 1: how did that meditation help you? And who and who
Speaker 1: was your Dennis Rodman? No, I'm just kidding. You don't
Speaker 1: have to tell you very true, but no ya. I mean, now, look,
Speaker 1: if you could centralize yourself right in any fiel, so
Speaker 1: it looked at like you know, as you mentioned Philip Jackson,
Speaker 1: because he's he's one of the greatest, and he knows
Speaker 1: the game. If you don't know the game, you can't
Speaker 1: show the game. And if you ain't balance yourself enough
Speaker 1: to be able to express that, then the team is
Speaker 1: never gonna be able to relate to what you're trying
Speaker 1: to get and transmit to them. So for me, I'm
Speaker 1: an m C. I'm an artist. So when I'm with
Speaker 1: Method Man or a with Ray Kona with Ghosts, I'm
Speaker 1: also there as an MC, even though I may not
Speaker 1: be getting on that song. As a producer, I have
Speaker 1: a I gotta have an ear and I gotta have
Speaker 1: an instant of knowing, Like Okay, that's where you stop at,
Speaker 1: or that's when you come in at. And it comes
Speaker 1: from first being centered myself. Right, So if you look
Speaker 1: at uh, even a speaker that's gonna use this quick enough,
Speaker 1: a speaker has a magnet in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and that's how the sound is amplified out. And so
Speaker 1: that's that same thing for me. I looked at myself
Speaker 1: as a as a as a center of something. I
Speaker 1: think we said in one of my lyrics, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just number seven in the center of the sun.
Speaker 1: So that's a big, big imagination right there, the ideas
Speaker 1: that I'm centralized and therefore all the eight points of
Speaker 1: my son, which is my wool tank brothers, they shine
Speaker 1: all that light out, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: meditation is important. I think some of our greatest athletes boxes,
Speaker 1: you know. I had a says to meet Lennox Lewis
Speaker 1: and we talked about moss you watch, right, And one
Speaker 1: thing I noticed about him as a boxer, and you know,
Speaker 1: through other boxes, when I shook his hand his hand,
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be a grip of death,
Speaker 1: but it was actually a soft hand and I didn't
Speaker 1: understand that at first. Later on I learned because when
Speaker 1: you're boxing, when you throw the punch, that's when it
Speaker 1: tightens up I mean, or the it I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's that it's at an instantaneous and that takes training, meditates,
Speaker 1: Asian repetition, you know, if there's a science. I went
Speaker 1: to watch my man pac Man train one day. Blew
Speaker 1: my mind. If I was there for ninety minutes watching
Speaker 1: him have my son, and my son was all excided
Speaker 1: to see him, I tell you, for at least thirty
Speaker 1: forty minutes later, he says, was jumping over Yo, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, look at his cats and you
Speaker 1: and and his division, look at pac Man legs. And
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of men can took that cancer
Speaker 1: couldn't take him down. Okay, he's a train, that foundation
Speaker 1: and you and he looked at so Zen it with
Speaker 1: canvas everybody around him, but he was still in that
Speaker 1: gym by himself. That's yeah, No, that makes sense. Now
Speaker 1: along those lines in terms of you, you grew up
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, but you were always in New York. You
Speaker 1: were always drawn to kind of Eastern philosophies, in the
Speaker 1: Eastern way of thinking, and obviously there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on in the United States right now, what what could
Speaker 1: you apply in terms of those Eastern philosophies, that Eastern
Speaker 1: way of thinking to help us here now today. I mean,
Speaker 1: one thing you know that you get you know, let's
Speaker 1: just just take it to the Kung Fu movies. Right
Speaker 1: in the Kung Fu movies, there's a group of men
Speaker 1: that learns to unify for a righteous cause. And so
Speaker 1: as a country, we have to unify behind what's good
Speaker 1: for the whole. M hm, he said. I mean if
Speaker 1: it ain't good for the whole, if one dude in
Speaker 1: the room stinks, eventually the old room gonna smell. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I deal with that here. I deal with that
Speaker 1: here with Jared on a weekly basis. So that means
Speaker 1: you gotta bring it enough, pull one for everybody, guys.
Speaker 1: But to me that that's that's the gag man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like here we here, we are, yo,
Speaker 1: you know we're talking. I want to say one thing
Speaker 1: about it being an American citizen you everywhere else I go.
Speaker 1: I'm an American citizen. I don't care if I can
Speaker 1: land in Africa American Okay, you can go back to
Speaker 1: to your assets at home, whether it's uh Dublin, whether
Speaker 1: it's Italy, whether it's Amsterdam, whether it's it's real whatever,
Speaker 1: you are arriving there as an American and your experience.
Speaker 1: It's very unique to these three hundred million people. And
Speaker 1: these three hundred million people are very different from the
Speaker 1: other seven point four billion out there, y'all. And we
Speaker 1: we be a fool to subdivide ourselves even further because
Speaker 1: we are already are separated in our own way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know, have you ever had
Speaker 1: a kid chat in France? Don't? All? Right? Right? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: At the gas down the brother Yeah, yeah, you're right? Ums?
Speaker 1: When you when when a when an athlete makes it
Speaker 1: to the championship game, they win the championship, that's the
Speaker 1: only time that they say I won, right, You don't
Speaker 1: never hear athletes being like, yeah, we we we got
Speaker 1: to the chip, but we didn't win the chip. But
Speaker 1: I still want for getting to the chip. Taking that
Speaker 1: kind of kind of parallel. When you make an album,
Speaker 1: is the chip for you as an artist releasing the
Speaker 1: album out into the into the ether, or is the
Speaker 1: chip for you does the album have to actually do well?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Well, look, when I was young.
Speaker 1: Of course they had to do well by being younger. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the aspirations of being number one end up champion.
Speaker 1: You know, I had had a bad problem with that because,
Speaker 1: you know, once I figured out what to do creatively,
Speaker 1: and I produced my first album, which is called Into
Speaker 1: the thirty six Chambers, I made a platinum album and
Speaker 1: it went all to become one of the people call
Speaker 1: it one of the greatest, right, But then I did
Speaker 1: the second one double platinum, another one platinum, another one platinum.
Speaker 1: So I was like Bung Bung Bung. And so when
Speaker 1: I did Bobby Digital, it went gold, right, and I
Speaker 1: was pissed off. Why did I be pissed off at
Speaker 1: the gold album? When you go back and look at
Speaker 1: his hip hop history, most of the top mcs only
Speaker 1: go gold, you know what I mean, even some of
Speaker 1: our greatest rappers, you know, whether you're looking at um
Speaker 1: Coogi rappers, some of these great great ones that pioneers
Speaker 1: didn't even go go. But I was so according to
Speaker 1: the self sensedness of the success of the commercial success,
Speaker 1: I forgot a little bit about the natural creative success
Speaker 1: of just completing the job. Now, I first to thirty
Speaker 1: six Changers I had no success to based it on,
Speaker 1: so my goal was as the finish it and I
Speaker 1: felt like I want when it was came when it
Speaker 1: came out the first week, oh thirty thousand copies, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's been on the radio with like
Speaker 1: But then once you chase that victory, which in hip
Speaker 1: problem that was platinum albums, then you you could get
Speaker 1: poisoned by that, you know what I mean? And that's
Speaker 1: how come f who lose they never come back from loss.
Speaker 1: You had to do so for me as an artist,
Speaker 1: I've learned to lose and to come back from it.
Speaker 1: And so now as you know we were up doing
Speaker 1: that movie together cutthroa City, I know you could tell
Speaker 1: my personality. My main thing was to complete my day, right,
Speaker 1: and that's how I feel now. I feel like the
Speaker 1: best success And let's I told my children success is
Speaker 1: completion because if Picasso never finished the painting, it would
Speaker 1: never be here. And since he finished it, it could
Speaker 1: be work for a a hundred million dollars now, but he
Speaker 1: didn't know the value of it, but he did complete it.
Speaker 1: So completion to me is on an artist level. My
Speaker 1: success on no one sports is different, you know, but
Speaker 1: even if some people who wanted to marathon in New York.
Speaker 1: You know do this say it's one of the force
Speaker 1: of that line. Like y'alls the self accomplishment, don't miss
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