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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Sunday, March fifteenth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines. So a shocking

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Speaker 2: interview just dropped with Harvey Weinstein, his first ever interview

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Speaker 2: from jail as he awaits his retrial. Plus we're digging

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Speaker 2: into the relationship between David, the pop star who's now

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Speaker 2: the target of this investigation, and victim Celeste Reves Hernandez.

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Speaker 2: She was fourteen years old, so we really want to

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Speaker 2: unpack their relationship. Plus Corey Richins, the mom accused of

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Speaker 2: poisoning her husband, is in court again tomorrow. Are we

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Speaker 2: going to have a verdict this week? It's very pool.

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Speaker 2: There's also that other Ohio case where a woman is

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Speaker 2: also poisoning her beloved. Why are women doing so much poisoning?

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Speaker 2: Plus Nancy Guthrie? Where is Nancy Guthrie? There have been

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Speaker 2: some developments, but again, how have we not identified where

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Speaker 2: Nancy is? And it's just terrible. But speaking of not terrible,

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Speaker 2: I get to be here with Body Movin and Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: We have Ama Kaplan, we have Sam and Adam in

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Speaker 2: the control room. I'm Stephanie Lai Decker and I head

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Speaker 2: with every night Courtney and Body and got the whole

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Speaker 3: Ladies, Oscars Sundays, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I I I did a little peek

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Speaker 4: into the Oscars and I watched my pretend boyfriend Pedro

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Speaker 4: speak on the stage, and I was just happy to

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Speaker 4: see him. As soon as we're done here, I'm going

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Speaker 4: to turn it on. I'm going to rewatch. I want

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Speaker 4: to know everything.

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Speaker 2: I love you all the playbacks. Yeah, I like to

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Speaker 2: watch the Red Carpet. I can't deny it too.

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Speaker 3: I do too.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I listen. I'm never going to wear

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Speaker 4: clothes like that, but I like to look at people

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Speaker 4: who do.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean to know? You never know?

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Speaker 2: Come on, I never There might be an Oscars in

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Speaker 2: our future. Come on, ava, do we think no no to.

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Speaker 5: The I mean, does crime con have a red carpet?

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Speaker 5: Because I so the clue wars.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the clue, Oh my goodness. We should wear coordinating

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Speaker 2: outfits were like pink ladies jackets.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Well, someone who's against the Ladies, it appears, is Harvey Weinstein.

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Speaker 2: So he's getting this very interesting, you know, interview from

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Speaker 2: jail as he awaits his retrial. Courtney, you have a

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Speaker 2: little backstory to this, but it was pretty astounding to

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: This came out in a New Hollywood Reporter interview and

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Speaker 6: it was with Harvey Weinstein from jail as he awaits

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Speaker 6: yet another New York retrial. It's scheduled to be happening

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Speaker 6: in less than a month on April fourteenth, So corner,

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Speaker 6: right around the corner. So in this interview, Harvey Weinstein

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Speaker 6: continues to deny any and all sexual assault and he

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Speaker 6: claims that he will be proven innocent. As a reminder,

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Speaker 6: Harvey Weinstein was one of the absolute former top Hollywood

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I really did.

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Speaker 2: That was a house of cards and really there was

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Speaker 4: It's like the exact opposite, like bizarre that we're living

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Speaker 6: So far, but you guys, listen, it was a slow

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Speaker 3: So I'm coming, good point, you know, holding up.

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Speaker 6: So as a reminder, Weinstein he first was convicted in

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Speaker 6: New York back in twenty twenty, and that was on

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Speaker 6: all sorts of its conduct. Well, that conviction was overturned

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Speaker 6: a few weeks, and he's just really confident.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he seems pretty confident.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would be too, very accountable, honestly, if he

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Speaker 2: really basically just said yeah, I mean sure I made

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Speaker 4: I should say I would be very confident if my

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Speaker 4: was a split verdict. Yeah, because everything's only getting better

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Speaker 4: for me, you know, I would be pretty confident too,

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Speaker 2: And look at the climate right now. I mean there

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Speaker 2: coming forward again, very different scenarios. We're talking about, very

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Speaker 2: different case in the Epstein files. But again there doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem to be enough accountability quite yet. So I'm sure

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Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, And the lack of accountability on Weinstein's part

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Speaker 6: is very clear, you know. According to him, Yes, there

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Speaker 6: was a little bit of inappropriate behavior. But one thing

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Speaker 6: he said was did I make a pass at some

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Speaker 3: Yes? Did I ever sexually assault a woman? No?

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Speaker 6: And he further alleges that a bunch of the women

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Speaker 3: All see, they were just in it for the money.

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Speaker 4: Because some of the women that are you know that

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Speaker 4: I've accused him are very rich in their own right right,

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Speaker 4: like Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Jolie right there. They don't

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Speaker 2: By the way, that was a very big thing with

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Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow back in the day. She actually had complained

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Speaker 2: about Harvey Weinstein to Brad Pitt rather infamously. And then

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Speaker 2: Brad Pitt, who was again starting his very big iconic career,

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Speaker 2: he really went to Weinstein and basically told him to

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Speaker 6: I think I heard no, he absolutely and who knows,

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Speaker 3: My understanding Brad Pitt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not having an assertion on his greatness today.

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Speaker 3: I don't know him.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying in that circumstance, in that particular, in

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Speaker 2: And I think that's probably more common than not, so

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Speaker 6: Right, just for a two second history lesson recent history

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Speaker 6: to it. It was in October of twenty seventeen that

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Speaker 6: if you remember, Ronan Faroh did some groundbreaking you know,

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Speaker 6: revelations on this, and through that came decades of this

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Speaker 6: alleged or now convicted sexual harassment. It was by more

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Speaker 6: than eighty plus women, So that is that's a lot

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Speaker 6: to you know, say they all he successfully unsuccessfully hit

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Speaker 6: on all of them. But that again is what he's saying.

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Speaker 6: And Stephanie, you mentioned a couple of his ailments, etc.

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Speaker 6: So for his current status, seventy three year old Weinstein,

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Speaker 6: he's being held at the medical unit at Rikers Island.

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Speaker 6: He's spending twenty three hours a day in his cell

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Speaker 6: and that's all due to safety concerns. And yes, he

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Speaker 6: is suffering from diabetes, spinal stenosis as well as some

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Speaker 6: going on. That is also all separate to the decades

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Speaker 3: Up to an including rape.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, these were very different times too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, imagine today this probably wouldn't happen. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at young Ava and Eva, I feel like

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Speaker 2: they're like, oh, we have an audition. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein's hotel room. Remember the Weinsteins ran Hollywood. They

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Speaker 2: were the ones that were doing the most iconic pictures

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Speaker 3: A big break.

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Speaker 2: So if they say, oh, yeah, come to my hotel,

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Speaker 2: young lady, and you know you'll meet Harvey and this

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Speaker 2: guy answers in a robe naked, Imagine the guts of

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Speaker 2: I mean, the odds must be kind of unshakable. I

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Speaker 2: mean it sounds like he was doing this so pretty

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Speaker 3: There's no joke. Terrible place to be.

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Speaker 4: It's like one of the worst places to be, right yeah,

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Speaker 4: from sure are sharing it's one of the worst, like

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Speaker 3: Guy, precisely.

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Speaker 6: And people people have been speaking out again Rosanna Arquette

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Speaker 6: in the early nineties, he the scenario you just laid out.

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Speaker 3: Stephanie invited her to a hotel.

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Speaker 6: Room, and she rejected any claims he's made about the

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Speaker 6: assaults not happening, and she has said they happened, The

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Speaker 6: rapes happened. My account has never changed. And yeah, other

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Speaker 6: people are coming out. There's a former model, Hya Sokola

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Speaker 6: who testified in court that he assaults her when she

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Speaker 4: Wow, this is true crime. Tonight, We're on iHeartRadio. We

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Speaker 4: talked crime all the time. Right in the middle of

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Speaker 4: talking about R. V. Weinstein in this new article that

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Speaker 4: came out where he does this really kind of salacious interview.

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Speaker 4: If you want to weigh in, give us a call.

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Speaker 4: Eight eight eight three. One crime we'd love to hear

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Speaker 4: from you, Courtney, is correct me? If I in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two, he was convicted in La right, and now

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Speaker 4: that conviction was for raping an actress at a Beverly

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Speaker 4: That conviction still stands, right, it's the New York conviction

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Speaker 4: that got Is that right?

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Speaker 3: That's exactly correct.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's what. So he's still even if this trial

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Speaker 4: like they have it, and if he's you know, they

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Speaker 4: have another split and it just goes away, he's still

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Speaker 4: going to be going. He's going to go back to California,

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Speaker 4: right and serve there.

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Speaker 3: That's the assertion.

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Speaker 2: But he was saying basically, I'm going to die in

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Speaker 3: David the pop star.

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Speaker 2: So this has gotten so much coverage, and we know

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Speaker 4: And he, you know selest family. They lived in Lake

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Speaker 2: Right, My relationship has brought some criticism, you know for

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Speaker 4: And again, like Steph said, he canceled his world tour,

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Speaker 2: There has been some speculation, speculation only that this was

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Speaker 3: Maybe there may be.

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Speaker 2: Celeste lost her life and everybody panicked, and then they

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Speaker 2: And requires a level of depravity that should be off

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Speaker 4: Did you see the post that Neo made on Instagram

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Speaker 4: Now, it's interesting that not one mention of CELESTI. Right,

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Speaker 2: No matter what information you have, of course you want

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Speaker 3: Of course, you want to be high, you're run.

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Speaker 2: I thought his tweet was definitely unhinged.

438
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. Yeah.

439
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 6: Absolutely. And this guy Neo, who you guys both just reference.

440
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 6: He was an associate of David, so very tight in

441
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 6: the circle. And his arrest happened in Helena, Montana, and

442
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 6: that was actually for being a material witness from a

443
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 6: material edit witness warrant.

444
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: Exactly right. He didn't show up, he didn't want to.

445
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: You know, everyone surrounding David is fighting this grand jury thing.

446
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 3: Right.

447
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: His parents, we learned in Texas in a brother I believe,

448
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 4: are also fighting their summons to the grand jury, which

449
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: is how we kind of learned that David is officially

450
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 4: a target. In fact, the case is called the People

451
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 4: of the State of California Versus David Burt, so you know,

452
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 4: he is officially in a target. And we learned that

453
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: because in Texas, you know, in California, there's like a

454
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 4: seal with her autopsy results. Everything's very hushosh right now

455
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 4: in this case because it's an active investigation. Well, in Texas,

456
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 4: it's just posted to the docket, you know, and these

457
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 4: summons they they're asking for the parents to come testify

458
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 4: for the grand jury, and the parents are like, you're

459
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 4: violating our due process because some of the information in

460
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: these summons is redacted. And then the judge is like, sorry,

461
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 4: you're a witness. You don't really get due process when

462
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 4: you're a witness, Like, it doesn't really work that way,

463
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: So you have to go testifying for the grand jury.

464
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 4: But then the parents are like, we still don't want to.

465
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 4: So now they're appealing. They're appealing the judge's decision. Everyone

466
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: including Neo, is fighting justice for celest In my opinion,

467
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 4: I agree.

468
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 6: I mean it's shocking to me. I think that's a

469
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 6: fair statement. If you're just joining us, this is true

470
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 6: crime tonight. We're on iHeartRadio and we're talking about the

471
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 6: case of the deceased preteen runaway Seles Reevus Hernandez and

472
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 6: the singer David. He owned the car that Selest body

473
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 6: was found in back in September of twenty twenty five.

474
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 6: Always we want to hear from you. We're at eighty

475
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 6: eight three to one Crime and Sam and Adam in

476
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 6: the control room are waiting for your calls. I just

477
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 6: I wanted to go back a hot second to when

478
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 6: Celeste was actually found in because it was so unlikely

479
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 6: and as you guys laid out, the pop star David

480
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 6: was just on the press of or one or two

481
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 6: dates into his world two dates, right, But it seemed

482
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 6: so people were hearkening back because of literal videos he

483
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 6: had put out. Like he the singer, the pop star David,

484
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 6: he used to speak about a darker alter ego and

485
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 6: it was inspired by the Japanese word for pain, and

486
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 6: it's something that surfaces again and again in his art,

487
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 6: including a scene in a music video for the song

488
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 6: One More Dance, and in this video, the pop stars

489
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 6: alter ego drags aboard a body into a car trunk.

490
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 6: So at that time everything seemed so it seemed the

491
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 6: most ridiculous or like a plant, buddy.

492
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: Can we talk about that just for a moment. Yes,

493
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: So that I went and looked, and that video came

494
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: out on February sixth, okay of twenty twenty five. Now,

495
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: Celeste was found September, right, so this was, you know,

496
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 4: six months prior, all right, Now, February, this video comes

497
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: out and in the video you have to watch the video,

498
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 4: but it opens with David and he's got like this

499
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: white shirt on and there's blood everywhere. He's dragging his

500
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 4: own body, and in his own body is a very

501
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: plain looking guy. He's wearing like a hoodie. He just

502
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: looks like a normal dude, right guy, a regular guy,

503
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: the David persona. The bloody guy is dragging his own

504
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 4: body to the trunk. Very interesting. And the girl in

505
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: the video kind of looks like celest the girl that's

506
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 4: helping him, the girl that's helping him. Here's the interesting

507
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: thing though, Well, all of that's interesting to me. The

508
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: other interesting part of this is that the last known

509
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: photos that we have of Celeste are from January whior

510
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 4: to this video coming out.

511
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: So wait, let me just do the timeline. Yes, so

512
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: we're talking, So there is video before that six months prior,

513
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: so that's showing that there's an obvious relationship between selet

514
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: Reeves Hernandez at fourteen and then thirteen years old, likely

515
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: and David the pop star. That was a long steeped relationship.

516
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

517
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: Long, Well, January is a last known photo we have.

518
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 4: February the video comes out of him dragging the body

519
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: to the front the trunk of another car. Right, Celeste

520
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: has been missing this whole time. Her parents are you know,

521
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: there's missing, you know, flyers and whatnot. But the last

522
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 4: known photo that anybody has of Celesti's from January of

523
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five.

524
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 7: Yeah.

525
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: Stephen Fisher the private avest to get to release that

526
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: months ago. And then CNN just did this big I

527
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys saw it, but Stephen Fisher

528
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: went on CNN and they did this like mini documentary.

529
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: It was really good. I thought it was really really good. Yeah,

530
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: it was very well done. In Steve, if you're listening,

531
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: you did a great job. Yeah, very nice job. But yeah,

532
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: so my whole point in saying all this was Celeste

533
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 4: was very badly decomposed. Had she been in that trunk

534
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: since January? And did he make that video in February

535
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: knowing Celeste was in the trump of that car.

536
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 6: Well, the video, I don't know, Yeah, I mean, I'm

537
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 6: doing my part is wet blanket. The video came out

538
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 6: in February, so the likelihood of it true being filmed

539
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 6: production usually it takes a minute.

540
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 8: Ye.

541
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: Then maybe didn't get the idea to put her body

542
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: in the trunk of the car from production like making

543
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: the video, and you know, I don't know.

544
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: That's yeah, it seemed so ridiculous. And there were some

545
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: weird ticket items.

546
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: They had the incinerator, which is an incinerator for you know,

547
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: big amounts of burning for either trash, the kind of

548
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: thing that you would have more in an industrial environment

549
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: or maybe on a farm. A lot of you know,

550
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: hoe equipment, you know, meeting like farming equipment also found

551
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: in his Hollywood Hills home.

552
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: Odd stuff.

553
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: Yes, go ahead, but I also kind of think it's

554
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: worth pointing out when we have a few minutes left,

555
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 4: I think it's worth pointing out that it was kind

556
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: of an open secret that Celeste Revas Hernandez was missing,

557
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: and she was in the care and custody of David

558
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: because you know, dating back to January of twenty twenty four,

559
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: a year prior to the last known photo of Celeste,

560
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: people in David's like discord were like, he was like,

561
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: I have writer's block, and they were like, right about

562
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: the missing girl, celestrivas Hernandez. It was like kind of

563
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 4: an open secret, right, I mean, everybody knew, but nobody

564
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: did anything. It's kind of wild to me that even

565
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: his management team didn't say anything about this. But again,

566
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: Celeste was, you know, presenting herself as this nineteen year

567
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: old USC.

568
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: Student and David the pop star was putting the bill

569
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: for a lot of people, a lot a lot of

570
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: people were on his staff, and it just also speaks

571
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: to the power potentially of celebrity. As we were talking

572
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 2: even about with wein Stein. Sure, you know, and just

573
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: you know, somebody gets in that orbit. It all feels

574
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: so big and glamorous and exciting. Yet that's kind of

575
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: where danger happens because you're not thinking clearly and you're

576
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: outside of your own little family and your own people.

577
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: And you're kind of like just trying to make a

578
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: day to day and the extra one thousand dollars you're

579
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: getting a month from this whole celebrity situation keep you quiet, right,

580
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: keeps you basically fat and happy. I guess that's right. Well,

581
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: we're going to see what happens. We need some justice soon.

582
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: I don't know that many people are going to be

583
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: able to wait much longer for Day to get arrested.

584
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: Come on.

585
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: Fact, So, Cory Richins is this mom who we've been

586
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: covering really since day one, who has been accused of

587
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: poisoning her husband with fentanyl. And then she writes a

588
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: children's book for her three beautiful children so that they

589
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: could help grieve, and it's basically a child's book about

590
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: how to how to grieve a lost one, you know,

591
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: and somebody that you love very deeply. Turns out she

592
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: potentially may have been the reason for his death, and

593
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: this week we may have a verdict fentanyl was her

594
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: poison of choice. And it's a pretty astounding trial, the

595
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: likes of which we haven't seen in a very long time.

596
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: Optics wise, right, she is giving us stone cold nothingness.

597
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: And you see photos of her from yesteryear and she's

598
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: happy and alive and vivacious. Now Granted, she's looking at

599
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: a life sentence, so there's nothing light about that, but

600
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: she is presenting very tough, and I just have to

601
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: assume that's either optics because she's petrified, or is she

602
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: cold as ice, or.

603
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just jail life because she's been in jail

604
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: for a while now. Yeah, it could just be like,

605
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: you know, jail conditions, like you know, she's not getting

606
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: enough sunlight. Who knows, right, right, But she is giving

607
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: sort of ice queen. Wouldn't you say I was sort

608
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: of ice queen? So yeah, she's thirty five and she's

609
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 4: again she's accused of murdering her husband. He was thirty

610
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 4: eight in twenty twenty two. And you know, now we're moving.

611
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: We're in court watch right, We're basically we're going to

612
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: be in verdict watch very soon, very because on Friday

613
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: or no, yeah, last week the defense defense rested. No

614
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 4: witnesses were called zero, not even Corey, you know, and.

615
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: Go ahead, yeah, and that I have to say that

616
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 6: was such an amazing moment in court. I don't know

617
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 6: if amazing is the correct word, but uh, the attorneys

618
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 6: came back after a lunch break, the jury was not present,

619
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 6: and the judge was saying, Okay, you know, let's get

620
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 6: ready defense to present your first witness.

621
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: Now.

622
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 6: Defense leading up had said, okay, we have anywhere between

623
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 6: thirty and one hundred people who may be testifying, and

624
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 6: then it went to.

625
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: Zero zero, not even Corey and then the bit.

626
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: Of a jaw dropped moment. Yeah, everybody seemed a little

627
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: caught off guard. And again zero is not completely uncommon.

628
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: I mean we saw that with you know, the Diddy

629
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: trial for example, Like nobody really came in his defense.

630
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: It's not the defendant's job to her innocence, right, they

631
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: don't have to. And honestly, they have to prove nothing.

632
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: You know, it has to be proved against them. So

633
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: I think that's a key distinction. But all that to

634
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: be said, hearing from her as a mother, I think

635
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: it would have been very helpful because the evidence against

636
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: her is pretty damning at this point.

637
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, and you know, the prosecutors are saying

638
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 4: that there's a lot of you know, financial motives. There

639
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: was this affair she was having where she says, you know,

640
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: life would be better without him if you could just

641
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 4: come over. You know I'm paraphrasing, but you know, she's

642
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: saying all these things like she just wants to be

643
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: rid of her husband, and you know, they have text

644
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: messages indicating all these planning, and then they have the

645
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: walk the Dog letter, which is this letter they found

646
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: in her jail cell, which is like coded to her mother, right,

647
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 4: and it's instructing her brother to let the authorities know

648
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 4: that Eric, her husband, was talking about you know, all

649
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 4: these drug trips he was taking to Mexico, right, basically

650
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 4: witness tampering, right.

651
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: Throwing him under the bus, basically saying that he was,

652
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, occasionally known to get fentanyl, and maybe he

653
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: was doing some of this on the side, trying.

654
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Speaker 3: To make brother on hunting trips, some kind of a

655
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: hunting Mexico vacation.

656
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: But the problem is with some of that testimony because

657
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: again these that's not up for convo.

658
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: He's not here to defend himself, right.

659
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: However, they did have a housekeeper, and that housekeeper also

660
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: took the stand and essentially was getting cory fentanyl pills

661
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: that were very very strong. So we have the text

662
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: exchange of that the boyfriend had to take the stand.

663
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Speaker 2: I mean, this has been one of those trials where

664
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: all of the dirt is coming out of everywhere.

665
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: The amount of.

666
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: Times she tried to sign her now deceased husband's name

667
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: on you know, life insurance policies that were literally flagged

668
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: by the bank because it didn't seem like it was

669
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: making sense, and.

670
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: You know, she just signed his name.

671
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, there did seem to be some real financial

672
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: woes that she was up against.

673
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what the prosecuting prosecution is alleging. They

674
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 4: have all this evidence, and the defense is maintaining the cases,

675
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: you know, largely circumstantial and without them, you know, presenting

676
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: their side, they're kind of just being like, it's all

677
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: just circumstantial. But you know what, here's the thing in

678
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 4: true crime, many cases are just circumstantial. Not every case

679
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: has like you know, the bloody fingerprint or DNA, you know,

680
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: like hardcore forensics evidence. Largely it's circumstantial. So I think

681
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: it was a critical error on their part. The jury

682
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: should start to hear closing arguments tomorrow at eight thirty

683
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 4: in the morning, and we're going to see what happens.

684
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Speaker 4: There's been no reports on how long the closing arguments

685
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 4: are going to be, but we'll find out tomorrow. And yeah,

686
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Speaker 4: We're going to continue to talk about this, but we

687
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Speaker 4: have a talked back about it right now.

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Speaker 9: Hello, this is Alicia from Mississippi. I had a video

689
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 9: pop up on my TikTok today of the judge for

690
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 9: the Corey Richards case of when her lawyers were asking

691
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 9: him for today continuance, and I just had a laugh

692
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 9: because he looked like me when my three year old

693
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 9: has asked me the same question for the thirty first time.

694
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 9: And you just have to take a deep breath and

695
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 9: ground yourself before you lose your last marvel.

696
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: Totally, but she totally has Judge's number two, because the

697
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: judge really did seem to be over it. But remember

698
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: this is one of those trials that's been a total circus.

699
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean, really, it's been all the things that you

700
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: would think would be impossible to believe. If we put

701
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: it in a script and put it into a movie,

702
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: you'd say that's impossible, nobody would ever do that. But

703
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: the evidence is pretty much there, circumstantial or otherwise.

704
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: I'm actually surprised.

705
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: By the mounting evidenced against her. I actually was really

706
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: hoping for pure innocence on this one.

707
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 6: Well, and not in fairness, but just to balance the

708
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: other equation, the defense. What they did lay out through

709
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 6: cross even though they didn't put on any of their

710
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 6: own witnesses. You know, the way they were trying to

711
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 6: put in reasonable doubt was.

712
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 3: Gaps in the investigation.

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00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 6: What they said asking, you know, confirming where exactly did

714
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 6: the fentanyl come from, how was it administered? And some

715
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 6: inconsistencies in some Google search evidence that was presented.

716
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: How about the fact that the victim himself said on

717
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day he had a feeling that he was getting

718
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: poisoned by his wife. He said that out loud to

719
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: a friend. That is not a normal thing to assume

720
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: that you're being poisoned by the way, trust your gut.

721
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: People have a sixth sense on this. I really feel

722
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: for him. He was probably very very afraid. Remember he

723
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: had taken his life insurance policy the house basically the

724
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 2: trust that he had as his family trust. He basically

725
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: put his sister in charge of it and not his

726
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: wife because he was worried that he was going to

727
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: get slipped a little mickey, which turned out to be

728
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: this case.

729
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: How do you deny?

730
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: What about and what about the housekeeper who said that

731
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: she's the one who gave fantasts to Corey. You know,

732
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 4: I mean I think the housekeeper's testimony is crazy ritical

733
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: in this. You know, I don't know what's going to happen, though,

734
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm always very interested to see how what

735
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 4: the jury is going to believe, Right, what do you think?

736
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: Do you guys think it's going to be a guilty verdict?

737
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 3: I do?

738
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: Are we going to bet are we going to wait

739
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 4: for let's wait for closing?

740
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: And then made it though, because again I'm not jumping

741
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: in to be glood. I know there's no mother alive

742
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: that I think would be capable of this. I'm always

743
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: so shocked, but it does seem like the odds are

744
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: against her in this moment.

745
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: Nobody else is also being brought to the table.

746
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 6: All well, they're not, because really that's right what the

747
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 6: defense is hedging there. Bet On is questioning, putting that

748
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 6: in the juror's mind, could Eric the victim have done

749
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 6: this to himself?

750
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 4: So that's the bet situation right.

751
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: Anyway, if you're just joining us, this is true crime.

752
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 6: Tonight, we're on Trial Watch discussing what's going to be

753
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 6: coming up next week, and we just finished talking about

754
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 6: Corey Richins, who is the mother who is accused of

755
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 6: killing her husband with fentanyl. Closing arguments are coming up.

756
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 6: We'd love to hear from you eighty to eight three

757
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 6: one crime or leave us a talkback if you go

758
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 6: to the iHeartRadio app up a right hand corner, there's

759
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 6: a little microphone, leave a voice memo, and then you

760
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 6: are on the show. I would like to move on

761
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 6: to another Utah case that involves poisoning, and this is

762
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 6: Megan Sunwall. So this case is a little bit complicated.

763
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 6: But Megan Sunwall, she's a forty eight year old registered

764
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 6: She is being charged with abrogated aggravated murder as well

765
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 6: as obstruction of justice after investigators alleged that she assisted

766
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 6: her friend, the now destased Casey Terry, in ending her life,

767
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 6: and the motive allegedly is to gain the rumored one

768
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 6: point five million dollar insurance payout that she was the

769
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 6: beneficiary of.

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Speaker 3: So that is what the actors.

771
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Speaker 4: One's kind of complicated, the right.

772
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: This one's complicated, But the poison part is a common

773
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: denominator to.

774
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: The previous case.

775
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: I would agree, by the way, fine unfun fact, you

776
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: know women are seven times more likely to poison than

777
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: men are.

778
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's it's such a hands off approach, right women,

779
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 4: you know, we generally are more gentle and you know whatever.

780
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 4: This is just something that they take, they drink, they whatever,

781
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: and you just walk away.

782
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: You don't have to do it or watch like it's

783
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: even more messy, Like I get it, because it's like less.

784
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: I mean again, we're talking about something incredibly horrible that

785
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: nobody could imagine. So we're not choosing choose your own

786
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: Offenure murder edition. But all that to be said, yes,

787
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: you know you're not getting your hands dirty air quotes.

788
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: But the Cory Richards is being accused of sitting there

789
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: and kind of just watching it go down. Can you

790
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: imagine what kind of a nut you have to be

791
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: to be able to pull that off.

792
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: In the complete opposite part side of things, Casey Terry,

793
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 4: the victim in this case, she was telling everyone, and

794
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 4: I don't know if she was under the impression herself too,

795
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: that she was very sick and she wanted to end

796
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: it all. And so the way this is being presented

797
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: in this case in Utah is that this is some

798
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: kind of mercy killing. But guess what, here's the thing,

799
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 4: Casey was never sick. She's perfectly healthy. That's right, so

800
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: the deceased victim.

801
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 6: And this is something that the defense, even they laid

802
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 6: out in their opening arguments. For four years, she presented,

803
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 6: to your point body as very very ill. She didn't

804
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 6: appear to think she was ill because she was manufacturing.

805
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 6: She was making believe with text messages that it was

806
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 6: other doctors and stuff, so she could show these messages

807
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 6: to people in her circle, including the accused, her good

808
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: friend Megan Sunwal Now on trial.

809
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 3: Pause for one second.

810
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: So she's texting with a pretend person, So she's faking

811
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: her own texts correct, So she has like a second phone,

812
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: or she's having a she stole another phone.

813
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: Who knows. There's a lot of work already. I'm already

814
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: exhausted just by all of this.

815
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Speaker 4: The way that this was my understanding of the way

816
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 4: that this was done in court, and you can correct

817
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong, is that she had a port

818
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: and there was an insulin overdose. The insulin was I

819
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: guess injected into the port. And I don't know if

820
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: you guys knew what ports are, but it's a it's

821
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 4: a it's a pretty I don't know if it's an

822
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: invasive surgery. But I mean it's a surgery to get

823
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: a port installed, because that's it's It's basically like my

824
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: mom had one for her chemo so that she didn't

825
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: have to keep getting like needles in her hands. They

826
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 4: would just stick it to the port and she would

827
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Speaker 4: go about her business. So, I mean, that's a pretty

828
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: big deal. How did she get this port if she

829
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: wasn't sick. I'm very confused about it. I'm hoping we

830
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: learn about that very soon.

831
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Speaker 6: I'm sure that will come Yeah, I'm sure it'll come

832
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 6: out and trial how that happened. But further with the port,

833
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 6: which she would do the you know, the victim allegedly

834
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 6: she she got saline to make it look like she

835
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 6: was having a chemotherapy trip so people would view her

836
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 6: as very sick.

837
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Speaker 4: Are you serious?

838
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: So, and it's again it's very complicated.

839
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Speaker 6: So now what the jurors, which I do not envy them,

840
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 6: they have to decide is this a case of murder?

841
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 6: Remember the accused did gain well, this would be negated,

842
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 6: but one point five million dollars in insurance money upon

843
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 6: the death or was it assisted suicide? Because you know,

844
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 6: she was under the impression that her friend was terminally

845
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 6: ill for years or something else.

846
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: So it's it's really.

847
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 4: So Megan the defendant here, she's basically saying this was

848
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: like a mercy assisted suicide situation. My friend was sick

849
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: for four years the whole time I knew her. We

850
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: were very close. I happened to be her beneficiary. But

851
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: this was like mutually beneficial. Right was mutually beneficial, and

852
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: I was just doing it. Here's the thing.

853
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: You can't do that.

854
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 4: Casey wasn't in an invalid she could have done it herself.

855
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Why, I don't guess that's not okay.

856
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: There's places in all to do assisted living or die

857
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: that that is an option in other countries, but it's

858
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: not in this one, in this circumstance, And.

859
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: That wasn't wild not Newgan. You can, you.

860
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 4: Can, but it's a very like it's very hard to

861
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: get like approved for it. Like it's you know, listen,

862
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: it's a touchy subject and it's definitely not one that

863
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 4: they approve of in Utah, right, It's just not something

864
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 4: that goes down there. So, oh interesting, I'm definitely interested

865
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: in this one. Yeah, Well, coming up at the top

866
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Speaker 4: of the hour, the latest in the search for eighty

867
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Speaker 4: four year old Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 3: And guess what.

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870
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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong. You might recognize her voice because she's

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Speaker 2: Her hard work and the hard work of others really

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Speaker 2: and really moving the justice ball forward. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: and you know, again not because we love true crime,

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Speaker 2: So you know, everybody has an opinion about it, So

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Speaker 2: if you want to add yours, please do any of

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Speaker 2: them count eight eight eight three one crime. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the three of us have been doing this now for

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Speaker 2: a bit. It's been a coffee clutch at night, our

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Speaker 4: I kind of feel like Charlie's Angels. Yeah, I'm Lonette,

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Speaker 4: I'm the brunette, Courtney's the redhead, and Stephanie's the blonde.

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Speaker 4: And normally we have ta Ha who's our producer here

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Speaker 4: he's not here tonight, but we have Taha and he's Charlie.

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Speaker 3: That's it. I feel it's yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I want the jacket and Taha, we miss you, and

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Speaker 2: we have Ava filling in for you on the night.

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Speaker 2: She's normally Ava is here during the day. She's doing

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Speaker 2: you know, Taha had to take the night off. So

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Speaker 2: you know, we're all running the asylum right now, which

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Speaker 2: is which pretty fun?

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Speaker 3: Do you guys feel drunk with power or what?

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Speaker 4: I do feel a little drunk with power. I'm actually

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Speaker 4: running a studio tonight, little double duty.

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Speaker 2: And we know, listen, there's so much going on in

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Speaker 2: the world right now. We are we're in it with you,

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Speaker 2: and we just want to sort of have a place

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Speaker 2: You want to share your tips, share your tricks, if

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Speaker 2: have to only be true crime specific, we'd love to

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Speaker 2: hear from you. Welcome to our kitchen table. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: so this you know, well, for starters, we have to

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Speaker 2: cover a couple of things. One, what happen with Melissa

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Speaker 2: Gilbert's husband.

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Speaker 4: She's crazy, I'd say that what is happening. It's a

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Speaker 4: little loon. Do you guys watch her Instagram?

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Speaker 2: I have been watching it so in case you're just

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Speaker 2: playing along. So her husband's going on, go ahead, court,

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Speaker 2: why don't you give us a little backstory and then

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Speaker 2: we can kind.

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Speaker 6: Of Yeah, so this this just caught our attention during

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Speaker 6: the a little update during the commercial break, so back on.

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Speaker 3: In the middle of January.

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Speaker 6: January thirteenth, Timothy Busfield was arrested on suspicion of child

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Speaker 6: sex abuse. Now, Timothy Busfield, he's an actor. He's a director.

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Speaker 6: You may know him from thirty something back in the

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Speaker 6: day or The West Wing more recently.

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Speaker 2: He has gray hair now in his headshot, but normally

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Speaker 2: he has that bright red hair. And frankly, he was

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Speaker 2: the actor who was like America's sweetheart, like he has

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Speaker 2: like the character that always had such integrity. If you

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Speaker 2: saw his picture from yester year, you would recognize him

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Speaker 2: immediately if you don't know who he is.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and he was.

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Speaker 6: Busfield was indicted by a grand jury on four accounts

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Speaker 6: of criminal sexual misconduct of a child.

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Speaker 3: So that's happening.

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Speaker 6: A trial has been set for May twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 6: and the circumstances surrounding that it was two twin boys.

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Speaker 6: I want to say they were approximately eight years old

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Speaker 6: at the time. They were working with Timothy Bussfield as

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Speaker 6: a director, and that sexual abuse occurred. Well, more accounts

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Speaker 6: have come out, and also the fact of previously taken

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Speaker 6: care of outside of the court's accounts came out, such

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Speaker 6: as there was one woman, a young actress, who it

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Speaker 6: became known that Busfield was being inappropriate with her sexually,

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Speaker 6: and they decided, they being the girl's family, that as

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Speaker 6: long as Busfield got some therapy, they wouldn't pursue things criminally.

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Speaker 3: So there's a long history.

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Speaker 6: Well, just recently there's been now at least four women

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Speaker 6: who have told police that bus Field groped their breasts

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Speaker 6: and genitals. And this goes anywhere back to nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now, just now, in Timothy Busfail's defense, you know, he

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Speaker 2: claims his innocence first and foremost right and he says

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Speaker 2: all of this is untrue. By the way, his wife

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Speaker 2: is Melissa Gilbert. You'll remember she's half Pint from the

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Speaker 2: beloved show Laura House on the Prairie Laura Ingalls who

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Speaker 2: we love, and she went on to do very important things,

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Speaker 2: and she was heading up the sag after a gild

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Speaker 2: at one point I believe she was the president. You know,

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Speaker 2: she's a beloved actress period the end. So imagine your

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Speaker 2: husband is being accused of something so horrible. Now, Timothy

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Speaker 2: right before going into the New Mexico jail to turn

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Speaker 2: himself in, Remember he did that long road trip. He

983
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Speaker 2: could have flown there, but said he oddly drove for

984
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Speaker 2: Marshalls were looking exactly. There was literally like a US

985
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Speaker 2: marsh Manhunt manhunt happening for Timothy Bussfield. Now he claims

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Speaker 2: his innocence, and he claims that the young children and

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Speaker 2: the twins that he was directing in a show, that

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Speaker 2: he was being bamboozled by the parents and that they

989
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Speaker 2: were doing a money grab because allegedly they had also

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Speaker 2: filed a suit for financial gain against somebody else in

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Speaker 2: their past. So that was his dispute to that winning situation.

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Speaker 2: But then all these other suits started coming up. Yes, Eva,

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Speaker 2: you have a question in this.

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Speaker 5: I just want to say, it's producer Ava here and

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Speaker 5: we got this talkback live from KFI tonight that I

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Speaker 5: thought was actually pretty relevant to this conversation that I'd

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Speaker 5: love to go to from someone who's listening from LA

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Speaker 5: right now, can we go to that? Do it?

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Speaker 8: I say, Let Harvey Weinstein rot in jail and all

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Speaker 8: of his health conditions are from his choices and from

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Speaker 8: his karma. So he's got it coming, and it's a

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Speaker 8: good wake up call for all the other people that

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Speaker 8: are doing the same thing, whether it's in the business

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Speaker 8: world or Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Nice. I couldn't agree more. By the way, this is,

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Speaker 2: we talk about so many terrible things here somehow, and

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Speaker 2: it seems like we're talking about so many male sexual

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Speaker 2: predators and like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've men, and it is so not the case.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the bubble in the world that I live in,

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Speaker 2: I know the greatest men that would never stand for this,

1012
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Speaker 2: that would stand up to anybody who was putting down

1013
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Speaker 2: a woman or mistreating them.

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Speaker 3: So this is pretty astounding stuff.

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Speaker 4: All right, But give me just gossip for just a moment.

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Speaker 4: Yes me, Now, all this is happening, All this is happening.

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Speaker 4: I'm dying to talk about this. All this is happening.

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Speaker 4: Her husband is, you know, been indicted, right, she They

1019
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Speaker 4: go on. They go on to say they'd like to cuddle.

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Speaker 4: They don't think they have this very vanilla sex like right, Well.

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Speaker 2: He under testimony under the grand jury, they were asking

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Speaker 2: some personal questions. Can you imagine how I'm they're asking

1023
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Speaker 2: him under oath? And I believe her too about their

1024
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Speaker 2: sexual relationship. She wrote a likugh and like they like okay.

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Speaker 4: So meanwhile, all this is happening, She's making like devil

1026
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Speaker 4: leggs and wearing prairie garb and talking in a baby

1027
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Speaker 4: voice on Instagram. It's all very weird to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, she has like a business or a guess her

1029
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Speaker 2: Instagram is like a modern Prairie. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: she sells things there, but she seems to be baking

1031
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Speaker 2: a lot of things and cooking and.

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Speaker 4: Doing talking like a baby voice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's very weird of a baby talker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she does little.

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Speaker 4: She hasn't done anything wrong, right, this is no you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying she did anything wrong. She's not involved,

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Speaker 4: she's not been accused of participating in this harassment or

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Speaker 4: this abuse. But it's just a little creepy to me

1039
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Speaker 4: that she's talking in this baby voice.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's all I'm gonna say. That's all I'm gonna say

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you're just joining us, we're talking

1044
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Speaker 2: about Timothy Bussfield, who was arrested on some sexual allegations,

1045
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Speaker 2: and he's married Melissa Gilbert, who is an actress that

1046
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Speaker 2: we all love, and we're just sort of unpacking kind

1047
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Speaker 2: of the timeliness of if your partner has been accused

1048
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Speaker 2: of something very terrible, which clearly he has. Let's assume

1049
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Speaker 2: he's innocent of all of these charges for the sake

1050
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Speaker 2: of this conversation, and let's assume Melissa knows that her

1051
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Speaker 2: husband is innocent of all of these charges. But still

1052
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Speaker 2: there's still pretty serious stuff, right, These are allegations.

1053
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Speaker 3: It's all very icky. Would you still.

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Speaker 2: Present on social media, you know, making deviled eggs and

1055
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Speaker 2: you know, baking biscuits and you know, having your prairie life.

1056
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Speaker 2: Should life still go on? Or should you just quiet

1057
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Speaker 2: it a little bit? And you know, understand the room.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, if my my spouse was

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Speaker 4: indicted for harming children sexually, I wouldn't be talking in

1061
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Speaker 4: a baby voice on that. That is fair, okay? Is it's

1062
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Speaker 4: very weird, like this is what my husban's attracted to.

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Speaker 4: This baby Wold. It just freaked me out.

1064
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Speaker 3: A little bit. I don't know, because it's a child.

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Speaker 3: You were talking about children.

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Speaker 4: It's weird interestingly.

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Speaker 3: Too, just to add to that very be oh.

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Speaker 2: This is actually something that prior to this allegation, Melissa

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Speaker 2: Gilbert herself as an actress, came out and basically did

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Speaker 2: an open letter basically saying how inappropriate it was for

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Speaker 2: her on set on Little House in the Prairie. If

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Speaker 2: you guys remember that show, it was set back in

1073
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Speaker 2: olden times and Laura Ingalls, the young star of the show,

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Speaker 2: had a boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: Alfonso. Was that his name? Alfonso? I think that's right?

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Speaker 2: Actually, I mean, do I get a two thumbs up

1077
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Speaker 2: for remember? I think you do so Alfonso. I believe

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Speaker 2: he worked at the mill with her dad, and he

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Speaker 2: was the actor was much older than she was at

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Speaker 2: the time that you.

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Speaker 5: Remember Alfonso worked at the mill. Like you really had

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Speaker 5: that just on the tip of your tongue. The boyfriend,

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Speaker 5: Alfonso worked at the mill. And that's so funny.

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Speaker 2: I was raised by and they would never let me

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Speaker 2: watch Little House in the Prairies, So you know, every

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00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: second is like burned into when they.

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Speaker 3: Tumble down the hill. They're so cute, little Carrie.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, so here she is now years later, and

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Speaker 2: she is talking in a bit of a baby voice,

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00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: no question. But should she just life goes on like

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00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: she hasn't done anything wrong, she believes her husband is innocent.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't she continue to keep her face out there? Or

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: is that just bad taste?

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Speaker 4: I mean that's a good point. I just think it's weird,

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00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 4: her little baby voice. I'm just weird.

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00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I think in this

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: instance it's not.

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Speaker 6: I think it would be maybe a little bit different

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Speaker 6: if we're talking about someone who is supporting their many

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00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 6: children on a small income and has to work. But

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00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 6: you know, I don't believe money to be I don't

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00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 6: know their finances. I can't imagine money is that big

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 6: a problem that without the monies from Instagram.

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00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: Thinks for her. But see, yeah, I'm pulling her up

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00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 6: I would I would personally lock it up because it

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00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 6: seems very strange while your husband is indicted on these

1108
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 6: things to be literally dancing around and it's tone off.

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: It's toned off exactly right.

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00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 4: It's tone off, and it kind of makes me think

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00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 4: that this person is a crazy person because the kind

1112
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 4: of content she creeps me. She makes. She wears these

1113
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: prairie outfits, she bakes in the kitchen. It's all very wholesome,

1114
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: and she talks in this baby voice. Meanwhile her husband

1115
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 4: is being charged with sexually abusing children. Like this is

1116
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: very serious, and the content that she makes is not

1117
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: like serious.

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Speaker 2: It's just like if life's got you down, you know,

1119
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: you just you know, pick the pot made.

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Speaker 4: A double leg and everything's don gonna be okay, let's

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Speaker 4: decorate my bathroom. I don't know, it's just weird to me. Yeah,

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: I totally, It's not something I would.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: It bums me out to say that because I love her.

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Speaker 3: And I do too actor so much.

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Speaker 2: Whoever, her man is sure need to talk to her, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or somebody just like kind of take over for a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 3: But I get it that legal bills must be a

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Speaker 3: lot at this point.

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01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I mean it's going to be a lot.

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Speaker 3: Should we grab a talk back? Let's do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Hello, my name is shell No. I live here in Atlanta, Georgia,

1134
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 7: and I am a true craft fanatic and I will

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Speaker 7: listen to you guys every day. Love you guys, but

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Speaker 7: also part of the LGBT community. But I wanted to

1137
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Speaker 7: see if you guys would touch on some of the

1138
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Speaker 7: cases here what's going on in Georgia with the you know,

1139
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 7: black youth that's being found in trees. And then also

1140
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Speaker 7: Kennif Johnson case. I haven't heard you guys talk about it,

1141
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 7: but I wanted to put touch on that Kenneth Johnck

1142
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 7: and the high school young man it was found rolled

1143
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 7: up in the mat. I really appreciate you guys, love

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 7: you and here to talk to.

1145
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 3: You, so listen.

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 4: I love you too, and welcome, Welcome to the show.

1147
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 4: And yeah, Kendrick Johnson, AVA and I both follow this

1148
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 4: case and it's a case that's just horrificrific, horrific. This

1149
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 4: teenage black boy was found rolled up in a gym

1150
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 4: matt in a high school. And it's been thirteen years,

1151
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 4: I think it's it's been over a decade that this happened.

1152
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 4: And the official, the official story is that he fell

1153
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 4: in the mat. He fell in the mat while it

1154
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 4: was rolled up and leaned up against the wall. He

1155
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 4: was like getting shoes from the bleachers and he fell listen.

1156
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 4: A lot of things don't add up, and there's been

1157
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 4: three different autopsies with different results. It's very very interesting

1158
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: in Ava. I know you had a thought on it.

1159
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 4: What you said that you had something that you wanted

1160
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: to say. What was it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just when I was living in Florida, I drove

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 5: up to Georgia to go to a protest hosted by

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 5: the family to kind of demand law enforcement to reopen

1164
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,959
Speaker 5: this case. This was probably in twenty twenty or twenty

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01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 5: twenty one. There was just like a group of people

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01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 5: that were like, we're gonna go, and I drove up

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01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 5: and it was a really powerful rally at I think

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Speaker 5: it was the Georgia the town hall in Valdosta, which

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01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 5: is where the family lives at Valda. It was a

1170
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 5: pretty scary case because oh there were everyone had guns.

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01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 5: It was I had just moved down from the north

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01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 5: and everyone at the protests had machine guns.

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Speaker 3: And I'm really passionate about.

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Speaker 4: We should unpack that though. For sure, it's a very

1175
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: interesting case and it's very active on social media. It

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01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 4: gets a lot of attention. We should definitely unpack that,

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Speaker 4: but stick around. We have a lot more coming up.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get to some of your calls and

1179
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 4: cover some more cases. Keep it right here, True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Happy oscars everyone. We hope

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: you enjoyed or are currently enjoying. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

1183
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 2: with dancing and Courtney Armstrong and of course body movement

1184
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: as well. We have Ava, Sam and Adam in the

1185
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: controller room waiting for your call.

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Speaker 3: Eight eight eight three one crime. So, Nancy Guthrie, by

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Speaker 3: the way, if you hear.

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01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: Like rumbling in the background, I know La is having

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01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: some heat. And in my neck of the woods there

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01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: are some tornado watch ish happening.

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Speaker 3: It's a warning, not a watch.

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01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: But if you start hearing you get weird, or if

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: an alarm goes off, then Ava, you're up and you

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 2: guys will take it from there.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be fine. Exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, woo boy, Nancy Guthrie, how has it been as

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Speaker 2: long as it has been and there are no real

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Speaker 2: actionable steps?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: We've been what like six weeks since exactly so, for

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Speaker 4: those who aren't aware, Nancy Guthrie, she's eighty four years old.

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Speaker 4: She lives in Tucson, and she's the mother of Today's

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Speaker 4: Show host Savannah Guthrie, and she was abducted from her home.

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Speaker 4: The police believe in the early morning hours of February

1205
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 4: first authorities say that she was abduct did and you know,

1206
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 4: the FBI has come in. All the local investigators are

1207
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 4: examining security footage. They've got all this digital evidence. They're

1208
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 4: looking at potential motives. The case remains unsolved with really

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 4: not much coming out of the sheriff's office. But the

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01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: sheriff's office did do I just kind of wanted to

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Speaker 4: touch on this briefly. The sheriff's office did do a

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Speaker 4: interview with ABC News and here's what he said. The

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01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 4: Pima County Sheriff's office was asked if he thinks the

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Speaker 4: Nancy Guthrie suspect could strike again, and he responded absolutely

1215
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 4: in a new interview. Right, he went on to say,

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01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 4: they believe it was targeted, but they're not one hundred

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01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 4: percent sure of that. So here's my I have issues

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Speaker 4: with that statement. Number one, how can it be targeted?

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 4: And also it could happen again, because targeted crimes usually

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 4: don't happen more than once, Right, I'm getting the impression

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01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 4: from the Sheriff's office that they don't they don't have

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 4: any idea what's happened. They we don't don't have any

1223
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 4: idea what's happened.

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01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: So iteemes like this sheriff is pulling out straws a

1225
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: little bit because on the one hand, yes, they were

1226
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: asking for so much help from the from me, you know,

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01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: from the world. Frankly, you know, we saw very high

1228
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: profile Even our president, you know, was nice enough to

1229
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: weigh in and say, like, hopefully we're going to see

1230
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: something really actionable, and that was weeks ago. I mean, honestly,

1231
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 2: remember the ransom notes, Like all of this has hit

1232
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: a serious dead end. How is a crime like this

1233
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: happening in these days? We have ring cameras, they had

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01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: the nest footage, they found new footage. They have a

1235
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: guy and you know his outfit, and they have the gun.

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01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: They have so much evidence. It's shocking to me that

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 2: this hasn't hasn't ended with a successful return of her home.

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01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 4: Nothing. Now, they do say that they think they're closer.

1239
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 4: Right last week they said that they think they're closer.

1240
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 4: But I don't think they I don't think they're closer

1241
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: at all. You know, the FBI put up all those billboards.

1242
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 4: There's billboards in Texas, there's billboards in California. You know,

1243
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 4: they're they're all over the place. They're not really targeting

1244
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 4: a specific area, well except for the Southwest, I should say,

1245
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 4: you know, and.

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Speaker 6: I wonder what the prompt was all these many, many

1247
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 6: many weeks later with the billboards specifically, I think they've.

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Speaker 4: Been up for a minute. I think they've been I

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Speaker 4: do the f No, it's okay, Clear Channel is my understanding,

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Speaker 4: has sponsored the digital billboards in certain areas, and the

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 4: FBI is basically putting them up. But you know, to

1252
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Speaker 4: your point stuff, you know, the government, the federal government

1253
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: has really kind of responded in a way that I

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Speaker 4: really haven't seen in maybe my lifetime for a missing person.

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Speaker 4: It's very very interesting. And then you know, I just

1256
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 4: found that statement like, yeah, this we we believe this

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01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: is targeted, but we're not sure. But also yeah it

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01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 4: could would they could strike again. It just tells me

1259
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 4: so many things, and it tells me they don't have anything.

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01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 4: They don't know, they don't they changed their theory day

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Speaker 4: to day. They've got these billboards still running by the way.

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Speaker 4: One was just photographed in Westlake in California. So or

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Speaker 4: I just don't believe that they know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: I really don't. Anyway, that's the update on Nancy. There's

1265
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 4: not much Unfortunately. Hopefully we'll be able to break in

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Speaker 4: one day and be like they found her. You know,

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Speaker 4: she's fine. Hopefully, but after six weeks I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So we will keep covering and we'll provide updates as

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Speaker 6: they come. In the meantime, I wanted to speak briefly

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Speaker 6: about Redmond O'Neill.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 6: He's the forty one year old son of the now

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Speaker 6: deceased actress Farah Fawcett and actor Ryan O'Neill.

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Speaker 3: Oholl.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, Redmond O'Neill appeared in court last week. He

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Speaker 6: had deble horned tattoos on his forehead for a visual

1278
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 6: and O'Neill faces attempted murder and other charges, all stemming

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01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 6: from a twenty eighteen Los Angeles crime spree. Now he

1280
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 6: listen not excusing anything on anyone, but we do know

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Speaker 6: Redmond O'Neil he grew up amid a really tumultuous parental situation.

1282
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 6: It later led to drug addiction, multiple arrests, and the

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Speaker 6: incident that he now will be on trial for is

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Speaker 6: he allegedly stabbed two men and robbed a convenience store.

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Speaker 6: But all these years he has been mentally incompetent to

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Speaker 6: stand trial.

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Speaker 3: So that's eight years. Wow. So that's why a lot

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Speaker 3: of years. Yep. So that's why it's just happening now.

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Speaker 4: Is he Is he like a uh, documented history with

1290
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Speaker 4: mental illness? Is he like Rob Reinerson.

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Speaker 3: Is he?

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01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's enough nothing that I've that I've read

1293
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Speaker 6: thus far. That's it says, Hey, this is a particular

1294
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Speaker 6: thing that O'Neill was diagnosed with, but enough to be

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Speaker 6: deemed incompetent to stand trial. I mean, that's that's not

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Speaker 6: something there very hard, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 6: don't give that out.

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Speaker 4: That happens after after an evaluation, in an extensive one

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Speaker 4: because delaying trial, you know, obviously is we have the

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Speaker 4: right to a speedy trial in the United States, so

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Speaker 4: you know, for that to be delayed, it must be

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Speaker 4: a significant mental impairment.

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Speaker 5: I'm guessing guessing he's been in and out of rehab

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Speaker 5: since I think two thousand and four was his first

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Speaker 5: s rehab. So I think, if not specific like mental

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Speaker 5: illness diagnoses, his struggle with addiction and substance abuse has

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Speaker 5: a very very long docum ment in history.

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Speaker 3: What a bummer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, his parents were so beloved. It just goes

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Speaker 2: to show, really, all the money in the world, all

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Speaker 2: the success in the world, really can't fix some of

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Speaker 2: the same stuff as the rest of us Normanies have

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Speaker 2: to deal with, right, I mean, addiction can wreck a family.

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Speaker 2: But boy, this seems to be a whole other level.

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Speaker 3: And it really does.

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Speaker 6: I mean Redmond O'Neill, when he was six years old

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Speaker 6: he threatened self harm with a butcher's knife.

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Speaker 3: So something was running deep within him. That was very dark.

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Speaker 4: That's so sad.

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Speaker 3: That said, that's the backdrop the crime.

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Speaker 6: Briefly, so again, this was in twenty eighteen, and it

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Speaker 6: was attempted murder, assault with the deadly weapon, robbery, criminal threats,

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Speaker 6: brandishing a knife, as well as battery. One of the

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Speaker 6: people who O'Neill allegedly stabbed one of the two said

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Speaker 6: that he plunged a knife three and a half inches

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Speaker 6: into my brain as well as cutting this man's throat

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Speaker 6: along the crowded artery.

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Speaker 3: So the crimes are.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, and he survived.

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Speaker 3: Wow, he survived. Yeah, Oh, that's exactly right. Wow.

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Speaker 6: And he's been all of these years, he has been

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Speaker 6: at the Patent State Hospital. He's been under a conservator

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Speaker 6: by a woman named Mela Murphy who was also his godmother.

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Speaker 6: And what she said was that he's now been drug

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Speaker 6: free and a model patient for five years and he

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Speaker 6: finally got the proper mental health diagnoses and medication.

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Speaker 3: So we of course will.

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Speaker 6: Be following the trial as it comes to bear. He

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Speaker 6: has pled not guilty.

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Speaker 3: Such a huge bummer too.

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Speaker 2: Imagine, like you know, if you have something happening that

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Speaker 2: you can't control, typically that's when you self medicate. Right,

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Speaker 2: So if there's some mental illness or something going on

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Speaker 2: with him, even such young boy, and now you're self medicating,

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Speaker 2: and now they finally figure it out and get it right,

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Speaker 2: but it's too late, you know, the crimes you got

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Speaker 2: to do the time.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 6: So tragic, yeah, it is. And again we'll follow up

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Speaker 6: if you're just joining us. This is true crime. Tonight,

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Speaker 6: we were discussing Redmond O'Neill's case. He's the son of

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Speaker 6: Farah Fawcet and Ryan O'Neill, and he will be having

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Speaker 6: a trial upcoming for a twenty eighteen alleged multiple stabbing.

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Speaker 6: So we'll be following up on that. I wanted to

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Speaker 6: change tax to something. It's really been hurting my heart

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Speaker 6: this story. And it happened right at Harvard Westlake, which,

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Speaker 6: if you're familiar with Los Angeles, is a very elite

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Speaker 6: Los Angeles private school. So what's going on is Aiden Romaine.

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Speaker 6: He's a former Harvard Westlake student. So he's filed a

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Speaker 6: lawsuit and he accuses the school, specific staff and previous

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Speaker 6: teammates of years of sexual and racial abuse. Aiden Romaine

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Speaker 6: alleges the school's administration covered up misconduct and this was

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Speaker 6: to protect a guy who was on his water pool.

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Speaker 6: They played water polo and Harvard Westlake they like channel

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Speaker 6: into the IVS and Olympics.

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Speaker 3: They're very good, ok.

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Speaker 6: And Aidan Romaine was either the only one or one

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Speaker 6: of two depending upon the time black water polo players

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Speaker 6: and the allegations that he was sexually assaulted and racially

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Speaker 6: harassed by most prominently a teammate, Luca Vanderwood was.

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Speaker 3: Right from Bodies referencing don't f with kat.

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Speaker 6: So it was the teammate Luca Vanderwood and others over

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Speaker 6: two years, and allegedly school officials failed to intervene.

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Speaker 4: So they knew and they didn't intervene, as the allegation

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Speaker 4: they knew that this was going on, and.

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Speaker 2: That is Amidad's say. They reached out to the school many,

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Speaker 2: many times. And this again goes back to the open

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Speaker 2: secret of it all. And these are really deplorable allegations.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and so criminally. The teammate, Luca Vanderwood, he

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Speaker 6: admitted in juvenile court to sexually penetrating a minor with

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Speaker 6: his finger, and a court has ordered Vanderwood and his

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Speaker 6: parents to pay just under fifty thousand dollars in restitution

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Speaker 6: to the victim. But it even went far beyond as

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Speaker 6: horrible as that sexual assault is the racial undertones. Teammates

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Speaker 6: were alleged to have whipped in romaine with a rope

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Speaker 6: while demanding get back to work, and they did this

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Speaker 6: as a slavery enactment, even as these words come out

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Speaker 6: of my mouth. Absolutely, and this happened four years and

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Speaker 6: this harassment and humiliation was often, according to allegations, in

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Speaker 6: the presence of Harvard Westlake agents and employees.

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Speaker 4: Why why did the school turn a blind eye? And listen,

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Speaker 4: can I guess? Can I guess? Were Luca's family like

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Speaker 4: Howie toity donors or something.

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Speaker 3: I do not know about their donor status or not.

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Speaker 6: I can tell you that Vanderwoods the one who has

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Speaker 6: you know, acknowledged that he perpetrated these crimes. His mother,

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Speaker 6: Nilda was the mother, which even according to the suit,

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Speaker 6: she handled logistics and communications with parents and what aiden

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Speaker 6: alleges is. I guess they viewed him as untouchable and

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Speaker 6: he Vanderwood, he was also a real star water polo player,

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Speaker 6: and it seems like it was a gang mentality. If

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Speaker 6: you're believing all of what's been alleged so criminally, that's

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Speaker 6: where it lies. However, Civilly, this is going to be

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Speaker 6: I think a very big deal because again the school

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Speaker 6: and officials and.

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Speaker 3: The coach are all being brought into this suit.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I think, I mean, I think they're going to

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Speaker 4: end up paying in this young man, although it's not

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01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 4: going to bring anything back, is going to be a

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Speaker 4: very very rich young man. I mean, this is absurd.

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Speaker 3: Let it be so, and there's not it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the school knew about it, they didn't They turned

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Speaker 4: a blind eye. You know, they were even in the

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Speaker 4: presence apparently when he was being treated. We have these

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Speaker 4: racial undertones and whatnot with the ropes and no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: This kid is going to own that school. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Let it be so. Romayne and his family have actually

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Speaker 3: now moved abroad.

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Speaker 6: He is just now. He is doing well. He is

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Speaker 6: back into water polo. He was an unbelievably talented and

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Speaker 6: I hope his career is huge. And we will cover

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Speaker 6: this more as a civil trial unfolds, because there are

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Speaker 6: a lot of details we didn't cover, and honestly, I'm

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Speaker 6: feeling too sick too repeat a lot of the actions.

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Speaker 6: But let your imagination run as bad as it can.

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Speaker 6: Multiply it and then you have it and I will

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Speaker 6: leave it at one thing. After leaving Harvard Way Lake,

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Speaker 6: Vanderwood was transferred to another high school, where he played

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Speaker 6: for the water polo team and was named the Orange

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Speaker 6: County Registers Water Player.

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Speaker 3: Of the Year. So that's good for him. What's doing there?

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Speaker 3: Keep it here true Crime tonight.

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Speaker 6: We have a lot more coming up, including hearing from

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Speaker 6: many of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime. Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: and Body and man, the night has flown by yet again.

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Speaker 2: Happy oscars to anybody who is watching and wherever you

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Speaker 2: are in the country right now, we hope you are

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Speaker 2: safe and it's not too hot or too stormy or

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Speaker 2: looks like there's going to be snow in the northeast.

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Speaker 3: Man, marchme, what is going on? What is going on?

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Speaker 2: The world seems a little bit upside down, So I'm

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01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 2: just grateful we get to be here together.

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Speaker 4: I had a heat wave warning today, heat wave March.

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Speaker 4: What's going on? I'm in Vegas. It's you know, hot normally,

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Speaker 4: but not in March.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to be in the prime weather moment right now.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so whether you're cozy or not.

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Speaker 3: We are just happy you're here.

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Speaker 4: One thousand, well said, let's you guys, you want to

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01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 4: do some talkbacks, let's absolutely.

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Speaker 10: Hey, True Crime fans and team, it's April. Just wondering

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01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 10: as I may have missed it because I was so

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Speaker 10: excited it was back on True Crime and chill.

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Speaker 2: What our next watch is going to.

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Speaker 10: Be and I am so glad it is back, but

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Speaker 10: I may have missed in all my reviews of what

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Speaker 10: we're supposed to be watching. Love you guys, Thanks for

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Speaker 10: everything you do.

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Speaker 3: Bye, Hi April April.

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Speaker 6: Our love for you and your love of True Crime

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Speaker 6: and Chill just warms our collective hearts over here. I

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Speaker 6: cannot even tell you. I say this in the best way.

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Speaker 6: You remind me of me when I'm a student, I

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Speaker 6: was very much a I don't know, you could call

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Speaker 6: it a try hard, try it whatever you want, but

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Speaker 6: I do call it whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: But being like, yes, what is next?

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Speaker 6: And I'm going to be there, and I hope you

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Speaker 6: were there for our next True Crime and Chill, which

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Speaker 6: actually we.

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Speaker 4: Should totally see you being that way, right, Yeah, all

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Speaker 4: good though, nothing nothing critical to say about that. I

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Speaker 4: love it definitely. You're definitely not a tryhard though. I

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Speaker 4: think you just excel at everything you do.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm gonna take that, put it in the bank.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: If anyone isn't familiar with True Crime and Chill, so

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Speaker 6: we'll we'll throw out. We love collective experiences, right, I

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01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 6: feel like in general we society lacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll pick.

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Speaker 6: We'll pick something to watch, and we'll all watch it

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Speaker 6: at a certain amount of time, and then we'll get

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Speaker 6: to talk about it collectively. I think Ava was going

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Speaker 6: to fill us in our producer Ava.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Oh my gosh, April, I also love true crime

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Speaker 5: and chill and I need to have voices like you

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Speaker 5: sending us talkbacks promoting it or else I can't convince

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Speaker 5: the ladies here to do it.

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Speaker 4: So I appreciate you and don't throw us under the bus. Eva.

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Speaker 5: Guys, it's this is a democracy, and you guys have

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Speaker 5: the biggest vote. But unfortunately, I am going to make

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Speaker 5: an executive producer's decision right now. Now that talk's not

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Speaker 5: here and I'm in charge. There's something I've really wanted

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Speaker 5: to watch and discuss, and that is The Alabama Solution,

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Speaker 5: which is the Oscar nominated documentary. I think we got

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Speaker 5: some talk talks recommending it a little bit ago, but

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Speaker 5: he just never got around to watching it.

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Speaker 4: And I remember, I mean I think it was I

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Speaker 4: think it was late summer. We got talked back to

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Speaker 4: watch The Alabama Solution. So I started watching it, and

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with you, it's it. I only

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Speaker 4: watched maybe like twenty minutes of it. I think I

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Speaker 4: had to go to work. I can't remember what it was,

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Speaker 4: or maybe I had to come on in the show.

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01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 4: And it's it's rough. It is is it's rough. I

1510
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 4: can see why it was Oscar nominated. It's talking about

1511
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 4: my understanding. But now you've seen it, is that right?

1512
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen it yet. I've been seeing you haven't.

1513
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 5: Fresh fresh on the mind for True Crime and show.

1514
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 5: I've been like every week I've said to Tah and

1515
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 5: can we watch the Alabama Solution?

1516
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know, so now it's time, right, there's

1517
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 4: you know, true crime is interesting, Like there's obviously case talk, right,

1518
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 4: which we all do, but there's also like the legalities

1519
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 4: and like the justice aspect of this that that I

1520
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 4: think all of us really kind of lean in on

1521
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1522
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 6: You know.

1523
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 4: We're we're all like justice seekers, we are all very

1524
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 4: against injustice of any kind, and this documentary really my

1525
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 4: understanding of it is it really touches on that. And

1526
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 4: it's about the for profit you know, basically the prison system,

1527
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:16,480
Speaker 4: and it's focusing in on Alabama. So it's very racially

1528
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: like an issue. It's it's everything up my alley to

1529
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 4: get me fired up. I like things that get me

1530
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 4: fired up, and when there's injustice to marginalized communities, I

1531
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 4: get fired up. And so I'm very interested to watch this.

1532
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 4: I'm really glad that we're going to be doing it

1533
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 4: and unpacking it, you know, collectively as a whole, because

1534
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 4: the twenty minutes I watched was very difficult. It was

1535
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 4: very difficult to watch it. But I do think it's

1536
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 4: an important documentary. And guess what, it's Oscar Night right there,

1537
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 4: per an Oscar, So it's it's very fitting, I.

1538
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 5: Think, and just to show how tasteful and culture we are.

1539
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 5: Another past True Crime and Chill is also Oscar nominated.

1540
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 5: The Perfect Neighbor, which we discussed a couple of months ago,

1541
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 5: is nominated in the same category.

1542
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 4: Is it really?

1543
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? So, and that's the one I could not watch.

1544
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 3: I started it and I literally.

1545
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 4: Was like, so creepy. I don't know, it's so creepy.

1546
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to be interested to see who wins. Don't

1547
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 4: tell them, don't call in and tell us any dight

1548
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 4: thirty one crime, do not I'm gonna. I'm gonna as

1549
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 4: soon as we're done here about fifteen minutes. I'm literally

1550
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 4: going to make my little meal that I eat every night.

1551
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 4: I'm sit in front of my TV. I'm gonna watch

1552
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 4: it and I'm gonna rewind it to where my boyfriend

1553
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 4: Peter Pascal got on stage, and I'm gonna start watching

1554
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 4: it again.

1555
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 6: I have exact similar plans kicking these shoes off.

1556
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so April, I'm not April Ava. April called

1557
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 4: in about when are we going to do true crime?

1558
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 4: And chill, do we know when we're going to discuss this?

1559
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 4: When should we watch this?

1560
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 5: I'll have to consult with Taha when he's back. But

1561
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 5: let's say in the next two weeks. We'll discuss it

1562
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 5: sometime before the end of the end of March.

1563
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 4: So okay, so by the end of March, everybody go

1564
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,799
Speaker 4: watch the Alabama Solution. It's non an data for an oscar.

1565
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 4: I believe it's on Netflix, right.

1566
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 6: It's actually it's it was released by HBO and HBO Max.

1567
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you for that.

1568
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 6: So and you can probably find it other places, but

1569
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 6: that is where it was released by. And yeah, it

1570
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 6: covers six years of an investigation, as I'm understanding, and

1571
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 6: it's from the perspective of incarcerated leaders and is either

1572
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 6: prominently or fully done by cell phone footage.

1573
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 3: That was taken inside. So it should be something to watch.

1574
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 5: And if you've already watched it, or you watch it

1575
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 5: before we end up discussing it, we will save all

1576
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,879
Speaker 5: of your talkbacks about it so that when we're discussing

1577
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,520
Speaker 5: it on air, you guys can be part of the conversation.

1578
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 5: So if you have any thoughts on it between now

1579
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 5: and then, please don't forget to leave us talkbax.

1580
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1581
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 4: Should be going to fund the iHeartRadio app. You know,

1582
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 4: look for true crime tonight. Click the little microphone. I

1583
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 4: think you can record thirty seconds if you listen. If

1584
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 4: you're like a rambler like me, you can leave two

1585
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 4: and we'll just put them together. But you get thirty seconds,

1586
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 4: leave us a little talk back and boom, you'll be

1587
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 4: on the show. Let's go to one right now.

1588
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 11: Heyl Lea in Australia. I promise I'll stop harping on

1589
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 11: about the Lucy let Be case. But it is my

1590
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 11: Roman Empire. There was actually an inquiry that was held

1591
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 11: post Lucy let Be's convictions into the hospital itself. A

1592
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 11: lot of things were raised it's called a sole inquiry.

1593
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 11: We're having a look at that one. Judge Dowell's report

1594
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 11: is due early twenty twenty six, so hopefully it should

1595
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 11: come out soon.

1596
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 4: Please, first of all, never apologize for being leaving us

1597
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 4: talkbacks about your Roman Empire case like I'm here for it.

1598
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 4: This case is like super interesting to me. And again

1599
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 4: she's talking about the Lucy let Be case because we

1600
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 4: recently had Amanda NOx on and she has a new

1601
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 4: podcast called Doubt. You can find it here on iHeartRadio,

1602
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 4: and she is basically deep diving right the lucy let

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01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 4: case and Lucy let Be she was a pediatric nurses

1604
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 4: no no uhonatal youse right in England and when she

1605
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 4: was working, all these babies were like twenty babies.

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01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 3: I think it was a lot.

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01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, fifteen go ahead, yeah were There were seven babies

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01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 6: who died during the time period that lucy let Bee

1609
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 6: was there and then she is now. However, there were

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01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 6: several other children who she was questioned to have allegedly

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01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 6: had involvement with, and Lucy Letbee is now serving fifteen

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01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 6: life sentences for murdering those seven babies.

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01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 4: But there's apparently a lot of questions surrounding her conviction.

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01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 4: And my understanding is that the case has been sent

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01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 4: to a commission. They had this commission in England that

1616
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 4: reviews these kinds of cases to see if you know,

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01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 4: a reasonable person would have been convicted or a reasonable

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01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 4: person would have convicted her, And it's basically in their

1619
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 4: hands right now. So the case is up in the

1620
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 4: air right now. And our talk back, she's kind of

1621
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 4: obsessed with the case and I'm here for it. I

1622
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 4: don't know anything about it. We learned about it from Amanda,

1623
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 4: so I'm very interested to see what happens with that.

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01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 4: So thank you for that talk about.

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01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and also I would like to know I love

1626
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 5: this idea of like what your Roman Empire case is.

1627
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 5: This is like too, by the way, the Roman Empire thing.

1628
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 5: It's a new term that originated on TikTok. I want

1629
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 5: to say last year of last year was a trend

1630
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 5: that was men think about the Roman Empire every day.

1631
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 5: Ask your boyfriend or your brother how often he thinks

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01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 5: about the Roman Empire. I don't know if I believe that.

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01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 5: I think a lot of men were lying to see

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01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 5: more intellectual than they actually are. But it has kind

1635
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 5: of become a stand in for like, what's a topic

1636
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 5: you think about every day? So if there's like one

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01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 5: case that's your Roman empire, that means like you think

1638
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 5: about it every day, you can't get it off your mind.

1639
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 5: Leave us a talk back about it, Colin about it.

1640
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 5: You would love to.

1641
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 3: We'd love to dive in.

1642
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 4: Maybe we can talk about our Roman empires.

1643
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 5: I know, did you have one that comes to mind

1644
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 5: right away? Kendrick Johnson case.

1645
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:08,879
Speaker 4: Kendrick Johnson.

1646
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 3: Really that's a big one for me.

1647
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 5: I'm really glad we got to talk back about it because.

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01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 3: I am too.

1649
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 4: Actually, it's so funny because I recently just started following

1650
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 4: this this woman on Facebook. Her name is Leah, and

1651
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 4: I think she's working with the family, not for the family,

1652
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 4: but with them on Kendrick's case, and she's trying to,

1653
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 4: you know, re raise awareness about you know, his case,

1654
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 4: and she's very active. She posts every day. I would

1655
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:41,759
Speaker 4: love is about her because I would love to unpack

1656
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 4: that case. I don't. I don't think it's talked about enough.

1657
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 4: There's definitely something goofy with what happened to Kendrick.

1658
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 5: Lot of the Ellen Greenberg case.

1659
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit seems.

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01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,839
Speaker 5: Like it's so obviously impossible for it to be a suicide.

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01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 5: Ellen Greenberg, she was found with twenty stab wounds in

1662
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 5: her apartment in Philadelphia, some to the back of her head,

1663
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 5: and it's now twice been ruled a suicide by the

1664
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 5: medical examiner. And in Kendrick Johnson's case, he was found

1665
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 5: rolled up in a gym. Matt, That's hard to kind

1666
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 5: of imagine how you could get into that position after

1667
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 5: a suicide. And in both cases, the alleged possible perpetrator

1668
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 5: has deep connections to local law enforcement and kind of

1669
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 5: like local like I think in the Kendrick Johnson case

1670
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 5: he had like a cousin in the FBI or something,

1671
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 5: there was something like that. The two cases are very

1672
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 5: similar to me, but I think it speaks volumes that

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01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 5: Ellen Greenberg is maybe more well known because she's like

1674
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 5: a white woman, as Kendrick Johnson was like a young

1675
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 5: black man.

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01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would love I would love to cover

1677
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: it more.

1678
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I you know, it's kind of silly. It's well,

1679
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's silly, but I was attracted

1680
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 4: to Kendrick's case because of the injustice. The you know

1681
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 4: that is face value, right, but he's also like always

1682
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 4: wearing like this un l V garb and that's where

1683
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 4: I went to call it. And so I have a

1684
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 4: special place in my heart for Hendrick Johnson's case because

1685
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 4: he's wearing my alumni garb and it's it's his parents.

1686
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 4: When you know they're out trying to raise awareness, they're

1687
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 4: always wearing his his kind of style of clothing as well.

1688
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 4: So they're always wearing rubble gear as well, which is

1689
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 4: pretty cool. But they seem like lovely people, and you know,

1690
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 4: it's been thirteen years and they they want answers. Understandably,

1691
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 4: their son was found in a high school gym, rolled

1692
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 4: up in a mat, and they're basically saying he fell

1693
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,520
Speaker 4: in there trying to get his shoes. And from my understanding,

1694
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 4: from my remember, and you can correct me if I'm wrong,

1695
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 4: but you might know this more than I do. His

1696
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 4: shoes were found on top of him. So how could

1697
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 4: you fall in face first, right from the bleachers into

1698
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 4: a rolled up mat to get your shoes right and

1699
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 4: then your shoes also be on where your feet are?

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01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't remember, but we're gonna I think I'm

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01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 5: gonna ask Joseph.

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01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 4: Let's unpack it with. Yeah, let's unpack that one because

1703
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:00,080
Speaker 4: it's very very interesting and it's very very sad, and

1704
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, gives me a riled up.

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01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 6: And I love those cases, and I, for one had

1706
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 6: never even heard of it, so I'm excited to dig in.

1707
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 3: And Ava, I know you mentioned Joseph.

1708
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 6: Joseph Scott Morgan is a forensics expert who we have

1709
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 6: joined us often once a week and he's able to

1710
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 6: shed a really unique light on things. Do we have

1711
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 6: time for one more talkback's do?

1712
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Hi? Everybody?

1713
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 2: This is Marta from Iowa. I love the walk on

1714
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 2: Music combo and I had to call.

1715
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 3: To tell you that my walk on music would be

1716
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 3: Girl on Fire by Alicia Keys.

1717
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 11: I attempted to get my husband to let me walk

1718
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 11: down the aisle to that song the idea, but I

1719
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 11: thought it would have been perfect.

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01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 5: Thanks for all you do.

1721
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 4: Have a great day, Ala Marsa, Marta, that is so cute.

1722
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:50,839
Speaker 4: This girl is Altha.

1723
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah is that the vision Yeah?

1724
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 6: Walking down the aisle to that rebulinary? Yes, that is

1725
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 6: Ava right now. She's taking notes for a much future date.

1726
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 6: But that is you are a visionary for that.

1727
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: I love.

1728
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 3: Can't imagine their weddings like that.

1729
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 4: That's also I do too, And I like when they

1730
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 4: do a little I don't know why, but I really

1731
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 4: like the groomsmen and the maid of honors and the

1732
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 4: bridesmaids doing their little dance as they walk down the aisle.

1733
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 4: I love that stuff. I'm all for it. I listen,

1734
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 4: you tell your husband he's a little poopy pants. Well

1735
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 4: you know in in uh a fun killer, and that

1736
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 4: you should have been able to do that. I love

1737
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 4: that song. That's a perfect walk on song.

1738
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 3: Perfect. It is a what's yours?

1739
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 5: Thank you, guys. I was prepared. I literally before getting

1740
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,719
Speaker 5: on this call, I scrolled through all my Spotify playlists

1741
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 5: because I was stopp prying for this exact question, and

1742
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 5: I landed on mine. It's so embarrassing, but I'm just

1743
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 5: going to be truthful. My answer is Bad Girls by

1744
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 5: m I, a live fast young Bad Girls do it well.

1745
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 3: Yes, you know that song. I don't know that song.

1746
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 3: It gets me high, it gets me hype. I love it.

1747
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, excellent. Well listen I hear that. I

1748
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 3: hear that music, and that's our walk off music. Our

1749
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 3: night has ended. Thank you for spending it with us.

1750
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 6: Tomorrow we have updates in the Georgia senior prank case

1751
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 6: gone wrong, that and much more so.

1752
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 3: Listen, be good or be good at it. Bye bye,