1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Before we get started, I want to let you know 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: that Hitman contains graphic scenes of violence. Listener, discretion is advised. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you about this book I found. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: If you saw it on a shelf, you might think 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: it was a comic book or a silly polp novel. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: The cover's purple, with a James Bond Dick Tracy looking 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: guy on the front, wearing a bright yellow suit and 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: a fedora. He's holding up a gun with a silencer attached, 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: and behind him there's this red outline of a body. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: And on the back cover is a crew drawing of handcuffs, 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: a bottle of poison, a knife, some red gloves, and 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: that same gun. The book's title even sounds kind of ridiculous. 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: It's called hit Man, a Technical Manual for Independent Contractors. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: It was published in nineteen three by a Colorado publisher 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: called Paladin Press. Here's how the author, Rex Ferrell begins. 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: A woman recently asked how I could, in good conscience 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: write an instruction book on murder. Oh, and we got 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: an actor to read his lines. How can you live 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: with yourself if someone uses what you right to go 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: out and take a human life? Wind Rex Ferrell has 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: very specific tips for the aspiring contract killer. He writes, 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: step by step, you will learn where to find employment, 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: how much to charge, and what you can and cannot 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: do with the money you earn. And beyond all his 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: logistical secrets, because of this book is full of those, 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: he takes it a step further. He walks you as 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: if you're his apprentice through the mental preparation it takes 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: for a person to commit murder, like how to handle 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 1: the emotions. He says, you won't feel after your first job. 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: You had wondered if you would feel compassion for the victim, 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: im mediate guilt, or even experienced direct intervention by the 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: hand of God, but you weren't even feeling sick and 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: by the side of the body. It's hard to get 34 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: your hands on an actual copy of hit Man, and 35 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: it's been out of print since I first discovered it. 36 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: When I was researching a story for another radio show. 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: They wanted pitches about amateurs, stories of ineptitude and failure, 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: but also people who had stumbled into success despite dubious qualifications. 39 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: That was five years ago. I thought it would be 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: this little eight minute peace, but it turned into this 41 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: eight episode podcast on the back of the book, it 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: says Ferrell is a hit man. He is the last 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: recourse in these times when laws are so twisted that 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: justice goes unserved. He is a man who controls his 45 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: destiny through his private code of ethics, who feels no 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: twinch of guilt at doing his job. He is a 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: professional killer. Rex Ferrell talks a out about how to 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: stay anonymous, and he recommends using a fake name, especially 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: when running a car or checking into a hotel. It's 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: obvious he did this when he wrote his book. The 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: name Rex Ferrell is too perfect. Farrell literally means wild. 52 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: He wants you to think he's dangerous. So of all 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: the mysteries around this book, the biggest one is Ferrell's 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: true identity. The publisher has always protected the author. Their 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: real name can't be found in court documents, and it's 56 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: never come out in public, which is fitting because in 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: his book he promises that he'll always remain elusive, that 58 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: he'll never be caught. If my advice and the proven 59 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: methods in this book are followed, certainly no one will 60 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: ever know. But I wanted to know who would write 61 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: an instruction manual for murder? And why so? I initially 62 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: set out to find this Rex Ferrell, but the truth 63 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: behind this book was so much bigger. He followed it 64 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: a step by step to come in and murder my family. 65 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Some of this you can figure it out without a book, 66 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: so you couldn't. Some of it is bordering on any 67 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Do we really want to tell people this because it's 68 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: kind of evil? You know? How do you go after 69 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: a book? I don't care what it says. This ship 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: cannot be protected by the First Amendment. Motile legacy is 71 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: motile a legacy, and everyone who was there, whatever they did, good, bad, 72 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: what they say and ugly, you know, it's all part 73 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: of the legacy. I got woke up in the wee 74 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: hours of the morning. There had been an explosion and 75 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: they had located a dead body. He was obviously good 76 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: at concealing his identity. He literally just kind of fell 77 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. I'm Jasmine Morris from 78 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio and Hit Home Media. This is hit Man. 79 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: I learned very quickly that no one wants to talk 80 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: about this book, certainly not the publisher. Back in two 81 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, I made a phone call to Paladin Press 82 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: and I asked if I could speak with someone about 83 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: hit Man. There was a long pause from the person 84 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: on the other end, and the call lasted about ten seconds. 85 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: I still haven't been able to get anyone from Paladin 86 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: on the phone or to answer my emails. In later episodes, 87 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: we're going to explore the whole bizarre story of Paladin, 88 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: but for now, here's what you need to know. The 89 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: publisher began in Colorado in nineteen seventy, founded by two 90 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: Vietnam veterans named Paidar Lund and Robert Cape Brown. In 91 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: earlier photos, they're often posing with guns, wearing military fatigues 92 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: bandanas across their foreheads. Lande looks just like Martin Sheen 93 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: from Apocalypse Now. At one point, the company website said 94 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: they named their press Paladin after the knights who served 95 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: in Charlemagne's court in eighth century France, knights who were 96 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: quote dispatched by the king to redress wrongs in the land. 97 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: Brown would eventually start the Mercenary magazine Soldier of Fortune, 98 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: while Lund soldiered on at Paladin, publishing books with titles 99 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: like be Your Own Undertaker, how to Dispose of a 100 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: dead Body, and Sneak It through Smuggling made easier in 101 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: the eighties, they got into the video business, putting out 102 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: instructional tapes like the lock Picking Guide b An E 103 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: A t Z. How to get in anywhere anytime, getting 104 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: into everything from padlocks to bank a vaults. You're going 105 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: to see a steal of Mercedes, Corvette Ferrari, we are 106 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: going to blow up a safe and was burning bars. 107 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna use everything can be done to get in someplace. 108 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: As the company website said, quote Paladin, readers seek knowledge 109 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: and information that some people think should remain secret or unpublished. 110 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: Remember when they started, it was long before the internet. 111 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Lund was a First Amendment fundamentalist. He wanted to set 112 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: this information free. There was just nothing that these guys 113 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: one cell. That's Attorney Howard Siegel. I can hear Howard 114 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: if he could be a little louder, Jasmine, you were 115 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: absolutely the first person in the history of Western civilization 116 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: who has ever asked me to be louder. My wife 117 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: would be astounded that somebody asked me to be a louder. Yeah, 118 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Goad Howard has been an attorney for forty five years, 119 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: often taking on cases no one else will. He's bombastic 120 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: and unfiltered and not afraid to make his opinions known, 121 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: which made him a worthy opponent of paid our loans, 122 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: But we'll get into that later. I remember one description 123 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: of how to build a baby bottle bomb in one 124 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: of his books. That was a bomb that was literally 125 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: in a baby bottle, and you would wield the baby 126 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: into a crowded marketplace. That's how you would kill innocent people. 127 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: And didn't bother Lund in the slightest. I mean, here's 128 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: Lund himself back in the nineties being interviewed by Mike 129 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: Wallace on sixty minutes. Terrorists would certainly be interested in 130 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: what you publish. They might be absolutely and this doesn't 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: worry the fact that, no, it does not. And later, 132 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: when asked about a book tied to the Oklahoma City bombing, 133 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: the domestic terrorist attack that killed one d sixty eight people, 134 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: Lunda says this, I feel no responsibility. I have no 135 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: ethical responsibility for the misuse of information. That's what this 136 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: whole issue is about, the misuse, the illegal use of information. 137 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: Lund died in two thousand seventeen and Paladin shut down 138 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: shortly afterward. But I did speak with Tom Kelly, the 139 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: press lawyer who defended Paladin in a landmark first Amendment 140 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: case that we're going to talk a whole lot about. 141 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: Not surprisingly, his take on Paladin's catalog was a little 142 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: different than Howard's. Paladin has a niche market, a very 143 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: eclectic mixture of non fiction. They focus on libertarian values, 144 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: self help strategies, survivalism, knowledge of weapons and explosives, but 145 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: they also include esoteric topics like quite a range of 146 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: odd hobbies, or the spiritual life of the Lakota Sue 147 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: Indians and that sort of thing. One of the best 148 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: selling series of Paladin was the Revenge series, including Screw 149 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: onto Others, revenge tactics for all occasions. I've also seen 150 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: Paladin be described as the most dangerous publisher in America 151 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: or something like that. Well, I you know, I think 152 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: that's preposterous. The books published are very unlikely to be 153 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: the cause of criminal conduct, murder, mayhem, what have you. 154 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: This conversation is so relevant right now. What do we 155 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: do with this kind of speech and information? Every few days, 156 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: it seems there's another mass shooting tied to some kind 157 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: of radicalized viral online hate. So we have to ask, 158 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: can horrendous ideas cause horrendous acts of violence? And are 159 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: the platforms that perpetuate those ideas responsible. Paladin's publisher paid 160 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: our Land once said, I've never seen a man killed 161 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: by a book which brings us to murders of Millie 162 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: and Trevor Horn and Janice Saunders. We're like, what a 163 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: book that's published? It tells you how to kill? And 164 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: really we could not believe this, something like this was published. 165 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: We had three people who were dead, had been murdered, 166 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: and this book was used. It made me angry. I 167 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: was already angry when I understood the book, and I 168 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: became even more angry. That's Maryland Farmer. She's telling me 169 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: about her sister, Millie Horne, a forty three year old 170 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: single mom with three kids, an older daughter, Tiffany, and 171 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: twins Tammielle and Trevor. We all remember her, her beautiful smile, 172 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: her red lips she loved red lipstick, and her infectious 173 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: laughter and just happy, loving life. We used to teaser 174 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: because Millie had blonde hair, and she had green eyes, 175 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: and she was fair skinned, and she had a presence 176 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: about her. That presence it comes through in stories and 177 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: photographs of Millie. I've heard people use words like magnetic 178 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: when describing her. I've also heard determined, prideful, fearless, and regal. 179 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: She's also been described as a really good mom. Here's 180 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: her daughter, Tiffany. I can honestly say she invested her 181 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: heart and soul in raising me. She also was that 182 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: cool mom, you know, and she definitely was more carefree. 183 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: Like she took me to see Flash Name. It's like 184 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: I will never forget that, Like what mother takes their 185 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: daughter to see a movie about strippers? It was like 186 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: eight years old. She didn't know was that kind of 187 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: dancy mill. He was fiercely protective of her children, which 188 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: became especially clear to everyone when she gave birth to 189 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: her twins. They were born three months premature. Tammiel had 190 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: no major health complications, but Trevor's lungs were underdeveloped and 191 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: he was in critical condition when he finally came home 192 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: from the hospital. He had a tracheostomy tube in his 193 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: throat and he was hooked up to an abneum monitor, 194 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: which would sound an alarm if he stopped breathing. He 195 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: required twenty four hour nursing care. Trevor was profoundly disabled. 196 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: That's Howard Siegel again. He was what many people would 197 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: consider to be the ultimate burden, and these people treated 198 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: him like he was the ultimate gift. He was our 199 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: miracle child. I would have a bad day at work 200 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: and I would come in and walk in the room 201 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: and who's they're chuckling away at me. Tiffany was nine 202 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: when the twins were born, and she remembers that close bond. 203 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: Million Trevor shared, My mom was his everything, like a 204 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: mother's son love you could not imagine. And it was 205 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: almost like she was the love of his life. And 206 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: I think my mom had been looking for that connection 207 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: for a long time. Say, Fifine, I have Tammy you. 208 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: What do you do in Trevor? Wait, this is footage 209 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: from a home video Maryland shared with me. That's her 210 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: voice you're hearing. Trevor, now four years old, is laying 211 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: on a Smurf's blanket on the floor in his bedroom, 212 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: which was the heart of Milly's house. They actually called 213 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: it the family room. His cousins and siblings are playing 214 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: with him, tickling him. His mouth is wide open with 215 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: the biggest smile. He just radiates joy. You can see 216 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: it on everyone's faces. And then his mother, Millie, gets 217 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: down on the floor with him. What are you talking about, Trevor? STU. 218 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: Look at recommend Mama, where are you going? Oh it's 219 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: Trevor turned over? Look at your laving? Just like every 220 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: other night. Around seven seven pm on March second, Trevor 221 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: gets a bath and is rocked to sleep in a 222 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: rocking chair in his room. If it wasn't Milly doing this, 223 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: it would be one of the nurses she recruited to 224 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: help care for Trevor. Janis Saunders, arrives around eight pm 225 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: to work the night shift. Janie isn't supposed to be 226 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: there that night, but she agreed to fill in for 227 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: another nurse who couldn't make it. As was routine, she 228 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: flashes her headlights, letting the day nurse know she's in 229 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: the driveway. The garage door opens for her. She pulls 230 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: in and closes the garage door behind her. The nurse, 231 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: being relieved, debriefs Janice, telling her Trevor was doing very 232 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,119 Speaker 1: well clinically. She says he was enjoyable and very happy 233 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: that they'd had a very pleasant a. Milliehorn, a flight 234 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: attendant with American Airlines, is scheduled to fly out around 235 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: eight am. Tammiell's sleeping over at her aunt's. Janice settles 236 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: in for the night. Just before midnight, a man parks 237 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: his rental car and silver Spring, Maryland. He carries a 238 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: hand drawn map as he walks to Millie's big brick 239 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: house nearby. This is the ax on his map. Millie 240 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: is asleep upstairs. Trevor is asleep in his room. Jannis 241 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: sits by his side, cross stitching and watching over the boy. 242 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: At around two am, she logs his vitals continued to 243 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: sleep quietly, respiratory status, stable, lungs clear, diaper dry. Her 244 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: notes show that she started to write more and then. 245 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: No one knows exactly what happened next, but here's what 246 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: investigators piece together. The man approaches the back of the 247 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: house carrying an a R seven rifle, low it with 248 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: twenty two caliber ammunition and a homemade silencer affixed the barrel. 249 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: He prizes open a basement window or possibly the sliding 250 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: back door. He walks through the first floor of the 251 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: house towards Trevor's bedroom, finds Janice Saunders and shoots her 252 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: through the eye. He then approaches Trevor's crib and smothers 253 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: the boy. Trevor stops breathing, which sets off the piercing 254 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: alarm of zapnea monitor, just as she had done many 255 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: times in the past. Millie hears the alarm and heads 256 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: downstairs to check on Trevor. That's when she comes face 257 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: to face with a man at the foot of the stairs. 258 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: He shoots her in the head three times, again through 259 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: the eye. Before the man leaves, he tosses furniture and 260 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: takes Millie's credit cards. He takes his gun, disassembles it, 261 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: and runs a rattail file down the inside of his 262 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: A R seven. He grabs Millie's keys, and he takes 263 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: off in her van, tossing her credit cards and the 264 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: gun parts into the brush along the highway. He abandons 265 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: her van and he gets back into his rental car, 266 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: making one last stop to a pay phone at a 267 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: Denny's nearby. All Right, it's cryptic, but investigators believe this 268 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: was a hitman calling his employer to report he had 269 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: completed his job. We'll be right back after a quick break. 270 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: When I first reached out to Tiffany Horn, it's been 271 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: twenty five years since her family was completely torn apart. 272 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: After several years or decades, the family leaves that deal 273 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: with this type of horrendous trauma are constantly dealing with 274 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: the fallout. It never goes away, and it's a lonely 275 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: existence sometimes to be part of that, because you become 276 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: almost like a pariah, and it's too painful for people 277 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: to want to deal with. I keep coming back to 278 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: this moment in the home video that Marilynn shared with me, 279 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: when Tiffany turns the camera on her mom, Mom, I 280 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: go to church today. What did you do that? I 281 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: tried to listen to? What else did you do? Tiffany 282 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: was just a teenager when she lost her mom. She's 283 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: now outlived Milly by a year. She's a forty four 284 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: year old single mother of two. She travels as much 285 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: as she can. She loves music and God, and she's tough. 286 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: By that, I mean she doesn't let anyone walk all 287 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: over her. She'll put you in your place. She first 288 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: answered my call in March of two thousand eighteen. We 289 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: had many more phone calls before she agreed to meet 290 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: with me, and even then she was reluctant. She still is. 291 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: She doesn't trust easily for good reason. Why are you 292 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: sitting here with me today? I feel it's important to 293 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 1: tell some details and some parts of my story that 294 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever really talked about before, even 295 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: just talking to you today. I can't have these conversations 296 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: really with anyone now. My kids have grown up and 297 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: they're moving on to live their adult lives, and I 298 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: guess I'm left now with, oh, wow, there's all these 299 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: things I'm still having to kind of sort through about 300 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: my dad, about my mom, about my family. The morning 301 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: of March three, Tiffany got a phone call to her 302 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: dorm room at Howard University in Washington, d C. I'll 303 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: never forget. They called me from the lobby and they 304 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: said that the police were there for me, and my 305 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: heart stopped. They just said, can you come with us? 306 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: So that was like a minute tribe, and I just 307 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: remember being back at the cruiser just crying and crying 308 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: and crying because I didn't know what had happened, but 309 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: I knew it must be something awful. So I had 310 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: almost a whole hour to go through all these different scenarios, 311 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking immediately maybe my mom's plane 312 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: had crashed or something like. I used to have those 313 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: fears as a child, so that was the first thing 314 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: that came to my mind. I'm at that point inconsolable, 315 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: so I run into the house and I just collapsed 316 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: into my Auntie Lane's arms, screaming and crying. And that's 317 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: when my grandmother was in the background, wailing that he 318 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: killed my daughter, this primal whale of pain. And then 319 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: that's when my my aunt told me that my mother, 320 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: my brother, and his nurse Janis had been murdered. Tiffany's aunt, 321 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Millie sister, Vivian Elaine Rice lived next door to Millie. 322 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: She was the first one to discover the scene around 323 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: seven fifteen am. At first, everyone pointed their fingers and 324 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: Millie's ex husband and father her three children, Lawrence Horn, 325 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: but he was three thousand miles away at the time, 326 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: and as we'll learn, he had an airtight alibi. I 327 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: was responsible for the investigation and prosecution of what we 328 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: call the triple murder for hire of Trevor and Mildred 329 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: and Janice Saunders. Robert Dean is a career prosecutor based 330 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: in Montgomery County, Maryland. After I reached out, he responded immediately. 331 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: He was working in me and mar at the time 332 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: when we met up just days after he returned to 333 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: the States. Police didn't always ask me to come out 334 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: to the crime scene, but they thought this was the 335 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: type of case where it was appropriate, so I did. 336 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: It was a very somber and and and solemn site. 337 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: There was the body of Mildred Horn at the bottom 338 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: of the stairs. There was the body of a child 339 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: with clearly life support type of apparatus oxygen tanks and 340 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: and and wires and so forth. By his side was 341 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: Jonnas Saunders, one of his care nurses. Bob Dean still 342 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: calls this the biggest case he's ever had. It was 343 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: one of the most exhaustive investigations in Montgomery County history. 344 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: Whoever had committed this crime had managed to leave no 345 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: fingerprints behind. They didn't have much to go on, so 346 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: the police set off on foot, canvassing the area for clues, 347 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: and they told us they had found someone from Detroit 348 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: who was signed into a hotel, stayed like six hours, 349 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: and then left. This man from Detroit had checked into 350 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: a nearby days in around midnight and had checked out 351 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: by six am the morning of the murders. There could 352 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: have been plenty of innocent explanations, but it still seemed weird. 353 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: This was clearly an interstate matter, and by this time 354 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: we had asked the FBI for assistance, and investigators from 355 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: the Detroit FBI office decided to pay the man a visitance. Units. 356 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: We should be on that house in a few minutes. 357 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna have the handheld with us. This is the 358 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: actual tape from that day. They're outside the man's small 359 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: brick house in East Detroit. Hey, so, Bob case FBI, Well, 360 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: see how we covered as quickly here I got from 361 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: a Baltimore office. Okay, what they're looking at is, um 362 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: they checked some hotels I guess on days in Gethersburg area, Rockville, Maryland, 363 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: and they had information that you stayed there. I know 364 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: it's going back a long time, but March second third 365 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: of this year. Okay, Well, first of all March. Okay. 366 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: First of all, they want to confirm there was in 367 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: fact you or somebody still your I D did you 368 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: lose your ID or something like that. Uh No, I 369 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: was there in that area, okay, And so I can 370 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: can you tell us why you were there? Well? Well, 371 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: can I ask you why you're asking this question? And 372 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: eventually he answers the FBI agents your own business business, 373 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: church related business. The man being questioned is James Edward Perry. 374 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: He was around forty five years old. At the time. 375 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: He had a criminal record. He'd been in prison for 376 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: armed robbery, but he'd served his time and now worked 377 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: for himself as a radio minister and spiritual advisor. I 378 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: traveled across this country. I've got probably maybe four or 379 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: five thousand people that I counsel and in minister too. 380 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: We are into basically now trying to help people, uh, 381 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: what the problems that they possibly have. I found the 382 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: surveillance photo of him. He's wearing a trench coat in 383 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: a prayer cap. He's got aviator sunglasses hanging around his neck. 384 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: He's very stylish. Perry called himself a case buster. He 385 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: helped with things like choosing lottery numbers and counseling people 386 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: on their marriages. There are people that because those certain 387 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: things happening in their lives there they have witchcraft. They 388 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: held painting that body. Uh. We pray for him and 389 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: we are tempted to give them a positive attitude with 390 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: My belief is that whatever it is, if you think 391 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: that you're healthy, when you'll be healthy, it doesn't make 392 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: no difference what you have, you have cancer or what 393 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: have you that can be absolved. I'm going to take 394 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: you through all the twists and turns of this investigation, 395 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: But just know that eventually investigators executed a search warrant 396 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: on Perry's house, and he had kind of a storefront. 397 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a church, but I 398 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: guess that's what we will call it, and we'll call 399 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: it a church. Handle a little calling card, and there 400 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: was a soldier of Fortune magazine, and then there was 401 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: a catalog for Paler and Press. Sure enough we learned 402 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 1: that James Perry had in fact ordered these two books, 403 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: how to Be a Hitman by Rex Ferrell, and this 404 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: book on how to make disposable silencers. We ordered, of 405 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: course these books as well. Do you remember the first 406 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: time you saw that book? Yeah, I know I. I 407 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: looked at it and I couldn't believe it. I don't 408 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: want to say I was appalled. For a minute. I 409 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: thought it was a joke. It's kind of just a 410 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: gag gift. But you've not got the thinking that maybe, 411 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, some people take it seriously, and Perry was 412 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: interested in it. Investigators found striking similarities between the tips 413 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: found in hit Man and the murders of Millie, Trevor 414 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: and Janice. The first item on Farrell's basic equipment checklist 415 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: an a R seven rifle, which investigators believe was used 416 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: in these murders. Shoot at close range. Quote aim for 417 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: the head, preferably the eye sockets. If you are a 418 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: sharp shooter. Establish a ace at a motel in close 419 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: proximity to the job site before committing the murders. Farrell says, 420 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 1: pay cash, which James Perry did, and to check in 421 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: using a fictitious name. But this day's in had a 422 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: rule if paying with cash, he had to show your 423 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: I D. I guess the flaw is that he used 424 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: his correct identification. If he hadn't done that, do you 425 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: think you would have found him? I don't know. If 426 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: he used a phony name and had phony idea, I 427 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: don't know that we would have. One of the attorneys 428 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: I spoke with early on in this story said he 429 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: didn't want hit Man in his house. He compared it 430 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: to a loaded pistol or a vial of poison. I 431 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: know what he means. Hit Man sitting next to me 432 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: right now, and it does have a certain cloud around it. 433 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: I generally keep it in one place, and I don't 434 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: like it to touch other things in my office, almost 435 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: like it's some kind of contaminant. This book her lot 436 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: of people, we don't even really know how many. And 437 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: if this is a story about accountability, about who is 438 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: truly responsible when bad things happen, about who carries the 439 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: burden of remorse, there's still someone who's never spoken about 440 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: their role in all of it. One day, buried in 441 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: something like five pages of court documents that a lawyer 442 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: emailed me, I finally came across some correspondence between Paladin 443 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: and Professional Killer. Rex Ferrell, the editorial director of Paladin, 444 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: was writing, with good news enclosed, you will find two 445 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: copies of the contract for hit Man, a technical manual 446 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: for independent contractors. Signed two copies with a witness, and 447 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: returned both to us. I was about to get my 448 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: first glimpse of the person behind the book. Here's what 449 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: he wrote back to Paladin. My main concern in offering 450 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: this type of material for publication is the possibility of 451 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: litigation from people who might misuse the materials in my books. 452 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: So the real Rex Ferrell might have had a conscience. 453 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: After all, it's easy to speculate what Ferrell's intentions were 454 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: in writing hit Man. To some, it's not a question. 455 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean he wrote a murder manual to others. It 456 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: reads his entertainment or a joke, a joke that James 457 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: Perry might have used to murder three people. But after 458 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: reading through this exchange, at least one thing becomes clear 459 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: about Ferrell Again, he writes, by the way, an answer 460 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: to your question and that of Mr Land. I get 461 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: my materials from books, television, movies, newspapers, police officers, my 462 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: karate instructor, and a good friend who is an attorney. No, 463 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: I am not a hit man. I don't even own 464 00:29:50,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: a gun, but don't tell anybody. Yeah, next on hit Man, 465 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: my dad stole everything. I knew in my heart of 466 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: hearts that he was involved. He destroyed my life like 467 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: my family was gone. It's never been the same for me. 468 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: We all knew, did it? So we knew it was 469 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: Lawrence Horn. I mean, I knew who else who would 470 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 1: have benefited from Trevor Due Who would walk in the 471 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: house and kill an innocent child. At the time that 472 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: you married Billie Murray, did you love her? H No. 473 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: Hit Man is a production of My Heart Radio and 474 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: Hit Home Media. It's produced and reported by me Jasmine Morris, 475 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 1: our supervising producer is Michelle Lance. Mark Luto is our 476 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: story consultant. Executive producers are Mangesh Hattikador and Me. 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