WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Lost Boy Larry 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:16.079 Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:22.240 things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, everyone 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:28.360 thinking Sideways the podcast again as always. Yeah, I'm Devin, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.200 joined by Joe and Steve. As we pointed to each 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.839 other saying you're it Steves jump of the gun, but 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.600 not our real names. So tonight, Godzilla Factor fiction no 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:50.559 prepare for the onslaught of requests, so please actually do that. Yeah, 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.440 thanks Joe. Thanks. There was a documentary made in Japan 0:00:54.480 --> 0:01:00.480 in the fifties. But anyway, yeah, I remember, Yeah, I 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.160 was live in the fifties. So we're gonna do a 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.520 listener suggestion tonight, so peremptively. Thanks Teresa, I think is 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:14.960 how you say your name? Maybe it's Teresa. I'm neither. Yeah, 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.960 so one of you, two ladies, thank you, maybe both, 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.800 I don't know. We're going to talk about, Oh, it's 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.800 mostly just a story we're gonna talk about tonight. There's 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.880 not really theories, and I'm just gonna tell a story, 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.520 pretty much the story of a boy, a boy named Larry. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.920 And that's kind of a sad story. Maybe this is 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.120 like the second time that I've done kind of just 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:40.679 a really sad story. About you always episodes. HI like 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.360 upbeat things. I am a positive person, Steve, We're going 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:50.560 to beat up this story, okay. Larry, the Lost Boy, 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.320 the Lost Boil Larry. On August seven, nineteen seventy three, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:59.440 CB radio operators in California picked up a strange transmission. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.440 It was a cry for help coming from what I 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.280 guess they soon found out was a seven year old 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.240 boy who said his name was Larry. Larry said that 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.079 he was stuck in an overturned truck in a ditch 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.800 and unable to get out. His father, who had been 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.640 driving the truck and by most reports, had taken him 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:23.360 hunting that day, was either injured or dead, depending on 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.440 what version of the story you read, or it's also 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.600 it's it's a little unclear, maybe that Larry just didn't know. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.239 It sounds like there's a little bit of interpretation, and 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.160 and I'm sure once we talk a little more about 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.520 Larry that will kind of make itself. There is there 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.520 is some interpretation happening here either way. Larry's transmissions were 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.160 fairly sporadic. They faded in and out, and operators as 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:50.320 far as Canada picked up his transmissions. And you know, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.880 I don't really understand how CEBE radio works very well. 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.480 But that's a fairly large sprawl, I think, from southern 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:02.040 California to Canada at AUM And we can talk about 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.280 that more later. You know, you gotta talk anything about 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.919 the phenomenon known as skipping. I was gonna let you 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.720 talk a little bit about that because I think you 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.320 probably have a better handle on it than I do. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.760 But suffice to say for now, apparently the fluctuations could 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.400 be attributed to atmospheric phenomenon, a feeding battery, or this 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.800 skipping situation. Yeah, the skipping. That's that's one of one 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.160 of the things is that's that's a kind of an 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.679 intermittent situation. It has to has to do what's what's 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.160 going on in the eeonosphere, and so as that change, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.480 as conditions change, and you know, suddenly the skipping that 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.119 occurred a minute before it goes away, it comes back. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.680 So anyright, but back to your story. When asked, Larry 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.760 couldn't tell anyone what he had last seen before the 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:47.720 truck flipped over. He couldn't tell anybody apparently where he lived, 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.360 what his last name was, or a phone number, anything 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.400 that would have helped authorities identify him or locate where 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.920 he was. Larry said he had no food or water, 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.120 and the CB operator CB, I guess I should clarify 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:06.520 CB stands for Citizens Band Radio. So these were just 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.720 amateur operators that picked it up initially. UM, and these 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:16.680 amateur operators, being concerned normal human beings, called the police somehow, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:21.280 and I'm still not totally sure how they figured out, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:28.159 maybe with triangulation or something, that uh, Larry's signal was 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:32.480 coming from somewhere close to Albuquerque, New Mexico, of course, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.279 now better known as the location of the One who knocks. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:41.520 If you get that, I get it. That's all that's important. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:45.280 It's fine. Uh So in the days that followed, fairly 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:50.520 massive search started. They were hundreds of volunteers, police, and 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:55.360 planes coming through the mountains that they thought the transmissions 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.880 were coming from. But, of course, as one would expect, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.640 since this radio that Larry had access to was in 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.279 a truck that was no longer running, his battery started 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.680 to fade, so his transmissions became more and more sporadic. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:15.400 His signal was fading. They couldn't really track it, which 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.039 is obviously a pretty big bummer in terms of being 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.800 able to find him. It would have been nice if 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.840 Larry could have given him a few hints, like looked 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.040 at the wind shield, because you know, he had to 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.160 he had to have known where did they go into 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.560 the ditch, like in the desert or in the in 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.520 the mountains, in the forests. You know, you could have 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.720 given them some some big old clues. But it kind 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.039 of Larry was kind of useless. He was pretty useless. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.320 And we're going to talk about that in a minute. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.800 You know, the newspapers and TV shows, even though it 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.880 isn't a twenty for our news cycle yet, are still, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.320 of course, you know, gripping onto this story because it's 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.640 it's fairly large news. This is great news, it's really 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:58.799 great news. Oddly, no one had any kind of serious, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.240 credible reports about out a husband and son, brother and nephew, neighbor, 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.520 or anyone else missing that matched this description. There was 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:12.120 one report that said a family had gone missing, but 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.240 it was a whole family, a mother and a father 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.800 and a couple of kids, one of whom was named Larry. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.400 But they found they found them a couple of days later, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.279 and it was a whole family. It wasn't a truck 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.440 on a hunting trip. And because of this publicity in 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:32.040 the nineteen seventies, versions of whatever trolls are came out 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.680 to play. And this is kind of a sad part 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.200 of this story. You know, everybody, a lot of people 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.359 have cbe radios or just like walkie talkies with broadcast 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:47.000 on the same frequency, I believe, and people started filling 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.640 the airwaves with copycat please uh. And also some taunts. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.440 There are some reports of people yelling, Larry, You're going 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.560 to die out there, and you know, stuff like that. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.320 Really really kind hearted human being. Yeah. You know, actually 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.120 if this was if this was a hoax, then it 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:06.680 could have been a whole group of cb ors. We 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.880 knew each other. Yeah, so it could have been that, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.400 you know, the whole thing could have been engineered. It's 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.400 an inside joke. Yeah, it was just a big inside 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.720 It was code for bringing beer to the house. Yeah, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.920 I'm out of whiskey, moonshine. It was you know, we're 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.520 moving the shipment over the border tonight, Albuquerque, New Mexico. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.320 It's right there. Um. And actually, Joe brings up a 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.480 good point. We haven't we've you know, kind of hinted 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.880 at the fact that it kind of came out that 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.280 this may may have been a hoax. As this story 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:41.120 went on, Larry was remaining unable to give any kind 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.600 of helpful details, and all these other copycats are coming 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:51.080 into play. Since authorities had very little proof that Larry 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.920 was in fact real, they eventually decided that it was 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:59.120 a hoax and called off the search on August tenth, ninete. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.280 So this is um three days after the initial contact 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.680 was made. The New York Times actually ran a little 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.720 I guess snippet on this story, and I thought that 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.800 it was probably one of the best little STAPs of 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.840 what was actually going on at the time. So of Joe, 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.280 if you wouldn't mind my Walter cronk, I boys, here, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.840 can you put in the glasses too? I can't read 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:26.680 with my glasses on, believe it or not, So okay, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.520 here we go boys. A very scared boy on August nine, 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:34.000 resumes broadcasting on the Citizens band radio frequency in foothills 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.240 of central New Mexico. Searchers say they are closing in 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.120 on area where seven year old is believed to be 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.040 lost in his father's pickup truck. Boy, who says his 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.640 first name is Larry, told rescuers in August eighth that 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.480 he and his father were in accident and that his 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.360 father is dead. Three pilots reports sighting truck and Red 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.880 Rock Canyon area on east side of Manzano Mountains, southeast 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:59.600 of Albuquerque. Helicopter is dispatched to area. Army search plan 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.480 had archard transmission from Boy during night that led searches 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.920 to hills. Sergeant W. A. Schmidt says searchers lost contact 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.280 with Boy for several hours and presume that he had 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.280 either gone to sleep or battery of his radio had 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.920 gone dead. Says its searchers have not this kind of 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.600 possibility of hoax. Over a hundred persons using radio monitors 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.439 and directional finders are searching foothills. That was the tenth 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:25.079 and on August twelve, Larry signal just went silent. They 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.720 had a few week leads, but with the number of 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.560 people hopping on and copying, giving false information or otherwise 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.880 muddling everything, getting in the mix because they thought it 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.120 was fun. Yeah, I think the police declared that it 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.240 was a hoax and stopped the search, just called the 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.720 whole thing off. And I guess for me it's a 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.600 bit disturbing because even like the with with our episode 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.400 on the ferries. You know, that was a massive hoax. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:59.680 Um and people tend to claim responsibility for their hoaxes usually, 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:05.360 but nobody has ever well, one person, one time, super 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.120 unconvincingly claimed that they that this was a hoax and 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.760 that they did it. But that the only persons who 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.680 person who's ever claimed responsibility for this maybe being a hoax. 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.800 And to me that's fairly disturbing because it makes me 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.280 believe more that it wasn't a hoax. I don't know. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:23.760 I mean, if I had committed this hoax, I don't 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.720 think I've confessed to because a lot of people would 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:27.559 be really angry. And who knows. I mean, probably the 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:32.160 statute of limitations has expired, but totally by this time. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.840 But obviously in the weeks and months immediately after that, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.560 or even a few years after that, you probably could 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.400 still be arrested for something like this, sure, but I 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.240 mean probably not years, right, I think. I don't think 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:48.040 that was a lot of manpower that police forces in 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.000 the military. That's a big cost. That's true. A lot 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.240 of people are gonna be angry. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.840 I hadn't really thought of that. The one of the 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:02.440 amateur CB operators that was sing the whole time said quote, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.920 I personally have never had any doubt that this is 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.920 the real thing. I heard the kid crying. I just 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.720 can't believe it isn't the real thing, And that sentiment 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:15.520 his echoed fairly strongly throughout people who actually heard the broadcasts. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.480 There was a police chief who spoke to Larry for 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.360 a long time, for I think three hours or something 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.400 like that. He didn't get any useful information, but he 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.280 also didn't seem to think it was a hoax. And 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.920 I think that's that's a really interesting thing for somebody 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.680 to say, is you know, this seven year old child 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.000 who should be able to provide me with some kind 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.960 of helpful information couldn't. But I still don't think it's 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.360 a hoax. I think it's real. So I think that's 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.360 very interesting. And I think one of the things that 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.480 I haven't seen, which will discuss a little bit more, 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.560 is reasons why Larry maybe couldn't not that he wasn't 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.800 willing to give information, but maybe that he actually couldn't 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.560 give him. There's actually a lot of good reasons. I 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.280 think so too. Um So there's some extra little fringe 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.520 tidbits about Larry or I guess the story. Most of 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.880 the reports have Larry stuck inside the truck, which makes sense, right, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.040 that's the whole reason he's calling for help and you know, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.600 can't say, oh yeah, I'm in the middle of a 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.920 desert things like that. But there's one report that I 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.960 read that said the Larry claimed to have been outside 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.400 the truck with a skinned knee. I don't really put 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.600 a lot of stock into that. And also there was 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.319 one Another variation is that he was they flipped over 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.320 and went went into a ditch, which is why the 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.320 doors were jamsht. Well, that's the That's the version that 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.320 I hear the most, is that it was in a ditch, 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.280 so he couldn't look out the window and say I'm 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.360 seeing this. It was just dirt. He couldn't get out 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.400 because of that. The truck was in a ravine, flipped 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.320 over and he rolled into ravine. Oh, I guess I 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:57.839 wasn't reading carefully enough. Like one sentence difference. It's very 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.559 hard sometimes to find all these things. Other other accounts 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.040 say that Larry may have actually answered to either David 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.880 or Larry, that maybe his name was David, not Larry. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.520 Which I think I generally read in conjunction with the 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.920 this is a hoax theories, um, like somebody slipped up 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.319 once when they were making the hopes, Yeah, their name 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.240 was actually David accidentally said it. Yeah. They also apparently 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.200 there are some stories, some tellings where the last name 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.720 Peak pe a k was in the peak of a mountain, yeah, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.480 is attached to his name. So he's either Larry Peak 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:41.920 or David Peak. I don't. I couldn't find a good 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.600 source for that. It may have been. You know, there 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.199 are a lot of at the time, like tiny little 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.280 newspaper clippings that are floating around the internet, and I 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.320 got to be honest, I did not read all fifty 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:59.079 of them. So maybe a sentence change like or like one, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.120 you know, the addition of one last name, And I don't. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.120 I don't have a good answer for why that is. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.719 I also just want to go ahead and point out 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:12.000 again that theoretically he was in New Mexico in late August, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.800 it's super hot there. If he was stuck in a 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:21.400 truck with no water, food, reality is he didn't last 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.520 more than a day or two at best, Yeah, at best. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.040 So I just want to go ahead and talk about 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.640 that for a second, just mention it. And so I 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.760 guess we're left with the two options, right, is that 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.480 either it was a hoax or it wasn't a hoax. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.520 And I think both of them are awful choices. In 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.440 my mind, neither of those are good choices, Like either 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.520 a seven year old boy died alone and scared, basically 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.920 just cooked to death inside of a truck next next 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.920 to his dead dad while people were like, you're gonna die, Larry, right, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.880 or somebody was like, oh, you would be a funny prank. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.440 And if I pretended to be a seven year old 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.800 cooking alive next to their dead father in a truck, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.760 good job on making the trolls if this is real 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.440 sounding like even bigger jerks, well they are jerks. Well yeah, 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.280 they're totally jerks. But way to go on upping the 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.000 anti on that guy. Yeah. The thing about this this 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.880 time period two is like the the early mid seventies 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.920 was the time of the CB craze in America, so 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.280 a lot more people had CBS back in those days. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.400 And well, yeah, think of how many Burt Reynold movies 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.280 came out at that time where he was always on 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.280 the CB Yeah, there's all these trucker movies. Everybody had 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.320 a CD or CB. My mom had a car with 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.960 the CB radio and it for crime And he say, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:46.240 yeah everybody, Yeah, we all did. They were everywhere. Yeah, 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.320 we all did. Like the phone the seventies, Yeah, like 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.200 the you know what else was really cool from that 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.080 time period of eight track tapes. Yeah, I remember those 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:05.000 two eight track tapes. Yeah. Uh stop it. So, I mean, 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.760 you know, I said already. Everybody pretty much who heard 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.640 Larry was fairly convinced that he was real. I mean, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.240 the police kind of were faced with a no choice. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.440 You know, there's so many hoaxes going around. We don't 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.960 have any good information it's a hoax. But most of 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.720 the people who talked with Larry said, no, this is 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.640 this is a real small boy who's just scared and 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.040 alone and you know, stuck somewhere and we got to 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.240 help him. Um. He was able to describe the truck 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.000 he was in. He said it was a red truck 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.360 with a white camper attached to the back of it. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.880 He knew his name was Larry, he knew he had 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.440 been on a hunting trip, but he didn't know what 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.000 city he lived in or what his last name was, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:55.240 which actually, to me makes some sense if you're I mean, okay, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.320 so it's the seventies, like, do you have your seatbel fastened? Well? 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.480 Maybe maybe not right. If you're in a truck that 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.080 gets flipped over and you whang the heck out of 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.600 your head as a seven year old kid, the possibility 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.960 for you to just forget everything, in my mind is 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.920 fairly high. I mean, like, no, am I saying that 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.399 he's going to survive something like that for very long? No? 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.200 But you know he only had a couple of days 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:29.760 and water and food. And your inclination is to say, well, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.680 he's going to forget things like what colored the truck 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.840 is first, But he's sitting in the truck and he 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.399 can probably see parts of it. Right, he's going to 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.720 forget that he was on a camping trip. Well maybe not. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.800 Maybe what he is going to forget, maybe where the 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.680 bleed in his brain is is in his older memories. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.199 Maybe his name wasn't Larry. Maybe he just thought his 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.480 name was Larry. Maybe you know, maybe he just made 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.640 up a name that he thought was there. Maybe seven, 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.680 maybe he was thirty five, Maybe he was the father 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.560 kidding Actually it's kind of plausible when you think about 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.480 a head injury. But you know, so for me, I 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.359 guess I have I don't have a huge amount of 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:12.159 trouble seeing how something like that could affect someone's memory. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.959 If you're in a horrible car crash, it happens all 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.640 the time, but you get hospitalized because you get care. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.000 You know. The other thing that that I would jump 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.960 in here to say is when was the last time 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.160 either of you had a conversation with a seven year 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:29.280 old and how fleeting is their memory? Well? Yeah, but 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.480 you know when I was seven, I you know, I 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.480 knew my I knew my full name, and I knew 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.120 the city I lived in. But there was a lot 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:40.000 of times where you had that information in your brain. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:46.240 But your seven, it's not easily retrieved. And think about 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.160 what little kids that get lost in the mall are, 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.160 Like we all hear these stories and this kid whose 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.920 seven gets lost in the mall and they say, what's 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.840 your name? I don't know, what's your mom's name, I 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.040 don't know where do you? They don't know because they're panicked, 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.720 and it's it just kind it shuts that kind of 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.879 cognisant recalled down well yeah, but sooner or later, you know, 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.520 you can only flood your body with adrenaline for so long, 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.479 and then and then you come down off of that 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.119 and you and you know, sort of gather your wits together. 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.160 Even a seven year old, I think, sooner or later 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:25.560 would calm down and assess the situation, realized that panicking 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.359 is not really helping, and that what he needs to 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.440 do is get some useful information to these people that 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.399 he's talking to. You're assigning a lot of adult thought 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.159 to a seven year old brain. I have hung around 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.119 seven year olds who were completely and totally irrational, and 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.680 it's only because of the fact that there's seven. They 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.520 don't they don't think about that. You know. They get 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.800 caughts and flights of fancy and panic and they just 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.800 get all kinds of worked up. And it's easy, especially 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.240 if dad is lying next to you and you don't 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.480 know what's wrong with dad. That's going to continually cause panic. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.320 But I know seven year olds, they're they're just not 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.399 real good with a lot of that details because they're seven. Yeah. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.600 The other thing about seven year olds is they get 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:09.159 often super cranky and panicked when they get tired. And 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.480 if you're you know, steaming alive in a car, no 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.639 food or water. I mean really, if you know, and 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.960 you're panicking because your dad there and you can't get out, 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.280 and you're tired and you're thirsty, and people are like 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.720 yelling all different things to you, and people are like 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.080 everybody's just asking you questions. I can understand how he 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:31.560 would be a little freaked out. And I don't know. 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.119 I don't, I don't know, I don't know. I just 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.560 want my mommy. I just you know, Yeah, it's very understandable, 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.000 I think. So. So here's here's I don't I don't 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.360 want to, I don't want to get off topic too much, 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.600 but I do just want to try and understand something 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.840 because Joe, you seem to understand it better than I do. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.280 Is is if we're going to flip back to how 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.199 so many people heard this and maybe this was a 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.560 trolling situation. Yeah, so how does you gave kind of 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.320 a basic explanation, But how does this skipping thing really happened? 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.680 Because I couldn't get a good handle on it. Yeah, 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.200 and now the way it works is uh, And I'm 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.560 not a scientist. I don't understand it completely, but essentially 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:14.120 it's it's you always talk about the Yeah, I don't 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:18.440 know Chupacapa is real. So anyway, so the iodostre, which 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.280 is I don't know what about fifty three miles after 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.719 about two sixty miles on the surface of the Earth. Uh, 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.080 it's called the atmosphere because it's filled with ions, and apparently, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.359 especially particularly when the sun is going through high periods 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.800 of high sun spot activity, there's a lot of coronal 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:36.800 flares and things like that. It sends a lot of 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.000 ionized particles towards the Earth and that they collect in 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.120 the aist and they charge in a certain way that 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.199 makes it conducive. Essentially, radio waves traveling up in the 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.320 surface at forty five degree angle are refracted and bent 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:53.440 around down and according to one website I looked at, uh, 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.679 sometimes it can actually reradiate the radio signals, so it 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.800 picks up the charge from the radio signal, reradiates downward 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:06.400 back to the surface, and so apparently that can happen. Yeah, 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:08.800 But in other case, is it just basically goes up 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.919 as refracted back downwards, bounces off the ground, goes up 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:15.000 as refracted back downwards, and so there have been cases 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.240 of people skipping like halfway around the world, people in 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.400 the US talking to people in Australia on CBS. But 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:25.000 they say most of the people that do that usually 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:29.080 they're they're they're using home based stations, and a lot 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:30.399 of them, a lot of people. Even though you're not 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.159 supposed to operate over four watts on a CB, you 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:37.359 can actually get amplifiers and supercharge your CB, and so 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.280 you're a lot more likely to be able to do 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.399 skipping and be actually be heard, you know, for hundreds 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.000 and hundreds of miles away, because you're your average CB 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:49.879 is very very limited line of sight range. Oh you know. Okay, 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.040 so you just brought up a very good point which 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:57.880 suddenly makes me doubt this whole story. Absolutely valid point 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.760 that I've never seen anywhere. You say, you've got to 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.520 have an antenna, Yeah, which this guy, which this kid 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.480 didn't have, because the truck is upside down. If the 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.639 truck is upside down, the antenna is likely broke or 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:17.880