1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, everyone 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: thinking Sideways the podcast again as always. Yeah, I'm Devin, 4 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: joined by Joe and Steve. As we pointed to each 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: other saying you're it Steves jump of the gun, but 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: not our real names. So tonight, Godzilla Factor fiction no 7 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: prepare for the onslaught of requests, so please actually do that. Yeah, 8 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: thanks Joe. Thanks. There was a documentary made in Japan 9 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: in the fifties. But anyway, yeah, I remember, Yeah, I 10 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: was live in the fifties. So we're gonna do a 11 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: listener suggestion tonight, so peremptively. Thanks Teresa, I think is 12 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: how you say your name? Maybe it's Teresa. I'm neither. Yeah, 13 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: so one of you, two ladies, thank you, maybe both, 14 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're going to talk about, Oh, it's 15 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: mostly just a story we're gonna talk about tonight. There's 16 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: not really theories, and I'm just gonna tell a story, 17 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: pretty much the story of a boy, a boy named Larry. 18 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: And that's kind of a sad story. Maybe this is 19 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: like the second time that I've done kind of just 20 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: a really sad story. About you always episodes. HI like 21 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: upbeat things. I am a positive person, Steve, We're going 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: to beat up this story, okay. Larry, the Lost Boy, 23 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: the Lost Boil Larry. On August seven, nineteen seventy three, 24 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: CB radio operators in California picked up a strange transmission. 25 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: It was a cry for help coming from what I 26 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: guess they soon found out was a seven year old 27 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: boy who said his name was Larry. Larry said that 28 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: he was stuck in an overturned truck in a ditch 29 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: and unable to get out. His father, who had been 30 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: driving the truck and by most reports, had taken him 31 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: hunting that day, was either injured or dead, depending on 32 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: what version of the story you read, or it's also 33 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a little unclear, maybe that Larry just didn't know. 34 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: It sounds like there's a little bit of interpretation, and 35 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: and I'm sure once we talk a little more about 36 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: Larry that will kind of make itself. There is there 37 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: is some interpretation happening here either way. Larry's transmissions were 38 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: fairly sporadic. They faded in and out, and operators as 39 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: far as Canada picked up his transmissions. And you know, 40 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't really understand how CEBE radio works very well. 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: But that's a fairly large sprawl, I think, from southern 42 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: California to Canada at AUM And we can talk about 43 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: that more later. You know, you gotta talk anything about 44 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: the phenomenon known as skipping. I was gonna let you 45 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that because I think you 46 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: probably have a better handle on it than I do. 47 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: But suffice to say for now, apparently the fluctuations could 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: be attributed to atmospheric phenomenon, a feeding battery, or this 49 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: skipping situation. Yeah, the skipping. That's that's one of one 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: of the things is that's that's a kind of an 51 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: intermittent situation. It has to has to do what's what's 52 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: going on in the eeonosphere, and so as that change, 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: as conditions change, and you know, suddenly the skipping that 54 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: occurred a minute before it goes away, it comes back. 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: So anyright, but back to your story. When asked, Larry 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: couldn't tell anyone what he had last seen before the 57 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: truck flipped over. He couldn't tell anybody apparently where he lived, 58 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: what his last name was, or a phone number, anything 59 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: that would have helped authorities identify him or locate where 60 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: he was. Larry said he had no food or water, 61 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: and the CB operator CB, I guess I should clarify 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: CB stands for Citizens Band Radio. So these were just 63 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: amateur operators that picked it up initially. UM, and these 64 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: amateur operators, being concerned normal human beings, called the police somehow, 65 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: and I'm still not totally sure how they figured out, 66 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: maybe with triangulation or something, that uh, Larry's signal was 67 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: coming from somewhere close to Albuquerque, New Mexico, of course, 68 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: now better known as the location of the One who knocks. 69 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: If you get that, I get it. That's all that's important. 70 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: It's fine. Uh So in the days that followed, fairly 71 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: massive search started. They were hundreds of volunteers, police, and 72 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: planes coming through the mountains that they thought the transmissions 73 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: were coming from. But, of course, as one would expect, 74 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: since this radio that Larry had access to was in 75 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: a truck that was no longer running, his battery started 76 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: to fade, so his transmissions became more and more sporadic. 77 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: His signal was fading. They couldn't really track it, which 78 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: is obviously a pretty big bummer in terms of being 79 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: able to find him. It would have been nice if 80 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: Larry could have given him a few hints, like looked 81 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: at the wind shield, because you know, he had to 82 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: he had to have known where did they go into 83 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: the ditch, like in the desert or in the in 84 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: the mountains, in the forests. You know, you could have 85 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: given them some some big old clues. But it kind 86 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: of Larry was kind of useless. He was pretty useless. 87 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about that in a minute. 88 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: You know, the newspapers and TV shows, even though it 89 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: isn't a twenty for our news cycle yet, are still, 90 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: of course, you know, gripping onto this story because it's 91 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: it's fairly large news. This is great news, it's really 92 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: great news. Oddly, no one had any kind of serious, 93 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: credible reports about out a husband and son, brother and nephew, neighbor, 94 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: or anyone else missing that matched this description. There was 95 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: one report that said a family had gone missing, but 96 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: it was a whole family, a mother and a father 97 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: and a couple of kids, one of whom was named Larry. 98 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: But they found they found them a couple of days later, 99 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: and it was a whole family. It wasn't a truck 100 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: on a hunting trip. And because of this publicity in 101 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, versions of whatever trolls are came out 102 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: to play. And this is kind of a sad part 103 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: of this story. You know, everybody, a lot of people 104 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: have cbe radios or just like walkie talkies with broadcast 105 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: on the same frequency, I believe, and people started filling 106 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: the airwaves with copycat please uh. And also some taunts. 107 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: There are some reports of people yelling, Larry, You're going 108 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: to die out there, and you know, stuff like that. 109 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Really really kind hearted human being. Yeah. You know, actually 110 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: if this was if this was a hoax, then it 111 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: could have been a whole group of cb ors. We 112 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: knew each other. Yeah, so it could have been that, 113 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing could have been engineered. It's 114 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: an inside joke. Yeah, it was just a big inside 115 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: It was code for bringing beer to the house. Yeah, 116 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm out of whiskey, moonshine. It was you know, we're 117 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: moving the shipment over the border tonight, Albuquerque, New Mexico. 118 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: It's right there. Um. And actually, Joe brings up a 119 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: good point. We haven't we've you know, kind of hinted 120 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: at the fact that it kind of came out that 121 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: this may may have been a hoax. As this story 122 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: went on, Larry was remaining unable to give any kind 123 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: of helpful details, and all these other copycats are coming 124 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: into play. Since authorities had very little proof that Larry 125 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: was in fact real, they eventually decided that it was 126 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: a hoax and called off the search on August tenth, ninete. 127 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: So this is um three days after the initial contact 128 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: was made. The New York Times actually ran a little 129 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: I guess snippet on this story, and I thought that 130 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: it was probably one of the best little STAPs of 131 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: what was actually going on at the time. So of Joe, 132 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: if you wouldn't mind my Walter cronk, I boys, here, 133 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: can you put in the glasses too? I can't read 134 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: with my glasses on, believe it or not, So okay, 135 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: here we go boys. A very scared boy on August nine, 136 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: resumes broadcasting on the Citizens band radio frequency in foothills 137 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: of central New Mexico. Searchers say they are closing in 138 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: on area where seven year old is believed to be 139 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: lost in his father's pickup truck. Boy, who says his 140 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: first name is Larry, told rescuers in August eighth that 141 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: he and his father were in accident and that his 142 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: father is dead. Three pilots reports sighting truck and Red 143 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: Rock Canyon area on east side of Manzano Mountains, southeast 144 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: of Albuquerque. Helicopter is dispatched to area. Army search plan 145 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: had archard transmission from Boy during night that led searches 146 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: to hills. Sergeant W. A. Schmidt says searchers lost contact 147 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: with Boy for several hours and presume that he had 148 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: either gone to sleep or battery of his radio had 149 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: gone dead. Says its searchers have not this kind of 150 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: possibility of hoax. Over a hundred persons using radio monitors 151 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: and directional finders are searching foothills. That was the tenth 152 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: and on August twelve, Larry signal just went silent. They 153 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: had a few week leads, but with the number of 154 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: people hopping on and copying, giving false information or otherwise 155 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: muddling everything, getting in the mix because they thought it 156 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: was fun. Yeah, I think the police declared that it 157 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: was a hoax and stopped the search, just called the 158 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: whole thing off. And I guess for me it's a 159 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: bit disturbing because even like the with with our episode 160 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: on the ferries. You know, that was a massive hoax. 161 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: Um and people tend to claim responsibility for their hoaxes usually, 162 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: but nobody has ever well, one person, one time, super 163 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: unconvincingly claimed that they that this was a hoax and 164 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: that they did it. But that the only persons who 165 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: person who's ever claimed responsibility for this maybe being a hoax. 166 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: And to me that's fairly disturbing because it makes me 167 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: believe more that it wasn't a hoax. I don't know. 168 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if I had committed this hoax, I don't 169 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: think I've confessed to because a lot of people would 170 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: be really angry. And who knows. I mean, probably the 171 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: statute of limitations has expired, but totally by this time. 172 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: But obviously in the weeks and months immediately after that, 173 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: or even a few years after that, you probably could 174 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: still be arrested for something like this, sure, but I 175 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: mean probably not years, right, I think. I don't think 176 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: that was a lot of manpower that police forces in 177 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: the military. That's a big cost. That's true. A lot 178 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: of people are gonna be angry. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. 179 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought of that. The one of the 180 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: amateur CB operators that was sing the whole time said quote, 181 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: I personally have never had any doubt that this is 182 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: the real thing. I heard the kid crying. I just 183 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: can't believe it isn't the real thing, And that sentiment 184 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: his echoed fairly strongly throughout people who actually heard the broadcasts. 185 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: There was a police chief who spoke to Larry for 186 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: a long time, for I think three hours or something 187 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: like that. He didn't get any useful information, but he 188 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: also didn't seem to think it was a hoax. And 189 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a really interesting thing for somebody 190 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: to say, is you know, this seven year old child 191 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: who should be able to provide me with some kind 192 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: of helpful information couldn't. But I still don't think it's 193 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: a hoax. I think it's real. So I think that's 194 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: very interesting. And I think one of the things that 195 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: I haven't seen, which will discuss a little bit more, 196 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: is reasons why Larry maybe couldn't not that he wasn't 197 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: willing to give information, but maybe that he actually couldn't 198 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: give him. There's actually a lot of good reasons. I 199 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: think so too. Um So there's some extra little fringe 200 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: tidbits about Larry or I guess the story. Most of 201 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: the reports have Larry stuck inside the truck, which makes sense, right, 202 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: that's the whole reason he's calling for help and you know, 203 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: can't say, oh yeah, I'm in the middle of a 204 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: desert things like that. But there's one report that I 205 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: read that said the Larry claimed to have been outside 206 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: the truck with a skinned knee. I don't really put 207 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: a lot of stock into that. And also there was 208 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: one Another variation is that he was they flipped over 209 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: and went went into a ditch, which is why the 210 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: doors were jamsht. Well, that's the That's the version that 211 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: I hear the most, is that it was in a ditch, 212 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: so he couldn't look out the window and say I'm 213 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: seeing this. It was just dirt. He couldn't get out 214 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: because of that. The truck was in a ravine, flipped 215 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: over and he rolled into ravine. Oh, I guess I 216 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: wasn't reading carefully enough. Like one sentence difference. It's very 217 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: hard sometimes to find all these things. Other other accounts 218 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: say that Larry may have actually answered to either David 219 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: or Larry, that maybe his name was David, not Larry. 220 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: Which I think I generally read in conjunction with the 221 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: this is a hoax theories, um, like somebody slipped up 222 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: once when they were making the hopes, Yeah, their name 223 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: was actually David accidentally said it. Yeah. They also apparently 224 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: there are some stories, some tellings where the last name 225 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: Peak pe a k was in the peak of a mountain, yeah, 226 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: is attached to his name. So he's either Larry Peak 227 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: or David Peak. I don't. I couldn't find a good 228 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: source for that. It may have been. You know, there 229 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: are a lot of at the time, like tiny little 230 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: newspaper clippings that are floating around the internet, and I 231 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: got to be honest, I did not read all fifty 232 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: of them. So maybe a sentence change like or like one, 233 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, the addition of one last name, And I don't. 234 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't have a good answer for why that is. 235 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: I also just want to go ahead and point out 236 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: again that theoretically he was in New Mexico in late August, 237 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: it's super hot there. If he was stuck in a 238 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: truck with no water, food, reality is he didn't last 239 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: more than a day or two at best, Yeah, at best. 240 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: So I just want to go ahead and talk about 241 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: that for a second, just mention it. And so I 242 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: guess we're left with the two options, right, is that 243 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: either it was a hoax or it wasn't a hoax. 244 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: And I think both of them are awful choices. In 245 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: my mind, neither of those are good choices, Like either 246 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: a seven year old boy died alone and scared, basically 247 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: just cooked to death inside of a truck next next 248 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: to his dead dad while people were like, you're gonna die, Larry, right, 249 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: or somebody was like, oh, you would be a funny prank. 250 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: And if I pretended to be a seven year old 251 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: cooking alive next to their dead father in a truck, 252 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: good job on making the trolls if this is real 253 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: sounding like even bigger jerks, well they are jerks. Well yeah, 254 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: they're totally jerks. But way to go on upping the 255 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: anti on that guy. Yeah. The thing about this this 256 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: time period two is like the the early mid seventies 257 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: was the time of the CB craze in America, so 258 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: a lot more people had CBS back in those days. 259 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: And well, yeah, think of how many Burt Reynold movies 260 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: came out at that time where he was always on 261 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: the CB Yeah, there's all these trucker movies. Everybody had 262 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: a CD or CB. My mom had a car with 263 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: the CB radio and it for crime And he say, 264 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: yeah everybody, Yeah, we all did. They were everywhere. Yeah, 265 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: we all did. Like the phone the seventies, Yeah, like 266 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: the you know what else was really cool from that 267 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: time period of eight track tapes. Yeah, I remember those 268 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: two eight track tapes. Yeah. Uh stop it. So, I mean, 269 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, I said already. Everybody pretty much who heard 270 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: Larry was fairly convinced that he was real. I mean, 271 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: the police kind of were faced with a no choice. 272 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many hoaxes going around. We don't 273 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: have any good information it's a hoax. But most of 274 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: the people who talked with Larry said, no, this is 275 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: this is a real small boy who's just scared and 276 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: alone and you know, stuck somewhere and we got to 277 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: help him. Um. He was able to describe the truck 278 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: he was in. He said it was a red truck 279 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: with a white camper attached to the back of it. 280 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: He knew his name was Larry, he knew he had 281 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: been on a hunting trip, but he didn't know what 282 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: city he lived in or what his last name was, 283 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: which actually, to me makes some sense if you're I mean, okay, 284 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: so it's the seventies, like, do you have your seatbel fastened? Well? 285 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not right. If you're in a truck that 286 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: gets flipped over and you whang the heck out of 287 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: your head as a seven year old kid, the possibility 288 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: for you to just forget everything, in my mind is 289 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: fairly high. I mean, like, no, am I saying that 290 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: he's going to survive something like that for very long? No? 291 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: But you know he only had a couple of days 292 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: and water and food. And your inclination is to say, well, 293 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: he's going to forget things like what colored the truck 294 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: is first, But he's sitting in the truck and he 295 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: can probably see parts of it. Right, he's going to 296 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: forget that he was on a camping trip. Well maybe not. 297 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Maybe what he is going to forget, maybe where the 298 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: bleed in his brain is is in his older memories. 299 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: Maybe his name wasn't Larry. Maybe he just thought his 300 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: name was Larry. Maybe you know, maybe he just made 301 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: up a name that he thought was there. Maybe seven, 302 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: maybe he was thirty five, Maybe he was the father 303 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: kidding Actually it's kind of plausible when you think about 304 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: a head injury. But you know, so for me, I 305 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: guess I have I don't have a huge amount of 306 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: trouble seeing how something like that could affect someone's memory. 307 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: If you're in a horrible car crash, it happens all 308 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: the time, but you get hospitalized because you get care. 309 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: You know. The other thing that that I would jump 310 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: in here to say is when was the last time 311 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: either of you had a conversation with a seven year 312 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: old and how fleeting is their memory? Well? Yeah, but 313 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: you know when I was seven, I you know, I 314 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: knew my I knew my full name, and I knew 315 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: the city I lived in. But there was a lot 316 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: of times where you had that information in your brain. 317 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: But your seven, it's not easily retrieved. And think about 318 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: what little kids that get lost in the mall are, 319 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: Like we all hear these stories and this kid whose 320 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: seven gets lost in the mall and they say, what's 321 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: your name? I don't know, what's your mom's name, I 322 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: don't know where do you? They don't know because they're panicked, 323 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: and it's it just kind it shuts that kind of 324 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: cognisant recalled down well yeah, but sooner or later, you know, 325 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: you can only flood your body with adrenaline for so long, 326 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: and then and then you come down off of that 327 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: and you and you know, sort of gather your wits together. 328 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: Even a seven year old, I think, sooner or later 329 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: would calm down and assess the situation, realized that panicking 330 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: is not really helping, and that what he needs to 331 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: do is get some useful information to these people that 332 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: he's talking to. You're assigning a lot of adult thought 333 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: to a seven year old brain. I have hung around 334 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: seven year olds who were completely and totally irrational, and 335 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: it's only because of the fact that there's seven. They 336 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: don't they don't think about that. You know. They get 337 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: caughts and flights of fancy and panic and they just 338 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: get all kinds of worked up. And it's easy, especially 339 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: if dad is lying next to you and you don't 340 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: know what's wrong with dad. That's going to continually cause panic. 341 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: But I know seven year olds, they're they're just not 342 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: real good with a lot of that details because they're seven. Yeah. 343 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: The other thing about seven year olds is they get 344 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: often super cranky and panicked when they get tired. And 345 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: if you're you know, steaming alive in a car, no 346 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: food or water. I mean really, if you know, and 347 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: you're panicking because your dad there and you can't get out, 348 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: and you're tired and you're thirsty, and people are like 349 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: yelling all different things to you, and people are like 350 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: everybody's just asking you questions. I can understand how he 351 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: would be a little freaked out. And I don't know. 352 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, I don't know. I just 353 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: want my mommy. I just you know, Yeah, it's very understandable, 354 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: I think. So. So here's here's I don't I don't 355 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: want to, I don't want to get off topic too much, 356 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: but I do just want to try and understand something 357 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: because Joe, you seem to understand it better than I do. 358 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: Is is if we're going to flip back to how 359 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: so many people heard this and maybe this was a 360 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: trolling situation. Yeah, so how does you gave kind of 361 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: a basic explanation, But how does this skipping thing really happened? 362 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: Because I couldn't get a good handle on it. Yeah, 363 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: and now the way it works is uh, And I'm 364 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: not a scientist. I don't understand it completely, but essentially 365 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: it's it's you always talk about the Yeah, I don't 366 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: know Chupacapa is real. So anyway, so the iodostre, which 367 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: is I don't know what about fifty three miles after 368 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 1: about two sixty miles on the surface of the Earth. Uh, 369 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: it's called the atmosphere because it's filled with ions, and apparently, 370 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: especially particularly when the sun is going through high periods 371 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: of high sun spot activity, there's a lot of coronal 372 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: flares and things like that. It sends a lot of 373 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: ionized particles towards the Earth and that they collect in 374 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: the aist and they charge in a certain way that 375 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: makes it conducive. Essentially, radio waves traveling up in the 376 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: surface at forty five degree angle are refracted and bent 377 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: around down and according to one website I looked at, uh, 378 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: sometimes it can actually reradiate the radio signals, so it 379 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: picks up the charge from the radio signal, reradiates downward 380 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: back to the surface, and so apparently that can happen. Yeah, 381 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: But in other case, is it just basically goes up 382 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: as refracted back downwards, bounces off the ground, goes up 383 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: as refracted back downwards, and so there have been cases 384 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: of people skipping like halfway around the world, people in 385 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: the US talking to people in Australia on CBS. But 386 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: they say most of the people that do that usually 387 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: they're they're they're using home based stations, and a lot 388 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: of them, a lot of people. Even though you're not 389 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: supposed to operate over four watts on a CB, you 390 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: can actually get amplifiers and supercharge your CB, and so 391 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: you're a lot more likely to be able to do 392 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: skipping and be actually be heard, you know, for hundreds 393 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: and hundreds of miles away, because you're your average CB 394 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: is very very limited line of sight range. Oh you know. Okay, 395 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: so you just brought up a very good point which 396 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: suddenly makes me doubt this whole story. Absolutely valid point 397 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: that I've never seen anywhere. You say, you've got to 398 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: have an antenna, Yeah, which this guy, which this kid 399 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: didn't have, because the truck is upside down. If the 400 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: truck is upside down, the antenna is likely broke or 401 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: partially buried. Well, I hadn't even thought about that until 402 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: you said the booster tower. Yeah. So the next and 403 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: the next possibility after that, so so so obviously, if 404 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: it's if it's an in dash radio, if it's mounting 405 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: inside the truck, the radio is going to be completely 406 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: useless radio. But there's also a handheld CBS, but that 407 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't work either, because the kid's in a metal box 408 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: stell reflects radio waves, so the only the only place 409 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: that that those radio waves are gonna be able to 410 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: get out through is maybe through the windshield, possibly if 411 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: that's not all covered with dirt and blocked. The kid 412 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: was either in a ditch in a ditch or intervene 413 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: depending on what versions so, or outside with a skin kney. Yeah, 414 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: so a handheld CBE is like you know, the streetlights. 415 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: There's an antheld walkie talking had a c B, which, 416 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: under ideal conditions, so you're you're on a mountaintop and 417 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: the person you're talking to was on a mountaintop five 418 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: miles away, that handheld might make it the whole five 419 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: miles to the listener. But obviously this was less than 420 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: optimal conditions for Larry here. So it's really unlikely to 421 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: me that Larry even existed. This is why I don't 422 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: believe this story, because there's no way he could have 423 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: used either kind of CB to contact anybody, not unless 424 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: they were maybe a couple hundred yards away. Right, that's 425 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Um, So, yeah, that's a really 426 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: good point. Actually, yeah, so Larry didn't exist, did you 427 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: come across? There was one? There was some snippet, as 428 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: you said, in a snippets section. There's a snippet one 429 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: of the stories that I read about somebody tracking down 430 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: a kid with a handheld radio who was goofing or 431 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: CB that was goofing around two kids. And so I 432 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: just I wonder if that's maybe where it came from. 433 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: But how the heck did they triangulate this, that's what 434 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: he still I don't get it either. You know. The 435 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: one person who came forward and said, oh no, that 436 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: was me was this middle aged dude in the Midwest, 437 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: and he tried to prove that he had been the 438 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: prankster by doing Larry's voice for everyone, and apparently it 439 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: was just hilariously inaccurate that it was clearly like a 440 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: just a Midwestern dude trying to do like a scared 441 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: seven year old voice that just nobody really seemed to 442 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: believe it. And he was claiming to have been broadcasting 443 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: from the Midwest. And you know, again, I don't know 444 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: how they triangulated it. I don't know if there's a uh, 445 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: the actual ability to triangulate it, but you know, and 446 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if perhaps there's something lost in 447 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: the history of this, you know, if Larry didn't say, 448 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: oh it was desert when we flipped over, or if 449 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: you know, they were able to somehow track something. I 450 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: don't I don't know how they do that. I don't 451 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: know either. It could have it could have been somebody 452 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: actually driving around the area in a car with the 453 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: boosted CB UM maybe, but they would have had to 454 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: have been in the area, is my feeling. It's not that, 455 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: you know, somebody in the Midwest could have been doing 456 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: this unless they had been, you know, continually skipping to 457 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: the near Albuquerque. Yeah, if they're actually skipping, I don't 458 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: really see how you can triangulate. That's somebody within the 459 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: line of sight. So somebody reasonably close by. So you 460 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: have several CB operators and they all pick up the 461 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: same transmission, and they all see the signal strength of 462 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: that's that transmission. Most of the most radio, especially home ones, 463 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: have little dials and knobs and stadio. Yeah, so I 464 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: can see the signal strength and and you know, the 465 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: signal strength for that that thing from several different locations 466 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: found it. You can sort of probably get a rough 467 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: idea of where it originated from. And I think that's 468 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: maybe because I was rereading the piece from is it 469 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: the New York New York Times New York Times, and 470 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: they was talking about the monitoring and the transmission. Yeah, 471 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: there's some stuff in there that leads me to believe 472 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: that they were using multiple listening points to try and 473 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: figure out it's stronger here, it's weaker here. You know, 474 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: that kind of so accurate pinpointing of what you had 475 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: at the time. So that's that seems the only way 476 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: I can you can see it plausibly that they could 477 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: track it out. That makes sense. It's it's probably somebody 478 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: in a car or truck in the area broadcasting this thing. 479 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: And that's not counting all the other copycats that are 480 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: out there jumping in sure, So that's what that would 481 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: be my best guess. Okay, well you've totally ruined my 482 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: best theory was super depressing and sad reality. And he 483 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: died horribly out in the desert. Yeah, that he was real, 484 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: and that like the first you know, maybe day's worth 485 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: of trans missions were actually him and then just he died. 486 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: And how was it the best theory? I said, that 487 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: was my theory, say best, at my best, it's my best. 488 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: I apologized. I didn't mean for it to be like 489 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: it's like some theory. Yeah, well no. But the other 490 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: reason I think this was a hoax is it's been 491 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: forty one years since it's happened. They would have found 492 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: the truck by now. Somebody would have stumbled across that thing, 493 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: some hikers or somebody. Yeah. The interesting thing was that 494 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: I read reports and in the in the New York Times, 495 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: are Quality even mentioned three pilots reports sighting truck in 496 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: Red Rock Canyon area, and there were there were, and 497 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: then there were other reports that they some people saw 498 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: an overturned truck in that kind of area, but there 499 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: was never any follow up on that. So, but the 500 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: thing about it is is they so they flipped the 501 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: truck and it goes in a ditch. Well, what's always 502 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: right next to a ditch a road, a road that 503 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: people are gonna be driving up and down. In forty 504 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: one years, there's got to have been at least a 505 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: few people that's driven up and down that road, and 506 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: what it probably noticed the flipped over pickout truck. Actually, 507 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: I'll counter that if you go into a ditch or 508 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: a ravine, even if it's near Okay, well, what is 509 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: a ditch to you? Is that three ft deep or 510 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: is that ten ft deep? Because I've you know, I've 511 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: seen a lot of quote unquote ditches were actually ten 512 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: ft deep or something next to the side of a 513 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: road and they funnel a bunch of water through, and 514 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: that winter there's a flood through. So let's we're talking. 515 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: We're talking about our Arizona, right, New Mexico. Excuse me, 516 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: So that area is prone to flash flooding. So if 517 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: you get a big swell of water that comes through, 518 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: it's very possible that could have been buried in that 519 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: first winter one one giant wash buries it un a 520 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: bunch of crap, And yeah, you're right, it should have 521 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: been found by now, But who knows how far could 522 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: have traveled. Well, I guess I also, you know, my 523 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: other argument would be like, I don't know if they're 524 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: still there or not. But when I was a kid 525 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: and we got to Forest Park, you'd walk on these 526 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: trails and they were like cars from the seventies and 527 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: sixties that had just been abandoned in the middle of 528 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: these forest park, you know, just like pushed into the 529 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: forest a little bit and had been overgrown, and like obviously, 530 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, probably they weren't, you know, part of a 531 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: message of man hunt for a seven year old boy. 532 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: But they were left there on public land just to 533 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the yeah, to basically rot. So 534 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: things like that have happened. But I think you're probably 535 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: right that there was enough publicity surrounding this thing that 536 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: assuming they were on a road, because if they were 537 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: off roading in the middle of the desert to go hunting, 538 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: that's a different story. But still a lot of other 539 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: people are going to cross that desert forty one years, 540 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: sooner or later, somebody's going to cross. Agree, somebody would 541 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: think somebody would have found it, but enough time would pass. 542 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: I'll bet you after five years, this is no longer 543 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: in the public consciousness. And so I I mean, it 544 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: was some rusty old pickup truck and go, well, what 545 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: a piece of junk, and I keep going. Usually I 546 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: shoot a few holes in it before I move on. Anyway, 547 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: the best Joe, yeah, I know. But anyway, so so 548 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: to sum out my all my reasons, number one. All 549 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: of the kid couldn't have been transmitting with the CB 550 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: and the circumstances. I mean if he if he was, 551 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have reached more than a hundred yards or so. Uh. 552 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: Nobody ever found the wreck. No family member ever came 553 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: forward and said, hey, my son and my daughter, my 554 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: son and my husband are missing. I mean, none of that, nobody. 555 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, his his father had to have 556 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: had a job right when he failed to report to 557 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: work the following Monday. Do you think somebody would have 558 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: maybe put two and two together considering this has been 559 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: all over, this is all over the headlines. Yeah, it's 560 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: just none of it makes any sense. I guess. I 561 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: in the seventies, I can see somebody not having a 562 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: job and being a single father, and you know, I 563 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: don't know what um I think that's the eight t 564 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: was a Friday that year, So they went missing on 565 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Who takes their kid hunting on a Tuesday 566 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: except for somebody who doesn't have a job, if he's 567 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: an unemployed single dad, they don't have any living family. 568 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: It's happened before that. I mean it's not likely, right, 569 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: but it's possible. I guess you know, I think with 570 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: your one fell swoop of Oh yeah, by the way, 571 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: the CB radio couldn't have been broadcasting. Okay, I'm on 572 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: your side, but I am going to continue to say 573 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of likelihood around Larry's story, 574 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: whether or not. And um, what was the Jane Doe 575 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: something something that you did the story on. Yeah, I 576 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: can't remember this. A lot of numbers, Jan, lots of numbers. 577 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: The same thing with her. We all said, well, how 578 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: come nobody reported her missing? Well, it could have been 579 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: as simple as people and oh, well they moved. Oh, 580 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: I guess they moved out of the house. There was 581 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: a story I just read from the BBC of they 582 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: found some woman in her flat dead. She had been 583 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: there for six and a half years. Because her car 584 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: was gone, her neighbors just assumed that she had moved. Okay, 585 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: this guy's read pick up with a camper is gone, 586 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: and they just go, oh, I guess he moved. I've 587 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: told you both about the neighbor I had who just 588 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: randomly disappeared for a couple of months, and I thought, well, 589 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: I guess that guy just moved until I found out 590 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: what the story was dead. Very simple story just kind 591 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: of took off for a while I was on walk about. 592 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: But the same thing. It's like, oh, well, I guess 593 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: my neighbor moved out. Well, they'll the landlord will do 594 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: something about it. When they do something about it, or 595 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: the owner of the property, whoever, maybe it takes a 596 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: long time and they don't figure it out. Well. And 597 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: even I mean, you know, I guess not to like 598 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: push this too hard. But even if he's not unemployed, 599 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: he takes the day right. But if he's uh, you know, 600 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: a single parent, and he's a delinquent, maybe he like 601 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: doesn't show up, he's laid a lot. His manager just assumes, oh, 602 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: John decided to quit, didn't show up, better fire him. Well, well, yeah, 603 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: that's as possible. Or his manager could, like, you know, 604 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: having just read the newspaper, could put two and two 605 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: together at stage. Yeah, I wonder if it's John that's 606 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: trapped in that pickup truck that would take the kid. 607 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: The kid doesn't show up for school, but maybe the 608 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: school authorities will just say, must have moved, you know. Okay, again, 609 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: the guy stops paying his rent to the landlord. So 610 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: the landlord finally comes by and realized there's no nobody there, 611 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: and he like puts two and two together the authorities. 612 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: But you're you're you're expecting a lot of people who 613 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: read very small snippets. You gotta I don't think what 614 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people to understand. And when we're doing 615 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: this story, because I was looking at the clippings, because 616 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: people have scanned the man. That New York Times bit 617 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: that you read was probably one of the larger stories 618 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: that it's out there. Most of them are about a 619 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: paragraph and a half on page n B, next to 620 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: the O bits. So it's very easy to get missed. 621 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: It's not like today where we have and I've said 622 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: this before and I'll say it again, where there's social 623 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: media cramming all of this in front of us. Instead, 624 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: it's back there and I might read it, and I might, 625 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, work at the same place, but not make 626 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: the connection. But you're the manager, but you don't read it, 627 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: so you don't make the connection. And I don't think 628 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: to tell you anything because I'm busy doing my job. 629 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: Because we don't stand around in chit chat and email 630 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: these stories to each other. And you know, I guess 631 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: it was started and finished within what like within a week. 632 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: But but at the same time, it did get some 633 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: it did get a lot a lot of local play 634 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: because forget a hundred volunteers showed up to comb it 635 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: absolutely did. So it's kind of the word was out. Yeah, no, 636 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: I think you're I think you're right. I think it's 637 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: there's there's good arguments on both sides. Yeah, do you 638 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: guys have I mean, I know Joe's favorite theories that 639 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: Larry wasn't real. I was ambivalent at the start, but 640 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: I also don't believe that Larry was real. Yeah. Unfortunately, 641 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: it reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons, which 642 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: show is the best show is always in, which reminds 643 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: me of an episode of The Simpsons. Ye, sir, oh well, Bart, 644 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: Bart gets his he gets a walkie talkie set, so 645 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: he so he lowers one of the walkie talkies down 646 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: that's really really deep. Well, and then he gets on 647 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: the other on it and he's like, oh, somebody helped 648 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: me since in the hole town of Springfield. It's like, 649 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: oh my god, I forget what he calls himself. Maybe 650 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: he called himself Larry, but he's like, you know, he's 651 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: got everybody all concerned and and Anyways. You know what's 652 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: funny is I think I've seen like ten episodes of 653 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: Simpsons in my life. Yeah, and that is one of them. 654 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so maybe they maybe they were sort 655 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: of riffing on Larry particular. The genius of the Simpsons, right, 656 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: is that, like they make references that are so obscure 657 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: pop culture references that only a few people get them. 658 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: And it's still good. Yeah, still so good. Yeah, I 659 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: guess um. So anyway, if I'm wrong, If I'm wrong, 660 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: I apologize to your desiccated skeleton somewhere out there in 661 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: the desert. But I don't think many people hate you. Now, Yeah, 662 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: Larry is fine. Whoever whoever was the voice of Larry 663 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: is h living in Fiji. Yeah, he's he's middle aged 664 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: adult now and you know middle age. Yeah, well he 665 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: would have been born in assuming he was actually seven, 666 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: he would have been born in the mid sixties. Yeah'd 667 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: been middle aged. What is what is middle aged? It's like, 668 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, like thirty to sixty or something like that, 669 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: is it? Really? I never I never know. I always 670 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: here I'm middle aged. I never know what the classroom anymore? Yeah, 671 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think middle aged is half the 672 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: average lifespan. Okay, I always said, I think of it 673 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: is around fifty or so. I was like my doctors 674 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: years but years ago, and well not that many years ago, 675 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: I guess, but decades. He said. I was like thirty three, 676 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: and he says that was all. You know, your middle 677 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: aged white male and what are you talking about. Apparently 678 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: that's the way doctors see it, is like thirty to 679 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: sixty or something like that. I better start taking better 680 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: care of myself. I'm gonna be middle aged soon. You are. Um, well, 681 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: I guess not always sell the mystery. It's time for 682 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: the closing credits. Yeah, it actually totally is pictures. There's 683 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: not there's no photographs of anything because obviously, like we 684 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: don't know where it was problem. But a picture probably 685 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: of this news snippet will put up. But also the 686 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: links I did. Go out to the web, and there 687 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: are lots of pictures of red and white pickup trucks. 688 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: That's fair. Go out to the web. You'll find them. Yeah, 689 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: we'll put those on the website. We won't know, we won't. 690 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: But links to a couple of links. There's not a 691 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: whole lot of thinks around the internet. And also you 692 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: may be listening on our website thinking sideways podcast dot com. Uh, 693 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: you can always find us on iTunes. If you do 694 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: listen to us on iTunes. If you're not already subscribed, 695 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: subscribe and leave us the comments and a rating. How 696 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: does how does that tune go? Again? Nope? You got 697 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 1: it once. You can loop it. You edit these shows. 698 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: I am so looping that now, and I don't know. 699 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: If you forget, we're going to get the Devin subscribe 700 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: song that will not be in there. Make them together perfect? 701 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: It was terrible beaut If you forget to download us, 702 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: you can always stream us to right from stitcher on 703 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: any mobile device I get, except for a CB. They 704 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: don't have any apps, unfortunately, although we may just broadcast 705 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: the show on CB and ways to use our HAM radio. 706 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: That seems like too much work to you. The only 707 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: HAM I can't I have comes in plastic packages. That's 708 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: not a radio kind. Yeah, I don't have a CB. 709 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: Somebody bring me some? Hey? No, okay, you can find 710 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: us on Facebook. You can change like us, don't forget 711 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: to like us. Yeah, you can either like us or 712 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: you can join the fan page. That guess that's the 713 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: terminology the group Uh, there's lots of stuff going on 714 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: there actually right now. And if you're Larry, or you 715 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: heard Larry, or you just want to talk to us, 716 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: send us an email. That email address, as always, as 717 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: Steve would say, is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. 718 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: I guess on that super awesome upbeat short note. Yeah, 719 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: we're going to get out of here, so so long, everybody, 720 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: break record, niner. We'll talk you next week and Larry 721 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: give us a call. Just oh my gosh,