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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL almost daily, where we would never skip

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Speaker 1: OTA's season.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I'm here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio, and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by my friend Patrick Claybon. Often here on Thursdays

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Speaker 1: in the studio. It's one of my favorite things about

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Speaker 1: the off season. Not as often here, but always bringing

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Speaker 1: the funk. It's Matt Harmon and Matt, you are lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to be on the show that is taping right

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Speaker 1: after Aaron Rodgers is agreeing to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, what a treat. I couldn't I couldn't be

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Speaker 3: more happy to talk about my what's become my least

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Speaker 3: favorite subject. Oh, thank you guys for having me. No,

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Speaker 3: I actually just literally had a rant on football three

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Speaker 3: to oh one, which came out yesterday because we've had this.

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Speaker 3: We've had this graphic on our show with all of

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Speaker 3: our y'all who shows like the depth charts for every

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Speaker 3: team and they've had Aaron Rodgers at quarterback with the

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Speaker 3: parentheses like potentially for about two and a half months

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Speaker 3: and they just flash it on the screen. It's like,

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Speaker 3: I'm so sick of I'm so sick of seeing this.

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Speaker 3: It was funny when I saw the first time two

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Speaker 3: and a half months ago. Now now I'm tired of it.

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Speaker 3: So hey, I said enough already, and look at that

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Speaker 3: it happened the next day.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad now, you know, you could sit out

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Speaker 1: the first part of the show, Matt, and you could

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Speaker 1: just come back.

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Speaker 2: For what I'm really excited about.

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Speaker 1: We're going to rank who are the best wide receivers

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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Have a little draft.

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Speaker 1: But I think news calls Patrick that we that we

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Speaker 1: hit a route off the time.

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Speaker 4: And in fact, the last time we were here, we

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Speaker 4: were discussing that, you know, Matt can't always just.

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Speaker 5: Be wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's so now we get to talk Aaron and people,

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Speaker 4: you know, the conspiracy theorists are out there, as two

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Speaker 4: of his homeboys were very publicly beefing that this is

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Speaker 4: a news dump.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not a news dump.

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Speaker 4: It just happened to Steelers finished OTA's as you said

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Speaker 4: today and now it's like, okay, now I can say

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Speaker 4: that I'm going to play football.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, I didn't have a huge issue with

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Speaker 1: this getting drawn out. We didn't have to talk about

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Speaker 1: it that much, and I don't think we did that

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Speaker 1: much on this show. Once it became obvious that this

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Speaker 1: was the vague plan, ownerships spoke multiple times that they

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Speaker 1: expected him to be there. So I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: kill him for all the media attention over the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks.

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Speaker 5: Now, it's our fault.

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Speaker 1: It is sort of our fault. That's what I'm saying now.

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Speaker 1: The actual signing. To me, if you take a step

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Speaker 1: back and almost pretend we didn't know that this was

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Speaker 1: going to happen, it is fascinating, Matt that they wanted

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields more than Aaron Rodgers. To me, it is

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Speaker 1: really fascinating that the Jets and the Steelers swapped quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: but they both wanted Justin Fields, who also was benched

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Speaker 1: by that Saint Pittsburgh Steelers team. It is crazy that

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Speaker 1: he really is a marriage of convenience for this team.

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Speaker 1: And yet I feel like this could end up working out.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it will, but I do think it's

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Speaker 1: either gonna be like eighty percent of Brett Favan Minnesota

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Speaker 1: and actually be a help for this team, give them

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Speaker 1: decent quarterback play. They're gonna be relevant. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a big story. It's kind of fun. Or it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be like Matt ryanan Indianapolis and just totally sad and

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Speaker 1: like the worst moment of his career and Mike Tommlins career.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing in between. But there's an argument that it

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Speaker 1: could be the positive one because he is a year

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Speaker 2: I think that should help.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it should definitely help, And I guess it working

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Speaker 3: out is kind of what is your definition of it

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Speaker 1: Eleven wins and just that you're maybe slightly better on

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Speaker 3: You don't get wiped out by double digits in the

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Speaker 3: play in the first round of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: No, you're either competitive or you win a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're either competitive in that game or you like win

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the bar in Pittsburgh at this point. It's like,

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Speaker 3: just get the participation playoff trophy. But no, I think

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Speaker 3: I just don't have a lot of faith in this ecosystem.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of faith in the pass

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Speaker 3: being flexible enough at this point with what he wants

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Speaker 3: to do offensively to meet Arthur Smith in whatever the

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Speaker 3: from like an offensive perspective to what Smith had in

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Speaker 3: They were a little They were eighth in pass rate

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Speaker 3: think it probably trends more towards the nightmare outcome than

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Speaker 3: it does the rosy outlook.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because Arthur Smith has only kind of grown more

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Speaker 4: now we have the most influential Aaron. So what is

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Speaker 4: I be excited about it? And even if we do

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Speaker 4: I'm not excited about either one of those. Like, congratulations

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Speaker 4: to Aaron Rodgers on being what I feel is an

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Speaker 4: Like if we're saying success is a significant improvement upon

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Speaker 4: last year, I'm not seeing now.

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Speaker 1: It's it's sometimes tough to dissect Claybond's sarcasm. Do you

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Speaker 1: really think they're going to get along great and Rogers

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Speaker 1: because I think you're saying that they that they will

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Speaker 4: I mean, ultimately, for Mason it doesn't it doesn't matter

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Speaker 4: right facilitating that relationship, whether he wants to or not,

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Speaker 4: it is not going to be important. All things are

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Speaker 4: going to be to facilitate what Aaron wants, and the

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Speaker 4: big conflict is ultimately going to be like is there

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Speaker 4: like has author Arthur Smith been hiding quarterbacks or has

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad it's happening because I think it makes the

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Speaker 1: everyone keeps bringing up those games at the end of

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Speaker 1: challenging they even the ones with better numbers. I get it.

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Speaker 1: He takes so few chances that the completion percentage and

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Speaker 1: the touchdown of interception ratio, like that's his superpower is

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Speaker 2: It still is, but he plays.

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Speaker 1: So safe now that it just allows nothing to develop.

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Speaker 1: And even at the end of the season he seems

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Speaker 1: so allergic and fearful of pressure. The one little thing

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Speaker 1: don't think the fit is great either Matt, is that

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Speaker 1: he did move better at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: You could see it, and that, to me is like

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Speaker 1: the only thing to plant your flag on with Rogers

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Speaker 1: is that another offseason removed from achilles surgery, which is

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how much better it's gonna be. Matt,

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Speaker 1: and the weapons aren't very good. It's DK Metcalf, who

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Speaker 1: to me doesn't exactly seem like an Aaron Rodgers type

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some decent buzz about Roman Wilson, who ran

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Speaker 3: I think a grand total of four routes last year

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Speaker 3: of I thought he was more of like a fourth

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Speaker 3: with Metcalf, I think he actually fits well with what

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Speaker 3: Rogers has been allergic to throwing to since like his

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Speaker 3: which is really only two seasons. So I just that

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Speaker 3: Metcalf theoretically from a route deployment perspective, fits in Arthur

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Speaker 1: You kind of proved me wrong that he could fit

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Speaker 1: It is amazing though that the schedule makers put Jets

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Speaker 1: that's just like an early game. I would assume now

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Speaker 2: But that's opposite a lot of a lot of games.

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Speaker 1: But for me, as just like a fan, he does

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Speaker 1: make it more even if I find him obnoxious like

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Speaker 1: as a personality, he does make the football more exciting.

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Speaker 1: We have a game against the Packers also, which is cool.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers the Packers, assuming he makes it to mid

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to be watching the Steelers and seeing

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Speaker 4: the Steelers anyway, right, And Aaron Rodgers, despite all of

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Speaker 4: the Aaron rodgersness is more compelling than Mason Rudolph despite

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Speaker 4: their similarities. I just I do wonder, like because it's

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Speaker 4: it's about five hundred and seventy attempts, Like Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 4: playing on every game is going to be between five

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Speaker 4: to seventy and six something attempts. What's the number on

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Speaker 2: Like many?

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Speaker 4: How many times do you want Aaron Rodgers dropping back

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Speaker 4: in this offense? It just it doesn't It seems it's

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Speaker 1: Well, They've said they want to be a run first offense,

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Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers does not run run first offenses. They

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Speaker 1: have a good young offensive line, which I alluded to,

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Speaker 1: which the Jets did too, And I thought the Jets

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Speaker 1: like he was there like a huge problem for Rogers.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, just seeing all the potential clashes. He's

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Speaker 1: don't know that there's no real to that, but I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Being I thought about you know, me and Rihanna. It

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Speaker 4: just it was gonna happen. It just didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Aaron Rodgers, welcome back. I am glad. I

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Speaker 1: mentioned from Yahoo's sport Football three h one the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: site where you can pay to get the real goodies

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Speaker 1: and get all the analytics on these.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's an unfortunate situation franchise to be in.

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Speaker 4: It makes you think, I just hope that they manage

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Speaker 5: It's just no thanks, I'm out.

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Speaker 1: Right, And what are the odds Matt that like Daniel

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just talking about this with our mutual

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Speaker 3: I actually think this offense. I don't know if we're

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Speaker 3: even if he's not fully developed. And they took a

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Speaker 1: There is a scenario I think of the Colts mattering

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Speaker 4: Scroll through, scroll through the Colts TikTok and Twitter like

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Speaker 5: There's immediately a Daniel joke. It is. It is like

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Speaker 4: That, hey, if you show, if you showed Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 2: Equal time, equal time.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like, you know, a big news editorial pages.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: We're going to come back and we are going to

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Speaker 1: We might even get to thirty if we go fast enough.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL daily drafting wide receivers, a controversial way

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Speaker 1: to decide who are the best wide receivers in the league.

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Speaker 1: We're not drafting them from any team. We're just taking

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Speaker 1: goes out no matter what.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm excited for.

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Speaker 5: We have no asterisk with a very very small.

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Speaker 1: Note, no asterisk, no nothing. This is going to be representative.

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Speaker 1: And I trust no one more than Patrick Claybon to

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Speaker 2: But Harmon is doesn't. That's so not true.

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Speaker 1: I think you picking Terry Fontina with such great content

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Speaker 1: number nine overall, right, Harmon? Sorry, wow, yeah, see it

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Speaker 1: was aggressive, but that's what I That's what I like

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Speaker 1: about it. That's what I like about it. Let's start

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Speaker 1: Not fantasy numbers like reality. Who would you want on

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Speaker 1: don't we give Matt Harmon the honor of kicking off?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is that is beautiful. I think I've got

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Speaker 3: give it Jamar Chase off the top here because he's

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Speaker 3: I think he established himself as an elite tier wide

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Speaker 1: See that's it just shows the kind of trust and

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Speaker 2: We'll see where Patrick goes here at number two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm interested in your number one pick because my

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Speaker 5: He's like in terms of execution in the.

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Speaker 5: So I'll take Tustin Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been my pick and I think

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Speaker 1: Like he's put up a Hall of Fame career already.

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Speaker 1: He does not need to do that much more like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're both so savvy. Jefferson just seems so smart.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think a J. Brown at three is

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give him the respect that he deserves,

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Speaker 1: So I really think watching him on a per game

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Speaker 5: In the league. Yeah, he was in he was in

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Speaker 4: aj is such a big part of why the Eagles

440
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 4: were able to do the things that they like to

441
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 4: be able to flip a switch and go from a

442
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 4: run team to like, hey we're gonna throw the ball

443
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 4: spags and here's here's Aj Brown and there's there's really

444
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 4: nothing you can do about it. And like I think

445
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: about the fourth down conversion early against the Commanders in

446
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 4: the playoffs, where it's it's aj On a go, uh

447
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 4: give give Jalen the three step and he's gonna he's

448
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 4: gonna box a guy out and make a catch over

449
00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 4: the shoulder like it's it looks he makes it look easy.

450
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: I honestly think he has helped to raise the floor

451
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: of these receiver contracts, as his contracts have been proof

452
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: that like having a great receiver and giving him a

453
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: quarterback like contract can lift the entire rest of the

454
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: offense even if you don't have a top five quarterback.

455
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we have the same big six

456
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: now that I look at my list, as you Harmon.

457
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: Who do you have fourth?

458
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 3: A fourth?

459
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: Or who is next? I shouldn't assume a J. Brown,

460
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: A J.

461
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 3: Brown not snaking here. We're going back to no.

462
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 2: No, we're going back to not staking.

463
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 3: Oh number four. I kind of want to actually go

464
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: off my board here because technically Ceedee Lamb would be

465
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 3: next for me, But I think I'm going to just

466
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 3: go with Nico Collins here to make a statement because

467
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's not it's not. I don't think

468
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 3: it's controversial. It shouldn't be. Nico Collins a top five

469
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 3: wide receiver to me, but yeah, when this graphic goes out,

470
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 3: I want my name attached to Nico Collins because I've

471
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: been the biggest Nico Collins backer basically since he came

472
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: into the league. Early in his twenty twenty one in

473
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 3: season reception perception rookie report, I was like, this guy

474
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 3: wins at an over seventy percent rate against man and

475
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: press coverage, which like that means you're a bona fide,

476
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 3: like good starting X receiver, But it just didn't show

477
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: up in the box score because he's playing with Davis

478
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: Mills and all the chaos there in Houston. And then

479
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: we've seen over the last two years. He's a bonafide

480
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: elite number one tier wide receiver, and I think what

481
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: makes him different than any of the other guys that

482
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: I have in my first tier is that he just

483
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 3: pretty much exclusively lines up at X receiver like all

484
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: these other guys get to move around the formation, and

485
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: I think that I'm actually interested to see if Nico

486
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 3: Collins can do a little bit more of that with

487
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: Nick Kayley coming in as the offensive coordinator there. But

488
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 3: he's been such a perfect fit on those like typical

489
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 3: Shanahan X receiver concepts there that maybe you don't want

490
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: to move him around, because again, he's a top five

491
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: performer at the most difficult position to play within, the

492
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: wide receiver position.

493
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Speaker 1: Bold pick. I had him in my top six too.

494
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: I love me some Nico. I just I'm always surprised

495
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: when you see that he's two hundred and twenty five

496
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: pounds or whatever, just because he's so good and nifty

497
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: after the catch, it's just a great yack.

498
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 4: It's the number. The number helps, is that it? Yeah,

499
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 4: I feel like if you put Nico Collins in another number,

500
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: he would look massive.

501
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean he but he does.

502
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: He looked, but he looks lanky, he looks tall in

503
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: thinner he's six or four. But maybe maybe it is

504
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: the number What a come up for Nico Collins like

505
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: cemented top five receiver?

506
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: Who do you have?

507
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 5: Fifth? Patrick? Boards looking great? It's looking like our board.

508
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: I will take rams wide receiver, Puka Nakua and number five.

509
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 5: It was.

510
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: It was very dicey because I like Harmon was considering

511
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 4: CD in the spot, but then I feel like Puka

512
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: is still ascending where CD might have. It feels like

513
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 4: the explosive vet explosiveness after the catch is coming back

514
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: to reality where he was so excellent there, but Pucas

515
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 4: still got it. That game in so far against the

516
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 4: Bills was one of the better performances as I've seen

517
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: from anybody in all of last season. And I know

518
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 4: that if you're going volume and it's like, well, you know,

519
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 4: Stafford loaded up Megatron and he loaded up Cooper Cup

520
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 4: and he can load up Pooka, Like I'm not doing

521
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: this on like a volume basis. I truly think explosiveness,

522
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 4: like ability, at the catch point, separation, all these things.

523
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 4: He's got all of it, and I'm happy to have

524
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: him at this point in year three on my wide

525
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 4: receiver hypothetical tea.

526
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him fourth overall, right behind aj although

527
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: it split the ars here top like yards per route

528
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: run in the last twenty five years, only Steve Smith

529
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: best season and Tyreek Hill two years ago was better

530
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: than Puka last year. So Puka doesn't have the counting

531
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: stats harmon a year ago, but it did. It did

532
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: feel watching him, and you can tell me what you

533
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: think like that, he did take a pretty big leap

534
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: just as a player from his rookie season when he

535
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: was among the greatest rookies, if not you know, the

536
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: greatest they get put him behind Mass but naming number

537
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: two or three like of all time in the NFL.

538
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: So do you think he improved a lot in year two?

539
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I think that Pukuakua actually talked to him

540
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: after the Super Bowl followed up his rookie season. Yeah,

541
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: thank you. Was also gonna mention I stood next to

542
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: n Eco Collins at the Super Bowl this past year

543
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: and Ken confirmed big guy. So I don't think we

544
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: need a new number. That's just a big heal thing.

545
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 3: But no, Yeah, with Puka, I think the one thing

546
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: that he told me in that conversation is that he

547
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: wanted to get better at the catch point because he

548
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: felt like he lets some things go during his rookie

549
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: season that he probably shouldn't have. And I think right

550
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: away when he came back from injury, you saw that

551
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: he was winning along the sideline a lot more like

552
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: there was all the typical over the middle work, you know,

553
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: the digs, the crossers, these dagger concepts, like you saw

554
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: all of that, but he made an intentional effort to

555
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: get better in terms of timing his jumps, like having

556
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 3: late hands, getting his feet down in bounds. Those were

557
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 3: all there and that's the stuff that you do if

558
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: you're a true number one wide receiver. And just from

559
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: a separation standpoint, his success rate vers zone coverage this year,

560
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: because I just finished charting him, he'll be on the

561
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: site next week eighty five point one percent. That's going

562
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: to be among the league leaders and represented a big,

563
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: big jump as well.

564
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: Right now, he can he can win against any any

565
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: type of that's Ray Walker. Thank you, Harmon.

566
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: Do you when we have wide receiver opinions or back

567
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: when you were here at the NFL and you guys

568
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: were mixing it up with Patrick or now and people

569
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: come at you with differing wide receiver opinions?

570
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: Do you look down on them?

571
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: Are you like the Aaron Rodgers to our Mason Rudolph

572
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: in the room because you've ultimately done more work?

573
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: You know, No, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

574
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: You just don't respect like as No, I know.

575
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean just maybe he saw something different than I

576
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: did over the you know, hours and hours I poured it.

577
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel bad.

578
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: I feel bad for CD that that he falls to

579
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: the bottom I guess of this big six. But I

580
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: was with you though, that was like the sixth that

581
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: needed to be at the top. He's another one I'm

582
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: surprised by, like his listing of weight, Like is he

583
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: really only two hundred pounds? Because he just seems so

584
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: much more physical, Like he seems bigger than his listed weight.

585
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: And you mentioned maybe the yak wasn't as great a

586
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: year ago.

587
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: Who knows if that was.

588
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say motivation, but just the general

589
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: cowboys noess of it all that was like affecting everyone

590
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: last season.

591
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: I have no doubt.

592
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: Certainly, I think he's going to be helped out by

593
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: George Pickens being there. He's obviously so versatile, almost as

594
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: versatile as anyone on this list, along with JJ and

595
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. And that's that's why I think he's part

596
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: of the Big Six. You know, the Cowboys always have

597
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: one of them, dudes.

598
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's no word to argue there. I'm

599
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: more curious it's got me next.

600
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: The yards after catch stuff too, Like when this offense

601
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: is like we've seen this in Dallas, when they don't

602
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: have like a lid lifter to go along with him,

603
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: even like a Michael Gallup lifted, the whole thing just

604
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: gets very, very very condensed. So I think that that

605
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: the George Pickens acquisition is huge for that. And yeah,

606
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: I mean I wish I could have taken Ceedee Lamb

607
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: higher than this because I have such a big respect

608
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: for him as a player and people think he's like

609
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: just this slot merchant. He actually led the league last

610
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: year with five point three yards per route run against

611
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: man coverage when lined up outside, Like he could just

612
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: run out there and play X receiver every single snap.

613
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: But he's weaponized by being a slot receiver, So he

614
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: doesn't play there because he has to. He plays there

615
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: because he makes the entire offense better when he lines up.

616
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to make you feel awkward

617
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: or anything harmon, but I just am impressed how you

618
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: rip these stats off off the dome, especially when you

619
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: knew the Falcons like pass rate on some Matt Ryan

620
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith season that it's impressive, just just giving you.

621
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Respect, all right.

622
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: This is where we get past the first six and

623
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a next group of who knows,

624
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: six seven guys. It could be anyone from that group.

625
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: Who do you have up next, Matt?

626
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: I'll go with Alan Ross Saint Brown here next too.

627
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: I think is just firmly at the top of the

628
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: second tier in the NFL. He is so good within

629
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: the context of the Lions offense. But I don't think

630
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: that that takes away anything from who he is as

631
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: a player. He's somebody that's gotten better each and every

632
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: season in the NFL. Like when he first hit the

633
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: when he first hit the field, he was actually interestingly before,

634
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: when Anthony Lynn was the offense coordinator in his rookie year,

635
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: he was actually used more on these kind of like

636
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: deeper patterns, not necessarily more a little bit more outside.

637
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: They didn't quite know what to do with him. And

638
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: then after a lot of injuries and then Lynn was

639
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: pushed out. Dan Campbell took over the play calling duties.

640
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson was given more power in that building. That's

641
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: when they put him in this big slot receiver role,

642
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: and he's just continued to thrive every year, and each

643
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: year he gets better and better against pressman coverage in

644
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: like isolated routes. So I don't really think there's he's

645
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: another guy that. Yeah, he plays in the slot, he's

646
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: more slot first than Ceedee Lamb is, if that makes sense,

647
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: even if Lamb leads the NFL in slot yards over

648
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: the last two years. But I do think that he's

649
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: probably the best pure slot receiver in the NFL right now.

650
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: Is Saint Brown?

651
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the numbers are inarguable. I think you're right. Maybe

652
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: maybe this is my bias. I had him just like

653
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: I feel like he gets a little underrated. But when

654
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: you're comparing him to guys that you would want as

655
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: like your number one guy who can do everything, and

656
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily that guy, and I am that person.

657
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Maybe under radium and just have him like a few

658
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: spots lower, but either way, he's in that next group

659
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: for sure.

660
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: You're up with number eight.

661
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: Patrick, Okay, I will get perhaps controversial. I'll take tyer

662
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: Kill here at number eight. I understand that there's been

663
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: a falloff and maybe we're at ninety two percent of

664
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: Tyreek Kill. Ninety two percent of Tyree Kill is still very,

665
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: very good. I feel like most of the falloff was

666
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: related to the Miami Dolphins, like as an institution, this

667
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: recent edition of him and perhaps devils are probably a

668
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: part of the reason that he was trying to extract

669
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: himself from that situation at the time to go get

670
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: in the different one. But I still think like the

671
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: speed numbers, if you go off, you were missing some

672
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: of the explosive plays from offense in general. Jalen Waddles

673
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: explosive numbers fell off last year as well. I know

674
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: he was dealing with an injury, but I do think

675
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill is still explosive, still very scary like, and

676
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: I like him here to.

677
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: Day five First team All Pros.

678
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: By the way, another guy who has a pretty air

679
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: tight Hall of Fame case. I had him much lower.

680
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I had him outside my top fifteen strictly just based

681
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: on age and history that if you go from a

682
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: career season and then it's like halved the following year

683
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: and you start to have injury problems. The history of

684
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: guys at thirty one then bouncing back to being close

685
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: to what they were is not great. Now he is

686
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: a guy, Harmon, I don't need to tell you like

687
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: it was kind of broken, like every rule there is,

688
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Like you just would never have expected this guy at

689
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: his size to be as strong as he isn't have

690
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: the career that he is. So if someone's going to

691
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: break that rule or that line of a guy improving

692
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: that much at thirty one, he would be the guy

693
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: to do it.

694
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. My buddy Scott Pianowski Yaho says that once the

695
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: cheese goes bad, it usually doesn't get unbad. And I

696
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: do think we're I do think we're We've begun the

697
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: decline phase of Tyreek Hill, and I just wonder with

698
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: you know, everything that's always happening off the field with him,

699
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: like if we're going to get another one of those

700
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: peak seasons. So yeah, I'm with you, Greg, And I

701
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: didn't quite have him like that low, but I had

702
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: him lower than here.

703
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: I also have watched him talk this offseason, and I

704
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: do fall for this stuff, especially the fact that he

705
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: said he didn't prepare for last season as hard as

706
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: he should have. I am kind of falling for that.

707
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: It's a contract year for him and that he is

708
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: going to make do everything possible that he can to

709
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: make this season great. And I know Patrick does not

710
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: approve that kind of a Now you're just in my head.

711
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 5: It does look Tyreek Hill previously.

712
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, while you said on this Hall of Fame track, yes,

713
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: previously not trying.

714
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: My point is he said he didn't prepare, and you

715
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: heard some talk that he was a little sloppy and

716
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: his preparation going into last year and he was hurt

717
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: all the time, and he was a little you know,

718
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: he wasn't as explosive. So I'm trusting him as the source.

719
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I think he's ready.

720
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: I think football is good for you.

721
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: I think the more files play, you're probably not going

722
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 4: to be doing it very well for very long.

723
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I will take Brian Thomas jun You're off the

724
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: board in the top ten.

725
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Here. This guy first game in the NFL. I can remember.

726
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: I could still see it that first touchdown he had.

727
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: It's double coverage with Jalen Ramsey and Jordan Poyer, and

728
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: he's doing a toe tap at the back of the

729
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: goal line, and this was supposed to be some sort

730
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: of one trick pony. He hits like a turbo button

731
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: when they hit him on some of those slants.

732
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: That is just rare. His ability to change speeds.

733
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of conversation about this in

734
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: the NBA, and I think it's obviously true in the

735
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: NFL too. Your ability to decelerate is a skill like

736
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: guys who can drive and decelerate, guys who can run

737
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: and decelerate. Obviously that's great on like the stop routes

738
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: and everything, but man, he mixes it up. I don't

739
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: know if you see that, if the numbers reflect that

740
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: harm into me, But I just don't think many people

741
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: move like him. He's obviously got like the side, the strength,

742
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: and he had the production last year. So to me,

743
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm already ready to just like stamp him top ten

744
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: going into his second year.

745
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: Well, see, Greg, you asked me if I look down

746
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: on other people's opinions when they talk about wide receivers.

747
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: Can't do that, because shout out to you when I

748
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: came on around the NFL to talk about that draft class.

749
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: I guess you said like, either you can't draft Brian

750
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: Thomas too high, and I was like, well, I mean

751
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: he's probably the fourth best guy in the class to me,

752
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: So I mean, hey see, I can't. I can't turn

753
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: my nose up at any opinion when you had when

754
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: you had the best one potentially of that entire draft class.

755
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I think that Brian Thomas Junior, he

756
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: has a real rare skill set. You know, he's a

757
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: guy that eighty point eight percent success rate versus press

758
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: coverage in his rookie season in reception perception, so like

759
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: he can again another guy that is built like a

760
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: vertical freak show X receiver but also averaged over ten

761
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 3: yards per target on screen passes, Like you can do

762
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: whatever you want with him that. There aren't a lot

763
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: of guys that are built to do that. So yeah,

764
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: I mean, the sky's the limit for him. I had

765
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: him eleventh on my list, so not far behind here.

766
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, this whole group, and there's another rookie I

767
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: feel like from a year ago at least it would

768
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: be high. And he's going to be playing with Travis

769
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Hunter right there. Travis Hunter, another wide receiver who can

770
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: take a screen a long way he is eligible. If

771
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: anyone listening is curious, you know, rookies are eligible to

772
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: be taken. Wow, And I feel like, yeah, he's at

773
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: least in contention somewhere on this list. Let's go Matt Harmon,

774
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: you are up finish out our top ten.

775
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go Malik Neighbors here. I'll stick with rookies

776
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: from last year. Neighbors by the way, well, I won't

777
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 3: in case I end up taking the guy, I won't

778
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: say it.

779
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you're not sneaking anyone past us.

780
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: We know, like who you know the people are? You

781
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: can talk about him, come on.

782
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: You never know. Yeah, Molik Neighbors was awesome as a rookie.

783
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: And another guy that I think he.

784
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: Who is that you're your deep sleeper like Garrett Wilson

785
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: or Ladd McConkie.

786
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: I mean, these are these are big time names.

787
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that I think Lad mccakie

788
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: was the best rookie wide receiver on film last year. Yes,

789
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: And I think that that doesn't mean that he's going

790
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: to be the best over the course of the class,

791
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 3: because I think Neighbors and Thomas both have a higher

792
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: theoretical ceiling, and I think that Neighbors actually has the

793
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: highest ceiling of any of these guys because of his

794
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: complete skill set. He's a really good route runner, he's explosive.

795
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: He's similar to Chasin that I think he could develop

796
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: into one of those guys that you can put the

797
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: ball in his hands and he can house it from

798
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: any area. I actually think he was underutilized on post

799
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: routes last year for obvious reasons, and I'm not one

800
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure than any of the guys under center

801
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: for the New York Giants this year are going to

802
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: be able to access him in that area. But he's

803
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: somebody that is really good on stop routes. He's really

804
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: good with the ball in his hands, and actually somebody

805
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: that I'm so impressed with the detail in preparation he

806
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: puts into being an after catch player, Because typically you

807
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: ask these guys like, oh, hey, what goes into what

808
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: goes into being a great after catch player? With Neighbors,

809
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: he like will actually walk you through the details of

810
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: how you watch certain defenders and how to set them

811
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: up and things like that. So yeah, very impressed with him.

812
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: I think he's another guy that is is already worth

813
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: a top ten in this discussion.

814
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Something in that lsu Water who would you have had?

815
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: And Ladd'll get taken at some point I would assume

816
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: in the next you know, handful of picks, whatever it is,

817
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: who would you have chosen between neighbors and Ladd Patrick?

818
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 5: I would have had neighbors.

819
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, interesting, But are you I'm crowning him too soon?

820
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: Not to not to diminish Lad mccakey, who's who is

821
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: six feet tall and ran a four to three. By

822
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 4: the way, I feel like I need to say that

823
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: every time I say Lad mccakey, so people don't act

824
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: like he's this five to seven dude that ran like

825
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 4: what barriers ran?

826
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like he's out there trying hard. No, like

827
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 5: LADDI mccaukey is an explosive apps a freak.

828
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: Same height and weight and some similar numbers to neighbors. Actually,

829
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they're too different. Yeah no, and all right,

830
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: well we'll save our lad talk.

831
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: But eight neighbors getting left.

832
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, knowing some of your favorites out there Harmon,

833
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: that you took him there.

834
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: That shows how much you love neighbors. You have Number

835
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: eleven Patrick.

836
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: Well with the number eleven pick, I will take Terry

837
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: McLaurin of the Washington Commanders. Kind of unlocked last season

838
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: by you know, we might have missed what could have

839
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 4: been with peak Terry, and not that he's significantly declining,

840
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: but just the explosiveness, the ability to make those big

841
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 4: catches like with with coverage right there, and he's just

842
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: really good. And I'm really glad that we can see

843
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: that on a statistical basis because we knew that he

844
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: was carrying some pretty awful quarterbacks.

845
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: For a long time.

846
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm reporting today Pro Football Talk passed along. You know,

847
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: he's unhappy with his contract situation. He's missing ots right now.

848
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Not a huge deal. Seems like a contract that will

849
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: almost certainly get done by training camp. Wouldn't shock me

850
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: if it gets done next week. They want to reward

851
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, who is mister Washington right now, and he'll

852
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: be like parenially underrated. You know, we were hearing the

853
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: Chris westleyan podcast studio. I always remember watching this game

854
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: when Chris was recovering from cancer the first time around,

855
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: and we were in like Keisha's very temporary apartment and

856
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: I think her mom was there as well, helping out,

857
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: and we watched Terry on Monday Night Football as a rookie,

858
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: and West was just all over like this guy was

859
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: just like the most underrated wide receiver in the league,

860
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: and that has obviously born out to be true. I'm

861
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: gonna take Drake London next, and I'm going off my board.

862
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: I actually had a Lad ahead of him, but I

863
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: just feel like I don't like seeing for some reason,

864
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Lad's a rookie, he can slide a tiny bit. I

865
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: don't want Drake London to slide anymore because I had him,

866
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: I think ninth on my list overall, especially seen him

867
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: play with Michael Pennix at the end of the year.

868
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Like the reason why London's numbers for the whole season

869
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: went up is just because he got those couple of

870
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: weeks with Pennix. He finished seven for one oh six

871
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: and then ten for one eighty seven against your Panthers

872
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: in Week eighteen.

873
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: I guess it was.

874
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: And I went back and like just checked out some

875
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: of those games and like, it's all outside the numbers.

876
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: It's all these not that Kirk Cousins couldn't throw, but

877
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: kind of he couldn't.

878
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 5: Out to that, not like Mike Dude last year.

879
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: No, and now you're getting to see like the full London,

880
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: right harmon, And so I think when that's unlocked, I

881
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: actually think for what it's worth, he's just like a

882
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: safer pick than even some of these younger guys because

883
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: we've seen it year after year and it wouldn't shock

884
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: me at all if he goes and has like a

885
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: first team All Pro type of season this year.

886
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I had London ninth on my list as well.

887
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: And I think the best part about his season last

888
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: year is, like you said, you got to see all

889
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: parts of his game expressed, because when it was Kirk

890
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: Cousins under center, you notice that, oh yeah, they're moving

891
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: Drake London around. And this was something I hoped happened

892
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: when you know that Rams based coaching staff came over

893
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 3: there to the to the Falcons, because I think Arthur

894
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: Smith gets too much flak at times, especially from the

895
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: fantasy community, but he was just again just isolated, kind

896
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: of tethered at that static X receiver spot was Drake

897
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: London in his offense, but this offense much more dynamic.

898
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: They got him a lot of slot work and when

899
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: he was in the slot. Kirk Cousins was just peppering

900
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 3: him on over the middle targets, and that's really where

901
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: you can get some great stuff out of Drake London,

902
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: because yeah, he is huge, he's great at the catch point.

903
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: He can win in those tight coverage ways, but he

904
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: is so fluid and just an excellent underneath separator that

905
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: he can be a high volume receiver in those ways.

906
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, then when Penix gets into the mix in

907
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: the final three games, then you get to see the

908
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: fireworks of him being on these deep, outbreaking routes in

909
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: tight coverage. So yeah, I expect if that usage holds

910
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: and Pennix can you know, maybe not be a consistently

911
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: accurate quarterback, but can access Drake London in those ways,

912
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: I think we will easily the best season of his career.

913
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not like Peedicks, is not afraid of throwing

914
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: that thing down there to London. So I even if

915
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: he's not accurate, like I think, volume wise, it's going

916
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: to be there. And it's funny you mentioned Arthur Smith

917
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: gets you think, too much grief from the fantasy community,

918
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: but he also gets a lot of grief from the

919
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Falcons Like Atlanta fans community and the Steelers fans community.

920
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: I would say, I'm like tape heads aren't like huge

921
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith's fans.

922
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: It's been a bad couple of years for Arthur Smith.

923
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: Him and Aaron Rodgers now need to join forces that

924
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: everything number thirteen you're at Harman.

925
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go and I'll go ahead and take lad

926
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: mcconkeee here. There's a few big names that he's right

927
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: there with. But man, he was so like he was

928
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 3: special as a rookie. He wasn't like like Patrick said,

929
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: he gets sort of type cast it as the Jim Ratt, small,

930
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: scrappy white slot receiver. But he is a dominant separator.

931
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: He was the best in terms of rookies last year

932
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: in success rate versus press, coverage and reception perception. He

933
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: is also a threat to break multiple tackles and stack

934
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 3: big plays with the ball in his hands. And he's

935
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: a monster in tight coverage like contested catch guy despite

936
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: the size. So there's really nothing that you would ask

937
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: of a wide receiver one that he can't do. So,

938
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: like I said, I think he was better than Thomas,

939
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: think he's better than neighbors on film last year. That

940
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that he will be best over the course

941
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: of his career, but he is certainly with the right

942
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: quarterback to do it and a guy that you saw

943
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 3: right away. What I love about McConkey is that he

944
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: when he's running these like dig routes or kind of

945
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: coming back to the quarterback against his own coverage, he's

946
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: always just worked. He's consistently working himself open. Even on

947
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: digs where you know he could like go behind that defender,

948
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: he always crosses the face. And Herbert just immediately loved that.

949
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: So I think that's gonna be a great connection this year.

950
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he smoked some really good cornerbacks on outside, you know,

951
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: on the outside in single coverage. The only slight concern

952
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: is at the end of these games, he was always like,

953
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: no one played better limping off the field than Lad McConkie.

954
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: He's almost struggled to get through the sixty minutes and

955
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: then he would get back to the next game and

956
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: it would be fine. And I did see a story

957
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: this week his receivers coach Sanjay law is showing him

958
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett and Julian Edelman tapes about how to avoid

959
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: not only avoid hits a little bit because Lockett. You know,

960
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: you don't want to be doing like the Lockett slide thing,

961
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: but also like diving forward like Edelman had a good

962
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: way of not taking big hits while also making plays

963
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: and getting those extra couple of yards.

964
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna have to learn to carry the load

965
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 4: of the offense because he was used to being at

966
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 4: George He's the explosive guy at Georgia. You come in

967
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 4: and score and like his first career touchdown the money

968
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: oh Ladd call, like he shakes three people down at

969
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 4: the goal line and then dives and he's like he's

970
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: always thinking end zone. But it's you know, seventeen games

971
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 4: of that. When you're going to be the team's leading receiver,

972
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 4: it's probably tougher to play like that. And so like

973
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 4: that's that's what leads to it because he there were so

974
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: many times where its lad was the only option.

975
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: See we're trying to say though, like hey, he's not

976
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: just the white slab receiver. He's clearly not. But then

977
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: his coach is showing him Edelman tape. It's like, come on,

978
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: help with the narrative. Tyler Lockett actually like a super

979
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: charge better being a better Tyler Lockett would be like

980
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: an truly incredible career.

981
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: And I think he is already. He's already there was.

982
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: That was my player comparison for him when I charged

983
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 3: him in Tyler Lockett.

984
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 5: That's awesome.

985
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: He's already a better version of offense to Tyler Lockett, who

986
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: was incredible at his peak. All right, number fourteen, and

987
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: then I'll go and then we're going to take a

988
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: quick break.

989
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go ahead and go and go age here,

990
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 4: I'll go. Davante Adams at number fourteen, still contributing. I

991
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 4: think the numbers, of course he's in the Stafford offense,

992
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 4: things are going to go up. He got volumes of

993
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: targets late on a bad offense from a quarterback who

994
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: was playing middling last season. Where he's getting more targets,

995
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 4: more touches and opportunities than Garrett Wilson, and he's not

996
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 4: that much older than it was at the end of

997
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 4: last season. I think this is a great spot and

998
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm very comfortable having DeVante.

999
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him in this exact same spot, and frankly,

1000
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: I felt bad almost having him that low because he's

1001
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: someone that I think when you watched him on tape,

1002
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: you're like Oh yeah, it's still there. Like maybe it's

1003
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: ninety percent of Devonte Adams, but that's still awesome, and

1004
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: he could have had a monster season in a different scenario.

1005
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: So because it's so similar, I'm just going to go

1006
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: right into my next pick, which I'm going to take

1007
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: Mike Evans here, and we are at the point where, like, yes,

1008
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: it seems crazy. Year after year was Mike Evans like

1009
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: slightly worse maybe a year ago than he was in

1010
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: twenty three? Like maybe I don't know, what did you think, harmon,

1011
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: Like the production was essentially the same except he missed

1012
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: three games. But I saw everything that you've loved out

1013
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: of Mike Evans pretty much. So until he actually does

1014
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: fall off, it feels rude to rank him too much

1015
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: lower than this.

1016
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think twenty twenty three was the best season

1017
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: of his career and he was right pretty much just

1018
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: the same player last year. So yeah, no argument here

1019
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: this is that would have been my next pick as well.

1020
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: So much agreement I did hear from someone on Blue

1021
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: Sky check us all out there. You know, we're we're

1022
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: having fun that they didn't like it when we agreed

1023
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: too much on these on these little rankings in the

1024
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: same games.

1025
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 5: Would you like us to lie and be disingenuous.

1026
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: Well, they just want some some pops, some disagreement, and

1027
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think you guys are doing a great job,

1028
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: except the Tyreek was a little bit of a reach.

1029
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's say quick.

1030
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 6: Break back at NFL Daily.

1031
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: The problem with Blue Sky, though, was my fear of

1032
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: what I thought might happen when I first started, which

1033
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: is now I'm just like posting to two annoying twitters

1034
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: like annoying in different ways. Blue Sky I find much

1035
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: less annoying, but that that was like the worst case scenario.

1036
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: And I'm doing it because.

1037
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a principled or disciplined man and just haven't

1038
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: given up Twitter cold turkey because I'm looking at it

1039
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: for information.

1040
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: If you're looking at me like I'm principled or disciplined

1041
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 4: for not tweeting, you know, elon limited my spread, my reach.

1042
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: I was getting no engagement, and so like all of

1043
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 4: the dopamine hits that I've been getting twelve years, like

1044
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: they went away, so like there's no point in me

1045
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 4: going back.

1046
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: I need those hits. That's why we do this, That's

1047
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: why we got into this game. Marmen, you're at sixteen. Overall,

1048
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: we're making pretty good pace. I think if we keep

1049
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: this pace, maybe pick it. I think we can go

1050
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: to thirty and then we'll send you on your way.

1051
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: Let's go number sixteen.

1052
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: Matt Harman, Yeah, I love it. Next to you. Guys

1053
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: in my list are two i'd love to kind of

1054
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: sort of buy low on, but I will go with

1055
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson here at this spot. Really good player that

1056
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: I think last year a lot of unfortunate circumstances for him.

1057
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 3: We already talked about the quarterback play, of course, also

1058
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: this whole discussion about oh Man. You know, he's just

1059
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: never where he's supposed to be as a route runner.

1060
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 3: I mean, give me a break. I don't know how

1061
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 3: like detailed we want this guy to be. But he's

1062
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: a separator. He's almost always open, and he can make

1063
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: plays and contest situations. Maybe a little he's been a

1064
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: little bit more consistent there to truly get into that

1065
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: first tier of NFL receivers. But he's somebody that if

1066
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 3: by the end of the year him and Justin Fields

1067
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: have a great connection, I think he's about to just

1068
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: get like a thirty to thirty three percent target share

1069
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: in this very run heavy offense. I think he could

1070
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: be kind of climbing the ranks by the end of

1071
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: the year.

1072
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: I feel like an idiot. This happened.

1073
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: This has happened in literally every one of these where

1074
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wait, I forgot Garrett Wilson. He was

1075
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: much higher on my list. I just like overlooked him.

1076
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I had him tenth like three straight years. I just

1077
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: think the situation has been so bad. I'm with you,

1078
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: like to come into the league as a stamped one

1079
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver. Do it every single year in different

1080
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: offensive Corneria is like, you're absolutely right, no offense to

1081
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. But actually I would have taken him over

1082
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 1: Evans if I could do it again. But I'm glad

1083
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: you took him. You're up with number seventeen.

1084
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: And maybe maybe I'll offend a couple of players here.

1085
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: I'll I'll take the number two. I'll take Davonte Smith

1086
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 4: here at number seventeen because I think he The perception

1087
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: of Davante is influenced by the Eagles and the offense,

1088
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 4: not just the run heavy nature of the way things go,

1089
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: but also the fact that he's sharing those targets with

1090
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 4: AJ Brown, And in every situation where DeVante Smith has

1091
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: been asked to produce, he has done so. When AJ

1092
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 4: is out, when the team is only throwing the ball

1093
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: twenty times a game, he's been producing. He's caught seventy

1094
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: percent of his targets in the regular season. He's caught

1095
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: seventy percent of his targets in the postseason. I'll take

1096
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: Davonte here.

1097
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: He's just so I almost feel bad.

1098
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to take DK Metcalf next, but I just

1099
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about them together, because like DeVonta Smith,

1100
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith is he's better at like being a wide

1101
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: receiver than DK Metcalf, for instance. And he's as good

1102
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: or better at being a wide receiver as a lot

1103
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: of the people on this list that we've already mentioned.

1104
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: Like the size is like a small limitation. I guess

1105
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: if he was on his own team, I guess that'd

1106
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: be curious to see what would happen. Like he is

1107
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: better as a great number two, but wouldn't everyone be

1108
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: better as a great number two. He's just like so

1109
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: freaking good that, like, I don't think you can look

1110
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: at a lot of these guys we've already talked about

1111
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: even the ones inside the top ten and just at

1112
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: the pure art of like being a wide receiver, say,

1113
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: they're much better than DeVante Smith. So I don't think

1114
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: that's too high at all. That's exactly where I would

1115
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: have had him, and DK to me is a little

1116
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: bit of the opposite of that. I'm curious what you

1117
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: think Harmon. He hasn't totally improved like to be a

1118
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: complete wide receiver. Maybe as he's gone along, like I mentioned,

1119
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: like an Aj Brown has, like I think some other

1120
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: players have, and yet he is great at what he

1121
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: does and has improved to some degree and has expanded

1122
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: as routry. Where do you think he is at at

1123
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: this point in his career?

1124
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the biggest reach relative to my board,

1125
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: only because the tough part with Metcalf is he's coming

1126
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: off his worst season and at times I've been a

1127
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: really big, big defender of his game, and I actually

1128
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 3: think he was a little like misunderstood come into the league,

1129
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 3: where he was just viewed as this like one trick pony.

1130
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: He was stiff, uh, because he's always been really good

1131
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: against press coverage because he's so physical at like the

1132
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: hand combat portion of it. But uh, he's really taking

1133
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 3: a step back on contested catches the last couple of seasons,

1134
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: especially last year, and I just to me, there was

1135
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: just something missing from his game last year. He was

1136
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: like success rate vers zone coverage plummeted last year. Some

1137
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: of that was I don't think it was a very

1138
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 3: well designed offense. I am certainly willing to chalk that

1139
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: up to it. But I mean, he got out played

1140
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: by another receiver on his own team last year, like

1141
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 3: pretty convincingly, so I would not have taken him here.

1142
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: I'm hit with the harmony.

1143
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 5: How does that feel?

1144
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: Disagree?

1145
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: I hope whoever, whichever feels fine.

1146
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: I'll defend it because I I it wasn't a good year.

1147
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: You're right, and his in Geno's connection was not great.

1148
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: I got the sense that they did not see things

1149
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: the same way. Very often, Gino thought he would do

1150
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: one thing and he wouldn't do the other, And you

1151
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: don't want that as a receiver. Ultimately, that's a little

1152
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: bit of a knock on decay. Well, let's let's talk

1153
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: about how it's about to be now fair. I really

1154
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: I'll stand by it because this is exactly where I

1155
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: had him.

1156
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad at all. We can all have

1157
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 2: different opinions.

1158
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: What kills me is that I messed up and forgot

1159
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: about JSN, So that is completely on me, and I

1160
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: hope that he gets taken next by Matt Harmon.

1161
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: He's not gonna be I'm gonna look I'm gonna look

1162
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: like an idiot because I just said, like, yeah, decay

1163
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: Did is not coming off his best year, so I'm

1164
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: not gonna I'm not gonna take him here. I'm gonna

1165
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 3: slam Greg for taking him. I'm actually gonna take Brandon

1166
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 3: Ayuke here, certainly not coming off his best year. But like,

1167
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: this guy was one of the best receivers in football

1168
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. Like he was incredible. Any efficiency

1169
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: metric would tell you that, the eye test would tell

1170
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: you that he's developed into a truly elite route runner

1171
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: and set raider, great blocker, Like he is a number

1172
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: one wide receiver at least he was he was in

1173
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty three season. Obviously, things went awry last

1174
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: year amid the whole contract. I'm sure clay By and

1175
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: I hope you agree with me on this. I've just

1176
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: been like rolling my eyes at the whole Oh how

1177
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: could I yuke like you he comes in here out

1178
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: of shape. Just sign him to a contract in the

1179
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: middle of this offseason, like give him the money then

1180
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: and he comes in dialed in. We're not having this conversation.

1181
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: So he is coming off a major injury. He didn't.

1182
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 3: I don't really care about the stats from last year

1183
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: because I think we can chalk that up to just

1184
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 3: the weirdness in the offseason. So if this guy gets right,

1185
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: I think he can be like a core pivot player

1186
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: for the San Francisco forty hits, because that's how he

1187
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: was playing prior to getting that contract extension.

1188
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating, you know, sliding doors moment when he

1189
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: didn't go to the Steelers that he thought he was

1190
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: going to the Steelers, the Steelers thought he was going

1191
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: to the Steelers, and reportedly Kyle Shanahan stepped in at

1192
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: the last second and kind of made the forty nine

1193
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: ers keep him. Would that world be like dk Metcalf

1194
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: would not be on the Steelers, that's for sure.

1195
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 4: Step in two months before, man, Yeah, what what was

1196
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 4: the point of the whole fiasco?

1197
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 5: Like what was accomplished in that?

1198
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 4: Like did you save did you save the forty nine

1199
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 4: ers two million dollars? Like like, what I have, No,

1200
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: I have this protracted situation.

1201
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: My guess would be the front office and maybe ownership

1202
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: even felt differently about him than Shannan. But you're right,

1203
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: if Shannan has that much juiced to make it happen

1204
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: in the end, that he's the most important guy. I

1205
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: think we would all agree that that's the case. He's

1206
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I think he has the hammer versus John looks like,

1207
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: why didn't it happen earlier?

1208
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 4: Would it all have happened if the forty nine ers

1209
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 4: had protected properly in the fourth quarter of the Super

1210
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 4: Bowl and Brandon Iuk, who absolutely pants to Trent McDuffie

1211
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 4: open open wide open to win the Super Bowl on

1212
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 4: a touchdown catch, and they don't protect correctly. Chris Jones

1213
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: sex the quarterback and it's all history and loss.

1214
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 5: There's only one team can win.

1215
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 3: And also the real sliding doors moment, Greg is actually

1216
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 3: when Ayuk was posting like Commanders practice film right, because

1217
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: Buddy Jade Daniel was that's funny, Well, what a moron?

1218
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: Why do you want to leave San Francisco and go

1219
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 3: play for the Commanders? Like imagine Terry McLaurin, Brandon Ayuk,

1220
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels. That's the real sliding doors moment.

1221
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: That would have been amazing because, yeah, the Commanders ended

1222
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 1: up with the wrong former forty nine er in my mind,

1223
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. Yeah, and the Steelers KA was like a

1224
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: nice fallback, but it would have been nice to have

1225
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: him last year on that team, or or Brandon Ayuk

1226
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: on that team last year. That's a great call on

1227
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: the Ayuk in the Super Bowl because I feel like

1228
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders gliding down the field wide open and Jimmy

1229
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: g not hitting him, lives like so front of mine

1230
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: for me and gets more pub But Ayuk and the

1231
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: other one, well, yeah, there's more attention.

1232
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 5: Because we didn't. We didn't we saw that one, right.

1233
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: The camera's focus on this all the ball here are

1234
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: the protection's bad? Yeah, and party's getting sacked. But Brandon

1235
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 4: Ayuk was naked in the end. He had I can't

1236
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 4: even say the yards of separations because I believe it

1237
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: was McDuffie. If it's not U Trent, then I'm sorry.

1238
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: But the defenders on the ground, I'm.

1239
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: Not really like a forty nine Ers guy versus like

1240
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: contensus or anything. I definitely don't root for them, but man,

1241
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: they've had it pretty rough. I feel like they're almost

1242
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: not owed one. But you know, I would if they

1243
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: actually get it done at this point, after all the heartbreak,

1244
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: I would appreciate Patrick, you're Updex.

1245
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take another number two.

1246
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take t Higgins here at this point, I

1247
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 4: think back to those chaseless also burrowless eras a couple

1248
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 4: of years ago, where it was essentially the offense was

1249
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 4: T Higgins. He had the game winning touchdown, extending his

1250
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 4: arm from what felt like the five yard line to

1251
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 4: the pylon, and he plays with a receiver who's going

1252
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: to get a lot of a volume and a lot

1253
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: of attention, which he should.

1254
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 5: But I feel comfortable taking te Higgins.

1255
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: No, that's that's absolutely where I think he should go

1256
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: as well. I think if he had landed on a

1257
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: different team, he would have had an extremely like successful career.

1258
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: He's always been more than a two, which is why

1259
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: he got the money that he had, and I think

1260
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba was more than a two. Last

1261
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: year he was ultimately the best Seahawks receiver. So I'm

1262
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: doing a first in any of these drafts. I'm going

1263
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: to make a trade, actually, for the first time ever

1264
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: in these drafts, I'm trading to the guy who took

1265
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: DK eighteenth overall and forgot JSN was still on the board.

1266
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm at twenty one and I'm going to take Jackson

1267
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: Smith and Gibber because ultimately, I think he's a more

1268
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: versatile player who's ascending and showed last year that I

1269
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: think he's even better than I expected he could be

1270
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: at the NFL level, that he can be like a

1271
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: true one. Like I'm not going to say that he's

1272
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: a Nico Collins, like he's obviously not that big and physical,

1273
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: but I just think in the different ways that he

1274
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: can win on different parts of the field, everything about

1275
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: him is awesome to me. I'm actually surprised, Harmon, you

1276
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: didn't take JSN higher, only because I feel like he

1277
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a like both a tape

1278
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: head darling and an analytics darling. But maybe not you

1279
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: tell me wrong.

1280
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: No, I mean really good receiver. There's just a lot

1281
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: of really good receivers from the LAFE. Yeah, but yeah, no,

1282
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: I agree with you about Jaysn, like he's somebody that

1283
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: has been pigeonholed as a slot only player, but he

1284
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: was over seventy five percent success rate versus man last

1285
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: season and as a collegiate prospect in reception perception, and like,

1286
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: even if you don't buy what I'm selling with success

1287
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 3: rate verse man coverage, you put it in the put

1288
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: it in the box score. Last year too, he led

1289
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: all receivers from week ten on in yards per rout

1290
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: run against man covers. So I really don't have any

1291
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 3: hesitation with him playing more outside with Cooper Cup likely

1292
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: being more of the slot heavy player in Seattle this year.

1293
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think I got great value in the

1294
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: straight It's just a straight up trade. I'm trading him

1295
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: from twenty one to eighteen. DK is moving back. We

1296
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: will put an asterisk on the Delix spankings.

1297
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 5: Now, how does he get away with the.

1298
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: Let's go to twenty two Matt Harmon?

1299
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will take here, the guy who from weeks

1300
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 3: one to seven was producing like the best receiver in football.

1301
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: I'll take Chris Godwin here. I don't I love taking

1302
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 3: two injured guys with my last two picks. I don't

1303
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: totally know how I feel about that, but Look, Godwin

1304
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 3: is just such a badass. He's so useful in all

1305
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: phases of playing wide receiver, but he's probably one of,

1306
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: if not the best blocking receivers in the league, and

1307
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 3: he just adds a whole nother dimension because of that.

1308
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 3: He's like, he might be one of the best, if

1309
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: power slot receivers in the league. Again, he's up there

1310
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: with like the Saint Browns and those guys. So honestly,

1311
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: if he had finished out last season at the pace

1312
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: that he was producing, he would have gone a lot

1313
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 3: earlier than this.

1314
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a tough one because the injury depends on

1315
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: the parameters.

1316
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: I do like for posterity.

1317
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: This is something I want to look back on a

1318
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: year from now an NFL daily and like see how

1319
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: the rankings change. So I'm actually glad you did that

1320
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: because I was too focused on the injury and just

1321
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: thinking like, he's not ready for this season. But we

1322
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: know that receiver is in there and we saw it.

1323
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: It kind of landed somewhere in between you, right, he

1324
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: would have been higher. You're up next with twenty three.

1325
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: All right, at number twenty three, Speaking of injuries, I

1326
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 4: will take Chris O lave at this point a player

1327
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 4: that I think due to some organizational malfeasance, we haven't

1328
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 4: been able to see the best of. I hope he's safe.

1329
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 4: I feel like like the way that he came back

1330
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 4: last year kind of put him at risk.

1331
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 5: I don't want to see that.

1332
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 4: But when he's out there, I still think he's one

1333
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 4: of the better receivers in the games.

1334
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 5: I'll take herself.

1335
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, Matt.

1336
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 1: If you have a stat for like percentage success rate

1337
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: on the like the you know, the comeback like or

1338
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: the ten yard like the stop routes of like when

1339
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: the ball is anywhere near Chris a lava on that route,

1340
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: I believe it's a one hundred percent success right. I've

1341
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: never seen that play not work with like a halfway

1342
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: decent thrower quarterback like timing wise, I've never seen in

1343
01:02:59,000 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: that work.

1344
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And frankly, I think that his connection with Derek

1345
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 3: Carr has been like abysmal just for whatever reason, they

1346
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: had never seen the game the same way. Like there's

1347
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: probably a larger conversation to have there, but they just

1348
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: never quite been on the same page. So even like

1349
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 3: we'll see if Shuck Tyler Schuck can be as good

1350
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 3: as Derek Carr, which is a tough thing to say,

1351
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: but it is probably the right thing to say in

1352
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 3: this situation. But even if he might not be quote

1353
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: that good or that productive or whatever, I think he

1354
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: could have a better connection with Chris All Obviously, I

1355
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: love Patrick taking him here. He was my next guy

1356
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: as well. I think you're really underrated at.

1357
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 1: This I had a question mark on him just because

1358
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: maybe because of the health. But I like that because

1359
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: I've always been a huge fan. Going into last year,

1360
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: I believe, you know, we had we had to have

1361
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: these strong takes and stand on a tiny table show

1362
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: and I believe one of mine was Chris Olave would

1363
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: get Offensive Player.

1364
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: Or the Year votes. So that did not work out

1365
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: for me or for Derek Carr.

1366
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: I am going and this is tough and choosing between

1367
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: like favorite babies, I think Jalen Wattles just earned a

1368
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: spot this high.

1369
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 2: We're now getting into like a part of the draft.

1370
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a lot of similar ish guys,

1371
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: like two pluses, guys who have shown that they can

1372
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: win really regularly, like the speed you can't you can't

1373
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: teach that it's special and maybe isn't coming off his

1374
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: very best season and so that's why like he's a

1375
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: little lower than that. But like, what do you think,

1376
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: like a what do you think Jalen Waddle career should

1377
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: be like Patrick Clayband like the rest of it.

1378
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 4: I think the Jalen Waddle career like the progression of

1379
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 4: it where we saw the way things started again. He

1380
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 4: was coming off he was coming off that injury that

1381
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 4: occurred in his final season in Alabama, dealt with ankle

1382
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 4: problems early and it's all these very.

1383
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 5: Close to the line of scrimmage targets.

1384
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 4: He got loaded up by targets early on, and it's like, oh, well,

1385
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 4: you know, Jalen Waddle around the line of scrimmage. But

1386
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 4: that year too was where we saw how explosive he

1387
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 4: could be. And then last year again, the total the

1388
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 4: whole Dolphins took a comeback, like every everybody's speeding humbers

1389
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 4: felled down like were he.

1390
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 3: Moster except John new Smith. Yeah, John Smith comes in

1391
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: and sax plays for the Miami Dolphins last year where

1392
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 3: the John Smith play.

1393
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: John Smith trade talks are back on.

1394
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: One of the one of the funniest years news stories

1395
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of is John new Smith's agent arguing

1396
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: with himself or should I say, like, whoever the sources,

1397
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: I shouldn't assume it's the age Adam Schefter's source arguing

1398
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: with himself over four different posts of like he's on

1399
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: the block, he's not on the block.

1400
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 2: He's on the block, he's not on the block. But uh, yes,

1401
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: Jalen Widow.

1402
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the explosiveness is still there, the

1403
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 4: separation ability. He's one of the better players in the

1404
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 4: league with the ball in his hands in the secondary,

1405
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 4: and that explosion I think would have had him higher

1406
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 4: up on this list.

1407
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 5: If not the.

1408
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 4: Dolphins, Uh, just kind of cratering in the middle of

1409
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 4: the year last.

1410
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: Year, right, three thousand yard seasons to start a scare.

1411
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: Thirteen hundred yards is second season eighteen point one yards

1412
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: per catch, which led the NFL that great season for

1413
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. So whenever it's a young player that's already

1414
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: established that level of production, I always assume that they

1415
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: absolutely can do it and will do it again if

1416
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: they're in the right situation. We have six picks left,

1417
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna do a speed round, cause

1418
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: thirty is a nice number. And just to put the

1419
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: cards on the table, Eric said, if we can get

1420
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: to thirty, that graphic's gonna look better that it looks

1421
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: perfect at p thirty. So we're gonna do six picks quickly,

1422
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: harming your up first.

1423
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: A lot of interesting options here. I typically want to

1424
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 3: be conservative with rookies, but I'm not going to be here.

1425
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Travis Hunter at this pick. Just loved

1426
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 3: him as a prospect. He will probably be the second

1427
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: fiddle on his team because Brian Thomas Junior is really

1428
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: really good. But that could be one of those duos

1429
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: in a couple years where we're like, oh, these guys

1430
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 3: are both top ten receivers in the NFL. So I

1431
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 3: think Travis Hunter is going to be that type of

1432
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 3: guy the NFL, and I think that he will primarily

1433
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 3: be a wide receiver for the Jacksonville Jaguars. By all

1434
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 3: their actions, all their statements have sort of indicated it

1435
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 3: that way. Yeah, so I just use a special player.

1436
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: I feel like an idiot because all I did was

1437
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: stick to my board. You know how they the GM's

1438
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: always brag, oh, we stuck to our board. Well, maybe

1439
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: sometimes sticking to your board you're being a dumb ass, Like,

1440
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: why did I I definitely would watch Travis Hunter, but

1441
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: more it's just more exciting, more higher see it like

1442
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: no offense to Jalen Wide. It's just a couple of

1443
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: spots that I had him too. But now I'm almost

1444
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: mad that that Matt got him in this fictional exercise.

1445
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 2: Patrick, you're up.

1446
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the training camp interception video was too tantalizing. I

1447
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 4: didn't have Travis hun her on m on my list

1448
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 4: because it's just like, Wow, this guy's incredible on defense.

1449
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: But I had him twenty two. I had him twenty two,

1450
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: so this is a steal.

1451
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 4: I will be a dumbass and stick with my board

1452
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 4: and take Courtland Sutton here. I think Courtland Sutton physically

1453
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 4: could have been higher up on this list, but there's

1454
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: some issues with his game, but not enough to not

1455
01:07:58,880 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 4: take him here.

1456
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that I had him right around there.

1457
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not the most complete receiver in the league,

1458
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: but what he does well, like, it's just outrageous. I

1459
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: thought that Jordan Addison has been underrated since the minute

1460
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: he entered the league. He is only turning twenty three

1461
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: next year. He is my pick here. He's you know,

1462
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: he's racked up nineteen touchdowns so the yardage production hasn't

1463
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: been there as much, but just watching him obviously immature

1464
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: off the field in terms of the speeding arrests, very dangerous,

1465
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like he's coming into an important year

1466
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: for him, but man as as a route runner, as

1467
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: a number two, I love me some Jordan Addison, feel

1468
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: great about him. Here, last pick for you, Harmon is

1469
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: number twenty eight.

1470
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: I'll go Zay Flowers here, who was perfectly twenty eight

1471
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 3: on my board.

1472
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 5: Zoom.

1473
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 3: I think that makes sense. There was there was one

1474
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 3: guy I maybe wanted to consider ahead of him, rookie

1475
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 3: from last year, A couple of rookies from last year.

1476
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: Okay, just throw him out there, just give some love.

1477
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 1: It's extra Yeah, maybe.

1478
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: Ju I think I think about him, can still get

1479
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: in this discussion, and Romadunz by the end of the year,

1480
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 3: I think, wow, a lot higher than this. Yeah. I'm really,

1481
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: really really excited about Rome based on what you saw

1482
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: in isolation last year and what he's going to be

1483
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 3: probably as the X receiver in this Ben Johnson offense.

1484
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 3: But I feel like it's a little disrespectful to not

1485
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 3: have Zay Flowers taken even if he is the second

1486
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 3: best wide receiver on his team.

1487
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 5: That's fine.

1488
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

1489
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: I have Harrison one spot below Flowers and yeah, breaking news,

1490
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: Rashad Baman got another contract. I go, what two people

1491
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: have supported Rashad Bateman more than Patrick and Matt enjoy us?

1492
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it took us a while, but we got there.

1493
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 5: Shout out to Shot we got there.

1494
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, he got his money. Thank thank god, because

1495
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: it's not going in a good spot.

1496
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1497
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: But I want to give the Ravens a ton of

1498
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: credit here for recognizing what a talent he is and

1499
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: signed him to a three year extension when he still

1500
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: had a couple of years on his old deal. What

1501
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: they they surprise us signed him to last year. It

1502
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: was like a real belief in their own system and

1503
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: their player giving him that country. But then I realized

1504
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: it was all some bs CBA chakanery that they're kind

1505
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: of taking advantage that he was on the do not

1506
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: Report list so he was gonna have to wait nextra

1507
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: year and they sort of took advantage of that. So

1508
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: ultimately he's like on Rob Gronkowski's second contract, which was

1509
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: like the worst contract any player has ever signed. Uh,

1510
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: But Rashad Bateman. He's not a Hall of Famer. He

1511
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: can he can he can still you know, make plenty

1512
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 3: That being said, like it was still all last year

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01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: during training camp and the offseason is they were like, no,

1515
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 3: this is the year like Bateman, all this stuff and

1516
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 3: every you know, every knucklehead who doesn't watch the games, like, oh,

1517
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 3: we just talking up their for their first round bus.

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01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 3: It's like, no, the Ravens have watched. They've not they've

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01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 3: certainly not read reception perception, but they've watched the games

1520
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 3: and saw what reception perception said that. Yeah, that guy

1521
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 3: is when you just isolate him, he's such a good

1522
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 3: route runner, he's such a good separator. So yeah, he's

1523
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say would have taken him next, but.

1524
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm glad you got him into the show.

1525
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: Here. That contract now I think it was adding three

1526
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: for thirty six, but now it's like a total of

1527
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: five for almost fifty which is, Yeah, an incredible deal

1528
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: for the Ravens. But also they gave him a lot

1529
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: more guaranteed money and it's great to see him developing.

1530
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: He had I think he was on a very short

1531
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: list of guys with you maybe the only guy with

1532
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: sixteen yards per reception and nine touchdowns. Kind of a

1533
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: weird slice, but great job. I'm glad he got mentioned,

1534
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: even if he's not in the top thirty. Your final pick,

1535
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: and you can tell us who you're thinking about here too.

1536
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got I've got some guys in this range

1537
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 4: with Shee, Ryce Stebo, Samuel Jacoby Myers. But I'm gonna

1538
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 4: take Jamison Williams just for the sheer explosiveness like that.

1539
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 4: That's what we're watching for. Our guys that can run

1540
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: away from people, get in the paint, and I'll take

1541
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 4: Jmo Man.

1542
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would choose between I had Jamison

1543
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: Williams right there at like thirty two as well, like

1544
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: right in that group. I was hoping you would choose

1545
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: between the Colts receivers because I'm thinking about Josh Downs,

1546
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Michael Pittman, I'm thinking about George Pickens.

1547
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: I really believe it. If it was my team, I

1548
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: would take Josh Downs. I do think he's let's go

1549
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: that good. I think valuing that a slot, you know,

1550
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: primary position matters, and that he could get to him

1551
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: aman ra type of level where he like gets an

1552
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: all pro nod like he has that sort of talent

1553
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: and has been in a different situation. So as as

1554
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: much as I like what Pickens does well and think

1555
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: he could have a monster year, I actually think Downs

1556
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: is even more valuab.

1557
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 2: I feel safer about Josh Downs.

1558
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned George Pickens because I forgot about

1559
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 4: George Pickens. I probably would have seen, probably would have

1560
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 4: taken it earlier. I know the situation was horrible.

1561
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: I feel I feel bad that Pittman Pickens. I thought

1562
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,520
Speaker 1: about Khalil Shakir too. You know, love to the slot receivers,

1563
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: Love to you Harmon. Everyone should check out reception, perception

1564
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: and then obviously check out what Matt is doing over

1565
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: at Yahoo.

1566
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: What what's what's the summer of Harmon going to be? Like?

1567
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: Like you got anything planned here? This is time to

1568
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: get away almost.

1569
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. My my entire family is going on a trip

1570
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 3: to Disney World next week. Okay, yeah, that'll be as

1571
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: as the my wife and I are the childless and

1572
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 3: non Disney adults of the family. You know, we'll see,

1573
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 3: we'll see what we we can mix it up with there.

1574
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the dream, I can't imagine.

1575
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: Feelings like, I hope the Harmon family doesn't listen to this.

1576
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: We will be back.

1577
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 3: I think they know where I'm where I'm coming from.

1578
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: We will be charting.

1579
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, charting, charting is fun. You got to get away

1580
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: from charting though for a little bit. I'm glad that

1581
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: you will. Patrick, You're not getting away at all. You're

1582
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: You're locked in for the next couple of weeks on

1583
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: NFL Daily, including a show next week. We're going to

1584
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: complete that secret weapons episode in I Cannot.

1585
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 6: That'll be your next show.

1586
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: Our next show in this feed will be on Monday morning,

1587
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: will be with my friend Nick Shook, will wrap up

1588
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: some news. Next week is almost the end of the

1589
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: off season. It's mini camps all over the league. And yeah,

1590
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: when we're finally giving Joshunds the love that only Drake

1591
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: May has given him before football's back.

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Speaker 4: M