WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Beaumont Children 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.639 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by a series 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:05.400 of dots that may or may not contain a secret code. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.520 Instead is supported by the generous contributions of people like you, 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.920 our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon dot com slash Thinking 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:24.440 Sideways to learn more Thinking Sideways. I don't you never 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:32.000 know stories of things we simply don't know the answer too. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.040 Hey guys, you made it. It's the end of October. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.120 Last episode, the last episode. If you don't know, this 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:46.599 is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin. That's and that 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:51.240 is Steve. Yes, that's clean. Actually we did at that time. Yeah, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.879 it's good. I won't have to edit that at all, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.760 except for all of the five booths that we did 0:00:55.800 --> 0:01:00.000 before then. Yeah yeah, yeah no. So as you probably 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.920 we know, but maybe not. This month of October, we've 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:07.160 been doing Thinking Sideways is Most Wanted. So we came 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.680 up with a list of fifteen, the fifteen most requested mysteries, 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.680 and we did an episode on the five the top 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.440 five voted, so they weren't necessarily the top five most 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.840 requested that we've ever had. They were a list of 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.959 the most requested and then there was a vote. So sorry, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:34.160 if we missed the most requot, we didn't. We got, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.120 but there are some that are like that are pretty 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.040 frequently requested that I guess we'll attempt to tackle on 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:45.080 the next next year. Yeah, if we're not, if we're 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.160 not covering the mystery that you really really are dying 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.720 to see us cover, we'll send us money. It's good. Yeah, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:56.000 we do accept bribes. Yeah. So this is our uh no, not, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.280 there's no more like weird first runner up, the second runners. No, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.120 this is our winner, our winner, and uh the we're 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:08.640 going to talk about the disappearance of the Beaumont children. Yeah. Yeah, 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.160 it's a big one. So you may or may not 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.280 have listened to our group shows before. You might be 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.000 able to tell this is going to be a long episode. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.040 So I didn't do it by myself. We all three 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.280 broke it up. So we're going to do our standard 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.160 show that we broke up style, and we're just going 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.880 to each tackle different parts of it. I got the 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.680 lambst part he did because he said he didn't care. Yeah, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.919 I know. So I'm gonna start by giving a quick 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.640 overview of the story. You might want to give him 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.640 the warning because this is a story about childbuction. You 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.640 that's you know, an uncomfortable subject for Yeah, not only 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.359 is it child abduction, but a lot of the um 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:52.760 suspects I guess are pretty bad. People are pretty and 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.880 we are going to talk not in graphic detail, but 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.400 in some big detail about what they did and why 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:04.320 it pertains to this. So if you're squeamish, it's not you, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.440 it's not your bag. Just get this one. Although presumably 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.000 you're not going to be so upset about this morning. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.720 If you're super excited about us covering with mystery, hopefully 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.519 there won't be any cross over there. Yeah, I don't, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.320 I don't. I think this is pretty Pg. Thirteen. I 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.840 wouldn't be too concerned. It's not the worst. But just 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.120 for all some of our listeners who need to know 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.799 things like that, I think our listeners are already. They're 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.560 not that kind of people anyway. They love the gore, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.560 not all of them. Okay, you guys ready. On January 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.720 nineteen sixty six, which was Australia Day of that year, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:44.480 three children disappeared. Guess what their name was? Their last 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.600 names for beaumont Um. They were Jane who was nine, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:52.400 Arna who was seven, and Grant who was four. They 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.720 were on a beach that was called glenn Elg, which 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.280 is the palindrome. You guys, I know that's really cool. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:00.720 You know. You pointed that out and I had not 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.360 enough step before. It's palindrome. My Australian friend who helped 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.440 me with some of these pronunciations. Uh, the first thing 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:08.839 he said, I said, how would you say this word? 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.600 He said, it's a palindrome and I was like, yeah, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:16.680 but how do you say it? So apparently that's the thing. Um. Anyways, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.839 it was near It was near Adelaide, South Australia. South 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.919 Australia is the state, I believe, right, I think so, yeah, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.640 which is also near Somerton, which you may or may 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.839 not remember. This is why you are so excited about 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.240 this particular case, just because it ties into your favorite one, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.720 my favorite one, yeah, which is um, that family actually 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.600 lived in Somerton, um, which is where the whole Tam 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.120 and Shrewd thing, Tom and Shrewd thing. It's kind of 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.000 a little for me to triangle. Yeah, it happened in 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.960 nine and it's actually, as it turns out, this area 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:54.320 is pretty notorious for disappearance and murders. So um, maybe 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.760 someday we'll cover some other ones, but now we've covered two. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.880 Well certainly, I mean some of the suspects in this 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.200 case had been suspects and many many disappearances of children. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.320 It's like, it's kind of shocking how many people were 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.240 out there doing this kind of stuff in South Australia. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.240 It's weird. It's you'd think it was like a place 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:16.440 that people sent the worst people that they hadn't even 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:21.520 going to make that all right. So their parents were 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.720 Jim and Nancy Beaumont, and they often allowed the three children, Jane, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.960 Arena and Grant to ride the bus to the beach. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.920 It was like a five minute bus ride from their 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.000 home to the beach um, and so they were often 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.400 allowed to do that. And on this day they were excited. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.400 It was Australia Day, which I think is kind of 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.800 like fourth of July here. I believe that. Yeah, it's 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:51.480 I think it's Independence Day or something. Ignorance sorry everyone, anyways, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.360 it was a day of celebration, and so the three 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.159 children said they wanted to go to the beach and 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.360 their parents said sure, yeah, no problem, said by lunch. Yeah. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.600 They left home just after ten am. I believe it 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.840 was ten. Ten was when the bus left, and they 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.720 arrived at the beach predictably at about ten fifteen, which 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.560 is confirmed by the bus driver and also um a 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.080 few passengers of the bus. They said, yeah, the kids 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.719 got off around eleven. The children paused to play in 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.320 a sprinkler that was on the lawn of Collie Reserve, 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.719 which is like a public park that's just adjacent to 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.680 the beach. It's like big One. I looked at pictures. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.200 It looks really pretty. Around this time, a witness also 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.599 noticed that there was a man playing with the children. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.280 He was wearing blue swim trunks, and a school friend 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.760 of Jane's said that she saw the kids there too 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.400 at about eleven, but that she didn't notice the man 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.080 playing with them, and so maybe the man was just 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.480 playing in the sprinklers but not with them. Yeah. Maybe. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.640 The witnesses description of the whole encounter with the man 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.760 was that he was laying on the grass initially like tanning, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.400 and then got up and started playing with the kids. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.680 But forty five minutes later the children bought some pastries 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:05.440 and a pie from one Cel's cake shop. Uh. They 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.440 paid with a one pound note and pause for all 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.400 of our Australian listeners. You might be saying, but in 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.320 nineteen sixty six we had the dollar. Not so, not 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.040 until May. I did my research on this one. It 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.960 was still the pound until May of nineteen sixty six. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.440 So they paid with a one pound note and um. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.600 Later Nancy told authorities that she had given Jane eight 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.160 shillings and sixpence in coins, which was to cover the 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.880 bus fare, and then like small little snacks, get yourself 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.080 something a munch, Yeah, just little little snacky things. So 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.440 they so it's unclear where they got the one pound 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.400 note from. Uh. The owner of the shop also mentioned 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.760 that she did know the children and they they had 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.400 purchased a meat pie, which they had never purchased before. Um, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.560 though they'd come into the shop many times. Yeah you're 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.000 a kid, You got some cash and you go into 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:01.520 a pastry shop. Yeah yeah, or cane croissants or you 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.200 know whatever. Not it's not going to be a hearty 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.840 meat pie. So she thought that was a little odd, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.680 but she you know, didn't question them or anything like that. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.960 But she did recall that as being odd when she 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.840 was interviewed later around noon. A number of witnesses were 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.440 all sitting on a bench when they were approached by 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.560 a man who matches the description of the man in 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.200 the blue Simms swim trunks, and he said he was 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.600 missing some money and wondered if they had seen anybody 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.120 touching his clothing. No, no, I know where. Yeah they 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.760 might have stole it, right, Yeah, they don't. They didn't 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.560 seem like that kind of a group of kids. Um. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.640 The group, who was comprised of a woman, an older couple, 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.840 and the older couple's ten year old granddaughter, said sorry, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.880 we didn't see um anybody touching her clothes, and so 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.360 the man walked back to his clothes, where three children 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.160 were waiting for him. The witnesses said they were quote 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.240 fairly certain that at least two of the children were 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.920 Jane and Grant, and were absolutely positive that the third 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:03.320 child was Arena. And the man then helped the three 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.320 children dress, which they the witnesses said they thought was 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.600 odd because at least two of them looked like they 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.520 were definitely old enough to dress themselves at nine and 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:19.680 seven at nine, that's a little weird, But he apparently helped. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.000 He took the time to help them all dress. It 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.680 took them like fifteen minutes to get all dressed, but 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.720 he apparently helped them all dress and then around um, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.439 twelve fifteen. As I said, it took it took that 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.079 long too. I haven't seen anything that said, I guess 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.720 so it was about noon when he approached them, So 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.280 the conversation took maybe a minute or two, and then 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.520 he walked back to the children and immediately helped them 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.560 start dressing. And then the witnesses said they departed around 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.200 twelve fifteen, so it did take them a while. Maybe 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.640 it was he was not helping them get dressed, maybe 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.439 he was trying to undress them and they were kept 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.760 they kept dressing themselves, he kept undressing. No, I think 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.800 it was pretty clear he Actually I was. I was 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.920 wondering about it, as I had never thought about this. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.720 But if the children buy something and they eat something 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.240 and somebody laces it on them, that would be why 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:07.760 you would have to help a kid get dressed, if 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.920 you they were a little drunk. That's good. I hadn't actually, no, 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.840 I just yeah about that now. Yeah, it's just this 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.600 whole scenario. It's just it's just a little hard to 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.120 picture from today's modern stand put. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:22.840 think guys. I mean, obviously you don't want to be 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.880 having anything to do with the kids that you don't 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.920 know he'll go anywhere near them. Absolutely, that's worth kind 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.120 of a more paranoid society today than we used to be. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.320 Well in this case, actually was the imptis for a 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.680 lot of that. It turns out there was the catalyst 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.520 for a lot of families in Australia, particularly to stop 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.120 allowing their children the kind of freedom that the Beaumont 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.360 children were afforded. Yeah, between because this happened between the 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.480 Purvs and the Dingoes, you know, I mean Australia wanting 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.120 to get your kids. Yeah, yeah, it absolutely is. Well, 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.760 and that's the thing about this these kids is that 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.160 you bring up a great point, Joe is everybody's probably 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.800 freaking out going, oh my god, their parents let them 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.600 go on their own. But it was he was a 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.120 very different world. And I mean I grew up in 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.320 in the States, you know, and and still when I 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.600 was a kid, my parents still said where are you 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.880 going when you're gonna be back? You know you're gonna 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.880 be back by this time, and don't ride your bike 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.240 in the street. Yeah, And then I just took off 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.720 and did what I wanted. Yeah, and it's exact same 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.640 thing these kids were doing. Yeah, I know, he would 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.920 just take off and go all over the place. Yeah. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.640 And I think it's interesting actually to think about the 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.480 way that we're reacting to this story versus like the 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.160 Madeline McCann case for instance, right where I know we 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.880 were all like, what were those parents thinking? That's absurd, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.920 But it was genuinely the society that was exactly how 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.200 everybody was treating their children. Yeah. I think it's that 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.480 And there's an age difference thing here between this and 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:53.320 the Meccans. Yeah, I'm not trying to like, you know, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.400 it was genuinely at a different time. And regarding the 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.440 maccan parents, you know, they should have locked their room. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.360 But other than at you know, that wasn't it wasn't 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.079 too egregious on their part because we actually got a 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.400 little blowback and when that episode there and some people 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.160 were like upset with us because I thought we were 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.880 too hard on the parents. Yeah. So Nancy, as we've 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.400 just discussed, it was, you know, a different time. Nancy Beaumont, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.280 the mom, she wasn't too worried when the kids didn't 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.840 come home at on the noon bus. She kind of 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.840 just figured that maybe they had decided to walk home 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.960 from the beach with they which they had done before, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:29.400 and would have taken them, you know, extra time. Yeah, 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.320 or maybe they missed the bus. It wasn't exactly what 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.600 we would call a frequent run bus. The next bus 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.680 was due back at two, so she said, you know, 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.080 she was she wasn't concerned. Really. She thought either they 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.439 would be waiting for her at home they would walk home, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.200 or they'd be on the two o'clock bus. So she did. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.120 She went home, and she was a little myth that 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.600 they weren't home waiting for her. I think she genuinely thought, oh, 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.480 they just walked home. And then she walked from home 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.680 to the bus stop for the two o'clock bus, expecting 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.559 them to get off that bus. They didn't. They didn't 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.640 get off any bus. She kind of thought, Okay, that's weird, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.400 but I guess they could be on the next bus. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.040 And the next bus came at three. Rationalizing is what 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.920 it is. Yeah, when denial, if your kids are your 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.200 kids are kidnapped. Yeah, So when they were not on 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.360 the three clock bus, she did start to freak out. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:24.120 And there's this possible sighting of the kids at one 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:30.000 or two fifty five pm. I have a hard time too. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.080 So these two, these two sightings are like the police 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.920 don't think they're credible, but we'll mention them anyway. So 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.120 it's possible that at one PM the children were seen 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.679 with the same man, but he had light brown hair, 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.199 not blonde hair. Men in the blue trunks. Yeah, and 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.720 the report was that they were leaving the beach um 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.360 pretty much at that moment. It's also possible that the postman, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.679 who was familiar with them, saw them work walking along 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.199 Jetty Road towards the beach. He said it would have 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.560 either been at the getting or end of his round, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.760 which would have been at one or to fifty five pm. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.760 And in some statements he actually said that he saw 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.760 them in the morning, but he recanted that. So you'll 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.760 see out on the internet all three versions of that 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.240 in all the different places. You'll see that the policeman, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.600 deaf or the postman definitely saw them on their way 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.960 to the beach. Oh, he definitely saw them walking alone 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:29.160 at one. Oh, he definitely saw them walking alone at 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:33.120 Toft but he couldn't even remember. But he couldn't remember. Yeah, 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.200 he couldn't remember any of that, so the police kind 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.920 of discounted that as well, understandably so I agree. So 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.400 I gu said Nancy by this point was pretty concerned, um, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.560 but she she did go home and continue to wait 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.480 for them and tell Jim. Her husband got home, at 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.520 which point both of them I think it was about 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.000 five pm when he got home, and they decided to 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.520 go to the beach to look for the kids, I think, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.000 just hoping that they had lost track of time or 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.920 something like that. Obviously, they didn't find anything, so they 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.040 officially reported the children missing at seven thirty pm that night, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.880 and then Jim continued to look throughout the night for 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.960 the kids or any sign of the kids, and when 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.720 there was no sign of them, they were officially declared 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:25.320 missing the next morning. So the morning of January nineteen 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.880 sixty six. The search that ensued was extensive and did 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:36.280 eventually become the biggest man hunt or search search in 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.720 the history of Australia. There are a few things to note, 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.720 not very many, but a few. The first thing of 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.560 note is that the children, but particularly Jane, were described 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.360 as shy. Apparently, Arena had at one point told her 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.480 mother that Jane had quote got a boyfriend down the 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.240 beach unquote, and Nancy, of course, you know, thinking that 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.880 seven year old arna Um referring to nine year old 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.760 Jane had just meant a playmate and ignored the comment. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.840 But it did seem a little weird after the kids disappeared. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.880 In hindsight, yeah, a lot of things that are very simple. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.200 We've talked about this before though, Yeah. Um, so investigators 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.280 did theorize that the man in the blue swim trunks 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.360 that had been seen playing with the kids, um had 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.400 actually met them before, since they did go to the 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.120 beach fairly frequently, that he had worked to gain their trust. Um, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.920 because it would it seemed out of character, I guess 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.240 for the kids to play with a stranger within you know, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.760 such kind of ease. It lends me to think that 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.840 there was a lot of planning put into places. This 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.160 wasn't a crime of opportunity. Was snatch and grab, Yes, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.640 that's exactly the right term used it. Somebody had to 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:52.600 spend three four separate occasions with these kids to build 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.560 up that relationship. If indeed the man in the blue 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.320 swim trunks was responsible, we don't know that. But also 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.520 if he if this guy had been regularly hanging with 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:02.720 the kids. Do you think they would have been a 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:07.840 lot more witnesses have noticed on previous occasions, I guess. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:12.320 But also it's not exactly as though the police were saying, like, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.200 anybody who ever saw these kids interacting with anybody, tell 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.600 us anything? You know, they were saying specifically on this 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.840 day these kids disappeared, did you see them? You're in 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.960 this area? It seems like, um, this speech is kind 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:29.960 of a touristy area, so it's not as though a 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.280 regulars and I don't know. It's also entirely possible that 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.000 the man in the blue shorts was playing with his 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:43.440 own three children. They were misidentified absolutely the children. UM, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.879 they had things like towels, small playthings. Jane had a 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.960 copy of Little Women, which is not a small book 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.800 with her, and none of these items were ever found, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.879 which lends itself to think that the kids weren't just 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.240 washed out to see those things would have probably washed 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:06.360 back up on the shore or um, so it wasn't 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.600 just a riptide. Jim appeared on national television on January 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.600 thirty one asking for any leads, and um hundreds of 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.080 tips flooded the hotlines and Apparently every single one of 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.679 them was followed up, and none of them really produced 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.159 any kind of substantial leads. A few months after the 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.200 kids disappeared, a woman reported that on the night of 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.719 the disappearance, she had seen a man and three children, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.960 two girls and a boy, enter a house next to 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:34.920 hers that she thought was empty, and I think it 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.280 was like a vacation rental sort of situation, not like 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.720 an abandoned house sort of situation. She reported that she 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.440 saw the boy walking alone when he was chased and 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.280 quote roughly caught by the man. Why did you wait 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.960 too much? Yeah, I mean that's actually it just like 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.280 the Springfield three and lady who said that she saw 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.920 the girls in the vein months later. Months later, Yeah, yeah, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.800 and that's exactly. The police weren't able to to substantiate 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.680 this story because of the distance of time between when 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.280 it happened and when the tip was given, so they 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.840 weren't able to go get any forensic evidence or anything 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:16.840 like that that would have potentially existed in this house. Fingerprints. Yeah, 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.640 if if this happened right, if this woman was telling 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.640 the truth, there would have been for forensic evidence there 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.280 and they would have been able to collect it and 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.440 I would have probably yielded many more results in the 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.800 long run. But if it was I they must have 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.359 followed up with the owners of the house. I mean, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.480 if it was a vacation rental then and they rented 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.280 it to somebody for a day or two, I presume 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.840 I The only thing that you can never find about 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.920 this is that it just there were no leads from it, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.200 So I presume that it wasn't actually rented on that day. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:50.320 This is always at most paph Yeah, but I did 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.520 want to include it because it is kind of interesting, 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.640 you know, Like we said before, while this case did 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:00.879 drastically alter the way that parents behave with their children, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.639 the allowances they gave them, the kind of freedom they 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.240 gave them, no one blames the family in this case, 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:12.159 which I think is fair. And if you know something, 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.040 there is still a one million dollar reward um for 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.159 any information leading to this case being solved, which is 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.000 still there's still a huge commitment to the solving of 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.800 this case. And that's that's why thinking sideways is not 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.240 going to solve it right at the moment, because actually 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.959 that's how we're going to fund the showy year old mystery, 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.159 and this whole thing. Yeah. Now, the thing about it 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:38.919 is is if you go and you look at all 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.399 the information on the internet, it's quite obvious who did 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.439 the killing, and it's quite obvious where the bodies are. 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:49.040 But unfortunately the Australian dollar is really weak right now, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.720 and I'm going to wait until it's a couple of 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.600 years ago it was actually it is actually pretty strong, 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.080 and now it's like worth you know, it's just not 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.119 worth that much. So we're going to hold off on 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.440 solving sorry folks. Yeah, so do Actually we do have 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:06.200 really really big news we're really excited about, but we're 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:07.800 not sure if we're going to release it or not 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.600 on Australia. Get your acting then we can solve this case. 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.720 It's on you. This is like that picture of a 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.639 million likes, right, Like, if this picture just gets a 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:26.399 million likes, Bill Gates will he will anyway at the 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.880 end of the overview of this story, Steve, Yeah, there's 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.159 more of course. Oh, we're we're in. I think this 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:35.920 is going to happen for a while. Is there's more 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.119 story to tell before we ever even get into the 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:43.119 theory section, because as with all high profile cases, stuff 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.000 just keeps happening. Yeah, and um, as a disclaimer, I 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.040 don't I don't know about you guys, but like I 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:53.280 did my research on my parts and then like the 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.280 other part kind of skimmed the cliff notes of the 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.280 other parts. So just so our listeners are prepared, they're 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.919 gonna be a lot of weight. What But apparently there 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:08.159 were some letters, some letters there were It's unclear the 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.520 exact date that the first letters arrived. It was either 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:17.000 thee or four February of nine. The Beaumonts received a 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.240