WEBVTT - A Con So Nice, He Named Himself Twice: Lord Gordon Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zeren Elizabeth Zaren.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what girl? How are you doing? Pretty good?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>I got like I said always, I'm upright and taking nourishment.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm on the right side of the grass. I got

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<v Speaker 5>nothing plain about.

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<v Speaker 4>Above ground and getting paid. No, girl, that's right, that

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<v Speaker 4>is right.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, do you know what it's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 5>I do tell me this one. I think you might

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<v Speaker 5>like because that has to do with animals, and I know

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<v Speaker 5>you like the animals. Animals, So you know Coco the Gorilla, right,

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<v Speaker 5>not personally, well, you know, Cocoa the Gorilla could speak

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<v Speaker 5>with sign language, yes, right, and they like they would

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<v Speaker 5>ask and then Coco Guerrilla to respond and they go

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<v Speaker 5>back and forth and have conversations in sign language. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>Coco the Gorilla wasn't the only ape that we've taught

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<v Speaker 5>sign language in fact, since like nineteen sixties, so you're

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<v Speaker 5>talking decades, like six six decades of teaching sign language

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<v Speaker 5>to apes. There's one thing that they have never ever

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<v Speaker 5>done in sign language.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what that is? Ask a question.

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<v Speaker 4>Apes have never asked us a question.

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<v Speaker 5>We ask them questions, they answer them, They express themselves.

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<v Speaker 5>They talk about their emotions, they talk about their inner reality,

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<v Speaker 5>they talk about their desires, their hopes, like Cocoa wants

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<v Speaker 5>a kitten. I mean they say all this stuff, Coco sad.

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<v Speaker 4>But wait, so they don't give a tinker's damn about us.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not even that where you take it, But

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<v Speaker 3>it's the idea that they don't formulate in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>questioning reality. They accept reality as it is and comment

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<v Speaker 3>on it. So this may suggest an animal form of

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<v Speaker 3>consciousness that it just is and you can interact with reality,

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<v Speaker 3>but they don't question it. And this may be the

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<v Speaker 3>not that animals don't think, but they don't think the

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<v Speaker 3>way we think. And this is actually what separates us

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<v Speaker 3>from the animals. Is not just our opposable thumbs, but

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that we ask questions. Isn't that wild? That

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<v Speaker 3>is wild? And I just think that's kind of ridiculous

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<v Speaker 3>in a light scientific.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but that's really interesting here. I'm like, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>care about me, Coco. I feel like this is kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a one sided relationship, except.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got you another Coco, you love me?

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<v Speaker 6>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? I

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<v Speaker 4>do a gentleman's tiger.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that a euphemism?

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<v Speaker 4>You mean me? This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about

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<v Speaker 4>absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety

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<v Speaker 4>nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you damn right.

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<v Speaker 4>The Scots and the Brits, they sure know how to

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<v Speaker 4>name something that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I'll give it to them like that,

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<v Speaker 3>even if it's silly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so.

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<v Speaker 4>Scotland has a tradition of giving amazing names to the

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<v Speaker 4>gritter trucks that they used to clear the roads of ice,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it all started. They were letting school kids

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<v Speaker 4>name them, and then during COVID they moved the naming

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<v Speaker 4>pole online. Here are some of the best ones thus far. Sleetwood,

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<v Speaker 4>Mac Good Spready van Halen, Nice, sweet child, O'Brien, You're

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<v Speaker 4>a blizzard Harry Carrie, Bradthaw Okay, Brinstone, plowboy like that,

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<v Speaker 4>buzz Ice clear and clever, Betty white out Yes, Sir,

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<v Speaker 4>David Atton Burr, Gritney Spears and picture snowing me, snowing you.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the Britney spears I imagined her and Gritty

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<v Speaker 3>the had a child and named.

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<v Speaker 4>It and it's a truck exactly. So this is like

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<v Speaker 4>the Scouts are an incredibly language savvy popular.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, and their insults are always beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>And then there was that auto sub used by the

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<v Speaker 4>UK National Oceanography Center that in twenty sixteen was allowed

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<v Speaker 4>to be named by the public and the poll's clear

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<v Speaker 4>winner was body mcboat face.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I was thinking of.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, so that's a classic. It's been often mimicked.

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<v Speaker 4>The proprietor of some of the best social media accounts,

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<v Speaker 4>the Orkney Library.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Followed I'm familiar, made me familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>They named a.

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<v Speaker 4>Boat that they used to take books out to remote

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<v Speaker 4>islands bookie mcbook face good and so you know it's

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<v Speaker 4>the repetition that hooks yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's go back.

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<v Speaker 4>In history a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved doing it, or a lot bit y oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I really loved that.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember a while back I told you about Gregor

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<v Speaker 4>McGregor cod I got a mcgridg got I forget the

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<v Speaker 4>repetition of it. So he was a Scottish adventurer, con artist.

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<v Speaker 4>He tried to get investors in England. Scotland France to

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<v Speaker 4>get on board of the fake country that he said

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<v Speaker 4>he was establishing, and that was in the early eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds mix South of Marya. Yeah, yeah, that guy Mosquito Coast.

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<v Speaker 3>And he breaks the Scottish bank.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, pretty much like he just it was. It's horrible.

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<v Speaker 4>So about fifty or so years after Gregor MacGregor was

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<v Speaker 4>on the scene, another repetitive name con man emerged in Scotland.

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<v Speaker 4>This one called himself Lord Gordon Gordon.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Goon, Lord Gordon Gordon Botros Gordon from him is

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<v Speaker 3>Bold Bold flavors with that name.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the guy I want to tell you about

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<v Speaker 4>today and is with many of our con artists. His

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<v Speaker 4>origin story is murky, so like some say that he

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<v Speaker 4>was the illegitimate child of the son of a preacher

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<v Speaker 4>man and his family's made. There's also the narrative that

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<v Speaker 4>he grew up in an upper middle class family, but

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<v Speaker 4>from childhood always talked about how he wished he was

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<v Speaker 4>super wealthy and a member of nobility. We hear that

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<v Speaker 4>in background information on some of these con artists that

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<v Speaker 4>they like always wanted to be royalty or famous or

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<v Speaker 4>something like I can't and you did that but did

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<v Speaker 4>you know anyone who did that? My sister, Oh, really,

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<v Speaker 4>she wanted to be royalty.

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<v Speaker 5>She wanted she still has. He's still like a royal watcher.

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<v Speaker 5>And she's like into like the British royalty and all that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>also not just the Brits, like if you are a

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<v Speaker 5>royal of any world or any land or well, I

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<v Speaker 5>guess she's like a fan. She just loves the idea

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<v Speaker 5>of royalty shoes. She would be like princess whatever in

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<v Speaker 5>her made up name.

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<v Speaker 4>She should have been born to it.

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<v Speaker 5>She really should be like I was over there, just

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<v Speaker 5>a man of the people. From the get really frustrated

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<v Speaker 5>her that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I just I never knew anyone who did

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<v Speaker 4>come across these things.

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<v Speaker 3>That's actually far more common.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I met people in college. I tell them my sister,

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<v Speaker 3>they're like my brother.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have had to have friends find out about

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<v Speaker 4>those things. So the sort of consensus is that he

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<v Speaker 4>came from a very cultured family, and his speech, his accent,

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<v Speaker 4>knowledge of social customs that suggested that he'd gone to

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<v Speaker 4>like boarding school.

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<v Speaker 3>Or had to pull off that world.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and he it must have.

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<v Speaker 4>Been somewhat familiar with British upper class life. He was

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<v Speaker 4>fluent in French, like maybe a couple other languages. He

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<v Speaker 4>had this cultivated understanding of aristocratic genealogy, which is very convoluted,

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<v Speaker 4>the clan histories and estate management. So these really niche

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<v Speaker 4>things about Scottish nobility and it doesn't reveal his origins,

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<v Speaker 4>but it reflects the type of environment in which he

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<v Speaker 4>was educated or trained. The people who interacted with him

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<v Speaker 4>described his speech as quote, refined English with a slight

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<v Speaker 4>Scottish intonation, gentlemanly but indistinctly local.

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<v Speaker 5>Now did the I don't know this did Did the

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<v Speaker 5>upper class Scots, after their interaction and melding with the English,

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<v Speaker 5>tried to have English accents with a slight Scottish lilt?

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<v Speaker 5>Or is it rare for someone like him to have

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<v Speaker 5>a English accent?

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<v Speaker 4>I need to know when you get into because so

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<v Speaker 4>many English who come in and taken the higher that

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<v Speaker 4>like the hierarchy of being landed in. The Edinburgh accent

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<v Speaker 4>is much softer and more English than like the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Luigi to speak, or further up into the Highlands

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<v Speaker 4>and then closer you get to like the Orkney's like

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<v Speaker 4>forget it anyway, So yeah, there is that influence though,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it has a lot to do with

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<v Speaker 4>who's owning that land and from whence they came. So

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<v Speaker 4>there he is. There's those that believe he was born

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<v Speaker 4>Hubert Campbell Smith. Sometime between eighteen thirty five and eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>forty he floated the idea to some that he had

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<v Speaker 4>served as a lieutenant or lieutenant in a Scottish regiment

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<v Speaker 4>in India ins and he may have also gotten a

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<v Speaker 4>job at a commercial house as a young man, but

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<v Speaker 4>he was unhappy with the salary so he quit. Like

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<v Speaker 4>who's to say, only Lord Gordon Gordon. These are the

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<v Speaker 4>other aliases that are associated with him, Herbert or Hubert Hamilton,

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<v Speaker 4>Lord Glen Cairn, George Gordon, George Herbert Gordon, John Herbert,

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<v Speaker 4>Charles Gordon. It's like he's got four options, yet he

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<v Speaker 4>just slips them all back and forth.

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<v Speaker 3>Just think it's like a Rubik's cube of names.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm just thinking, like the refrigerator poetry, but he's

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<v Speaker 4>only got four pieces. She's just gonna slide around. So

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<v Speaker 4>summer of eighteen sixty eight, dude rolls up to Edinburgh.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, hey, guys, the name's Hamilton, and I'm a normal,

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<v Speaker 4>boring guy. According to the Manitoba Historical Society quote, no

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<v Speaker 4>one knew anything of him, and there was much surmising

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<v Speaker 4>as to who he was. But as he paid his bills, punctually,

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<v Speaker 4>lived quietly, and had the manners of a gentleman, no

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<v Speaker 4>one could find anything against his character or conduct. Normal guy,

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<v Speaker 4>boring dude. So off he went when the summer ended by,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he showed up again the next summer, summer

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<v Speaker 4>of sixty nine in Edinburgh, and only this time he

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<v Speaker 4>was calling himself Lord glen Cairn, a pile of rocks,

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<v Speaker 4>pyle of rocks. So he had a story that would

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<v Speaker 4>like kind of make sense though. So he was the

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<v Speaker 4>same guy, but a lot had happened to him. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a crazy year, you guys, so he told He told

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<v Speaker 4>people that his grandpa had left money to him, tons

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<v Speaker 4>of money, but he could only access said money if

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<v Speaker 4>he accepted the title of glen Cairn when he reached

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<v Speaker 4>the age of twenty seven and the old curse of

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<v Speaker 4>twenty seven. Do you know how many musicians are in

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty seven club?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a few, it's all yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Robert Johnson, the og Yeah, one of the first Ryan Jones,

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<v Speaker 4>Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, pig Pen from The

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<v Speaker 4>Grateful Dead, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse, Christin Faff the bass

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<v Speaker 4>player for M some other kind of lesser known musicians anyway, how.

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<v Speaker 5>Else other stars as well, not just musicians, just not

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<v Speaker 5>just limited. But it's most of the musicians you made

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<v Speaker 5>it famous, Yeah, Keith Ledger missed it by like a

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<v Speaker 5>few months.

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<v Speaker 3>And then at twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, so twenty seven is big for old glen

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<v Speaker 4>Cairn here, but not hopefully he makes it he spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 4>he does so. Our boy Gordon Squared aka the Glencarn

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<v Speaker 4>he was just about to turn twenty seven. He's like,

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<v Speaker 4>I hope I make it, you guys. According to him,

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<v Speaker 4>his agents in London were just finishing up the paperwork

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<v Speaker 4>on the whole inheritance thing. In just a few months

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<v Speaker 4>time he would officially be named heir to his grandfather

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<v Speaker 4>and the Earldom of glen Cairn. And he didn't elaborate

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<v Speaker 4>about this or tell people what land holdings this might involve.

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<v Speaker 4>He got really vague about that.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's an earldom former Viking lands, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so, as Skull because of the Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't talk hard numbers about his inheritance, just that

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<v Speaker 4>the amount was like positively eyewatering.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a castle or two.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's just I couldn't even begin so constructed credibility

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<v Speaker 4>by dressing impeccably in the style of a young landed gentleman.

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<v Speaker 3>They say, dressed like that all you want to be.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so true. Every single time he had this exaggerated

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<v Speaker 4>but really informed knowledge of clan histories. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>he spoke with authority when it came to a state's

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<v Speaker 4>rents tenants. He was a huge tipper and he'd make

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<v Speaker 4>all these like small charitable gestures far yeah, and always

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<v Speaker 4>with cash. So it makes it seem like there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot more where that came from. And I just spend

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<v Speaker 4>this jump change. And he had someone with him at

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<v Speaker 4>the time. He employed a young valet or valet as

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<v Speaker 4>they would have said. There are a handful of articles

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<v Speaker 4>about Gordo that say this type of valet was referred

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<v Speaker 4>to as a quote gentleman's tiger at the time. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>and when I researched the term, the only place I

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<v Speaker 4>found it come up in reference to a valet is

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<v Speaker 4>in those same articles, I think, so it's nowhere else.

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<v Speaker 4>So like, who's started this notion? I feel like one

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<v Speaker 4>of these sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Made it up and the rest ran with it because

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<v Speaker 2>by the tail.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's nowhere else do I see anything about a

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<v Speaker 4>valet being called a gentleman's Like you go to search

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<v Speaker 4>it in Gentleman's Tiger and it comes up with like

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<v Speaker 4>signet rings with a tiger eye, and so you'd start

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<v Speaker 4>eliminating you know, ring and jewelry and stone and then

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<v Speaker 4>add in valet and it's like, no, only these articles

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<v Speaker 4>makes no sense. I mean, it's badass, don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with it, but it just makes it makes no

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<v Speaker 4>sense a gentleman's tiger.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, how could a gentleman so?

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<v Speaker 4>According to historian W. A. Crawfet Gordon, Gordon kept this

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<v Speaker 4>boy quote dressed in buckskin breeches, long boots, blue coat

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<v Speaker 4>with gilt buttons, and an immense cockade upon his hat,

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<v Speaker 4>which in Great Britain denotes that his master holds a

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<v Speaker 4>commission under the sovereign. That's an outfit.

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<v Speaker 3>He's close to the king with his hat, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>close to the colonies with his pants.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's when people knew how to dress Sarah, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>telling you, or how to dress their tigers. A cockade,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, is a knot of ribbons. I imagined

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<v Speaker 4>it to be like a huge plume of feathers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what kind of going with a pile.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a round, pleated circle of ribbon. Still an

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<v Speaker 4>amazing outfit. It's very Andre three thousand. I could see

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<v Speaker 4>the outfit anyway. So there's Lord glen Cairn just lording

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<v Speaker 4>it up in Edinburgh. He's swanning around with his gentleman's tiger,

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<v Speaker 4>is cozied up to a well to do Scottish clergyman

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<v Speaker 4>named mister Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 3>Clergyman.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, mister Simpson, mister Bartholomew Simpson. No, it's not his

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<v Speaker 4>first name. We don't know what it is, just Simpson. No,

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<v Speaker 4>no for his name. So this was the move though,

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<v Speaker 4>Like you get a member of the clergy with some

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<v Speaker 4>means and you get close to him and he's your

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<v Speaker 4>opening into society. Like you can get you in anywhere

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<v Speaker 4>and people trust you because they trust him.

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<v Speaker 3>Smart move somebody to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like you paler around with Father Brown.

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<v Speaker 6>You're good.

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<v Speaker 3>The Lord and the King that's right, gotcha, And so The.

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<v Speaker 4>New York Times described this as such quote In England,

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<v Speaker 4>persons who are termed confident swingers, which like again a

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<v Speaker 4>gentleman's tiger and a confidence swinger, like what I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like this is something a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Off English private school, right boys school.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeez, so very quote very often worm their way into

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<v Speaker 4>the books of the tradesmen through the agency of clergymen.

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<v Speaker 4>Gordon made very liberal use of this plan. There's this website,

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<v Speaker 4>hoaxes dot org, which I'm like, did you start the

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<v Speaker 4>whole gentleman's tiger thing? They said, quote I tried to

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<v Speaker 4>find like who who at hoaxes dot org wrote this

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<v Speaker 4>show yourself powards no no bylines quote. His basic method

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<v Speaker 4>of operation was the foot in the door technique. He

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<v Speaker 4>would make small requests of people to gain their trust,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he gradually increased the size of his requests,

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<v Speaker 4>and having gained the trust of a person, he would

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<v Speaker 4>use them as a reference to gain the trust of

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<v Speaker 4>other possible victims.

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<v Speaker 5>Con Men have taught us that if you want to

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<v Speaker 5>earn someone's trust, ask them to do you a favor,

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<v Speaker 5>and then they feel like somehow tied to.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly so now Glenn Kern, and he's pals with He's

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<v Speaker 4>got this network of fat cats that he's hanging out

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<v Speaker 4>and through them and Simpson, he's able to establish credit

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<v Speaker 4>with jewelers both in Edinburgh and London.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, score.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was introduced as Lord Glen Cairn to the

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<v Speaker 4>Edinburgh jewelers Marshall and Company. And this was the place

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<v Speaker 4>at the time for metals and gems. It was like

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<v Speaker 4>the height of fashion.

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<v Speaker 5>I was wondering if that' say this sound familiar. I

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<v Speaker 5>was wondering, what do they make like the Queen's necklaces.

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<v Speaker 4>That now they have stores all over now called Marshals.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a discount clothing store in the next of course,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not when am I serious? So he told these

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<v Speaker 4>jewelers all about his estates in England and Scotland and Ireland,

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<v Speaker 4>about his solicitors, lawyer mister Patterson, he handled all his

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<v Speaker 4>business for him. Oh and and he had so much

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<v Speaker 4>money he just didn't know what to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe buy some jewelry. Oh maybe he should just go

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<v Speaker 4>ahead and start a tab at the jewelers, like it

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<v Speaker 4>only made sense, right guys, And they're like, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 4>right on. So he starts to peruse the goods and

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<v Speaker 4>he has this like super keen eye for the best stuff, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>excellent taste.

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<v Speaker 3>Soon.

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<v Speaker 4>One item he really loved was a small silver casket

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<v Speaker 4>made in Venice, Italy.

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<v Speaker 3>Casket for a body.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. So I saw a casket. I'm like, I need

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<v Speaker 4>to do a little investigation here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's Venice, Italy, not Venice, California. And it's not

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<v Speaker 4>a casket like rip, let's get you six feet under.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a casket in the sense of a small decorative box,

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<v Speaker 4>so not as big as a chest, but maybe slightly

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<v Speaker 4>bigger than a jewelry box.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And so glen Cairn sees this silver one loves it,

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<v Speaker 4>has to have it as the jeweler. To have it

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<v Speaker 4>delivered to his hotel is like a very posh place

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<v Speaker 4>in town. And then he came by with Simpson a

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<v Speaker 4>few days later to rave about what an incredible shop

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<v Speaker 4>this was and the stuff. They're convinced he's the real deal.

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<v Speaker 4>As far as they're moving to a clergy, he's like, you,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you, you tell the Lord. So from there

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<v Speaker 4>he's like, okay, bye, I got to go to London.

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<v Speaker 4>Off he goes, and there he starts talking to a

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<v Speaker 4>diamond dealer and he tells that guy, you know, Marshall

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<v Speaker 4>and Company up in Scotland, they can vouch for me.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, hey, Jared, I got a friend in the diamond.

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<v Speaker 4>Business for you, yes exactly, and then he says, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, In fact, they'll vouch for me. I've

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<v Speaker 4>worked with them for several years. So the diamond dealer

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<v Speaker 4>writes a note to Marshall and Company and says, you

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<v Speaker 4>know this man that you've known for several years, is

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<v Speaker 4>he on the up and up the whole several years?

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<v Speaker 4>Thing through Marshall and Company for a loop? And like

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<v Speaker 4>they just the guy, like why is he saying this?

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<v Speaker 4>So they sent one of their employees, this guy, mister Smith,

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<v Speaker 4>to London to look into the matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Smith goes to London precisely.

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<v Speaker 4>So Smith goes to London heads to the lawyer Patterson.

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<v Speaker 4>Patterson was appalled that anyone would be asking anything about

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<v Speaker 4>the credibility of Lord glen Cairn, and he told Smith

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<v Speaker 4>to like shut his pretty mouth about it. That's a

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<v Speaker 4>direct quote. I was there, Like, don't you dare say

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<v Speaker 4>anything against that man, he's one of my best clients.

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<v Speaker 4>So Smith, he's not buying it. Patterson said that he'd

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<v Speaker 4>have Lord glen Cairn return the jewelry that had been

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<v Speaker 4>fronted to him, and then he'd cut a check for

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<v Speaker 4>the amount of anything that he had already been given away.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Like what good is a check?

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<v Speaker 4>Smith says, well, if he doesn't pay it by March

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fifth, eighteen seventy, I'll cover the debt. I believe

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<v Speaker 4>in him that much. So what Smith wasn't aware of

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<v Speaker 4>is that glen Cairn had gifted a lot of that

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<v Speaker 4>jewelry to Patterson and his family, and Patterson had advanced

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<v Speaker 4>Glen Caaren like forty five thousand dollars basically the equivalent

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<v Speaker 4>of a million dollars today.

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<v Speaker 3>Hot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So Patterson had given Glen Karen the last four

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<v Speaker 4>thousand of that chunk of cash, and then suddenly started

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<v Speaker 4>to wonder, like, wait, was that about idea? Is this

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<v Speaker 4>a little hanky? So Glen Karen Gordon whatever his name is,

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<v Speaker 4>tells Patterson, thank you so much. I'm heading back up

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<v Speaker 4>to Scotland. I'm going to close out this account at

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<v Speaker 4>Marshall and Company. Off I go Patterson thought about it

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<v Speaker 4>for a bit and was like, I'm going to send

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<v Speaker 4>someone up to Edinburgh and I have them ask around

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<v Speaker 4>and see what's really going down. So they're constantly sending people.

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<v Speaker 4>It should come as no surprise that Glen Karen Gordo

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<v Speaker 4>big G wasn't in Edinburgh, he wasn't in Scotland, he

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't in the UK at all. Frankly, no one knew

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<v Speaker 4>where he was. At this point, the victims of his

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<v Speaker 4>swindles start coming forward. People in London, people in Edinburgh

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<v Speaker 4>had to cop to the fact that they fell for

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<v Speaker 4>the old I'm about to come into money thing. One

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<v Speaker 4>jeweler believed him when he said he was a close

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<v Speaker 4>power of the Duke of Hamilton and the Marquis of Hastings.

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<v Speaker 3>The Duke of Earl.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and so much so that the guy's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know them, here's fifty thousand dollars credit line. And

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<v Speaker 4>then someone asked the nobleman in question, like, hey, do

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<v Speaker 4>you know this guy? They're like, I don't know who

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<v Speaker 4>you're talking about. Get out of my face. And then

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<v Speaker 4>that was it. So let's take a break. When we

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<v Speaker 4>come back, we're going to track down that pesky Gordon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Zaren Zaren.

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<v Speaker 4>When we last saw Lord Glen Cairn, he was conning

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<v Speaker 4>people in Scotland. Then he vanished.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm picturing a young Ewan McGregor playing this part.

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<v Speaker 3>It's working for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's good. Let's run with it because take it.

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<v Speaker 4>He surfaced fifteen months later in Minnesota. I did not

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<v Speaker 4>expect that, I know, right, And he was no longer

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<v Speaker 4>Lord glen Cairn. Now he was Lord Gordon.

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<v Speaker 3>Gordon. Okay, yeah, I'm still waiting for you to go.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not really, that one for real.

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<v Speaker 4>So his earliest documented Minnesota residence was in Saint Paul.

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<v Speaker 4>He stayed at this prominent hotel there, and then he

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<v Speaker 4>moved into private accommodations. He quickly became a familiar figure

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<v Speaker 4>in Saint Paul and Minneapolis society. He went to these receptions, dinners,

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<v Speaker 4>legislative gatherings. He's just a man about town. He was

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<v Speaker 4>just as elegant and reserved as before, and like maybe

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<v Speaker 4>a little more reserved because this time he didn't come

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<v Speaker 4>out and say that he had a title and money. Instead,

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<v Speaker 4>he was discreet, so he would let it slip. He'd

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<v Speaker 4>like casually mentioned that he was the of the Great

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<v Speaker 4>Earls of Gordon, cousin of the Campbell's collateral relative of

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<v Speaker 4>Lord Byron, oh descendant of the bold locking Ver and

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<v Speaker 4>the ancient kings of the Highlands. Ah, you know those

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<v Speaker 4>kind of oops. I can't believe I just said that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've said too much.

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<v Speaker 3>You might people.

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<v Speaker 4>And he he had an income also he let slip

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<v Speaker 4>of over a million dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 3>That just slipped out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oopsie, Oh did you see that? Did you see

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<v Speaker 4>my bank book open? For all my fellow inflation calculator

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<v Speaker 4>officionados out there, that's twenty six and a half million

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<v Speaker 4>dollars today.

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<v Speaker 3>A year a year income.

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<v Speaker 4>I would very much like for that to be my

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<v Speaker 4>annual salary.

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<v Speaker 3>What would you do with that?

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<v Speaker 4>I would live the basically the same life why you

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<v Speaker 4>needed that, But I wouldn't work, and I would just

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<v Speaker 4>like I would outfit like my kitchen super nice, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>and I would I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Like finally spread the slots.

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<v Speaker 4>Little upgrades for stuff here and there. Oh, little upgrades, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>But that's basically it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you would actually run like a Brewster's million

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<v Speaker 3>style charity where you're just giving out a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Would I probably would. I would be I would hand

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<v Speaker 4>it out so fast that's okay, But I'd still like night,

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 4>I'd still get a new kitchen anyway. So he's super

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<v Speaker 4>casual about this though, right, and so casual. He goes

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 4>to a bank in Minneapolis. He's like, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 4>deposit forty thousand dollars please, And that's the cash that

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<v Speaker 4>he got from Patterson.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and remember that's like.

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<v Speaker 2>A million dollars today.

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<v Speaker 4>So cruise down to the bank, Navy, Federal, Zaren, go

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<v Speaker 4>in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's a.

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 4>People talk, Zaren.

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<v Speaker 7>I know that people talk.

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<v Speaker 4>Word got around about this Scott lord who was just

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.160
<v Speaker 4>flushed with cash. According to the Manitoba.

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Trying to beat criminals is what he's like. No drafting,

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, he's just gotta.

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<v Speaker 4>He's gotta scent.

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<v Speaker 1>The Air.

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<v Speaker 4>Manitoba Historical Society, they said, quote a lord in Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 4>in eighteen seventy one with great resources, was obviously a

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 4>social lion, and was made a house guest of one

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:28.360
<v Speaker 4>citizen and take it to Minnetonka on an elaborate picnic

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 4>by another. Among much entertaining, the husbands were interested in

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 4>business deals for their mutual advantage. He was courted and

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 4>banqueted and entertained in the best of style at private

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 4>and civic functions, and lavishly. It's reported that he spent

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<v Speaker 4>rather freely.

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<v Speaker 5>It's odd how when you have money people give you more. Yeah, right, No,

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 5>one like like, oh, we got these impoverished people.

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's like lavish that. They're like, no, we found the

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:56.199
<v Speaker 3>richest guy we've ever met.

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<v Speaker 8>We've given him all this stuff we had drobe and

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 8>everything else was Oh my goodness, Gordon, whatever brought you

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 8>to the Land of ten thousand Lakes?

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<v Speaker 2>That is a good question, a very good question.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad that someone asked it. I don't want

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 4>to disclose. I'm just here to report. He told folks

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 4>that he arrived from Scotland to do land deals. He

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 4>planned to invest a million dollars or more in the

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 4>wild railroad lands o Lumber.

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<v Speaker 8>No.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's how folks who met him described him, so

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 4>you can get a mental picture. Is he going to

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 4>remain you in McGregor we shall I don't know.

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he will quote slender of build about five

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 4>feet ten inches in height. So far as they're good

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 4>and dressed with the greatest care, usually wearing gloves, patent leathers,

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 4>and a silk hat. His hands were frequently manicured, and

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 4>his hair was brushed as smooth as curly hair could be.

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 4>He was clean shaven, except for two tufts of side

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 4>whiskers along glaise. He was exceedingly self poised, calm and

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 4>deliberate of speech, articulated with much precision, and posed with

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 4>an amount of ceremony seldom seen on the American continent. Additionally,

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 4>he was calm and demeanor, poised, ceremonious, and spoke excellent

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 4>English with careful articulation. He was apparently a successful after

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 4>dinner speaker. Successful who who wants to hear me?

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 6>Go?

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 4>I'll just stand rock back and forth. He was fancy,

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 4>y'all wine glass. Everyone wanted to be around him. They

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 4>wanted to hear what he had to say after dinner

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 4>speaking voice. That's me and the dogs man, I'm like, okay,

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 4>ding ding ding ding, They run they run far away.

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 4>Everyone wanted to ask him questions, but he was cagy,

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 4>so if someone was like, hey, are you really a

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 4>large he said, it made little difference if he was

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 4>or he wasn't. A lord and in any case, he

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 4>didn't want to talk about it, and like, that's how

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 4>you get people to think you're a lord. In the

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 4>course of his Minnesota days, he met Colonel John S. Loomis,

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 4>and Loomis was a lumber tycoon from Chicago. He was

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 4>also the land commissioner for the Northern Pacific Railroad. Okay, yeah,

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 4>he has nothing to do with Loomis Fargo.

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 3>I was figuring different. Yes, it's different.

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 4>So Gordon told Loomis that he eventually wanted to buy

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 4>hundreds of thousands of acres of railroad land in Minnesota.

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 4>He said he was going to ship in a bunch

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 4>of tenants from his quote overcrowded Scottish estates onto that land.

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 4>That's always some thing keep the feudalism going, you know.

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 4>So right then he said he was interested in getting

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 4>his hands on somewhere between like fifty to sixty thousand acres.

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Here's the thing. The Northern Pacific Railroad wanted to expand

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 4>they wanted to go west. West Coast is the best

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 4>coast and all that they said it not me. West

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 4>Coast is the best coast. That was painted on the

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 4>side of all the trains they wanted to connect up

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 4>and eventually get that golden spike Son, which they did.

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's what the continents I figured it was. Once again,

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm still going with logging.

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:12.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, they want to connect to Seattle to get

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 5>that stuff out of the body.

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 4>But they wanted to hold hands and West Coast is

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 4>the best coast and spike yeah baby. So in order

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 4>to stretch out, the railroad had to raise some money,

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 4>and they'd just begun construction at this point. The government

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 4>had granted them forty million acres and they'd been selling

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 4>that off to raise money already. If they could get

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 4>some goofy rich Scott to buy up a bunch more land,

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 4>it would more than fund the projects. So Loomis told

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 4>the railroad big wigs about Gordon's plans, and they're like

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 4>drooling all over themselves, I mean, just puddles.

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>So they spared no.

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 4>Expense when whining and dining Gordon in order to get

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 4>their hands on what could be like millions and millions

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 4>of dollars for them.

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 3>This was the railroads were the AI of their day.

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 4>Yes, first the NFTs, then the AI. It takes money

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 4>to make money's errand I've heard this, so they put

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 4>Loomis in charge of rolling out the red carpet for

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 4>our guy here. He set up an all expense paid

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 4>tour of the railroad lands in Minnesota and the Dakotas

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 4>for Gordon. Keep in mind these railroads weren't really built then.

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so building the horseback what they're doing.

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 4>But they weren't rustic trips. The trips were posh. So

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 4>dinner service every night was attended by waiters in white

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 4>aprons and white silk gloves, with silver platters and fine china.

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Like when they pull the wagon over.

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 4>They served all the finest, most gourmet items available, everything

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 4>fresh and exotic. As the New York Times put it,

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 4>quote from Woodcock to Buffalo.

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 3>That's just about to say, I bet you liked Woodcock.

0:30:53.080 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 4>Tropical fruits, an apple figure, it's the two thousand snacks.

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 4>They also apparently had champagne three times a day. Okay,

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 4>so you're just sitting on a horse glugging.

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 3>It, just like drink to night. I like to start

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 3>with the brandy, Lord Gordon.

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 4>Gordon wasn't solo on this. He had his valet, the

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 4>Gentleman's Tiger, reporting for duty. Sir. Okay, so this guy

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 4>he would shave each morning, not himself, he was Gordon,

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 4>and get him Gordon dressed.

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 3>You got to get the test to be sharp, exactly clean.

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 4>People were marveling at the fact that Gordon traveled with

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 4>fourteen different outfits, four fourteen for this like I'm going

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 4>to go into the back country. Yeahfferent color, so that

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 4>the valet would take dictation of the lord's correspondence, like

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 4>penning them out, sealing them with the official seal of

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 4>Gordon whatever that was in that situation, and he always

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 4>referred to Gordon is my lord. So there they are

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 4>tripping about in luxury. Gordon would stop every so often

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 4>at like potential sites to see if he should or

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 4>they would be good places for towns or schools or

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 4>what have you for this incoming Scottish band of indentured servants.

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 4>And he dramatically like think up and then select names

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 4>at each place.

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah.

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 4>A historian that W. A. Crawford wrote, quote, his lordship

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 4>saw the state thoroughly and inspected and selected vast areas

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 4>of arable land that would rejoice the soul of a highlander.

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 4>He also incidentally located and named several cities explaining that

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 4>it would be necessary to have churches and schools well

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 4>organized before his colonists would flock thither in large numbers.

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 4>Sites for cities were selected, and the historic banner of

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 4>the Gordons of Scotland and the stars and stripes fluttered

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 4>side by side.

0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh so they that with flags and like this one

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 3>day will be Gordon Landia.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Whatever Gordon mcgordon face.

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 4>And so this went on for three months, wow, three months,

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 4>and it took a crew of twenty men to run

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 4>this adventure. Yeah, thirty to forty horses. I say all

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 4>the waiters, this is no joke, this is absolutely no joke.

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 4>So all told, the railroad spent about forty five thousand

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 4>dollars on the trip. If you'll remember, that's a million.

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 3>That's why my eyes did that.

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 4>And they came out and then I was like, what

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 4>catch them quick?

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Quick?

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 4>Put them back in. The railroad figured though they were

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 4>going to see at least five million from Gordon.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 3>This is like chump change, five million in their money.

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 4>In their money, which is like nine hundred trillions today.

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 4>So January eighteen seventy two, Gordon bid them farewell. He's

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 4>like waving holding a handkerchief. He told the railroad that

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 4>he had to head back east to get the money

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 4>transfers going. He was eager to get the rail road

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 4>paid so he can enact his dream. And like all

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 4>the irritated Scott's and dump them in Minnesota. And the

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 4>railroad guys, they're stoked. They want to help in any

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 4>way they can, and they just want to get their

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 4>grubby fingers. So they gave him letters of introduction to

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 4>the cream of the crop of New York society.

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 3>How did they know the cream of the crop of

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 3>New York society.

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 4>You know, like a lumber tycoon. So and he's like,

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 4>my name is Louis, I'm fencing. You'll fence it to

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 4>this guy's fancy. Let's be fency to get us. And

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 4>so now they just got to wait. It's just a

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 4>waiting game. And they wait and they wait. And I

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 4>know this is really hard to believe, but Lord Gordon

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 4>Gordon never went back to Minnesota. He was not feeling Minnesota.

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 4>Plucked around there for a while. He he did tell

0:34:59.920 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 4>the truth a little bit.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>He did go to New York.

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 4>He arrived in New York in early eighteen seventy two,

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 4>and you know what was happening.

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Then eighteen seventy two an election.

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 4>Something called the Eerie War.

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh the Canal.

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let me lay this out on you. So the

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 4>Erie War was a violent, highly publicized corporate and political

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 4>battle that went on from eighteen sixty eight to eighteen

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 4>seventy two. And it was all about control of the

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 4>Erie Railway that was one of the most important rail

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.879
<v Speaker 4>lines in the United States post Civil War.

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it.

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.959
<v Speaker 4>Involved some of the era's most powerful financiers and politicians,

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 4>Jay Gould, James Fisk Junior, Daniel Drew and then indirectly

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 4>Cornelius Vanderbilt.

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 3>And if I'm not mistaken, grant us grant.

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes he avoids mention here. Yes, yes, So it was

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 4>one of the most infamous episodes of Gilded Age financial corruption.

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, totally manipulation.

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 4>Bribery, forged securities, courtroom warfare, literal armed standoffs.

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like so much crime on paper or paper work

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 3>based crime he could manage.

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 4>So the Eerie Railway connected New York City to the

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Great Lakes and this was a major freight shipping like

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 4>Western expansion control of the Eastern transportation.

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so much shipping back and forth.

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, whoever controlled this railroad would make huge amounts of

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 4>money and have incredible political power and influence because.

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 5>I think like two thirds of the income in the

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 5>United States went through the Port of New York, and

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 5>this was a huge artery for.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 4>The Port of exactly exactly, So people were obviously fighting

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 4>over this. And you know who was at the time

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 4>the director of the railroad who boss tweet of Tammany

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 4>Hall Fame.

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So when I say people fighting, I mean Cornelius Vanderbilt,

0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 4>the commodore. He already controlled New York Central Railroad. He

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.280
<v Speaker 4>wanted to absorb the Eerie and build a transportation monopoly.

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 4>Then there was Daniel Drew. He was a longtime Wall

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 4>Street operator. He was treasurer of the Erie Railway, and

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 4>he was also a master of stock watering, which is

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 4>issuing new shares to manipulate prices.

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it's like what Zuckerberg did to his co founders,

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 3>right r.

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Value.

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. One of his initial allies was Jay Gould, and

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 4>he was a rising financier and a brilliant strategist. He

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 4>wound up partnering with James Fisk Junior aka Diamond Jim

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh Fisk was a showman political operator, and he handed

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.720
<v Speaker 4>out bribes like Candy Nice and then so together Goldfisk

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 4>and Drew became known as the Eerie Ring. In early

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 4>eighteen sixty eight, Vanderbilt began buying large quantities of Eerie

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 4>stock to gain the majority control. So Drew, Fisk, and

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 4>Gould came up with their counter attack, stockwall watering. They

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 4>issued floods of new stock without authorization. Then they sold

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 4>that stock to Vanderbilt at inflated prices, and that became

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 4>their bribe in money. So Vanderbilt spent millions buying stock

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 4>that was like rapidly diluted out from under him. The

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 4>courts issued injunctions against gold, Fisk and Drew. In response,

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 4>they fled to New Jersey with the corporate books.

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Back then cross Lines kept Chaser, and then they.

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 4>Physically barricaded themselves in the Jersey City Erie offices. Vanderbilt's

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 4>men tried to seize control in New York with armed

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 4>guards posted on both sides. This was the centerpiece of

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 4>what newspapers at the time called the Erie War. So

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 4>the Erie Ring they needed to strengthen their position, so

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 4>they bribed members of the New York State legislature, and

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 4>they also sponsored a bill to legalize their previously illegal

0:38:53.520 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 4>stock issuances, and they paid off influential political powerworkers. Will

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 4>not be surprised that the bill passed no, so the

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 4>fraudulent stock was retroactively legalized, stripping Vanderbilt of potential legal victory.

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 3>So we've always been like this.

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 4>Basically, I read that it's exactly what I thought, like,

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 4>there's nothing new under the sun. Vanderbilt ultimately like accepted.

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Here's another one, a financial settlement, a classic Gilded Age quote,

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 4>buy out of peace.

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sounds familiar totally.

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 4>So after the victory against Vanderbilt, though, the eerie ring,

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 4>they start to fall apart.

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 3>They gotta be fighting each other.

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 4>They need a common enemy, so they start turning on

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 4>each other. First, Gould manipulated stock to ruin Drew financially.

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 4>Drew loses his fortune.

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Ok.

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:48.240
<v Speaker 4>Fisk turns on Gould. Fisk and Gould start plotting against

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 4>each other. Gould temporarily lost control in eighteen seventy, regained

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:55.879
<v Speaker 4>it and then lost Fisk as an ally. But things

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 4>kept falling apart. There were investigations, lawsuits, all this like

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 4>political pressure. By eighteen seventy two, Gould was forced to

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 4>resign from the Erie Railway, and under his management, the

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Erie had become a symbol of absolute corruption. It was

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 4>financially unstable, it was plagued by fraudulent accounting. Yeah and

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 4>fortune correct, now here comes Lord Gordon Gordon. So, according

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.360
<v Speaker 4>to that Manitoba Historical Society quote, it is apparent that

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 4>he spent some time looking over the situation.

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Whether the J.

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 4>Gould Erie Railway development was a flash of inspiration or

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.800
<v Speaker 4>a pre arranged scheme cannot be proved. Either Khan's illusion

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 4>could fit the method of Gordon. Gordon arrived in New

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 4>York at the height of a speculative boom and at

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 4>the peak of the commercial and political corruption which followed

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 4>the Civil War. In the two months following his arrival,

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 4>he obviously gained much information about past operations from the

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 4>men with whom he was associating, so he got a

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 4>suite of rooms at the Metro Hotel. He used those

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 4>letters of introduction from Colonel Loomis to meet Horace Greeley,

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 4>then founder and editor of the New York Tribune, Go

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 4>West Young mang Right. He became acquainted also with Horace F. Clark,

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:19.280
<v Speaker 4>the politician and railroad executive, so he's just collecting Horace's

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:23.760
<v Speaker 4>everywhere he goes. Gordon told Greeley that he owned sixty

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 4>thousand shares in the Erie Railway and quote, with this

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 4>and the holdings of his English friends, he intends to

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 4>control the next election for directors. So Greeley he's stoked. Right.

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 4>The idea that a group with their wits about them

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 4>come in and reform the railway was refreshing. Greeley wanted

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 4>to make sure that Gordon met all.

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 3>The big players, so he takes him around like.

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.320
<v Speaker 4>He's the clergyman for him. So, according to writer Charles

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 4>Lewis Shaw, quote, word of this imminent management shakeup quickly

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 4>spread throughout New York's business community and caused Gordon Gordon

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 4>to receive a frantic visit from Jay Gould on March second,

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.760
<v Speaker 4>eighteen seventy two. Let's stop here for a bit, okay,

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 4>and when we get back, we'll see what happens when

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 4>the con man meets the robber barons.

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Zarin, we're back.

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 4>We're back, bite good ads, right, Oh the best, gimme some.

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I just kept throwing money at my ears.

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:42.759
<v Speaker 4>That's the only way to do it.

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:43.919
<v Speaker 3>Why bye, so bye.

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 4>Let's get back to this story. Jay Gould robber baron.

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he had been pro I love robbing robber barons,

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 3>so I'm so screws turned.

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 4>He'd been the president of the Eerie Railroad, but no more.

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:03.759
<v Speaker 4>After the Eerie War, his position had become fragile. He

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 4>had power still as treasurer and the de facto controller

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 4>of the company, but then he had been ousted from

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 4>official control March of eighteen seventy two. So all these

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 4>new factions are fighting for dominance on the board. Newspapers

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 4>and political rivals are like attacking his credibility. Lord Gordon Gordon,

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 4>thanks to the introduction letters from Loomis met Horace Greeley.

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 4>Greeley connects him. Greeley's supporters thought that maybe Gordon could

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 4>help raise funds for Greeley's eighteen seventy two presidential campaign.

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 4>That one did not go well, right, and so that introduction,

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:46.280
<v Speaker 4>though gave Gordon political credential. Goulds impressed, so Goulden Gordon.

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 4>They first met March second, eighteen seventy two, at the

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 4>Erie Railway offices in New York. Gordon presented himself as

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 4>acting on behalf of British shareholders. He said he was

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 4>committed to supporting Gould's leadership and ironically opposed the eerie corruption.

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 4>It's so easy to say, but also it's you know,

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's projection, it's you.

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, of course I'm against. You are literally implement.

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 4>Every accusation is a confession. So he wanted to negotiate

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 4>a truce among the warring factions and Gould he's like

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 4>accustomed to all these like elaborate financial maneuvers, but he

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:32.800
<v Speaker 4>was really impressed by how fluent Gordon was and stuff

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 4>like railroad governance and European investment practices and even eerie

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 4>shareholder distribution. I guess, yeah, he was well versed. He's

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:47.120
<v Speaker 4>a good con man, like he just tips, yeah, And

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 4>I think he focused on obscure information to really hone

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 4>in like and give the impression of this deep knowledge.

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 4>So he also it seemed like he knew details about

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 4>the eerie capitalization structure that weren't widely published.

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 5>So it's not like what you would find in like

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:08.319
<v Speaker 5>essentially the business not business newspapers, but like the publications

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 5>of stockholding right, So.

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 4>Gould later said under oath that Gordon Gordon displayed quote

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 4>a perfect knowledge of Eerie's shareholder politics. I mean like

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 4>he almost certainly learned things from newspapers but also public filings.

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I was wondering. But this seems like

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 3>he knows even more than.

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.959
<v Speaker 4>That, figured out how to get information out of people.

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.719
<v Speaker 3>He's also just a good researcher, charming fellow, a big

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:33.240
<v Speaker 3>time reader.

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 4>So Gordon said that he held power of attorney for

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 4>a major block of Erie stock owned by English and

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 4>Scottish investors, and he could deliver enough votes at the

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 4>upcoming shareholder meeting to restore Gould. Right, he could also

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:52.720
<v Speaker 4>prevent the anti Gould faction from consolidating control.

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, because the percentage you own.

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.320
<v Speaker 4>Sure this is entirely false. Of course, no part of

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 4>this is true so Britain, I mean the true part.

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 4>They did hold large amounts of American railroad stock, which

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 4>made the claim plausible. And Gould he's just like politically isolated,

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:10.600
<v Speaker 4>He's hungry for allies.

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Andy's got charming believable, He's so believable, American susceptible to

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 3>a charming bri accent.

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 4>He dressed and he spoke and behaved convincingly like a

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 4>Scottish aristocrat, and he had like financial authority, can.

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Put his elbows on the table.

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 4>The barn door was never down, zipper up. It would

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 4>come out later that there were several respectable New Yorkers

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 4>had already been taken in by him, like he was conning,

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:48.240
<v Speaker 4>like just doing little side gig cons so Gordon. Gordon

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 4>told Gould that to persuade British shareholders to side with him,

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 4>he needed to demonstrate that Gould was trustworthy. So to

0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 4>prove this up, he needed temporary cut study of eerie securities,

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:06.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, as like a good faith bond. But don't worry,

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:09.320
<v Speaker 4>these are going to be returned once the shareholder alignment

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 4>is secured. I just want to hold him real close

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:13.919
<v Speaker 4>and put him in my pocket and get them warm.

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:18.839
<v Speaker 4>Gould thought he was engaging in like a private political negotiation,

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:22.439
<v Speaker 4>not a criminal act. He believed Gordon. He was sure

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:25.839
<v Speaker 4>that the shares would serve only as like symbolic collateral

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 4>during these negotiations. So mid eighteen seventy two, Gould delivered

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 4>to Gordon about a million dollars worth of negotiable eerie securities.

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.280
<v Speaker 4>Now remember a million, then twenty six point five mil today.

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 4>Gould delivered these personally, He's like, here you go, Gordon, Gordon.

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.800
<v Speaker 4>He immediately starts selling them in New York and Chicago,

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 4>selling these securities like hot sheeting of like, like, folks,

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 4>what we got here is some good old fashioned fraud.

0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 4>When the securities began turning up on the market, brokers

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.840
<v Speaker 4>notified Eerie officials and Gould realized he'd been duped, so

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 4>he demanded their returne He confronts Gordon. Gordon's like, whoa,

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 4>I sold them to test the market. In fact, I

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 4>need more securities to complete the deal. Come on, this

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 4>is this is how it.

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Works, don't you know how high finance.

0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 4>It's like big nope, no, no, no, We're not doing that.

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 4>So Gordon returned all the cash, but he only had

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 4>some of the shares he'd sold the rest. Gould calculated

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 4>the missing shares as being worth about one hundred and

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:37.240
<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand dollars, so he filed a formal criminal complaint

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 4>against Gordon in New York for fraud, larceny, and grand embezzlement.

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:45.919
<v Speaker 4>Oh it was grand Gordon. He gets arrested on April ninth,

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 4>eighteen seventy two, and in a surprising turn, Horace Clark

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:55.840
<v Speaker 4>Horace paid Gordon's forty thousand dollars bond. Whoa, yeah, so

0:48:55.960 --> 0:49:02.040
<v Speaker 4>he's walking free, saying I didn't expect Yeah. So Gordon

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 4>gets brought before a police court like magistrates court in

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 4>New York City to answer the complaint. So it's like

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 4>a preliminary here. Yeah, it's not a formal trial. So

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:17.319
<v Speaker 4>Gould presented his accusations and witnesses described the transfer of securities.

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.200
<v Speaker 4>Gordon responded with all He's like, I got well, see

0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 4>here's the thing. It's might a little complex. See for

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 4>your tiny little brains, what had happened was But he says,

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 4>look I was acting in good faith and this was

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:33.960
<v Speaker 4>all within an agreement. And his lawyers also argued that

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 4>the dispute was civil not criminal. What are we doing

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 4>here in criminal court? This is civil matter.

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 3>I've been there. This is criminal here.

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:47.320
<v Speaker 4>May seventeenth, eighteen seventy two. Gordon Gordon. He spent the

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 4>day being questioned and he denied everything. Gould's lawyer was

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 4>asking Gordon about his family, and this kind of caught

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Gordon out. He gave the names and addresses of people

0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 4>he said were his stepfather, sister, a brother in law,

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.240
<v Speaker 4>and an uncle. And then he said he wouldn't answer

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 4>anything else about his family because it was irrelevant. Okay, Yeah,

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 4>So the judge agreed and adjourned the court for the day,

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 4>and Gould's lawyers immediately sent cables to the American consulates

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.759
<v Speaker 4>in Paris, London, and Burne, asking them to look into

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 4>the names and the addresses. They checked and they responded,

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 4>no one Gordon mentioned had ever lived at any of

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:26.160
<v Speaker 4>those addresses.

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 3>How is he forgetting that a telegram goes across the

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:31.919
<v Speaker 4>But what is interesting is I did I didn't mention

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:34.920
<v Speaker 4>it earlier, but about like his life history, there was

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 4>like a theory floated that he came you know, he

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.879
<v Speaker 4>had this like step stepdad and a sister in all

0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 4>and they were from the Isle of Jersey, and they

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 4>were well to do because they were the heart the

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:54.400
<v Speaker 4>center of an international smuggling ring, but like the high level,

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 4>like the capo, right, and so that was kind of

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 4>never it wasn't There wasn't enough to back it up,

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:03.680
<v Speaker 4>but I thought it was interesting they named off the

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:08.320
<v Speaker 4>same you know, family members for that anyway, so no

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 4>one knows Gordon at any of these places. So, but

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 4>where's Gordon now? Where he's on the night train to Montreal.

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 4>Gould then puts up a bounty twenty five thousand dollars

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 4>for Gordon's arrest.

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:25.799
<v Speaker 3>He's not hiring pinkertons, Like, what the hell?

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 7>Bro.

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.800
<v Speaker 4>He also sent detectives to Europe to investigate Gordon's past.

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 4>I pray those were pinkertons.

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 6>Oh God.

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 4>The detectives found out about the whole Lord glen Cairn

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.479
<v Speaker 4>thing from the jewelers. When they were there, they showed

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 4>photos of Gordon. They're like, oh, that's Lord glen Cairn.

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 4>He stole from us. What a Gordon care? He's hiding

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 4>out in Canada. So the bail bondsman got wind of

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 4>this though about the Canada thing, and they sent a

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 4>dispatch to Minnesota. If they could get together a group

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 4>of bounty hunters to snatch Gordon and bring him back

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.360
<v Speaker 4>across the border to face justice, they could make a

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.320
<v Speaker 4>pretty penny. Oh, Jay Gould would see to it. I

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 4>bet Zarin, close your eyes. I want you to picture it.

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 4>It's the evening of July second, eighteen seventy three. You

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:25.680
<v Speaker 4>are a merchant in Saint Paul, Minnesota. You got word

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 4>that a guy calling himself Lord Gordon. Gordon had skipped

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 4>bail in New York and was hiding out in Winnipeg, Manitoba.

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.880
<v Speaker 4>You remember the guy he fleeced some railroad guys in

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.640
<v Speaker 4>Minnesota a while back. You were currently in a saloon

0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 4>in Fort Gary, Winnipeg. You and a couple of pals

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 4>made the trek up from Saint Paul to get this

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 4>Gordon character and take him back across the border. You

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.640
<v Speaker 4>talk to locals who told you about the Scott who

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:54.239
<v Speaker 4>liked to drink here, and you matched him with the

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 4>photo the Minneapolis police had provided you with.

0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 2>And that's how you.

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 4>Find yourself sitting next to Gordon, getting him incredibly drunk.

0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:06.720
<v Speaker 4>It's a lively crowd, lots of hooping and hollering. Gordon

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 4>thinks you're matching him drink for drink with your wee

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 4>DRAMs of whiskey, but in truth you've been slyly dumping

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 4>your drinks into a bucket next to your chair. One

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 4>of the other guys in your party is nursing beers,

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:20.560
<v Speaker 4>getting them down about a third and then jumping up

0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.360
<v Speaker 4>to declare that he needs a refill. Gordon's too slosh

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.960
<v Speaker 4>to notice, his eyelids are getting heavy, and he's entering

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 4>the maudlin drunk portion of the evening. You chatted with

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.279
<v Speaker 4>the piano player earlier in the evening. You look over

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:36.840
<v Speaker 4>at him and nod the signal. He begins a mournful

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 4>rendition of the Bonnie Banks O La Polomen. Gordon lifts

0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:46.360
<v Speaker 4>his head toward the piano. Tears begin to rim his eyes.

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 4>He mouths the words to the first verse, and when

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:53.760
<v Speaker 4>the chorus begins, he belts out at full volume.

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 7>Oh you take the high road, and I'll take the

0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 7>lo and I'll be in scarl Duffior, but me on

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 7>Metrolaw will never meet again.

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 2>On the body money Banks soul lock Loo Man.

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 4>Fat tears fall from his face onto the scarred, lacquered tabletop.

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 4>You put your arm around him as you turn and

0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 4>wink at the piano player. He nods back at you.

0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 4>You tell Gordon that maybe it's time to call it

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:31.839
<v Speaker 4>a knight. You and your pals will get him home.

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.920
<v Speaker 4>Where are you staying? You ask? He mumbles the name

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 4>of a hotel, and you and your posse all stand,

0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:41.359
<v Speaker 4>bringing a limp Gordon with you. He continues to sing

0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 4>Lochloman with boozy vigor, punctuating verses with comical hiccups. You

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:49.200
<v Speaker 4>get him outside and load him into the back of

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 4>a wagon. What you don't see is a telegraph man

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.920
<v Speaker 4>standing in the doorway of a post office. He's got

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 4>his eyes on you, his flaming red hair and bushy

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 4>beard glow in the moonlight, a tartan vest visible under

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 4>his jacket. You toss a blanket over Gordon, and you

0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:07.759
<v Speaker 4>and the posse hop in the front bench seat and

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 4>whip horses into action. You tear down the street and

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 4>head south befoard the border. About fifty miles away is

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 4>the Pambina border crossing. It's the port of Emerson. The

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 4>wagon is screaming along at full speed, dust flying up

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.840
<v Speaker 4>behind the wheels in the darkness. The horse hooves and

0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 4>creak of wood the only sound while this is happening,

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.799
<v Speaker 4>and Scott, who runs the telegraph and Fort Garry, takes

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:34.399
<v Speaker 4>the initiative to send a message to Pembina. He says,

0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:37.320
<v Speaker 4>it looks like some Feenians have abducted a nobleman and

0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 4>are headed for the States. Take action. He tells the

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 4>custom house. There you can see the dim light of

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:48.920
<v Speaker 4>the Pembina Customs building in the distance. Almost there. You're

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 4>so close to a payday you can taste it. But

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:53.759
<v Speaker 4>as you hit the rise right before the border, you

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 4>have to pull back on the reins as tight as

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 4>you can and come to a screeching halt. In front

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:02.680
<v Speaker 4>of you is a wall of men Canadian police, English troops,

0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:07.280
<v Speaker 4>guns up, aimed your way, your plans. Aaron has been flied.

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Damn right it has. Wow. So I was wondering if

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 3>the amount of Scots over in Canada would be a problem,

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 3>A big problem.

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:16.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:17.880
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you know, that's the wrong place to

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:19.800
<v Speaker 3>go trying to grab a Scott, right.

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 4>So the kidnappers were sure that they were a few

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 4>yards across the border in US territory.

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 2>It didn't matter.

0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:30.720
<v Speaker 4>They all got arrested and thrown in jail. Gordon escaped

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:34.799
<v Speaker 4>into the night, Off he goes. This kicked off an

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:40.319
<v Speaker 4>international set to so Canada. The US and Britain fought

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.520
<v Speaker 4>over the legality of the pickup in the bar, the

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.799
<v Speaker 4>arrest of the posse, and like the court proceedings within

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 4>their respective authorities. The border and kings got tense, really

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 4>this was he could have kicked off like.

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 3>The Queen Victoria would think, I'm coming back from Canada.

0:56:57.560 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like everybody grab your arms. So so things are

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 4>so tense. A headline in the Saint Paul Pioneer of

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:11.920
<v Speaker 4>August first read quote our people should make ready, and

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 4>then it went on to rant about the corrupt Canadian

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 4>authorities harboring a criminal, and it went so far as

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 4>to take the side of the Fenian Brotherhood, the Irish

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.440
<v Speaker 4>republican organization that was operating within the US with the

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 4>aim of ending British rule in Canada in the spirit

0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 4>of Finn McCool. So finally a solution was agreed upon.

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 4>The kidnappers would serve there twenty four hours in jail

0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:39.920
<v Speaker 4>and then be released. An arrest warrant would be issued

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.840
<v Speaker 4>by a Canadian court for Gordon's arrest in the matter

0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 4>of the Edinburgh Jewelry con and Gordon would be captured

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:52.000
<v Speaker 4>and extradited to the US, specifically to New York. Oh wow,

0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 4>so Gordon was located.

0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:55.160
<v Speaker 3>I guess everyone gets their piece of the pie.

0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Everyone gets their piece Gordon. They found him. He met

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:00.480
<v Speaker 4>a very tragic end and I'm not going to tell

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 4>that part of the story. It's his life and his

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:03.920
<v Speaker 4>escapades that matters.

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, asking a question, but.

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 4>We now draw to a close the life and crimes

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:10.600
<v Speaker 4>of Lord Gordon.

0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Gordon. I'm just gonna pretend he was eating by wolverine.

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 3>He just went out of the woods and cons right.

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I tried to see if like was there.

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 4>Now there's no chance you know what and scene drop

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 4>the curtains. What's your ridiculous takeaways?

0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Man, one, I guess like the just straight straight off

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 3>you and McGregor could probably still play the part.

0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:45.480
<v Speaker 5>But he really made a mistake not having this become

0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 5>a movie. I think you could have done a heck

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 5>of a job. But he was like, I like doing

0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 5>period pieces.

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 4>You could do it now.

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I think he could think he could

0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.120
<v Speaker 5>play young enough to make it reasonable and whatever.

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 3>He could see g I D agent or whatever.

0:58:57.440 --> 0:58:59.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but like he could do the charm

0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.240
<v Speaker 5>part in the smart part, and they're like, oh, I'm

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 5>also like able to go to Minnesota and being the

0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:07.320
<v Speaker 5>rustic you know, like pretend I'm on a motorcycle, you know,

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.520
<v Speaker 5>like you get the idea. But uh, more than that

0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:15.480
<v Speaker 5>is I loved all the nuances of the northern latitudes

0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 5>of America, the Canadian border, the Scottish English, like the

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.520
<v Speaker 5>fact that, like, you know, there's so many Scots in Canada,

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 5>and that the English law is still the law of

0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 5>the land, all of that because we don't normally talk

0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 5>about that here in America. We're not too we forget

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.800
<v Speaker 5>all of our past involvements with one Canada, the UK

0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:37.920
<v Speaker 5>Scotland in particular, And I thought that his story is

0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.400
<v Speaker 5>nice bringing it back around, like of like, oh yes,

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 5>and I want to know is how much the people

0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:48.400
<v Speaker 5>in Scotland mostly and then also the English were tickled

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:51.640
<v Speaker 5>by him basically mugging the robber barons who think they're

0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:54.720
<v Speaker 5>on their high horse at this time, or if if

0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 5>that's what it was even part of it, now, what

0:59:58.040 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 5>would your ridiculous take away, Elizabeth?

0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:05.240
<v Speaker 4>I just love that it's Gordon Gordon. My takeaway is

1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:09.200
<v Speaker 4>that you know these cons all we see so many

1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:13.800
<v Speaker 4>repetitive elements of them, and I'm just charmed by the

1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:18.120
<v Speaker 4>weird little details so that the I could see in

1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:21.840
<v Speaker 4>the end game the purpose of the Minnesota trip. But

1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:24.760
<v Speaker 4>it's hilarious of like You're gonna go to Minnesota and

1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.720
<v Speaker 4>make them drive you around on horseback for three months,

1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:30.080
<v Speaker 4>like that's a that's a long con.

1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but go out to see the country.

1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Life.

1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean he's got.

1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Nothing anywhere exactly.

1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:41.720
<v Speaker 4>There's all these letters that like yeah.

1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:43.920
<v Speaker 3>And also the memories Elizabeth.

1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:46.640
<v Speaker 4>But I'm just curious, how did he think the eerie

1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:48.440
<v Speaker 4>railway thing would resolve itself?

1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 5>Because, like, I think he was planning on going over

1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.800
<v Speaker 5>the border and getting away and then catching a boat

1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:54.240
<v Speaker 5>up to Saint Lawrence and going back to St.

1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 2>He went.

1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:56.520
<v Speaker 4>He went up with the big dogs.

1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:56.720
<v Speaker 6>On that one.

1:00:56.920 --> 1:00:57.240
<v Speaker 4>Why not.

1:00:57.600 --> 1:00:59.040
<v Speaker 3>He's been working his way up the ladder.

1:00:59.080 --> 1:00:59.560
<v Speaker 4>It's true.

1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:02.919
<v Speaker 6>I would like a talk back.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, did.

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<v Speaker 6>I let cheat?

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<v Speaker 9>Hi? I just wanted to share a ridiculous dream that

1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:25.040
<v Speaker 9>I had the other night with Elizabeth and Zarn doing

1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 9>a live podcast episode, and you guys were just so funny,

1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:33.720
<v Speaker 9>and I was laughing so so hard in the dream

1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:36.880
<v Speaker 9>that I guess I ended up laughing in real life

1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:41.280
<v Speaker 9>so hard that I was shaking the bed and woke

1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:44.400
<v Speaker 9>my husband up and really freaks him out because I

1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:45.440
<v Speaker 9>was just shaking.

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<v Speaker 3>It that hard.

1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:47.720
<v Speaker 7>I love it.

1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:51.640
<v Speaker 4>I love it that you're a fellow laugh in your

1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:55.120
<v Speaker 4>sleeper because I laugh in my sleep and it's creepy apparently,

1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:58.360
<v Speaker 4>but sometimes i'll laugh so hard I wake myself up

1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:00.720
<v Speaker 4>and then I try to remember what was so funny,

1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:02.920
<v Speaker 4>and I have a hard time remembering it. But what

1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:04.240
<v Speaker 4>a way to sleep, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, I love That's like one of your dreams, you know.

1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Whe's just like, it's so ridiculous one you laugh out

1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.960
<v Speaker 3>loud in real life, but also you're like, Okay, so

1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:14.760
<v Speaker 3>there's this podcast I listened to and I'm at a

1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:17.720
<v Speaker 3>live taping and it's so funny I'm laughing. Of course,

1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:20.440
<v Speaker 3>yours would involve, like, you know, a talking celebrity that

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<v Speaker 3>no one can remember and an animal that is on

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<v Speaker 3>their shoulder who's also talking.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true, but I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, Let's celebrate dreams full of laughing. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, instead of sleep paralysis or no sleep at all. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>app reach Out. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton

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<v Speaker 4>and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Lord Dave Dave Cousten,

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<v Speaker 4>starring Annale Rutger as Judith. Research is by Monarch of

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<v Speaker 4>the Glenn Marissa Brown and Laird of the Realm Jabbari Davis.

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<v Speaker 4>The theme song is by Feenian up starts Thomas Lee

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<v Speaker 4>and Travis Dutton. Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>Guest heron makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers

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<v Speaker 4>are Railroad Baron, Ben Bollen and Tammany Hall, Groupie, Noel Brown.

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