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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, October twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number seventy one. Welcome to another edition Off the Break.
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Speaker 1: the start. Following a bye week, Cowboys are getting ready
Speaker 1: for their next division opponent, got the Giants coming up
Speaker 1: this Sunday in New York. I'm sorry, this Monday in
Speaker 1: New York. And before we get into all of that,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that tomorrow row in on Thursday. But
Speaker 1: today we have to talk about signing Cowboys over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Actually it was last Thursday, I think Thursday, even at
Speaker 1: about the time we were all settling into a nice
Speaker 1: by weekend that the Cowboys made the decision to trade
Speaker 1: for one Michael Bennett. They trade a seventh round pick
Speaker 1: that could become conditionally a sixth round pick. I want
Speaker 1: to get all of your opinions on what you thought
Speaker 1: when you first saw that the Cowboys made this move.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Nick. Well, you don't want to
Speaker 1: know what I first thought, but no, I really do
Speaker 1: want to know what you first thought. Well, I was
Speaker 1: disappointed that, you know, we didn't kind of get more
Speaker 1: of a heads up on it. We felt like we
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to do that. But my first thought
Speaker 1: about the actual move that pertains to everyone else, just
Speaker 1: another guy that you know. Well, Actually, my first thoughts
Speaker 1: why do the Patriots don't want them? I mean, why
Speaker 1: does Bill Belichick, the best coach of all time not
Speaker 1: want them? So that's my first thought. Really, but I
Speaker 1: feel like he'll help, you know, he'll help if they
Speaker 1: can rotate him the right way. He's probably does what
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford was doing his inside outside Flix guy, Dave,
Speaker 1: what do you sorry? I was waiting for the illustrious host.
Speaker 1: You needed me to say your name? Sorry? My first
Speaker 1: thought was, oh, bleep, bleep, bleep, putting the beer down.
Speaker 1: You put the beer down. I guess those plans are
Speaker 1: on hold. Bleep. Oh, Nick's calling me. I guess I
Speaker 1: gotta write this story. Bleep bleep. I thought we were
Speaker 1: on a bye week. Welcome to the world of Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com pretty much. Yeah. Um, so we got
Speaker 1: all that taken care of. And then once I got
Speaker 1: over the initial shock of and I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not we play some things close to the chest sometimes,
Speaker 1: like you know, we'll hear whispers that you know this
Speaker 1: is in the works, don't say anything or you're fired.
Speaker 1: You know this might be coming down later today. This
Speaker 1: was not one of those though, Like I mean, we
Speaker 1: were completely blindsided by this, right, I hadn't heard anything
Speaker 1: about it from anybody. I left work on Thursday thinking
Speaker 1: that nothing interesting was going down down. Uh So kudos
Speaker 1: to them for playing that one really close. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: once I got over the shock of it, I think
Speaker 1: it's a great deal. I don't really worry about that
Speaker 1: with you know, why doesn't Belichick want him? Because the
Speaker 1: Patriots scheme is so unlike what Bennett has experienced most
Speaker 1: of his success success doing. You know, everybody's already tied
Speaker 1: the parallel with Chris Rashard. Jason Garrett talked about how
Speaker 1: that was a big, a big selling point for why
Speaker 1: they were comfortable doing it. He can play in he
Speaker 1: can play tackle and nickel and rush situations. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great, great trade. This is the type of
Speaker 1: trade I love to see because you're not mortgaging your
Speaker 1: future and you're getting a guy that can really help
Speaker 1: you right now. Um and you know he's he's a
Speaker 1: he's a an outspoken guy. He's got a reputation and
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like him because of that.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out, it was a seventh round pick,
Speaker 1: Like I whatever, you can part ways with him for
Speaker 1: no real loss at all. I think it's a lot
Speaker 1: of upside with very little downside. I love it. Something
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel right to me in a way. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there must be something else. I don't know, because it
Speaker 1: seems too good of a trade for it to happen.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I can't pinpoint what it is,
Speaker 1: but it just seems one of those situations where it's
Speaker 1: too good to be true in a way. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: there has to be something that's up or wrong here,
Speaker 1: or maybe this guy is and all that that will
Speaker 1: plug The Cowboys can plug him in into the field
Speaker 1: in the line and him being effective for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I think I think the most
Speaker 1: important thing is that he was out of well really,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say out of position, but the Patriots.
Speaker 1: What the Patriots do is not necessarily what he does.
Speaker 1: They are very they are not mostly in a four
Speaker 1: three front. They're not mostly in a four down line front. Right,
Speaker 1: and he's a defensive tackle slash defensive end, which means
Speaker 1: that it makes it tough for him to get onto
Speaker 1: the field. Now, depending on how good bad he is,
Speaker 1: I probably I would venture to say he's not like
Speaker 1: a world beater. I he's thirty three years old, so
Speaker 1: there is a likelihood that he could be less of
Speaker 1: a player than he was a year before that. What
Speaker 1: I will say is twenty eighteen, this was a guy
Speaker 1: who had nine sacks last year, and that same year,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence led the team the Cowboys with ten and
Speaker 1: a half sacks. Next closest guy had six in Gregory.
Speaker 1: He's not here. So if you look at it from
Speaker 1: that standpoint, just what he was a year ago, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that was would have been the second
Speaker 1: highest I would have had the second highest sack total
Speaker 1: on this team. That to me, says, Okay, I'll take
Speaker 1: a chance on the fact that he was just not
Speaker 1: a guy that could fit into what the Patriots are
Speaker 1: trying to do. And worst case scenario, he's not that good.
Speaker 1: You didn't lose anything. You gave up a seventh round
Speaker 1: pick and maybe a six round How many times that
Speaker 1: he bounced around this year? Well he went, he was
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. Eagles traded him to New England in
Speaker 1: the spring. Before that, he was, you know, he was
Speaker 1: one of the mainstays on that Seattle defense. I would
Speaker 1: be more concerned about why the Eagles let him go
Speaker 1: than why the Patriots let him go, because the Eagles
Speaker 1: do what the Cowboys do, and they decided, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we're ready to move on from him. So that to
Speaker 1: me would be more of a concern than the Patriots.
Speaker 1: But again, like I said, a guy that had nine
Speaker 1: and a a half sacks a year ago, take that chance.
Speaker 1: Like they didn't give up much to take that chance.
Speaker 1: It's not like a salary. He's that high, So go forward. Well,
Speaker 1: he's got some you know, he's got some baggage, I guess,
Speaker 1: and he's got some that might be an issue with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Now, I don't know if this has all
Speaker 1: been worked out. I was we were told that trade
Speaker 1: came together quick. So you wonder if questions about his
Speaker 1: stance on the anthem, his stance on Jason Witten, his
Speaker 1: stand why he was suspended a game for the with
Speaker 1: an altercation with the coach for the Patriots. So you know,
Speaker 1: there are some issues here. And he's very, like Dave said,
Speaker 1: very outspoken. He's an author of a book. You know
Speaker 1: that's very outspoken. And you know it could it could
Speaker 1: be an issue if you know the leaders in the
Speaker 1: locker room and and you know don't handle it. But um,
Speaker 1: it's not like he hasn't been an effective player where
Speaker 1: he's been And do see exactly fit what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to be missing with Tyrone Crawford. If he
Speaker 1: plays like he's played, it's an upgrade. And and he
Speaker 1: does what Crawford does, but he's better at it in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Yeah, he's better at it. That's in a
Speaker 1: perfect world. Yeah, I call that an upgrade. And I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm sorry, I don't think Michael Bennett has
Speaker 1: had the as good a pass rushers around him as
Speaker 1: he'll have here with Quinn and d law Um and
Speaker 1: even Hyder. You know, I mean it's I mean nothing
Speaker 1: against what what the Seahawks did back to him, because
Speaker 1: obviously they want to Super Bowl with great defense. They
Speaker 1: had about four really good rushers, right, Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 1: have they didn't have a stud. They just had five
Speaker 1: really good. They had Avril, they had Bennett, they had Um,
Speaker 1: another dude whose name is escaping me. Clark didn't get
Speaker 1: there till letter. But I mean they had at their peak,
Speaker 1: they had about five that just kept coming, right, which
Speaker 1: is kind of what you're recreating here, I think, which
Speaker 1: you can't say that Bennett only cares about winning because
Speaker 1: he forced his way off the best team in the league.
Speaker 1: But I think he cares about winning and competing and
Speaker 1: having a role. He I've never met the guy, but
Speaker 1: he seems like Alpha in the truest terms, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: craziest player we've ever had. I think you think A
Speaker 1: b was the craziest player we've ever had. Don't call
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown like that, meant Antonio brian And was crazy. Well,
Speaker 1: what does the guy just stands on the sideline and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden just does a backflip just because
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just standing there. I'm kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: up there, though Marty b is up there. I never
Speaker 1: dealt with Marty B. But I'm kind of surprised to
Speaker 1: hear that when you you know, I've heard some stories
Speaker 1: about Ratliffe. I've heard some stories about Mary and Barber.
Speaker 1: What's crazier him? Crazy's not the right word. No, it's
Speaker 1: not the right word. That's not the right interesting guys, interesting, yes,
Speaker 1: and he accentric yeah, And you know when he was gone,
Speaker 1: he said what he said about Jason Witten. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think Bennett was in that interview with
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett. It was an ESPN the magazine profile. There
Speaker 1: was this whole thing about Jason Wayne Well. I mean
Speaker 1: Mark Martellis said that he respected Jason Witten as a player,
Speaker 1: but just didn't like him. And and I bet you
Speaker 1: it was mutual, just because you know that they have
Speaker 1: a different approach to the game. And I think you
Speaker 1: could say martellis Bennett. Um. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: loved football. I think he loved what football gave him,
Speaker 1: because he always had interest in doing other things. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was as interested about football, was
Speaker 1: just one thing. Yeah, that's the point. He may have
Speaker 1: loved it, but it was just one thing. I think
Speaker 1: that was also the point about about martellis that that
Speaker 1: made people look at him a little different, is because
Speaker 1: he did have a lot of different interests and they
Speaker 1: weren't the typical interests that you see from a six
Speaker 1: foot five black guy. Like the things that he did.
Speaker 1: He was very interested in a lot of cerebral things,
Speaker 1: and I think people are like that it seems weird,
Speaker 1: like he's writing kids books and he loves technology, like
Speaker 1: there are all these things that that said, maybe this
Speaker 1: is a nerd, but he's in a football player's body.
Speaker 1: You remember when, so it just it seemed weird to
Speaker 1: remember when he got I forgot exactly what it was,
Speaker 1: but he got us. He got fined by the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and he did an apology, you know, and he wrapped
Speaker 1: his own apology. Yeah yeah, And I mean he's just
Speaker 1: he was just wrapped it out. It was kind of
Speaker 1: pretty good. I actually had a lot of respect from
Speaker 1: why to be from the standpoint of us, I had
Speaker 1: more respect for him after he finished playing, because I
Speaker 1: did see the fullness of the person that he was
Speaker 1: and all the different things he was interesting and I
Speaker 1: think he's good at a lot of those things as well.
Speaker 1: I remember when I went to the Pro Bowl. I
Speaker 1: think it was fourteen Cowboys were coaching it and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, there to cover the Cowboys, and he had
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl with the Giants, I believe, maybe
Speaker 1: with the Bears. I can't remember. Maybe I think it
Speaker 1: was the Bears, and he was talking to the Giants
Speaker 1: people like, hey, how are you doing. Then he sees
Speaker 1: me and he was like, damn, I've been on a
Speaker 1: lot of teams man, you know, because he's like, I
Speaker 1: know you too. So he had a good career. And
Speaker 1: I know we're getting away from things a little bit
Speaker 1: because there are different people. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't really I don't care that much about Martellis Bennett's
Speaker 1: role in those whole thing. It's they're different guys. And
Speaker 1: but again, I mean that is that is something to watch.
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett is Again he's an outspoken guy. You can
Speaker 1: talk about the anthem stuff. I think not maybe you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the author of any children's books,
Speaker 1: but I think he's another guy that is, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more three d than you know,
Speaker 1: he cares about stuff because the author of a little
Speaker 1: more controversial book and that I mean, but again exact title,
Speaker 1: but it's it's what makes white people uncomfortable or something.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I heard you mentioned it before.
Speaker 1: The author of the book. I mean, he has been
Speaker 1: at the forefront of this national anthem and and you know, okay,
Speaker 1: his brutality debate and all that type of stuff. Like
Speaker 1: about a month ago, we were talking about the dynamic
Speaker 1: with this group of guys in the locker room, how
Speaker 1: everything's so well, all these guys get along. The only
Speaker 1: one was talk on now his gun and then this
Speaker 1: guy coming in with this baggage with him? Does that
Speaker 1: all right? Hold on, I'm gonna pause you right there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our break. When we come back, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about that. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: how he affects this locker room and can this locker
Speaker 1: room withstand a guy that's pretty outspoken, and we'll see
Speaker 1: how that how that plays out, we' talk about them,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back into the second second of the Break Live
Speaker 1: and s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the addition of Michael Bennett to this team. He
Speaker 1: was out of practice this morning. It's a pretty messy
Speaker 1: day out there, but they're practicing outside. Michael Bennett was
Speaker 1: a part of that. Before the break, we started talking
Speaker 1: a little bit about how Michael Bennett will fit into
Speaker 1: this locker room, and and Amber you laid out the question.
Speaker 1: I'll throw it out to the group. How do you
Speaker 1: think he works in this locker room that seems to
Speaker 1: be pretty cohesive on the same page, a lot of
Speaker 1: seemingly similar type I would say similar type or at
Speaker 1: least meshing type personalities, not really liar type guys that
Speaker 1: kind of are very different in my opinion, What do
Speaker 1: you guys think? I think it's it's the same conversation
Speaker 1: we've had on this show a dozen times at this point,
Speaker 1: is like at the end of the day, line one
Speaker 1: is always are you good at football? And if Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett can accomplish what they brought him in here to accomplish,
Speaker 1: which has helped them get sacked, I think the rest
Speaker 1: of it will take care of itself. To be honest,
Speaker 1: and like, he's not the only guy in that locker
Speaker 1: room without spoken opinions or different interests besides football. He
Speaker 1: probably voices them a little bit more often than what
Speaker 1: we're used to seeing here with the Cowboys. I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see how that manifests itself. But again, if he
Speaker 1: if he is contributing and is part of a winning effort,
Speaker 1: I think the rest of it's going to take care
Speaker 1: of himselves. I mean, we haven't talked about it a
Speaker 1: whole lot, but Robert Quinn had his own role in
Speaker 1: the national anthem protests as well, and that has hardly
Speaker 1: been mentioned since he got here, and it hasn't really
Speaker 1: shown itself on the field to this point either. So again,
Speaker 1: if if he's good at football and it's taking care
Speaker 1: of that aspect of it, I think the rest of
Speaker 1: it will sort itself out. And that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I said at the top of the show too, is
Speaker 1: if it is this gigantic problem and he's and he
Speaker 1: just butts heads, then you didn't invest that much in
Speaker 1: this anyway, and it's not something that's hard to get
Speaker 1: away from, you know, if you really think about it.
Speaker 1: Though I said this before, and maybe I'll change, I'm
Speaker 1: going to change what I just said a few minutes ago,
Speaker 1: there really are a lot of different kinds of personalities
Speaker 1: on this team. Because you think about a guy like
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, who is very seemingly sometimes kind of to
Speaker 1: himself a very cerebral guy, loves to read. He's that
Speaker 1: kind of guy, right, And then you got a guy
Speaker 1: like Tank that's just like he'll say whatever comes to
Speaker 1: his mind and whatever way it comes to his mind,
Speaker 1: and he'll do it on camera. He doesn't mind getting
Speaker 1: out there and saying it the way he wants to
Speaker 1: say it. And then you got a guy like Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn who gets off the plane in his bathrobe and
Speaker 1: you know, is heading to this car. Like there are
Speaker 1: a lot of different types of personalities, very very different
Speaker 1: types of personalities on this team. And maybe again, like
Speaker 1: Dave says, maybe it's all about if you can get
Speaker 1: them all to buy into this common theme of we
Speaker 1: want to win, then it really doesn't matter, right. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. And as he said, it's all about,
Speaker 1: you know, how well you play football. You put up
Speaker 1: with a lot of stuff if guys are you know,
Speaker 1: playing football and not being a distraction as well, Because
Speaker 1: when we saw guys like Terrell Owens, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he was good at football, but he was it was
Speaker 1: too much of a distraction, not that good, I guess,
Speaker 1: and I like I said, I mean he was unhappy
Speaker 1: in the on the best roster in the league, or
Speaker 1: one of them at least. But again, I think the
Speaker 1: old best defense the opportunity to actually play a role
Speaker 1: in winning games is I assume what he's after. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you know, because of this weird week, it's Tuesday afternoon
Speaker 1: and we haven't had a chance to talk to him yet.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that happens later today. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: tend to think and maybe these will be famous last words,
Speaker 1: but I think it's much ado about nothing. I don't
Speaker 1: remember anything about him being this colossal headache while he
Speaker 1: was in Philadelphia, not during the season last year at
Speaker 1: least then he which Seattle was a whole different animal,
Speaker 1: that whole team. It's amazing that they juggled the amount
Speaker 1: of personalities that they had in Seattle for as long
Speaker 1: as they did, anyway, and it just tore itself apart
Speaker 1: at some point. It was almost like you could just
Speaker 1: see it. At some point, it just got to the
Speaker 1: point where it just seemed like everything was just tearing
Speaker 1: apart because maybe because all those personalities, at some point
Speaker 1: it just wasn't going to work anymore. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I mean, he wants to play
Speaker 1: a role in winning football games for a good team,
Speaker 1: and if he's got that opportunity, then I think the
Speaker 1: rest of it will take care of itself. Has he
Speaker 1: ever had a shoulder injury? Are you referencing his non
Speaker 1: existent shoulder pads? My god, I mean, like it's just
Speaker 1: like punters have bigger shoulder pads than that. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: wonder if it's ever been an issue. He's always done it,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's got like the minimum hasn't seemed
Speaker 1: like it's gotten in the way of him getting sixty
Speaker 1: five and a half. It doesn't happen here because these
Speaker 1: injuries with the Cowboys seem to be a trend. So
Speaker 1: it's definitely, yeah, it's just the Cowboys. Yeah, in my eyes,
Speaker 1: it's just a but I did have another bastion. But
Speaker 1: I did have another question though on this. Do you
Speaker 1: guys think that this move was about Now we already
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about Tyrone Crawford, do you think
Speaker 1: it's also somewhat of an indictment on a guy like
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, who they drafted in the second round, and
Speaker 1: you would think that maybe they would be looking for
Speaker 1: him to get an increased role when Crawford goes down,
Speaker 1: especially at the defensive tackle position. Do you think that
Speaker 1: this move was more about that or more about the
Speaker 1: fact that, look, we're really replacing what Tyron Crawford did,
Speaker 1: and Tristan Hill is still going to be just Triston Hill,
Speaker 1: which means he's going to be an active So both.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the fact that when when
Speaker 1: Crawford went down, you were hoping that Tristan Hill would
Speaker 1: be ready to, you know, kind of step in, and
Speaker 1: now he's probably going to be inactive again. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an indictment on the fact that he's not ready
Speaker 1: to contribute, not that he was ever going to be
Speaker 1: as good as Michael Bennett, I don't think, but I
Speaker 1: mean now, not now, but just saying I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you knew that, but I think that if he was
Speaker 1: a really good player, you know, that was playing at
Speaker 1: a starting level, no, you wouldn't feel the need to
Speaker 1: do that. But would you expect more or do you
Speaker 1: expect more from a second round pick? Absolutely? Yes, now,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, yeah, I feel like people give
Speaker 1: us a hard time for like defending the pick simply
Speaker 1: because I mean, it's way too soon to call him
Speaker 1: a bust. I mean, that's a multiple year conversation, but
Speaker 1: fifty eighth overall pick. His role on this team is very,
Speaker 1: very disappointing. There's no way around it. I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think those things are connected. And I applaud the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because again, this is this is the exact type of
Speaker 1: trade that I love to see, where you're like, how
Speaker 1: can we aggressively make this team better without mortgaging something
Speaker 1: like a first round pick like the Coop. You know,
Speaker 1: it's they're not in two years. Nobody's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they don't have that seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? You know, like nobody's approaching
Speaker 1: it that way. So I applaud them for finding a
Speaker 1: smart way to be aggressive. I think they might have
Speaker 1: done it if Tristan Hill was good. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you know, it reminds me of kind of
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard a little bit. When Zeke holds out, everybody's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's you know, we feel good about this Tony guy,
Speaker 1: Like let's see, let's see how much we're gonna miss
Speaker 1: Zeke during the preseason, And sure some of that was posturing,
Speaker 1: but like, you're not hearing any of that about Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: like there's there's no positive hype about his performance to
Speaker 1: this point in the season on the field or even
Speaker 1: you know, not even like behind the scenes, like man,
Speaker 1: he's he's really given the scout team fits though, or
Speaker 1: like he's given the starters fits on the scout team.
Speaker 1: Like you're not hearing any of that type of stuff,
Speaker 1: And that's disappointing for a guy that was drafted in
Speaker 1: the top sixty picks. And I'll say this though, I've
Speaker 1: I've heard from coaches just off camera and off the
Speaker 1: record type conversations where they're talking very highly of Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill in his future. And I understand how fans can
Speaker 1: be upset of you know, they keep asking, oh, what's
Speaker 1: up with this draft pick and he's not being productive
Speaker 1: on the field, And yeah, that's kind of upsetting in
Speaker 1: a way. But at the same time, you got to
Speaker 1: look at the future and how what he can develop into.
Speaker 1: This guy, I've seen a lot of potential from him
Speaker 1: even just watching him I practice training camp, and what
Speaker 1: he's done just hit his drive. He gets up and
Speaker 1: does it again and gets angry and keeps pushing. He's
Speaker 1: not the type of guy that's just kind of walking
Speaker 1: around with his head down, kicking his foot around. You know,
Speaker 1: he has Justin Hill. Yes, this is surprising to me
Speaker 1: because I've never heard anyone say that. I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: I to the point where I was not to cut
Speaker 1: you off, but I was wondering, are we still talking
Speaker 1: about Tristan Tristin Hill. Yes, I was well when I
Speaker 1: when I heard people talking highly of him, not necessarily
Speaker 1: for this year though, for the future and what he
Speaker 1: can turn into and what they see him becoming, not
Speaker 1: as of right now for this season. We actually talked
Speaker 1: about We did a draft show during the bye week
Speaker 1: and we talked about that with Tom Siskowski, which and
Speaker 1: I don't view it. How do I view it? It's
Speaker 1: I guess it is a little bit of an indictment.
Speaker 1: I don't blame them, I guess is my point. But
Speaker 1: when you hear the cliche in the spring about best
Speaker 1: player available, remember this, because it's very obvious to me
Speaker 1: that they reached for a position that they thought they
Speaker 1: needed down the line. They thought, you know, they need
Speaker 1: a versatile tackle who they think can rush the passer.
Speaker 1: They love his traits, they do feel very good about
Speaker 1: what he can become. But it's pretty obvious to me
Speaker 1: that they probably drafted him thinking that he might not
Speaker 1: have a huge role on this team, and that's a
Speaker 1: pick for the future, and they probably knew they couldn't
Speaker 1: get him at and I think they picked at ninety
Speaker 1: or ninety one, like he won't be there then and
Speaker 1: we need him, so we're drafted him early. And so
Speaker 1: I don't blame them for that because in the long run,
Speaker 1: I do think it's a smart call. But they reached
Speaker 1: for him. They just did an NFL Sorry, NFL teams
Speaker 1: do that in the draft all the time. They don't
Speaker 1: want you to think that they do, but they do.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is a team that traditionally
Speaker 1: the second round pick is a pick they are willing
Speaker 1: to take chances with. They say, hey, we'll draft a
Speaker 1: guy that's injured and know that we may not get
Speaker 1: much out of him the first year. We hope by
Speaker 1: the second, the third, the fourth year, we do. And
Speaker 1: they've had mixed success with it. There have been some
Speaker 1: guys that have panned out, there have been some guys
Speaker 1: that have not. But the point is they love to
Speaker 1: take chances in the second round. I think it gets
Speaker 1: even hot more highlighted when they don't have a first
Speaker 1: round pick, because then your top pick is a guy
Speaker 1: that is a guy that's either boom or bust. Totally,
Speaker 1: that's it's unfair to Tristan that he, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's being shouldered with first round expectations because he was
Speaker 1: the first guy picked. If they had a first rounder
Speaker 1: playing great and starting every game and Tristan Hill wasn't
Speaker 1: doing much, I don't think I don't think that many
Speaker 1: people were seeing second rounders get hidden because they had
Speaker 1: two first round picks. Nobody really remembers Kevin Burnett, you know,
Speaker 1: in the second round of I know you do. He
Speaker 1: probably wasn't or the same mother. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: because you have two first round picks, it's like no
Speaker 1: one's thinking about that. We haven't really talked about him
Speaker 1: because he's been hurt. But Connor McGovern I just said
Speaker 1: they reached for Hill. Connor McGovern was a true best
Speaker 1: player available pick, Like it was just so obvious that
Speaker 1: they should draft him that they did it. If he
Speaker 1: was healthy and inactive, nobody would care because they'd be like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like what's he supposed to do? Like there's pro bowlers
Speaker 1: and experienced starters at every position on the line, and
Speaker 1: so it's just the circumstances that you're drafted into. But
Speaker 1: having said that, you should not be a healthy inactive
Speaker 1: if you're a top sixty pick. It's just not a
Speaker 1: good look. All right, we're gonna take our final break.
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Speaker 1: Cowboys make a move, and if they do, what position
Speaker 1: would it be. Well, when we come right back, this
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Speaker 1: to the break Welcome back. It is the final segment
Speaker 1: of the Break Black Nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the
Speaker 1: Star today. Today is the final day before the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Today at four pm, we're gonna ask some questions about that.
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Speaker 1: I was actually at the risk of sounding like an
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Speaker 1: these skills and the player cards and you got to
Speaker 1: upgrade your players, and I just want to press the buttons.
Speaker 1: One time, Sean Alexander was on the cover kidding really yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, do you playing back in the day? No,
Speaker 1: not that I like the college game. Oh that's what
Speaker 1: you can play college football on this year's copy. I
Speaker 1: got a copy of it. Like they let you. We're
Speaker 1: getting into the weeds here, but you can play the
Speaker 1: college football playoff as one of like eight teams and
Speaker 1: where you play no nice and concise. She's like back
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys times, back to the Cowboy good. All right, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. Let's the question I ask you guys before
Speaker 1: the break was about the trade deadline. Today. Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: was asked about that, ask whether they'd still be out
Speaker 1: in that market. He says, we're always looking, we're giving
Speaker 1: a thought to that end. Anything as possible. That all
Speaker 1: being said, and knowing how everything transpired so quickly last
Speaker 1: Thursday to none of us that none of us expected.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys were to make a move today, what
Speaker 1: position do you think it better be? Safety? I didn't
Speaker 1: even let me get that out safety safety? Is there
Speaker 1: any other position? Because I made a case before we
Speaker 1: went on the air that I thought, if you can
Speaker 1: get yourself a blocking tight end, I'd be willing to
Speaker 1: get up a seventh round, sixth round pick something like
Speaker 1: that to get myself up. Speaking of blocking tight being up,
Speaker 1: are you ready to give up on Dalton Schultz as
Speaker 1: a player? Okay? Then yeah, I mean if you give me,
Speaker 1: if you told me I could have a really good
Speaker 1: blocking tight end that I could pair with Blake jarw
Speaker 1: I went in and Jason Witten. I'm willing to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to call that a move forward because that's
Speaker 1: pretty significant and fourth round pick in the middle of
Speaker 1: a second year. I will keep saying the same thing
Speaker 1: that I've been saying, and I'm sorry if it goes
Speaker 1: against the constantly try to improve your roster, but like,
Speaker 1: I'm just not touching that until Jason Witten retires like again,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know off the top of
Speaker 1: my head what a snap count is, but he's going
Speaker 1: to command a certain snap count. It's gonna be high.
Speaker 1: You want to develop Blake Jarwin, I get that. I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, Like, yeah, that would be nice
Speaker 1: to have, but I'll just worry about it when Jason
Speaker 1: Witten finally calls it occurred. Have you seen any developing
Speaker 1: from Dalton Schultz. I know he hasn't gotten many chances,
Speaker 1: but still but again, like, okay, so you're gonna trade
Speaker 1: away an asset for a guy who's gonna get similarly
Speaker 1: few chances. Well, but if he's blocking on the goal
Speaker 1: line down there, I mean, he could be better than
Speaker 1: what you have here. Let's just throw Jumbo Joe out
Speaker 1: there instead. Hey, I'm all in on that. And to
Speaker 1: me and Nick talked about that last week too, I'd
Speaker 1: be all in on that. But it was after that
Speaker 1: that last I think it was the last game. We
Speaker 1: what no what When I get rid of him? Situation
Speaker 1: no no, no, nor want to get him out touchdown
Speaker 1: dance would be It would be like break the internet, right,
Speaker 1: I just like I said, like I said, it doesn't jive. Basically,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here saying I know it's not good enough,
Speaker 1: and I'm still not going to do anything about it.
Speaker 1: It's just whatever. Like the minute, the minute Jason witt
Speaker 1: And decided to come out of retirement, I like that
Speaker 1: position just went into a holding pattern and just says
Speaker 1: what it is. I just think right now, when you
Speaker 1: look around the NFC, I think the Cowboys are in
Speaker 1: a really interesting spot because if they really want, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, if they really want an opportunity to be
Speaker 1: able to get to the super Bowl, they may have
Speaker 1: to go and push all the chips in. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is they gotta go and get
Speaker 1: that one player that can get them over the hump.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's what we're talking about, that we're
Speaker 1: not talking about a block you're right, and you're right
Speaker 1: about talking about a guy who happens to live or
Speaker 1: come from a town right down the street here in DF.
Speaker 1: You know we're talking I know exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: But that's the kind of to me when you look
Speaker 1: at these teams like we were talking at yesterday, he's
Speaker 1: actually he's from Beaumont, which you have nowhere near um No.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at at this team and you
Speaker 1: look at teams like the Packers, you look at teams
Speaker 1: like the Saints, you look at the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: There are some teams up there right now that maybe
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is the guy that gets you over the hump.
Speaker 1: Maybe he is maybe that gives you the kind of
Speaker 1: pass rush that you feel Michael Thomas, Michael Bnnet, But
Speaker 1: maybe Michael Bennet is that kind of guy that can
Speaker 1: get you over the hump. I look back at those
Speaker 1: New York Giants teams that won the Super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: in both instance it was it because their defensive front
Speaker 1: was so stout they were able to get a pass
Speaker 1: rush and that's how they were able to beat the
Speaker 1: Ads twice. Maybe he's that kind of guy and can
Speaker 1: still give you that kind of pass rush. But if
Speaker 1: he's not, then I think you have to look at
Speaker 1: this and say, if you really want to compete this
Speaker 1: year for a championship, you might have to go all in.
Speaker 1: And that might mean and this is the question for you, guys,
Speaker 1: are you willing to give up another first round pick
Speaker 1: to go and get an over the top type place. Well,
Speaker 1: if I know, you know, and they did a good
Speaker 1: job last year, or the foresight to go, Okay, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of receivers or whatever, so in next
Speaker 1: year's draft and go ahead and get Amari Cooper if
Speaker 1: they can kind of do something similar and go all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be somewhere between sixteen and twenty five or
Speaker 1: who knows. But is there going to be a game
Speaker 1: changing safety there? Because you need a safety, you need
Speaker 1: a draft to safety, and Jeff Heath is unrestricted, and
Speaker 1: you know they got to move on and get better
Speaker 1: at safety anyway. So maybe that's it would be hard
Speaker 1: to trade your first round pick two years in a
Speaker 1: row and be successful at it. But but you're getting
Speaker 1: a wide receiver who is twenty four years old, who
Speaker 1: will be here for eight to ten years, and and
Speaker 1: if you did, you maybe would get a safety in
Speaker 1: the same boat. I will address the elephant in the
Speaker 1: room or the tiger in the room, as happens to
Speaker 1: be the case. I've already said I would do that deal.
Speaker 1: His name is Jamal Adams. He plays for the Jets.
Speaker 1: The thing is it would be completely different from Amari
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't have to turn around and pay him.
Speaker 1: He's got eight don't think, well, you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you could get in a situation where he does theoretically,
Speaker 1: like I want to hold out him moment, theoretically after
Speaker 1: this year, you can negotiate with him. I do not
Speaker 1: think he is that astonishingly good that he would try
Speaker 1: to do that. So I think you would get eight
Speaker 1: years of this eight sorry, eight games of this year,
Speaker 1: one more very cheap rookie year, and then then he's
Speaker 1: still a fifth year option. Yes he does. He's a
Speaker 1: top ten pick, and so you could get a safety
Speaker 1: in the sixteen to twenty five range. Derwin James was
Speaker 1: drafted in that range, but why not just go get
Speaker 1: a guy who's drafted top five in his draft class
Speaker 1: who would love to be here. The problem is, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not trying to get people excited, because
Speaker 1: that's I think the price at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I just I think it would cost you more than
Speaker 1: a first round pick, because it's not just that he's
Speaker 1: a good player, it's that he's got all those years remaining.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a young piece, and that's why you know,
Speaker 1: the Jets aren't trying to ship off this disgruntled veteran
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a future there. They want him to
Speaker 1: be a core piece of what they're trying to so
Speaker 1: they have to get the one to replace him, plus
Speaker 1: something else that makes it valuable because he is better
Speaker 1: than a first round pick right now, because you know
Speaker 1: what you're getting and already he's a commodity that already
Speaker 1: exists right The guys on one oh five through the
Speaker 1: Fan asked me about this, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: would bet you any amount of money. The Cowboys have
Speaker 1: inquired about this, like they're not dumb, it's just are
Speaker 1: they willing to pay the price. And in a world
Speaker 1: where Jalen Ramsey fetches two firsts and a fourth, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Jamal Adams is worth that, but he's
Speaker 1: certainly worth a lot. And I just don't know if
Speaker 1: they're willing to pull the trigger off and to lose
Speaker 1: a first round pick. I think it was clear after
Speaker 1: you cut Deaz and didn't have anybody that could help.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had to get a receiver next year.
Speaker 1: You knew that. Um, do they feel like they have
Speaker 1: to get a safety? Know that they don't think like that.
Speaker 1: Other positions, like let's say Witten doesn't come back, you
Speaker 1: might need to get a tied end in that range.
Speaker 1: You might need to get a cornerback if Byron Jones
Speaker 1: doesn't come come back, and you might need to get
Speaker 1: that anyways, knowing that Cheeto and Jordan or will be
Speaker 1: in the last year of their deals, so there's other
Speaker 1: positions that you could say, we will probably need to
Speaker 1: do that. And I said that when you know the
Speaker 1: Giants trades of end, I mean Robert Quins a free agent.
Speaker 1: Robert Quins a free agent for sure. Um. I said
Speaker 1: that about Leonard Williams yesterday, that you know the Giants
Speaker 1: traded for him for a third and a fifth, and
Speaker 1: that's all well and good. That's a cheap price. But
Speaker 1: the problem is, much like Cooper last year, you got
Speaker 1: to turn right back around and pay him. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even have an option year. He's done after this, so
Speaker 1: you know, hope, for the Giant's sake, I hope they're
Speaker 1: resigning him. I'm sure they have the cap space to
Speaker 1: do it. But the Cowboys, you look at it, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can afford to pay all these guys, but at
Speaker 1: some point we got to have draft capital to place
Speaker 1: the guys we can afford. You're Damian Wilson's You're maybe
Speaker 1: you're Byron Jones, is you're I mean, I'm going back
Speaker 1: a couple of years. But Anthony Hitchins, like, you need
Speaker 1: draft picks to replace the guys that you can't afford
Speaker 1: to pet core players that are just kind of like
Speaker 1: you got, you got your big money guys. We all
Speaker 1: know who they are. But then you need draft picks
Speaker 1: to replenish the rest of your roster and do it cheaply.
Speaker 1: So how many trades can you afford to make? That's
Speaker 1: if the Jets would give up Jamal Adams one, just
Speaker 1: a one for the player, bring it on all day.
Speaker 1: But if I'm all of a sudden packaging three picks
Speaker 1: across two different drafts and two of them are you
Speaker 1: know I can't give up two ones? No, I could
Speaker 1: do a one in a three. That's It's it's easy
Speaker 1: to say, like, oh, get them, Jerry, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: But like what's the price? And you know at some
Speaker 1: point you have to draw a line. I would do
Speaker 1: a one in a two only if the two is
Speaker 1: the next year. I would do that one second. That's
Speaker 1: hard because you got all these guys whose contracts are
Speaker 1: about to be over, and next year this team might
Speaker 1: look very different than what it does now? Do you
Speaker 1: not want to just finally just finish going all in
Speaker 1: this year and make it happen. See that's kind of
Speaker 1: my point, is I kind of go the route of
Speaker 1: I think they've got a lot of great parts right now,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what it's going to look like
Speaker 1: next year when you have some of these unknowns. Right So,
Speaker 1: if I'm Jerry and I'm sitting there and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of where I am as a team and
Speaker 1: what it would cost me to do more, I think
Speaker 1: I'm at a point right now where I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: if I got that one guy that I think pushes
Speaker 1: me over, I'm gonna push it all in and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, let's see what happens. Because I do believe.
Speaker 1: I do believe the Eagles basically bought themselves a championship
Speaker 1: because they went all in that year. And I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the Cowboys have that kind of
Speaker 1: team where they have enough talent all the different positions
Speaker 1: that if you're willing to go all in, I think
Speaker 1: you got a pretty good shot. I would argue that, See,
Speaker 1: the Eagles gave up a lot to put themselves in
Speaker 1: position to get wins, and that was the catalyst for everything.
Speaker 1: But like, that's what I always said, is like none
Speaker 1: of those moves were just backbreakingly heavy investments like Jern
Speaker 1: again was not this crazy investment. A Jay was not
Speaker 1: this crazy. You're not talking about giving up multiple first
Speaker 1: and second round picks, which again I got. I mean,
Speaker 1: and we don't know, but see what I got to
Speaker 1: know what the price is? Yah, see what they do
Speaker 1: because they know right now that they just played the game.
Speaker 1: They're not better than the Cowboys. They know that. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you what the Eagles? So watch what the Eagles see?
Speaker 1: I heard how cornerback that both that that that the
Speaker 1: Eagles might be looking at who's the cornerback? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that at him? They're looking at Mike Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I mean that does mean these teams are ready that happen.
Speaker 1: I'm bummed at how poorly this segment is going to
Speaker 1: age because in two hours and forty five minutes, it's
Speaker 1: all it'll all be over. Which but but I love
Speaker 1: that about the NFL right now. I love the trade
Speaker 1: deadline is now matters because if many many years it
Speaker 1: did not, I will say this and you read Jerry's
Speaker 1: quote from the fan. I don't know if they're going
Speaker 1: to do anything, but there's way more smoke than normal
Speaker 1: that they're interested in adding somebody like Jerry's on Jerry
Speaker 1: said today, he's like, we've got stuff in the mill.
Speaker 1: It was like, we're considering things. I was like, are
Speaker 1: you okay? And he said over the weekend, you know,
Speaker 1: they donated a million dollars to D I s D,
Speaker 1: which was really cool. He said at that event. Safety
Speaker 1: is something that we're interested in, and so I'm like,
Speaker 1: Jerry's trying to give us a roadmap. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're going to get there, but it's way more
Speaker 1: smoke than we're used to hearing around this time of year.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't know a lot of other safeties
Speaker 1: around the league that I would think are worthy of
Speaker 1: coming in and immediately jumping in and being better, like
Speaker 1: much better. The guy in the Guy in Miami comes
Speaker 1: to mind. Rashad Jones, but he's plan last night. I
Speaker 1: actually didn't watch the game, but I heard he made
Speaker 1: a good play, pretty good. I would have done that too.
Speaker 1: I know m Jones's salary is pretty big, though, and
Speaker 1: that's so Yeah, I mean, there aren't a lot of
Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of great safeties on bad teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: other than the ones mainly the one that we've talked about,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. We'll see, we shall see. Today
Speaker 1: is the deadline at four I guess four pm Eastern time,
Speaker 1: so three pm Central time. We'll see if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: make any moves, and we'll be back tomorrow talk about it,
Speaker 1: see what happens. And then also we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: the Cowboys versus Giants, and I guess we're gonna have
Speaker 1: the Giants offensive breakdown tomorrow from Dave Till then for
Speaker 1: Nick even Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This
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