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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here's your host, fourteen year

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Speaker 1: NFL veteran and Hall of Famer a Enius Williams. Hello

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I am a

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Speaker 1: Nius Williams. As we approached the NFL hundred season, we're

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Speaker 1: going to take a look back with some NFL legends

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Speaker 1: at some of their greatest NFL moments in memories we

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Speaker 1: have with us today to NFL Legends, chiefs guard and

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Speaker 1: legend Will Shields, who I just saw the stat Also,

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Speaker 1: Will started two hundred and twenty three consecutive games in

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Speaker 1: the trenches. I was lucky, good for good for fifth

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Speaker 1: all time. Man, that's that's crazy in the trenches. And

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Speaker 1: we also have Mark Brunel. Let's get this. Let me

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Speaker 1: make sure you guys hear me. He collected an NFL

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Speaker 1: check for nineties seasons. Hey, guys, as we get into this, man,

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Speaker 1: when we think about the nostalgia, think about the league

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Speaker 1: and me growing up and Monday night football Howard Coastal

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Speaker 1: and now the league a hundred seasons. As we look

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Speaker 1: at look back at the hundred years of pro football,

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Speaker 1: every legend has played a role in one way or

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Speaker 1: another and creating the history of this game. Which great

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Speaker 1: magical moment in NFL history are you most proud to

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Speaker 1: be a part of? For me, specifically to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it would be at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars franchise we started out in Being a part

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Speaker 1: of that was pretty special. In fact, we're about ready

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Speaker 1: to celebrate our season. So to be there at the

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Speaker 1: beginning and having gone through, you know, the early years,

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Speaker 1: we had some early success and some some some good

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Speaker 1: teams and some great players I was fortunate to play

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Speaker 1: with and to have been a part of that was

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Speaker 1: pretty special. I think anytime you're at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: something that is ongoing and and still thriving and doing well,

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Speaker 1: that it's still embraced by the city that where it started,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. I was really proud to be a

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Speaker 1: part of that. What about you will I would be

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Speaker 1: the rookie year. My rookie year was, I guess because

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Speaker 1: that was the furthest we ever went as a team,

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Speaker 1: so we end up playing in the championship game. But

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Speaker 1: also about having guys around me that showed me how

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Speaker 1: of being there with Joe Montana, Marcus Allen, Derrick, Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Neil Smith. Those guys were all on one team, a

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Speaker 1: del Carter, which was both sides of the fence of

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Speaker 1: the show. Unbelievable athlete, but the loose cannon on the

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Speaker 1: other side, just so talented, you know. And also to

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Speaker 1: see you know, Kevin Ross and those kinds of guys

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Speaker 1: strong following legends group that came back to us. So

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Speaker 1: Bobby Bell and all those guys every Thursday night would

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Speaker 1: bring in beer and pizza and we would sit and

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Speaker 1: they would sit and talk to you about, you know,

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Speaker 1: what they did and their job and you know, like

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Speaker 1: you know, one work for GM now and the other

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Speaker 1: one does this. And Willie Lanier is a you know,

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Speaker 1: he basically is a financial advisor and he works with

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Speaker 1: Warren Buffett and all these different things. And so for

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Speaker 1: them talk about all the things they did to get

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Speaker 1: here and to get to that point, it lets you

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Speaker 1: know that you know, there was a lineage there, there

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Speaker 1: something that was special. How did you see that impact

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Speaker 1: of understanding that you know you're only one piece of

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Speaker 1: the cog for one, But there is a life after

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Speaker 1: football when we think about all the men who played

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Speaker 1: this game before, after our time. I have two unique

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Speaker 1: questions for you guys. Who's the one guy mark you

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Speaker 1: wish you had as a teammate. Boy, that's a tough one.

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Speaker 1: Wish I had as a teammate. I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: I'd never saw the field. Um Will was talking about

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. I got to play against a

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Speaker 1: lot of really good quarterbacks, play with some great quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, Brett Farve, one of my favorites, Joe Montana.

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Speaker 1: Joe was there and this this is my rook my

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Speaker 1: cool because I got about five yards from Joe Montana

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Speaker 1: and it was like the coolest thing. I thought, you

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Speaker 1: but I've been trying to meet Joe Montana for the

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Speaker 1: last twenty five years or whatever it is. I still

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Speaker 1: haven't bet, but I would love to. I grew up

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Speaker 1: So for me, he's he's uh, that would that would

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Speaker 1: You'll know you're listening to you will hit this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We will make this happen, Joe, I'll fly to you. Joe,

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Speaker 1: knock on your front door? What about you? Will? Me

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Speaker 1: special and it would have to be Reggie White. It

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Speaker 1: And he goes outside. He goes over over Ricky, which

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Speaker 1: and uh. He walks over to Ricky and he goes,

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Speaker 1: great to be a teammate. Yeah, my guy is running

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Speaker 1: a lot man, hands down, man, He's one of the

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Speaker 1: are you thinking? God for that you didn't have to

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Speaker 1: to be a teammate with Reggie. Reggie and Sarah took

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Speaker 1: real deal. I can remember him. You know what? Uh

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Speaker 1: you know the locker rooms opened like that and you

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Speaker 1: I'd be Wednesday night or Thursday whenever we die. I

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Speaker 1: don't know when when we did it, but but Reggie

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Speaker 1: you tell Reggie? Anybody else might shut up? Ain't coming back,

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Speaker 1: would never shut up. He would always go a million

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Speaker 1: that and the other man. And they started saying taco

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Speaker 1: this and burrito and this and this, and I go,

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Speaker 1: all right, man. So they said taco last time they

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, from that point, don't fall for the taco, man,

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Speaker 1: for an incredible podcast man, definitely a hundred years and

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