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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hurdle Emily. Here, guys, I have been

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Speaker 1: on a whirlwind past few weeks. It started in London

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Speaker 1: the day after my birthday, where this episode was actually recorded,

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Speaker 1: and since then I've been back to New York for

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Speaker 1: less than twelve hours, then to Veil for the GoPro

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Speaker 1: Mountain Games, and then to Los Angeles for a week

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Speaker 1: Lessons learned. Let's see here, I actually really really loved London.

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Speaker 1: I need to get back their asap. There's such a

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Speaker 1: thing as freestyle kayaking, which is absolutely unreal to see

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Speaker 1: in person, andone else sunburns are the worst anyway. This

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Speaker 1: episode Dina Caster. She's a household name in the world

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Speaker 1: of running, a champion marathon or a New York Times

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Speaker 1: best selling author of her newer book, Let Your Mind Run.

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Speaker 1: When she arrived in China for the Beijing Olympics in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, she was so so ready to

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Speaker 1: crush the competition, but three miles into her race, the

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Speaker 1: A six backed pro felt something snap in her right foot,

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Speaker 1: which caused her to fall to the ground and drop

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Speaker 1: out of the race ouch. In today's episode, she tells

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Speaker 1: me why she's so thankful for that devastating injury, and

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Speaker 1: then she shares a lot of super interesting insight into

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Speaker 1: the mental tricks and mantras that contribute to wait for it,

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Speaker 1: her outstanding five twenty mile marathon pace. I said to

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Speaker 1: her in the episode, I can barely walk from my

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Speaker 1: She also shares essential advice for regner runners. Definitely some

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Speaker 1: stuff I wish I knew when I was getting into

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Speaker 1: to chat a little bit more about what I do

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Speaker 1: when I'm not over here on the pod. I've told

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Speaker 1: you guys before. In addition to being a certified trainer

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Speaker 1: and a run coach, I'm also a freelance writer and

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Speaker 1: editor for a bunch of different publications, ranging from GQ

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Speaker 1: and Shape to Pop Sugar, Well and Good Self Cosmopolitan.

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Speaker 1: Kind of if they have a wellness category, I am

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Speaker 1: likely pitching them content and so because of that, I

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Speaker 1: have really excellent relationships with a lot of different brands

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Speaker 1: and companies. So when they launch new products or have

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Speaker 1: exciting things going on, oftentimes they'll reach out to the

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Speaker 1: members of the media to put together what is commonly

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Speaker 1: referred to as a press trip, and that's just a

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Speaker 1: fun activation anywhere in the country or anywhere in the world. Really.

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Speaker 1: Last year I went to Hawaii and watched Ironman in Kona.

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Speaker 1: I have been to Hong Kong, Dublin, Ireland to run

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Speaker 1: a marathon, Germany, to check out Adidas headquarters, domestically, oh goodness, everywhere,

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Speaker 1: Nantucket to your Valley, New Mexico, Los Angeles. So many

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Speaker 1: times the list feels endless and I feel so so

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Speaker 1: blessed that this is a part of what I do.

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Speaker 1: This trip to London, where I mentioned we recorded the

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Speaker 1: podcast with Dina, was with AAIs over there. They were

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Speaker 1: conducting a science experiment where we tested out running in

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Speaker 1: And also we celebrated a new iteration of their fan

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Speaker 1: favorite shoe, the jail Kayano twenty five. So again, a

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Speaker 1: huge thanks to A six for this opportunity. I just

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Speaker 1: always want to make sure I am being transparent and

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Speaker 1: upfront with all of you. I think that's it. That

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Speaker 1: about sums it up. As always. Don't forget to rate

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Speaker 1: and review Hurdle in the iTunes store. Follow along with

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Speaker 1: the pod on social media. At Hurdle Podcast and shoot

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Speaker 1: me a note if you ever have any questions or

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Speaker 1: just want to say hi, Emily at Hurdle dot us.

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Speaker 1: And with that, let's get to hurdling. I'm sitting here

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Speaker 1: today with Dina Caster. She is an Olympic medalist, American

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Speaker 1: record holder for the marathon. I'm like totally fangirling over

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Speaker 1: this and also a New York Times best selling author

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Speaker 1: of her new book, let Your Mind Run, which just

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Speaker 2: That's outstanding, it really is, and the New York Times

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Speaker 2: giving really all authors that podium, like every athlete strives

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Speaker 2: to be on the podium of the Olympic Games. And

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Speaker 2: this is really the Olympics of writing. It's like the

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Speaker 2: adult Olympics of adult Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the last time I saw you was four year

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Speaker 1: book launch in New York City. I am a little

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Speaker 1: geeking out over the fact that we're sitting in London

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are across the pond, as they say, and

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Speaker 2: just amazing here that a six brought us to such

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Speaker 3: A challenge. They're calling it.

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Speaker 2: The ASEX Blackout, which is in essence, taking over a

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Speaker 2: got wanded to make sure that I wasn't wearing a

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Speaker 2: It just felt like I was running in this circle

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Speaker 3: Fast nor slow. It didn't go by quickly nor slowly.

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Speaker 2: It just felt like this lovely meditation, which I think

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Speaker 2: comes back to the grounding that running can give us.

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Speaker 2: And A six is an acronym for on a masana

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Speaker 2: incorporate sauna, which is a sound mind and a sound body.

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Speaker 2: So they're just staying true to that foundation.

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Speaker 1: You say that acronym better than anyone I've ever heard

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Speaker 1: am before. aDNA is also an ASEX sponsored athlete.

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Speaker 2: I feel very privileged to have been with this company

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Speaker 2: for eighteen years, so I feel like they're family to

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Speaker 1: Two things. First of all, did you know that they

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Speaker 1: refer to running without a sport watch or any technology

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Speaker 1: at home running naked naked? OK. And I had worked

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Speaker 3: Don't know if I where do I go for that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I should do that, but it

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Speaker 2: Could do that piece, but I'm not taking part in it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, So I tried it, and I actually for

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Speaker 1: every day it was really calming. Especially I mean I

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Speaker 1: constantly checking my pace and my statistics, but also to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you even think, like right before I even

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Speaker 3: That I was on it, it just.

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Speaker 2: Felt so calming and so free and much like a meditation.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of meditation, do you meditate?

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Speaker 2: I would hesitate in calling my I like saying that

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Speaker 2: I meditate. But I do use the Headspace app with

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Speaker 2: the tools to be able to reset herself.

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Speaker 1: How was that the first time you guys did that together.

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Speaker 1: Was she open to it?

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Speaker 2: something after you try it, so she had to try

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Speaker 1: And Where's home?

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Speaker 2: Home is in Mammoth Lakes, California, to ski resort in

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Speaker 1: And you live there with your husband Andrew obviously.

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Speaker 3: So life's adventuress.

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Speaker 1: And Andrew's a coach as well. He is.

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Speaker 2: He's the coach of the Mammoth Track Club and he

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Speaker 1: How is that having? I mean, you don't necessarily work together,

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Speaker 2: So together a lot of our day and I think

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Speaker 2: it's great that we're mutually supportive. We have different ideas

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Speaker 2: I love.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome goals. I'm also sitting here thinking a little

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Speaker 1: Really is that same type of meditation time. I feel like.

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Speaker 2: I've made a practice out of being mindful. But I

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Speaker 2: People that roll their eyes because it seems cliche because

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Speaker 2: it's in its simplest form, just the art of paying attention, Like,

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Speaker 2: just pay attention. What thoughts are you serving you better?

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Speaker 2: How does this how does this idea make you feel?

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Speaker 2: Or how does this moment make you feel? And take

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Speaker 2: We can I think over complicate ideas that can be

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Speaker 1: So you've been running for thirty four years, and as

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Speaker 1: to ask you is not just how you got started running,

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Speaker 1: but when was the point that you realized that you

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Speaker 2: I think I was good from the beginning, but it's

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Speaker 2: because I enjoyed it from the beginning. So I don't

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it because I was good, but it was

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Speaker 2: do to gain a slight edge, and another slight edge

442
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: by getting your sleep, and another.

443
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: Slight edge by hydrating.

444
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,959
Speaker 2: It's like all these little things that add up to

445
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: to being able to perform at your best. So getting

446
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 2: there a few weeks ahead, to adapt to the heat

447
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 2: and humidity, to to get on the time zone, and

448
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: to really get in a groove and do your your

449
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: tapering there so that you're going in confident and not sluggish.

450
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Speaker 1: How did you feel going into the Beijing Olympics?

451
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Speaker 2: Going into Beijing, ten days out in the town at

452
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: the coastal town of Dolian, I did an eighteen mile

453
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: marathon simulation run where I start off easy and get

454
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: down to marathon pace, and it was the best marathon

455
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: simulation run I had ever done in my career.

456
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: So I felt so confident going into this race.

457
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: Quick pause, what's your marathon pace?

458
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: My marathon pace is is five point twenty to five

459
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: thirty depending on the course. You know, Beijing wasn't going

460
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: to be a fast course because of the heat, then

461
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: that was going to challenge us there.

462
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: I like can't make it from my bed to like

463
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: my bathroom sink to brush my teeth.

464
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 3: In five minutes and twenty seconds.

465
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: I think my fastest mile I've ever run is like

466
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: a six fourteen and that's a single just a quick singal. Yeah,

467
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: but that's swift, and you know what I just aspire

468
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: to one day I have a five to fourteen marathon pace.

469
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Speaker 1: That's outstanding. Okay, so you feel really great.

470
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: Yes, And so you would have been in the lead

471
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 2: pack for the first few miles because we were probably

472
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: going six thirties this six thirty second smile.

473
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 3: It was just a lot of people looking around.

474
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to make a move yet it was early,

475
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: and so everybody was just kind of feeling out the

476
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: race to see who would make a move. And I

477
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: remember going going through these gardens and feeling like a

478
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: tightness on top of my foot, and the very next

479
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: step was a crack and splintering of my third metatarsal

480
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: and I could hear it pop like a popsicle stick

481
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: where kind of splinters after the pop.

482
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: It was nauseating to even think about.

483
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: Once I was on the bus, like repeating that sound

484
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: in my head, but a bus had to pick me

485
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: up because I couldn't put any weight on my foot,

486
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: and I made my way to the finish line. The

487
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: Beautiful Bird's Nest was not the way I had anticipated

488
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: entering that stadium.

489
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: I read your book, your New York Times best selling book,

490
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: let your mind round in the chapter about this, and

491
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about how this might have happened.

492
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: Right right, So it took me a while to get there,

493
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: But as soon as when I was on the bus

494
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 2: and sobbing into this towel, I finally thought, you know what,

495
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to figure out how this happened, Like this

496
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: doesn't just happen per chance, And I'm not about to

497
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: chalk it up to tour runners and athletes pushing the

498
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: limits and breaking their bodies, because I feel our bodies

499
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: are very capable and very strong.

500
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: So I really wanted to figure out why.

501
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: And as soon as I got into that mindset of

502
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: figuring out why, I already felt empowered. I already felt

503
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: like I was going to be stronger after.

504
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: So what did you start to kind of how I

505
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: guess at this point you start to kind of backtrack

506
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: and like retrace your steps to figure out what may

507
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: have been a trigger for this?

508
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: Right, I was thinking, oh, man, what did I do? Like,

509
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: what didn't I What didn't I accomplish here? That what

510
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 2: was the missing piece of this puzzle that would allow

511
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: me to get get an Olympic medal again?

512
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Speaker 3: And earlier that year I had gotten giardia in out

513
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 3: of drinking.

514
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: I was drinking out of a stream in Colorado, which

515
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: was a no no, but I thought it was high enough.

516
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: And I got giardia a couple of weeks later, but

517
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I thought maybe I ate something weird,

518
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: and then I thought I had the flu. And by

519
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: the time I went to the doctors, I was like

520
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: a week and a half into to just not absorbing

521
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: any any of the nutrients I was eating. And so

522
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 2: talking with the doctors in hindsight, they said that because

523
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: I was still running, that my body, in order to

524
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: still have cardiac function, took all the nutrients from my bones,

525
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: leached all the nutrients from my bones, Like aren't our

526
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: bodies amazing that my heart took priority over everything, Like

527
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: I just still am in awe of that. And so

528
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: in order for my heart to keep pumping, it leached

529
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: the nutrients and minerals it needed from my bones and

530
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: they never got reabsorbed because I had zero vitamin D

531
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: in my body because I've gone through melanoma on three occasions,

532
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: and so the sun is not an option. I didn't

533
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: know that vitamin D was a thing then. Now it's

534
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: pretty much something in a blood profile that's very common

535
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: to when your blood is taken, it's common to search

536
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: for how much vitamin do you have because it's supposed

537
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: to decrease inflammation and be anti cancer, and so it's

538
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: an important mineral vitamin to have. And because I didn't

539
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: have vitamin D in my system but a lot of calcium,

540
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to reabsorb the calcium into my bone.

541
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: So I just made it my mission to sit around

542
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: and eat a lot of foods with vitamin D in it.

543
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: And it was surprising to know what those foods were

544
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: because there wasn't a lot of research then, But it

545
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: ended up being the yolks of farm raised eggs because

546
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: the chickens are getting a lot of scent, so those

547
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: egg yolks are as orange as a per simon. They're

548
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: just beautiful and you can tell they're healthy for you

549
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: just by the looks of them, and they have a

550
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: much different look than conventional egg and herring and salmon.

551
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: Some cold water fishes that are really high in vitamin

552
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: D organic leafy greens because they have more bioavailability so

553
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: you can absorb the vitamin D more efficiently and then

554
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: fortified foods, breads and milks and orange juices that have vitamin.

555
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: D in them.

556
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: So it was a learning experience and I felt every

557
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: day that I was getting stronger, and it was interesting,

558
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: even with my foot in a cast and sitting on

559
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: the couch, I felt like I was a healthier version

560
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: of myself than right before the Olympic Games, when I

561
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: was thinking I was going to meddle.

562
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: This. Uh, it makes me think a lot because obviously,

563
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: as a professional athlete, your body is it's your money maker,

564
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: your whole identity. Yeah everything, Yes, Where are you mentally

565
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: when this happened, because you had to pretty much relearn

566
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: how to walk? Yes?

567
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: And I think because I've practiced positivity for so many

568
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: years that it was to make that transition, Even on

569
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: the bus without answers when I was heading to the

570
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: Bird's nest, I remember one minute on the bus being

571
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: so angry at my body for failing me. And then

572
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: in the hospital in the Olympic village after I got

573
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: the results of my X ray and my doctor back

574
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: home saying don't let a bedsheet touch your toe because

575
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: your foot swelled so badly it.

576
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: Pushed your bones back into place.

577
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: So here with all these splintered and feathered pieces of

578
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: my bones just squeezed back into place from inflammation.

579
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: And so whereas a couple hours earlier, I.

580
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: Was angry at my body, in this moment, I was

581
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 2: amazed at it for already starting the healing process. So

582
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: our bodies want to be healthy if we give it

583
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: the avenue to do so. And I was really understanding

584
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: in that moment that there's a big difference between fitness

585
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: and health.

586
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: And I was fit, but I was not healthy.

587
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: That's outrageous to have that mindset right off the bat.

588
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I did an interview with Don Harper Nelson a couple

589
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: of years ago, and we talked about her experience in

590
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: Beijing right actually, and she fell on the hurdles and

591
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: she immediately wanted out of the stadium. She hopped a

592
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: fence with her husband, and I think they tried to

593
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: get away from the press, and she had a moment

594
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: right before they got, you know, all the way out,

595
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: and she said, you could do two things here. You

596
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: can try to leave, you can get out of here,

597
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: or you could stop, have your moment, reflect and then

598
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: go back in there and face it, because what can

599
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: happen is if you don't stop and learn from mistakes.

600
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: What their mistake. You didn't put all that effort into fail.

601
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: But if you don't stop and look at what happened

602
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: and analyze and go back to it, then what's it

603
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: going to serve you? So she affectionately talked about how

604
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: she went back in and she'd talked to the reporters

605
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: and she reflected on her race and she learned so

606
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: much from it because she was willing to confront it.

607
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you were so willing right off

608
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: the bat.

609
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, to process it.

610
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: And it's such an important part of that journey of

611
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: self improvement that we can look at disappointment, which Don

612
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: and I have both run the gamut of international experience

613
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: on disappointment, like highs and lows, disappointments and victories. But

614
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: we can process it in these hard terms like disappointment

615
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: instead of feeling like a failure in disappointment, which I

616
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: had made the mistake of doing for so many years,

617
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: to think of disappointment as a desire to be better,

618
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: That it's a feeling that comes with being totally invested

619
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: in something and wanting more and expecting more. So how

620
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: do I get more out of myself?

621
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: The next time, and that's when it becomes that's when

622
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: you evolve into more of a growth mindset instead of

623
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: this debilitating one where you're seeping in disappointment. So it's

624
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: about defining these hard emotions in a better way that

625
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: can serve us.

626
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any consistent mantras that you repeat to

627
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: yourself when you run?

628
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: Oh, she's nodding, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think mantras are

629
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: really are really important. It's not something that I use

630
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: on a daily basis, but it definitely is there through

631
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: some of the more challenging moments of a race or

632
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: a workout. And the one that seems to work for

633
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: me so often is define yourself. Because there's so many

634
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: occasions where we think, oh, it's just one race or

635
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: someone's I remember thinking so strangely one time of you

636
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: know what, someone's going to win this race next year.

637
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: Someone won this race last year, So who really cares?

638
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: Like this, We're not like solving world problems here. It's

639
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: only a race.

640
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: It's only it's only a run through this this darn city,

641
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: you know. And I just.

642
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: Laugh at how we can rationalize giving up on our

643
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: goals and our dreams.

644
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: And so I make it. I make it a bigger picture.

645
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: I make it about making this choice is forming the

646
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: habits that I'm going to rely on for the rest

647
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: of my life. If I give up now, then I

648
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: can get into a habit of giving up. But if

649
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: I dig down and try harder, then I'm also forming

650
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: the habits to do that. So to me, I make

651
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: it about defining who I am as a human being,

652
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: and that becomes a much much harder thing to bail

653
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: out of.

654
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Many talk about putting the pressure.

655
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, the moment becomes very intense.

656
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, obviously Beijing is effectively for our

657
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: purposes your hurdle moment. Would you say that at that

658
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: time you had that same mental approach to running or

659
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: do you think that this is really thinking? Okay, each

660
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: of these situations contributes to the bigger picture. Do you

661
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: feel like that was developing for you at that time,

662
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: that kind of mono or have you been there for years?

663
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: I think it's taken time, but I had definitely been

664
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: practicing what it takes to get through a hard moment

665
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: for years before that, and whether it's practicing gratitude or

666
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: it's or keeping keeping a journal to see how you

667
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: handle handle hard times. It could be relying on friends

668
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: and family. There's just so many options to be inspired

669
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 2: and to keep going around us. We sometimes get caught

670
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: up in paying attention to the challenges around us, when

671
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: simultaneously there's a lot of good happening and support for us.

672
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: So it's important to give our attention to the good

673
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: stuff in order to thrive more. But I think that

674
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: all that practice certainly allowed me to sob in that

675
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: towel and get over it very quickly and move on

676
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: to growing from there. So it's I think that the

677
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: practice is very important on a daily basis, as opposed

678
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: to just relying on these tools.

679
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: When when something hits the fan, when.

680
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: You got back on your feet and you started running,

681
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: even just a little bit, talk to me about how

682
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: that felt. Yeah, it was.

683
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: It was strange to have to learned a walk again

684
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: because I was in a cast for so long, and

685
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: then a boot, and then finally only able to balance

686
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: on two legs, but I couldn't really walk around. It

687
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: was a very gradual build up to being able to run,

688
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: but learning able to walk heel, rolling off the toe,

689
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: making sure you're not favoring that middle metatarsal and creating

690
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: bad habits in your gate before before starting to run again,

691
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: and then being able to finally get on this trail

692
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: for this hike, to get on unstable surface, which seemed

693
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: so exciting.

694
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: You know, So you took a hike, yeah, before you

695
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: started to run, Yes.

696
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: And every day was every I shouldn't say every day,

697
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: because there's days where you're tired or whatever, but every

698
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: week just felt like this amazing growth, like oh.

699
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: My gosh, I'm standing on both of my feet.

700
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: Again, and I tried to celebrate and honor that as

701
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: opposed to compare myself to a to a two twenty

702
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: marathonor And so I was on this hike and it

703
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: was supposed to be two hours long, and I chose

704
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: at place I had never been so that I could explore,

705
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: which really gets me excited. And I went through this

706
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: long lake valley and I looked at my watch, and

707
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: I looked at my map, and I thought, and I

708
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: had like a real map in my hand because I

709
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: was afraid that that I wouldn't get GPS signals. And

710
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: so I went old school and I realized, like, I'm

711
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: not going to see much if I don't hustle and

712
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: get going so I just started jogging and immediately felt

713
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: this rush of endorphins and joy of like moving through

714
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: the mountains and climbing this hill, just like my breath

715
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: heaving to realize I was at twelve thousand feet and

716
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: the way back just in like this euphoric state of

717
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: being part of something that I enjoy so deeply. And

718
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: it had nothing to do with time or place, similar

719
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: to being here in London. It had nothing to do

720
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: with that. It was just the joy of moving again.

721
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: Did you ever think during your that you wouldn't run again?

722
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: I did.

723
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: I questioned it for sure. I thought maybe my foot

724
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't heal properly. I thought maybe that much time off

725
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: would set me back years in fitness, and so I

726
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: wasn't sure. But I also felt okay with it. I

727
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: felt that I was just happy to have my health back,

728
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: happy to understand health in a different way, in a

729
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: broader way, knowing that things can be happening internally that

730
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: are totally so far under the surface we don't see

731
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: them going on, and so to pay attention to how

732
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: I feel a little more energy wise was really important.

733
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: So I feel like the upset of it all was

734
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 3: truly a gift.

735
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: In the end, what I want to know is what

736
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: has been some of the best advice that you have

737
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: been given in your career? Because you're giving me excellent

738
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: advice of how to stay resilient, but who gives you

739
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: the advice back?

740
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: I feel like inspiration is always around us. I think

741
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: the person that has influenced me the most has been

742
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: my first professional coach, Job Hill, and he showed me

743
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: through example that the power of all that we possess,

744
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: whether it's time, money, knowledge, food, the value of it

745
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: increases exponentially the moment it's shared. And so I feel

746
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: he lived that example, and it's become more or less

747
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: my life philosophy that if I have it, share it

748
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: because what good is it? Was my motivation in writing

749
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: Let Your Mind Run? Because what good is having all

750
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: these universal truths that running has taught me if I'm

751
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: not also sharing it with the people around me. I

752
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: share it with my teammates and my friends. But to

753
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: be able to share it in a bigger way has

754
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: been a huge reward. What's better than making a nice

755
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: meal and sharing it with others as opposed to just

756
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: sitting down and eating it yourself. So I love that

757
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: the sharing of everything that we have, and it really

758
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: makes what we have more valuable.

759
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: I feel like you probably leaned into a lot of

760
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: the people that give you inspiration after Beijing making your comeback.

761
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: Tell me what happens when you're back.

762
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're back, and you're just trying to settle into

763
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: to that journey of progress. You're looking at coaches for

764
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: better advice, You're looking at your teammates for inspiration, and

765
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: really feeding off the progress day to day without comparing

766
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: who you were a year prior, or two years prior

767
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: or ten years prior.

768
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 3: You're just looking at.

769
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: The at the progress and the process itself, and when

770
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: you can really do that, be mindful in the moment

771
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: of that journey forward, I think you can be proud

772
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: instead of disappointed in where you are.

773
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: So you are getting back into running, You're regaining all

774
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: the strength, You're doing it successfully in a way that

775
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: you can now say, Okay, I'm not done with this yet.

776
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: That must have been empowering.

777
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 2: It felt it felt amazing to just feel that snap

778
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: back in your legs to do that first speed session.

779
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: I mean all those first they just lined up, my

780
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: first five miles, my first ten miles, my first speed session,

781
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: my first temple run, my first long run.

782
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: It all felt amazing.

783
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: What's a piece of advice that you'd want to give

784
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: someone who wants to tackle that first mile, that first

785
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: five mile, that first ten mile, like they want to

786
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: do it and maybe they're a little bit scared.

787
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: I would say the reward is just putting your shoes

788
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: on and doing it. I used to think that you

789
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: needed to incentivize things like that, these bold moves that

790
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: we sometimes make, like getting off the couch and running

791
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: our first mile. But the reward is just in the

792
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: process itself, and it's so empowering to question what we

793
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: can do and then go ahead and do it. It

794
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: makes it feel that much more special. So the fear

795
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: or the intimidation shouldn't stop you, but it should allow

796
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: you to know that it's going to be that much

797
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: greater once you get there.

798
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: So it's also enjoying the journey absolutely. I kept telling

799
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: myself that in Boston, you know, you get to Boston,

800
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: you get to Boston and it's the weather. There's nothing

801
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: you can do and you can't control it, and you

802
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: just have to accept it. And it's like, in the meantime,

803
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: you got to step back and realize this journey has

804
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: been so special already.

805
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: Right, Absolutely, it's special just to get to the starting

806
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: line of Boston. It's a journey in and of itself,

807
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: and people should feel that the reward is the race itself.

808
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: Even though we were met with horrific conditions, it's still

809
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: just this. The human spirit that allows you to continue

810
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: going is a real beautiful thing to acknowledge.

811
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: So at this time in twenty ten, you're running a

812
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: lot and something feels a little bit off, So what's

813
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: happening in data?

814
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: I went from working out in a really great way

815
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: to just feeling awful. And I had no idea. Oh,

816
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: I will make a long story shirt short. But I

817
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: was pregnant and ended up having a very sedentary pregnancy.

818
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: I thought maybe I could at least run a half

819
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: hour a day for the health of it, to get

820
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: out and enjoy views and exercise and fresh air, for

821
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: the health of me and the baby growing.

822
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: And I couldn't do it.

823
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: I had these debilitating side stitches that it only felt

824
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: good to sit around and hang out in the house.

825
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: So that's what I did for fresh air. I read

826
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: books on the deck and took deep nurturing breaths. But

827
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: for the most part, I did almost nothing during my

828
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: pregnancy but read books and clean the house a lot.

829
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: I got to ask, when you were pregnant, did you

830
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: go through another set of asking yourself? Am I going

831
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: to run professionally? Again?

832
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

833
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: I think it's probably natural for a lot of women

834
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 2: to question their careers in the face of starting a family.

835
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: So I did question whether I would start running. But

836
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: I was also encouraged by my husband to not make decisions,

837
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: let it happen organically, and enjoy this time of starting

838
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: a family. And if you feel like you want to

839
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: continue when when Piper's born, then by all means, put

840
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: the shoes on and we'll make it work. But if

841
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: you want to stay at home and raise this child.

842
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 3: And be dedicated. He also supported that I love her name. Yeah,

843
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: Piper Bloom.

844
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought my husband thought of the name, and

845
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: I thought Bloom was because she was going to be

846
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: born in the springtime. She happened to be born during

847
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: a horrific snowstorm and we almost named her Piper Storm

848
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: because of it, which also fits her name a little

849
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 2: better her personality a little better.

850
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: But Piper Bloom it is.

851
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: What's the bloom for?

852
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: Well?

853
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: It is the in Bloom song by Nirvana and the

854
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: first lyrics are sell your kids for food. So I

855
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: hope she's not insecure that if we ever go hungry, she'll.

856
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: Be she'll be soul, So we can put food on

857
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: the table.

858
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you can just tell people.

859
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: Yes, she's born for the Yeah, I promised, Piper.

860
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: If you're listening, I would never sell you for food.

861
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: You're much too valuable.

862
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: So you get back into running and things are going well,

863
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: and there's another Olympic Games right on the corner, so

864
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: what do you do, Dina?

865
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: I started to get excited with the fitness that I

866
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: was gaining and decided to train for a crash course

867
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: in marathoning and entering the US Marathon trials that were

868
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: being held in Houston that year. And I remember it

869
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: being a really tough build up that there was nothing

870
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: that no other time in my life that anything but

871
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: running was competing for my attention. And here I was

872
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: trying to put in the work and knowing that I

873
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: wasn't doing everything like the stretching and the massages and

874
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: the naps and the second runs all the time, So

875
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: there was a lot I was compromising, but I was

876
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: a new mom and I was also invested in feeding

877
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: my daughter and in playing with her, and so it

878
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: was it was just an important time that I didn't

879
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: do so gracefully. And I remember running the Olympic trials tired,

880
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: and by the time the race started to hurt, I

881
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: didn't have it within me to fight for it. I

882
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 2: got sixth places, so I did not make the Olympic team.

883
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: And my first thought when I crossed the finish line

884
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 2: is that I failed as a mom and as an athlete.

885
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: And it was hard.

886
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you're getting a little much about it.

887
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Do you think looking back on it now, do you

888
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: feel that way?

889
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 3: Not at all, Not at all.

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00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: I think, oh, silly, Dina, you were so young and

891
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: naive to think that way. But I did have to.

892
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: I did have to step back and say, like, how do.

893
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: People do this? How do people manage family and careers?

894
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: And as I was, as I was suffering and in

895
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: this place of self pity, I thought, oh, come on,

896
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: people do this all the time, Like get yourself together,

897
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: Like there are very successful women and men out there

898
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: that raise families and run and have lucrative careers, and

899
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: your career and running are the same thing, so shouldn't

900
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: you have it easier? So I just had to have

901
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: this talk with myself, like you got to figure this out.

902
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: And I realized that we can have more than one hat.

903
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: And it felt so great to finally figure out that

904
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Speaker 2: stride of being out there and enjoying running and being

905
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Speaker 2: able to get to get the best out of myself

906
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Speaker 2: while I was running, but also get the best out

907
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Speaker 2: of motherhood when I was with my family.

908
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's something to be said for

909
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: this idea of women getting back into the workforce in

910
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: general after having children. Just it blows my mind to

911
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: think about performing at the same elite level while you're

912
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Speaker 1: missing out on sleep, you're waking up at two am,

913
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Speaker 1: you're running too and from who knows daycare and putting

914
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Speaker 1: food on the table, and all of these new factors

915
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: that you didn't have to deal with when you were

916
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Speaker 1: just you and your.

917
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Speaker 2: Husband, right and leading up to the Olympic trials, it

918
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Speaker 2: was time, my time running. I felt guilty being away

919
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Speaker 2: from Piper because she wasn't an easy child, an easy baby,

920
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Speaker 2: and then and then the times I was with her,

921
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Speaker 2: there was this understanding deep inside me that I wasn't

922
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Speaker 2: doing everything I needed to do to fulfill that running goal.

923
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Speaker 2: So there was guilt on both sides, and so I

924
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Speaker 2: really had to struggle with that for a while before

925
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Speaker 2: finding my stride.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, how did that change?

927
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Speaker 2: It changed just by setting priorities, and that seems so simple,

928
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: But I just set priorities that health and family should

929
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Speaker 2: always come first, and that running in career would come second.

930
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Speaker 2: And I realized very quickly after that that those lines

931
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Speaker 2: often blur a lot, because getting out for a run

932
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Speaker 2: sometimes made me a better mom, allowed me to provide

933
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Speaker 2: for the family, and kept me healthy. So in any case,

934
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Speaker 2: it allowed me to justify what I needed to do

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Speaker 2: in any given moment.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about self love, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like this what you're kind of getting at,

938
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Speaker 1: is this idea of self care. What do you do

939
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: aside from running and spending time with your family that

940
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: you feel like truly gives back to you and who

941
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Speaker 1: you are.

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Speaker 2: I think it's so important to get to a place

943
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Speaker 2: where you can look in the mirror and say, I

944
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: deserve this, I deserve this time, I deserve this food,

945
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: I deserve this glass of wine.

946
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 1: I deserve for drinking wine.

947
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's really important to get to that space,

948
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: and it's it's not always easy, but I think once

949
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Speaker 2: you feel that moment of self acceptance of itself is

950
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: a is such a great gift to give yourself. I

951
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: like to call it strategic joy. Traveling the world a lot.

952
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: We're sitting here in a London hotel room, traveling the

953
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Speaker 2: world a lot.

954
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: It is.

955
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 2: It is hard for me to be away from home

956
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: so much, and I try to make it home he

957
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: or I put a picture of my family up on

958
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: the nightstand, like not just on my cell phone, but

959
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: a real, real picture that sits there. I like to

960
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: go to the grocery store or a florist and get

961
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: a little potted flowers that can sit on the nightstand,

962
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: and when I leave, I give it to the housekeeping

963
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: or the front desk and pass on that love and

964
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Speaker 2: ask them to take.

965
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Speaker 3: Care of it.

966
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: In other ways, when I come in from a run,

967
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: I'll grab some lavender outside or rosemary and shove them

968
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: in my running shoes to freshen them up for the

969
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: next day. And then I feel so happy when I

970
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: put them on next to know that I just put

971
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Speaker 2: that tiny bit of effort in to loving my running shoes.

972
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Speaker 3: So there's all these little ways that.

973
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Speaker 2: You can like strategically add a little bit of joy

974
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: to your life because some of the responsibilities we have

975
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: are a little mundane or maybe not as glamorous as

976
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: we would like them to be, and so it's important

977
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: to spark joy in some way so we can enjoy

978
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: all aspects of who we are.

979
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Speaker 1: Your self care routine is so legit it makes me

980
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: want to establish some new self care practices.

981
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should always be recreating them so that we

982
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: can really feel the giddiness that comes with being kind

983
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 2: to ourselves.

984
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Speaker 1: When do you feel the most yourself? Wow?

985
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: I think I feel the most myself when I'm visiting

986
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: with people I enjoy being around, whether it's weekends like

987
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 2: this where where I'm with like minded people and people

988
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: who challenge me. I love that because so often we're

989
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: part of social media and we're befriended by people who

990
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: think like us and have ideals like us. And I

991
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: really enjoy that aspect of being introduced to and visiting

992
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: with people that might challenge the way that I think

993
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: or try to make me understand and have compassion for

994
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: the way someone else is thinking, I'm also my I

995
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: think I'm maybe at maybe I'm getting to your answer

996
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: as I keep as I keep talking. But maybe I'm

997
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: my most happy when I'm at home after a good

998
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: long run and cooking in the kitchen with my family.

999
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: The intention of putting a great meal on the table,

1000
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: nourishing them with goodness, wholesome, wholesome ingredients well put together,

1001
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: is probably when I'm when I'm a little extra.

1002
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: Giddy, I've got to ask, what do you cook?

1003
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, It depends on what on what the day is.

1004
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: If it's a if it's a cold, a cold night,

1005
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: I might do some filets with this gorgonzola cream sauce

1006
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: on it, or with a side of gorgonzola cheese, yoki

1007
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: and some type of grilled vegetable. If it's going to

1008
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: be a warm summer night, I might throw together some

1009
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: shrimp and mango cilantro spring rolls and serve a nice

1010
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: chilled wine with it.

1011
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it. It just depends on depends

1012
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: on the weather, my mood.

1013
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: You have a lucky family. You don't want to come

1014
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: over to my apartment and start cooking for me.

1015
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: I certainly would do that.

1016
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: We're coming to the end of our time here. So

1017
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: I guess what I want to know is how do

1018
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: you feel now and what do you feel is next

1019
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: for you? Wow?

1020
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: I think that progress is always never ending, and I

1021
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: don't judge progress by what's on my watch.

1022
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 3: I like to challenge myself and I think that's why

1023
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: running has.

1024
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: Become a lifestyle for me as opposed like I guess,

1025
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: aside from being my profession my career, it's also a

1026
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: lifestyle and so just being able to go out and

1027
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: challenge myself on a daily basis has been really important

1028
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: to that. You can feel pride and satisfaction at the

1029
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: end of the day when you know you've given your all.

1030
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 3: To a difficult task.

1031
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: So what's next?

1032
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: I don't have any races next.

1033
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: How does that feel?

1034
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: It feels good. I have a lot of travel coming up.

1035
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: I have going to races for being advocates of the race.

1036
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: I have speaking engagements coming up which will most certainly

1037
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: highlight the power of positivity and performance. But I also

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00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: have teammates in my man the track club that have

1039
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 2: high goals and I was once in their position being

1040
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: impressionable and trying to break onto the national and international scene.

1041
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that by training with them side by side,

1042
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: I can I can give them some of the tools

1043
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 2: to get them there.

1044
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: I love that last question you can offer Dina on

1045
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: the bus head in the towel crying, one piece of advice.

1046
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: What do you.

1047
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: Tell her there's always a stronger side ahead.

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00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: That's really special. I love it awesome, Dina, Thank you

1049
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: so much for sitting down with me.

1050
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: It was fun.

1051
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Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by

1052
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Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

1053
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

1054
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

1055
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1056
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast Dina. Where do they find.

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00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 3: You dinacaster dot com.

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00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: They can they can actually connect with me in the

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00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: comments section and it'll come to my email address and

1060
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: I try to answer everything that comes through.

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Speaker 1: What's your Instagram handle?

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Speaker 2: Instagram is Dina eighty fifty. Does anybody know what that means?

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Speaker 3: Out there?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: It is the elevation that I live, Yeah, I live

1066
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Speaker 2: in the mountains. And then Twitter is at Dina castor.

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Speaker 1: I love that awesome. I'm at Emily a body, Another

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Speaker 1: hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.