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That includes the fastest hour in politics, 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: and coming up we will have the latest on COVID, 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: it's impact on the Biden agenda and what oh Macron 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: could mean for policy going forward. Later, we'll talk with 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: Adam Goodman, partner at Ballard Partners about lessons learned in 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: twenty one that will define and we have the signature 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: panel today. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: with us. First. One piece of business that President Biden 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: had to handle before he left town for New Year's 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: today was to attend a meeting on the COVID response, 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: including members of the National Governors Association. In the mix today, 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: the President telling reporters who were allowed in the room 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: for a couple of moments at the top of that 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: meeting that he is pushing for more access to COVID 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: testing and now I know the lines have gotten very 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: long in some stage. That's why ordered FEEMA to set 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: up pop up sites and places with high demand to 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: shorten a wait. We stood up six news sites in 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: New York City in five days and are more coming 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: for over the counter at home test. As I said 38 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: there there were none when we took office. None Now 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: we have eight on the market, and just three days 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: ago another test was clear. So more are coming later 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: than we needed, but more are coming. And new questions 42 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: today about requiring testing if not full on vaccinations for 43 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: domestic travel, domestic flights, something Dr Anthony Faucci talked about 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: on MSNBC. That is just another one of the requirements 45 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: that I think is reasonable to consider. And I think 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about when you heard me make 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: a comment. You know, there's requirements that you might want 48 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: to get if you want to get into college, where 49 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: you want to go to a university, or you want 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: to work in certain places. When you make vaccination a requirement, 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: that's another incentive to get more people vaccinated. Reasonable to consider, 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: says Dr Faucci, And that is the foundation of our 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: discussion today with Larry Levitt, Executive vice president for health 54 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: policy at Kaiser Family Foundation. Larry, thanks for being here. 55 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: After a weekend of flight cancelations, cancer, broadway shows and concerts. 56 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: You get the sense we're about to see a major 57 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: change in federal policy. Well, uh, there, uh, there are 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: certainly some some needs out there, particularly around testing. Uh, 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, we've got a perfect storm right now and 60 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: holidays and omicron surging across the country and not enough 61 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: tests to go around, whether that's at home tests or 62 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: you know PCR tests that you have to go in 63 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: and get tested in in person. So you know that 64 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: bid administration has announced some new initiatives to increase testing, 65 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: but it's it's frankly coming a little bit late. What 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: do you make of Dr Fauci's comments about at least 67 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: considering vaccine mandates for domestic flights. It was interesting the 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: choice of words he said reasonable to consider, but also 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: made clear that he thought it would simply be another 70 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: incentive for people to get a shot. Would it work? Yeah? 71 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: I mean Dr Dr Fauci is always quite measure in 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: his comments. You know, we we have seen a plateauing 73 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: of vaccinations um. And you know, people out there who 74 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: are not yet vaccinated are mostly not going to do 75 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: it voluntarily. So you know, unless we make it hard 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: for people to kind of live their lives without getting vaccinated, 77 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: we're not going to see a big increase in vaccination. 78 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: And you know, this filmicron wave should make it clear 79 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: that vaccination is the way to protect people from serious illness. 80 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: Uh and frankly, a booster as well is increasingly necessary 81 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: to protect people. Would vaccines make more people safe on 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: planes specifically? Or is it that incentive just to give 83 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: people another reason to get the vaccines? So they can 84 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: go on and live their lives. And I ask you 85 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: that because we recently heard from the CEOs from the 86 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: major airlines here in Washington, and they maintain still and 87 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: say they've got the data to back it up that 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: that commercial airliners are among the safest places to be 89 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: when you're around other people. Yeah. I mean, I'm not 90 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: a scientist, but I think that the science has increasingly 91 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: showed that that planes are are pretty safe. I mean 92 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: somewhat counterintuitive, right, I mean, you're cooped up in a 93 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: in a tin can with a whole bunch of people, 94 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, thirty feet in the air, and that that 95 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the safest place to be with a 96 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: with a virus UH spreading around. But you know, the 97 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: key is ventilation, right, The key is getting the virus 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: out of the air and cleaning the air, and planes 99 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: are are quite good at that. UM. So, I think 100 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: this is more about just making it tough for people 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: to exist un vaccinated uh and and requiring it on 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: planes would be one more way to do that. Obviously, 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: there's also the Biden administrations requirement that employers require vaccination 104 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: or or testing large employers. UM And Nat'll you know, 105 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: that's that'll be before the Supreme Court in January. Vaccine 106 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: mandates to become, you know, a real fighting line in America. 107 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: Will that case be a turning point? Oh? Wait, I 108 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: think it very very well could um. And you know, 109 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: we'd have a huge effect to require large employers, which 110 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: you know where a lot of people work, to be 111 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: vaccinated or test regularly, which would be quite a pain 112 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: for many people. I want to ask you about the 113 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: testing versus vaccine conversation, as we now have a great 114 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: demand for testing, and of course we don't have great supply. 115 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: I was in New York for a couple of days 116 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: last week and looking at lines wrap around the block 117 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: for free testing. There are people going to stores who 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: are finding that, you know what, there's no test to 119 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: buy in many cases. And well, this isn't new. This 120 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: is something the government could have been working on for months, 121 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: if if not over a year by now, Larry, how 122 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: did we get caught so short? Yeah? I mean, you know, 123 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: you look at these testing lines and it's like Soviet breadlines, right, um, 124 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: which you don't expect to see in this country. And 125 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, we've been kind of a day late in 126 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: a dollar short on in many respects in our response 127 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: to the pandemic, and testing is the latest example of that. 128 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: You look at other countries like the UK, you can 129 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: walk into a pharmacy and get a free test, order 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: it online. Germany they cost a euro. Um. Here they're 131 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: expensive twenty four bucks for for a pactive two tests. 132 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: And that's even if you can find them, which you 133 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: generally can't right now. Um And there there are a 134 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: number of steps that the government could have taken to 135 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: to avoid this. One is committing to buying a whole 136 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: bunch of tests. The Biden administration is now committed to 137 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: buying and distributing five of the million tests that could 138 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: have happened months ago, which would have created a market 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: for these tests and made them available to people to 140 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: free for free. Um. And you know, the FDA has 141 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: been slow to approve new tests, so there's just not 142 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: as much competition here there are as there is another countries. 143 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: I just wonder if we took our eye off the 144 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: ball when the vaccines came along. Before that it was 145 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: only testing, and then we stopped talking about at home testing. 146 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: A lot of workplaces got lax about it because you know, 147 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: they had a bunch of employees who were vaccinated. And 148 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: I just wonder that being the prize clearly to be 149 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: vaccinated and boosted, if that drew our attention away from 150 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: another way to actually control the spread. Well, I think 151 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: it did. I mean, it felt vaccines felt like the 152 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: magic bullet, and uh, you know, we we love those 153 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: magical solutions took problems. Yeah, exactly, but sometimes it's a 154 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: little more complicated than that. Uh. You know, there was 155 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: a lot over the summer, uh and into the fall 156 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: after the delta wave, there was a lot of discussion 157 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: that you know, maybe we were done with this, we 158 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: saw our last wave, and then Omicron came along. Um, 159 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: so I think we did. We we did take our 160 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: our fault to some extent and kind of hope that 161 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: vaccines would get us out of this. And you know, frankly, 162 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: it would have been a lot better if we had 163 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: more people vaccinated. How bad would this winter be? All 164 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: that said, if there were no macron, knowing that it 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: was the cold weather season, knowing that this is the 166 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: time of year when we see cases go up, Yeah, 167 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we certainly would have seen a 168 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: surge in cases with with this holiday season in the winter, 169 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: with people spending more time indoors, but we we would 170 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: not have seen the kind of spread we're seeing now 171 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: with a macron um. You know, certainly among vaccinated people, uh, 172 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: they were quite well protected from certainly severe illness and death, 173 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: but also from from getting infected at all. And and 174 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: o macron is really different. I mean, we're seeing so 175 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: many breakthrough cases among people who are vaccinated. Still not 176 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: an increase in hospitalizations, which is which is the fortunate thing. 177 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: But you know, in parts of the country where fewer 178 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: people are vaccinated, the next few weeks could be really rough. Larry, 179 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: you specialize in health policy at Kaiser. I wonder if 180 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: you see the policy going forward being on on a 181 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: on a state level or more of a federal based 182 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: policy With what we're hearing out of the White House 183 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: right now, I think it'll be it'll be a combination 184 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: of both. I mean, the Biden administration realizes they've got 185 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: to take some control over over what's going on. But 186 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the tools for public health are at 187 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: the state level. You know, things like mask mandates or 188 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: vaccine mandates are are much easier to do at the 189 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: state level, uh than at the federal level. And you know, 190 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: We're still a really divided country. Uh. It's it's hard 191 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: to to get everyone together, even even in the face 192 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: of a pandemic. Would you get together with family this 193 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: New Year's weekend? We would? And we are, Uh, you know, 194 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: we're all vaccinated and boosted except for the kids and 195 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: uh and you know, testing ahead of time to keep 196 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: things safer. Larry Levin, Executive vice president for health policy 197 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: at Kaiser Family Foundation. We've learned a lot from this year. 198 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: I hope we can continue learning from you next year. Larry, 199 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: come back and see us in twenty two. That would 200 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: be terrific. And have a have a safe and happy holiday, 201 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: and you, sir. Some tough COVID headlines on the terminal today, 202 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: long before we spoke with Larry. Fauci says domestic travel 203 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: vaccination rules should be considered. Truck drivers, two seafarers quit 204 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: as COVID shutters borders again. Apple closes New York City 205 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: stores two shoppers And did you hear this from France? 206 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: France to send workers home to rain in oh macrons 207 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: spread the government forcing people to work from home as 208 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: I read for most of next month to contain the spread. 209 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: All while President Biden of course says there will be 210 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: no big shutdowns here. Will he be saying that in 211 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: a month? Is the question our airlines next? As we 212 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: just discussed with Larry, All of these come with huge 213 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: political ramifications. What a difference across the ocean. Workers that 214 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: have the option, as I read in France, to stay 215 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: away from the office must do so a minimum of 216 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: three days, if possible four days a week to help 217 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: reduce social contacts. This coming from the Prime Minister today 218 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: after a special cabinet meeting convened by President Emmanuel mt Krong. 219 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: Time to assemble the panel fresh off the holiday weekend. 220 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors Genique Chanzano and Rick Davis are with us. 221 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: I have to say I missed them. The week is 222 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: just too long. We'll dig into all of this coming 223 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: up and check traffic and the markets on the way. 224 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: On the fastest hour in politics, I'm Joe Matthew back 225 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: with you in Washington and this Bloomberg. You're listening to 226 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound on on Bloomberg Radio. It is feeling familiar 227 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,359 Speaker 1: when you hear stories like Apple closing stores two Shoppers 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: in New York City and Golden Sacks mandating boosters as 229 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: it stands by its office return Plant feels like private 230 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: enterprise is still leading the way through COVID as opposed 231 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: to government policy in many cases. So let's assemble the 232 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: panel and discuss where we left off with Larry Levitt. 233 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: We have Rick Engenie for the hour. Bloomberg Politics contributors 234 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: Genie Shenzano and Rick Davis. Hope you both had a 235 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: great holiday weekend, and it's great to be back on 236 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: with you. I wonder, Jennie, if if private enterprise, if 237 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: we could go even further, is making the hard decisions 238 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: that the government won't make. It's in a position where 239 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: it has to. And I hope you had a great holiday, Joe, 240 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: you and your family. Um, it's it's really they have 241 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: really no choice at this point. So in New York City, 242 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: as you know, there is a mandate that's impacting about 243 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: a hundred and eight thousand companies which say when private 244 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: sector employees return, they have to show one vaccination to 245 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: return to work. But you know, outside of that mandate, 246 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: and and build a Blasio leaves office at just a 247 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: few days, he'll be replaced by the incoming new mayor. 248 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: But he put in place this really tough requirement, one 249 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: of the toughest in the world. At this point as 250 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: he leaves office, it's unclear if it's going to remain, 251 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: but it's either going to be the cities and municipalities 252 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: following his lead, or states or the federal government, or 253 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be private sector employees who want to 254 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: keep their employees safe and who take every step they 255 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: can to do that. What are we thinking here, Rick, 256 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: as we see President Biden meeting with the governors talking 257 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: about this today, trying to catch a couple of headlines, 258 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: maybe on a Monday between holidays when people might be 259 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: paying attention. I hope you had a great holiday weekend 260 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: and that you weren't in the throes of all of 261 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: this madness. But you know, families were testing again on 262 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: Saturday morning before they got together. Uh, And it really 263 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: is back to the future field is does the policy 264 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: coming from the White House need to match that or 265 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: is it already? You know I experienced it myself, Joe, 266 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: best to you and Jeannie for the holidays, and I 267 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: had twenty four people over my house on Christmas Eve, 268 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: and I had hoarded enough test kits to test everybody. 269 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: As I sat in their car in front of my house. 270 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: But you had to hoard them, which is the problem here. 271 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: I had to hoard them. It took me three weeks 272 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: to accumulate that many. And and I actually found one 273 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: of the people who were going to come to the 274 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: party had COVID tested positives used up my last extra 275 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: text in my driveway. And so I think I'm just 276 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: a microcosm of what's going on all around the country. 277 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: And I think any day that goes by that the 278 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: White House doesn't do something related to uh A Macron 279 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: or COVID UH is a missed opportunity. So what we 280 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: saw today is a president hopping on a call with governors, 281 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: twenty five of them. I suspect most, if not all 282 00:15:54,240 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: of them were Democrats, and Uhsen was talking was not 283 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: gonna lose his opportunity to get on the phone with 284 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the President United States and UH and I and I think, 285 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, that's just gonna be par for the course. 286 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the Amicron winter, and I think 287 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: we're right back to where the headline every day is 288 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: going to be coronavirus. So let me ask you both 289 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: about the airline domestic airline mandate. That's suddenly back in 290 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: the conversation. I don't know exactly how that got started 291 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: with the line from Anthony Fauci, but if it's something 292 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: he's recommending the president do, I suspected something that could happen, Jeannie. 293 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: Would that be smart politics? You know, the President hasn't 294 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: said yes or no to this, as we've discussed, but 295 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: you have many people in the health care industry and 296 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: and and and doctors and nurses who are saying we 297 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: should do this. You know, if you need a vaccination 298 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: to fly internationally, you should really have one domestically. And 299 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, the President doesn't seem at this point prepared 300 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: to do that, but I think it's something he's going 301 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: to have to think seriously about. And of course, one 302 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: thing back to just the president's conversation today, he rejected 303 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: this report out of Vanity Fair which said that in 304 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: October people had gone to the White House and urged 305 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: the administration to purchase and and get about seven thirty 306 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: two million tests and the White House the President said 307 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: today that that wasn't the case, but that is the report, 308 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: and I think it's one of the things in the 309 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: aftermath of this that people are going to be talking 310 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: about how badly did the White House bungle this when 311 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: it comes to test Because I'm glad Rick was able 312 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: to get them. I will tell you the lines in 313 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: New York and I know where you guys are in 314 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: DC are tremendous to get access to these tests. Amazing 315 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: to see them, you know, grapping around the block. It 316 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: really is. It really does bring me back. Rick. What 317 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: do you think about a VAX card to get on 318 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: an airplane for domestic travel? Is it really different than 319 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: than international travel? Should we should we have some special 320 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: right because we're not coming in from out of the country. 321 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: You can't even go into a restaurant in New York 322 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: or soon DC or Boston. Yeah. No, I mean we're 323 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: really creating H two America's right of vaccinated America that 324 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: can go to restaurants and fly internationally, and unvaccinated America 325 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: who's going to be limited in what their choices are 326 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: just Jiden would get though. Yeah, And I think that 327 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: part of it is is weighing the economic impact. Um, 328 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: you know, the airlines have been on their backs. I 329 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: mean we talk about all these cancelations, but at least 330 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: they had bookings. I mean, like uh, this time in 331 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: those airlines weren't flying, and they were, and it costs 332 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: the US government taxpayer money fifty billion dollars to bail 333 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: them out. Uh, we don't want to see that again, right, 334 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: And so is this the right time to choke off 335 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: the ability for people to fly when we have a 336 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: lot of experts saying, as the airline executives did last 337 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: week before the holidays, airplanes maybe one of the safest 338 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: places there are. So I think I think the thing 339 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm seeing that the CDC is trying very hard not 340 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: to disrupt and create disturbances to people's businesses and their families, 341 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: and so they're reducing quarantine times, They're they're not taking 342 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: these kinds of steps to hurt the economy. And I 343 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: think that's the bouncing act that this administration has to do. 344 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: Rick Davis Genie Chantana with us for the hour here 345 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg sound On. Coming up, we turned to the 346 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: political lessons learned in one beginning with COVID that will 347 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: define a discussion ahead with Adam Goodman, republican strategist partner 348 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: at Ballard Partners here in Washington. Stayed with US son 349 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg We're welcome Adam Goodman, Republican strategists, columnists, 350 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: and partner at Ballard Partners here in the nation's capital, 351 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: the first ever Edward R. Murrow, Senior Fellow at Tufts 352 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: University's Fletcher School. Adam, Welcome back to Bloomberg Radio. Great 353 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: the be bad Joe. As we consider political lessons learned 354 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: in we're going to tick through a couple of them 355 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: and maybe even some mornings for the new year. I 356 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: wonder if there's a chance to learn one more lesson Adam. 357 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: As Dr Anthony Fauci says, it is reasonable to consider 358 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: a vaccine requirement for domestic flights. This is something that 359 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: the White House has been talking about. They had a 360 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: big briefing today, big COVID briefing. Politically speaking, do you 361 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: see that as a good idea? I actually think it 362 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: was a natural idea. I mean, gonder the days of 363 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: confidence that somehow we've got COVID handled and it's going 364 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: to be a time limited phenomenon that America will work 365 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: through and get back to normal. I think now you're 366 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: you're looking at a different approach to COVID. You saw 367 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: that with the President's press conference two weeks ago, where 368 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: I think a year ago he would have talked about 369 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: things that have been read as lockdown be completely avoided 370 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: all that, knowing that that is code for you're in trouble. 371 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: But ically and then you saw, of course the former 372 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: President Trump in that rally with O'Reilly talking about getting 373 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: the booster shot. Both the President and I are vax 374 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: and did you get the booster? Yes? I got it 375 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: to okay, so don't do dot dot dot No, there's 376 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: been an evolution from certainty to kind of rolling with 377 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: the punches. In the Fauci statement about possibly vaccinating passengers 378 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: on airplanes was probably a natural progression in the in 379 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: the discussion, but frankly, I think that the country has 380 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: moved from weariness with COVID to a kind of almost 381 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: resignation that it's here that a lot of people, I 382 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: think are fearful or just accepting that they're going to 383 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: get it at some point and that somehow we're going 384 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: to get through it. I've heard more people than ever 385 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: say that, even over this holiday weekend, people saying, Joe, 386 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're all getting it at some point. Right. 387 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: It goes back to the old riot at like a 388 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: cowboy line from Donald Trump. How does Joe Biden manage 389 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: COVID without imposing mandates. Well, the more you prescribe what 390 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: you can and cannot do in the in the age 391 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: of COVID, the more trouble you find yourself. Then the 392 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: more you project any kind of confidence that somehow we've 393 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: come over the hill and you know the blue sky 394 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: is right is just ahead. UH creates problems you solve. 395 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: You In the early days of this, Joe Cuomo Camelot 396 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: and all those press conferences basically saying We've got this. 397 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: Then you saw the other side of this. You saw 398 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: governors like Governor Whitmer in Michigan and elsewhere, who are 399 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: criticized heavily for trying to what they lot. Saul is 400 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: going overboard to control this. I think right now what 401 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: the president needs to do is keep a very steady 402 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: hand and a very humble hand and moving through COVID, 403 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: which no leader across the planet has handled UH and 404 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: handled well. As we consider lessons from this year that 405 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: could define politics in one of the biggest is inflation 406 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: and actually helped define twenty one in a way that 407 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: this White House, I suspect preferred that it would not. 408 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: We're done with the word transitory here, Adam. So what 409 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: is the new reality when it comes to inflation? Does 410 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: this White House need to learn to live with it? 411 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: They can't learn to live with it because going back 412 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: to the the economy stupid with James Carville, the economy 413 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: right now is being defined more than ever by pricing. 414 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: And you saw the jump in October and inflation the 415 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: biggest in thirty years. In November, the CPI was up seven. 416 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Gas prices are up fifty percent for the year. That's 417 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: the biggest jump in forty one year's food is up. 418 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Americans get it that inflation is a tax increase, and 419 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: so joe Is Congress tries to push bills that many 420 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: Americans don't want. The real bills are coming due for 421 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: what they actually need. Okay, so what does that mean 422 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: for build back better than the for the rest of 423 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: the Biden economic agenda? The problem with go back Better. 424 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: There's some pieces of it I think that are would 425 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: be very popular if communicated directly to the American public. 426 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: The problem is they put it all together. It has 427 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: a huge price tag, and I think frankly, Senator Mansion, 428 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: in my opinion, never intended to vote for that because 429 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: of that, because it was just too much, too soon 430 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: at a time when he saw inflation about to raise 431 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: or rear its ugly head. And Uh, I think what 432 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: the Democrats are going to do, Joe A prediction for 433 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: twenty two. I think they're gonna come off of this, 434 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: build back better as is, and they're gonna push something 435 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: else to try to take its place, to try to 436 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: trim what is I think is going to be a 437 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: very grim mid term. Yeah. There, it's okay. So here 438 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: we are, as we discussed the lessons from twenty one 439 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 1: that will define twenty two, you have carved out the 440 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: greatest threat to democracy in Joe. Election integrity is the 441 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: biggest threat to ypocracy because democracy is all based on 442 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: people having faith and confidence in it, and and it's 443 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: not just a partisan thing. Was back in two thousands 444 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: after the sixteen elections, Uh, Democrats according to a big 445 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: popular poll, Democrats so Hillary Clinton as legitimate winner. Uh. 446 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: And then it was in reverse when more than Republicans 447 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: so Donald Trump as a legitimate winner. If you don't 448 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: have faith in that, everything else starts to unravel and 449 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: it goes back. Frank Betoin experience I had in two 450 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: thousand in Florida when I was in the middle of 451 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: the Florida recount, and the biggest thing I was hoping 452 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: for and trying to push for in my humble way, 453 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: was integrity in the process, because if we knew, if 454 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: we lost that, everything else comes to cropper. So uh, 455 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: and the issue with voting integrity actually weds to something else, academia, 456 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: which is another major piece uh what's ahead for us 457 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: in twenty two that this nation needs to find a 458 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: way to resolve short of which I think we're going 459 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: to be facing much harsher times and consequences than even 460 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: COVID has brought on this nation over the last month. 461 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: Adam Goodman, partner at Ballard Partners, the first Edward R. 462 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: Murrow Senior Fellow at Toughs University's Fletcher School, It's great 463 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: to compare notes with you as ever, Adam, Happy New 464 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: Year and come see us again in twenty two. Looking 465 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: forward to it, Joe, I have a good one. So 466 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: if Adam is right, two will be defined by COVID, okay, 467 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: inflation and voting rights, all against the backdrop of the 468 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: mid terms, and as he says, a lack of integrity 469 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: or lack of confidence in the process. I have to 470 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: admit that sounds a lot like one. You need to 471 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: run this all by the panel coming up, Rick and 472 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: Jeanie will be with us. Noteworthy to see President Biden 473 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: today in his meeting with the governors. That's come up 474 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: a couple of times this hours of video conference to 475 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: be clear, pledging to support state lead efforts to combat 476 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: the current COVID surge, going so far as to say 477 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: there is no federal solution. We'll talk more about it 478 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: with Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis, our 479 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: signature panel today as we clear out the cobwebs between 480 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: holidays on a Monday. I'm glad you're with us on 481 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics, the check markets and traffic. Next, 482 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 483 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The 484 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: big headline today on build back better. The President's a 485 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: while since we've called it soft infrastructure. You know what 486 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Came from Vice President Kamala Harris saying 487 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: the White House is not giving up, not her, not 488 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: The President told face the nation on CBS, the stakes 489 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: are too high, similar to what Cecilia Rouse told us 490 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: Son Bloomberg just moments after the story broke, that it 491 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: would be moving into next year if, as we then 492 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: learned at all. And there are now a lot of 493 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: questions about this plan against the backdrop of COVID. It's 494 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: the beginning of a mid term election year, and after 495 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: listening to Adam Goodman talking about lack of integrity in 496 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: the system, it does make you wonder if we're about 497 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: to replay this whole year all over again, reassembling the panel. 498 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: Rick Davis here, Jeanie Chanzin, Now, I don't mean to 499 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: give you both nightmares before the program is over. As God, 500 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: we would like to move on from all of these 501 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: stories at some point. But I wonder if he's onto 502 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: something with that, Rick, or at least what I'm taking 503 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: from the conversation is that twenty two could really be 504 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: a replay of twenty one, at least when it comes 505 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: to the challenges. Yeah, I think that the ones he 506 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: mentioned obviously art domestic democracy, integrity, voting rights, inflation UH 507 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: and UH and in the COVID are not unique to 508 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: the United States. In fact, I would argue that virtually 509 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: every democracy in the world right now is having those 510 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: three challenges their economy, their health care, and their and 511 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: their democracy. And so I really think this is a 512 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: moment where we have to rely on leadership. Part of 513 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: the reason we have an undermined confidence in our voters 514 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: in democracy is because we told him to be, uh, 515 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: not confident. Our own leaders went out and said, you 516 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: can't trust the vote. And so when we have people 517 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: like that going out and and and even to this day, 518 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: still prosecuting the election, Uh, it's no wonder that then 519 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: the same people going and say, oh my god, the 520 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: voters are really upset with the election. Well, that's because 521 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: you told him to be. So I think that you're 522 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: talking about Donald Trump and and his supporters or does 523 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: this crossover. It depends on what country you're in. Losers 524 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: always appeal, right, I mean, like you know, and so, 525 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: so I think that sure that applies to them even 526 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: to this day. And uh, and yet in virtually every 527 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: country now the standard is, um, don't ever concede. And uh. 528 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: I was just remember standing next to John McCain when 529 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: he conceded his loss to Barack Obama in tight and 530 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: and and talked about how important the transfer power is 531 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: and and and that concession speech was played around the 532 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: world as the as the way for great nations to 533 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: transfer power. And we've got to get back to that 534 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of dialogue when it comes to voting rights. What 535 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: a contrast, Jennie when you hear Rick describe that, Uh, 536 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: this is not going away. We've we heard Donald Trump 537 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: talking about fake ellection results just in the last couple 538 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: of weeks, and as the mid terms get going, I 539 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 1: suspect he's going to get back on the trail as well. 540 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: Many of his supporters who either believe that are like 541 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: to say it publicly. That's right. And you know, I 542 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: think as we think back to the beginning of last 543 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: year or this year January six, then what happened and 544 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: we're learning more and more from the committee and the investigation, 545 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 1: and we're going to continue to learn more as we 546 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 1: move into the first year anniversary of that. It is 547 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: frightening when you think about how close we came. And 548 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: so you know, that committee needs to be allowed to 549 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: do its work so it can tell the American public 550 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: exactly what happened, who funded it, who's responsible, and how 551 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: we can ensure that never happens again. But I would 552 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: also add I think President Biden has been right on 553 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: something he said over and over again from the time 554 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: he ran for office, which is that American democracy needs 555 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: to show it can deliver for its people, and we 556 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: have not been able to show that. And I'm not 557 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: sure he's given us a pathway to do that, but 558 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: he's right in terms of what he's saying. You have 559 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that elections have consequences. If you vote 560 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden to deliver on police reform, voting reform, 561 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: human infrastructure, and all the rest, then the democracy has 562 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: to be responsive to that and has to deliver. And 563 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: whether you're Republican or Democrat, in the modern era, that 564 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: is not happening, and that is a huge challenge because 565 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: people begin to feel elections don't matter because they vote 566 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: and what they vote for doesn't happen because of politics. 567 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: So what happens to voting rights for Democrats in the 568 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: first quarter of the year. I'm assuming that's what you're 569 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: giving them in terms of a timeline, ging, Yeah, And 570 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very hard because even 571 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: if and that's a big even they are able to 572 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: do some kind of you know, reform to the filibuster 573 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: and pass voting rights. Unless it's passed with Republicans support, 574 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: at least some Republican support, it's going to be seen 575 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: as something that Democrats are doing that they have not 576 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 1: done in a bipart is in manner that they are 577 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: doing to maintain their own power base and doesn't serve 578 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: all Americans. And so even and that's a big Even 579 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: if you pass it, it's not going to be seen 580 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: as something widely supported. And I fear when Republicans get 581 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: into office, if they take over in the mid term rafter, 582 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: they will try to push through changes to that. And so, 583 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, either way, it is a big, big challenge 584 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: for American democracy. There's a lot there, Rick Davis. I 585 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: can't imagine that you're going to get let's see here, 586 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: early voting mail in ballots and a national voter I 587 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: d in the same piece of legislation. That's essentially what 588 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Genie is saying would have to be done. Yeah, I mean, 589 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: I think that in order to be able to accomplish 590 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: those things, you need a supermajority in Congress, and they 591 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: don't have it. And and so the reality is, uh, 592 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: the idea that now that Biden President Biden is saying, oh, well, 593 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, h it's okay to bust a filibuster rule 594 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: for voting rights. Well, he wouldn't do it or his 595 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: own reconciliation package, but now he wants to do it 596 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: for voting rights. This is just a page turner, right, 597 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: don't pay any attention to the Build Back Better Plan anymore. 598 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna pivot to voting rights and try and make 599 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: a stand there. Last I heard, the same guy who 600 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: was a problem for Biden administration on on the Build 601 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: Back Better Plan is the same guy who's a problem 602 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: for busting filibus, and that's Joe Mansion. And I think 603 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,959 Speaker 1: if they keep going at these kinds of windmills and 604 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: striking at windmills the way they're doing, they're gonna they're 605 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: gonna really look bad in the course of the mid terms. 606 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, when he was talking about election integrity, Jeanie 607 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: Adam Goodman also pointed out the other big threat that 608 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: he saw, which was intolerance. I think if if if 609 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm repeating the words that he chose intolerance on campus. 610 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: He said it was intolerance in academia. You work at academia, 611 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: Is he right? I think there is a good amount 612 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: of that. And I think that here on campus right 613 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: free speech on campus, you know, and you have you know, 614 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: people invited to speak on campus who are turned away 615 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: and we've seen examples of it on both sides of 616 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: the aisle because of their political beliefs and their ideology. 617 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: That becomes a problem. Do I think that's the biggest problem. No, 618 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't, but I think it's something you hear an 619 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: awful lot about. And I think it's particularly true in 620 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: campuses where you have, um, you know, you have sort 621 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: of a population that is unwilling to be open to, 622 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, sort of other ideas and and that's particularly problematic, 623 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: and it's on both sides of the aisle, and it 624 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: does need to be addressed. Campuses rick are becoming a 625 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: partisan battleground. And maybe that's not new, but if it 626 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: keeps going in this direction, what does it mean for 627 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: politics in the new year. You know, I agree with 628 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: the point you just made, Joe. I mean, I don't 629 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: think campuses have ever been void of a partisan battleground. 630 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: I mean I grew up as a college Republican and 631 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: you know, we had politics at the University of Alabama 632 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: just the same way they're having it today. And we 633 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: argued about free speech, we argued about these same issues. Um, 634 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: you look back in the nineteen fifties where campuses were 635 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: under pressure to try and purge all their professors and 636 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: students who are socialists. I mean, actually to watch campuses 637 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: similar to what Adam was talking about when when he 638 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: said that it could be a battleground. It's it's not 639 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: so much because it's unusual to be a battleground, it's 640 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: what are those issues that being are being fought over? 641 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: And and the fact that democracy is one of those 642 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: things is actually the best way to teach civics is 643 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: to actually have an argument over democracy. And I think 644 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: that's actually a positive. There's a thought though that certain 645 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: opinions are not allowed on on liberal college campuses, which 646 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: I think is the direction that Adam Goodman was going in. 647 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: Is that just just part of the course, or is 648 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: that becoming a problem for you as a conservative? I 649 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: think that it's always been a fight on campus, right, 650 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, conservatives don't go to Berkeley and 651 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: liberals don't go to Alabama like and and so, and 652 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: when they do, there's a fight, and those are healthy fights. 653 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: I mean, like we actually know more about the First 654 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: Amendment and our rights to speech because of the fights 655 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: like that that we would have otherwise known it. And 656 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: because we don't teach civics in high school anymore, we've 657 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: gotta learn it later in life. And these are the 658 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: great ways of doing that is raw political debate. Rick's 659 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: making me feel pretty good here, Jennie. I think we 660 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: only we need to do a broadcast from the campus 661 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: with Genie Schanzano's class um that said, and we just 662 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: saw an election in Virginia that brought schools into the 663 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: conversation to a major degree. When you start going to 664 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: K through twelve, there are political implications and there are 665 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: lines that have been drawn. G Well, I agree with that, 666 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: and and that's what I meant when I was saying 667 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,439 Speaker 1: that I do think the college campus issue of free 668 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: speech is important, but I don't think it's the most 669 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: important issue. I think if we continue to see these 670 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: fights at boards of education, schools close parents frustrated, that's 671 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: where elections are going to be decided. And New Virginia 672 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: rather is a perfect example of that. You saw a 673 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 1: very frustrated population and rightly so, and that all has 674 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: to be addressed, and it's going to be addressed at 675 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: the local level, which is the fascinating part of this. 676 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: And Rick Republicans have seized upon that or will as 677 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: a major theme in this midterm election year. The best 678 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: education systems are controlled by local school boards. As a 679 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: Republican theology always has been, and it's always been the 680 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: battleground for how we get into suburban communities. So here, 681 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: maybe we're all about it. That's right, we are, Rick Davis, 682 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: Jennie Chanzano, will see you back here tomorrow on Bloomberg 683 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew is great to be back 684 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,479 Speaker 1: with you. We'll meet you here this time tomorrow. This 685 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg