1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: This is Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition, presented by Emerald 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: City Athletics. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition, 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: as we are telling the stories of the franchise from 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: people who have been there, done that, and had a 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: front row seat to history. 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 3: Hello, everyone, welcome in. 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: My name is Jen Mueller, and I am alongside two 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: legends who really need no introduction, the legendary Kenny Maine. 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 4: I was waiting for some applause. No applause. 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: We will applause all the way around. Thank you very much, 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: and my broadcast partner, former Seahawks wide receiver Steve Rabel. 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 5: Hello, Jen, get out, I'm don't you get a bad foot, 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 5: don't stand up. 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Okay, was fast, it was good, a little injury, got 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: nicked up. Did get the play as long as you 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: should have. But no, he was a good player and 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: he always plays the straight man. I was the clear 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: out guy, right. No, he made some place. 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: He did make some place. Fun fact about Steve Rabel. 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: When I got the job as sideline reporter and I'm 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 2: telling my parents that I'm actually going to be on 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: the Seahawks sidelines, it was Warren Moon it was Steve Rabel, 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: it was myself. My mom goes, you're gonna work with 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: Warren Moon because Warren was the quarterback I watched growing up. 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: My dad goes, you're. 27 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: Gonna work with Steve Rabel, the wide receiver, like he 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: had some good catch from Georgia Tech. He starts going 29 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: through all your stats, and I'm like, I so you 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: made my dad very happy. 31 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 5: I'm very pleased, and right now you have reason to 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 5: believe it be humble actually, now that I think about. 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: It, speechless, which is bad for a podcast. 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 5: Hey, he's the reason I'm sitting right here now and 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 5: did news for so long because he was the guy 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 5: my sixth year when I got hurt who stepped up 37 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 5: and took the role that I had. We're not here 38 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 5: to talk about us, though. 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, who is leading this conversation. This conversation, 40 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: by the way, we are broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast 41 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: Studio presented by Sony Official Headphones, partner of. 42 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: The Seattle Seahawks. 43 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: For as much fun as we could have talking wide 44 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: receivers with the former wide receiver, we are actually going 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: to talk quarterbacks and running backs, which is a fun topic, 46 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: but kind of a big one. Is there a name 47 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: that you were afraid that you're going to leave out. 48 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 4: Or not talk about enough for sure? Which one do 49 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: you think it is? Well, let's just get it out 50 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: of the way. 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: That way, you don't have that problem. 52 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: Mark Maguire's brother, what was his name? It was really tall, Yeah, 53 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: Dan mcgw McGuire. He's like seven feet tall. 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 6: Too tall. Some guys are too sure he was too tall. 55 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: He was too tall. 56 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 6: Probably had a lot. 57 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: I wish I had that problem. I have never been 58 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 2: accused of being too tall at one point. 59 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: First thing that jumps to my mind, I mean the start, 60 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, Jim Zorn number ten ten to eighty largent 61 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: catching the Yeah from Jim Zorn. And they used to 62 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: have I think they call it like a controlled scramble. 63 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: They have this information, uh you know, running off tackle 64 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: and then they fake that and roll out one way. 65 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: But sometimes he'd roll that way, turn roll back the 66 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: other way, largest run like a post corner out on 67 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: the backside. It was ridiculous, Like Jordan was twenty five 68 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: yards behind the line of scrimmage. Yeah, And it was 69 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: so fun to watch. They were a wild team. It 70 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: was just fun to be in the stands watching that. 71 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 5: In those early years, our whole offense was built off 72 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 5: the sprint draw, and that's what the play was that 73 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 5: you just described, come out, fake the deep hand off 74 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 5: to Sherman Smith, who was going to be one of 75 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 5: my guys that doesn't get enough credit, who ended up 76 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 5: becoming a fabulous coach in this league for so many years. 77 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 5: But he was a terrific running back. When he was drafted, 78 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 5: he and I were the bonus picks in the second 79 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 5: round in nineteen seventy six. Sherman they drafted he was 80 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 5: a quarterback in college, and they drafted him as a 81 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 5: wide receiver and in many actually wasn't a mini camp. 82 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: We had a rookie camp, two day camp in May 83 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 5: after the draft, and they looked at him, took one 84 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 5: look at him, this big stature, you know, guy, you know, 85 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 5: like a tank. Yes, and they said you're our running back, 86 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 5: which was great for me because that made one less 87 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 5: guy I had to worry about to try to, you know, 88 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 5: beat for the position. But that sprint draw, everything then 89 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 5: was built on it. You could hand it off, Sherman 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 5: could cut back the holes across the line of scrimmage 91 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 5: wherever he found an opening peel back with Jimmy. If 92 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 5: you keep the ball, you throw here, you throw underneath. 93 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 5: We would run a drag route. Steve would run the 94 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 5: sixth route or the backside corner route, and all of 95 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 5: those things came off of that single play because Jimmy 96 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 5: could do it, because jim could roll out and throw 97 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 5: on the run. 98 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: Well, and that's what I was just gonna say, Why 99 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: isn't that still something that we see in the league, right? 100 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 5: And we do in some cases. I mean you see 101 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 5: Pat Mahomes. Oh that's step front side, roll back backside, 102 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 5: same thing with Hertz. But you got to have a 103 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 5: quarterback that can do that. You talked about McGuire a 104 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 5: minute ago. Dan McGuire couldn't do that because he was 105 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 5: a big, tall, lanky guy who was a straight drop 106 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 5: back quarterback. And there are those guys who physically just 107 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 5: can't do what those rollout quarterbacks can. 108 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: And there aren't that many of though, doing the classic 109 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: literal throw on the run. Li Jim Warren Moon I 110 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: walked on at Washington before I went to an action 111 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: before I went to and lv I was there for 112 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: five days. So I walked on and I walked off 113 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: I thought I was. 114 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 6: Better they did. 115 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 5: They say hi to you? Were there? 116 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean Coach James pretended to know me 117 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: years later, you know, Like, but no, I thought I 118 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: was better than the freshman, no offense. They were trying 119 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: to convert him from another position, sort of like what 120 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: you just talked about. Yeah, but but Washington had this classic. 121 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 6: Five on the fifth step you throw. 122 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: It was a twelve yard out, and Warren Moon was 123 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: as good as anybody, and I tried to immolate him 124 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: than Zorn because that, to me, that's the best way 125 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: you get away from the mess. No one's going to 126 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: hit you, and you get the ball out quick. But 127 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: Warren would The open was called open at six o'clock. 128 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: The next one was the push and had a name 129 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: for every step. And on the fifth step he's throwing 130 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, short out. But yeah, I mean, heck, we 131 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: just mentioned another good quarterback Warren Moon here. But that 132 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: early time, Sam Atkins was there, Sam, God love him. 133 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: I used to sit by him at a lot of 134 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: the games. I said, just get me a seat at 135 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: the Sam Adkins tables in the press box. Not were 136 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: the cool guys, not down by Urtel and all them, 137 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: But we're up there. Uh. Sam was like a coach, right, 138 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean he really knew and he's was helpful as 139 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: a backup in that in that same respect. 140 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 5: He was he was He was my roommate during all 141 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 5: of the years that we except for the first year. 142 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 5: The first year, Larger and I roomed together on the road, 143 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 5: and and then I just had to get a new 144 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 5: roommate because he snored so so badly. I mean I 145 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 5: would never. 146 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: Get told of the fame. 147 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 5: I would never get a minute's sleep during the during 148 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 5: the night on the road because Largent would would snore. 149 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 5: I mean it sounded literally geese would hit the door 150 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 5: because it sounded like he was calling geese. And anyway, 151 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 5: so the next year, Steve and Jim, of course they 152 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 5: had a fabulous first season together. So they roomed together 153 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 5: and Sam came in and he and I hit it off. 154 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 5: And you were a quarterback, so you know this, whether 155 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 5: it's running backs, wide receivers, quarterbacks, but the guy you 156 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 5: tend to end up working with a lot on the field. 157 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 5: Since I was a backup, Sam was the guy that 158 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 5: actually threw me a lot of passes during practice. So 159 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 5: he and I developed that kind of friendship off the 160 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 5: field as well. We were all great friends. But Sam 161 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 5: was He was a really good quarterback, big guy, big, 162 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 5: bigger now but big guy, strong arm, smart. And when 163 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 5: I left in eighty two to go into broadcasting, Jerry Rome, 164 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 5: I think it was the World Football League was rolling 165 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: around right about then. You probably try out there, yes, yes, 166 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 5: until Jack got fired and then all of them were 167 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 5: taken out. The chance to get into coaching. Sam had 168 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 5: that opportunity, and Jerry Rome loved him. He was our 169 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 5: offensive coordinator and our quarterbacks coach, and he knew as 170 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 5: much as anybody on the team about the offense. Sam did, 171 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 5: but he decided, you know what I want to I 172 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 5: like my family. I want to see them a little 173 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 5: bit more, and so he stayed away from the coaching 174 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 5: until his son got into high school, and then he 175 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 5: coached a little bit of high school. 176 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought up nineteen eighty two a 177 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: consequential year for the Seattle Seahawks. They the original field 178 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: was what people are in the area know its Carol 179 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: on Point Rest Hotel. There is right on the lake. 180 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: And I was only second string at UNLV. I wrecked 181 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: my leg my junior year. Sam King, the kid who 182 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: played ahead of me and led the nation in passing 183 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: passing yards, Jimmy Sandusky in receiving yards. He would later 184 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: be a seahawk. And Sam turned down a deal to 185 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: come up here and try out. He's going to try 186 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 1: something else, And Coach Nap said to Dick Mansburger, the 187 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: player director, Hey, if you like Sam, you'll like his backup. 188 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 6: That was me. 189 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: I come up here and throw, and Steve Largent walks 190 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: out of the building to be my receiver. 191 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 6: Well that's helpful. 192 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: He's kids, though, because how long were you a seahawk? 193 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: Well it was about three weeks there, like you know 194 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: the people throwing in July or whatever. Then we go 195 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: over to Cheeniey where they used to have the camp, 196 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: and day one I failed the physical for my wrecked ankle. 197 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 6: I would have cheated. 198 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: They put me on this machine like like a leg 199 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: lift cyber expeci and I didn't know I was I 200 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: thought it was like a forty I thought it was 201 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: like a bench per. 202 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 6: I was trying hard. 203 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: I would have cheated, gone easy on my good leg, 204 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: hard on my bad leg, but the differential was such 205 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: that they kicked me out. I'm walking out. Jim Zorn, 206 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, gives me a hug. Dave Craig, you know, hey, 207 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: as long as you even go get some beer and 208 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: have the intern bring it back. But that brings in 209 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: Dave Craig in tiny Milton College, which no longer exists, 210 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: and you know, he comes out of nowhere. He's Zorn's 211 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: back up, and there's Adkins. I'm gone, but those three 212 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: stay and Dave what the planted Jim a couple of years, three. 213 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 5: Years of eighty two? 214 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 6: Actually was that year or the year after? 215 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, because eighty two was a year. Eighty two was 216 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 5: the strike year. Yes, okay, so then it was eighty 217 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 5: three when when Dave supplanted ghost knocks exactly. 218 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dave, Dave's in the conversation. He had some 219 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: really really good years, got him their first playoff games 220 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: for a ton of touches. There was a time I 221 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: was just to brag to people that I knew him 222 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: because all time NFL stats they had different quarterback writing 223 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: have changed a few times, but it was Auto Graham, 224 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Dave Craig. That was good for like four years. 225 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 5: You know, Dave played nineteen seasons. 226 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: It was all over I have a hard time believing that, 227 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: Like I know, but man, that is a long time. 228 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 5: He was a backup a number of those spots, but 229 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 5: he played and played well. You know, he was at 230 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 5: Kansas City, he played there. He backed up Joe Montana 231 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 5: Kansas City. Yeah, I remember telling me a story. One 232 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: night before they're getting ready for a game, and Jim 233 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 5: and Dave and Joe Montana roomed together. Does anybody room together, 234 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 5: by the way anymore? Does every player have his own table? Good? Great? 235 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 5: I mean nobody had private rooms in those days. So 236 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: here you are with the Hall of Famer. Thank you. 237 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 5: I know we were lucky. I guess not to be 238 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 5: sleeping intense from a civil war back in those days. 239 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 5: But Dave told me the story that Joe was having 240 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 5: an attack of kidney stone the night before the game, 241 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 5: and he was in just a world of hurt, just 242 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 5: really painful. I've never had him, but I've heard it's 243 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 5: really really painful. And so Dave is, you know, trying 244 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 5: to help in the trainer and all that kind of stuff. 245 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 5: And here here's Dave. You know, the next day they're 246 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 5: playing a game, and I guess Joe was well enough 247 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 5: to play the next day and he took of course 248 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 5: Kansas City to playoffs and and all the rest. But 249 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 5: Dave Craig had had a heck of a career. 250 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 6: He was good for us. 251 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh he was you know, he was that. 252 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: He was that Jim Ratt. If you look up in 253 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 5: the dictionary Jim Ratt picture, it would be Dave Craig. 254 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: Well, that is a name that probably does not get 255 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: mentioned enough. Here's another one I'm gonna throw out before 256 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: getting to some of our more recent big names. Max Strung, Well, 257 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 2: he should be absolutely, but because you don't use fullbacks anymore. 258 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Because I was gonna say, Dan Dornick, how about John L. Williams, 259 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean we had You can go every 260 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: year and there's good you know, it's the National Football League. 261 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: This is gonna be some good players, exactly. And we're 262 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna feel terrible when we do leave somebody out. You 263 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: guys will fill it in. 264 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: Later, That's right, It'll just be like an awkward audio drop. 265 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 5: And those guys were all you know, they're not the 266 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 5: prototypical fullback that you think of today. Today's fullback is 267 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 5: you know, get behind on the push, push, push, and 268 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 5: shove everybody in the end zone, or be a former 269 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 5: defensive lineman who's lined up in the backfield and. 270 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: You're trying to a few times exactly you're. 271 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 5: Trying to kick out on somebody or or you know, 272 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 5: cut the defensive end. Those guys in those days, full 273 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 5: backs were They were good ball carriers. They were great 274 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 5: pass receivers. Oh my god, John L. Williams, uh and 275 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 5: Dan Dornick were as good a receivers as we've ever 276 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 5: had in this franchise coming out of the backfield. Those 277 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 5: guys were terrific. So the one two punch with Kurt 278 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 5: Warner or Chris Warren a running back, we don't talk 279 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 5: enough about those guys, that punch that they had for 280 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 5: for Chuck Knox in those days, and we tend to forget, 281 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 5: you know, Chuck, it was ground Chuck for all of 282 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 5: his time, right he was. That was what he was 283 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 5: known as. When everybody got hurt in the backfield for him, 284 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 5: Kurt Warner, all the rest, everybody was hurt, it wasn't 285 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 5: ground Chuck anymore. And suddenly Steve Largen is catching all 286 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 5: kinds of touchdowns, Dave Craig is throwing him. So Chuck 287 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 5: Knox showed that he could just adapt whatever happened out there. 288 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 5: He found a way to get his guys in a 289 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 5: position to win games. 290 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Kurt Warners just briefly there, Kurt with 291 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: the sea right, Kurt with the and the injury non 292 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: contact that it was so sad because he had such 293 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: a big future still to come. 294 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 5: I remember that it was it was right. I think 295 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 5: it was going to the right side, and and it 296 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 5: was a sweet play to the right. Here was rookie 297 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 5: his second season, first game of his second season, and 298 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 5: I think it was against Cleveland, and he starts to 299 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 5: turn the corner and you saw his leg just sort 300 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 5: of pop up off the ground if you see the 301 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 5: video of it. I saw it, and I was doing 302 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 5: color that at that time. Pete gross play by play, 303 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 5: and so I had a chance to kind of see 304 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 5: the bigger picture. And Pete always, as we do now 305 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 5: you know you've done play by play, you focus on 306 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: the ball where it's going. But I just watched that 307 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 5: leg pop up, and I just thought, oh God, he's 308 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 5: hurt himself. And he didn't get up off the ground. 309 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 5: And I love Kurt and we've were friends for forty years. 310 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 5: But the story about that is and Eventually he got 311 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 5: up and he was helped off the field and he 312 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 5: was done for the year with the knee injury. I 313 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 5: was at Cairo my first year there Cairo in nineteen 314 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 5: eighty two eighty three, and Cairo TV and Radio, and 315 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 5: a photographer for the station was there at the game. 316 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 5: So the TV camera is pushing down toward the player 317 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: down on the field. That was Kurt. Our photographer was 318 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 5: standing over by the rail of the Kingdom eating a 319 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 5: hot dog. The camera was on the ground and the 320 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 5: producer you remember Jack Kuncannon, Yes, Jack. 321 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 6: And Cannon, who was a center on my team at UNLV. 322 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 5: There you go, he was our producer at TV side. 323 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 5: He lost his mind. He was sitting in the control 324 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 5: room at Cairo or in the edit booth catching highlights. 325 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: Maybe the guy hit the button that's rolling on the 326 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: ground now, oh. 327 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 5: My, it was the funniest story I'd ever heard associated 328 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 5: with a guy getting hurt. It was awful. But here 329 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 5: is the photographer over there having a hot dog while 330 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 5: while Jack and Cannon get pictures. Are the franchises lying 331 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 5: on the ground for brow. 332 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: Feed the stuff? Well before the game. 333 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: James pregame meals for sure, that's right. Well, this NFL season, 334 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: feel every play, every hit, every moment. With the Sony 335 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: one thousand and X and five noise Canceling headphones, the 336 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: official headphones of the Seattle Seahawks. With premium noise cancelation, 337 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: you are in the zone, no distractions. 338 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: Just pure football. 339 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: Whether you're in your living room or on the go, 340 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: You'll never miss a beat with Sony headphones un much. 341 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 6: You get paid for that. That's a good read. 342 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 4: Thank you. I love reading efficient boards. Thank you. 343 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: Yes, it's one of my favorite things to do with 344 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: a microphone. 345 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 6: You're making fun of him as a reader. 346 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 5: It also dawns on me that we're not going to 347 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: get very far. I mean, he and I sit here 348 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 5: and start talking, tell these stories, and. 349 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 4: I've got I've got it. I've got it. 350 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 5: You've got to have a lot of time, because I 351 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 5: have all the time in the world. 352 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: Shawn Alexander, Well, that was going. 353 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: Where That's where I was going. 354 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: Next. Okay, what do you remember most about Shawn Alexander? 355 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: I mean I remember a number of touchdowns like that. Yeah, 356 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: I remember him leading the league in touchdowns. 357 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: But what do you. 358 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: Remember most about Sean and what that two thousand and 359 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: five season. 360 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Was one thing I remember most is going to do 361 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: a feature story. And because for a bunch of years 362 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: I did these pretend football stories for NFL Countdown. We 363 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: take a real story and go off the cliff with 364 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: it or just totally make it up. 365 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 6: We had a fakes. 366 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: Yet we better talk about Kim Ilsong. Oh, yeah, the 367 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: most famous Seawk of all. But when the North or 368 00:16:59,320 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: South Korea? 369 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 5: South? 370 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: Okay, So I go to uh interview Sean and I 371 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: can't remember what the subject to it. This might have 372 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: been a little straighter story, more of just a regular feature. 373 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: But he I'm expecting, you know, big star in the NFL, 374 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: and and maybe maybe he's frugal. But we went to 375 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: a place it was I was what am I trying 376 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: to say? He was just he was living like regular people. 377 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: Let's just say that maybe he moved up to a 378 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: mansion later. He has like eleven kids. I was going 379 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: to say, he has it has to be maybe not 380 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: a manchion. 381 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 5: Well, now it has got to be big a compound 382 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 5: because yeah, they got kids and now they I think 383 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 5: there some of them are old enough to be playing yeah, 384 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 5: high school football. 385 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 6: Now he was fun. 386 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I mean, did he have like thirty touchdowns one year 387 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: or some ridiculous thing like he made play Now, it 388 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: certainly helps that we have a pretty good line at 389 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: the time, did. 390 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson, Robbie Tobeck, Chris Gray. 391 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 6: So Sean wasn't that good as Sean. 392 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: Sean was pretty average average running back that excelled. 393 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 6: No, no, I'm blocking for it. 394 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 5: I mean, like, yeah, he had. 395 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: Help, but man, he made places. He had great vision. 396 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: I said that was the number one thing. Get that 397 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: outside play and either cut back or go outside or 398 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: do whatever. But and he seemed like just enjoying it 399 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: the whole time, right. 400 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: He would when you watched him. He never, it seemed, 401 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 5: took a really direct hit. He'd always find a way 402 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: to kind of slither around the hit, get down under 403 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 5: the hit, turn outside and outrun him. Deceptive speed, he'd 404 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 5: outrun DB's to the goal line. And yeah, there he 405 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 5: he had as a running back coming out of Alabama, 406 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 5: and so many of them have been so good for 407 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 5: so long down there. There has to be a little 408 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 5: bit of ego coming out. You have to believe in 409 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 5: yourself and know that you can play. But in the years, 410 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 5: especially since he'd becomes so down to earth and such 411 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 5: a nice guy to just stand and chat with, and 412 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 5: it was I just saw. 413 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 6: The Super Bowl. We talked for fifteen minutes. 414 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's uh he and he's he's very smart guy 415 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: and obviously likes kids. They got a barracks full of them. 416 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 4: They do okay. 417 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: So you go from Shawn Alexander who knew how to 418 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: not take a direct hit, to Marshawn Lynch seeking out 419 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: every single hit. I was working sports start of the year, 420 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: Danny was there. You were there, And I would ask 421 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 2: people as they came through the red carpet. These are 422 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: sports people from all different walks of life. Do you 423 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: have a favorite play in Washington sports that sticks out? 424 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: And the number of guys, including Gary Payton who said 425 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: it was the beast quake run for me, he didn't 426 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: even pick his own highlight. It was like, it has 427 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: to be that. 428 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: I think there were others, and I don't know if 429 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: I can site, I'd have to go back and look 430 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: at the logs, but that one, while amazing because of 431 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: what it did. We got in the playoffs at seven 432 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: and nine for startings right and then have this upset 433 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: win on this script but you know, by the way 434 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: they were tackling the ball, it was a great run, 435 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: but they also you know, I mean they were to. 436 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: Drag this down, that run the edge off of it. 437 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: His run was garbage and he shall be embarrassed for 438 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: what he did that day. My memory of Marshawn who 439 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: wasn't even here. He was a rookie at Buffalo, and 440 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: Willis mcgahey had been there before, and on the way 441 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: out of town he crashed Buffalo like you know what, 442 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: this terrible time. They got a Dave and Busters and 443 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: Applebee's and don't even start on the women. And so 444 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: we took Marshaun Lynch out on the town to go 445 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: to Dave and Busters and apple Bees with some Buffalo women. 446 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 6: And I had never met him. 447 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: He's a rookie right out of cow and he's just 448 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: like he is now a little smaller and a little 449 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: a little more. 450 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 6: Reserved, I guess you'd say. But he was great. 451 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: You could just see he's so quick, he's so smart. 452 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: And I always hated it because it's less about the 453 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: football than the man. 454 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 6: In my opinion. 455 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: I always stood up for him when i'd hear people 456 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: like knocking him for not talking to the media or 457 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: he has tattoos or callowing a thug, all this stupid 458 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: stuff that he's like one of the brightest people. 459 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 6: I know. 460 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: He's charming, he's loving, he's humble. But he just didn't 461 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: he's he's unconventional, so he didn't want to do the 462 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: yes on third down. I ran a forty two trap. 463 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: You know, he just won't go home, watch Netflix and 464 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: hang out with the boys. 465 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 6: Right. 466 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just a different guy, but he's special and 467 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: I love what he did for the team, but to me, 468 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the person stands out way more than the runner. 469 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: Also the fact that he would care about the people 470 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: around him, right, everybody around him. So when he first 471 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: got into town, it's my job to make sure that 472 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: I've got relationships with all these folks. And I would 473 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 2: go over and I generally expect these conversations to last 474 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: about sixty seconds. 475 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 4: You move on, right, you don't want to overstay. You're welcome. 476 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: And he invited the conversation, and he said, are you 477 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: intimidated by me? And I said, well, that's an interesting question. Well, 478 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: you know, we kind of go through this whole thing, 479 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: and he goes, well, some people think that I'm intimidating 480 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: for this and that, and we had an entire twenty 481 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: minute conversation about his schooling and the papers that he 482 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: wrote and all of this, which was awesome. There was 483 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: another time we were playing at Buffalo, but we were 484 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: in Toronto and I had gone out shopping. The Christmas 485 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: party was the following week. I needed a dress for 486 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: the Christmas party. I come back into the lobby. I've 487 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: got these bags with me because I finally figured out 488 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: what I was. 489 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: Going to wear. And He's sitting in the lobby and 490 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: I just kind of. 491 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: Give him the head nod because I don't want anybody 492 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: to like go up to him and start asking for autographs. 493 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 4: And he was like, Oh, come over here, what do 494 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: you got? 495 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 3: And I'm just like, Oh, I just just went shopping 496 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: to me, you. 497 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 4: Know, don't worry about it. 498 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: He goes, no, no, no, show me what you got. So 499 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 3: I am taking out all of. 500 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: The things that I have purchased and Marshawn is sitting 501 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: there like critiquing it and asking, okay, like what do 502 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: we like about this. Meanwhile, people are coming up saying Marshaan, 503 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: can you sign this? And he goes, no, man, I'm 504 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: good I'm not him, and I'm saying, okay, so we 505 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: go through this whole thing. He's great. The one thing 506 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: I could not find was shoes to go with this 507 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: Christmas dress. Okay, So I mentioned that I go into 508 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: the locker room Wednesday the following week. You know, the 509 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: first thing he says to me, did you find a 510 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: pair of shoes to go with your dress? 511 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: Like there were any number of stories where if he 512 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: had the conversation. 513 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: With you, he wasn't going to forget and he was 514 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 2: going to follow up and it might not seem like 515 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: something that mattered to him, But that is Marshawan. 516 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 5: I think the biggest untold story about Marshawn Lynch. And 517 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 5: you know, his football obviously speaks for itself, and we've 518 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 5: seen it and I've called it and had the honor 519 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 5: of calling the beast Quake. And to your point, the 520 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 5: next year or the following year, he had a run 521 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 5: like that against Arizona in Arizona, and my tagline at 522 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 5: the very end after he crossed the goal line was 523 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 5: that made Beastquake look like a walk in the park. 524 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 5: And it was on the sideline almost exactly the same, 525 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 5: except he shoved more people out of the way and 526 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 5: ran over more people. But what he never got credit 527 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 5: for when he was playing, certainly, and what a lot 528 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 5: of people even today until the Sports Star banquet here 529 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 5: recently when he received the Humanitarian Award for all of 530 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 5: the charitable work that he does or kids especially that 531 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: people have no idea absolutely that that part is the 532 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 5: amazing about him. Yeah, he's he's tougher than you know, 533 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 5: boiled al as a football player and tough good teammate 534 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 5: guys on the you know, sidelines, no coaches, Yeah he's 535 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 5: going to give him a hard time, but they know 536 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 5: he's going to give them one hundred percent of everything 537 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 5: he's got on the field. He was just he was 538 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 5: always very good with us, short, sweet, just like he 539 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 5: was with the national media too. But that's just who 540 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 5: he was. 541 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: He think he gave me more time. 542 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 5: Well, I'm sure he did, because you were Kenny Mayde. 543 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: For No, we got each other like people would. I'm 544 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: not bright, it's just the way what like, he didn't 545 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: let a lot of people in, but he was always 546 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: respectful the story he was told, and he just was 547 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: miscast And I don't know why people didn't understand that, 548 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: even some Seattle people taught like like you're letting somebody's 549 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: opinion of him be your opinion because somebody got you know, 550 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: cut short on a postgame interview or whatever the heck 551 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: their problem was. You know, can we talk about one play? 552 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: But everybody brings it up? Super Bowl. We're at the 553 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: one they should have faked to him second down, We've 554 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: still got to time out, bake left roll short side. 555 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: I think you have Baldwin over there, or throw it 556 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: away or run it in, call time out if you 557 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: stand bounds. 558 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 6: That's what I would have done. 559 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 5: What's the old saying about if grandma had something, she'd 560 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 5: have been Grandpa. Yes, if because everybody given I say, 561 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 5: you should have faked it, well, that probably would have 562 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 5: been a better, you know, decision ultimately than what happened. 563 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 5: But I could see why they did what they did. 564 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: You know what I'm it would have been the greatest 565 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: play ever. 566 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 5: Carroll, what an incredible exactly exactly what my my issue 567 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 5: with it was was, I don't think we we had. 568 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 5: I don't I don't like the formation personnel that we had. 569 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 5: I thought, if you're going to have somebody to throw 570 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 5: that pass to put curse or Doug in that slot. 571 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 5: And this is nothing against Locke, but Locke was a 572 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 5: special teams guy, and he didn't run that many contested 573 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 5: pass routes inside. And Curse had already made a fabulous 574 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 5: catch on the sidelines. We know that he's you know, 575 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 5: he can catch. 576 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: Anything Brown or jam Curse pretty hard. 577 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 5: And he right, and he couldn't get off of that 578 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 5: to kind of get across the face of the other 579 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 5: defensive back whose name escapes me now as so much 580 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 5: does these days. But so yeah, I I can certainly 581 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 5: see why there was a lot of other things that 582 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 5: they could have done. And you know, I think Marshawn, 583 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 5: even though he'd probably say, yeah, they should have given 584 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 5: me the ball, you know, he was down there, he knew, 585 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 5: he saw they had like. 586 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 6: Three thousand pounds guaranteed. 587 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 5: On the line of scrimmage. 588 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: It is that we're done talking about the agent, you know, 589 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: the one name that I wanted yet until the next time, 590 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: The one quarterback name that we haven't brought up yet 591 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: that I want to give some love to. 592 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 4: Matt Hasse. 593 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, Matt Russell. 594 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: And we got Genos, We've got all of it. 595 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Well, I mean you guys are going to 596 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: have to get through this quick. 597 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 4: I will give you my run. 598 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: Matt hasselty Chenie Washington training Camp. I was working for 599 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: King five. I was a producer and we had this 600 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: great idea to take Matt hasselback out around Cheenie. 601 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: This was Paul Sylvie kind of spearheaded this. 602 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 4: And test his accuracy. 603 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: So we picked about six things for Matt to do. 604 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: We drove him. 605 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: Around in the King five car and we did everything 606 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: from could he throw a football through the window the 607 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: drive through window at zips Do you remember that? 608 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: Like Zenny, could you make it all the. 609 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: Way through through the car through the window without breaking anything? 610 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 4: He could do that. Everything. We rolled a giant. 611 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 3: Tractor tire down the street, was like, okay, here you go. 612 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 4: Nailed it. 613 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: Had him go at the top where. 614 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: His dorm was, because remember all the guys stayed in dorms, 615 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: so we would go from the top the window in 616 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: his dorm room. We had a target and he hit 617 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: everything perfectly, did not need a second take. 618 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: Was one of the most fun guys to have a 619 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: conversation with. 620 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was awesome. 621 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: He was great for us, got us to the super 622 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: Bowl in Detroit. That was one of the weirder games ever, 623 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: drop some weird call. It was just a weird super 624 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: Bowl period, but got there. No, he was solid leader 625 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: of the team, good thrower, like ran the offense, like 626 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: funny guy, too, very charming. He had a great line 627 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: in one of the kim Ill Zong features, puld him 628 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: to not touch his car before a game. No, he's 629 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: just good dude, good on TV later like nothing bad 630 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: to say about him. 631 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, he Matthew was Obviously when you're a quarterback 632 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 5: in that position, you know, you played the position, so 633 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: you have to be a leader. You got to be 634 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 5: a good technician and throw the ball very accurate, all 635 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 5: those things. Big target. You know, he wasn't going to 636 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 5: run out of the room generally, but he could. He 637 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 5: could get himself out of trouble, slide around in the 638 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 5: in the backfield. I just remember early on he was 639 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 5: he was kind of a headstrong guy. And if you 640 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 5: remember Mike Holmgren, and I know you do, we all do. 641 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 5: Mike wanted things done his way because he learned from 642 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 5: Bill Walsh very very specifically, this is how you play quarterback. 643 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 5: I want that ball not out here, I want it 644 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 5: right here. And this is a guy running full speed 645 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 5: eighteen yards downfield on a crossing route. If you can't 646 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 5: throw that ball right here, then we're going to have 647 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 5: to look for somebody else who can. Well, it's not 648 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 5: like they got into arguments, but I remember Mike telling 649 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 5: me the story. One time we had a tight end 650 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 5: who was a nice guy, special teamer, kind of a backup, 651 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 5: good blocker, not an especially decent pass route runner or 652 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 5: anything as a tight end. And Mike and I were 653 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 5: walking out onto the field at the old Northwest Bible 654 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 5: College where the second facility of the Seahawks out to 655 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 5: the bubble that they had out there to practice. So 656 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 5: it was like, there's a big reason for those Yeah. 657 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: And Al Davis spiden this there. I think he bought apartments, right, 658 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: I think he did. 659 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 5: I think he did. That's why they put the bubble 660 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 5: in its mid November or something. So we're walking out 661 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 5: and I'm talking to him as and I said, you know, 662 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 5: so tell me about such and such, and he says yeah, 663 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 5: he said, you know, Matt came over to him during 664 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 5: practice and he said, I gotta get so and so 665 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 5: I gotta get this guy run and I got to 666 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 5: get him, you know, into the I gotta get him 667 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 5: moving over here. And Mike stopped him and I said, 668 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 5: you're talking about a backup tight end. Relax, he's never 669 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 5: going to run that fast. Just throw him the football. 670 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 5: And that was kind of Mike's attitude with all the 671 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 5: quarterbacks he ever worked with. Just listen to what I 672 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 5: tell you. If you just do what I say, and 673 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 5: Matthew will be the first to tell you that. Eventually 674 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 5: the switch flipped for him and he heard what Mike 675 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 5: was telling him how to do it, not just and 676 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 5: why we're doing it this way, not just throw it there, 677 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 5: but how to and why we're doing it. And that's 678 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 5: what made Mike which I think was a travesty that 679 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 5: he didn't make the Hall of Fame this year, but 680 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 5: what he what made him a great quarterbacks coach, and 681 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 5: he was that for Bill Walsh and also what made 682 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 5: him a terrific head coach. 683 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: Maybe you should put back the curtain on Wyatt's Matthew 684 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: and not Matt because I call him Matt. Most people 685 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: call him Matt. I think it's you and one other 686 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: person that co is Mom. 687 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know you hear things you know in 688 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 5: your business as long as you did it. Jen you 689 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: talk to players every single day, and of course Sundays 690 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 5: after the game. By the way, a little bit of 691 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 5: love here. I don't know that there's anybody better that 692 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 5: on a tough Sunday game, on a loss. 693 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 6: This isn't about her, I know it isn't. 694 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 5: But damn it, I haven't said anything nice about her yet. 695 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say. 696 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 3: Any happens twice a year, so let me just. 697 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 5: That's basket it. But you do such a great job 698 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 5: of that. But I'm talking to the Mike's original offensive 699 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 5: line coach who came with him here from Green Bay 700 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety nine. His name escapes me now. It 701 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 5: was an old, grizzled, old offensive line coach. Has many 702 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 5: good offensive line coaches are old and grizzled. The young guys, 703 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 5: you know, they haven't kind of been there yet. 704 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: The guy you're talking about doesn't like attention. So I 705 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: think it's great that you didn't. 706 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And and we were talking about, you know, 707 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 5: the calls of the line of scrimamage and all that, 708 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 5: and I heard him say yeah, and Matthew does a 709 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 5: nice job in reading the defense. And I said, Matthew, 710 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 5: you call him Matthew, and he said, well, I know 711 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 5: his mom likes and likes to call him Matthew, so 712 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 5: he said, I call him Matthew. So I started calling 713 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 5: him Matthew because I knew his mom did. And for me, 714 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 5: it's stuck. Now. 715 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: You can't do it every time? Could he say that 716 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: to you like only my mom says he did? 717 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 5: He did, And in fact, after one of the games, 718 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 5: we're walking out and this is now at at at Loomenfield, 719 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 5: which was Seahawk Stadium then. 720 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 6: Which was Central and a lot of things, but a 721 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 6: lot of the same place. 722 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 5: We were walking out to the do you ever get 723 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 5: to park down on the. 724 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: Lower level level one player in the middle of thee 725 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: what happens. 726 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 5: Market on Davenee House Drive and just leave it wait 727 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 5: for somebody to come and get it for you. So 728 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 5: we're walking out from the tunnel and we're talking and 729 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 5: it was a nice game. He played a good game. 730 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 5: His dad, Don and I were players at the same time. 731 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: His dad played with the Patriots and the Raiders, I 732 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 5: think one other team. Tight end, big lanky guy. So 733 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 5: we didn't know each other, but we knew by reputation, 734 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 5: name and all that. So Matt said Matthew said, come 735 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 5: on over here. I once you to meet my family, 736 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 5: my folks, And so I walked over with him, and Hi, 737 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 5: don how you doing, Steve. Good to see it, blah 738 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 5: blah blah. Matthew grabs me by the sleeve. He says, Mom, 739 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 5: this is the guy that calls me. And she came 740 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 5: over and gave me a big hug, and she said, 741 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 5: nobody calls him Matthew but me. And she said us 742 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 5: close in the family. But she said, it's just so 743 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 5: fun to hear when you say it. So to this day, 744 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 5: I mean even now. We saw him in tenne See 745 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 5: last season. He came over to the hotel. He lives 746 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 5: there now coaches with his brother in Tennessee. There's a 747 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 5: story for you. You do those two, the two Hasselbag 748 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 5: brothers coaching high school football. But he just could not 749 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 5: be a nicer person and comes from a great family. 750 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 5: And he's got a great family. What's his what was 751 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 5: his daughter's name? She was already intern, Annabelle. She's terrific. 752 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 5: And so you know, good people, terrific quarterback deserves where 753 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 5: he is up in the Ring of honor, certainly deserves 754 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 5: that went in with the same year Mike did uh 755 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 5: and you know I can't say enough good things about him. 756 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: Well you said so many. We got to cut Russell 757 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: Wilson short. 758 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 5: Now, well we can't talk about I guess without talking obviously. 759 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 4: You open the door, go right on. 760 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: So what's funny about it to me, Pete is saying 761 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: there's gonna be open competition here and we'd signed Flynn 762 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: because you had a seven touchdown game or something, And 763 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: yeah he did. He cast in nothing. He had some 764 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: good games. I'm not knocking him, just like sometimes you're 765 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time. So I'm 766 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: sure it's gonna be. You know, who's Russell Wilson. He's 767 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: transferred four times and little guy like say, yeah, sure 768 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: they're going to compete, and they did, and then it 769 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: turned out he was pretty good. He just you know, 770 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: he's been around and I defended him this year. Like 771 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh had a nice run with him. They had 772 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: really looked strong for a while, fell off. 773 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 6: At the end. 774 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: Everybody want to dump it on him. If there's thirty 775 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: two jobs, he's still one of the thirty two in 776 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: maybe top fifteen, and and just continue different game. As 777 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: you get older, you do different things, and maybe he 778 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: does some things better, but man, he just every year 779 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: we're in the playoffs. Every year he scrambled around making 780 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: comebacks and his deep ball. Everybody talks about like leader, 781 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: different guy, but he was true to the guy that 782 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: was different. 783 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 6: Right, It's not a put on. 784 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: That's him and his whole thing about helping the kids 785 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: at children's every Tuesday. I mean, unless he was injured, 786 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, which was pretty rare. But man, he did 787 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: great things for this franchise, got us our super ball 788 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: that have won the next one, and he goes down 789 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: as an all timer. 790 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 5: Right, I remember, without question, without question, I remember the 791 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 5: final preseason game of his rookie year and he got 792 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 5: to start that game, and Warren and I basically said 793 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 5: to each other, how can they how can they not 794 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 5: start this guy? I mean, when you watch what he does, 795 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 5: when you see his ability to avoid, when you see 796 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 5: his ability to move in the pocket and throw the football, 797 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 5: and all the things that he can bring to you today, 798 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 5: it is the blueprint of quarterbacks. It's the Patrick Mahomes. 799 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 5: It's it's all those quarterbacks now who can do that 800 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 5: that extra thing? The drop back quarterbacks are you know, 801 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 5: they're a dying breed because defenses are so good. Now 802 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 5: you have to be able to move back there. And 803 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 5: Russell could do all that later in his career here certainly, 804 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 5: you know, listen, your legs start to betray you a 805 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 5: little bit. That that happens. 806 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 6: That that's called a step that you used to get 807 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 6: you around the corner kind of half a step short. 808 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 5: But he what he never lost. I don't think he 809 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 5: never lost that confidence that he could continue to do that, 810 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 5: sometimes to his own detriment, that he'd end up throwing 811 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 5: an interception when he thought he could get that ball 812 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 5: out on time. But boil boy, when it came to 813 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 5: making plays. I mean, think about the plays he made 814 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 5: in some of the biggest games. 815 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 6: The green Bay comeback, just going to say, the. 816 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 5: Green Bay comeback game, unbelievable. He threw a two point 817 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 5: conversion from the Wilson spun around twice, threw it like 818 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,479 Speaker 5: off his back foot. Now Luke made a great catch 819 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 5: on it. But for crying out loud, how do you 820 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 5: make those plays? 821 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it was he instilled 822 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,479 Speaker 1: this belief, no matter what the score is, we made 823 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot of fourth quarter comebacks. 824 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well, he threw. 825 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 7: The ball to Curse it over time intercepted absolutely, yeah yeah, 826 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 7: and just stayed with it and then threw the ball, 827 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 7: you know, an absolute dart and single coverage, which to 828 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 7: this day Green Bay. 829 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 5: Goes like a I don't think they ran a zero blitz. 830 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 5: I think they just went single coverage and Kurse just 831 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 5: got inside his cornerback on the post and the ball 832 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 5: was perfectly thrown. I told I always tell Zorn if 833 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 5: he'd ever thrown enough of those to me, maybe maybe 834 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 5: out of handed. 835 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: Because and and and they still wanted the run first thing. 836 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: I mean, we have Marshan, but if he had been 837 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 1: allowed to throw as many times as like Breeze sayers, 838 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: you know, he would have five hundred yards every game too. 839 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: You know, but they ran the offense they ran. He 840 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: did what he did, but yeah, spectacular, and he's he's 841 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: got to be at the top. 842 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and he he didn't have to do as much 843 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 5: as he did in later years because that defense was 844 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 5: so good around him. I'm telling you, just ask the 845 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles defense and running games still wins Super Bowl. 846 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 5: And that's what won Super Bowl. 847 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: But I think some people mistook that notion and said 848 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: he's not as good as being carried. 849 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 6: It was just complimentary exactly. 850 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, that's that seems that's the new word 851 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 5: of the era of football. Complimentary football. 852 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 6: I wasn't trying to use it. I thought I just 853 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 6: came up with them. 854 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure we'll let you think, We'll let you 855 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: have that moment. 856 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 2: But it has been really fun to talk to two 857 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 2: legends in their own right. Steve Rabel Kenny Maine mention 858 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: on this episode of Seahawks Stories fiftieth season edition, We'll 859 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 2: see you next time.